pvp-arena

[umbral belfry]

me with 10/10/10 moran

[keen vapor]

Appreciate @tropic summit for pointing it out could have missed it otherwise

[placid bloom]

4OL 1/1/1 Rosanna imagine

[umbral belfry]

and soon noise Will join my 10/10/10 don't follow this tho

[quick lake]

Maybe I should sr15 Rosanna soon

the pvp peeps here kinda crazy

[umbral belfry]

yes yes u should

[torpid kelp]

thank you enriched rail tracer 💋

[glad meteor]

[ocean temple]

Yeah I'm a reformed former casual. My account is over a year old, but I didn't get serious until around siren's event when I came back from a 2-3 month vacation and finally beat that cursed whale.

I also never skipped simulation room for some reason when I was casual, so I had more books than you would expect.

There are far worse mistakes on this account than Rumani

[keen vapor]

Frima

[umbral belfry]

treasure milk

[keen vapor]

DORO WUT DA HEL

[crystal flicker]

My Noah Biscuit got bypassed yesterday testing lol

[ocean temple]

Thank god I didn't OL the armor...

[quick lake]

Skill resets soon 🙏

[ocean temple]

The skills may reset, but the doll never will. That will haunt me until my dying days.

And before you ask, I can't unseat her. She's one of my original 5MLB so the game won't let me.

[umbral belfry]

my god

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1177116972593463316/1396930990169133189/brick.gif

[quick lake]

u will have excess dolla… eventually

[keen vapor]

60% brick

Maybe even 70

[eager mountain]

by estimate it only whiffs post18 but something couldve went wrong in my math
nvm it should whiff on 15

[crystal flicker]

I don't have exact value about "going into cover animation delay", I assume it's 0.1s (3 frames) from my Scarlet Siren test, but it's very rough estimate
If the delay is 4 frames, 21% will have the same value (64 frames) which makes them probably able to hit right before cover
If the delay is 5 frames, 21% will hit Scarlet even with 20 ammo

[ocean temple]

Now one I'm legit upset about on the other hand, this was a good investment at the time but boy did this unit fall off a cliff in the meta after I invested

[harsh lake]

Is there a delay when scarlet bursts and when the burst actually hits the opponent?

[keen vapor]

That's still far better than Signal/Rumani

[crystal flicker]

0.117s

[harsh lake]

what's that in terms of frame?

[keen vapor]

Uh, 3?

I think that Kuna

[gritty ridge]

[harsh lake]

ooh, ok thank you

[crystal flicker]

3 frame is 0.1s, 4 frame is 0.1333s

Could be round up to 4

[keen vapor]

She still works for me against Indivillia

[crystal flicker]

If the Arena is 60fps, it'll be exactly 7 frames

[harsh marten]

do you think i can beat him? low cp gap

[spare nimbus]

What ammo rolls do u need for scarlet to avoid siren stun?

[ocean temple]

Does she? I end up hitting harvester more than anything for some reason. Boots hard to find in this economy.

[quick lake]

total 52.50% or less

[keen vapor]

Use Blanc instead of Noah

Put vigor cube on Scarlet Black Shadow and put her on placement 1

Add centi/anis instead of Siren

[ocean temple]

Anyways, yeah account is semi bricked because I used to be a casual/waifu player, but malding campaign and fixing things little by little. Thanks everyone for the advice, I'm filing it away and working on it.

[spare nimbus]

Bro i have 230% 💀💀💀

[keen vapor]

She's my second best damage dealer there (bc I didn't invest Asuka/Mihara and have too much lag for Alice gaming)

[quick lake]

stunned scar

[keen vapor]

Just

Never burst with her against bosses

[harsh marten]

ty for the feed back, i won anyway

[keen vapor]

[eager mountain]

ye the 3 frames fits in

but can rl whiff during the animation? and does target switch at the start or at the end of cover animation?

[quick lake]

RL is prob at the start. SG is at end imo

Never seen SG whiff

[gritty ridge]

Do i not have any counter to nero moran other than rh trina cindy?

I have no scar

[quick lake]

Probably. U can run another stall team to counter, but kinda exp

[gritty ridge]

Rh trina cindy is so expensive battery-wise

At least its a slow nero moran

Its so scary

[twilit bay]

Can't you use a slow scar for that?

[gritty ridge]

[twilit bay]

I use Blanc, Scar, RH, Biscuit, Helm

[gritty ridge]

I dont have scar

[twilit bay]

oh

[gritty ridge]

Actually, how does sac mihara work against stall

Is the dot affected by dmg reduc?

[crystal flicker]

Judging from Siren's case, you'll still hit Scarlet during and shortly after animation
And RL has travel speed around ~0.2s so target switch should be few ms after Scarlet goes into the cover

[gritty ridge]

Ive realized I have no clue how to build sac mihara

[eager mountain]

🤔 ugh so 5-4 frames window, 0cs vs 24 ammo f68 rl launch whiff on f69 empty ammo, 3 frames interval per ar and 2 frames per cs tier, there can be a quick estimate of range
ammo cs%
26 doesnt work
25 dne
24 0-4 (0-7 p1p2)
23 5-10
22 8-14 (8-17 p1p2)
21 dne
20 18-24 (18-27 p1p2)
if this is wrong then 0ammo frame can also be targeted or something... ugh, so it would have bigger range
26 doesnt work
25 dne
24 0-4 (0-7 p1p2)
23 0-10
22 5-14 (5-17 p1p2)
21 dne
20 15-24 (15-27 p1p2)
tldr: either cope for opponent sweating 15cs or ur doomed if ur veteran

[umbral crown]

Ein blanc RH

or moran biscuit sanis but probably not gonna work most of the time

[gritty ridge]

Ein indom?

Makes sense

[umbral crown]

if its for rookie

Ein Blanc HelmT Red Hood _Jackal

[gritty ridge]

I know someone here runs sac mihara, can you double sac with mana or no

[umbral crown]

have not really tried to be honest

my mihara has no investments but seen people doing some interesting cooks wit her

[gritty ridge]

Im thinking something like this

Its slow enough so depending on comp she might be able to die twice

[crystal flicker]

Different RL position also has slightly different travel speed

[coarse lake]

Or she doesn't and you end up with indom bursting midhara

[eager mountain]

is 20 ammo 15 cs whiff tested

[eager mountain]

accounted for thee 1 frame diff

[coarse lake]

Merry encountered it once @worthy knoll

[gritty ridge]

Maybe something like this too

[gritty ridge]

Would not be ideal

Actually no jackal

Bad idea

[coarse lake]

Jackal means no sac anyway yeah

[gritty ridge]

Yeah realized that after I posted comp

[coarse lake]

Only indom emi and slow indom Cindy can pull off mihara imo, and mostly by relying on bug nuke

Too many different comps going around for a team focused on it to work

[gritty ridge]

If I pull roseanna before next ca ill try out a sac comp

No harm in trying it out

[coarse lake]

It's just nice bonus praying for RNG bug to 1 shot scar

[gritty ridge]

Actually, does mana revive make enemy comp attack p2 even after p1 revives?

This would be 2rl, Pascal s2 should make helm heal a ridiculous amount per hit so her indom should maybe last longer?

Would lose against defending shotguns obviously

[eager mountain]

ugh... so if 15cs whiff on 20ammo, this means enter cover animation can (at least 1st frame)be targeted, which means i need to reestimate....

