pvp-arena

[rich ledge]

Difference between used to have 3 whales in my server to 4 whales

[swift mango]

To main Arena you need to mald campaign, gem claim and CP pad.

Or at least be a whale.

[sleek root]

Now this is a effin whale! You can go whaling now.

[fathom rock]

Shout-out the guy who got c7 cindy scar mihara siren and their gacha skin and quit in less than a year

[sleek root]

He quit?

[fathom rock]

Yes

[swift mango]

Or be like Rosy PvE bricked but Max Arena team.... Not really good in the long run though. I doubt if he could still hold out for CA slot for another 2 years.

[shell hazel]

not necessarily my guy +30 levels but max core everyone 😄

[swift mango]

My gemmer is max core every pilgrim banner but only 8 level above me. He is still not really a whale to me.

Drunk scarlet max core as well.

[fathom rock]

I still have a sync 500 in my global bracket you remind me

[swift mango]

That's a small whale, maybe he still saving his boxes.

My whale 514 now with 2 month younger account... He is still saving his boxes ofc... Because he used to be 80+ level higher than me not 60...

[fathom rock]

Bro save box when he can beat ch34 but just lacking

I'll see how bad me saving cases till next year goes

[tropic summit]

iirc it's the chinese

[swift mango]

Are you still C4 this season?

[fathom rock]

Redtraicer

[swift mango]

He wanted to be called Red Ranger.

[tropic summit]

call me however you please

[shell hazel]

Red Railtracer save me from the chinnits 😄

[fathom rock]

My helm at 14.17 cs I think i need a tad more

[swift mango]

Why are you bricked now? Don't tell me you are synch 621+ and still can't get to CA.

[spare nimbus]

How would u beat this team?

[hollow lagoon]

what in the universe

[hollow lagoon]

rosana i guess

[quick lake]

Soda or Siren stun alternatively

[hollow lagoon]

right

noah taunts, so siren stun could work if not nuff charge speed

but could also out stall and win on burst cycle 2

[onyx scaffold]

Cook me a team with both siren and soda

[quick lake]

[placid bloom]

[quick lake]

swap soda with siren oops

[onyx scaffold]

2.5RL poggy

[shell hazel]

problem is soda and siren are both slow as balls lol

[quick lake]

yeah

[keen vapor]

they're burning money

[placid bloom]

the speed is fixed by double Scar counter and Jackal proc

just casually 20% free gauge

[quick lake]

Expensive

[placid bloom]

problem is

Soda and Mermaid likely not linked

and all 3 center chars die to bugged double Scar counter

[spare nimbus]

Would the stall team look something like this?

[keen vapor]

See what I mean @final wedge ?

[keen vapor]

Uuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhh kinda

[quick lake]

They do "stall" in a sense so yeah. But the iconic stall team is just Nero Moran for now

[spare nimbus]

Ah right i forgot about that team

Nero moran beats that guys defense?

[quick lake]

If you have it well invested, it should

[fathom rock]

Is there 1 thing in pvp that's not bugged ffs

[keen vapor]

Emilia

[fathom rock]

I was gonna say

💳

[keen vapor]

what, I don't get it

[placid bloom]

when they gonna introduce bug that removes CP deficit

[umbral belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-admiral-ackbar-its-a-trap-meme-gif-8125029

[keen vapor]

Hime, how's your shuffle

[shell hazel]

similar question to @oblique gyro how is the shuffle on your end? I added + 2 whales

@tropic summit I would like to beat my new chinnit 3-0 you up for helping?

[onyx scaffold]

@mighty haven summer anis incoming
Day 1 meta was
Dorothy Biscuit Anis Privaty B2. Dorothy is changed so ig we can use Volume or Lud

So far I haven't skipped any banner in CN except Helm banner and she is lb2 already wtf

[keen vapor]

Censored Summer Anis let's go

Where's the cute top

[covert lintel]

Like i thought I had become a punching bag for whalers

[atomic wolf]

are you playing hoi4

[umbral belfry]

looks p good

[shell hazel]

come to my bracket Hime

[umbral belfry]

no you're getting bullied as it is

[signal hull]

Heh.

[limber patrol]

Soon will be 2.5RL
2 RL
2RL
3RL

Not possible to get another 2.5RL without Emilia or Shotguns.

I can't do SBS team it will be 3RL

On the 4th team

[shell hazel]

you can run SG comp even if not fully invested

[shell hazel]

I want Hime to protecc me 🙁

[umbral belfry]

there is nothing I can do

also if you're getting bullied likely i will too

[shell hazel]

you won't get bullied

[scarlet adder]

reminding you, thnaks. I go take a nap

[umbral belfry]

you're right. I'm almost 381 so maybe

[shell hazel]

sure thing still busy working, one more hour or so 🙂

[shell hazel]

Hime help me 3-0 my chinnit whale

Red Railtracer is run away

[umbral belfry]

sir I am at work

[shell hazel]

get back to work (but also help me lol)

[craggy crystal]

any tips to beat this? most of my teams are about 40k lower also

[swift mango]

You two can cooperate and gang up on one guy. Well, if you are on the same server that is.

[swift mango]

Swipe your card still you are 20 levels below the guy then you can 3/3 him.

[lusty gull]

there's a new feature on nikke deck, i hope you will like it

[swift mango]

5rl Cindy+Biscuit

[craggy crystal]

what does that even look like

[quick lake]

Noah SAnis 2RL works too

[shell hazel]

I think I can 3/3 anyway I just need to send the right teams 🙂

[swift mango]

Show me a pic of your CP then. Are there the teams?

[tropic summit]

nope i don't

[shell hazel]

I will send em 🙂

[tropic summit]

looks like blood is already on the job, i'll keep crusadin'

[swift mango]

Nah, you go working Red Ranger.

[shell hazel]

ignore my team 3 I just ran some random shit earlier, I won with t1/t2 scar/noah

they changed t1 to being sg comp (which is biscuit lock weak ofc)

so my thinking was biscuit team for t1, cindy for t2, ??? for t3

given they have a gazillion cores and +30 sync I am sort of surprised the CP is so close lol

[tropic summit]

they're just running CA teams in SParena

how original

[quick lake]

Remove Centi from T1
Remove Noise and THelm from T2,
run proper T3 stall

[shell hazel]

I can try sending it just want to ensure I win at least 2

I also need to see when they sleep so I get some hours at 1 whilst they not paying attention 😄

I imagine they're in asia must be middle of the night there at this point

[quick lake]

should be an easy win, easy teams

[quick lake]

indeed 1am here

[shell hazel]

I have most stuff reasonably invested

[shell hazel]

yeah it should just be a game of smash them down the list every now and then, at least until 401 then I'll see how the cp is

I'll keep em busy 😄

[atomic wolf]

ok thank god

[swift mango]

Since you have no Emi and ASS...

Team 1: Biscuit block or Cindy P5, or both.

You could win with Cindy p5 alone so doesn't waste biscuit.

Team 2:

1- Noise+Noah 2rl, could use XMaiden to burst.

2- Biscuit block B1 and Siren Stun scarlet. This team win without needing 2rl.

Team 3:

Indom/Noah RH or indom 2 buffer Scarlet or Soda stun, all of this could be 2.5 RL if you wanted to gamble.

Soda could prevent Noah from bursting and Scarlet wipe easily at 2.5rl.

The 5rl Biscuit+Cindy tech work here too but we need a biscuit or Cindy to counter SG.

---

So easy way to line this up would be

T1: Biscuit+Cindy
T2: 2rl Noise+Noah+xmaiden
T3: 2.5rl Soda+Trina+Scarlet+Jackal

But there is more options depending on your box.

[primal charm]

How many time between sv 133xx and server 134xx

My bracket have 3 new players who 100 sv older than us

[shell hazel]

my soda would probably tank cp too much let me send the box

[quick lake]

[shell hazel]

she is one of the units I haven't touched

basically working with the top 2 rows here ideally, after SR Anis it gets patchy

up to rumani probably the better invested side of things, 4 OL etc

[rich ledge]

Wow an opening? Why did he change his CP padded team with 900k and and 800k CP to these?

