pvp-arena

[tropic summit]

as for dolls, SR5 or R15 are a good stopping point, aim for the first

[rose oracle]

[hexed zephyr]

On those 4 and ya I got them to sr5 already . Seen pry too but I was just considering ways to lower the power deficit under i think what 15%? vs other players around me. That’s why I wanted to check if it’s stupid to do that or ok if im using them a lot for PvP. Idk exactly how much power is gained from 4 ol lv 0 vs 4 ol max lv as well as 444 vs all 10 skills, or sr5 vs sr15 doll.

[glad meteor]

[primal charm]

do cindy decoy block helm ulti chat

[glad meteor]

If she has highest attack and there is no taunt yes

[tropic summit]

yes 15.4%, or multiply enemy CP for 0.846 to tell minimun requirement

[dim escarp]

[tropic summit]

🍿

[placid bloom]

[dim escarp]

[hexed zephyr]

U talked about Rapunzel too. I Rapunzel I think I read could be useful at times in story/raid too right? U think that might be best for me to focus on to get the most use in all modes or first do like noise? And eventually something like Noise > Rumani > Noah > Biscuit > Rapunzel?

[tropic summit]

i personally used rapunzel also outside of pvp, in some stages and in some SRs, but she's not particularly pve core

[tropic summit]

you can indeed improve rapunzel for last, noah biscuit noise rumani take precedence

[ionic rose]

question if two shotgun teams vs each other and Rosana is on P5, which means the defending shotgun team would not be able to target P5 as the starting target, would the target go to P4 or P1?

[tropic summit]

p4

[ionic rose]

gg i lost

[tropic summit]

[ionic rose]

literally mirror team with poli on P1 but im the attacker

[tropic summit]

oof

[hexed zephyr]

Alright. Thanks for the help. One day I’ll have them all done I guess

[tropic summit]

pvp has no deadline and no end, take ur time

meta can also change from here to a few months

maybe another accident like emilia gets released, who knows

[hybrid fox]

should still win?

[keen vapor]

I'll say yes but I think those enemy RL have charge speed

[tropic summit]

T1: jackal-less scarlet, you might lose helmt and rumani/noise depending on rosanna targetting, win
T2: you'll kill noise, not sure if you'll make it in time to kill helmt else you're ded, potentially lose
T3: unless you kill noah, and with those units i doubt, your nuke gets absorbed, likely to lose

if you're confident in your SGs. you can run them against the noah team instead

anis is gonna take a few hits to die, if you dig through both noah and anis, they're B2less, can't burst

[hybrid fox]

can I modtify my scar team to win against team 2?

[tropic summit]

additionally noah is needed to hit 2RL, so as long as you kill even just noah, you'll likely kick them back on burst gen

[hybrid fox]

I can try, but definitely get assurance with scar team first?

[tropic summit]

that team is likely a 2RL bay

which would be a scarlet direct counter

i'd say go with the SG team against noah and record it, if anything it's gonna be interesting to test your SG invest

but i'd say your odds against them should be good

you could replace blanc with naga to ensure you've extra SG pressure

[hybrid fox]

if I lose
I will bite u

record huh, alright

[tropic summit]

ye we can tell CS% at least

can serve you for future matchups

[keen vapor]

Cool, not me

[tropic summit]

probably one of the most important bit of info

[hybrid fox]

let me boot up my PC nikke then

[upper grove]

can someone explain when blanc indom fails?

I can see her bursting but the unit receiving the buff dies

[tropic summit]

describe fail, misindom or just doesn't cast

[keen vapor]

[tropic summit]

oh that, it's timing

[hybrid fox]

log in fails

[tropic summit]

got banned

[upper grove]

I see

[tropic summit]

problem solved, no longer need to play pvp

[upper grove]

so when her buff should apply on someone and that unit dies the same second, it won't work?

[keen vapor]

Power up your dying unit

[tropic summit]

there's a very brief delay for when the buff is applied, similarly to noah

if nuke and buff application are really close to each other, unit receives healing, but can still die

[upper grove]

that explains it, thanks

[tropic summit]

tbh it's probably more of a bug than intended

because if the unit received the healing, the buff should also be applied

but it's nikke and 🍝 code

[hybrid fox]

bloody re log in

fix your game

[tropic summit]

start the launcher, log out, log in, start game

[hybrid fox]

u have now entered the eternal loading of victory

[upper grove]

great spaghetti code

made it out of the bracket since forever, cheering myself to get losing frame

[keen vapor]

My Emilia could ever

[tropic summit]

yes that never happened before to you

[keen vapor]

Said ever!

[hybrid fox]

got it
wow bay is op... my scar is trash

[crystal flicker]

The very reason why you should run Biscuit in Cindy comp

[tropic summit]

you could get triple win with SBS indom against their T2

use naga instead of blanc in T3 and indom in T2

remove scarlet and run SBS if a next similar matchup

(and ofc trina switch with blanc)

[crystal flicker]

My Cindy goes against Bay Moran, no dmg fr

[tropic summit]

oh bay with biscuit

were they 2.5RL?