[coarse lake]

I think it's worse than that, iirc it was in p1

Which means if p5 even lower cs would whiff

[eager mountain]

p3+ should have 1 frame less whiff window not more

if the 1st frame or the entire enter cover animation can be targeted then the window would be very diff

[coarse lake]

If scar animation is the timer, position of shooter prob doesn't matter

[coarse lake]

Yes

P1 p2 p1 p3 is target order if p1 gets mana revive

They don't go back to p1 until p2 is dead

[gritty ridge]

No double sac then

[coarse lake]

Go triple

[eager mountain]

this would mean non rl would also whiff

[gritty ridge]

[coarse lake]

Double sac can still happen with scar counter

Scar and SG are the only 2 teams that can do it anyway

[gritty ridge]

You'd have to find a way to survive scar nuke without burst is the problem

Mihara sac is tricky comp

[coarse lake]

They don't have noticable travel time tho

[eager mountain]

it should be the proj travel time that determines the length of window, just that the timing is based on scar

[coarse lake]

Makima

[eager mountain]

if its 8 frame max window then it can slot in 3 whole tiers of cs diff
sounds insane

[coarse lake]

That sounds about right

[gritty ridge]

On sg comp is whole team targeting p5 while on defense?

[coarse lake]

Rosa isn't

[gritty ridge]

Rosa targets attacker right?

[coarse lake]

Her autos are regular mg

Yeah her burst prioritizes attacker

[gritty ridge]

Too slow

Maiden sg burst would obliterate this team

[crystal flicker]

Yeah ScarBS can bypass Noah Biscuit, and Scarlet Trina linked still receive dmg

[gritty ridge]

Whats the meta sg team btw?

B.soda t.drake rosanna viper noir?

[crystal flicker]

Nikke Devs:
Raven cancel helps player reach higher score: SR Closure + Mega Patch
Damage distribution broken: I sleep

[crystal flicker]

PvP yes

[eager mountain]

new ver assume 0ammo frame and 2frames afterward can be targeted

@me if there are test results

[gritty ridge]

Is this not worth building then?

[eager mountain]

that cancel was a w to me that i dont need to think of doing the raven tech

[crystal flicker]

You can, but it'll have weaker basic atk power

[gritty ridge]

Is the better nuke worth or no

[worthy knoll]

???

[gritty ridge]

Double sac mihara is what I was talking abt, he mightve been talking abt normal sac mihara

[eager mountain]

15cs whiff at 20 ammo scar, do u have clip?

[gritty ridge]

Or they're talking abt frame wif

Idk

[worthy knoll]

I pretty sure I haven't done double sacc yet coz no Mana

So prolly whiff, let me check it

[worthy knoll]

#pvp-arena message

Retro said his Noah is 4.92 x 3 so 15%

[eager mountain]

🫡 thx

[gritty ridge]

Merry how do I cook sac mihara

Pls help

[worthy knoll]

Uhh you don't?

[gritty ridge]

I have like no better option for indom atm

[worthy knoll]

I gave up on that coz.. just Mihara and Rosanna

[gritty ridge]

For ca

[worthy knoll]

So slow already

[gritty ridge]

Rh indom is so damn slow

[worthy knoll]

It means you are forcing a HelmT just to get up to par

[icy ridge]

Can anyone help me make teams for arena? Im pre new to the game so still sorting out stuff

[worthy knoll]

So I gave up on Sacc Mihara Ros

[gritty ridge]

Would this work?

[quick lake]

Mihara sac

[worthy knoll]

It could but I don't think its worth it

[quick lake]

Still Testing other variants

[worthy knoll]

The chances on winning of that is low even if you did sacc

[gritty ridge]

How did p3 die first

[worthy knoll]

Scar S2

[gritty ridge]

Ohh, scar counter

[quick lake]

Mihara guns herself to death

[gritty ridge]

Mg many bullet mean many counter

[quick lake]

mihara sac still kinda iffy

[gritty ridge]

So does that mean p1 double sac is possible if fighting scar?

Not possible for me but in general

[charred wedge]

Whats a quency escape queen pvp team looking around her 👀

[quick lake]

like Mihara + mana double sac?

[eager mountain]

scar counter rng

[gritty ridge]

Yeah

[eager mountain]

spa attacker niche but rng based, nah f this

[gritty ridge]

Its gambling for a reason

[eager mountain]

the only thing u dont want gamble is spa atk, and its spa atk only cope

[quick lake]

I dont think Mihara procs her chain again if she dies the second time.
P1 Mihara kinda bad because she dies too fast to even apply the DoT on enemies

So mihara needs to survive long enough to apply dot stacks

[gritty ridge]

[quick lake]

In this example, u can see Trina not getting DoT

I havent really tested P1 Mihara that much

[gritty ridge]

Ive noticed you have makima

Which means I probably cant run sac mihara safely

[quick lake]

Doesnt have to be Makima. I think Rumani/xMaiden works as well

[gritty ridge]

I do have rumani

[quick lake]

So far, Mihara sac teams are very very varied. Still very cope

[gritty ridge]

You know i like my strange cooks

[eager mountain]

when?

[quick lake]

I saw like
Mihara Blanc Emilia Biscuit Defender in CAs

[gritty ridge]

I still think you could use t.frima on a team

Maybe cope 2b ca team

[quick lake]

@eager mountain can refer to this counter example

@lusty gull any thoughts on Mihara sac team given you ran that comp last season?

[eager mountain]

at 1st frame pink effect appears?

[quick lake]

idk. Mihara DoT takes a while to apply in my tests

[gritty ridge]

Could it be tied to skill levels?

[quick lake]

I had an instant death mihara, and no dot procs

[eager mountain]

her kit makes 0 sense whatsoever by literal
"specific timing" why would they even phrase it like this

[quick lake]

yeah, mihara buggy af tbh

[eager mountain]

woah 3 nik patch like eva

[gritty ridge]

Maybe they linked it to skill levels but didnt say how and are non descriptive like bays skills

[eager mountain]

whoever wrote those should be fired

[gritty ridge]

I agree

[quick lake]

Speculated that Mihara has some super dmg DoT bugs

[gritty ridge]

Mihara dmg is weird

[quick lake]

A few vids that Mihara doing massive dmg somehow

[gritty ridge]

First shes mid, then shes hands down 2nd best fire dps for no core bosses

Shift up doesnt know how to handle sustained dmg

Bready, raven, and mihara are clear examples

[eager mountain]

2nd best dps for an elem non core is still mid for 1% banner

[gritty ridge]

It is, but we at least have glutt

[eager mountain]

doro in contrast is slightly better cuz of less comptition and dedicated comp

[harsh lake]

How many frames does it take for all Cinderella burst to go in?

[gritty ridge]

Its just really hard to compete with rapi in neutral, let alone strong element

[eager mountain]

rapi is straight up broken but at least not pvp

[gritty ridge]

Still usable tho

[eager mountain]

"im sync 160 and i wanna use my campaign unit as dps cuz no way i get both scar and cindy from wishlist"

[umbral crown]

SP Defense
Noah/Biscuit/Red Hood/Noir/SSakura
Alice/Drake/Trina/Rapipi/S.Doro
Auto Team

[gritty ridge]

I know for a fact theres someone in here who runs her in ca and does good

I just dont remember who

[eager mountain]

blindbox any niche b3 has a chance

[icy ridge]

theres a difference between def and offense?

[gritty ridge]

Yes

[umbral crown]

yeah, Offense teams ar emade according what you are facing since if you use defense for offense, once your rivals find out about this they will make teams to counter yours so you will always lose

you can always ask here for help and you can be sure people will give you good advices to win can be rookie or SP

[icy ridge]

How do I know what teams to setup for attacking then?

