pvp-arena

[eager mountain]

how many s2 does she need

[tropic summit]

i've a bad RNG one lemme find it

[swift mango]

No it's not really safer. 4rl B2 can block 3rl B3 with enough CS.

[tropic summit]

found it

[eager mountain]

as eon might say, a team relying on rng in winning isnt a good solution
so finally one down side of scar?

[tropic summit]

down to half HP via s2

[tropic summit]

not everyone is a CS% warrior, although sure i guess?

the same could be said for him then if he's running CS% he's faster anyway

[eager mountain]

she died right after tho

[tropic summit]

facetanked nuke

[swift mango]

Havel having CS investment?

[tropic summit]

glass cannon cindy in that team

[tropic summit]

yeah noway

[eager mountain]

and it goes thru bis s2...?

[tropic summit]

biscuit s2 was on centi and rumani

that was on deficit

fortunately unbuffed scarlet tickles

[eager mountain]

thats what i saw
so just cindy in bis s2 range not getting s2

[tropic summit]

mhm

[tropic summit]

point was that cindy CAN get in biscuit s2 range via scarlet s2 if bad RNG

but the odds are low imo

[eager mountain]

ye really low

[hollow lagoon]

@tropic summit u being not blue anymore bothers me

[tropic summit]

agreed

[eager mountain]

its at deficit, so less s2 hits were needed

[tropic summit]

correct

[covert lintel]

congrats on becoming a challenger
You're now a certified yapper

[swift mango]

Or if havel is lower synch. And Noah+Noise is enough to face tank Scarlet+Blanc+RH nuke.

[tropic summit]

♿

[hollow lagoon]

i have a friend that's wondering what's good at killing this, i'm assuming sanis?

[tropic summit]

noise alone can't protect double buff iirc?

single buff sure, but double i dunno

[swift mango]

Noah has ATK debuff. And dmg taken buff. (Max her s1+2)

[tropic summit]

ye s.anis will hit water link there

you can also bypass with RH B3 with RH in p3 or p4 or p5

as you'll be shooting p5

[hollow lagoon]

thx my dude

[tropic summit]

oh that's what you meant

[vapid lake]

tbh perfect time to catch up on games in the backlog now that nikke has nothing for us to do

[eager mountain]

what deficit

[tropic summit]

eh good question

wasn't higher than 18% for sure

think it was between 16 and 17

reason to why i just ran biscuit with defenders

[swift mango]

Zero deficit is fine. I got LD lost that exactly match before.

[tropic summit]

vid is a tad old @eager mountain

[swift mango]

2rl Scar+Trina+RH would burst before that team Cindy B1. So even if Cindy and Noah could invulnerable they would still win because that team is 4rl and can't burst after Noah got killed.

[tropic summit]

it was back in february blood

there was no trina yet

[swift mango]

I said the team you made for Havel.

[tropic summit]

oh oke

[swift mango]

Scar+Trina+RH 2rl is better, more sure win than scar+Blanc.

[tropic summit]

well but i suggested trina + rh + noir

they're 2.5RL via feed as they're on 97% enemy feed is 3%+ish

2.5RL against 3.5RL noise won't burst

[eager mountain]

well assume that scar has maxxed s2 with decent atk lines, ig 0 deficit counter cindy to bis s2 range before 2rl/scar nuke isnt impossible
but it will require come crits, and almost landing all 8 hits, ofc having like said 7 crits would do
and cindy wont land 8 hits before nuke if 2rl with decent cs
not to mention if scar s2 has delay

[tropic summit]

yeah sounds about right

[eager mountain]

8 counters in a row

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/zach-galifianakis-very-bad-trip-meme-very-bad-trip-blackjack-alan-counting-very-bad-trip-computations-gif-12177669

[upper grove]

he did the math

[swift mango]

This team has 9.5/10 the time being 2rl. Still 2.2rl worse case.

[eager mountain]

tho in 3rl case like the one u had, its far more likely, still unlikely

[swift mango]

RH not pierce cover and scar doesn't counter at all.

[tropic summit]

point is? 3.5RL or 4RL still dies to 3 buff hit

[eager mountain]

eventho in context of scar its usually 2rl deadline

[swift mango]

Point is that team surely will Cleave Noise out off existence before she can burst.

[tropic summit]

then it's good

[eager mountain]

the issue with feed based team is that u can no longer outspeed with cs advantage, if against full rl/sr team

[swift mango]

They are 4rl team, they aren't catching up even with 25% CS.

[eager mountain]

tho multi hit rl/sr like helm or p2 link can solve that

most 2rl team ppl run usually either has a noncharge weapon or a cindy/helm anyways

so ig a non issue

[swift mango]

Need lv7 quantum on 3 unit though.

[pale knoll]

It should still go through no?

[swift mango]

Well, good luck. Enemy probably don't have 21% CS on Noah.

[pale knoll]

2.5rl scar nuke would go through anyways no?

[swift mango]

Yeah. They probably don't have 25% CS on 2rl to worry about.

[quartz rover]

Who should I add vs a 3speed?

3 speed not buffed scarlet

I'll put anis

[vapid lake]

centi

anis has too low hp and will steal indom

[quartz rover]

Jackal gets indom anyway

[vapid lake]

jackal shouldnt be stealing indom unless she is not OL'ed while ein and RH are

[quartz rover]

Not ol, no doll

Anis gets indom in that case but does it matter who indom goes to? Ill probably just nuke them right

[swift mango]

Uhm sorry I yapped too much today.

[shell hazel]

red soon

[unique mountain]

[keen vapor]

It matters

Invest

[wicked horizon]

Do I bother with trying to beat this guy?

[tropic summit]

mihara sacc, scar-siren, 2.5RL stall cindy

this guy knows what he's doing if anything

[wicked horizon]

wtf, red railtracer

[keen vapor]

Don't cut your screen I won't have a reference

[keen vapor]

Red tracer

[tropic summit]

feels like i'm gonna get that reaction for a while

[quartz rover]

What piece would give jackal most benefit leveling?

Feet?

[keen vapor]

Overload all 4 rocks

[quartz rover]

My issue is rocks and the gear to lvl them to 5

[wicked horizon]

What reference are we looking for?

I'm level 405

[keen vapor]

All

[keen vapor]

Exactly

[keen vapor]

I rather no

[wicked horizon]

I'm missing Emilia, and I haven't invested Moran, Rosanna, Anis, Bay, and Nero.

[keen vapor]

Doomed

[wicked horizon]

[quartz rover]

Is it ok to leave jackal at 1/1/1

[wicked horizon]

What would even realistically save me? Bay?

[wicked horizon]

I'mma be real, 4/4/4 is so cheap, it's worth it just for the CP, I think.
But that's just my opinion.

[shell hazel]

4/4/4 is cheap just do it lol

[fast jetty]

How do i attack this defense? Tried a few scarlet and cindy, doesn’t work sofar
Also some cp gap

Maybe try noah sbs?

[wicked horizon]

Is that 2RL?