[crystal flicker]

It should be

[tropic summit]

hmm then you hit for 3/5 of damage (biscuit s2 on moran and bay)

[crystal flicker]

Otherwise Cindy should kill HelmT from ELE

[tropic summit]

well you still hit ele weak link

but only 3 targets took damage out of 5, plus moran DR

considering your cindy is invested and noise buffed, that's remarkable

[crystal flicker]

Yeh

[tropic summit]

you could call that budget nero moran

[crystal flicker]

He paid the price with Cindy comp against SG lol

[tropic summit]

oof

[coarse lake]

prob just blocked by bay cover

[crystal flicker]

They still haven't fix the Noah immune but dmg goes through lmao

[unique timber]

Hey guys, I just dumped half my stash pulling for summer Rosanna and Sakura. Was able to fill some holes in my roster and want to overhaul my pvp teams since ive been putting it off. Any recommendations welcome

[tropic summit]

@gritty ridge @keen vapor there's work

[gritty ridge]

I'd love to but im booked for the next 6 hours

Weekends are my busy days

[valid inlet]

Had a similar lose of my Cindy team to BayT biscuit team

[tropic summit]

wew double cycle kicked in

that's actually also a decent rookie team

i've seen my chinnits doing similar stuff

[bleak shale]

bigboi is a pvper now?

[tropic summit]

no worries, we'll leave it to @keen vapor

[gritty ridge]

Alright im off, dont have too much fun without me

[umbral belfry]

what happened here

wanna watch but working g

[tropic summit]

4RL vs 2.5RL

alice got sniped, enemy revived, you out traded

[umbral belfry]

is nero's dmg supposed to be this high though

[tropic summit]

the sheer difference in damage dealt by nero is also showing that their nero died fairly early to DPS

yours stayed alive the whole time

[umbral belfry]

it was a fairly bad nero tho

good cat

[tropic summit]

agreed

[keen vapor]

7 images

[tropic summit]

the mines call for your name

[umbral belfry]

lewd

[keen vapor]

waiting to load

[tropic summit]

what's lewd about that picture

she looks cute

[cunning crown]

as it was foretold

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/guild-wars2-gw2-guild-wars-end-of-dragons-eo-d-gif-22530689

[fleet skiff]

is my jackal too weak for PVP rookie defense?

[tropic summit]

she's missing 3 OLs, kinda

[crystal flicker]

Soda really wants SR15 for this case

[fleet skiff]

okay

[tropic summit]

why not soda p2 anyway

jackal has better stats/core surely

[fleet skiff]

was going to pair her with Scarlet as well

[tropic summit]

ye they generally go together

[umbral belfry]

[fleet skiff]

think it was like this

[glad meteor]

I’m trying to watch but the ca camera is stupid as usual

Got watch it through looking at hp

I hate shift up

[crystal flicker]

I actually wondering if I should go back putting Scarlet at P1 with the risk of Noah atk red

[keen vapor]

Synch that jackal and centi!

[unique timber]

aye aye

[tropic summit]

hmm a while back we cooked this
#pvp-arena message

the fact you're moving helmt from T3 means you're thinking of new teams right?

[fleet skiff]

But that's not for Rookie though is it ?

[tropic summit]

oh you meant as rookie team

[fathom rock]

Sr5 first

[fleet skiff]

Also will this team still be powerful if not all my Nikke in this list are built?

[tropic summit]

based on ur former box i'd go with this, as you get to use noir and blanc

you won't maximize on scarlet although, but it will serve to protect you against non sweaties

[hollow lagoon]

rookie team is more of what ur fighting kind of deal

[shell hazel]

don't love my next matches (I'm def/top)

[umbral belfry]

@acoustic light and nice doro pfp

[fleet skiff]

Okay thank you

[unique timber]

I just realized another image also didn't make it through, sorry

[fleet skiff]

updated

[tropic summit]

ye i'd say it's unchanged for the most part, go with the above for now

once you get trina it can be upgraded further

[hexed zephyr]

Those 4 are all sr5 atm already

[fleet skiff]

this is my current rookie arena defense

[hollow lagoon]

railtracer's team is still def ur best team

[hollow lagoon]

use the same team @tropic summit made for u

[fleet skiff]

okay I will try that

[fleet skiff]

thank you

It's nice I get to still use Blanc and Noir

[hollow lagoon]

if u do champ arena u still get to use both

[fathom rock]

You can try sr5 some more you use, sr15 gets expensive very fast

[tropic summit]

grab your popcorns

[fleet skiff]

For bigger arena, does that Railtracer setup still work for me if not all of the Nikke in that setup is built?

[keen vapor]

My mobile data

[shell hazel]

I should win 2 maybe they'll be shooting at immune scarlet for a bit

[hollow lagoon]

its ur only coherant team at the moment

[shell hazel]

plus it's 2RL

[keen vapor]

Synch Rapunzel...

[shell hazel]

my stall I think on 3 is better invested a bit

[tropic summit]

it's dependant on how fast midhara and drake or bsoda die

[hollow lagoon]

u gotta win then kill me so u can ping my sorry ass post slaying the whale meme gif

[fleet skiff]

Is that for attack or defense?

[shell hazel]

some ?? in these matches for sure

I dunno how much ammo opponent scar has will have to wait, can't see previous qual matches

[umbral belfry]

@wet crystal this happened bc you went to play wuwa

[wet crystal]

[acoustic light]

the frame looks nice right?

[wet crystal]

I was right? Thought so

[acoustic light]

also hime top 8 easy

[umbral belfry]

yeah it's cute almost makes me wanna change mine

[acoustic light]

sorry folian

[umbral belfry]

we gotta get you back in the pvp gym

granted the last 2 have just been very bad luck for you

[wet crystal]

Noooo, investments are going into raid units atm

[tropic summit]

your attack teams are likely gonna be these

[umbral belfry]

and then, i try to get revenge on zid

also @acoustic light my stall team can't escape from your defending SG god damn

https://tenor.com/view/akira-leave-me-alone-leave-me-alone-meme-gif-6420351794930725971

[fleet skiff]

Should I still use them when they are this weak?