[gritty ridge]

You can ask here, but eventually you'll learn how to counter common issues

[eager mountain]

takes some effort to learn if u are clueless

[quick lake]

Pre-200 syncs, dont bother with pvp too much, Just focus on campaign

[umbral crown]

usually asking the people who has more experience so you will be learning what teams counters each one

[gritty ridge]

Im scared for when I encounter 2rl noise cindy noah

Cuz i do not have soda built

[quick lake]

Use Soda or Siren

[icy ridge]

the fat 2k gem paycheck is insane tho so I figured Im playing against ppl who started same time as me I might have a chance

[umbral crown]

nero team, ez

[gritty ridge]

Siren wont do anything if noise has taunt priority

[umbral crown]

[gritty ridge]

Good thing I can just skip that team

[eager mountain]

i just brainrot emi

[gritty ridge]

Even if you start off bad in pvp, if you push campaign hard you'll usually end up top 5 pretty easily whale dependant

[icy ridge]

alright so with attacking, I only really have 1 team thats super invested in and thats my campaign team

How would I build my team around counters and stuff

[gritty ridge]

So with attacking, you dont have to match cp exactly, certain units let you ignore deficit to a point and you can also just exploit bad choices made by competitors

Like if they have a solo burst level in position 1 or 5

Both are abusable in most cases

[icy ridge]

ohhh okay

How about for rookie arena? Any teams that I can make

[umbral crown]

Noah/Biscuit/Red Hood/Trina/S.Doro

or

Noah/S.Doro/Red Hood/Biscuit/Trina

[gritty ridge]

Biscuit and Noah is a giant boost to early pvp teams

[quick lake]

Best attack is provably:
Noah + RH
Then auto and CP gap the weakest opponent team

[gritty ridge]

Ive seen p5 biscuit locked Tia work pretty well

[icy ridge]

icl I didnt know noah was insane for pvp, I just saw pilgrim and got mad disappointed it wasnt siren cindy or sbs

[quick lake]

Noah pvp meta unit

[gritty ridge]

Pvp meta and pve meta units differ quite a bit

Except for cindy

[icy ridge]

also what should I use the pvp currency for?

Its kinda just been adding up and idk what to do with it

[urban shadow]

How these guys acc lvl1 and this high in arena?

[placid bloom]

placeholder bots for new arena group

because you need attack targets to hit in order to climb

they will get replaced by real people as they get hit

[gritty ridge]

Its almost exclusively used to buy elemental skill books

I buy the books I need and the 5 profile customize thingies

[icy ridge]

I've been buying the selector box every day

[gritty ridge]

Id say for pve iron books are the most needed, pvp you need so many I couldn't possible guess

Im buying electric for moran atm

[tulip quest]

Triple BANNER PICK UP

https://tenor.com/view/yu-yu-hakusho-anime-out-dead-spirit-gif-3893716

GG IM too poor to Pull for 1 character and they give us 3

[cunning crown]

absolute triple banner?

matis triple banner

[tulip quest]

Elysion

[tulip quest]

Hahahahah Because of her IM TOO POOR NOW

I guess im skipping

feels like a trap before 3rd Anniv

[umbral crown]

If one is not enough, get 3

[tulip quest]

Shift up is torturing Poor people

https://tenor.com/view/muppets-muppet-show-gonzo-lynn-redgrave-rack-gif-27482735

[umbral crown]

Imma.hope Eunwha and Vesti pvp units

[tulip quest]

Im a pvp peep also EXCEPT I can't pull

https://tenor.com/view/dying-hungry-and-thirsty-gif-16689267

Dried

[umbral crown]

Its your time to talk with wallet kun

[tulip quest]

Wallet kun is in Heaven now

https://tenor.com/view/no-money-wallet-empty-cashless-gif-16030892

[heavy copper]

can someone help me the team with special arena pls

[quartz rover]

At least the absolute trio aren't special nikke so you can just wishlist them

[umbral crown]

♧☆♧ ** SP Defense** ♧☆♧

Ein/Blanc/Red Hood/HelmT/Jackal

Noah/Noise/Cinderella/Biscuit/Rumani

Rapunzel/SBS/Bay/Bunny Soda/X.Maiden

Also

Scarlet/Blanc/X.Maiden/Red Hood/Jackal

Noah/Noise/S.Anis/Biscuit/Rapunzel

Moran/HelmT/Bay/Centi/Rumani

[gritty ridge]

Yonexxi cooks

[umbral crown]

[heavy copper]

So what about the attacking side?

[gritty ridge]

Can't really precook attacks

Gotta counter the defense

There are some comps that are extremely good, nero moran, scar soda, etc... but they all require heavy invest

[umbral crown]

Depends what you are facing, cindy team wins most of the time , Ein team wins anything that is not noah +biscuit

Scar also

Or show the comps you wanna fight and we can suggest ou attack teams

[oblique void]

Hello guys... If I put Cinderella into the left side, will the enemies skip her and attack the 2nd position or they just attack her?

[quick lake]

target skip, yes

[oblique void]

Thanks for the confirmation.

[gritty ridge]

Cinderella is not ideal in p1 tho

You need cs on both helm and rapu, and a lvl 7 quantum on helm?

Expensive ass team

[restive willow]

oh boy, haven't seen cheers get close to 50/50 before

[crystal flicker]

Don't need Quantum HelmT

[gritty ridge]

Just cs?

[crystal flicker]

Rapu HelmT should be enough

[gritty ridge]

Yeah i saw

[crystal flicker]

HelmT CS only enough if you're using LapT coz she has higher gen than Quiry

[gritty ridge]

So is this best spa defense atm?

Assuming newer player so no re:zero or csm

[quick lake]

Yep! Change DrakeT to Emilia and its perfect

[gritty ridge]

And then its countered by rh trina scar, rosana, and 2rl scar?

Or ade helm for 2nd i suppose

[crystal flicker]

Which one

Unless Crit, Moran only counterable with Blanc RH

[gritty ridge]

This would counter soda scar iirc

[crystal flicker]

What even Ade doing

[quick lake]

everything is counter-able

[restive willow]

the best defense team in SP arena is getting 60 synchros ahead of the 2nd place

[gritty ridge]

Stun immune whole team

[crystal flicker]

She ain't gonna counter my 1.6RL

[gritty ridge]

I put trina for some reason

Dont mind p3 noah

Shes having fun

You get the gist tho, ade keeps soda from doing anything, helm nukes jackal link

[urban shadow]

What's the other advice for newbies other than push campaign and push SParena for gems

[gritty ridge]

I fixed the order, idk what I was doing

[gritty ridge]

Thats basically it for main goals

[urban shadow]

Nothing else?

[gritty ridge]

I mean, im sure theres a wishlist guide out there, don't use gems on standard banner

[languid wigeon]

what are red ones for

[gritty ridge]

Thats for your actual ranking

They made it a resource for some reason

[languid wigeon]

that is silly

[umbral crown]

Swap rapu and helm

[gritty ridge]

For p5 target stun?

[umbral crown]

100, 60 still beatable if cp in range

[restive willow]

true

[umbral crown]

cuz before as 341 i did beat a 405 boi

but now im 412 and the boi is 507

[restive willow]

i'm already 100 sync ahead of the 4th place in SA, so I think i'm solid in that regard

[umbral crown]

i just need 50-60 levels gap and i can beat the boi again

[covert lintel]

Wow this can even destroy jackal team
*But i put pepper in the wrong position so they lost

[umbral crown]

[lusty gull]

it was a cinderella variant, really strong, can win against a lot of team
the only problem is the random chain target at start

[quick lake]

Did it win against other Cindy’s?

[coarse lake]

In what fights does mihara dot even result in a win aside from scar

If they fix the mihara dot bug would she even be doing anything worthwhile

[quick lake]

Wins against Scar, SGs and some Cindy

[crystal flicker]

Moran

[coarse lake]

Don't the scar wins usually require bug

[crystal flicker]

My Moran once lost against Mihara lol

[quick lake]

Both bugged/non-bugged Mihara wins scar

[coarse lake]

It would lose against 5rl Blanc Cindy anyway

[lusty gull]

in ca i don't remember if that match happens but it's possible to win, probably the hardest match

[coarse lake]

Got vid of non bugged win?

