pvp-arena

[fathom rock]

Bottom is more likely to kill unprotected blanc, other than that pray

[quartz rover]

2 ol, 3 when I get the gear to level it

[tropic summit]

arms and head?

[quartz rover]

ye

[tropic summit]

oh wonderful

[fathom rock]

@wicked horizon

[tropic summit]

she could be lethal then

[wicked horizon]

Yes, thank you, I saw the response.

[fathom rock]

Making sure

[quartz rover]

i've seen her nuke teams before

I dont doubt she's lethal for most teams when buffed

but yeah I have sr, sg, smg, ar but no mg and rl R dolls

[tropic summit]

check CP with these 2

gonna be your ein double buff debut

if CP allows, we can make it into natural 2RL

which should remove the doubt blanc casts in time

box: #pvp-arena message

[quartz rover]

One sec

I'm saving the images that work and just put it beside the name for the people it worked on lmao

[tropic summit]

ye that's a common practice

if opponent doesn't change teams you can doublecheck what you used before

You should take these opportunities to experiment with CP and Speed, as they can help you gradually learn how to build teams on your own.

[quartz rover]

The pvp tierlist helps a bit, explains a bit more what each good nikke does for pvp and what it shouldn't go into

Like generally you dont wanna maiden a jackal team

[tropic summit]

correct

avoid feeding jackal whenever possible

[jagged mesa]

Biting my ankles?! More like swinging down with a mallet I stood no chance

That said, is rookie reset swinging around soon? I still haven't had much time to pay attention

[umbral belfry]

now tell me why i imagined the tom and jerry and it's just the screaming cat meme 😭

[umbral belfry]

yup yup today is the last day before reshuffle. and then sp will follow

[jagged mesa]

Oh wow

Ok see you in 2 days

[tropic summit]

T2 153 vs 120
T3 156 vs 143

you're in range

in fact T2 is with 22% deficit in favour

[quartz rover]

For defense what do I wanna aim for anyway

[tropic summit]

let's try push T3 to 2RL and see how it affects ur CP

[quartz rover]

It'll go down by probably 20k if rrh is removed

[eager mountain]

In short, Slotting ur hard metas with enough cp

Tho not for ur sync lol nvm

[tropic summit]

try change
ein blanc rh centi jackal
into
ein drake rh trina jackal

this team is extremely likely to be promoted to 2RL via noir, blanc and rrh feed

[tropic summit]

yep works fine

record if you can and run them

[umbral belfry]

LMAOOO

[tropic summit]

if you wanna go the extra mile, run T3 in union range shooting first or any campaign map

go to the menu once fight starts and check jumping jackal buff is applied to ein

that's mandatory to ensure she lives to burst

based on invest it should be already that way, but the method above confirms it

[quartz rover]

Yeah I got pushed back to d1 after reset

[tropic summit]

ok

your ein is usable, that was single buff ein

but on 2RL, means the fastest speed in general

[quartz rover]

So basically once she's 4ol I wont need to double buff and raise my speed

[tropic summit]

think we also just found out def teams you could be running

[tropic summit]

nah ein unfortunately needs 2 buffs to ensure lethal

and it won't be lethal against B1s like noise or moran that can cast in time

[quartz rover]

Oh so that's why theyre good? They're b1 so they can do their taunty tank stuff before you can burst 3

If same speed atleast

[placid bloom]

they can be in time even if they're slower

[quartz rover]

Ill wait for c5 to stabilize cause c2 got pushed to c5 after the reset

[tropic summit]

for defense change to these

T1 will be ur best team
T2 will be cope until you've better cards, but can still work
T3 is pure CP pad with a tad of speed to land a RRH lucky burst on 5RL

obviously, get helm treasured asap

[quartz rover]

Yeah I'm working on it, the gacha hates me

Got helm after she left treasure stuff, saved spare body for her

So is biscuit not too well in defense and is mainly made to attack vs specific teams even with deficit?

[tropic summit]

your problem there is CP

your biscuit has less CP than an SR unit, anis

if we were to use her, she'd tank your CP giving opponent easier time to CP gap you

[quartz rover]

[tropic summit]

making a meta team absolutely useless (like we did earlier with 31% deficit)

[quartz rover]

I think its hilarious just sending the A-campaign team vs a meta team beat them just cause deficit

[tropic summit]

ye the game has a very dumb arena system

and that's not even the worst part

the real bad part is having unlimited attempts which allows even an unskilled or non-knowledgable opponent to keep running things until they happen to work

(for spenders)

[quartz rover]

Yeah I figured that out when I got to c2

[tropic summit]

yup

[quartz rover]

Too bad there isnt a try limit

[tropic summit]

that or a maximun attempt for the same player

e.g. you cannot attack same player more than 3 times (in 24hrs)

[quartz rover]

That works too, so if youre at a rank and get knocked down and take it back you can keep it

[tropic summit]

or after failing to attack twice succesfully

this would prevent brute force at least

the other problem is campers or the 24/7 sweaties

some ppl actively monitor your schedule and then attack when they know you're off several hours

or sniping pre reset to force you to gem for a 3rd attempt if both are trading equally

[quartz rover]

[tropic summit]

if anyone would ask what's the most toxic pvp i've experienced, nikke does take the top spots

[quartz rover]

Like ill snipe a dude before maintenance but that schedule thing is weird

[limber patrol]

who wins?

so far this is my guess...

[quartz rover]

maybe I should invest for the chihuahua

[random field]

is centi good for pvp?

[limber patrol]

must have

For her burst generation.

[glad meteor]

Be stuck with people you can’t even interact with because of sync diff

And gatelock content where it’s somewhat fair but with limited interactions

But oh well, I’m getting clapped by mc in pve

110m away from s9

Even learned pause scum on mobile to hit the slippers

[quartz rover]

why do they love this channel

<@&946725432554836008>

[dim escarp]

<@&946725432554836008>

[fathom rock]

This come in many other channels too but dyno does dyno things on them

[quartz rover]

I bet they could dyno them in here if they filter images named 1 2 3 and 4

although I think they post links to the images that embed to the numbers

[spare nimbus]

is this a dumb team?

[placid bloom]

what happens if Anis doesn't die

[spare nimbus]

uh

i die ig 😂

[tropic summit]

not bad teams per se, but are you fine CP wise on T3? 3 utilities generally spell low CP

even more so if SR unit

as for emilia... single buff can be facetanked

[spare nimbus]

probably not

[tropic summit]

you can refer to these for ideas, both are very strong and tedious:

#pvp-arena message
#pvp-arena message

[spare nimbus]

thanks

i guess it is time to build soda

[fathom rock]

Win?

[spare nimbus]

if soda bursts and hits siren, will that be quick enough to stop her from stunning p1?

[fathom rock]

If 2rl yes

Cs and ammo management also team formation ahould counter a lot of siren stunning tho

[spare nimbus]

for a noah noise team, 5-6% faster cs on noah will make noise get stunned instead right?

[hollow lagoon]

Soda stun is random no?

[spare nimbus]

yeah

[fathom rock]

Yea

[spare nimbus]

what if u have more than that

4 charge speed lines

all 4%+

[fathom rock]

Latest taunt here applies, if the difference is 16% noise would still get stunned but if fight drags long enough noah will fire extea shot, nott hat you have to worry about that

[spare nimbus]

ok

[umbral belfry]

eat that corn

[fathom rock]

On the cob

I have 1 defense lefy ill save it for zan he should attack when he wakes up in a few hours

I can sleep in peace now

[spare nimbus]

can someone plz help explain this to me

[unique wagon]

Hi cookie

[spare nimbus]

can someone plz help explain this to me

[unique wagon]

So u escaped here after I talked about that google phrase

[umbral belfry]

[umbral belfry]

what is it you don't understand about it?