[umbral belfry]

[fleet skiff]

For rookie?

[tropic summit]

yeah you can use emi, raise her CP first though

[acoustic light]

and I cant escape ace top 32

[glad meteor]

you ady champ. I expect 3%

[acoustic light]

this will be the third or fourth time

[keen vapor]

@unique timber fill second team with Rapi or Ein

If you choose Rapi might as well use Rosanna instead of Red Hood

Third team auto till you overload those teams

[fleet skiff]

I don't like this Nikke though

[umbral belfry]

I haven't checked your matches but lock in pls or else I get bullied

[tropic summit]

then don't use her, although she's a very strong nuker and battery at same time

[umbral belfry]

I will try to lock in

[keen vapor]

Put quantum cube on jackal and centi

[umbral belfry]

also jwoz made it so there's chance for your bully redemption

[glad meteor]

[umbral belfry]

okie back to work

[fleet skiff]

What cube and will putting an SR doll unupgraded her be good?

[keen vapor]

You think I like Naga?

[tropic summit]

for dolls, go from R0 to R15, then into SR5, don't go straight to SR0

[fleet skiff]

I don't like Tia or Naga or the sailor maids so I won't be using them ever

[tropic summit]

as for cubes it's depending on where you're gonna use her, in general as battery quantum or adjutant, as nuker you may need temperance or vigor

[tropic summit]

she likes blanc and noir, that's good enough

[keen vapor]

what about Cocoa

[fathom rock]

Rail you told me to indirectly lv8 tempering, refused to elaborate further and left

[fleet skiff]

but I already have 5 SR RL ready and also these materials

[unique timber]

atk and def?

[tropic summit]

i don't recommend jumping straight to SR0 but do what you want

another specific someone learned her lesson before, @umbral belfry

[fleet skiff]

I do not like the small looking Nikke, I only use the women and 1 meta Nikke which is Liter which I want to replace with Siren at some point

[fathom rock]

Thw only leason i keep learning is that pvp and sr is not meant for me

[tropic summit]

specifically follow blood's advise, 7 or 11

[glad meteor]

The rosy method

[fathom rock]

7 11?

The teams you gave me had 5 tempering users

[tropic summit]

no i meant levels

but ye the nero moran needs it on 5 members

[keen vapor]

It'll be better to show target first

Like really, overload your teams cuz combat power is very important

[tropic summit]

it assumes you're facetanking so they want those

[fathom rock]

Ik you did but that means you want me to lv11 tempering

[tropic summit]

obviously.

[fleet skiff]

I also still have these cause I don't like the Nikke it gives you

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/do-it-star-wars-emperor-palpatine-palpatine-gif-799657800635657398

[fathom rock]

See you in 2026

My bastion aint even lv11 yet

[keen vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/renge-xaden-guy-lee-ora-ora-ora-ora-ora-ora-ora-ora-ora-gif-23859509

[unique timber]

Im sitting on a hoard of resources right now waiting for this so I'll get dumping

[keen vapor]

[fathom rock]

You sound like someone would like manchor

[shell hazel]

My matches if anyone wants to see:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40OBbNgBVu4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v27UD13gIA4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7janqhFly3s

[keen vapor]

MODS! SPAM!

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/quiet-you-quiet-you-simpsons-quiet-you-mr-peabody-gif-16847549787325972281

[keen vapor]

Oh, you scared me (ᗜ៱ᗜ)

[shell hazel]

I just posted the links discord posted the spam 😄

blame mr.Discord

[keen vapor]

Retro I was suffering without her 😭 my SBS team was bricking

[shell hazel]

@tropic summit @umbral belfry not fully confident I can win next but we lock in anyway 🔒

wish me luck

[tropic summit]

you win or lose nothing, it's just RNG games
you'll be fine

[shell hazel]

I have more cp overall but some of my matchups less ideal

oh well 🙂

[ionic rose]

https://tenor.com/view/renge-eye-twinkle-gif-13913000

[tropic summit]

i'll quote rosy "trust your invest" [c]

[shell hazel]

we believe

I continue to invest, my opponent is some servers earlier than me think I pushing better in general

ah no they're actually a bit later than me haha, oh well, I still pushing higher chapters and such 😛

[glad meteor]

Tank double buff scar

Even helm didnt die

[shell hazel]

yeah I noticed that as well 😄

[glad meteor]

Bro isn’t your laplace linked to jackal?

[shell hazel]

no I was trying before CA but failed like 8 times to roll atk on her the one time I needed it

[glad meteor]

[shell hazel]

ran out of rocks

[glad meteor]

Thats crazy, cindy higher atk than lap+

[shell hazel]

yeah my cindy is 45% atk though

lapT is 0%

I burnt a number of rocks trying to fix it but oh well, rng not there this time

by next CA I should have it solved

just working out stuff and seeing what I want to run longer term still, the jackal/cindy comp is the first time I ran that so far

in general I think it might be too resource intensive and better with jackal/noah split out

[icy ridge]

Can someone help me with making teams for pvp? Im fairly new so idk what Im doing

[tropic summit]

start by posting your box without units selected and ordered by strength

[icy ridge]

okay one sec

[gritty ridge]

@tropic summit would you mind building me some indom skeletons when you get a chance?