[tropic summit]

try this for science

sbs must've less HP than jackal and helmt
blanc with temperance for safety

other team should've the right timing to revive RH and wipe from p5 onward, also will absorb emi if she's to nuke

[fast jetty]

With noah jackal helm seems 2rl, haven’t use calculator yet

[tropic summit]

for T3 there's also the option of slow cindy, but i kinda wanna see if you can survive with that first

record le match

[tropic summit]

you just need a DPS 2RL

[fast jetty]

I ran 2RL scar on them and didnt work

[tropic summit]

ofc not you're running 2Rl scar into noah

[fast jetty]

I see

So noah if not in pos1 gonna counter scarlet

[tropic summit]

nono

noah if it's on same speed will absorb the whole nuke

you literally running scarlet against her own counter

[tropic summit]

same speed, nuke gets caught

[fast jetty]

Ez, replaced rh with sbs (cp gap), won

[tropic summit]

concerning that your SBS has more CP than RH although, give RH some love

[fast jetty]

I know right… i am a bit too.
Rh was my reroll target, and have since semi retired

Pvp is no fun
With rail it is

[tropic summit]

it's the mode itself tbh

this is what happens when you make pvp as an afterthought and just as filler

but SU doesn't care anyway

[quartz rover]

How do I deal with this siren?

My issue is if they burst, my ein gets stunned while doing burst, no?

[signal hull]

Why not put Jackal first? If she gets stunned - who cares.

[vapid lake]

doesn't matter, rh b3 will burst and destroy them anyway

opponent team will burst next year

with a team comp like that

[quartz rover]

Oh so I dont need ein to burst?

[glad meteor]

siren counts previous rounds ammo, but doubt it coulf win anyways

[quartz rover]

I read that she still does damage while stunned cause feathers

[vapid lake]

your opponent's team is like 7rl or whatever they have no speed

[quartz rover]

so I can just run it and win, regardless how my comp is

[vapid lake]

they'll burst next year

9rl speed

[signal hull]

That 30kCP difference might hurt, but I don't think it's critical.

[quartz rover]

Does their burst speed matter if I have deficit on them

[vapid lake]

opponent suffers -25% or so stat penalty which might be enough to kill them before they get to burst

they don't have biscuit protecting the defenders

[quartz rover]

What if I make the deficit higher

[vapid lake]

sacrifice an attempt and try it or u'll never learn

[quartz rover]

181k

Its on #1 in my spa, dont wanna goof it

[wicked horizon]

Goofing will continue until skill improves.

[quartz rover]

I'm learning sorta

They took out #1 so I could just take #1 from them lmao

[quartz rover]

The og #1 has way too much power

[tropic summit]

wow enemy rosanna wasn't even lethal we didn't need rapunzel

i put her there just in case RH got 1hitko...

worked as inteded, thanks for sharing

[wicked horizon]

I was skeptical of surviving Emilia until Noah burst, but it worked out.

[quartz rover]

So blanc's burst debuff is VERY strong for nukes, huh

[tropic summit]

the whole point here was putting several low hitters and possibly 1sr to hit mihara the least possibile

opponent wanted her to die

that team was meant for you to waste scarlet on

the moment you force mihara to burst, it's over

as opponent DID NOT want her to B3

[hollow lagoon]

more like scarlet team was all or nothing

[tropic summit]

that counter with 2RL indom was just to deal with glass cannon

once you prevent nuke from doing its purpose, that team falls

the gimmick of stun was dodged with B1 in p1 on 2RL

[quartz rover]

Does higher level pvp become multiple bursts

[wicked horizon]

Thanks
Maybe I'll be free of these people after reshuffle.
But maybe it'll become worse.

[wicked horizon]

Fewer, if anything.

[shell hazel]

not really tbh it's all relative lol

everyone gets stronger

[wicked horizon]

But players get smarter.

[hollow lagoon]

not me

i get dumber

i rely on this channel to function

[quartz rover]

I don't think my spA makes teams for each opponent, they may just use their defense

I know that was my thought process before asking for help here

Wtf how'd I defend vs a 215?

Thats higher than the whale in my bracket

[shell hazel]

commander level is not the same as sync

check their sync

[quartz rover]

Doesn't commander level mean they got more resources

[shell hazel]

not always

[quartz rover]

From outpost or climbing higher

216

[shell hazel]

means they been playing for longer usually

[quartz rover]

The og c1 has 244

[shell hazel]

as you can't really buy commander levels, outpost makes it a bit quicker though

[quartz rover]

I figured higher outpost level = more commander exp

[shell hazel]

yeah that is the case but also just playing for longer naturally means higher commander level

it's gradual anyway

[hollow lagoon]

always check sync

[tiny scroll]

Any ideas how to crack this defender in rookie arena?

[hollow lagoon]

prob need jackal link to not have dead helm

[quartz rover]

So its safe to assume the 215 commander level person will probably beat me when they get 221 sync

[shell hazel]

meh not always lol

depends on what units they run and if they cp gap or not

and even if they have a clue

[signal hull]

Try replacing Noise with Siren (or OG Soda) and pray Rosanna won't oneshot you.
Edit: Yeah I'm pretty sure she'll oneshot you. Wohoo, boi, dat Rosanna... bites lip

[quartz rover]

Their highest campaign stage is 31-15, im at 28-5 or something

[shell hazel]

31-15 at 215 sync? feels a bit early but eh maybe lol

[hollow lagoon]

then ur prob very dead

[shell hazel]

they'll get a lot more outpost resources than you will

[quartz rover]

The c1 guy is at 32-32

The lack of helmT is really harming my climbing 😦

[hollow lagoon]

well then get helmT

[quartz rover]

I need 1 dupe

[hollow lagoon]

oh yeah right u cant redeem that anymore from the shop

[tropic summit]

check who has highest attack between your s.anis and helmt

[quartz rover]

Unfortunately I didnt gamble before treasure change, and I didnt have helm before it changed either

[hollow lagoon]

i was the first in my bracket with treasure helm

i'llhave u know the first 2 weeks was a slaughter fest

[quartz rover]

There's a dude in my spA bracket with a c7 helmt

[hollow lagoon]

i was annhilating people left and right with my shiny fresh from oven helmT

it was glorious

[signal hull]

Yeah I was slow on getting HelmT and back then they weren't giving out doll mats like hot cakes, so I was stuck for a couple of weeks - I was being murdered without her. Then as soon as I got her - easy top 3.

[worthy knoll]

@tropic summit help

[tropic summit]

jesus christ that guy is still running that

[wicked horizon]

[tiny scroll]

My helm does

[tropic summit]

@worthy knoll you only need 2.928.854 CP to hit him

[shell hazel]

oh thought you said 18-5 lol, that was quite far back if so, I was here

Naga works fine to push with still in a similar comp

[quartz rover]

I did say 18, misremembered

[shell hazel]

that's not too bad then

you can push into 29/30/31 at 221 certainly

[worthy knoll]

Dang, my auto could only just go to 1.7 at highest

[shell hazel]

make sure to push to hard mode also

[hollow lagoon]

oh dude as soon as i caught wind of new treasure units i started saving, and i already had some ready to use man my bracket wasnt ready for that, i also had thous boxes ready to go so i had head start on treasure mats aswell, when people had to only use helm as battery i could burst with her, it was glorious

[signal hull]

I can imagine.

[shell hazel]

was around this, so 31 normal = 14 ish hard

[tropic summit]

can you post this matchup so we can check CP?

your team is on the left

[quartz rover]

Dolling and ol my crown will probably help

But I have to get the doll and the t9m first

[random tundra]

8 hits in 15 minutes.

[shell hazel]

yeah she's worth SR-15 if you can even though it's not typically a good idea for all MG units

long term CP boost for main campaign b2 carry

[tropic summit]

don't gem back, ever

[quartz rover]

I hit a dude before reset and I checked where he was and he got pushed to diamond 1, 15th place

[shell hazel]

I had a guy challenge me at 1st once, I checked later in the day they were 30th 😄

[shell hazel]

must have been chain yeeted down to 10th or so and then 30 did a swap

[quartz rover]

He probably quit that same day

[random tundra]

the guy sold his account and the new guy needs to have piss thrown in his face to establish dominance ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[shell hazel]

nah he still going

[tropic summit]

4% deficit, looks good on that front

[shell hazel]

some people just try and succeed/fail/don't care

[tropic summit]

before running this, how invested is your own rosanna for reference?