Bc the only matchup I can see bughara doing better than rei at is scar, but from what I've heard non bug loses anyway

[coarse lake]

That's not the comp I'm talking about

If scar lived and makima was rumani, you should have lost that

Not sure why scar took so long either

Ig that's what they get for running unlink scar

[glad glade]

Could anyone confirm if my cheer is correct please? Top is defender and bottom is attacker. Crossed out teams are the loser:

T1: pretty simple. Def’s Moran sucks (90k CP) and atk Cindy wipes them out with ease

T2: There is a chance that def Siren could stun atk Scar, but that Scar is likely to have 10/10/10 (based off of CP) and may S2 her to death

T3: It may seem to be self explanatory, but the problem is Rosa: she’s only 4/4/4 with a blue doll based on her CP (82k). This may be a problem as I don’t know if the SG team will reach 2 RL due to those skills and the fact that there’s only 3 clip SGs, not 4. If they don’t reach 2 RL, then blanc’s indom may hit a unit from the back (probably rapu) and serve as a wall to protect SBS while she wipes out the SGs. On the other hand, nearly all the def’s SGs (other than the 77k CP poli) are pretty strong (all over 11.5k CP)

T4: Self explanatory. Attacker will never burst and def’s team will likely be 1 RL. Def will wipe even if lappy bursts

T5: Self explanatory

[crystal flicker]

Why you assume everyone doesn't have CS lines

And I'm pretty sure SAnis + Biscuit + Moran tanks Cindy Nuke tho

[glad glade]

Its a pretty pathetic Moran

[crystal flicker]

P2 ammo Scarlet will decide, whoever running Emi as battery should have CS lines

P3 P4 P5 seems ok

[glad glade]

As for CS, I can’t confirm due to not accessing the playbacks. Neither player focus on PvP, but if I was forced to guess by gunpoint, both Helms have the necessary 15% CS judging purely by CP (over 140k CP on both). The rest of the RLs are around or below 130k CP

[glad glade]

Gotchu, thanks. That Rosa’s investment was making me a bit nervous

[crystal flicker]

SG should kill Rapu before 3RL

[glad glade]

Perfection, thank you!

Losing frame, you’re coming home this time

[harsh lake]

Does anyone know how many frames it takes for all of Cinderella's burst shots to land?

[swift mango]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1177116972593463316/1391437050158256210/Screenrecorder-2025-07-06-21-29-31-771.mp4?ex=6890257c&is=688ed3fc&hm=e5574dace374165c45f53db09e50546d912ac72bcb28d0aceedaf928a24ed1bf&

[crystal flicker]

Idk, but you can watch Cindy burst video and count it yourself in seconds, then convert to frame(s)

[harsh lake]

it's about a second but really hard to tell...I'm trying to figure out how much faster cindy needs to burst in order for cindy(2RL) to beat scarlet(2RL)

[swift mango]

No. You just need stall.

[swift mango]

Cindy is hard counter against midhara though. Best way to win against midhara is Cindy.

[quick lake]

There is a Cindy Blanc Rumani Biscuit Mihara variant. Should win Cindy imo

I dont have enough tries for today, but my guess if I ran this team against 2RL Cindy opponent... Might win

[crystal flicker]

Tbh just use Noah or Bay

Scarlet nuke is Instant, meanwhile Cindy nuke is (1 x 5) x 2

[quick lake]

oh damn, Mihara sac can potentially win stall comp too

Im a Mihara convert

[harsh lake]

Yeah but trying to come up with a comp that doesn't use noah/bay. In my tests it's at least > .5 seconds but just asking around if anyone has already done this test before

[quick lake]

18% is definitely safe i think

[harsh lake]

Nope it's not. 18% on 3RL gives about .4sec faster burst before scarlet. Scarlet(2RL) will still win

[quick lake]

U mentioned 2RL Cindy vs 2RL Scarlet, Cindy teamwide needs ~18% cs teamwide to nuke Scar first

3RL Noah Cindy cant win 2RL Scar, unless 25% cs THelm

[harsh lake]

In my test, it's still not enough

[quick lake]

hmmm. I know Keripo has a vid in this chat of his 2RL Cindy winning scar

[harsh lake]

ooooh that's what I'm looking for

[quick lake]

iirc, he mentioned ~18%. His current team is ~19% CS (which is effectively still the same)

I tried searching it, but maybe missed out some key words on search

[harsh lake]

hmmm, though I'm testing against 2RL scarlet team that has jackal so it buys enough time for scarlet to burst before dying

maybe keripo was against non jackal scarlet(2RL) team

[quick lake]

Possibly yeah

[swift mango]

That's.not really win thanks to midhara. You could pretty much remove Midhara and swap Rapipi in and you would still win the same.

It's 4.5rl Cindy+Blanc win.

We have been using that to cheer Noah+Cindy since before midhara even exist.

[quick lake]

Agreed. This variant supposedly should win against SG/Stall/Scar/Cindy

kinda broken if u think about it

as well as being cheap in clipRL

[swift mango]

It lose against random 4rl ASS so it's fine.

And it used Biscuit+Cindy+Blanc in one team so it's a waste enough even with slow speed.

Scarlet team can still randomly win against it.

[quick lake]

I think Scar definitely loses imo

I agree Biscuit Blanc is expensive

[swift mango]

Rumani would die to the wipe and they can't burst. Midhara dmg alone is RNG and 3 sec from biscuit doesn't help either.

[quick lake]

Hmm possibly

[swift mango]

I have had enough practice run against that in SpA thanks to helping LD with atk. The RNG suck so midhara is a good def to annoying others but randomly lose to scar is still there.

Rossana and Cindy help counter her mechanically.

[primal charm]

i cant comprehend this comp

can anyone expain it pls

[primal charm]

why this rumani survive fatman

[quick lake]

Biscuit's invuln on defender. The idea is P1 Cindy speeding up opponent, using Biscuit's invuln as a "mini-noah" invuln shield. You sac Mihara at the same time, proccing her DoT when she dies. Then live long enough to enter B1 and B2 Blanc, then apply Blanc's indom on someone, stall another 10s, so that Mihara DoT procs some more

That's my interpretation of that team 👀

[crystal flicker]

That's weak ass Scarlet

Can't even 1 tap Bisc Rumani before Immune

[quick lake]

Alternatively is:
Cindy Blanc Rumani Biscuit Mihara

honestly idk how biscuit invuln works. I thought it applied left to right, so invuln should land on Cindy

[crystal flicker]

Cindy got nuked just above 50% hp

Immune can only proc if defender survive the nuke and under 50% hp

[quick lake]

Now that u mention it, might be weak scarlet

[crystal flicker]

Mihara Blanc pretty decent tho

[swift mango]

On another note I probably won't make it out of top 64

[primal charm]

but how is midhara dmg that absurb

she can beat stone alone? thats insane

[quick lake]

That's another problem with the comp as well. Sometimes her dmg is decent, sometimes it has bugged big dmg

[shell hazel]

I have the same concern

we'll see in a few hours, I think if I do then I can win the next against either opponent

[swift mango]

I don't really care about next opponent enough to check.

[full elk]

Could I get some team recommendations please? I checked the pins but I can't make more than 2 proper teams without helm.t or biscuit overlaps. I don't have trina or rumani built but can invest in them if necessary but I only have single copeis of them so they might end up being low cp.

[crystal flicker]

As long as you give them SR5 and full OL 0, they should have decent CP

Siren Jackal Trina Centi Scarlet (2RL)
Noise Noah Cindy HelmT Emilia (2RL)
Blanc ScarBS Biscuit Rumani XMaiden (3RL)

Ideally you can make 3 x 2RL comp, but your batteries is not invested enough (Emilia & Anis should have very high CS %)

[unique mountain]

Guys , who winnin

[full elk]

Is there any way I can make s.anis work with the 3rd team? she is one of my well built units, my emilia is OL'd but only has 1 charge speed roll on her. My quantum cube is low (8) compared to my bastion and resilience (15) so which units would be best slotted on quantum?