[glad meteor]

Clash royale meets nikke

[tropic summit]

[tropic summit]

indom helmt blanc flex jackal
indom blanc rh flex jackal
blanc indom rapu flex flex
blanc indom biscuit flexSG centi/rumani
jackal siren flex indom flex

[shell hazel]

always you, the one with the hat

[tropic summit]

[icy ridge]

this is my box if anyone can help with teams

[gritty ridge]

I won team 1 and 2 for almost every match, and indom rh was too slow

Anyways, my break is over

Cya

[gritty ridge]

Thx

[shell hazel]

we can only get stronger from here

[gritty ridge]

Tho my stall team lost to svar sonehow

[icy ridge]

Any advice for these teams anyone?

[restive willow]

Does noise s1 have any burst gen, like Jackal s1?

[placid bloom]

no since it doesn't hit enemies

[restive willow]

going back one step, does Jackal feed include scarlet reflection? The matchup is like this. Clearly the Cindy team has at most 86.57% burst gen at 2RL, and the replay says no one hit their 3rd shot at 2RL timing. The feed from the Scarlet team is only 10.65% (with P1 and P2 linked). The total is 97.22%, which is not enough for full burst at 2RL. Yet the Cindy team managed to do a 2RL burst, judging frame by frame on when each respective B1 buff applied (noise and RH applied at the same time)

I'm confused where the extra 2.78% burst gen came from

[tropic summit]

if you need accurate calculation, this one is even better

https://nikke.work/

it accounts for links aswell and bullet count

[tropic summit]

if noise linked and you're feeding with ar, they do get some burst gen out of it

keep in mind jackal is also in p2

[restive willow]

Well yes, I presume the 10.65% figure on the page is the P1+P2 link feed

Didn't know about the AR aspect though, how does it have extra feed?

[tropic summit]

you're also shooting p5 with RH but that's a few bullets from RH at best

[tropic summit]

no just AR shoots more bullets than others, hence why 10%

[restive willow]

Yeah I am aware, so what I wrote should have all the feed aspect in there I would presume. AR shoots once every 3 frames, so at 2RL the hit count is at most 26, checks out

[placid bloom]

0 cs defense with 3 quantums gets 4 Jackal procs, so Scar counter would add to bullet count

both teams burst on same frame

[restive willow]

Oh, so scarlet counter does add to jackal s1 feed

[placid bloom]

whether Jackal procs counts towards enemy Jackal proc is something else

[fathom rock]

Dont trust rocks thi

[tropic summit]

keep in mind that jackal team is very commited, noah jackal noise in the same team means some other teams are suffering

at best works in rookie or as an attack team

[restive willow]

That's not my team. I saw a random replay posted somewhere

made me curious where 2RL was coming from

[tropic summit]

mhm makes sense

funzies with linked unit for the most part

[spare nimbus]

Do i lose this? Im the top

[restive willow]

Hmm now I wonder where the old site is missing the burst gen

[tropic summit]

probably doesn't account for average scarlet s2 and links

[placid bloom]

work just gives an estimate for 30% average proc rate

you can always low roll

[restive willow]

actually if you switch scarlet with blanc on the new site, the 2RL proc stays the same

[placid bloom]

or high roll

[tropic summit]

ye it doesn't account for counters

[restive willow]

as in, just put in a random AR instead of Scarlet, and the cindy team is still 2RL

[umbral crown]

Hahaha nice, let me see how it went for me

[placid bloom]

seems there is bullet count diff between work and deck. Deck says 2RL AR shoots 21 bullets, work says 26 (5.2% gen at 0.2 per hit)

[umbral belfry]

lock in

[restive willow]

Oh, that's a major error

[umbral belfry]

[restive willow]

1 + 76/3 = 26.33 so the 26 is correct. That's where the burst gen is missing on the site i see

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/lock-in-goku-goku-angry-locked-in-dragon-ball-gif-7180579013206183425

[restive willow]

@lusty gull There's somethin wrong with the feed calculation

[shell hazel]

how is your next matches?

[lusty gull]

about hit count ? yes, it's outdated data, i only updated burst gen from jp until now

[umbral crown]

Ez

[cunning crown]

lelouch lost

[umbral crown]

Is he here?

@tropic summit your friendo Creed

Look at M01... i shouod have gotten champ winners frame but lost against him in S4, not gonna happen this time

[unique mountain]

Who will win

[stuck hearth]

Depressing way to start the day

[eager mountain]

[dim escarp]

@crystal flicker they really bet on the guy with highest level and all in if there's a C7

[eager mountain]

thats what ppl do

[dim escarp]

(me too but it's because I believe)

[dim escarp]

if they knew

I trust my invest but I know he's full focus on pvp

when I m just hybrid trying to juggle with both

[umbral crown]

Always trust your investments

[umbral belfry]

maincord pvp fight

[dim escarp]

[small surge]

@bronze drift why is it always you…

[dim escarp]

[gritty ridge]

Wtf happened, this team specifically counters scar

[umbral crown]

Moran and soda feedin

[umbral belfry]

it does but in your case, bc you're so uninvested that mightve been enough

I think even with feed bay shouldn't go after scar

I think

[gritty ridge]

Bay ate scar burst

[umbral belfry]

yeah in this case you're just too uninvested

[gritty ridge]

I think trina messed up my helm burst

Cuz if helm hits invul scar, no dice

[umbral belfry]

soda died to linked scar counters and moran basically died after fb

[umbral crown]

Si

[umbral belfry]

so yes its a winnable matchup usually, but bc you're uninvested due to a newer acc (understandable), you lost solely due to that

[gritty ridge]

Why did i have to get put in a group with everyone over 100 levels above me

[umbral belfry]

[umbral crown]

Investment gap, but remember

[umbral belfry]

soon your acc will grow big and strong

[shell hazel]

[umbral crown]