Original

[shell hazel]

their teams so it's just standard 2rl scar/noah cindy and the sg team which is punished by biscuit/defenders

[umbral belfry]

bullying

but hippo is global and I'm NA so

[unique wagon]

@swift mango

We have decided TVesti SSS tier.

LaplaceTr + Emilia/SBS without weakness + Instant Nuke

Good burst gen

[twilit bay]

Would Scarlet/Helm/Trina/Siren/Jackal
work against Noah/Biscuit/Emilia/Helm/RH ?

[ionic rose]

For real?! Vesti SSS tier pvp?

Also how much cp diff is an ol gear lv 0 vs lv 5? Is it a linear increase or is there a huge power boost at lv 5?

[placid bloom]

almost linear

[ionic rose]

[placid bloom]

it mainly makes a diff for co-op because the flat stat is massive at lv40 sync

[ionic rose]

I dont think so, the noah would burst before siren stuns her, any 2RL 108% or higher would avoid siren stun if P1 is burst 2

[umbral belfry]

as God planned it

[twilit bay]

I see, should I just go for 3RL Noah, Cinderella then?

Noah should block Emilia's burst, I think

[shell hazel]

@swift mango I just sent this was only 2 wins though, stall comp not surviving here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlMfhcaWc48

[ionic rose]

Yeah, Emilia has a four second delay so slower Noah is better, u can also swap Cindy with Summer Anis so ur damage isnt fully blocked

[twilit bay]

I'll try it, thank you

[ionic rose]

[unique wagon]

TVesti Preliminary Ratings

Campaign LD: SSS
Campaign HD: SSS
Bossing: S (may increase if there is a good pair)
PvP: SSS

[shell hazel]

why do we think that? she has 2s charge speed just to fire or do anything

how much does she fire off before 2RL?

[umbral belfry]

why does your moran die so quick

[shell hazel]

she died 🙁

[umbral belfry]

[shell hazel]

7/7/10 level 7 tempura cube and SR-15

[umbral belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/gsp-not-impressed-performance-georges-st-pierre-gif-11742508249907042323

[shell hazel]

yeah I dunno either lol, maybe their cindy crit?

[umbral belfry]

maybe

[shell hazel]

I can't improve a lot more on her except the final skills from 7 to 10 but she's got all the important ones

her gear is only OL+2 but I was working on getting that a bit higher, not sure even at +5 that would save her there lol

[hollow lagoon]

lol mine's 0

[unique wagon]

4 shots in 3 seconds

[shell hazel]

so yeah maybe they just crit her down

[unique wagon]

First shot lands at around 2.1s ish

[placid bloom]

not crit, you just died from 1/3rd HP. 1153811 damage

[shell hazel]

[placid bloom]

too much Atk at 30 sync diff for your Def to reduce the damage

[shell hazel]

despite no deficit I suppose that could be possible indeed

after all credit card > * 😄

[placid bloom]

even with lv10 skill 1, losing 70% HP only gives you an extra 245% Def, which takes you from 20k to 70k. But that's nowhere near enough to tank 397 Cindy when your Moran already has almost 75k base Atk at 367

[shell hazel]

2RL is 152F - 3S is 180F, so she'll be firing after 2RL depending how that works

[placid bloom]

same defender base should be higher + she has fat Atk steroid

with full burst multiplier

[unique wagon]

Actually she should land around 200F

land

[shell hazel]

so it's essentially a delayed nuke but I fear she'll be slow

[unique wagon]

Nonono

It deals slightly more than 3 shots of LaplaceTr but finishes faster

LaplaceTr lands after enemy B2 (2 RL)

Vesti's 4th lands before B2

But what makes her good is her burst

Which is SBS/Emilia on drugs

[shell hazel]

problem is she gens no burst gen at all when you need it though?

Emi has amazing burst gen and nuke potential

[unique wagon]

Yeah thats the problem

[shell hazel]

if Vesti doesn't do anything then I don't see how she's really a better emi

[unique wagon]

There is a pro and there is a con

In particular, shes just a better SBS

Unblockable tho

But the units in SS are worse than her

[shell hazel]

we'll have to see because SBS burst gen isn't awful either

[placid bloom]

are we assuming you're reaching 2RL Blanc with her

[unique wagon]

Its possible

[placid bloom]

because there's no way we are unloading 4th shot at 2RL B2 and then doing a full 2s charge again

without a defensive option

[unique wagon]

Is it not

[placid bloom]

and I don't think we are giving her Noah

[placid bloom]

well it's definitely possible to 2RL Blanc with her

[unique wagon]

[placid bloom]

but is it worth the resources

Emi solves that issue by naturally being fast

I can definitely see her getting better over time though

[unique wagon]

Noah is possible

[placid bloom]

as we get more clips and don't have to care as much about overcomitting

[unique wagon]

She counters unprotected Noah btw

Just like LaplaceTr countering Scarlet

This puts Cindy team in danger

Why not just kick out Cindy?

[placid bloom]

well kicking her is an option, she is kind of a resource hog

[unique wagon]

I think TVesti is just a better Cindy

The problem is she gets somewhat countered by Noah who gets to burst

Well same shit

Buffed Emilia will kill TVesti too anyway

There are only 2 counters to TVesti, Blanc/Noah in P4/P5, Blanc/Noah in P1/P2/P3 protected by Biscuit.

Idk how ud make the first one work but second one is quite expensive too.

3s rhythms will mean TVesti's 2nd series will definitely get blocked by a bursting Noah

[shell hazel]

cindy gens very little burst so it's a decent enough comparison I suppose

[unique wagon]

Emilia being longer than 3s cheats this

[shell hazel]

emi not in my brackets anyway too new

[placid bloom]

I'm not 100% sold on the matchup into Nero Moran, true dmg isn't good into 74% dmg reduc and I don't think you burn through Nero with lv10 s2 fast enough

but Cinderella should lose that one too so it's about the same

[unique wagon]

Blanc

Nero dead

Prolly too expensive to run but

[placid bloom]

that drops everyone else to around 34%, Nero will still be 60%

[unique wagon]

I doubt she will survive 3 barrages

TVesti deals 8300% True damage to everyone anyways

Her teammates will die, she cant protect them

I mean Blanc SBS can probably plow through them as well or maybe not but TVesti is just a better SBS

[placid bloom]

I haven't seen Blanc SBS win that matchup

at least not against full invest

[unique wagon]

Then TVesti probably will

SBS is not that good anw

[shell hazel]

waiting until next week to see what to pull for and how good the trio is

I want s.anis as well as xanne but I think they're both a little dated now as well in terms of usage in pvp

[unique wagon]

Blanc SBS is 4500% + 115% ATK

TVesti is 8300% as True DMG

Probably not too different

[unique mountain]

I'm SSS in pvp

[plush silo]

I got a question, if a team is already 2RL, does Quantum cube make any difference or it's better to go with other cubes for stat padding?

[unique wagon]

No

It actually can sometimes

[placid bloom]

use tempering or some other defensive option if you already reached required speed

[unique wagon]

It could be 1 Scarlet BA that makes the difference

[plush silo]

So for a Scarlet Jackal team, quantum could still speed it up by a little bit?

[placid bloom]

the cases where it matters are very few

it might matter for something like a super feedy team like SG, making you under 1.5RL

but you are winning that anyway

unless you are unlucky enough to lose Scar to Ros nuke

[plush silo]

Thanks, sounds like it's very fringe cases where it could make a difference if not reaching breakpoints. I'll probably swap some cubes around then

[unique wagon]

@placid bloom yeah I think TVesti Burst ≈ SBS but one scales better on ATK OL so

Oh wait no 750% AS DISTRIBUTED DAMAGE

Nvm

Yeah TVesti will kill that team

SBS is 900% + 115% ATK
TVesti is 8300% as True DMG

How is that comparable?

Emilia is 2250% + Max Ammo charge damage + continuous basic attack damage

Scarlet is 849% + 115.75% ATK

[unique mountain]

Does true damage bypass noah ?

[placid bloom]

no

[unique mountain]

Lie damage

[unique wagon]

No

[unique mountain]

F tier kit

[placid bloom]

true damage in this game only ignores 1 thing

[unique wagon]

But she can snipe Noah before she bursts

1200% + ELE DMG as True DMG on her before she can B2.