[spare nimbus]

where exactly it shows my burst speed

and how moran feeds my team from a 2.5 rl to 2rl

ok i see the blue vertical line is when i burst

[umbral belfry]

the first blue dot way at the bottom shows that nero + moran will feed the scar jack team to 2rl. the 4th and final blue dot is when scar bursts, while the 2nd red dot is when moran bursts (assuming no cs on helm)

so from this picture alone, scar will burst before moran if we assume the helm has no cs

if you hover over the red dots you can see burst timings either by seconds or frames

@dense kindle

[spare nimbus]

i see

[unique wagon]

Its a timeline. I think red is top, blue is bottom.

[umbral belfry]

you can play around with cs too (either your team or the opponent) by clicking on the cog symbol on the top right of the unit pic

[dense kindle]

Hi @umbral belfry
-# Can i be your student?

[umbral belfry]

i am not ready to be a teacher

[spare nimbus]

wtf how did u do that

[dense kindle]

-# do what
You do -# and then type whatever after

[spare nimbus]

-# i understand it now

[gritty ridge]

I can be your teacher

You wanna learn how to give rail an aneurysm?

[umbral belfry]

-#

aw

[dense kindle]

Other way around sorry -# before the message

[umbral belfry]

-#

[gritty ridge]

Little pog

Ok hime hear me out

[unique wagon]

This means enemy burst in <2 RL, u burst at before 3 RL

[umbral belfry]

as much as i love raven and want her to work in pvp, it's

[unique wagon]

It doesnt show u the B1 B2 B3 timings though for some reason

[gritty ridge]

I gotchu

[umbral belfry]

it does you have to manually hover over the dots

[umbral belfry]

example

[gritty ridge]

Harran cooking

[umbral belfry]

i'm almost certain harran needs an atk boost like rh to be lethal

[gritty ridge]

Harran needs extreme amounts of cope to be used in general

[umbral belfry]

[gritty ridge]

Shes just bad

[unique wagon]

Their UI sucks

[dense kindle]

Not ready to be teacher but teaching

[umbral belfry]

it took me a bit to get used to it

[umbral belfry]

nap time\

[dense kindle]

Okey have nice nap

[gritty ridge]

Nah bad, no blanc link

[unique wagon]

I want the bunny tag

Pls dont remove it till I get nitro

[unique wagon]

Not enuf dmg

[unique wagon]

Move Harran to P1 then

[upper grove]

now that some time has passed: Which treasure is better for CA, Bay or Poli?

[unique wagon]

Neither

[raven plover]

I do bay because shes at least still useful on SP

[unique wagon]

SR 15 all other units that ure guaranteed using

Start with them dps and tanks

Then u can treasure bay and poli if u want

[upper grove]

alright

[upper grove]

do you defend with her or just on attack?

[raven plover]

I def with her yea

[umbral crown]

Bay

[upper grove]

she still works like pre treasure right? nothing changed

[umbral crown]

You will use her more than poli

[umbral crown]

Better, she also heals

[upper grove]

neat

[umbral crown]

Check her skills

[umbral crown]

This is not like when dolls were introduced, at this point people have 15+ SR15 includimg dps, tanks and supports

[fathom rock]

@tropic summit

I leave game for 30m he attack

[upper grove]

now that she can rebuild cover, I can safely place her p1/p2? I remember earlier that I had to place her somewhere safe so her cover won't get destroyed

[fathom rock]

As long as cover doesnt die

[umbral crown]

Thats with phase 3

Which might take you a while

Im like 8 days away from bay phase 3

[fathom rock]

Treasuring bay is just to put her p1?

[upper grove]

I already finished tove p3 so I'm checking which treasure I'm building next

[umbral crown]

Bay will help you more in SP/CA than poli

[upper grove]

are bay teams usually 2RL or are 3RL teams also fine?

[fathom rock]

I can see that

[umbral crown]

They are

[fathom rock]

I just cant see why exactly treasure bay if she work without it

[unique wagon]

Its Yonexxi

[umbral crown]

[ionic rose]

[umbral crown]

But does not do the same at all

[unique wagon]

[ionic rose]

i need to do a test can u gimme ur region and id?

[fathom rock]

Heals from s1 and cover rebuild hmm

[upper grove]

Bay and Noah, interesting

[fathom rock]

Wha?

[umbral crown]

Thats just a weird cook for CA

But bay works fine

[unique wagon]

🫥

Bro went straight to the point

[fathom rock]

Invest bayt or nero first

[umbral crown]

Bay cuz nero is more expensive

[glad meteor]

Many senseis here

[ionic rose]

so basically i want to send a guy on my nikke friend list a monthly pass but i need someone to verify that it works before i send it to him so kise told me to give it to you

[umbral crown]

But nt senpais

[fathom rock]

Hmm
05318282
Na

[unique wagon]

I thought youre Global since when did u move

[fathom rock]

I play both

[upper grove]

so many accs to mald with

[ionic rose]

u got it?

[unique wagon]

Honestly tho Midasbuy is the worst 3rd party place to buy Nikke stuff

[fathom rock]

How to check

[ionic rose]

which one should i use?

[unique wagon]

Jacked up prices

[unique wagon]

No shit open ur NA account

Bros never had monthly before

[fathom rock]

I am logged in lol

[unique wagon]

Open cash shop go to monthly tab

[fathom rock]

Thats true

[ionic rose]

or check monthly pass and see if the time extended?

[unique wagon]

"extended"

You think he has monthly pass

[fathom rock]

?

[unique wagon]

6th tab

[ionic rose]

go back to main screen and see if u get gems

[upper grove]

retro with paid gems on his acc

[unique wagon]

Rip

[fathom rock]

I have 330 paid gems now

:RedSTARE:

[unique wagon]

Restart

[ionic rose]

ok go back to that monthly page and check again

[fathom rock]

Me restarting

[unique wagon]

Guys Retro is no longer F2P. I HAVE SUCCESSFULLY TARNISHED HIM.

[fathom rock]

[unique wagon]

Good job @ionic rose

[ionic rose]

so literally i gave Retro the first 330 paid gems he ever had wow

[unique wagon]

jk nah I was just being kind to him he needs it more than me

[ionic rose]

i mean i see his 94k gems

[fathom rock]

Yessir, thank you

[unique wagon]

Have u seen my gems

U dont want to

[fathom rock]

Laughs in 500k+

[ionic rose]

but do u get any mail to see who u got it from?

[unique wagon]

No

[ionic rose]

YES I DO KISE SHOW ME YOUR GEMS!