Everyones locked at lv400

[shell hazel]

one day you'll get to bully all the new players

[umbral belfry]

bigbully

[shell hazel]

big boi bully

[umbral crown]

So CA is more of an investment and team building

[gritty ridge]

My team 1 and 2 won most of my matches actually

My team 3 was too slow

[shell hazel]

just got to RNG where they go

[gritty ridge]

3rl rh indom even biscuit locked doesnt work ig

[shell hazel]

still my craziest quals ever, can't improve on this really

[umbral belfry]

not bad for a first time ca tho. good job

[umbral crown]

This season im going in believer mode, without buscuit

[umbral belfry]

me too 5-0 2x

3 if you wanna count the bot lol

[shell hazel]

need 3x 5-0 for true faith build

nah bots don't count

[umbral belfry]

[shell hazel]

you need to recruit more humans (or doggos)

[dim escarp]

godlike

[gritty ridge]

This team had 0 losses which i can at least be proud of

[umbral belfry]

looks similar to my finals team

just centi instead of trina

[gritty ridge]

Btw is cindy helm proof?

[umbral belfry]

I think burst hits decoy but don't quote me on that

[gritty ridge]

I put her with jackal thinking she'd protect team from helm snipe

Cuz shes highest attack

[umbral belfry]

well you'd have 2rl noah so she'd protected regardless

[gritty ridge]

Yeah 2rl with a little bit of feed

[umbral belfry]

oh I know

[quartz rover]

I love to watch the max core treasure helm get obliterated

[umbral crown]

Nero moran ( well invested) , ez win

[restive willow]

I just noticed, they fixed the even frame odd frame issue with B1 activation. Nice

[quartz rover]

so does ein actually work in pvp as a nuke even if she's not invested?

[umbral belfry]

needs blanc and rh

[umbral crown]

Ein as long has RH or Blanc gonna do the magic

[quartz rover]

I have a cindy, would that work better?

[umbral crown]

If well invested even without them

[keen vapor]

We still missing 100k power

[umbral crown]

Cindy has less gen but should

[quartz rover]

my ein does have a pretty good ol roll

[gritty ridge]

Btw this is my stall team vs slower stall team. This is the match I was most curious abt

[quartz rover]

one singular rock used on her

[umbral crown]

[quartz rover]

oh nvm it wasnt ein, it was sbs

we love one rocks

[unique timber]

yeah, I got gear to overload and they all have at least blue doll but im out of kits to level those at the moment. I brought up skills to prydwen recommendations but I can probabaly go a little higher with the codes I saved

[quartz rover]

I don't even use prydwen or nikke gg skill recs

I use this https://discord.com/channels/946719263866101821/1239347454252683284

[scarlet adder]

what do you think?( i know rumani should switch with centi)

[spiral onyx]

https://youtu.be/GQE85gYSDrQ

[umbral belfry]

@acoustic light you shipped your stall team too early i fear

[umbral crown]

@midnight marsh how things looking for you

[acoustic light]

but what if

[umbral belfry]

believe in the meows and pray you dodge a better stall team or 2rl moran bay

[acoustic light]

do u think it survives ace's cindy

[umbral belfry]

bc it's uninvested

I doubt it. if you ran 2rl moran bay helm yes

and bc your stall team is uninvested 2rl moran bay would've been the better pick

[acoustic light]

the numbers are a lie Hime just believe

[umbral belfry]

lock in

[keen vapor]

Consider rerolling gear with only one effect the more lines and the higher phase (1-15) the more CP it gives

[umbral belfry]

and next ca tell your defending sgs to stop following my stall

[wind kelp]

Just wanted to say thank you @gritty ridge , didn't get through, buuuut, it's better and the losses were 3-2 ones at that. So pretty darn close, just need a few more pieces, some upgrades, and some better luck in match order, and next time around should be good 😄

[acoustic light]

https://tenor.com/view/think-about-it-use-your-brain-use-the-brain-think-brain-gif-9962083141856335288

thats why mana's there

[umbral belfry]

mana would've died too

[scarlet adder]

ok totally lost it, i think i can't touch that biscuit. @tropic summit can i beat this sbs team without using those in cindy team? My box

[umbral belfry]

personally I think the xmaid/lap ver is better than the mana ver tho

[acoustic light]

I mean because she's smart

[umbral belfry]

tests with folian showed me that much

[acoustic light]

makes sense my tests against kuwon didn't go too well

[umbral belfry]

join me in the lap or xmaid way (once you invest into stall)

[acoustic light]

I didn't want to tell u but I do have a c6 lapT lying around

[umbral belfry]

it should've been me

[acoustic light]

trade for helm? 🤝

[umbral belfry]

I like my chonky helm

and I like her even more when rosa doesn't nuke her

[tropic summit]

you kinda want to force an RH B3 here, so to mess with their indom

[scarlet adder]

first i will try this biscuit again i think i might have an idea

i am just punching top 3 whales to fall down anyway so just experimenting and learning

[tropic summit]

what's the 3rd team though?

[tropic summit]

oh oke cp pad

what's the CP like?