According to Gatrix its enuf to kill her esp if u have idk 110% ELE from cube, OL, and base

If ure wondering u want 2x max ammo, (1x ammo 1x cs if pvp or more ammo for pve), 4x ele, 4x atk

Ok for pvp 17 ammo + bastion is ok

For pve thats brick

[placid bloom]

Idk if you can bastion on her, she kind of needs perfect ammo to not do awkward shit like 2s charge fire once and insta reload

[unique wagon]

Doesnt matter in pvp

Funnily 17 ammo + bastion is pvp ideal minimum
For pve, its 16 ammo + resilience, not 17.

I mean 16 ammo + bastion isnt that bad

Thats 4+4+4+4+3 in PvP

Ideally you want three 4s in FB

But if ur team is 3 RL, she will fire 5 times (4+4+4+4+4)

If ur team is 2 RL she fires 4 times (4+4+4+4)

Actually at 3 RL, she still fires 4 times.

Ok 2x max ammo + bastion is enough

16 ammo is also highly advised for pve

Actually no, just 12

[dusty estuary]

Based on my reading and research and units, I made this team for rookie arena. How did I do? I don't have many notable other units. Red Hood, Cinderella, Anis, Rosanna, SBS, Scarlet, Maid Anchor. and it's a pretty young account so almost nobody has OL gear.

[umbral belfry]

few changes:

• put centi in p5. bisc gives immune to defenders, and centi is one
• burst with bsoda instead of noir. hers is far superior

[worthy sorrel]

@unique wagon ty for the vesti breakdown. really good info 🙏

[dusty estuary]

Excellent. Thank you so much!

[umbral belfry]

but if you're saying you have units such as rh/cindy/scar you should be using them instead. unless I misunderstood and you mean you don't have them?

[dusty estuary]

no I do have them. The units I listed are the only additional ones I have. But nobody's gonna have OL gear for a while

[umbral belfry]

ahh gotcha. well, once you gear them up (or even half way decent) strongly suggest you replace that team with one of those

one of the meta teams are scarlet trina rh x jackal, but just know it can be countered by a 2rl noah

Cinderella is very good too. but as said earlier the team you showed now is doable until then

[dusty estuary]

as soon as this account gets more units and more OL gear, I will definitely mix it up. Thank you again!

[limber rampart]

Need someone help me make 5 team for champion arena

[shell hazel]

@scarlet adder not forgotten sir just doing my dailies and such 🙂

[spare nimbus]

Will first 2 teams win?

[shell hazel]

why are you running a mirror comp?

https://tenor.com/view/aventurine-star-rail-i-love-gambling-roulette-gif-15600735931808948001

[spare nimbus]

Because i usually win them lol

[shell hazel]

[spare nimbus]

Should i replace siren with blanc then?

[shell hazel]

well if you win you win

but then you don't need to ask us if you win that one presumably you ran it before lol

[spare nimbus]

I haven’t gone against this guy before

But I usually win against other people with that same comp

[shell hazel]

well none of us could really tell you much on that lol

I won't comment on how emi does I don't have her

[fathom rock]

@keen vapor @umbral belfry i locked in

[shell hazel]

you cp gap team 3

[spare nimbus]

Should i swap my team 3 to go against his scarlet?

[umbral belfry]

retro ca bound

[shell hazel]

retro CA pt.2

[shell hazel]

the return of the retro

[fathom rock]

We hope the new whale don't beat me up?

Ace Def leaked

[spare nimbus]

I think my scarlet will be able to kill his emi

[shell hazel]

ace has basically the same def I had

@clear folio explain yourself sir

[fathom rock]

This is also the def I'm currently building

Minus the cindy team

[shell hazel]

my start of season shenanigans

booba pointlessly trying to take 1st despite it being the same exact gems 😄

[fathom rock]

Aria actually quit

[shell hazel]

who is Aria?

[fathom rock]

The spender who gatekeeped 4th

[clear folio]

ive had that since.. season 4? great minds think alike

[shell hazel]

hello ace 🙂

it doesn't quite work fully for me I'm dealing with whales 🙁

[spare nimbus]

It is a 21.5% deficit on his scarlet team i should be able to kill her before she bursts. Right?

[shell hazel]

scarlet will be immune for a bit but there is a gap

[clear folio]

lmao , aria just waiting for you, leave me be i want peace!

[shell hazel]

she probably dies in that gap at deficit

[spare nimbus]

Do u think i’ll kill his emi, and stun blanc?

[fathom rock]

You're 100 lvls above me somehow you'll have your peace
Aria actually quit tho

[shell hazel]

when did you start playing ace?

[fathom rock]

This is my new threat

[fathom rock]

2nd anni, otherwise we won't be same bracket

[clear folio]

yes c4 is urs!

[spare nimbus]

Im just worried his rosanna will kill my scarlet before she bursts

[shell hazel]

retro I love ya, but ya not aceross 😄

[clear folio]

lol he doesnt pvp, hes been with me forever xD

[clear folio]

cindy banner give or take xD

[shell hazel]

depends if something dies

[shell hazel]

ok similar here, you been whaling also then (I don't judge you for it mind you)

[clear folio]

F2P trust @umbral belfry

[humble bison]

Did anyone come up with a team for treasure Poli in CA? Lis I figure she should be P1 or even P5 but the current SG team uses and XAnne and Rossana

[fathom rock]

I'll only judge a whale that's in my bracket that actively beat me up

[shell hazel]

I have similar cp to the guy who is +30 sync on me with core maxes lol, he'll eclipse me if he invests

this is my current rookie arena

[worthy sorrel]

bit before bc i started last couple days of rumani and your a handful of server groups ahead of me

[shell hazel]

I am setting a new defence for void every day

[worthy sorrel]

we were pvp bound from the start with rumani first banner

[shell hazel]

I started on cindy banner also but only got Rumani after about 6 months

[clear folio]

oh true but i quit for a week or so, cindy pulled me in lol

[fathom rock]

You're telling me we can be shuffled together next time

[spare nimbus]

Team 2 and 3 lost

[clear folio]

no escaping cup xD

[fathom rock]

I am just an underling on sync how will I get ca

[shell hazel]

can probably just change what teams you're running, on attack your bread and butter would be 2RL scar and 2RL cindy

scar trina RH flex jackal (flex xmaiden or a clip RL like centi)

noise noah cindy helmT rumani

[bold mirage]

im finally elligible to do CA and this channel has helped me make 3 good teams. If i showed roster could I get help with the other 2?

[lunar pawn]

Sure

No from me cus I don't do CA, but someone will help surely

[bold mirage]

oh i see that CA is mainly just for frames.. so CA isnt that much of a deal or?

[spare nimbus]

Ok found a way to 3/3

[spare nimbus]

Thanks for help

[shell hazel]

np 🙂

ohh phase 8 for the first time

[spare nimbus]

What comp do u use?

I use either crown sbs siren asuka mast or
crown sbs siren helm mast

[shell hazel]

crown siren rapi sbs helmt

[spare nimbus]

Either gets p9

[shell hazel]

but my sbs isn't great

also I'm only 368 sync

[urban mulch]

no wasuka?