[quartz rover]

Honestly, that's a vibe

[random tundra]

10 hits in 20 minutes

[tiny scroll]

Not very invested really. I've slept on her 🙁

[random tundra]

i guess he's trying to break his 23 hit record yesterday

[tropic summit]

that's fine, try run that team, record if you can so we can nitpick if needed

the only thing i'm unsure of is rosanna targetting in p5 going to p4 or p1

it should be p5 (prioritizes attackers) and p1 but can be iffy

[tropic summit]

forgot to mention s.anis must've 0 ammo OL, run resil

or it kills her DPS

burst lvl 9 or more

[tiny scroll]

Ok on all three of those

[tropic summit]

oke doke

record and run then, should be gud

expectations:

-helm dies to rosanna
-both team burst on 2RL
-both shields down, s.anis hits backline, enemy hits p1
-you kill backline and finish off noah and biscuit for last

[tiny scroll]

Excellent!

[tropic summit]

rosanna targetting went as expected a least, p5 and p1 it is

[random tundra]

18 hits in 27 minutes.

[tiny scroll]

Amazing 👏 thanks for the help

[tropic summit]

change that lineup into noah jackal biscuit s.anis helmt to be a tad safer if he doesn't change it

you welcome

[covert lintel]

If he changes Rosanna to emi, your noah would be dead before she opens her shield

[tropic summit]

the trick would be in hitting noah when she's around 60%

then she could get 1hitko

as it bypasses biscuit s2 treshold

but to do that when defending would be something else

[umbral belfry]

@tropic summit red color

[random tundra]

he's hit me so often i'm running out of battle record history space LMAO

[quartz rover]

-3000 gems

[tropic summit]

competitive ♿ ing

@swift mango i found you on the internet

[umbral belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/the-yapping-levels-have-reached-the-peak-level-gif-8449254231252704589

[worthy knoll]

How long to 100%? 4 RL not enough

Bursted in 4 RL, okay something is wrong

[worthy knoll]

Actually its 3.5RL even

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/shake-head-anime-bocchi-the-rock-bocchi-the-rock-gif-bocchi-gif-27212768

[tropic summit]

hmm that's indeed strange, should be between 6RL and 7RL

[raven plover]

https://tenor.com/view/thegoon-bigoldgoon-ted-lasso-yes-yes-yes-yes-gif-701975896996955852

1 RL scar real

[tropic summit]

rakuen got fairly close to that, although it relies on feed

#pvp-arena message

and "just" 34%CS emi

[raven plover]

ye I replied, not exactly 1 RL

[worthy knoll]

If hypothesis is right, no changes to RL, so its feed that is affecting the increased gen, it seems a gen gain from Jackal feed is doubled now

[tropic summit]

wait, they broke it with the newest changes?

can't fix one thing without breaking new things uh

[worthy knoll]

From 3.55% to 7.1% or if with quantum 3.715% to 7.43% per proc

[umbral belfry]

something else broke?

[crystal flicker]

Red Tracer

[tropic summit]

♿

[random tundra]

actually -3600 from today, and -2100 from yesterday

[quartz rover]

What's even the point at that rate

[random tundra]

don't know. maybe if he stopped hitting me i can stop hitting him

[quartz rover]

You've had c1 longer anyway

[random tundra]

c2 actually but if he wants to drain all his gems so he can't pull TVesti
i'm all for it.

[random tundra]

note that's the stupid thing, he could've hit C1 or C3, and easily hold the slot for hours, instead he wants to hit me while i'm chronically checking my SPVP rank.

[covert lintel]

Finally my nero moran passed a minimum rec
It's so hard to get yellow skill book

[umbral crown]

Rail heroic rank

[umbral crown]

The shop is opwn but congrats

Now stall team ready next season, your rapu max skill?

But where your Moran Skin

[spare nimbus]

Team 1 and 2 win?

[covert lintel]

No, 797

[crystal flicker]

Heroic... It seems I know what this reference to

[crystal flicker]

1st win
2nd I won't be very sure, well built stall can tank Scarlet Trina RH

You have better chance with Nuke Blanc RH

[spare nimbus]

I won all three

[umbral crown]

Make S1 lv10, guess thats the one whih heals the lowest units

[glad glade]

I’ve done it. I’ve beaten my resident whale, with a 49 sync difference between us

[umbral crown]

Waos

[swift mango]

[swift mango]

Actually, winnable at 20% deficit, so only need 2770k

[swift mango]

You could also do 5rl Cindy

[umbral belfry]

is this a new site?

[swift mango]

30% deficit and you win no matter what team you bring.

[crystal flicker]

Don't you think they should sync lock SPA or limit it to 400

[wintry viper]

If i use helmT for Nero Moran stall team which Nikke do i use to replace her spot in the Cindy team?

[quartz rover]

But then people won't whale to dominate others

[vapid lake]

My own spreadsheet

[fast jetty]

team 2 work ok, do i want to deal with team 1 or team 3? (been losing)

i guess team 1's problem is helm sniped scar.. after scar burst? not sure what bay is for...

hmm. bay: "Due to her damage share nature, Bay is a “cheaper” Noah in where her damage share from cover can block a nuke hit, while also having permanent damage share after. She works well in team healing orientated teams (stall teams)."

[glad meteor]

Her damage share isn’t permanent

It goes away when she dies

They may have cs 11% and quantum to 2rl and avoid siren stun if that team lost

[gritty ridge]

It might just be me but that team 3 looks pretty easy to beat

Any non feed b1 would work in flex empty spot

Or you could put rumani p2 and helm p5 to maybe avoid noise taunt i think

[swift mango]

Well, they would also need to fundamentally change SpA.

Because if everyone at same level then there is no def.

[swift mango]

Unless you have a bracket like Rosy and max invest when no one else does the same.

[eager mountain]

15 sec win or offense lose the round

but well, they have every reason to keep offense broken

to keep player "active" since attack win will be responded by the defending side

same for level, whale advantage + pressure to level up even when ur done with campaign + tower somehow

[near plank]

what to target

[eager mountain]

13

[swift mango]

Maybe add crown or LapT or both or you won't have enough dmg.

[gritty ridge]

Yeah i was thinking lapT there

Rumani p2 helm p4 lapT p5

Fast, doesnt feed, should kill link

[swift mango]

Vs SG : Biscuit wall p5.

Vs Anis: Scar+Trina+RH+flex+jackal

Vs scar: 2rl Noah+Cindy(or HelmT+RH)

[near plank]

did forbidden tech i ask the top guy to let me have his spot

[eager mountain]

[near plank]

ill just let him hit rikka

4 attacks > 2

i can even call mocha in if we have to

[eager mountain]

[near plank]

ill try this in the future

[onyx scaffold]

still 2 vs 2 if the guy settles with rank 3

[gritty ridge]

If I wasnt in such a deficit would this work?