[crystal flicker]

Quantum only needs lv7 for max passive, more than that just slot and raw stat

SAnis can replace ScarBS

Any batteries can use Quantum

[full elk]

ah i see, so i can use my other highest lvl cubes on the other units then?

[crystal flicker]

Yes

[full elk]

thank you very much, i'll give these teams a try

[glad meteor]

time to watch mihara to see if she bugs or not

[umbral crown]

[unique mountain]

[swift mango]

I like the name of the guy on the right.

[unique mountain]

But i didn't send a name

[umbral crown]

Where the name

[swift mango]

Guy on the right named Kaslana.

[swift mango]

Just tell you the reason I voted him.

[unique mountain]

Yea but the reason is you liked the name , where's the name

[umbral crown]

Interesting name

[unique mountain]

I'm gonna vote for right as well

[unique mountain]

Breh i didn't see this

[unique mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/castorice-hug-stelle-trailblazer-honkai-star-rail-hsr-gif-4591508741413349130

[swift mango]

If you played Honkai impact you would know why Elysia and Kaslana are good names.

v

[umbral crown]

But since i have not

[crystal flicker]

I forgot to vote on another acc

[shell hazel]

soon...

march alter

[crystal flicker]

I had enough of Hoyo's grinding hell

[shell hazel]

can't say I fully blame you for that haha

[graceful grotto]

hsr

great art, but run by hoyo sadly

[shell hazel]

time to see if I died or not

ohh I win :p

@tropic summit @umbral belfry believe in the invest

[crystal flicker]

This is unexpected

[signal hull]

Oh I won.
Screw your "Noah vs my Scarlet" luck, whoever you are!

[shell hazel]

they're running a weird team

your soda doesn't look linked?

[signal hull]

I still have absolutely NO idea what "linked" means.

[shell hazel]

with jackal

jackal shares damage with 2 highest atk units

it's final atk so after OL, can't rely on the atk value in the character screen

[signal hull]

Well no, I guess not linked then. I just gave some of my pvp units whatever OL lines and quit at that.
The only one I worked at was Rosanna.

[shell hazel]

put the team into any mock fight and pause/inspect the buffs, you can see who gets the jumpin jackal flash buff

you don't want unlinked at p1 can die 😛

[nimble swan]

@shell hazel
See you next turn in CA

[dim escarp]

just saw the result lmao, 4-0 nice

[graceful grotto]

ur soda stun that Noah?

[signal hull]

Yeah. Soda always stuns Noah.

[shell hazel]

damn that's you! 😮

[nimble swan]

yeah lol, I will first 2 and lose last 3 haha

[dim escarp]

I wasn't expecting stall team to lose against your sg lmao

[crystal flicker]

I thought you're gonna win T4 and T3 lol

[dim escarp]

[shell hazel]

don't know if your stall can survive double buff scar

[dim escarp]

you got way better invest I guess

[crystal flicker]

And that stall lose against your Cindy is crazy

[shell hazel]

depends how bay is working here

[crystal flicker]

C7 whale power

[shell hazel]

i'll record my games/watch them then analyse the next match

[dim escarp]

[umbral crown]

On my way to get my revenge M01

He stole my frame champ in S4

[shell hazel]

man my matches were wild

[signal hull]

No way I'm winning the next one. Shitguns vs my Scarlet team AGAIN, 4th CA in a row. Screw this whole CA thing, don't care anymore.

[coarse solstice]

👀 👀 👀

[shell hazel]

pascal healing clutch

my matches
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMarh_hT748

t1 - my SG team died so fast lol
t2 - SG's killed themselves on scar counters, don't think she burst
t3 - My Nero is invincible?
t4 - went as expected
t5 - LapT clutched the win against xMaiden

[umbral belfry]

[placid bloom]

how much deficit can Cinderella kill from? 20%?

[umbral belfry]

[placid bloom]

or is that too high

[shell hazel]

@nimble swan

[umbral crown]

New cook doing better than expected

[shell hazel]

t1 - I think you win
t2 - depends if you can tank double buff scar I don't think you kill her before burst
t3 - sg's into nero/moran? I've seen it win but mine is relatively invested and yours are not, I think I win this
t4 - you probably win this
t5 - I should win this your indom looks too slow to survive cindy

so A | ? | D | A | D I think

[umbral belfry]

this is the run

[glad meteor]

^^

can look at this damage as reference

[coarse solstice]

2B can beat fast Cinderella

[crystal flicker]

That's very Lucky ngl

[placid bloom]

how much deficit is that

[nimble swan]

Yeah, it will depend on the outcome of r2. I guess not everyone will die to nuke and it will depend on if the leftovers can win

[shell hazel]

depends how well bay tanks it, my scar usually does decent damage if she gets to bursting

[placid bloom]

hmm so 7% more stat loss

[shell hazel]

I'll vote for you because I am going to the loser frame 😄

[glad meteor]

39 level diff too

[shell hazel]

if you win then I get some credit cases, win/win

[nimble swan]

I actually made a few investments but it was after CA deadline So I'm very curious

[shell hazel]

yeah mine aren't quite done I'm continuing to invest/consider teams for upcoming CA as well, but largely there

you have more room to grow power wise I think

a lot of my units are SR-5 or SR-15 already

[placid bloom]

her burst so slow too

[nimble swan]

I have a lot at SR10, but i'm starved of yellow kits

[shell hazel]

yeah am out also, waiting for next CA I guess then I'll boost what I can

[nimble swan]

I invested in Nero too but I'm not running them until I can make it 2.5RL

[placid bloom]

don't think 2RL Cinderella can kill before 3RL Blanc

[shell hazel]

I wish I had more cores for nero, like I don't need c7 but MLB ish is comfy

mine is 0lb 😦

[nimble swan]

oh, mine is mlb

[shell hazel]

yeah it's my lowest one here just not seen her show up

[nimble swan]

but my biggest issue is that I for god's sake can't get another copy for laplace, she's lb1 since ages and I can't treasure her

[placid bloom]

do you know how much deficit can RH Trina Scar kill from

[coarse solstice]

Isn't it like 25+

[glad meteor]

I have no scar

[placid bloom]

[shell hazel]

grats @cunning crown and @hollow lagoon also through to next round

[placid bloom]

guess I will find out in a few hours when I do my snipe attempt

[shell hazel]

I only got rumani about 2-3 months ago, she's MLB now somehow. when it rains it pours

laplace will pop up when you least expect it

[placid bloom]

when will I get Noah

please rain Noah

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/noah-laugh-nikke-pilgrim-kusogaki-gacha-game-gif-16829301136255588421

[coarse solstice]

About my match or something else?

[nimble swan]

I hope you are right 🫡

[shell hazel]

just gotta believe

may the best commander win tomorrow szil

[nimble swan]

yeah I agree and looking forward

[umbral belfry]

sportsmanship

[swift mango]

She can, just need to one shot everyone

[umbral belfry]

@acoustic light pls don't let ace bully me

[hollow lagoon]

Slay the whale you must

[shell hazel]

all I have is a harpoon

[placid bloom]

I don’t even think they will be dead after both hit land

[crystal flicker]

Yeh your match, though it's nice for more team option

[coarse solstice]

Ive been saying it for a bit now I think 2rl Cindy in baby bracket is bad. Loses to 3rl SBS/Blanc and apparently 3rl 2B/Noah.

[fickle jetty]

this guy changed his team again

[crystal flicker]

That lost to standard 2RL Scarlet Siren or Soda

[fickle jetty]

like this?

[cunning crown]

I have faith in our victories

[shell hazel]

we need a battle royale in the top 8

[cunning crown]

Although saying that last CA's winner is my opponent if I win next so

[molten escarp]

running low on materials...so its time this old guy gets back in the arena.