[shell hazel]

I do not built

7 is enough for the max actual rewards I'll get 9 eventually 🙂

[fathom rock]

Peak mastless wasukaless no alice spam comp

[shell hazel]

your sbs must be pretty strong 😄

my siren does more dps than mine

I try this every level I get but it's not quite there yet I think

[fathom rock]

This is more like 700k range with mmast instead of thelm

That's a lot of dupes

[shell hazel]

m.mast too far behind still

I got down to like 160 bars ish

I'll get it with some more levels I think

[shell hazel]

yeah tbh a lot bought with mileage. I started on cindy banner so MLB her on that. I only pulled 1 rapi so bought 3 more with mileage lol. Same with Siren

my RH / SBS at LB0

[fathom rock]

Crown just pure luck cuz you goated like that

[shell hazel]

honestly I usually get pretty unlucky

my last pilgrim 1% pulls have all been pretty awful

260 for 1 rapi
220 for 0 midhara
100 for 1 siren

but with crown I had a weird streak of her showing up whilst I was doing other pulls, she appeared like 3 times whilst I was getting other things

probably a more useful dupe in a lot of ways than RH but doesn't always feel like it

the rock placement on this boss is random right?

the horn I mean

[fathom rock]

Rng rng rng

It's the boss title, the strat, the weakpoint, it's strengths

[shell hazel]

just appeared on right 5 times in a row 😄

the thing that usually gets me is the lazer one shots rapi near the end, 40 ish secs left to go

[placid bloom]

yeah you have to reset until it spawns the way you want every single time

just pick a side and coinflip heads until the end

[spare nimbus]

My sbs isn’t crazy

[odd crypt]

3rd hasn't logged in for 11 days, sadly. you'll be 4th again soon

as for me, i won't be 1st for long. 4th is even more of a whale than i am and he's desperate to take my place. he levelled up about 20 times last night haha

@wicked horizon nice. another one

[wicked horizon]

Whoms't?

[shell hazel]

any tips on how to not have rapi die here? I recorded my run 😛
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DVJFABmHqw

down to 200 bars left, if rapi was alive I'd probably kill that horn (not sure how much the horn gives for bars)

@fathom rock you are chief malder sir you probably see some ways I can make this run smoother

[iron jungle]

Hi guys, can someone help me form 2-3 teams? 😅

I got some new units and I was curious if it changed my current teams.

I know I'm missing some important units, but I'll take any help... 🙂

[fathom rock]

Manual helm for slightly more burst gen and making sure rrh/cindy don't reload during burst
Rest is all rng, every single bit of it

1 more rrh burst won't break horn

[fathom rock]

Sync up biscuit

What your current def look like and how it holding

[wicked horizon]

Oh, you're "Jealous"?
Well, I can't see your defense teams, but I can tell you that 4th place, for all his whaling, can't build his teams. He may be 80 levels ahead, but I still beat one of his teams. Could've maybe beat the other if he was only 60 ahead. If he hopes to continue winning by brute force alone, it'll be a while before he beats you if you've got a good defense.

[worthy sorrel]

damn @short moon
holding off greenman too easy it seems

[keen vapor]

@sinful nimbus are we on the same PVP bracket?

[short moon]

Nah it took me 2 tries to figure out how to beat his def team

[worthy sorrel]

not easy then, so even more

can he beat your defense?

[short moon]

Yes :< 😞

[shell hazel]

[grand plaza]

Unless I am missing something, isn't Biscuit supposed to counter SBS?

[shell hazel]

2 isn't much, I've seen people defending like 30 times 😄

[grand plaza]

Rapunzel doesn't stun as well

[pseudo arch]

Hello guys I need help doing the 5 ca teams but idk who to fit in them

[shell hazel]

you have lots of cope teams here lol

2RL bay cope
3RL indom rapi cope (might feed to 2.5RL)
3RL cindy cope
3RL SG/sac cope

5th team ??? whatever doesn't really matter at that point 😄

[shell hazel]

rapunzel only stuns if she does her b1 under 30% hp

[grand plaza]

oooh ok, about other question.. Biscuit/SBS still bugged?

[wicked horizon]

They said they fixed it.

[shell hazel]

not like biscuit makes you totally immune to SBS as such

[grand plaza]

How it works then? I thought she was supposed to totally negate her dist damage

[placid bloom]

SBS 3rd slash is not dist dmg, it's single target hit on lowest def

it can be taunted

and it can be played around with endurance cube

to force it to hit someone specific

but it's usually not a threat

the main dmg is 6 slash and 9 slash, and those get blocked by Biscuit tank

[grand plaza]

Whats happening here then

[placid bloom]

when was this

[grand plaza]

Today

[worthy knoll]

You need a taunter, you don't have, the Center of 1st and 3rd Proc is RH, Center of 2nd Proc is Cindy Decoy, you are not preventing anything

[glad meteor]

Scalter s3 trigger kills a unit now as well

[worthy knoll]

Your lowest def in that team is RH, Crown is not functioning as a SBS magnet, you need a Defender Taunter for it to work

[grand plaza]

Isn't 2 and 3 both should be negated, taunt or no taunt?

[vapid lake]

SBS 3rd slash one shotted biscuit because she has lowest def
Now ur defenders no more biscuit protection so sbs murders the rest of ur team

[worthy knoll]

Distributed Damage work like there is a main center, who is the source of element/def in the calculation the share it to the rest of the units, in SBS case its the unit with the lowest def, so your team, it was on RH at the center. The way Biscuit counter SBS is the center is a defender, and Biscuit is making that defender immune. Coz damage of 0 as center shared to the rest will be zero

But in your vid, your lowest def unit is clearly RH, RH being Center, not a defender so Biscuit is useless, and its even an Iron, elem weak to SBS. And not to mention SBS S3 is also bugged atm to deal 2x its expected damage

No wonder you'll die that quick

Now what does taunter do? Taunter forces SBS center of damage to them regardless of their def value

[vapid lake]

Ya u need a defender that taunts at the start of fight, not crown who taunts after 400 bullets

[grand plaza]

I am confused, isn't the fist skill only one that effects lowest def?

Isn't others supposed to base on pos1 since its who SBS attacks?

[worthy knoll]

Nope, as for why I dunno, thats how SU coded it

[vapid lake]

Just put noah there in p1, easiest defender to use

[worthy knoll]

Even you noticed that SBS proc 2 is focusing on Cindy Decoy, its already a known behavior of hers at this point, that if there is Decoy, as long SBS is not taunted, SBS proc 2 is focused on the unit that has decoy

[grand plaza]

Don't have her sadly

[worthy knoll]

Moran Biscuit is fine too

[vapid lake]

Moran?

[worthy knoll]

Or just place any uninvested defender which would have lower def than any of your other units

Place them at P1

[grand plaza]

That I can understand, since her decoy kinda acts like one layer forward. But other doesn't make sense tbh.

It was always like that?

[worthy knoll]

Yes it was always like that

[grand plaza]

Also nope -_-

My best bet is Centi or Rumani probably

Or BayT later on

[worthy knoll]

Her x2 damage on S1 proc 3 is not though, that one is bugged atm

[grand plaza]

Thats S3 actually

[worthy knoll]

That is S1

S3 just buffs her and her S1 req

[grand plaza]

Nah, see how she attacks with S1 to RH right after that

[worthy knoll]

S1 is SBS source of damage

Like how SAnis S2 is her source of damage

Their burst just allows them to proc it quickly

[grand plaza]

Sorry I meant as 3rd proc of her S1

[worthy knoll]

Yeah I said it already 3rd proc of SBS S1

[grand plaza]

Yeah numbers kinda mixed there

[worthy knoll]

#pvp-arena message

I already posted it already before which observed units are getting affected by the double proc bug

[grand plaza]

Thats a lot, damn

[worthy knoll]

There are possible others too

I think Drake and Mpriv are also affected by it, their 5th bullet skill

[vapid lake]

Merry did u ever figure out what caused the mihara sac that one shots an entire team

[grand plaza]

Damn this SBS thing bummed me out lol, my Rumani etc. is not invested at all

[worthy knoll]

That is actually better

Meaning she might be lower def than even RH

Coz uninvested

[grand plaza]

Sadly CP loss too big to negate that positive

[worthy knoll]

And yeah thats a loss then

If you get on penalty if you use her

Then just simply make it SBS to not burst

Use Siren instead of RH

[grand plaza]

Had to use her for first match against Scar

[worthy knoll]

That way it will be indom SBS but HelmT to burst, which will instant kill whoever is the highest atk unit, which is Helm I guess

No Noah for Scar?

[grand plaza]

No Noah for anyone

[worthy knoll]

What is the other team?