Or is noise too tanky

[mystic rain]

i think u can just stun noise

actually maybe u dont even need to stun cyuz apparently thats 5RL

lmao

21% deficit does sound awful tho

[quick lake]

Can try a 2RL Noise/RH Noah Cindy Jackal possibly

[quartz rover]

I've been c1 for 9 hours, expected it to last 30 minutes

[tropic summit]

what do you mean if you weren't in deficit? that team can lose to campaign team

show your box

[eager mountain]

good morning

[shell hazel]

ohayo

[tropic summit]

bonjour

[tropic summit]

inverse of stonks

[quick lake]

challenger rank.yapper rail

[unique mountain]

Congrats rail

[swift mango]

Railenger.

[swift mango]

I mean, now he is earn rank 1 point. The other guy of his union already earning rank 1 point for awhile and now earning half r3. So basically, it's group bully and the other guys doesn't have any chance for c3. Unless he jump to c1 from C4 instead. But that would invite c2-3 to hit him down for C4 to hit again.

It's group bully to secured rank, so long as one guys in 3 can beat him on attack he can't get over their rank. @hollow eagle know it best.

[placid heath]

can someone help me with updating my pvp teams?

[onyx scaffold]

I would like to talk about long term instead. Like next season

So as long as he can win all 3 guys, it becomes 1v1

[swift mango]

Not really. They can just keep him at p3-4 while alternatively earning 1-2-3-4. Total sum in the end will make them 1-2-3 and the poor guy 4.

Best def in SpA after CP is group bully.

[quick lake]

Can send your roster in horizontal mode for help

[placid heath]

DM?

[quick lake]

Can just send here

max 4 pics at a time

[placid heath]

sure

my current ones

all units

[tropic summit]

Rail Ranger?

[shell hazel]

red rail ranger

[tropic summit]

throw trina, rumani and biscuit in synchro, invest them to prydwen recommended stats and OLs

once that is done, get your teams reviewed

might wanna raise CP also on centi and blanc asap

once the units above are ready you can likely run 2 teams on 2RL and a generic 3RL (2.5RL via CS%), as you've most units needed

[placid heath]

alr

thanks

[swift mango]

Red Railer.

[quick lake]

Scar Siren Trina Centi Jackal
Noise Noah Cindy THelm Rumani

Full SG team
or
Blanc SBS Biscuit Drake Pepper

Sync: Biscuit, Rumani, Trina
Trina to 4/10/4
4OL everybody

[placid heath]

[junior zephyr]

Hi chat. What can I improve from last time CA? I just pulled Noah

[tropic summit]

T1 run jackal with scarlet or keep as is
T2 give cindy noah anti nuke instead of centi
T3 split biscuit from jackal
T4 fine as is, viper stage 2 (ensure u didn't stage 3)
T5 this one is badly cope

[quick lake]

pascal god

[junior zephyr]

TY so T2 i go with Noise/Noah/Cindy/THelm/Centi ? Also my Viper is not treasured

[tropic summit]

reconsider T5 first, then do what you can with T2 and T3

that or just scratch T5 and reuse moran anchor and bay elsewhere

a 3RL generic purpose team is fine over a 4RL or 5RL+

e.g.:

bay alternative if you wanna keep biscuit elsewhere

[quick lake]

U also have most of the core meta units. Can honestly just copy top 8 or past winners

[junior zephyr]

Forget T5, I don’t even have the roster for 5 teams. But I don’t think they can be use by other T? 2.5 anni newbie also I don’t have Maiden AnisSS

[junior zephyr]

Good idea, next time i will take a look. I just pulled Noah so I can’t see other players team now

[shell hazel]

you should still be able to see the teams the top 8 used

CS can make or break some of them though

[junior zephyr]

Ah I see

[shell hazel]

the variance has really shrunk now most people just run the same sort of teams, earlier CA was wild lol

naturally as my bracket lacks Emi / S.Anis we don't run the same comps as some of the higher ones, but there does seem to be a meta set of teams with a few flex units around mine

[junior zephyr]

In my CA the champ’s been holding the crown 4 seasons in a row, and the runner-up’s been the same for all 4 too.

[quick lake]

Poor runner up

[junior zephyr]

nvm I just saw I can copy a runner up team

[shell hazel]

oh in mine the same guy just won their 3rd one, not in a row but overall

[junior zephyr]

Ty for help

[shell hazel]

i'm 55th only won it once lol

[junior zephyr]

And it supposed to be a luck game

[shell hazel]

it definitely is to some degree, luck on counter matchups

but it's not all luck I suppose highest investment = better chance to win

the top 8 is pretty competitive

[junior zephyr]

The champ’s a megawhale, so no surprise there.

[shell hazel]

my current champ moderate whale

more dupes does help but not core max on everyone, I can see we're same comander level but they're +35 sync on me

so I have to assume they're spending more than me lol 😄

[unique wagon]

What if we got a Nikke that...

• Activates when an ally takes fatal damage (except self). Triggers up to 5 times per battle.
  Grants Indomitable for 1 sec.
• Activates upon granting Indomitability. Affects self.
  Immunity for 1 sec.

Counters Rosanna

[daring saffron]

any of the new treasures worth for pvp?

[keen chasm]

Please could someone give me the best 3 teams that I can use in PvP , I just don’t have those characters

[shell hazel]

i'll probably build Soda for my next pvp investment, for true rng arena lmao

https://tenor.com/view/nikke-godess-of-victory-cleaning-maid-anime-gif-5833320246671209448

[signal hull]

OG Soda is one of the best pvp investments I ever made.

[shell hazel]

I wanted to build her for a while just stuff takes time

I'll probably see how the new units are as well just in case vesti is somehow awesome 😄

[signal hull]

If I wasn't trying to move up in good Unions, I'd give her an even better lines. She often makes quick work of Noah teams, better than Siren.

[shell hazel]

I have the line issue as well on various units still can't see a shortcut to fixing that easy

but she's mg at least it's simple atk/ele/ammo

[tropic summit]

can refer to these
#pvp-arena message

else also these advanced ones (CS% is required)
#pvp-arena message

Highly suggest to run comps where your CP does not tank too harshly, a meta team on low CP is useless

[tropic summit]

that's fine us any other DPS B3 (SBS,RH,RRH,ein)

s.anis is rerunning soon btw

[signal hull]

Siren (or OG Soda)/Scarlet/Trina/whatever-to-get-this-to-2RL.
Stun Jackal and as single B1 this whole team will crumble.

[keen chasm]

Okay thanks u🙏

[glad meteor]

Noah biscuit cindy helmt rapunzel

Rapunzel can be noise too

Noah biscuit helm xmaiden/laplace treasure noise

[frank ingot]

Thank you again

[terse heron]

Something is weird. Not sure what. But something is weird.

[shell hazel]

biscuit and jackal dual combo team

what is your cp like there?

[terse heron]

not my vid. I got it from someone else.

[shell hazel]

curious to see because normally you'd eat a massive cp loss with just 2/5 units fielded

was it from merry because they posted a similar jackal only vid yesterday?
#pvp-arena message

[swift mango]

You could do that if you are a blue whale or just hitting bricked guys in your rookie.

[shell hazel]

yeah it doesn't really tell a whole story

what do you make of this @worthy knoll ?

[quick lake]

I think its just the 2 unit still CP gaps the opponents

[shell hazel]

I can only imagine they cp gap even with 2 units

[placid bloom]

critical hits of 1

[quick lake]

stupid vid

[shell hazel]

just a whaler then

[placid bloom]

this look like my 41% campaign mald

[shell hazel]

full burst => hit for 1

[digital fractal]

This team has been cooking me recently

any comp tips?

[shell hazel]

I'm in range

[shell hazel]

if the scarlet has 33 ammo or more you can just siren scarlet

if not then you need to consider alt options

[terse heron]

not from merry but probably because jackal is filling the burst gauge faster than usual.