[fathom rock]

It just shows up

[unique wagon]

I have purchased outside Nikke and there was no notif

[ionic rose]

go in your monthly shop again see if it updated

[fathom rock]

I think it did

[ionic rose]

i see so the guy will be confused about where his pass came from lmao

nice

[upper grove]

I didn't even know this was possible

[fathom rock]

A surprise jumpscare

Thankies

[ionic rose]

hes gonna think he got hacked LOL

[ionic rose]

[upper grove]

retro can finally claim f2p btw

[hollow eagle]

🐳

[fathom rock]

[unique wagon]

Monthly card here costs $3.6 btw

U cant buy it without Indonesian payment provider though

[ionic rose]

thats cheep actually its $4.99 for me

[unique wagon]

Ok now u add each other so our mutual friend count increases by +1

[fathom rock]

Sure, seems you like that number go up for some reason

[unique wagon]

Thats default

[unique wagon]

Yes Snake and I have 27 I think

Hey its 2 and 17 now

[fathom rock]

App gallery has a server

[swift mango]

You aren't bricked at all

[languid wigeon]

can someone help me w some pvp teams

[fathom rock]

What gave you the impression my na is bricked

[fathom rock]

Defense in spa?

[languid wigeon]

wdym?

[fathom rock]

You need defense teams for special arena?

[languid wigeon]

ye and offense teams

idk if my units are good enough for pvp yet tho

[fathom rock]

Ein/drake/blanc/rapunzel/centi
Noise/pepper/anis/cinderella/noir
Liter/rrh/sdoro/crown/siren
For defense, keeo same order and see how this holds up

For attack you can use same or ask someone here to make an attack comp to counter a specific team

Would be best if you dont use def comps for attack

[gritty ridge]

Ok im a new player, I just finished ch 2, how do I win pvp

[languid wigeon]

n102 rapi mihara anis exia

[languid wigeon]

ok thx

[umbral crown]

[umbral crown]

Press auto and hope for the best

[onyx scaffold]

i was fixing my drake for next SR but ig she wants to play pvp

[umbral crown]

Its a sign

[calm zealot]

can anyone help me make def 3 team

[spiral onyx]

https://youtu.be/9kB9FAPV_jk?si=_3jLPut_BGuphkbh

[gritty ridge]

Yippee

My only usable b1 are rosanna and rh, right?

[quartz rover]

Beat they ass

N102

[gritty ridge]

Why would I use n102 in pvp

[quartz rover]

because youre now a new player

Now I can bully you and feel better about myself although im not too far ahead

[gritty ridge]

I have 3 b1s better than n102

[quartz rover]

youre not supposed to know that

Also id just usr rh or liter for the team because they'll be used for your campaign anyway, right?

[gritty ridge]

Im using rosanna for rookie atm cuz she gives a bunch of gen

Unless theres other people there who know what they're doing my team should win most battles

[umbral crown]

@gritty ridge

[gritty ridge]

I dont have the mats to get her sr15

[covert lintel]

Why 774

[umbral crown]

but she is your waifu, she must bw the first to be SR15

[gritty ridge]

Nah on my main shes sr5 c7 atm

I just havent had the spare mats

[covert lintel]

Your waifu love me

[umbral crown]

then not your real waifu

[umbral crown]

nice

thats the profile they should have once an unit is treasured, like in nikke deck but in game

will use her CA S10

every season you should use new cooks and hope for the best

[swift mango]

I forgive you Elegg. Just need you to drop 4 more times and my account is perfect.

[covert lintel]

[umbral crown]

[onyx scaffold]

3 guys in my brackets buy cd packs daily

[gritty ridge]

[oblique ridge]

And shuffle might bring a 4th

[onyx scaffold]

Nah the 4th one hasn't login for 6 months and his sync is still 15 level higher than me

Tldr my bracket cannot get worse

[quartz rover]

He'll be returning for anniversary. I almost guarantee you

[oblique ridge]

Or if he’s a closet simp for any of the Absolute, he’s going to come back for this event

[fast jetty]

my CP is not enough possibly, but is this p1 scar p2 siren p3 noah legit?

[glad glade]

Just to be sure, one opposing SG isn’t enough to force a 2 RL Scar-Jack team into a 1.5 RL, correct?

[quick lake]

dont think so

[swift mango]

triple banner. I guess we will have quintet banner soon.

[glad glade]

Perfect, thanks. Just looking at this matchup and something is bothering me about it. Noah team should win unless top has some uber tier CS lines (beyond 15%) on all RLs

[gritty ridge]

Is Noah linked?

[glad glade]

Highly likely no. Cindy and Viper would be linked

Its also how Viper won’t get S2’ed to death, so there’s that at least

[gritty ridge]

Thats what I thought, not getting as much feed as they could

There's a small chance Noah ends up dying tbh

[glad glade]

Yeah. I see what they were trying to do but its just weird. Better to swap viper and jack’s positions

[glad glade]

Probably, but I doubt it. One Scar isn’t strong enough to take down a Max cored SR 15 Noah within 2 RLs

[gritty ridge]

Unless scar has some hyper atk lines i dont think she will

But theres always a chance

[glad glade]

RNG Arena babyyyy 👍

[gritty ridge]

Yippeee

[glad glade]

But yeah, highly likely that bottom wins correct?

[gritty ridge]

Yeah id say so

There's no antinuke on the scar trina team, so matching with cindy was bad luck

They needed siren or soda

[glad glade]

Perfect. I’m probably just overthinking it too much. This is your brain on CA cheer gambling for 4 months straight

[glad glade]

I should probably get my own Soda up. Can’t use Siren because she would ruin my perfect 31 ammo Scar

[gritty ridge]

Could always add an extra layer of rng and p2/p5 rapu

[glad glade]

I love gambling

[gritty ridge]

P5 rapu depends on defending sg if attacking and snipers if defending

P2 is higher chance of getting her stun

[glad glade]

This is for Scar teams right?

Cause ik that p5 rapu in stall teams have a massive problem with defending SGs, but then again a SG team with decent water units can kill nero when they’re attacking

[gritty ridge]

Scar teams you should go soda if you wanna counter typical cindy

Scar, soda, trina, battery, jackal

[glad glade]

Gotchu gotchu. Just that alone makes Soda pretty desirable. Thanks man!

[gritty ridge]

[covert lintel]

If noah has a higher core than cindy then it's linked

[glad glade]

I doubt that Noah is linked. Cindy is Core 6 and has like more than 300k more CP

Still, I do hope you’re right. If so, thats more or less the final nail in the coffin

My cheers will finally bring me the silver frame. My mother whale, you’ll be home soon

[whole pawn]

i hae no clue what xanne does, is she good? what doe she do? and what teams u could use her on?

[oblique ridge]

In high speed pvp fights, XAnne is mainly used for:

• On burst, she revives a dead Attacker (if any)
• On burst, she heals all Attackers (if any)
• On burst, she buffs all Attackers (if any) to have more ATK

So in a comp like the standard all-SGs with BSoda/Drake/Xanne/Rosanna/Noir, she basically buffs, heals, and rezzes somebody, for the whole team because everyone except XAnne is an Attacker

[whole pawn]

i see, so she s a must for pvp?

[oblique ridge]

Nah, I guess. Some players don’t have her

They instead use Poli and Viper in the all-SGs team. Do Not Treasure Either One, though

Treasure Poli is rumored to brick her for PvP (as soon as p1, bricked already!), and treasure Viper leads to Viper changing her from being B2 to B2 re-entry (at p3, so some players stop at p2). B2 re-entry means she’s ruined for most PvP teams including SGs unless you gamble with your real B2 not dying too soon.

There’s currently no way to, uh, “turn off” treasure or phases. And it’s just rumors regarding Poli - in later posts, at least Blood says it’s overblown.

[whole pawn]

i didn't think about using both in pvp

[swift mango]

There is no poli bricked, don't spread misinform.