[worthy knoll]

Err you don't really need Siren here though

Coz as long you burst with Blanc you already win stun or not

[grand plaza]

Its not that bad actually. 400k to 360k, but 3RL instead of 4RL

I normally use DrakeT instead of Biscut for higher CP but I switched to Biscuit thinking that it can counter SBS -_-

[grand plaza]

Fair, but I couldn't be sure if I can burst faster or not

[worthy knoll]

With Jackal bugged there is no way you won't be quicker

[grand plaza]

Yeah I didn't knew about it as well

[worthy knoll]

Just change Siren to a clip RL that doesn't hamper your Blanc

Well regardless who you put, you just need to ensure

• Retain Jackal at P1 to protect yourself from Siren stun, as B1 is quicker to happen than Siren stun
• Blanc bursts
• Bursting B3 should be the linked unit with the lowest max hp
• Ensure no other units accidentally gets lower hp (avoid unlinked units in P1/P2 unless you are confident in their tankiness)

[grand plaza]

Looks like this works now RH is free

Might be overkill even

[worthy knoll]

Erm retain jackal at P1, or did you already try?

Coz Siren will stun SBS there

Making Alice burst, unless your Alice is lowest Hp and will actually take indom

[grand plaza]

Oh yeah I am not thinking against that team rn, just thinking in general. I can switch jackal against siren if needed

Against that team I either keep Siren or switch to DrakeT tbh, otherwise I lose too much CP

[worthy knoll]

Ahh okay, though if you are thinking as def, its not really good. Jackal bug is only her feed getting more gen, but if opponent doesn't give feed, then the bug doesn't really do anything (e.g against a 5 rocket launcher or sniper mixed team)

[grand plaza]

These are my defense teams right now, haven't updated for a long time tho because as you can see from my remaining nikkes.. not much I can switch

[gritty ridge]

@tropic summit

[grand plaza]

Blanc-SBS at home

[fiery parcel]

It was scar vs rumani 1v1

Is my t1 win luck?

[wise horizon]

Need help with this. couldnt beat it

[tough stone]

Use your second team against their third team

[fiery parcel]

Need to know if it was luck or proper win. I might need attack again

[tropic summit]

do it against a team that is not utter garbage

[gritty ridge]

I literally don't have any in my rookie

Do you know how many p1 cindy teams I see?

[gritty ridge]

Deficit issue here, but its the only decent team I could find

That and they had slower indom

[fiery parcel]

@tropic summit opinion?

[worthy knoll]

I think he meant try it on a Noise Noah SAnis team

[gritty ridge]

Literally impossible for me

Someone else could test it for me but what are the odds someone else has a built bready

[haughty mortar]

If I am going for a PVE team for PVP, what should my P1 nikke be optimally?

How does one "pad" using PVE units when their pvp units are trash

[quartz rover]

IM GONNA DO IT

[haughty mortar]

Who are we doing?

[quartz rover]

crown, skipping r and going sr

[gritty ridge]

Dont

[lone sequoia]

that depends in the cp of the units you have, you can go full cp to make people focus in your other 2 teams, 3 cp gap teams only work if you have a huge advantage, but if you can only get 1 team you will need something like blanc and units with good elements like rh (iron) or units with high normal attack dmg; blanc/biscuit/rh.... more cp units or speed, cp is the main factor
the hardest teams to beat in deficit are stall teams, but those are just pvp teams

[quartz rover]

have you had to wait 2 and a half months for a doll for a nikke

[haughty mortar]

This is for rookie

[gritty ridge]

Yes

Both helm and redhood

[lone sequoia]

same template+your other 3 highest cp units (try to keep your burst chain if you can-b1, b2, b3)

[wet torrent]

Is it really that big of a difference in upgrade mats for dolls?

[quartz rover]

can't relate

[haughty mortar]

Laughs in doll

[quartz rover]

did you do that before getting rh and helm

[gritty ridge]

Yes

[lone sequoia]

??

[gritty ridge]

She was the first doll I gave

[quartz rover]

I dolled my mmast weeks before getting crown and it was a mistake

[haughty mortar]

Absolutely

[wet torrent]

Is it that much better to upgrade a R and tier up versus starting with an SR?

[gritty ridge]

Not a mistake for pve, just for pvp

[haughty mortar]

You are saving TONS of resources

[quartz rover]

you save a lot

but this sr doll is looking at me funny

if I dont get a R mg from the SR i'm going to skip R

[haughty mortar]

You WILL. It's basically guaranteed

[quartz rover]

you say that but I got ALL R sg last sr

[lone sequoia]

full rng, the "optimal" way to lvl up your items is from R to R15 to SR 5...SR15, but if you have luck, you can try from SR0 with blues, i have a friend that always get SR15 doing that, in my case i go from R-R15 but it always take me more than average... bad luck on my side

[quartz rover]

even the purples were sg

[haughty mortar]

The game trynna tell you something

[lone sequoia]

like from SR5 to SR15 biscuit took me like 300 blues, 80 purple and 70 golden

[haughty mortar]

So what is my setup?

[quartz rover]

btw do I level my sdoro doll or sbs doll first

also do I put boots on crown or cindy?

[haughty mortar]

I would say SBS

[quartz rover]

cindy has 4 t9m

crown has 2 ol

[haughty mortar]

Why is that even a question if your Cindy is already decked out?

[quartz rover]

she's not decked out

this is helm

[haughty mortar]

DAFUQ why use non-M?

[quartz rover]

non-M?

oh cause I dont have them

[haughty mortar]

Helm Head and gloves

I see

FARM

[quartz rover]

I am

[haughty mortar]

Trynna get the last 2 Missilis boots but am getting anything but.

[gritty ridge]

The selector? Sg

[quartz rover]

should I try my luck with the blues

[umbral crown]

[haughty mortar]

Give me your mats!

[umbral crown]

In my case SR0 works better but thats just me

[quartz rover]

do your museum missions

[haughty mortar]

I still need to do Ultra for another 3B

[umbral crown]

I did SR0 to SR5 with 20 blue kits

[haughty mortar]

I AM! But my teams for Ultra suck!

[umbral crown]

And Soda from SR0 to SR15 with 70 blue kits

[haughty mortar]

I need PVP help first though!

[quartz rover]

ultra is the hardest one

[umbral crown]

But overall people start with R ten SR

[umbral crown]

Gib

[haughty mortar]

Easier to level, and cheaper

[umbral crown]

I use the Rs to combine for kits

[lone sequoia]

just pick your units with the highest cp and try to get b1 to b3, i don't know the cp of the people in your bracket but it doesn't seem like there is much you can do if you don't want to use pvp teams at the moment

you already have the best unit in the game, you can just fill with others

[quartz rover]

if it makes you feel better this is the best I could do sorter

[lone sequoia]

helm+...

[lone sequoia]

museum?

[quartz rover]

for ultra yeah

[haughty mortar]

I can't coz my PVP units suck. Trynna beat these 3. Rest I can beat.

I even beat this guy! But not those 3 "weaker" ones

[quartz rover]

is this beginner

[haughty mortar]

Beginner?

[lone sequoia]

rookie

[quartz rover]

not spA

[haughty mortar]

Rookie

[quartz rover]

multiply their power by .846, that's the minimum you need to have no deficit

[lone sequoia]

it just synergy, the cp gap means that you put your enemies in penalty, they will have less stats compared to your units, if you can't get more than 15% for the deficit you can't get a cp gap team, in this case you will have to use pvp teams that will be trickier to beat

[quartz rover]

could probably use jackal for recluse and just outspeed them

[lone sequoia]

step 1, read the skills description

[quartz rover]

2 mg + smg

[haughty mortar]

vs MTKenner they are in deficit but I still lose

[lone sequoia]

i think your problem will be siren stun

[quartz rover]

those just look like padded teams

[umbral crown]

Share your units in horizontal mode shorted by power only

[lone sequoia]

he can go with a scarlet/helmT team

[haughty mortar]

They are by power

[lone sequoia]

if they try to use siren you know that they will die faster

jackal/scarlet/trina/helmT/x (cp unit or clip RL)

[haughty mortar]

I will be in DEEP deficit with that team

[lone sequoia]

show the team cp

[haughty mortar]

I am JUST starting to pump up my PVP units

What dolls should I use?