[shell hazel]

your opponent now I seen before usually does pretty well also

[acoustic light]

its ok lets get bullied together

lmk what u think of the matchup

[umbral belfry]

I'm not 100% sure if blanc will burst in time for t1 bc of rh

[crystal flicker]

Prev champ doesn't guarantee they'll win again

[shell hazel]

not in rng arena anyway

[crystal flicker]

You should believe more in yourself if any

[acoustic light]

t1 is loss I agree

[umbral belfry]

then i fear this is where your story ends, and i will soon follow

[shell hazel]

watching my SPA rival getting stuck at 27-21 (and then 27-24 even if they beat this stage lol)

27-24 was the worst one

[acoustic light]

believe hime t2 3 5 win

[umbral belfry]

for you?

your SGs will be clapped

dove head first into jack

[acoustic light]

rosa remove link?

[umbral belfry]

she does but by then they'll have sm feed

[acoustic light]

but maybe mess up indom?

[umbral belfry]

at best lap will have indom

but if there's no deaths on your side I don't expect a fast rosa snipe

and then if there is a death, you'd still have to deal with Lap zappy zap

[acoustic light]

against anchor healy heal

[umbral belfry]

lock in manchor

[acoustic light]

she's even got sr15 by accident

[umbral belfry]

[umbral belfry]

zappy zap

[umbral crown]

I can confirm this, last season (8 ) i did 4-1 the winner from Season 7

[umbral belfry]

I'm fighting a harran next round

[umbral crown]

Indeed, this is

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/harran-nikke-harran-nikke-gov-nikke-gif-114309825865627160

[hollow lagoon]

I literally mlbed her this week

[umbral belfry]

🐦‍⬛

[shell hazel]

Hime send the wut da hell

[umbral belfry]

[acoustic light]

itd be fun to talk about ur matchups too and then u see harran...

ofc harran wins

[umbral belfry]

harran wins

[fathom rock]

I seriously got 2 mirrors in dice arena

[placid bloom]

[limber patrol]

@onyx scaffold

[placid bloom]

Shoulda got your frames before it became invest mirror guessing game

[limber patrol]

77% lost the bet

[fathom rock]

Not about frames its about creds

[placid bloom]

[fathom rock]

How would this end

[covert lintel]

@raven plover The moment he swapped his team he lost

[raven plover]

Koy prolly gonna win

[fathom rock]

Where you

[raven plover]

or zbwsdm

[covert lintel]

Who?

Oh avalon guy

[umbral belfry]

if tabi is defending, high chance he wins

[raven plover]

me gonna lose against koy next battle

[raven plover]

ye

[dim escarp]

that also might be why, outside of the fact she is C7 I've take a good care of my cinderella

[umbral belfry]

5 sgs will shoot down anchor, anis, rumani one by one

[fathom rock]

Tabi is defending

[umbral belfry]

tabi t4 will likely win

[fathom rock]

I vote tabi

[umbral belfry]

Rosa can live just enough to snipe scar but still has xmaid

[shell hazel]

pascal 😮

[umbral belfry]

my goat

[shell hazel]

bigboi cooked

[fathom rock]

Thats bigboi?

[umbral belfry]

no

[fathom rock]

Good i dont need my ca bracket to be worse

Jwoz so good he runs raven

[molten escarp]

i see the new team comps...

there is so much different from the last time i touched arena

[fathom rock]

Hime using sora and pascal

[molten escarp]

(which was like...almost a year and a half ago)

[fathom rock]

Makes sense

[molten escarp]

i dont really need more than tickets for material but champions arena looks cool i would have qualified back then but not now lol

[fathom rock]

Champion arena is a flip of the coin
Not cool

[umbral belfry]

pascal my goat

[placid bloom]

Everyone suffers equally in CA

[acoustic light]

look at all the people cheering for the red team

[fathom rock]

Not how it works

[umbral crown]

[umbral belfry]

LMAO

[thin abyss]

Can you tell me how is this possible? Even the Nero team did FB first

[unkempt kestrel]

im on his hit list right now

10 attack a day on rookie arena

[fathom rock]

Nero fb first they have their dmg reduction, scar didnt kill them all nero might be able to solo just from her counters

[primal charm]

now sbs can bypass first target immunity officially

[umbral crown]

Share the replay

[glad meteor]

bro is a sadist or something

[umbral crown]

But mostly if the team is invested enough nero gets her stacks and also inmu from biscuit, if nero has rapu alive they can win most matches

[thin abyss]

It's from the previous season when the replays were broken

[glad meteor]

Moran burst in time to tank nuke

[thin abyss]

Or maybe I forgot to record it.

[umbral crown]

Watch this so you can have an idea

[thin abyss]

The more I look at it, the less sense it makes
Between Nero and Moran they should feed Scarlett-jackal enough burst gen to be wiped out first

[umbral crown]

But alsp take in consideration her skills , the speed and what they do, damage reduction works against anything othet than blanc res hood teams

If team os 2.5, moran will burst before Scar does her B3

[quick lake]

invuln still works as intended here. Biscuit invuln rightly applied twice on Blanc

[umbral crown]

Yeah also that, biscuit inmun 5 sec defenders, givin nero more time to tank

[quick lake]

Possible with very invested Nero Moran teams unfortunately

[primal charm]

my bad, i mean the leak distribute dmg to others than first target

[quick lake]

u need taunting defender + invuln iirc

blanc isnt taunting

[glad meteor]

Just make defender lowest defence

[quick lake]

Previously how it worked was that the Defender nikke needs to taunt, and taunts the entire distributed dmg instance. As defender is invuln, all distri dmg becomes invuln

[upper grove]

when is next SP arena shuffle, after this season?

[quick lake]

In this case Blanc has no invuln taunt, so wouldnt apply either way @primal charm

[charred epoch]

Pvp team help?

[primal charm]

taunt*

i got it thanks

[quick lake]

Drake Ein Blanc Liter Tia

Severely lacking pvp units. Dont expect to defend
Wishlist Centi Trina Rumani Noah Scarlet

[charred epoch]

Alright thanks

[clear folio]

i keep running into you lmao, this one pretty close tho i think! gg if u win take it home!

[quick lake]

such friendly pvp

[acoustic light]

right lmao

[wind kelp]

Well that was fun, Jackal and Rapunzel stayed alive long eough for Rapunzel to resurrect Scarlett a second time, against Alice, biscuit, and noise(who did die soon after) 😄

[small hatch]

If scarlet will wipe out enemy team depends on crit rng, her burst skill can hit critically

[acoustic light]

I hope itll be close too but hime's math says its hopeless

[clear folio]

nah im actually worried considering last CA shenanigans , rng Gods will decide

[acoustic light]

trust in the higher commander level

[thorny sequoia]

PvP Gods!

What is a hard counter to this enemy team in green? I usually just use the same team to counter because I'm higher CP but lately I've only been winning about 80%

Thanks in advance 🙏🙏🙏 PvP Gods

[umbral crown]

[glad meteor]

Noise noah helm cindy jackal (noise link preferably)

Noah biscuit emi rh helmt if emi invested

[gritty ridge]

The humble soda

[acoustic light]

higher level always wins yup

[umbral belfry]

dw phoric I'm bad at math

so

[acoustic light]

then what does that make me

[glad meteor]

[placid bloom]

[umbral belfry]

...yes.