Unless it's some new bug I don't know about.

[oblique ridge]

See above forwarded post

It doesn’t say in the forward but if you tap the link to the forwarded post, the author is Keripo

[swift mango]

1 more target to 4 doesn't mean much in where she is used: CA.

And treasure Poli is best at p4-5 to guard against other SG in a SG team.

Keripo was just fear mongering.

[oblique ridge]

Well, it’s relative

You can still use Viper even if she’s re-entry B2 for example

Like how you can also still use Poli even if she has that “burst gen feeding” shield up

[swift mango]

I would say who ever saying Treasure Poli = Bricked is an idiot. that's it

[oblique ridge]

He’s referring to, that it can accidentally help the opponent burst much faster than they should, basically, and while that alone isn’t sufficient to guarantee your team will always lose… he seems to believe it’s a big, big detriment. Like Cindy p1.

Though some players took to using Cindy p1 to their advantage.

I think he’s correct, assuming the comp didn’t adjust to this problem

Consider these teams fighting Poli SGs:
Scarlet Trina (with or without Jackal)
Cindy (with full RL team)
Emilia

They all would actually appreciate bursting much faster than expected

At least, when up against Poli SGs

Only Nero Moran wouldn’t care

And I’m not sure what new teams are out and about now, there are probably a few, I missed 2 CAs scenes Didn’t pay attention to comps

So if it’a situation where one’s Poli SGs team went from - “fighting chance” to “no chance” - that’s definitely bricking

[swift mango]

In the current meta, there is basically zero team than jump 1rl with just 5 target for RL rather than 4. Aside from occasionally some Jackal+Blanc that already defending on feed that SG team already feed much more than enough already.

The rest is just fear monger of losing to some random trash team.

[oblique ridge]

What about half RL jump?

Hmm, we can probably use Nikke-Deck to calculate it by taking a RL unit’s burst gen then adding the amount they expect from hitting only p1

So if it’s 3.5-7.1, it becomes 10.6 (numbers made up for example)

[swift mango]

That's CS department.
Anyway, you could call it occasionally demerit. But it's no where near a brick.

[swift mango]

It's +25% for RL only (Emi +16.66%) not whole team. There is no such jump.

Okay, also +50-100% for RH and Alice

[oblique ridge]

nvm, Nikke-Deck only shows one value. I forgot that feed burst gen %s have this one-or-two hits but not the standard burst gens

And no practical way to see it with Nikke-Deck either. It doesn’t show 1RL or 1.5RL burst gen

[fathom rock]

Jackal is 3.55 per 10 hits and scarlet is rng iirc

[swift mango]

One counter = 0.4. 30% chance to happen. Just pray.

[quick lake]

iirc, u cant jump up an RL with 5x opponent RLs. U need a non-RL unit in the opponent team to benefit from feed

[oblique ridge]

Would need actual burst gen per hit to determine this better, I’ve no idea how Noise divides hers even if I determine that’s she’s 5.6% in 1RL

Is it supposed to be 2.8% per hit?

Which makes her go from 5.6% to 8.4% assuming a p1 Poli with treasure

[swift mango]

Just make your team and math it. Not that hard.

You could check burst gen in 1 RL in the sheet or just take one unit and /2 it's number at 2rl

[oblique ridge]

Trina’s 15.07%, halved is 7.535%. p1 Poli treasure makes this 22.605%

14.86% for Anis. Halved is 7.43%. Becomes 22.29%

13.605% for Rumani. Halved is 6.8025%. Becomes 20.4075%?

And Cindy stays 1.8% I guess, in 2RL. She can’t hit in 1RL I think

[quick lake]

should be less

[oblique ridge]

So adding them together this way, it’s:
Noise: 8.4%
Trina: 22.605%
Anis: 22.29%
Rumani: 20.4075%
Cindy: 0%

[quick lake]

15.07% Trina 2RL
1RL = 7.535% (2 nikkes, 2 covers)
1 object = 7.88375%
5 targets *5

[oblique ridge]

73.7% or so

Still short of 1RL by about 27%, and the team will wait until 2RL to land another hit / charge speed bounded

[fathom rock]

PoliT increase burst gen by 1.5x?

[quick lake]

1.25x

Same as P2 Cindy

[oblique ridge]

Oh, it was counting cover too?

[fathom rock]

Oh lol but ofc rl only

[fathom rock]

Yeah cover also a target

[quick lake]

Yep! Burst gen values in nikke-deck, assumes basic 2 nikke, 2 cover being hit by standard RL splash

[oblique ridge]

That does bring it down if cover was a hittable factor

RIP, seems like it barely matters then for this particular team

[oblique ridge]

What’s the 5 targets *5 for?

Oh

2 nikkes, 2 covers, and 1 poli shield

Wait, that’s 39% burst gen from Trina. More than even my flawed calculation?

[quick lake]

yeah, my math seems kinda wrong somewhere
Trina base burst gen is 3.6%
So 4x target * 2 projectiles = 3.6% x 4 x 2 = 28.8%

[oblique ridge]

Ah

[quick lake]

so accounting for Poli's shield should be: 3.6 x 5 x 2 = 36%

[oblique ridge]

In 2RL though right?

Not 1RL

[quick lake]

yep, that's 2RL

[oblique ridge]

Yeah, Blood is likely right and the only way this can be taken advantage of is if somebody had a “not a 2RL or a “not a 2.5RL” team that promotes to being so just because of Poli shield

And odds aren’t in favor of that being the primary reason for losing, I guess, in CA blind lineup format

Though I daresay if Poli treasure becomes a thing, a CA group that’s used to seeing Poli just might adapt to it and make teams that intends to promote if there’s a Poli treasure

But we aren’t anywhere near that yet unless somebody already wants to make such teams And they’re more likely to gimp themselves trying to do so if their teams don’t even actually run into Poli treasure

[shell hazel]

I'm still considering but I think Poli just gets pigeon holed into one role she's good at, defending the flank

you can run her at p1 but you do risk speeding up your opponents a bit

I am still debating myself whether to treasure poli or not for this reason, she will work fine and you'll be glad you put her on flank defence if you meet a SG team who is defending against your attack

[oblique ridge]

But then what’s your team vs the rest of the possible matchups?
BSoda, Drake, Noir, Rosanna, Poli?

[glad meteor]

doubt that. There’s only one poli and 4 other teams to beat.

Poli and moran are annoying since you can’t predict if you’re on atk/def, you can only cover one side

[swift mango]

Use both

[glad meteor]

The only time it could make a difference in the current meta is against a scar team that forgot quantum.

People run cindy with jackal, or run siren version.
Scar team is already 2rl, or sg feed propels it to 2rl anyway
blanc emi reach’s 2.5 with CS and quantum, leaping to 2rl is kinda impossible

[shell hazel]

basically this yes.
I am considering going more for xAnne myself as a general b2 but Poli is certainly still a decent option

even if her shield/flank def isn't used she's still an extra SG for the team and will still act as the b2

xAnne is a more expensive one and say you can MLB her, you can't really ever push to c7 unless you're mega whaling, which I wouldn't be doing, best I could get her to was MLB

gotta see what units come out and how many pulls I have in the end

[scarlet adder]

do i win? blanc get stunned so i think she wont even b2

[shell hazel]

she will get stunned by siren then RH b2

[scarlet adder]

yeah i think this will be the case

seems like easy win

[simple beacon]

Can anyone help me build team for pvp

[simple beacon]

This is the list that I don’t have

[tropic summit]

to build your teams with CP and invest in mind we need to see your box with nikke ordered by strength
in case you just want reference to build your own, you can check these
#pvp-arena message

or these advanced ones
#pvp-arena message

[hollow lagoon]

noah cindy biscuit team it seems

@simple beacon noah, biscuit, cinderella, redhood/noise, rumani/jackal/centi/anis/Xmaiden(only if noise)

[simple beacon]

It’s so confusing building a team myself

[simple beacon]

For attack or def?