[lone sequoia]

R or SR? depends in how you want to lvl up them

to me R to R15 is the safest

and if you don't have a SR for the weapon you need, you have something that is the same in stats as R15 (only the dmg reduction is the important thing you don't get)

[haughty mortar]

Sorry meant to say cubes

[lone sequoia]

just use the ones at highest lvl, resilience... bastion.. quantum

[crystal flicker]

that RH gone to waste ngl

[lone sequoia]

i would use full tempering but you probably don't have that cube

[quartz rover]

You can probably redhood most of those comps if you get speed

[haughty mortar]

I have all cubes but low level

[lone sequoia]

can you show your 5 highest cp units in a team?

[quartz rover]

Then remove one and add a jackal and show

[haughty mortar]

So what is the suggestion?

[quartz rover]

5 highest cp in a team for pvp

[haughty mortar]

I was also recommended this

[lone sequoia]

just use that

[haughty mortar]

You mean my best 5 nikke?

[quartz rover]

Something tells me jackal gets indom, or blanc

[haughty mortar]

How did that work again?

highest HP?

[quartz rover]

You can determine indom usually cause lowest max hp

[lone sequoia]

lowest hp other than blanc

[haughty mortar]

I see

Should I swap SBS for Jackal then?

[quartz rover]

If you do that jackal will be burst 1 and you will lose out on a big atk buff from redhood b1

[haughty mortar]

Hmmm

[quartz rover]

By the way does helm get linked

Its 2 highest atk nikke along with jackal (this includes atk% ol when match starts)

[haughty mortar]

Helm and SBS are linked

[quartz rover]

What's your 5 highest power nikke in a team

[quartz rover]

Also by the way when youre attacker your snipers will attack position 5 unless taunted

Show them in arena

[quartz rover]

Try swapping crown with jackal

[haughty mortar]

Forgot a cube

It didn't make any CP difference arena vs non-arena. OK swapping Jack for Crown

RH B2

[quartz rover]

Put crown back in and try rapi red hood

[quartz rover]

You aren't in deficit with that vs recluse

I wouldn't attack yet though

[haughty mortar]

When?

[quartz rover]

I'm not sure if crown would be stunned before she could burst or if you'd even want her in p1

Also not sure if you'd win with rh b3, maybe someone else will know

you are substantially faster via feed and just having jackal with helm puts you to 3rl

[covert lintel]

I'm a third rate commander that eunhwa despised

[quartz rover]

3rd rate commander with a fourth rate nikke deck

same dude is #1 in both

[haughty mortar]

I can change crown position

[quartz rover]

the team may work but you'd need input from an actual pvper, im kinda new

[covert lintel]

Beat #1 and become eunhwa lover

[gritty ridge]

Crown, rh, helm, siren, jackal if youre using that team

Do you not have cindy?

Sbs or scarlet would also be better b3

[haughty mortar]

No Cindy nor Noah

[gritty ridge]

No cindy is rough for both pvp and pve

Whats your like top 5 power b3

[dense kindle]

Is 2rl Scar soda the only counter for noise noah cindy team?

[haughty mortar]

Well a bit on the PVE side, not sure on the pvp side. So far, while the electric levels are a pain, I can deal with them.

[gritty ridge]

No

[dense kindle]

What you got

[gritty ridge]

Indom sbs

[haughty mortar]

Imma have to tell you tomorrow

[grim grove]

Question did they just adjust arena because one of the dudes who was on my server who was like 25 to 30 levels ahead of everybody else is completely gone. He was always in first place without ever having to do anything.

[haughty mortar]

But prolly RH RRH SBS among others

[grim grove]

Now I’m in first though lol

[dense kindle]

Perfect so then that leads to my next question which is easier matchup for indom sbs 3rl noah noise cindy team or 2rl Moran Bay team

[gritty ridge]

They just did a reshuffle yes

[quartz rover]

they reorganized spA yeah

[gritty ridge]

Moran bay gets eaten by sbs

[haughty mortar]

Oh and HelmT and Alice

[grim grove]

That makes sense. I was wondering what happened I’m kind of grateful I still don’t like to set up though of switching places with whoever you beat. I think it should be. You just get bumped up one above.

[gritty ridge]

Reshuffle can be be a blessing or a curse

[gritty ridge]

Is your blanc built at all?

[grim grove]

Yeah, I’m sure for him. It was a curse. He literally never had to do anything. It was guaranteed first place every season.

[gritty ridge]

You could lose your whale like you did or you could gain 3 more

My reshuffle took away my only competition in rookie and didnt change my top 10 in spa

[quartz rover]

I lost my whale and got one to replace them (although they're not as strong and can't build teams)

[gritty ridge]

Im gonna take 3rd in spa this season

I want my extra 300 gems

[haughty mortar]

Somewhat

[grim grove]

Yeah, I’m gonna take first now last season. I always came in fourth and fifth with none of my characters for PVP built and I would always fight for second place and get kicked down to fifth because the guy in fifth would always beat me so I said screw this and I gave all of my PVP people overload gearand level 15 cubes

[urban mulch]

level 15 cubes

[quartz rover]

I'm missing so many pvp nikke

[gritty ridge]

Try this only if your jackal has more health than sbs

And also only if the cp doesnt suffer

[gritty ridge]

Why not Miranda

[quartz rover]

who

[grim grove]

Yeah, I made a tactical decision early on to only focus mainly on two cubes when I saw level 15 basically gives you two pieces of overload gear worth of stats

I have been playing for a while though it’s not easy to get level 15 cubes and a good union

[quartz rover]

if only I didnt need to invest in pve

my jackal could be so swole

[gritty ridge]

Just use jackal in pve

[quartz rover]

same with centi

[urban mulch]

real, i could have one level 15 by now but im too lazy to join a tryhard union lmaooo

[grim grove]

I got so tired of getting kicked into fifth by this one dude I decided to go scorched earth on my PVP teams and just make it my main focus because this one guy would piss me off he would literally check PVP like every 30 minutes and spent 100 gems just to kick me down

[quartz rover]

I have to restrain myself and invest in sbs, cindy, sdoro, and crown

atleast i'm suffering from success and have all these pilgrims

[grim grove]

I got lucky with the union a pretty high of level seven union must’ve needed people and they accepted me when I was only level 200 like a year and a half ago

[quartz rover]

my union is top 10%, we don't really want anything but for you to do the 3 tries

[gritty ridge]

I wanna cry

[urban mulch]

my union got 10% once and then everyone dropped off the face of the planet

[grim grove]

I’m actually looking for a union not one of those super crazy ones, but at least someone who could clear the first hard level

[urban mulch]

currently looking as well but just lazy 🥀

[gritty ridge]

My union rn is top 5% and its very chill

[haughty mortar]

No way in Hades does Jack have more health than SBS who is 2x her CP

[quartz rover]

defenders get a lot of hp

you'd be surprised

[grim grove]

You need any new people I’m about to hit 480 probably tomorrow or the day after.

[gritty ridge]

Guess who has more health

[gritty ridge]

You in NA?

[grim grove]

Damit

[quartz rover]

redhood

[gritty ridge]

No

[quartz rover]

dupe, bond

[grim grove]

I thought it was smarter being on global cause I figured that had the most amount of players so I didn’t end up with dead servers yeah that was worried about possible censorship at some point

[urban mulch]

little did you know you actually want dead servers for pvp

[quartz rover]

it's funny to me that my jackal gets more hp from a quantum cube than vigor cube

[grim grove]

Yeah, true apparently mine’s pretty dead after the latest rematching like there’s literally only four people who even show up in recent arena battles for the past two days

Before it had at least eight people a day competing

[urban mulch]

damn wish that was me, i gained 3 extra whales after the reshuffle

[urban mulch]

and one pvp main

[grim grove]

Yep for four you too, including yourself

[quartz rover]

do I even bother trying to get 1? looks like the dragonix guy gets an advantage and stays at 1

[grim grove]

Honestly, as long as you’re in the top three, it’s good enough and if you’re trying to get in championship Arena top four

[quartz rover]

I may just stay at 2 , let them fight for 1

[gritty ridge]

Don't mind the attacks I was testing teams

[quartz rover]

I have bad blood with the aldaria guy cause he's from my rookie after organizing

we've hit eachother 5x several times

[gritty ridge]

I don't attack in rookie

[quartz rover]

I do for the mission

[haughty mortar]

You telling me jack over RH?

[gritty ridge]

Yeah my jackal has more health

[haughty mortar]

How da fuq?