[placid bloom]

Believe in the me who believes in your math

Didn’t check matchup btw

[acoustic light]

hime is so humble

[umbral belfry]

[acoustic light]

dont check

[umbral belfry]

if kuwon votes for you you lose

[placid bloom]

Idk who I am even voting for, probably some random match

[umbral belfry]

[placid bloom]

I will see when I log in later

[umbral crown]

[umbral belfry]

after this current one I believe

[upper grove]

thanks

[umbral belfry]

it should say in patch notes

[placid bloom]

Yes in 1 week

[upper grove]

I hope I'm losing some whales after reshuffle

[placid bloom]

Rookie shuffling this week

[umbral belfry]

can't wait to stay in my sp for another 3 months

[gritty ridge]

I hope to be the new whale in someone else's bracket

[upper grove]

each reshuffle introduced more core max whales

[umbral belfry]

folian and i are the biggest whales(f2p) in our server range so I expect no changes

[thorny sequoia]

Both in that order, specifically?
My EMI is maxed as much as possible

[placid bloom]

Tbh when I look at recent clears for campaign it’s mostly the same names, feel like the active playerbase around our account creation time is not that big

So there’s no big movements on shuffle

[glad meteor]

Yeah. Order is important

[placid bloom]

there’s only a few people I can think of that can shuffle into my SPA at this point

[acoustic light]

yea I saw a lot of hime

[umbral belfry]

[placid bloom]

I think GGF is around my acc age

[glad meteor]

Helmt comp to life steal after noah

and emi team to emi nuke after noah

[placid bloom]

And he’s in CA

[glad meteor]

[umbral belfry]

I can't go into your bracket this sucks

[placid bloom]

And he’s the only one atm that stands out

[acoustic light]

so u can bully us

[umbral belfry]

no, so we can test teams

[placid bloom]

[umbral belfry]

I guess the only one I might go into is bigdesti

and nalfen. please nalfen

[acoustic light]

to test teams right

[placid bloom]

I forgot if urawhat is around your acc age

Or if he is later

[umbral belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/xenoverse-goku-super-saiyan-angry-dbz-gif-1416275111944307575

[umbral belfry]

he's a tad bit earlier than me

too far for us to meet

the earliest I've been grouped with was like 10690s

[glad meteor]

NA servers are kinda small compared to global feels like

[placid bloom]

NA playerbase is like 1/3rd the size

[umbral belfry]

🐣

global ca baby bracket ranging from 200-500 with sanis

[placid bloom]

So most of the people you meet in NA is already starting to merge groups

If you are within like a week of creation time

[umbral belfry]

all I can pray for is that the ca reshuffle doesn't take me to the toddler group

bc @clear folio keeps hoping for it

[placid bloom]

It’s just the day 1 playerbase is like 100x bigger so you actually see movement from shuffles

[spare nimbus]

bro are u kidding me wtf is my team doing

[placid bloom]

Our age playerbase shuffle moves like 1-5 people

If even that much

[umbral belfry]

classic blanc'd

[spare nimbus]

bro

like my emilia literally shows as dead

[umbral belfry]

i better not be one of those 5

[spare nimbus]

but then she bursts 💀

like bro 💀

[umbral belfry]

LMAO

this game

[spare nimbus]

she is literally dead how did she burst 💀

[umbral belfry]

both the emi's deciding to take a break

[spare nimbus]

dude how does this even happen

[umbral belfry]

idk in that specific situation but blanc is known for being a bit rng

one emi on the ground dead but showing indom, the other side dead but still bursting

[spare nimbus]

bro i just realized

[glad meteor]

Emi got indom but died in the same frame

[spare nimbus]

why tf is his red hood bursting 💀

when his emi is alive

[umbral belfry]

LMAO

[glad meteor]

Emi is dead. Its just the camera?

[umbral belfry]

I hops they change the camera

[placid bloom]

Camera can flip to other side

[spare nimbus]

oh

[glad meteor]

Yeah

[spare nimbus]

that would make sense then

bro why does SU do this man

[placid bloom]

Your team is the one that is RH bursting

[glad meteor]

I hate the camera

[umbral belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/vhs-vintage-camcorder-video-spinning-gif-1073241402710629899

[acoustic light]

LMAO

[spare nimbus]

man if only my blanc wasn't stupid

ofc emi died right before indom activated

why is that a thing anyway?

i never understood why blanc's indom has that slight activation delay when she bursts

[placid bloom]

To match the animation

Gotta wait for the graphics to finish playing

Can’t be indom before Blanc gives them kiss

[acoustic light]

worth it

[placid bloom]

Meanwhile Scarlet slash so fast you don’t even reach full burst

[umbral crown]

Imagine the camera boi during champ

[spare nimbus]

how long has su worked on champion arena?

like 2 years?

they need to fire the guy who decided to make it the most confusing thing in the world

[umbral crown]

https://tenor.com/view/caught-in4k-mugi-k-on-caught-in720p-gif-24013181

[spare nimbus]

i lose braincells watching my replays

[thorny sequoia]

Thank you PvP god bro 🙏 🙏 Praise be 🙏

[placid bloom]

Yeah it doesn’t even display the deaths in real time either, it will rewind to like a second before they died every time it shows a kill

Kind of annoying

[umbral belfry]

pvp god k

[spare nimbus]

don't even get me started on how slow everything is

takes like 15 seconds to load anything after clicking something

[umbral crown]

Kara pvp god

[umbral crown]

K evolved

[umbral belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/gettowork-meditation-gif-13425937

[steady patio]

drunk scarlet finally came home, looking for assistance building pvp teams (rookie and SP arena). i've only gotten so far as "put jackal and scarlet on a team, then biscuit and noah on another, and sit there with no idea what to do next". any help would be appreciated

[placid bloom]

Your batteries look kind of low CP, maybe it’s time you work on your dolls and OL

You might get CP gapped on your fast teams

Trina needs sync

[steady patio]

yeah, haven't put anything on centi/anis and similar batteries yet

[placid bloom]

Looks like you are missing Noise but it’s okay

[steady patio]

sounds like a progress goal for now, shouldnt take too long

also yeah noise refuses to come home

just my luck i suppose

also my understanding of what makes a battery char good is sorta just "clip rl = good" and thats it

[placid bloom]

Scar Trina RH Centi Jackal is a good start, can also do Mermaid Scar Trina Centi Jackal
Noah Biscuit Cinderella HelmT Rumani, no way to play around Mermaid without a second taunt but it is what it is
3rd team can CP pad for now.
That’s 7 chars for you to work on already, which should take you a good 2 months maybe depending on what CP you end up with your defense might not hold though, they can just swing over it with campaign team

After those 7 you can start working on some more heavier invest chars like Blanc, Rapunzel, Moran, Anis (naturally low CP because SR), Bay

[plain crescent]

Sp arena teams? (I have a sad roster ik 💔)

[steady patio]

huge thanks! 2 questions:

1. i'm assuming i just copy paste the same teams into defense as well?
2. also assuming i can just take one of these teams, or just take a cp padded team into rookie?

[placid bloom]

Teams are always for blind defense only, because if you’re attacking you craft your attack to win the matchup

You never blind swing on attack

[steady patio]

understood, it's like i dont wanna pick an attack team that feeds jackal burst gen, for example

[placid bloom]

Yes, you don’t run AoE into Noah, don’t run single target into Biscuit wall, etc.

[steady patio]

also just to make sure, i should lay out the team in exactly the order you mentioned because of how almost everything smacks the p5 position first?

[placid bloom]

For rookie you can use a mix of your stronger chars, for SPA you have to split Scar and HelmT because it’s a waste to run them on the same team but for rookie you put them together because HelmT will have much higher CP than your other options

Order should be as I listed unless you are tailoring a more specific strategy

[steady patio]

iirc on defense, the positions are mirrored? does that mean if jackal is in my p5 slot in preview, it'll be in p1 in the actual match?