[hollow lagoon]

not much of a choice u have right at this monent do u

[simple beacon]

Yes

[hollow lagoon]

use it for both

if u dont wanna get destroyed in pvp u prob should treasure her tho

[simple beacon]

My only limited resources rn is credit, I rarely level up skill

[hollow lagoon]

oh u have emilia

[simple beacon]

Still halfway somewhere around 100~

[hollow lagoon]

what u want is her skill 1 anyways

for pvp, no reason to wait for 160

if u have emilia then ur an old account,

[simple beacon]

I have a lot of puppet thingy too

[hollow lagoon]

emilia changes things

prob better to replace cinderella with emilia but i have no idea how to build that team as i dont have her

[coarse solstice]

Please treasure Helm 🙏

[hollow lagoon]

but since u have emilia, ur account is so old that your bracket is filled with meta teams, u will struggle at best kek

if u have a lot of dolls you should prob start using them

doll-less helm sbs naga hurts my eyes

[tropic summit]

this... is a mess, but can be salvaged for what it's worth (you're bricked, emilia on synchro 272 means you took break/breaks)

nihil naga cindy centi noise
emilia blanc rh noir jackal
crown biscuit alice pepper drake

put jackal in synchro, get her to 4OL (maxed body and legs), get her doll R15 into SR5 (push to SR15 asap)

wishlist trina, rumani, scarlet, noah
get helm treasured yesterday, get ur teams reviewed once helm is ready (stage 2, s1 lvl 10 minimun)

[hollow lagoon]

@tropic summit is such a chad

i saw that and i'm like maybe should summon galactus

this world is lost

i guess i can never be a hero

[coarse solstice]

Rail out here saving lives

[flat ermine]

thoughts on this match up in ca ? Unsure about 1 and 5

[tropic summit]

who's attacker and who's defender

[flat ermine]

also match 3 bay could counter rei but since she will never burst it is not an issue, no ?

left attack

[tropic summit]

both T3 are kinda ultra cope

[tropic summit]

looks like a 3-2 for left

keep in mind T1 has RNG factors:

-reload timing
-blanc dying to scar s2

in general the faster indom loses, but fire rate and reload timing can also be decisive factors

[hollow lagoon]

Question is which one are you

[swift mango]

Rather than CS, it's more likely for Noah or Cindy to die before they burst. But still unlikely.

[whole pawn]

man dia1 was hard to maintain, now i am dia 2

[hollow lagoon]

I’m waiting for new chapters to drop so I can use my crates aaaaaaa

People in my bracket is getting closer

[shell hazel]

not really lol

you're probably still 80+ levels ahead 😄

worrying about nothin

[hollow lagoon]

Yeah but I was 100 ahead

These guys might have 20+ charge speed on their units which mean I’ll be doomed

[covert lintel]

@tropic summit did you get the report on yesterday prediction?
Or he disappeared completely after asking

[hollow lagoon]

@shell hazel wonder what new cube we gonna get

Or if we get new cube at all Lel

[shell hazel]

two new lost sectors gotta be new cubes

[shell hazel]

+40 or +60 levels would be enough to stop most people dead lol

[covert lintel]

This new cube hinders us to get the right battery at solo raid

[shell hazel]

it does yeah more batteries to spread around on the drops

[hollow lagoon]

I copium hope for negetive ammo cube

My Dorothy neeeeeds it

Either that or privity treasure to make her less bad

[simple beacon]

Done

[coarse solstice]

Lfg good shit dude

One of the most annoying things done to play catch-up. Now it's just building up batteries and a few key units.

[simple beacon]

🙏 Thanks, I’ll try it

[raven plover]

vesti isnt clip RL

https://youtu.be/2TJpzeWrq_U?feature=shared

[simple beacon]

When should I use the red crate

[coarse solstice]

When Nikke 2 comes out 👀👀👀

Honestly once you cant progress in the campaign level up until you can then push some more

[simple beacon]

So like when I capped or struggling?

[coarse solstice]

Exactly.

[shell hazel]

any of the new units look like pvp meta? if not tempted to just skip most and wishlist later

or maybe just pull for the best one of the 3

[coarse solstice]

Depending on vesti blast radius could be Emilia cope

[covert lintel]

Even after the update she will become mid?

[raven plover]

well lets hope she has decent gen like xmaid

[covert lintel]

I suspect Kim Hyung loves Emilia more than his game character

[raven plover]

https://tenor.com/view/emilia-re-zero-my-beloved-gif-23478803

[hollow lagoon]

Use when get is what I would do if I were you, what’s the point of saving thous if your competitors out level you and pummel you in PvP so u get even less resources

U only save up if you are ahead

Here’s the strat

Push to next stage where u can’t push no more

Use crates to push past it

Repeat until crate empty

[coarse solstice]

Also did some quick math over a year in core dust hours 🤯

[shell hazel]

it doesn't feel like it's a year but maybe it is 😄

[strange linden]

Is there a way to win defense on SP arena nowaday?

[shell hazel]

9165 hours worth of cd in the 1h / 2h crates

9165 / 24 = 381.87 days

yep so over a year lmao

[coarse solstice]

Has another 40 12 hour boxes as well so 400 days sheeeeeesh lol

[placid bloom]

you should only be saving if you are under 160 or if you can't hit the next sync power spike before a new chapter releases tbh

[shell hazel]

I have 1888 hours of core dust crates

[placid bloom]

or you have the luxury of saving after fulling clearing HM and your competition can't catch up

[shell hazel]

78 days

[coarse solstice]

For real if you spend a couple hours a day pushing campaign/tower your over all level will spike big time

[shell hazel]

it also depends how close to clearing normal they are

[strange linden]

I'm at a point where even usb are super expensive now, used to have 6k cases, now I'm at 4k
credit is even worse

[shell hazel]

with that many crates and with new chapters in a day or two, if I had cleared normal I'd wait for the new chapters

[coarse solstice]

At 262 not maulding probably ch 30ish?

[shell hazel]

262 isn't clearing normal I don't think that easily

[coarse solstice]

No just guessing where they were at

[placid bloom]

262 should be like 10% deficit for MC without mald

the CP from leveling is a lot

[coarse solstice]

272**

[placid bloom]

can't clear Behemoth without mald though

[shell hazel]

I had cleared normal by a bit before 300

295 ish it looks like

[placid bloom]

no mald probably needs 301 or something to clear Behemoth, maybe 281 with Mermaid

[coarse solstice]

If he's feeling lazy could just level to 301 and walk through most of the content. Wouldn't be as efficient for using his boxes

[placid bloom]

I think snake still giving 301 trouble with no mald too

[shell hazel]

I'd jump 281 to start with and see how far you can get

biggest value return

[quick lake]

not neccesarily

[placid bloom]

just become malder and retry stage after 1 level at a time

and retry stage after every 2k CP you get from rerolling OL

[coarse solstice]

Id go insane

[graceful grotto]

vesti looks like a screen wiper

[placid bloom]

sometimes I even retry stage after getting like 1k CP from leveling cube

sometimes just 1k is enough

[covert lintel]

Is the skill out yet?