[shell hazel]

it's not just that though I think they must cp gap em

but they don't show the cp in the video, my jackal/biscuit would probably beat the above comp as well

[dense totem]

Guys, what team can I use for the PVP mod with these characters?

[shell hazel]

damage share + biscuit immunity makes them fairly tanky

[glad meteor]

Noah biscuit helmt xmaiden/laplace treasure noise

[digital fractal]

helmt as the main burst?

ill try that out

[glad meteor]

Yeah

[swift mango]

Bay have good heal if you wanted to use her

[signal hull]

Not many characters to pick from. I suppose Helm doesn't have Favorite Item? Highly recommend to make it your top prio.

Why do you have this Rapi outfit, isn't it like... Very old?

[umbral belfry]

everyone else gets it no? I remember getting it first thing when I started playing on Dec 2024

[signal hull]

I just asked because his account seems old and yet still stuck at lvl160, so he will be forever bricked in pvp. Maybe it's best to just reroll. Ofc if he's not planning to quit again and wants to aim high in pvp...

[umbral belfry]

ohhh

[dense totem]

I started playing 5 months ago

[swift mango]

I have seen worse, 2 year ild account synch 200.

[dense totem]

I think I have a decent account for being a 5 month old, but like you said I've been stuck in story mode for a while.

[swift mango]

anyway, you are lvl bricked so diamond is where you can go for.

[umbral belfry]

I think for 5 months it is a bit slow but there could be walls like the 160 wall and/or story

[signal hull]

I'm playing since june 24 and I don't have this outfit...

[umbral belfry]

as for teams I'd try to think of one but I'm running late to work sorry maybe someone else can

[signal hull]

SBS/Blanc/OG Soda/SR Anis/...and... Drake? Idk... No burst gen. Need HelmT and more burst gen units.

[dense totem]

Can anyone recommend me a team with the characters I need to play PVP?

[hollow eagle]

Jackal now got double gen from feed?

[hollow eagle]

Check pin here for general builds

[swift mango]

is this all the SSR you have? Then probably just auto 3 team.

[swift mango]

Drake+Bunny Soda+Naga+Neon+Noir

SBS+Raven+Blanc+Liter+Anis

Auto team.

[dense totem]

in this order?

[swift mango]

yes, you don't even have one SSR Arena unit in this pic.

[dense totem]

instead for pvp with a single team who do you recommend?

[swift mango]

I recommend getting treasure for helm. Before that, just auto team for more cp... Or SBS+Blanc+Liter+Noir+Drake/Raven

[dense totem]

How do you get the treasure for helm?

[fathom rock]

Lb2
Bond lv30
Max sr doll

[dense totem]

I have no idea what they are

[fathom rock]

Get helm to 2 stars
Give her a purple collection item at max level
Max out her bond level

[dense totem]

but does this only apply to her?

[fathom rock]

Any unit with a treasure has these requirements to obtain it

[swift mango]

have you bought every single event shop try for gem to grind core dust boxes? If you are having thousands of core dust box stacked waiting for wall break then you maybe still have a chance at arena content.

[dense totem]

so I have to bring it to rank 30

[fathom rock]

Ye

[dense totem]

and do I randomly choose the doll to put on top of him?

[dense totem]

If you want, can I open the game and show you the shops and inventory?

[fathom rock]

You can only equip 1 doll type for a unit and it have 2 different rarities, always start with blue first

[swift mango]

No need just wish you good luck.

[fathom rock]

@umbral belfry helm got a black cs now

[dense totem]

Why put the blue rarity first if I can get the epic right away?

[shell hazel]

because blue to R-15 upgrades to purple SR-5

and going from SR-0 to SR-5 is a pain

[fathom rock]

Cuz maxing out blue using blue kits then changing to purple is cheaper on avg than starting with purple

[shell hazel]

@dim escarp @oblique gyro Void saga part 3

Void doko?

[dense totem]

so if I put the purple doll before the blue one on some characters, did I make a mistake?

[shell hazel]

oh yeah found em

[fathom rock]

Not a big deal

[shell hazel]

you can fix it just may cost more blues

unless you get v lucky anyway

[swift mango]

If only Mana was able to revive like this
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1177116972593463316/1328306900848218163/Screenrecorder-2023-08-17-01-02-33-219.mp4?ex=689b14b3&is=6899c333&hm=08dfe312a9f7a46ce86248023c4f4e4253a56eabfb8909d095c3ee0b5ce046e1&

[fathom rock]

Hank dont buy the teamwork box

You can use dna to buy gold molds, you can use union chips to buy battery for resiliance and bastion

[shell hazel]

level up resi ahead of bastion imo

[dense totem]

@fathom rock

[shell hazel]

especially if you have crown

[dense totem]

these are my characters @shell hazel

[shell hazel]

you can boost both resi and bastion but I'd put resi first

my resi is level 8 and my bastion is level 7

get both to 5 initially

[dense totem]

Can you tell me which characters to assign them to?

@shell hazel

[shell hazel]

your dps mainly but with enough resilience you can just give to your 5 main campaign units

I'd focus on that first, good pve helps with the pvp

think you need level 8 to give one to each of the 5, but before that just give resilience to the best dps and then bastion to the others

[shell hazel]

not to discourage but you can reach your progress within a month if you know what you're doing 🙂

[worthy knoll]

Oh, in my case it is just me fighting a lower sync opponent while not having penalty on both sides

[shell hazel]

I guess you're just playing quite casually? that's fine btw, just know that pvp really only rewards either a) spending a lot of money or b) great min/maxing

[shell hazel]

raid boss Jackal (guess you win this just because their power is split into 5 parts)

[worthy knoll]

Tho if you are talking about weird Jackal speed, it is from this

[shell hazel]

that sync diff really matters

mihara proc also done weird things in some matches though I've not seen it lately

[worthy knoll]

Though it seems Naga also is affected by this, prolly Pepper too

[shell hazel]

how does it impact naga?

[raven plover]

double naga heal

[shell hazel]

amazing code

[worthy knoll]

Example of SBS proc 3 doubling

[shell hazel]

truly spaghetti code

is it the same in pve or are these pvp only bugs?

[worthy knoll]

Not sure, Eon said prolly only in pvp coz he can't see it on Union Range

[shell hazel]

so some units just outperforming quite a bit then, or working in weird and wonderful ways

[worthy knoll]

Jackal double value of feed gen is huge actually

[shell hazel]

yeah Jackal one is probably the biggest there

[worthy knoll]

Well aside from that, I guess XMaiden hitting a lot more is another

Units die before she can hit them with her actual RL shot coz her S2 x 2 per shot are already killing

[shell hazel]

[shell hazel]

no chance they fix this before next CA lol

[oblique gyro]

[shell hazel]

I don't care about 1st btw, you can have it, I'm just trading matches with Void and on top of the exchange

if you skip me I'll do the same, Void is using all 5 tries on me each day

I've paralysed him here unless he spends gems to get out of it

[quartz rover]

Guess I won't skip winter banner

[shell hazel]

it's bugged haha, still a good unit

[fathom rock]

Resiliance and bastion to lv7 asap

[dense totem]

Now i can change? @fathom rock

[fathom rock]

👍

[dense totem]

And max the purple?

[fathom rock]

This is sg doll on who?

[dense totem]

If I change the old doll, will I lose it?

[dense totem]

Dorothy

[fathom rock]

You lose the blue yes

Max it if gonna be a solo raider but not highest priority

[dense totem]

if I don't get the max one, the purple one, is the max blue or the level 1 purple one more convenient?