[scarlet adder]

not big around 168k

watch how i f up in this recording

i saw how their rapi didnt care for biscuit so i tought instead of using ein i will use my own rapi

[tropic summit]

hmm

[scarlet adder]

i will burst faster and even add crown for damage

[tropic summit]

there's multiple ways to go at this then if you're not gapped

[scarlet adder]

i wanted to try this

similar teams just mine is faster

[tropic summit]

you can backstab with alice

but you need to place your units correctly to avoid being wiped by RRH

[gritty ridge]

You did better than I did lol, glad you at least had some wins

[scarlet adder]

hmmm? don't know what you mean? i read she randomly targets sometimes but it is random. here she will hit anis that is a defender probably

[tropic summit]

or we can take the easy way out and avoid dealing with indom SBS

crosscheck CP for T3 against enemy T3, then run that in union shooting range to ensure naga is linked

if that's set, i think you can safely run those 2 teams

T2 needs quantum lvl 1 at least on rumani btw

[scarlet adder]

helm burstin :D? are you sure?

[tropic summit]

why is your helm bricked?

[scarlet adder]

she is phase 2

[tropic summit]

oh great

[scarlet adder]

that's why i told you to not touch that team with cindy 😄

i will try my idea, with rrh vs rrh i think if it worked for him it should work for me

rrh explosions hit everyone?

[tropic summit]

what's CP like with this?

[tropic summit]

yes she's wide enough to hit up to p5

[eager mountain]

wild enough

[scarlet adder]

cp is fine in both cases, so i should try this?

[wind kelp]

Gotta get that Moran built 😄

[tropic summit]

record that it's gonna be curious on T1

what we expecting is SBS to be stunned and RH to be picked as B3, but RH won't be indommed, which means she'll die to RRH AoE, while centi tanks with biscuit s2 on

[wind kelp]

Bay got to arti 3 as well today, so could have fun with that.

[tropic summit]

at that point you're just resisting SBS autoing with RH b1

[tropic summit]

before running the match, enter union range and exit, then run the match

should enforce RH from switching aggro randomly during B3

[scarlet adder]

what 😄 there are bugs like that and fixes like that lol ?

[tropic summit]

it's for more of an assurance than anything

RH and alice may sometimes switch aggro randomly during B3, that seems to prevent it

[scarlet adder]

cindy linked to jackal in t2 is not a problem?

[tropic summit]

ye that's fine

bay will absorb damage first anyway

pre burst:

damage shared jackal cindy helmt
after burst:

link between bay and team + damage shared as above

[scarlet adder]

it worked thanks

[tropic summit]

eh SBS auto still hurts on double buff

glad it wasn't enough regardless

[scarlet adder]

yeah but close 😄 probably should switch siren and rrh 😄

[torpid kelp]

i rolled some new characters like trina and wanted to see if there was any improvement i could make on these teams or i should wait until sanis rerun

[scarlet adder]

but that 3rd fight weird, shouldnt bay cover take damage? it feels like i got it hit and got lucky 😄

[tropic summit]

oh another whiff

your rocket didn't land as scarlet reloaded

[scarlet adder]

ooo so i took scarlet and survived ?!

[tropic summit]

@placid bloom @crystal flicker @eager mountain what's solution to this? just adding or reducing CS%?

[tropic summit]

you facetanked it

[eager mountain]

does that mean that there are more tactical ammo other then 32

[tropic summit]

this is the second time i see this

so it seems like chinnits are spreading some info or found out something

[eager mountain]

chinnits is indeed the way to spell it...

[oak gale]

dafuq did i miss @tropic summit @umbral belfry 💀

[tropic summit]

they're going for loser frame or your teams are gud

your pick

[eager mountain]

well if scar has tactical ammo then its just rng on cs ig
if lock in is 1 frame then any cs change or even p1/2 to p3/4/5 would do

[umbral belfry]

lock in

[tropic summit]

so utter dumb unluck

gacha within gacha for the most cancerous experience

[oak gale]

after im done with the mlbb tournament ill send teams

[scarlet adder]

but still how the hell i survived 😄 was that scarlet 1/1/1 or something?

[tropic summit]

that definitely seems to be the case, as even if jackal linked, your rumani and bay were unlinked and whole open

if anything rumani was very likely to die there

as she was lower HP due to 3 splashers

[bronze drift]

lol I was thinking the same thing! Our matches are always close, GL to you!

[scarlet adder]

freaking fake scar to scare players 😄

[tropic summit]

@keen vapor oi there's more food for the kitchen

[unkempt flame]

Anyone free to help me out with sp arena defenses?

[glad meteor]

Remove cindy for clip rl?

[gritty ridge]

Rail did all the people i cooked for lose group?

[unique mountain]

Monsieur tracer

[haughty mortar]

What can I use against this?

[restive willow]

A lot of things. Your RLs will have burst gen doubled thanks to that cindy at p1 lol

[haughty mortar]

#pvp-arena message

[umbral crown]

yes

[gritty ridge]

Could try to kill siren with snipers

[eager mountain]

need some testing for that ugh...
it should be rather common back then when ppl run 3rl p1 scar where a 2 ammo scar should be around 3rl 0cs range

[unkempt flame]

my units currently

[restive willow]

Counter siren by putting something not important at p1. Jackal scarlet trina (burst gen) (burst gen)

[haughty mortar]

This is what I am using

[glad meteor]

Uninvested scar and no cindy

[restive willow]

Yeah just shoving high CP unit doesn't work

[haughty mortar]

I was able to beat him before but lost the 2nd time

[tropic summit]

thing is potentially you cannot see that on def so there could be people who got it right for ammo and always bypassing teams

[eager mountain]

u have cs data on ur rl there?

[haughty mortar]

Do I just gamba it?

[glad meteor]

Nah, you can build like a blanc ein team to win against it prob

[restive willow]

It's an easy win if you can make a comp, but you could also just go for it to save the hassle

[haughty mortar]

Naw if you got a comp in mind I can throw it together

[umbral crown]

i see, will be thinking in teams for you

[restive willow]

.