[placid bloom]

3rd team CP pad I guess

[glad meteor]

No

Main thing to worry about on atk defence is usually sg/sr priority

Atk SR hit p5
Def SG hit P5

Everything else prios p1

[steady patio]

makes sense, ty ty

[somber wedge]

So looking at the PVP teams I can only manage like 110k for a meta team vs my normal team. How much CP deficit can a meta team overcome into a regular one

[shell hazel]

84.6% deficit you hit like 20% stat penalty or so

team on right would smash team on left due to deficit as it only scales up from there

but no one is really building SR Anis until much later on, even I haven't yet and I'm almost 350 sync and mainly investing in my pvp

so you're better off trying to mix high cp campaign units with the odd meta unit, for example you can run scarlet/blanc/rh together

[placid bloom]

Seem Scar Trina RH can’t lethal at deficit

Rip

Neither can Cinderella

[knotty fern]

does 3rl rosa nuke through bay 2rl?

if helm and emilia are use

something comp like moran helm,ray emilia and soda vs 3rl sg with rosa

[twilit bay]

Didn't work when I tried it. Rosa had 4 attack lines and 1 ele line.

[glad meteor]

Bay cover tanks rosa nuke

[wind kelp]

Phew, finally got a tetra defender chest, so Rumani is 4loaded. On to the next! 😄 looks at Moran

Moran or DoroV2.

[lone sequoia]

work at 20~30% cp deficit depending on the element of the enemy units

[wind kelp]

I could also work on Laplace, would benefit both pvp and tower, i think Treasure Lappy is still good at pvp?

[lone sequoia]

laplaceT is a good unit, but depends in how you build her, different uses but mainly for dmg

[placid bloom]

Only 16% deficit, can’t lethal 3RL Noise Noah Cindy Biscuit LapT maybe I’m just potato, I only have like 27% Atk OL but even if it was 40% I still don’t think I lethal because they had like half HP left. Maybe they have some cs to get Noise burst in time though

Or maybe I bursted RH B2 because Trina died to LapT right before she could burst

I wasn’t paying too close attention

[wicked horizon]

I'm guessing attacker wins 3-2?

[wise horizon]

Need help with SP Arena defense.

[strange linden]

putting cinderella on P1 is suicide right?

[tropic summit]

depends on what your plan is

force enemy team to burst early because you've invulnerability? would work

on defense? opponent can use it against you

[strange linden]

oh so that's why I saw so many CA team with Cindy p1

[wise horizon]

whats a good counter to a Scarlet-led Soda team?
Scarlet/Trina/Soda/HelmT/Jackal

[placid bloom]

2RL Rosanna

[tropic summit]

@glad meteor @umbral crown @eager mountain wait... i thought bay wasn't supposed to eat cindy nuke entirely, what.
how did my bay do that
i didn't put weird things in her breakfast

[placid bloom]

that's the only guaranteed counter, everything else has to deal with Soda RNG

[glad meteor]

Who said that

Her cover tanks the whole nuke

[tropic summit]

damn now i need to reconsider her

maybe even treasure her and pat her back

[glad meteor]

Nero still better sadly

[tropic summit]

my nero is on the bench, in her slippers, with 0 intention of being invested in until way later

[placid bloom]

it always tanks the entire nuke, if the cover is popped it's because something else hit it with FB multiplier like LapT before Cinderella nuke could land

[glad meteor]

I’m just suprised bay burst in time

[tropic summit]

in that team only centi has CS%

[glad meteor]

Quantum and 3rl

[umbral crown]

Bay does and holds more than noah in that case

[glad meteor]

Interesting

[tropic summit]

@umbral crown my 4RL cindy stopped at 6/1 sadly, not unbeatable

now i need to try with bugmidhara next time

[umbral crown]

I know blood say that because people said bay blocks some of the hits

[umbral crown]

[umbral crown]

But 6-1 is nice

[glad meteor]

midhara

[placid bloom]

how much deficit can Helm nuke Jackal links

with no buff

[tropic summit]

i was doing it on 18%

[placid bloom]

buff less?

[tropic summit]

still lethal, but it had laplace helping and RH buffing

[placid bloom]

hmm

[tropic summit]

noah biscuit helmt rh laplace

(needs quantum lvl 7 to hit 2RL)

[placid bloom]

don't think I can fit buffer, RH already taken by Scarlet

[tropic summit]

hmm try to fit a liter maybe?

scarlet trina liter is also lethal if you wanna swap around RH

this was against opponent 50+ levels above

although i don't think it was on deficit

15%ish iirc

[placid bloom]

my CP too low with Liter, I think I will have to try DrakeT buff and hope it's enough

I just have to pray they have no cs

[quartz rover]

Im quite popular around here

Now how am I gonna beat juvia

So cooked

Kinda curious how they have 240k, I barely have 190k with my main team

[scarlet adder]

do i win? who gets blanc indo there?

[scarlet adder]

rank 8 gets hit by diamond 1 where is a lot of guys no wonder

[quartz rover]

The 3 people who hit me has beaten me before

But I updated my defense and they cant survive the nukes

[crystal flicker]

Indom should go to Scarlet or Centi

The question is rather can you kill RH before she bypass Biscuit's Immune

T2 is OK

[eager mountain]

and now u gonna trasure her before poli and tove, traitor

[scarlet adder]

she bypasses immunity? how?you mean random shooting in b3? i heard union range before fight helps with that.

[unique wagon]

Rip Biscu

[scarlet adder]

wouldn't indo go to jackal? she would not be linked (rossana)and i would be attacking her?

[glad meteor]

Centi is bursting

[crystal flicker]

Oh ye

[crystal flicker]

Seems like a win

[gritty ridge]

What happened

I dont see how rh buffed helm wouldnt nuke this team

[glad meteor]

Cindy decoy tank helm nuke

[spiral onyx]

https://youtu.be/AEu9PmKAt7o

[onyx scaffold]

Cinderella p1

[glad meteor]

Maybe

[scarlet adder]

i still don't understand how that decoy works 😄 is it randomly placed on other nikke or always on specific one?

[glad meteor]

Certain nikkes like cindirella and rei have a decoy

Only they have it . Delta too. But she needs to burst if I’m not mistaken

[scarlet adder]

but how it tanked helm burst? wouldn't helm not hit her but only hit alice, helm and jackal?

[gritty ridge]

I fixed

[glad meteor]

Helm targets highest attack. When cindirella enter b3 status she gets a huge attack buff

[gritty ridge]

I was like 1.5 rl, idk how they burst

[scarlet adder]

you must feed jackal probably

because otherwise their burst gen suk

[gritty ridge]

I do with siren, but I didnt think it was that much

[wise horizon]

is there a tier list for PvP?

for the new treasures

[gritty ridge]

Idk about a proper tier list, but of the 4 new treasures only bay is kinda worth

[scarlet adder]

i don't know if anyone phase 3 them

[gritty ridge]

Poli can go p5 sg I suppose but I think theres better options

Afaik pvp treasures go helm>laplace>drake>bay

[hollow lagoon]

Then ur Trina died?

[gritty ridge]

I mean on 2nd attempt

[vivid basalt]

Hello i need to fix my team to beat this player

[crystal flicker]

T1 lose to standard 2RL Cindy
T2 lose to standard 2RL Scarlet
T3 lose to Blanc Emi

[calm zealot]

Hello commanders. been awhile but i think its time to make new team for arena. Any team comps that could help me out?

[quartz rover]

what sorta cubes do I put on ein and sbs

better yet who gets what cube? jackal has vigor so she doesnt get indom

I just put highest level cubes on dps and randomly placed rest on others

[wise horizon]

So a person I attacked hasn’t been online for a while but still managed to attack me back. It’s possible?

[quartz rover]

may just be a bot

[analog jolt]

Guys, what do you recommend to beat this guy?

[quartz rover]

idk but that linup looks toxic

[analog jolt]

It makes me mad

[twilit bay]

That team is very slow, just use 2RL Cindy. Don't put your b2 at p1

[analog jolt]

That looks strong. I will start building that team since it will be useful in general anyways

[gritty ridge]

Where's rail, I havent seen em in a while

I gotta terrorize em

[umbral crown]

In my CA saw someone with phase 3 but i will be there in like 9 days

[lunar pawn]

mm what can I run vs this guy now? @tropic summit the old team no longer works