[fathom rock]

Max blue becomes lv5 purple after change and lv5 purple is better

[dense totem]

Oh

so even if I'm still purple it's better to change it from blue to purple

How do you get these dolls?

@fathom rock

[fathom rock]

Dispatch or solo raid

[fathom rock]

Max blue then change to purple

[dense totem]

could you tell me a team I can make for the raid?

[fathom rock]

The solo raid didnt even start yet

[dense totem]

Oh ok

[primal charm]

do xmaiden buff scar burst dmg chat(in pvp)

[hollow eagle]

no

[hybrid fox]

in general will this team benefit more from the replacement of sanis?

[quick lake]

In SPA? I think it aint gonna work

[swift mango]

sometimes it's just p1+2 linked.

And SBS 0 x 2 = 0

[hybrid fox]

Spvp Attack
Noir will die

[quick lake]

Possible SG pressure i guess

[hybrid fox]

to pressure this anyway
p2 will blanc tank this team

[swift mango]

Nah you aren't winning this. Especially if LapT has a higher attack than either Helm or Emi.

[hybrid fox]

true, I have won similar but not always
*similar

[swift mango]

Hmm, could you show the video? Moran died before she even burst? Or Emi charging too slow? But this is a different guy anyway, could be much lower cp.

[hybrid fox]

moran survives

this is the same guy, similar level

unfortunately I do not have it

[swift mango]

HelmT bursting is much more pressure. If she bursted you would lose. Emi on the other hand without any buffer could just die while charging

[hybrid fox]

only losing ones with different comp

[hybrid fox]

then should I even change to sanis?

having HelmT is infinite HP regen haha

[swift mango]

I'm using a similar def comp with Drake instead. I was considered to move drake to p4 after seeing your pic. But remember my HelmT with zero ATK line would never be targeted by Rossanna.

[hybrid fox]

rosanna is for the burst gen anyway

[swift mango]

You probably win by sniping their HelmT I assume.

[hybrid fox]

can't prob lose this one, my rosie might not kill idk

oh could u guess, it wins
see pm

[hybrid fox]

I sent the invite for friend to send u the vid

[swift mango]

So did Rossanna snipe helm?

[hybrid fox]

no my bunny just blasted them

so once he gets more level maybe it wont work

[swift mango]

Oh I see, bay wasn't able to block the Nuke?

Or soda bunny indom just normal attack their team?

[hybrid fox]

bay blocked it

soda bunny indom normal atk wipe

[swift mango]

I saw your images, nice.

Soda indomed is really strong.

[umbral crown]

[umbral crown]

Bunny Soda?

[shell hazel]

I wonder why people don't run blanc sg comps in CA, maybe as they use blanc to indom someone else?

[worthy knoll]

#pvp-arena message

[shell hazel]

with that comp though it's a bit under natural 3RL anyway

[placid bloom]

Blanc won't get you 2RL even with kill for Ros

unless you not running Ros

[shell hazel]

yes, it's 2.5 I think

[placid bloom]

[hybrid fox]

I cant send it

discord limited

[shell hazel]

need quite a few quantums 😄

63.46% needed for 2RL

rosa is MG and blanc is AR so it could be a few frames slower and be fine

[swift mango]

She normal attacked the whole Moran+Bay team.

Also thanks to his drake having lower attack than B.soda ofc and was not sniped by HelmT.

[gritty ridge]

I appreciate it but I was just wanting to know if my thoughts were right, his other 2 teams are 400k

[honest kettle]

anyone know if they fixed, Bay's shield from not working??

[gritty ridge]

Shield?

[honest kettle]

yeah, i saw that the shield wouldnt actually do anything even tho its up

i also heard Poli, has the shield acting as a unit so the enemy gets double burst gen

[gritty ridge]

Poli shield feeds rl, yes

Bay catches everything shes supposed to as of right now so id say shes fixed

[covert lintel]

Moran killer

[gritty ridge]

Why pepper

And why noir p1

[placid bloom]

because need faster B1 if no Ros

Idk why Noir p1 if no Ros though

might as well just pray BSoda lives to 2.5RL naturally

[honest kettle]

thank you for the info.
so does that mean that Poli's shield is intentional to work like that?

[gritty ridge]

I just dont think they thought abt pvp if im being honest

Shift up hates pvp

[honest kettle]

[swift mango]

not double burst gen, only 1/4 more for RL if putting in p1-2. So she is fine to treasure, some people love spread fearmonging and misinformation

[gritty ridge]

I never said shes not usable, shes just best in p5 atm

[hybrid fox]

it rely on noir dying

[covert lintel]

But it doesn't change the fact she is making your opponent faster

[honest kettle]

thanks for the info guys. big help for me

[hybrid fox]

noir dies so rosanna can burst faster

[placid bloom]

he's not running Ros

that's entire point

[swift mango]

Faster is relative. A 1/4 more gen to RL could either make the right team become 1rl faster or change nothing 95% the time.

So random encounters like CA It's rather rare to happen.

[covert lintel]

Just p5 her
It's safe

[swift mango]

Ofc I had seen it happened once in CA final. (But they won 4-1 so it's pointless)

So you could use her in p5 mainly block SG if you wanted to be safe.

[placid bloom]

it makes what, 2.5LR Noise Noah Cindy Biscuit Rumani 2RL? But you losing to Biscuit anyway so the matchup doesn't even change

[hybrid fox]

we are talking about poli?

[placid bloom]

most other team gonna be 2RL by default anyway

[swift mango]

Not really

[placid bloom]

well if Noise dies it won't be 2RL anymore

maybe if Ros really strong she can one-shot Noah from full HP before Biscuit proc

[swift mango]

Need to be 80% to become 2rl with 1/4 more burst gen on RL.

[hybrid fox]

not gonna happen unless u already out cp by a margin

[placid bloom]

that's no cs though

[swift mango]

Team can't be 2rl no matter what.

[placid bloom]

[swift mango]

CS doesn't matter here at 2rl value..

[placid bloom]

nvm

doesn't matter

[placid bloom]

either way it's losing matchup, speed up or no speed up

Nero Moran doesn't get faster either cuz Helm don't benefit like RL do

Idk if there's even any slow-ish team that can punish Poli p1 realistically

really just comes down to whether you need your p1 to die in 4/5 matchups for Ros or not

[gritty ridge]

I need anne

And rosanna

For my sg team

Rn im running the most cope sg imaginable

[covert lintel]

No one use anne anymore

[near plank]

Does anyone know when the next pvp shuffle is gonna happen?

[placid bloom]

like 26.5 hours or something

[tropic summit]

end of this season has SParena reshuffle

[quartz rover]

I looked forward to not being able to be c10 anymore

[tropic summit]

become pve main, you'll have more fun

else unleash the power hidden within you to catch up to the whels

https://tenor.com/view/money-gif-22552264

[placid bloom]

PvE main is the way

work towards your step 100 SR museum

[quartz rover]

maybe the day before eos

[placid bloom]

gotta get those first clears for that 575 first clear frame

[tropic summit]

or be like this guy that keeps 5 attempts to be used 2 minutes before reset

every. day.

[quartz rover]

I do that

[placid bloom]

too much effort

[quartz rover]

[placid bloom]

what if he forgets to collect outpost and it overflows

[quartz rover]

looks like that dude does none of his daily stuff

[glacial gust]

Im new to pvp what do i do?