[haughty mortar]

Trina utterly uninvested

[unkempt flame]

thank you

[haughty mortar]

This was recommended. I guess for Defense?

[glad meteor]

Siren stuns blanc

[glad meteor]

This team probably stunned crown and you killed in time

looks like it can work if scalter gets indom

Siren also stuns crown

[haughty mortar]

OK imma try with team 2

[glad meteor]

Wait

Deficit

[haughty mortar]

Yeah..........

[haughty mortar]

Swap Scarlet with Drake in team 1?

[glad meteor]

Which team is that

[glad meteor]

Oh

Might not work

[lunar pawn]

soo, anyone got bay treasure yet?

[haughty mortar]

FK it imma use P1 as is

[eager mountain]

if counting initial 2 frames, scar emptied ammo at 2sec 14 frame, and since both p4 and p1 whiffed, the window is more then 1 frame, so assuming its the entireity of bullet travel time...? and without cs p1 rl startes at 2s10f... yeah

[tropic summit]

cancer

i cba having to think about reload frames

[haughty mortar]

What cubes should I use?

My highest is resilience.

[tropic summit]

the whole thing is too tedious

[eager mountain]

in conclusion, lv1 wingman scar is tactical

[tropic summit]

ye you can alter it as needed

[eager mountain]

time to downgrade ur windman cube

lowest ammo ol line doesnt seems to be as good esp against cs

tho, initial assumption

and personally, i think the tactical ammo is whatever the ammo that u can switch between 32 and the lower one

[tropic summit]

it's around that range

as we've commonly seen whiffs on those frames

[eager mountain]

so u can f their offense by just switching cube

jesus christ

[tropic summit]

i feel like puking

[eager mountain]

scar is so broken

[tropic summit]

this mode gets worse the more i find out

pve main was the way all along?

[eager mountain]

but that low ammo means she sabotage s2 but the return is too great

this means that scar jackel should have p1p2 linked

[glad meteor]

[tropic summit]

screw s2, she denies RLs without even having to run sacc or non p2

[glad meteor]

Join us as we rejoice in 3%

[tropic summit]

ridicolous unit on spaghetti code

[eager mountain]

potato or spaghetti code

or we make spaghetti with potato

[haughty mortar]

LAWLZ

So what is the verdict for Rookie? Just run my best PVE team?

[eager mountain]

if u dont want ur spa to test ur rookie units

but

cuz of book income increase

chances are u do need to try harder in rookie for elem book income

[restive willow]

Rookie is you don't use pve team because if you know what you're doing, attack always wins

[eager mountain]

tho, didnt do the math at all, so thats just a guess

[haughty mortar]

Man this game is getting ghetto

[restive willow]

I don't think it's particularly difficult to win against a pve team unless there's an extreme cp diff (like 30%+)

[eager mountain]

i piseed the italian by having the idea of making potato based pasta

[restive willow]

Doesn't matter. Also not SBS, the OG scarlet

Slow decks get punished with a fast aoe

[haughty mortar]

OG is skill upped but needs gear

[tropic summit]

i've seen worse don't worry

[restive willow]

If you're locked to putting your high CP pve units instead of pvp units, why ask advice anyway

[eager mountain]

i also didnt order wine during dinner, was that a big offense

[tropic summit]

some ppl here don't drink it's cool

on the other hand splitting spaghetti would be a criminal offense

[eager mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/supermega-matt-watson-spaghetti-spaghetti-collect-gif-22826469

[limber patrol]

LMAO YOU GUYS CALLED ME CRAZY. BUT THIS TEAM ACTUALLY WON 2/3

[tropic summit]

trash against worse than trash generally wins don't worry

[restive willow]

It is still meh

[haughty mortar]

So does that mean I am fkd?

[limber patrol]

Rosanna isn't trash

[restive willow]

If you want to win in pvp without doing pvp, yes. You will not win pvp if you don't play pvp

[tropic summit]

the enemy team sure was, cinderella p1 with a biscuit with a noise in p2... jesus le christ

[indigo mist]

Any advice on cracking this defense ?

[tropic summit]

try it against any normal team then you can boast it being good

[restive willow]

I like this

[eager mountain]

oh yeah 32 ammo scar switch with bastion isnt realistic, 23 ammo bastion would become 29, and 24 ammo would become 33

[haughty mortar]

How does one play PVP?

[limber patrol]

bro

[eager mountain]

damn su calculated all those before releasing siren

[tropic summit]

haha, totally

[eager mountain]

and wingman scar to 32 would be too high ammo to whiff rockets i think

ugh so maybe wingman + lv1 ammo ol, no 32 ammo but thats good enough

[limber patrol]

since when you can cheer for yourself?

[tropic summit]

it's that kind of situation where a poorly designed mode just keep getting worse but not bad enough for it to matter

but it slowly keeps making things more broken

[scarlet adder]

0% on RLs they have basic CS only cindy boosted with cube

[eager mountain]

thx for confirmation

[eager mountain]

1st seeason

[limber patrol]

I lose these 2 for sure

I win with 3rd team, can I win with 4th team?

is the 5th team a win too? idk if Noah can burst before this team can...

[nimble root]

Need some help countering this team, can't seem to find anything that works

[umbral crown]

phase 2

since release

10 days for phase 3

[lunar pawn]

how is the performance difference?

[umbral crown]

its better since she can heal and share damage at the same time during burst

[lunar pawn]

mmm feels like out of the 4 she got the worst "buff"

[limber patrol]

need a 2RL Noah (maybe bay with moran could work too but you need to burst with helm and bring another 2 burst gen )

[unkempt kestrel]

this guy hates me. He used 10 attack before game reset on me

unless the time is wrong

[limber patrol]

are you top 2?