[gritty ridge]

Check the stats, you could be surprised

[haughty mortar]

Aight

[quartz rover]

I think I like mlb tove more than her treasure

[grim grove]

After summer event, I really enjoy her. She makes me crack up. Laughing. Didn’t really care for her before. I never played her original event.

[haughty mortar]

What was her burst line again?

[quartz rover]

idk I dont have voice over

[haughty mortar]

LAWLZ

Something about will and fire

[short moon]

:x i dont think geming is worth it here...

[swift zephyr]

It's about sending a message

[quartz rover]

Stop gemming. Invest in your pvp team to assert dominance

[gritty ridge]

I mean you already started gemming why stop now

[short moon]

😂

[umbral crown]

Try also to improve your defense

After months got some action , also sent a message

[fiery parcel]

Nobody has answered my question yet. Im not sure how i won T1.

I may need to replicate it when attacked later in the day

Need pvp MAs' answer

[swift mango]

Keep at it bro.

[fiery parcel]

@swift mango ? Help? Hahahaha

[swift mango]

Depending on counter RNG and Crit yeah, but your chance to win probably won't be lower than them. But could burst with HelmT and Noise against Scarlet indom

[fiery parcel]

Thanks

[vapid mica]

is this stat good enough for rosanna pvp?

[keen vapor]

Perhaps

[white compass]

How hard do u guys go on ur pvp dolls for the more support / tank characters?

[umbral crown]

It will.work, need more attack but with that you are fine for now

[umbral crown]

I go with defenders then supports, but to start always with your main B3 dps

[white compass]

Past purple lvl5?

[umbral crown]

Yeah

Lv15 is the goal

[shell hazel]

I've still been 1st most of the time, at this rate I will be at season end still

if I lose it I can take it back twice per day, just have to time it so I don't invite a gemming war

it's cute that they think this team might be losing due to scarlet stun (it's not)

[cyan scroll]

i obtained jackal i might be pvp viable again next season

[tribal nebula]

Hello everyone, I'm struggling to keep a fixed place in the Arena SP ranking (currently first but my ranking is more between 6th and 3rd place in fact) and I needed advice to make three more stable teams in defense. (even if I know that no team in defense can resist any of all the possible attacks because of the Rock Paper Scissors system) I specify that I can invest more in certain Nikke if necessary. Thanks again for your help 🙏

[hollow lagoon]

Any reason u using scarlet indom over scarlet Trina

[scarlet adder]

yay

[hollow lagoon]

Lel nice

[cunning solstice]

Guys can You please help me update my Special arena team,i have every nikke except K and Arcarna

1st team: scarlet team
2nd team: snow white team
3rd team: S anis or SBScarlet team

[hollow lagoon]

Any reason you are using scarlet indom over scarlet Trina, is noise burst Sanis necessary over a damage buffer? Quiry don’t provide value in 5 th slot in that stall unless u get to burst cycle 2

[swift mango]

Well, it's not a good sign in the long run, your level up speed certainly needs to catch up now.

Have you clear up to ch27 hard at least?

[pseudo arch]

thoughts?

[shell hazel]

was snow white ever in the pvp team meta? 😄

I should think that team is just the begging to die team given how slow she is

[cunning solstice]

I used her before. Any team you can recommend? Scarlet team, s. Anis or sbscarlet and any for the 3rd team

Wait cinderella, sorry brain fart

[shell hazel]

outside of scarlet/cindy there aren't really great teams beyond stall comp (high invest) or SBS/SAnis etc

any defence can be beaten at equal power

[cunning solstice]

So what team best for scarlet and cinderella now?

[shell hazel]

can't post them atm am at work sure someone can, or they're in the pins

[swift mango]

Before Noise was nerfed I guess.

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https://www.reddit.com/r/NikkeMobile/comments/1mqm9ce/commanders_i_say_this_with_a_heavy_heart/

Just saw that the biggest whale in NA died today. (Not Keripo)

Another hole in SU revenue. I guess.

[shell hazel]

damn I can't even open the reddit anymore without being on a vpn (thanks UK government)

who was it?

[swift mango]

This dude not only max his account even gift skin and pulls to help others max their pilgrim.

Biggest whale in NA indeed

He literally died, not quitting.

[eager mountain]

died?

[swift mango]

Yeah, so a loss in revenue for SU forever.

[dim sapphire]

What if he just quit and made us think he died?

[summer copper]

doesn't even show the last login date

[pliant smelt]

hi guys can I ask is there any recommended team for special arena?

[raven plover]

[crystal flicker]

Nikke conspiracy theory

[crystal flicker]

It's more about Scarlet Trina, then Emi should have 25% CS to reach 3x2RL, and stall with La+ perform better

[crystal flicker]

1. CS check
2. Bay P1 is a lost cause, it's better no using Bay at all at that point lol
3. CS check
4. If Scarlet ammo >32 or >60% she'll get stunned by Siren
5. Rapunzel doll, she often became a comeback MvP when both your DPS died from Nuke

[shell hazel]

damn server 004 bro was there from the start

[crystal flicker]

T3 auto, though Cindy comp can use regular Anis if CP isn't the issue

[pliant smelt]

okok thanks a lot!

[tribal nebula]

so if I understand correctly I should use the following teams:
Team 1 : Trina Scarlet Rumani Centi Jackal
Team 2: Noise Noah Sanis Biscuit and ? (not Emilia even if she is my most powerful nikke? an idea for another team or it's not worth it?)
Team 3 : Neron Moran Helm+ Rapu LaPlace+

[crystal flicker]

Tbh you could run Scarlet 2RL, Emi Blanc 2RL, and 2.5RL Stall

[crystal flicker]

3x2rl

[tribal nebula]

Anis won't penalize me too much on the cps? Should I invest more in her? (I know she's useful for burst gen)

despite everything, thanks again for the advice, I will try these Teams and see what it gives. 😉

[shell hazel]

if you have CS on Emilia you could take Anis out for someone else and keep 2RL

I invested my anis a little but she's not exactly a priority either, mainly for CA

i.e. this but you need good CS on emi

dunno how much you need for 25% her skills add some I think

[tribal nebula]

I'm going to sound stupid, but what is it short for? Charge Speed? It must be 25% on the equipment bonus, right?

[shell hazel]

no that is basically impossible anyway

and yes it's Charge Speed

but she needs a certain number on gear + the rest I think you get from her skills

[vapid mica]

is there any way i can improve my current defense squad? i keep getting attack

[tribal nebula]

anyway it's at 5%... 25% on equipment seems tight to have

[shell hazel]

yeah that is basically 4 black lines lol

that isn't realistic, she must get some from skills and then you need probably 15% or more on gear maybe

but you could check somewhere what is required, just that the extra CS lets you run LapT instead of Anis which is both better damage/cp and a better longer term investment for SPA anyway

[tribal nebula]

Thx again EnricheHippos 😉

[shell hazel]

no worries 🙂

check what Emi skill 1 adds, that's where it's giving you some

then you can add to gear but I suspect 15% ish on gear would be 25% on the deck builder

it's 2.5RL at 16% CS

sometimes indom at weird RL timings can work better, depends what your opponent does/knows

don't need quantum on rapu dunno why it's kept that lol

[tribal nebula]

all of emilia's skills are at 10 and my Laplace has about 12% cs (maybe not enough to replace anis)

[shell hazel]

LapT CS doesn't really change your speed here

all the speed from 2.5RL to 2RL is coming from Emi

[tribal nebula]

ok i need to invest in emilia's gear then

Time to pray 😉

[shell hazel]

@glad meteor do you know if nikke.work site accounts for Emi skill in CS calc?

[glad meteor]

I think so

[tribal nebula]

Erf no more blue gem, only 9.5% CS now on 2 gears, i will try later

[glad meteor]

S1 10

[shell hazel]

the reason I ask is because these disagree

how much CS do you need on emi for 25% in the deck?

[glad meteor]

If I remember correctly looking at emi at 0 cs. And putting it next to normal rl with 0 cs. Can see emi hits earlier in the nikke work calc

[shut goblet]

Can anyone give me 3 pvp team ?