[gritty ridge]

I do (when I get her)

[shell hazel]

anne is def an option for b2, but poli is much easier to build and get dupes for

[gritty ridge]

Im gonna run Anne b2 with maiden b3

[shell hazel]

colab/limited and not really being significantly better means I may wind up just building poli instead

[gritty ridge]

Unless I randomly pull 3 viper

Then i can just run p2 viper

[shell hazel]

you don't need 3 of her tbh, think normal viper is alright

[gritty ridge]

My priority id say is p2 viper>anne>viper>t.poli

[shell hazel]

viper is certainly easy to get as well but I don't even have her yet lol

[gritty ridge]

Me either

[shell hazel]

so I say that easy to get with a bit of

[gritty ridge]

I also dont have laplace which upsets me

I have free laplace and viper treasure, but game says I cant have either

[shell hazel]

@tropic summit doesn't seem to rate b2 viper as a good option:

blanc/xanne/naga/anchor/mari/poli

situational

want extra tanky SG with added atk buff? poli (treasure adds minimal indom)
want extra burst dmg? mari
want extra SG pressure with minor healing? naga
want revive for your sacc? xanne
want indom? blanc
want extra HP + atk buff? anchor

my concern with blanc is too slow, maybe fatally so

xanne colab so dupes are a pain later

naga kind of fine but basic

anchor similar to naga

mari colab again

[quartz rover]

they did say naga was bugged and heals 2x the amount

[placid bloom]

XAnne is better than MAnchor if you are trying to nuke, she has 77% Atk buff

she's basically RH buff

[shell hazel]

poliT looks like a reasonable option to me still and is easy for anyone to get long term and dupe out

yeah on paper she looks good I'll get a copy of xanne anyway I think just a lot of stuff to pull for upcoming and trying to MLB her vs say S.Anis might not be feasible

where S.Anis will see more usage elsewhere, and xanne is basically B2 of SG comp in CA only I think?

[placid bloom]

Idk if she's worth mlb, she is basically a CA only unit at this point and CP matters so much less

having more CP on her doesn't solve SG matchup weaknesses

[shell hazel]

true enough but I suppose it's all fairly RNG anyway

and a built PoliT could just be permanent B2 because anything you run is rng 😛

[placid bloom]

SAnis mlb only matters for SR too

[shell hazel]

yeah though I do care a bit about SR and such

as it's CA I don't necessarily want to invest into multiple SG B2 capable units, stuff like Naga and Anchor have alt usage in SR and towers

PoliT is basically CA only as well

[placid bloom]

I think XAnne is maybe okay in Nero Moran as well, she can revive Helm if she gets nuked by Ros

and that slot is usually Mana or LapT anyway

[shell hazel]

you generally want nero to b2 though

[placid bloom]

in the event Nero dies

[shell hazel]

she may get usage on a 2nd cycle round

though nero again is 20s I think 😄

[placid bloom]

or Nero stunned

[shell hazel]

right is possible with siren

but I don't see many of the top arena players running that

usually it's quiry/mana/lapT/xMaiden as the flex

[placid bloom]

lowers enemy heal too randomly

but maybe not that easy to proc

since 6 shots is very far into the fight

[shell hazel]

she's RL right?

[placid bloom]

and that's assuming no ammo lines and you are able to heal back to full after eating an AoE nuke

yeah RL

[shell hazel]

yeah a lot of stuff is situational here, I think all possible options have pros and cons

[placid bloom]

unfortunately her heal is supporter only so she doesn't get the extra 14% dmg reduc from Nero

[shell hazel]

I'll get a copy certainly she looks fun to use and maybe a future build option

but I'll likely wind up just doing PoliT to defend p5

her shield will also work to slow down helm burst gen I think if it works like it does with cindy decoy?

if helm targets her think her skill generates less?

[placid bloom]

not sure, there's not a lot of shield in arena atm to see the interaction

[shell hazel]

think we did find that cindy slows down helm burst

[placid bloom]

cuz all the other shielders suck

[gritty ridge]

Can I burst biscuit if sanis b3?

[placid bloom]

yes

that was the old meta

Moran for tankiness, Biscuit for lifesteal

probably doesn't hold up in current meta though

that team is like 3.5RL or some shit

[shell hazel]

I'm not sure how the new units are going to be when all 3 are out but presumably pve only at this point

s.anis does see some use but I think she's not that popular in the top arena tiers either?

[placid bloom]

I think SAnis Blanc is more realistic than SBS Blanc

cuz it solves the weak to Biscuit issue

[tropic summit]

viper is fine, just extra SG pressure but contributes nothing in terms of B2, an indom or atk buff or even just sustain/stalling could be considered, the core units are noir, draket, bsoda and ofc rosanna

[placid bloom]

and it's slightly faster

[glad meteor]

moran bisc sanis can 2.5 RL

[shell hazel]

nice all 3 of which I do have invested a bit, not perfect rolls but OL + dolls a bit

I guess 4 now with the edit 😄

[shell hazel]

problem is you want moran for stall comp already

[placid bloom]

[shell hazel]

we need to clone moran

think all the top 8 in my CA are running nero moran stall variants

[placid bloom]

hmm SAnis burst gen better than I expected, Biscuit 2 clip is naturally 3RL

[glad meteor]

yeah, nero moran deals with more and can beat scar jack

[shell hazel]

something like this with a battery for p4?

RH is slow here

[placid bloom]

[shell hazel]

rapu with stall

same issue with moran 😛

I am a fan of double anis though

[placid bloom]

[shell hazel]

biscuit + blanc gets pretty slow I guess

not bad

[placid bloom]

problem is this still loses to SG Ros because no Mana revive

[shell hazel]

biscuit locked +2.5RL with some cs

even better with biscuit cs

or rumani as well

ros might kill anis though then no b3 😛

[glad meteor]

gets rosa sg’d, scar jack’d. Prob not enough damage against noise cindy. Sanis kinda mid

[placid bloom]

I mean we are already running SBS Blanc still in our bracket, this is a slightly upgrade

[glad meteor]

how come?

[shell hazel]

yeah everyone running SBS Blanc in mine also

[quick lake]

both sbs and sanis mid

[placid bloom]

because you can beat Biscuit tank with SAnis

[shell hazel]

we lack Emi so...

[placid bloom]

you can't beat it with SBS

[shell hazel]

no emi indom nuke

[placid bloom]

at least not after bug fix

[glad meteor]

Sanis won’t have enough damage against noise noah cindy bisc

[shell hazel]

let me grab the teams from the person who won the last CA quick

[placid bloom]

not everyone running Noah Biscuit anymore

[glad meteor]

Though. I don’t know what biscuit defender taunters are used outside of that

[placid bloom]

there is a lot of Noise Jackal Cindy

[glad meteor]

Blanc rumani I guess

[glad meteor]

usually sanis doesn’t have enough damage aginst it

[placid bloom]

worse case scenario just use her as burst gen option that can buff Scar/Cinderella nuke dmg

[gritty ridge]

I was thinking rumani bisc sanis actually

[shell hazel]

this is the winner teams, I assumed some CS to get these speeds

the blanc/sbs team doesn't really promote much faster even with all CS and quantums on lol

cindy can't hit 2RL here

this person won 3 times, nothing amazing here maybe just lucky wins/comps, I have a lot of similar investments outside of niche units like soda

I kind of dislike jackal/noah in one team as it's very expensive

[glad meteor]

anchor is sus

Emiless bracket I guees so cope

[placid bloom]

run out of units to choose from

[shell hazel]

yes she doesn't really do much there except battery a bit

[glad meteor]

Yah

[shell hazel]

some run RH instead but it's slower

[placid bloom]

3.5 is fine speed, it's slow enough to beat 3RL mirror but not too slow that you die before Blanc can cast

[glad meteor]

Hime ran pepper I think in cindy team

[placid bloom]

it's probably losing to everything else anyway unless Ros can't one-shot SBS

[shell hazel]

so this was kind of along the lines of what I was going to run perhaps

cindy comp is basically 2.5RL, actually quantum doesn't help here on Noise at all (despite the site saying I get 2.5RL)

3RL indom is a little risky, you may do better against say 2.5RL cindy but you'll lose to 3.5RL or 4RL indom

could swap xmaiden and siren to slow indom down but then you gotta hope that noise survives 😄

this kind of thing is probably similar to what you see in your brackets as well right @placid bloom ?