[placid bloom]

her burst just looks like Marian's old burst

just hit your screen with explosions for a short time

[covert lintel]

@raven plover all absolute peeps released this month mean that their old body won't get treasured

[raven plover]

my emma bay jack dream

[umbral belfry]

say sike

[raven plover]

it looks like cindy charging animation ngl

[simple beacon]

Nah I’m like 28

[umbral belfry]

now I gotta go into work mad

[coarse solstice]

I was pretty close lol. You definitely have a few options on how you should progress. All depends on how efficient you want to be. Grinding levels slowly gets you a higher overall level growth. If you want to be more casual then you could just open boxes til you hit level 301 and get through content faster

If you're not in a rush I'd definitely take it slow

[coarse solstice]

Dapper says it'll be ok SU can't deny us a good clip RL forever

[shell hazel]

but may as well use the crates it's what they're there for

no point saving them forever

[coarse solstice]

I won't say what I would do because I'm wildly irresponsible with saving any type of mat

[umbral belfry]

ty dapper big fan

[shell hazel]

I was opening crates as I got them until fairly recently mostly 😄

once I finished normal + got a lot of the way into hard mode I think the value of saving can go up some then

[coarse solstice]

Dapper does look like he's about to have a talk w/ SU CEO

[umbral belfry]

if we get a husky in today for a bath and it starts crying I'll say that dapper wanted it to lock in

[coarse solstice]

They are all big babies. Our groomer had 3 at once and it sounded so pathetic 🤣 🎶 bow wow woooooow

[glad meteor]

[umbral belfry]

if we get a spicy chihuahua I'll blame you

[fathom rock]

Bro in ch8 is using moran bay and soda scar im cooked

[placid bloom]

[fathom rock]

Gonna need ideas, im scarletless

Dont mind my teams they prolly all lose just my last atk comps

[placid bloom]

2RL Ros into the Scar Soda team

[fathom rock]

Ros not built

[placid bloom]

Blanc SBS into the Moran Bay

Well then gg

[fathom rock]

Blanc sbs counter moran bay?
If so i can do 3rl emi on t1

[placid bloom]

Should be able to, not like they on Nero. Problem is their team kinda fast with Helm Emi and I don’t know if you have enough dps without RH B1

[quick lake]

yes should work

[fathom rock]

Why we assuming i cant rhb1

[placid bloom]

Cuz you need to make your team 2RL too

Actually you can RH B1

They feed a bit with Moran so SBS Helm Blanc RH Jackal should still be 2RL

Check work to make sure though

[fathom rock]

Should get jackal fed 3 times, would work

Gonna need some quantum use tho

[placid bloom]

Just need to make sure your links are correct

[fathom rock]

Sbs and rh are linked

Rh gonna hold vigor to indom sbs instead

[placid bloom]

Helm p4 then

[fathom rock]

3rl and 2rl

[placid bloom]

Looks good

[covert lintel]

Did you try sg team on his team 3?

[placid bloom]

SG can never kill Moran

[fathom rock]

I didnt try anything yet but that moran looks like she tanks

Real question is
How tf is this guy only ch8

[placid bloom]

Cuz he sus

Like his name

[covert lintel]

He love seeing his defense blue

[fathom rock]

Huh?

[fathom rock]

Nah my bracket just one hell of a spender still surprised this guy aint higher
Reshuffle soon

2nd place isnt even good at pvp nor at def, they good at using gems to attack

Not even cp paf

[covert lintel]

Try it with 4sg +1lap+ if you don't mind

[fathom rock]

Did win before trying that
Ill go find a mroan in rookie

[fathom rock]

Only moran rookie user left my bracket, right.....

Wtf peeps have 919k cp at lv421

[hollow lagoon]

too low for your standards?

[fathom rock]

F2p, cant relate

Bro in 1st place gonna beat mc at 441

[hollow lagoon]

its natural for whalers to have lower cp compared to fps because we have raw level but our gear and stuff is hard to maxmize

[coarse solstice]

Whale<F2P<spend only on new units and cosmetics

[hollow lagoon]

like me

my gears are around level 3-4

[fathom rock]

Sir that whaler has lower sync but higher cp

[placid bloom]

nah it's normal for f2p to be lower at same sync. Less doll mat from not reroll dispatch, less skill book (though less of an issue now), less core

[fathom rock]

C7 noah/noise/scar/bisu/helm
Hoe tf did he even c7 scar-

[fathom rock]

f2p should reroll dispatch

[placid bloom]

rock is gonna be luck dependent for everyone but spender can usually clear s7 before f2p can

so they get a head start on rock farm

[hollow lagoon]

oh that's not even a whale then, that's a planet

[covert lintel]

It's fine if you have 20lv higher than him

[swift mango]

F2P should be casual.

[fathom rock]

I have them in case form but still tf

[placid bloom]

nah I won't reroll dispatch

[swift mango]

[hollow lagoon]

c7 noah and helm is understandable but c7 scarlet is next level

[swift mango]

Drunk scarlet? If they are old whale it's normal.

[hollow lagoon]

f ur c7 scarlet, eithe r u simp for her a lot, or ur so filled with pilgrim u have nothing ebtter to pull

[fathom rock]

Then there is the ryu guy that can clear mc but is still stuck on whale

[hollow lagoon]

421 sync prob not old whale

[coarse solstice]

I only reroll dispatch when I'm pushing to get a new treasure done and need SR15. Otherwise I just spend on extra outpost clears

[swift mango]

Well, just lucky then.

[hollow lagoon]

possible

but i'm waiting for that last copy for cinderella to show her self

[swift mango]

Drunk scarlet can't be rate up so even whale need luck to max her.

[hollow lagoon]

unless ur so rich u can constantly buy gems

[placid bloom]

[swift mango]

Still need luck

[fathom rock]

How can you have 1.1m cp and still be mw gated

[hollow lagoon]

so yeah, not a whale, a small moon

[placid bloom]

they are lazy

it's not gated

they could auto it if they wanted

[swift mango]

They just ignore Campaign altogether.

[covert lintel]

Because he needs a pilot service

[quick lake]

I was stuck blue cp mother whale

[fathom rock]

Not the p word

[hollow lagoon]

i passed mw at 348 sync, and one of my unit was orange gear modernia, i didnt even invest in redhood at the time still 20% deficit kek

[placid bloom]

my friend don't even push normal campaign even though blue CP because it is time consuming even when he has skip battle

[coarse solstice]

I'm stuck on tower 390. MW can get bent

[placid bloom]

some people just lazy beyond belief

[swift mango]

Because you have Mordenia.

[fathom rock]

Lasy and still 20 sync above me

[hollow lagoon]

@shell hazel will laugh at my 348 sync mw clear for rest of me existance

[quick lake]

I think i was stuck there for a longgggggg timw

[swift mango]

Meaning you are bricked. Time to use all that gem to gem claim.