[shell hazel]

is nikke deck wrong?

even with 4 black line CS and adjutant we're not 2RL, not even close really

at 2RL we're 88.28 charge

nikke deck thinks it's 100.69

[glad meteor]

Maybe because of flight time. Hard to get 3 shots at 2rl

[whole pawn]

@crystal flicker @swift mango could u please help this gentleman

[glad meteor]

Its just waiting for emi third hit to burst gen

[quick lake]

in horizontal mode showing all nikkes

[whole pawn]

hi rheax

[glad meteor]

Also delay between shots

[umbral crown]

No yet

[shut goblet]

Wait

[quick lake]

T2, better not to use Bay and RH
T3, (everybody’s) weakest team, welps
T4, Soda in P2

[shut goblet]

I use mobile phone

[quick lake]

top right, settings display horizontal mode. We cant recc without seeing ur full roster. Otherwise, can check pins for generic team builds

[glad meteor]

26 x 3= 78
OL x 3 shots
13.01 x 2= 26.02
S1 x 2 shots

104%

104% faster cs wise (not frame wise so not accurate) but I think I that the delay between shots makes it so the third hit is later than 2RL.

I would expect nikke work to be more accurate since it uses frames. But I haven’t seen emi 25/26. Hoboman can prob provide vids

[quick lake]

Scar laplace Trina xmaiden Jackal
Noah Noise Centi Cindy THelm
Blanc RH Biscuit Rouge Noir

Noise to 4/4/7
Trina to 4/7/4
Biscuit to 4/4/4

[shell hazel]

interesting, hopefully we can clear it up! 🙂
@lusty gull your burst gen numbers disagree for the Emi comp linked above with nikke.work, deck says 2RL but work says not quite. Something is wrong somewhere

[shut goblet]

I think I don't have scar

[lusty gull]

close enough to be considered as 2rl

[shut goblet]

Scarlet?

[quick lake]

Yes, OG scarlet

[shut goblet]

Cindy is the one I have not found

[wind kelp]

Doubt i'll reach anything above 6. The top 3 are impossible to crack, and even the 4th would require serious effort.

Which is fine, it's a round of "no stress get free gemmies" kind of pvp, especially as even rookie arena i went from constant 1 to maybe 12.

[odd crypt]

three* whales in our bracket have quit this year. people are slowly moving on

which is good

[shut goblet]

Who is cindy

[quick lake]

Cinderella

[wind kelp]

Yeah the problem is that it doesn't matter if they have suped up teams and just sit on 1-3. They'll get the top spots for eternity :p

[shut goblet]

Thank you I comeback after long time that's why still not good with the names

[odd crypt]

i've just gone and maxed out 2B & A2 so i won't quit anytime soon, but i'm not going to waste money on pvp after the last guy quit

[wind kelp]

This is why pvp should have a "fight to place" or "enter spa to start fighting" kind of thing.

[quick lake]

No worries
If u’ve left for a long while, dont worry too much about pvp. Enjoy campaign and story

[odd crypt]

it's pay 2 win and there's no denying that tbh

[shell hazel]

burst gen figures disagree on both though, these are absolutes normally.

[shut goblet]

It's just that I only got 300 gems from pvp lol because I don't know good team and can't beat players

[shell hazel]

if 2RL burst gen is not 100% then it's not 2RL

you can be like 95% 2RL and be close to it sure, but not typically with RL, so it's team dependant

[quick lake]

Can use the teams I sent u as attack team if need be

[odd crypt]

the Chinese probably Taiwanese guy who hasn't logged in for almost 2 weeks was my rival since last year. we didn't get along at first but we started to leave each other alone in rookie. it's sad that he quit but it's probably for the best. gacha is predatory and being addicted to signing in everyday like a chore & wasting money just to maintain 1st place is serious mental illness

obviousy i say that about myself too. i've spent over £1000 so far on nikke, and for what

pixels on a screen. one day nikke will go offline for good

[quick lake]

just chill in pvp. Not worth being toxic

[shell hazel]

I get 2 tries per day without gemming, I used one, I won't use the other until later, not like checking it every 5 mins will help me here 😄

[shut goblet]

Can you help me one more time ! Who should I remove from this slot ?

[shell hazel]

bro keeps trying to take spot 1 but can't hold it long enough to matter = pointless, at the rate this goes I'll still be 1 without breaking a sweat or swiping on gems

[wind kelp]

I tested out 2 of the top players, and i can't ven get a 3 quantum scarlett to pop off on their off team before they burst 😄 See how this round of sparena goes and then it's just "grab freebies" for me.

[quick lake]

K, Flora, Mast, Elegg, Yulha, Clay

[whole pawn]

@quick lake i got a curious question, if everyone in my bracket has atleast 100k cp difference from me, and even if its less and they have meta team, like having noah etc, can i still compete to them using my pvp units Despite not having noah? would opening boxes for lvl changes smt? or better hoard boxes

[odd crypt]

when i realized that i was spending so much money on nikke and started skipping the campaign & story mode / events just to get the materials at the end, it made me realize i only sign in everyday for the leaderboards and it's no longer a game at that point. it's a chore

if it's no longer fun, it's an addiction

that's why these whales eventually quit

[quick lake]

Better to look at the deficit. As long as ur deficit doesnt exceed 15.4%, u can definitely compete in pvp

[vapid lake]

Can i compete in pvp?

[shell hazel]

I actually think it could get boring if you just buy your way to winning everything

I don't think I'd do it even if I was a millionaire, there is no challenge then

[odd crypt]

that's understandable. i think whales quit because they get tired of all the stress associated with being 1st/3rd and all the money it requires. the competition in pvp alone

[dim sapphire]

yes im scarletless on my f2p after 1.5 years, rank 5. No emilia too 🙁

[shell hazel]

I probably spent similar to you, maybe a bit less, but similar enough

but I don't really buy power it's more pulls/skins

[whole pawn]

honestly, it mostly does, can u win against a noah team without noah, cuz otwhr teams have cp gapp mostly

[shell hazel]

I get the routine packs and things, I will just compete where I can, but I don't worry about the pvp side too much anymore, I'd like to stay in top 3-4 for CA if I can but if more whales enter next shuffle the dream might be dead with it lol

at some point I will pivot to building out my pve more, it's been left to fend for itself a bit

i'm just in a situation where my top 4 in SPA could probably all compete for the top spot now if they knew what they were doing (unsure what the judas guy is up to lol)

so best I can do is use my 2 free daily tries to take back spot 1 or 2 as often as I can without trying to force it, I see people in gemming wars and frankly I think the better strat is to wait a bit and hit back later on

[quick lake]

As long deficit within 15.4%, pvp is doable in general. Just that u may have unit constraints, ie no scar/noah

[shell hazel]

then you keep your opponent guessing and worrying/checking it constantly. whilst you know you're going to be offline for a bit 😄

[vapid lake]

6784 pulls no scarlet is some shit

No pvp investment until game gives me scarlet

[shell hazel]

damn that is def unlucky

I think it's about time we had a legacy pilgrim selector as well

like on next anni just let us select an older one, could be crown sure

or scarlet, or noah, or whoever else people might be missing

there isn't really a huge reason to gate keep these older pilgrims anymore, can probably be from any before rapi and be fine

[whole pawn]

noah and harran are the only pilgrims i dont have

[shell hazel]

it's 3rd anni in October/Nov so would be a good way to get new players in as well, knowing they can start with a Crown 100%

[vapid lake]

No way bruh they will never give crown out until she's powercrept

Which wont be happening for a veyr long time

[shell hazel]

well at least get you a Scarlet

[vapid lake]

the day shiftup give out selectable pilgrim box is the day pigs fly and cats and dogs live together in harmony

[shell hazel]

[quick lake]

Still doable. But near impossible to defend

[whole pawn]

yeah tahts mots likely my issue, thast why i dont have a change go maintain any challenger, not sure about diamond

[quick lake]

I only got my Noah after 2 years didn’t bother pvp before that

[vapid lake]

guess i will get drunklet after 2 year too

[shell hazel]

they could do with adding more defensive units

increase options a bit

problem with scarlet 2RL is it's easily countered as well, so even having her won't save you on def 😄