[placid bloom]

ace runs 2RL SBS Jackal Blanc, I don't think anyone runs Scar Jackal anymore. They just accept the loss if they go into defending SG

[shell hazel]

can you show their teams?

[gritty ridge]

Would this maybe work?

[placid bloom]

since it has a 50% natural win rate if they get correct side anyway

[shell hazel]

curious to see if I can shake up the meta in my brackets as everyone is just copying the same teams 😄

[gritty ridge]

It can only get to 2.5rl but team seems decent

[shell hazel]

I've run 2RL sbs/blanc before, it works OK but loses to 3RL indom 😄

[placid bloom]

on mobile so no editing

[shell hazel]

problem is you got half the stall comp there and therefore you may just lose to a proper stall again lol

[shell hazel]

thanks I'll edit into a deck quick

[gritty ridge]

Any tips on how to improve?

[shell hazel]

btw I see potential issues with soda ver of scar comp with low ammo count

jackal link probably solves it but yeah

[placid bloom]

he used to Scar Soda but it doesn't actually have better win rate than Scar RH

it's around the same win rate overall I think across the 5 meta matchups

because you beat Noise Noah 2.5 but you lose to Moran 2.5

not enough damage to kill without a real B1

and sometimes you don't even beat Noise Noah 2.5 if they are on Biscuit Rumani

[shell hazel]

that cindy comp is high invest to get to 2.5RL with the CS

all 4 units need 15% CS or so

[placid bloom]

he is rich, that is not an issue

[shell hazel]

the rest look more reasonable to achieve

I'm guessing that is his speeds/setup

my issue with the soda ver is the ammo, if you have 20 ammo base and you don't have any extra, scar will stop to reload, and burst gen dies with it lol

[placid bloom]

yeah roughly. Tempering lv8 on entire Nero Moran too for 73% dmg reduc

with 100% on Nero

[shell hazel]

yeah, my tempura cube is being updated asap

without jackal you have something like this

[placid bloom]

well you get counters

so don't need that many quants

[shell hazel]

counters add burst gen as well?

[placid bloom]

I still think you run Soda p2, there's not enough strong water RL to punish tbh

[shell hazel]

not an unbuilt one though

if she's SR-5 and built a bit maybe

this is how the burst gen looks (I guess not including counters)

issue is the scarlet gen assumes no reload ever lol

can see this is assuming 26 scarlet hits, so if the counters are reliable you can still get it

but if it's rng and you could get none in 2RL then you'll be a bit short unless scar reloads

[placid bloom]

I still haven't checked if 32 ammo is safe in CA

cuz I tried 32 ammo in rookie and I got stunned

[shell hazel]

it is as we understand it as long as you don't have siren to burst and add ammo

[placid bloom]

but could just be rookie being rookie

[gritty ridge]

Wouldn't unlinked scar be susceptible to attacker sg?

[shell hazel]

trina

[placid bloom]

only against defender

[gritty ridge]

Ah I forgot trina invul

[placid bloom]

because against attacker, Trina invin and link gets dispelled at same time

[shell hazel]

soda will stun some stuff too

[placid bloom]

the main issue is if your Scar too strong

you can kill them with just counters

and then you die to Ros nuke

[shell hazel]

my point btw was that at 20 ammo the hits after this don't happen until reload is done

[gritty ridge]

Team is weak against bay in general but not much you can do against that

[shell hazel]

so depending how much counters adds, you could be short for 2RL without jackal adding some

[placid bloom]

it's still 40% natural win rate into Bay so at least it's not 0%

[shell hazel]

I lost scar into bay in last CA 😦

was the same comp aceross had above

2RL Bay doomed me lol

[gritty ridge]

We do have t.bay to worry abt as well now

[placid bloom]

just get lucky and stun her not even that hard

[gritty ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/kolow-gif-22856605

Do we have a win rate for t.bay stall or is it too new

[placid bloom]

the % chance you win doesn't matter if you just win the one time you get your champ run

[gritty ridge]

I wanna compare t.bay stall to nero stall, cuz t.bay counter scar, helm, and cindy

Loses to sg tho

[shell hazel]

I can't really run the ace teams myself too much CS still needed for the cindy version

and I can't sub in Mana for the stall comp over LapT or XMaiden either

3RL cindy would be a bit risky

[umbral belfry]

gimme

[gritty ridge]

Oh hime, youre here

Ive got a question for ya

[umbral belfry]

I'm about to drive home but yes hi bigboi

[gritty ridge]

Do you happen to have a nero moran in your rookie?

[umbral belfry]

unfortunately not

and even if they did I would likely cp gap them

[radiant storm]

Can I ask if who's better?
X. Anne 7/7/10
Or
Trina 5/7/7

Dunno about X. Anne's 77% Attack buff vs Attack Damage on Trina buff

[umbral belfry]

trina imo. seems more important vs xanne

ideally trina would want 10s but that's longer down the road

if you're asking who's more important for scar as well it's trina

[radiant storm]

Yes, its for Scar

Scar, Laplace, Trina, Rapu, Jackal is the comp

[umbral belfry]

then trina would be far more ideal. not saying xanne is bad for scar, but trina is basically FOR scar. very very very rarely will you see scar and trina not together always

[fathom rock]

I do

But it's complicated

BayT moran helmT rapu nero

Has cs

[gritty ridge]

Oh thats an interesting choice for stall

I wanted to do a direct test of bayT vs nero

[umbral belfry]

iirc from rosy's vid that diff var. lost to the OG nero stall var.

but it is another option sure

granted if your nero + moran + rapu isn't invested I wouldn't bother imo

[gritty ridge]

Well im potentially gonna be investing into moran rumani t.helm bayT b.soda/t.lap

So i wanna see how well it does

[umbral belfry]

better than uninvested nero stall

but you're gonna get smacked by an invested one

[gritty ridge]

Think so?

[umbral belfry]

I know so from previous CA matched and testing

[twilit bay]

I've fought against Moran/Bay with Moran/Nero
I won, they had quite a bit more cp

[gritty ridge]

It does counter double buff scar tho where as nero moran doesnt

[umbral belfry]

vs an invested nero stall 2 rl moran bay gets both outstalled and outdamaged

[umbral belfry]

nero moran can but its riskier vs 2rl moran bay

both teams have their ups and down s

[gritty ridge]

The only big issue i can see from moran bay is maybe indom sbs and sg teams

[umbral belfry]

you're cooked vs indom sbs where nero stall isn't. but if sgs attack moran instead of t5 you'll highly likely win

well actually indom sbs depends on that team's speed

[worthy knoll]

So it seems.. SAnis S2 is also doubling

[umbral belfry]

yeah you should be winning, if it was the latter then

[quartz rover]

was good while it lasted, won't take it from him