[fathom rock]

Take your time just dont be blue and still stuck lmao
I clear whale at 292

[scarlet adder]

yay last day so maybeee

[hollow lagoon]

i went past 390 tower mw almost immediately cus my team was already setup

[quick lake]

Rookie doestn do anything

[hollow lagoon]

do it on orange gear

[scarlet adder]

it gives me happiness 😄

[swift mango]

My Pilgrim tower haven't even get that far

[placid bloom]

I'm still like 50k CP below the lowest monthly floor 390 clear maybe I will clear it next month

[hollow lagoon]

mine still 225 hehe

[fathom rock]

I know a guy

[covert lintel]

It does
You can get many fodder

[fathom rock]

I know am bricked but not that far

Ill still question how that ch8 is still ch8

Maybe i should soda build on alt just to annoy peeps

[placid bloom]

maybe he getting his ass beat by people asking here and he don't want to spend gem to climb after getting knocked back down

[fathom rock]

There is also a guy in ch27 at sync 500, how we together

[hollow lagoon]

Allow me to provide a answer, witness this sync 300

[fathom rock]

🧱 unless 💳

[hollow lagoon]

if his performance in raid is bad i'mma get my guild officer to yeet

[placid bloom]

some people just log on to do daily with no goal in mind

[hollow lagoon]

bro hasnt leveled up in 2 weeks

[fathom rock]

Why is this guy with me

[placid bloom]

because you unlucky

just dodge them

get better at getting good shuffle

[fathom rock]

Based off unbricked rail stats i shoulf be in 450 range, im slowly reverting from my 2 week brick with wipeout but good luck lol

[scarlet adder]

a bit different but the guy still won, thanks

[fathom rock]

Teach me

[covert lintel]

@karmic smelt is this your new nemesis?
I think you always lose against him

[hollow lagoon]

oh man champ arena updated, cant wait for a random loss and the inability to view matches due to "version differences"

[placid bloom]

dw I am skill issue at getting good shuffle too

[upper grove]

All skill issued here

[swift mango]

kinda win big these last few days.

[covert lintel]

5-0

[karmic smelt]

I thought I was gonna win

[placid bloom]

[upper grove]

Please shuffle remove my 3 core max whales from my bracket

[covert lintel]

New nightmare after fahren

[karmic smelt]

Jesus wtf

This game is rigged af

[scarlet adder]

btw. shuffle just adds more active players ? so i just will see guys that annoy me + another guys that might annoy me?

[coarse solstice]

2B confirmed deece

[hollow lagoon]

Rigged

[swift mango]

Dude isn't even main union member.

[hollow lagoon]

lol shit went so long a second burst happened

for cinderella team, ok ill accept that

[coarse solstice]

2B beats SG (san rosa), 2rl Cindy/Noah, and SBS Indom. Not to shabby

[covert lintel]

Did you know thefire2?

[hollow lagoon]

@coarse solstice @placid bloom
#pvp-arena message
< my 29 bullet scarlet was stunned, the feed lead to siren bursting first, but like you predicted, their protection less scarlet, blanc, and siren killed theirselves

[swift mango]

No but Tyranny is the main union.

[placid bloom]

your Mermaid B1 ammo refund kept Scarlet shooting?

[hollow lagoon]

ye, i guess they feed too hard, maybe my quantum on jackal was too much? i do have around 10% cs on jackal and the other rl

[covert lintel]

Oh another challenger like section?

[placid bloom]

well it's only 2 frame diff between Scar 29th bullet and Mermaid B1, maybe she doesn't start reloading in time since game only runs at 30fps

so 29 bullet not safe with Mermaid

[hollow lagoon]

mm

funny i rolled form 28 to 29

time to reeeee

[placid bloom]

time to swap to Soda

or unroll your ammo back to 28

[hollow lagoon]

kinda niche case tho? usually i dont get this much feed

blanc/scar/siren

[placid bloom]

yeah you got fed to like 1.9RL

which is a bit faster than normal

[hollow lagoon]

or it dosnt matter? because of the 30fps?

[placid bloom]

I mean if your team high cs it will also matter

cuz the faster your Mermaid burst the tighter the timing between Scar last bullet and her B1 ammo refund

I don't know the exact delay between firing last bullet and reload, but it's not instant

[quartz rover]

may get the frame

[coarse solstice]

My only teams with perfect runs this time was Scarjack and 2B .... 2B=Scarjack 2B Meta

[hollow lagoon]

oh boi i have around 11% cs on my rls , prob should run different b1

[coarse solstice]

15 is minimum for benefit if I remember

[hollow lagoon]

yeah but to protect siren stun is the issue

[placid bloom]

11 is enough to protect B2 Noah

and it's fast enough to win mirror

if opponent is not on cs

[quartz rover]

it's working

[hollow lagoon]

yeah but in my case my siren would b1 even fast no? @placid bloom

[placid bloom]

yeah

Scar Mermaid just anti-synergy

[worldly osprey]

@swift mango here we go again so u finally gave in and used soda huh. time to see whose scar + soda hits harder

[placid bloom]

compared to Scar Soda

but Scar Soda damage so low

can't even kill 3RL Noise

[hollow lagoon]

maybe rosana

[placid bloom]

Rosanna is okay but it makes your SG team super slow

[hollow lagoon]

i only got 1 unit killed once so far in ca

[placid bloom]

RH is not used by most team

[hollow lagoon]

i could rh but its on my indom atm

honestly could Xmica

but no real synergy

tho its possible i save a clip rl

[placid bloom]

there is Rapu stun option if you want to be cheeky

but it's so hard to use

[knotty fern]

can anyone tell me why this beat the faster comp?

how did this one win wtf?

yo that comp is clearly slower

[hollow lagoon]

i'm assuming xmiden's buff dont get to scarlet in time for the aoe?

[placid bloom]

their team has cs

[knotty fern]

that doesn’t look like cs

that fire rate look the same though

[quick lake]

Bad scar RNG

[knotty fern]

yeah i don’t think is cs cause they fire the same time

[placid bloom]

their team is faster

[vapid mica]

is xmaiden overload high priority investment or just for cp?

[swift mango]

I have used Soda since 2nd CA.

A few seasons without her doesn't mean I didn't use her.

[worldly osprey]

nvm

[placid bloom]

look at Trina's buff count, it goes from 2>4 before this Trina even casts

[swift mango]

My luck from a year ago. Haven't gotten anything this good ever since A.I.

Guess, this game really wants me to quit.

[hollow lagoon]

i wish i have rolls dis good

[placid bloom]

[swift mango]

2 of them are none dps. Diesel and Blanc.

[hollow lagoon]

oh boi

[worldly osprey]

meanwhile i dumped a ton of rocks to hit 21% cs just to countered by scar get 0-ammo like it was nothing 💀

[glad meteor]

You can see them rapunzel burst faster

[knotty fern]

yeah is weird this show 3rl in deck

[unique mountain]

@kind palm

[glad meteor]

Jackal + scar s2 feed

[knotty fern]

u’d assume is slower

[swift mango]

Didn't I said it was 1 year ago before A.I? My rock progression legit worse than before A.I nothing I could get in less than 50.

[glad meteor]

Quantum too prob

[swift mango]

Like 500 rock on scarlet and she is still shit.

Didn't even attribute reroll her.

Couldn't even get the correct line

[knotty fern]

yeah i just want to know why 2rl comp vs 3rl comp win. they both getting feed, so shouldn’t 2rl scarlet be even faster

[placid bloom]

Scar Trina RH naturally feeds 10.65%

and that's before even counting Scar counter

which can feed another 3.55% at average proc rate

so both team is 2RL but top should have cs to be faster

because their Trina buffed faster

even at 0 cs top team is basically same speed as bottom

so top team definitely has cs

bottom team getting feed doesn't matter because their burst speed bottlenecked by Jackal + Anis rocket landing

the feed alone isn't enough to reach 100% burst gauge if the rockets land slower

because that is the bulk of the burst gen

[knotty fern]

ah, okay i understand now, thanks.

is it better to have 4 line of cs in one nikke or 1 line of cs for each nikke will determine who burst faster?

[placid bloom]

1 line of cs on each Nikke

because slowest bullet landing is the bottleneck

though if you are not 2RL then Helm alone having high cs is enough to change team speed

because her burst gen per shot is just that high

[knotty fern]

gonna have to mess with nikke.work later and analysis a bit more

[placid bloom]

actually any clip with 15% can be enough to go from 3RL > 2.5 if you have high enough burst gauge filled by 2RL

[hollow lagoon]

can rosana b1 be taunted?

[placid bloom]

yeah

[hollow lagoon]

ugh

looks like people using mermaid for scarlet b1 like me or rosana or rh

i see some sodas

lots of sodas...

[placid bloom]

Soda just easy to use

don't even really need invest tbh unless you want her linked

[hollow lagoon]

i'm only really using mermaid to stun noahs and for a small damage boost, but if my scarlet burst first then there's no point?

lets say if my rls are 12% ish can my siren still stun before scarlet burst?

[placid bloom]

Scar cannot be saved by cs, only by ammo

cs can only save Noah

[hollow lagoon]

no i mean if i fight a 2rl noah

[placid bloom]

but Soda beats high cs Noah

Scar cannot be faster than 2RL Noah

your cs cannot get you there

[hollow lagoon]

can my siren stun 2rl noah?

[shell hazel]

I'm only just 348 did it ages ago 😄

[placid bloom]

not if they have cs

[shell hazel]

gz on top 8 Zant

[placid bloom]

only Soda and Rapu can but Rapu too hard to use

[hollow lagoon]

wot did u die?

[placid bloom]

not reliable

[shell hazel]

unlucky @nimble swan you deadge, ironically I'd have probably fared well against your opponent 😄

yeah I lost 3-2 to @nimble swan yesterday

bad matchups I suppose, truly the rng arena of all times

[placid bloom]

Soda also has 40% chance to beat Bay

[hollow lagoon]

oh he died to some one from my old union

[placid bloom]

but the problem is 1 buff Scar Trina cannot always lethal through Moran B1

[shell hazel]

yeah my 2RL scar went up against 2RL bay 😄

[placid bloom]

if you don't crit there is a high chance Moran B1 can tank

[hollow lagoon]

what b1 to use with scarlet now then

do i go meme and actually do xmica on cindy team for stun immune noah

[placid bloom]

if you can reroll 4 Atk 4 crit rate 4 crit dmg OL then Soda is technically the highest win rate

[hollow lagoon]

bro i have 1 atk 0crit rate and 3ele

[placid bloom]

[hollow lagoon]

my scarlet is brick as hard as can be

i need 2nd buff for sure

i might just do xmica for the lulz

i prefer rn as backup indom on my indom

since sbs likes to be dead

i could also trade siren for my rosana on my sg team

[shell hazel]

decisions indeed

I'll likely change my teams a bit but they were fairly good time just lost to rock paper scissors really haha

[placid bloom]

maybe EmmaTU will save you

[hollow lagoon]

maybe

i mean, worst case scenerio ill just go even lower bullet scarlet

[placid bloom]

but AbsoluteTU just seem like SR unit, not PvP

[hollow lagoon]

vesti could be a nuke

[shell hazel]

I think so, more SR unit than pvp

[hollow lagoon]

so what, we gonna get a wind boss

bro we literal just had gluttony, its been forever since water boss

[shell hazel]

they normally do favour the new units

[placid bloom]

too much water SR last year I think, MC Behe and Ice Dragon

[hollow lagoon]

i'm pulling emma for sure tho, healer+ damage support is jsut what i need

[placid bloom]

so they taking a break

[hollow lagoon]

this year is wind boss majority then?

or water

[placid bloom]

seems like it

[hollow lagoon]

black snake and holo kraken

when was wind modernia solo raid i recall we gotten one

[placid bloom]

I forgot if Mat H was this year or last year, I think this year

cuz it was with Maid duo release

[hollow lagoon]

mat h dis year maid duo

[placid bloom]

so that's 3 fire boss

[hollow lagoon]

so fire majority

if absolute units outperform my Mihara ill be kinda mad lel

[placid bloom]

don't think we will get another fire boss this year then

and next boss should be last wind boss of the year too

[hollow lagoon]

i recall we gotten a wind modernia already, and we have gluttony

[placid bloom]

yeah

unless they want to do 4 of same element boss in 1 year

[hollow lagoon]

windboss always so rough for me, my asuka is not built my drake is still not in pink gear

only fire unit is 2 ele roll rapi and mihara, with a very badly rolled alice

[raven plover]

every time I see redhood hitting cover, something wrong gonna happen

https://youtu.be/Pa4-1MRck_Y?feature=shared

redhood hitting cover gets more gen

[shell hazel]

wondering what is stronger, wifumilk or boobmilk?

[crystal flicker]

Not this season

[hollow lagoon]

@shell hazel looks like I dead

[primal charm]

is 32 ammo scar safe from siren chat

[raven plover]

@covert lintel nozomu match is pretty much mirror next, also check out bottom right guy teams wtf how did that guy survive

[shell hazel]

you said this before and always make it

[crystal flicker]

Pinne died first and yet we still bursting in the same time

[worldly osprey]

@swift mango looks like i lost again

[hollow lagoon]

not dis time, double buff scarlet kill my team 1, siren stun kill my team 2 moran stall kill my team 4 easy loss

clear as day

unless my team 2 some how lives then we talking some weird shit

[shell hazel]

we believe

[hollow lagoon]

lol u want silver frame and i vote my self on principle

if noise and cinderella lives this could have a chance if their noah resolve and i burst

[coarse lake]

pinne sac gives both rosas gen

[crystal flicker]

I always thought it's "When allies dies"

Really needs to crank the ATK lines it seems

[shell hazel]

I lost that chance a while back I just back my pvp-arena crew when I can't back myself now 🙂

[glad glade]

@fathom rock @umbral belfry @quick lake @swift mango @gritty ridge @tropic summit Got the cheer! My current cheer match is also really easy too. Thank you for your help!

[hollow lagoon]

[placid bloom]

double buff Scar with crit still can't beat Noise

[shell hazel]

your noah is probably stunned though?

[placid bloom]

wait his Scar is not even SR15

109k CP probably not max skill level either

[hollow lagoon]

yup

so i die, unless their 0 star cindy dont do nuff damage, then my noah, un stun and burst

[glad glade]

Lol I was just about to say that

I must be really tired. I didn’t even notice the Scar burst hitting. I assumed that noah blocked since everyone lived against a double buff scar

[shell hazel]

issue is your biscuit bursts instead

[hollow lagoon]

yeah well then i just die

[shell hazel]

[hollow lagoon]

stiill vote my self on principle tho

t1 scarlet kill my stall

their stall kill my indom, at t4

yeah unwinnable

man i lost enough times to siren stun noah

i'm feeling the xmica more and more

[shell hazel]

if you don't mind laying out the teams in the deck builder I'll be happy to analyse a bit 🙂

siren stun is annoying