[glad meteor]

pvp gets personal

[limber patrol]

I swear we don't hate anyone

[unkempt kestrel]

this is special and its been like this for months. Hes a big whale

[onyx scaffold]

i think u can win team 5 thank to using two buffers

[limber patrol]

what about team 4?

[limber patrol]

in rookie arena.

[onyx scaffold]

team 4 enemy won't even burst

[unkempt kestrel]

yeh i was top 2 but he even attacks me when im like 5-7th place using all 5 attack.

[eager mountain]

i said it as half a joke but yes
after confirmation
by theory
lv1-2 wingman is the best range, not even lv1 ol
we all bricked our acc

@tropic summit

20 is too low, lv7 wingman or lv1 ol is too high

[onyx scaffold]

[eager mountain]

lv1 wingman ammo hits sweetspot against some cs

and lv3-6 can still work against bad cs

[limber patrol]

so 80% people losing the bet for not trusting me? :D

[eager mountain]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1177116972593463316/1396930990169133189/brick.gif

[onyx scaffold]

they want the losing frame

[limber patrol]

I got that one already

[onyx scaffold]

well u might lose team 5 if enemy IFRAME your rl

it happened

[nimble root]

Damn I only have siren and helm for burst gen, my bay isnt built and I dont even think I have moran

[limber patrol]

what about Noah?

[tropic summit]

SR RNG of dropping wingman cube bricked all of our accounts

inb4 just don't unlock that stage? 4D chess move

[nimble root]

Oh yeah my Noah's fully built

[eager mountain]

[bold mirage]

Hey @tropic summit ! I just pulled siren and was wondering if she should be slotted in ?

[tropic summit]

he's winning a fight, but he sure as hell is losing another

[tropic summit]

depends on your current teams, you can show them

[eager mountain]

should i start a feedback in attempt to make lowering cube level an option
dont think it will happen at all cuz most wont care

or should i just quit the game knowing that ive bricked my acc

[tropic summit]

well it wouldn't hurt trying

[bold mirage]

I had gotten helm and that's the main difference between pics

[tropic summit]

my willpower sticking around this game drains everytime i find out more of that BS we just saw earlier

[eager mountain]

but i also dont want this cancerous scar thing to be known, write me better reasons to convince ppl

[tropic summit]

hmm ok there's a lot to improve here

can you show your current teams and CP aswell?

(you can take a screenshot of them)

[bold mirage]

Sure

[tropic summit]

i dunno feels like it's well known already

this has happened to retro who's in a decent synchro bracket and moro who's on a newer one against a smurf

so it's probably common knowledge already

[eager mountain]

dont think the range is a common knowledge
and it actually sabotages elec sr ranking

[tropic summit]

what are the odds of seeing it twice within 1-2 days

[tropic summit]

those ppl don't care for pve and you know it

especially if smurfing

[eager mountain]

but yeah "US VETERANS GETTING A*S BEATED BY SMURFS CUZ WE DONT HAVE 18 CS ON MY RL"

sounds dramatic enough

[tropic summit]

the wingman plays tho

ultra 4D chess

make 2RL team, gets juked by scarlet on garbo ammo

[eager mountain]

i cant take this anymore

[bold mirage]

T1 is 375488

[tropic summit]

there's probably more BS we just don't know about

[eager mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/calcharo-wuthering-waves-ww-wuwa-angry-gif-14129544372063909810

[tropic summit]

remove mana, raven doroS crown RRH siren

[bold mirage]

Thank you kindly !

[eager mountain]

tbh lv1 bastion would be even more tactical against sweaty mf with high cs

but yeah f this sh*t

whiffing one is enough to ruin the day

[umbral crown]

SP Defense
Noah/Noise/Cinderella/Biscuit/Rumani
SBS/Blanc/Red Hood/Noir/Centi
Scarlet/HelmT/Bay/Siren/DrakeT

[tropic summit]

do you've rumani or noise?

[eager mountain]

and certainly CN being new with all the smurfs will make this a common knowledge

[indigo mist]

I do

[tropic summit]

run these, skip the other team (you're on the left)

if you've laplaceT use her instead of naga btw

will punish noise

bsoda can also work instead of naga if no laplacet

while this would be even more powerful:

scarlet won't need to be linked

literal noise killer

[indigo mist]

thx will do, dont got lapt

[small surge]

Glgl there’s only one matchup I’m confident in the rest I’m not sure

[eager mountain]

anything to add

[tropic summit]

oke bsoda instead of naga then if she's invested

[tropic summit]

yep looks good and it's reasonable

but devs don't like QoL or QoS anyway, i've no expectations

[eager mountain]

i think the possibility is higher then having liberalio coming out within this year

that being said, still pretty much impossible

[eager mountain]

what pic should i use for ragebait

|| oh yeah this means asuka also has potential in ca now||

jesus christ...

[tropic summit]

ye but at least her kit isn't scarlet level

[eager mountain]

well thus its ca

blindbox

oh

[tropic summit]

what's this

[eager mountain]

jp offical merch

[tropic summit]

naruhodo

they're selling things that will never come out uh

liberalio maybe before EoS

[eager mountain]

yeah, after beating rap mother, liberalio gonna have her vengeance arc and become final boss of 2nd part

source: dude trust me

[eager mountain]

https://discord.com/channels/946719263866101821/1401320063113367684
the horde needs ur upvote

[wicked horizon]

These should win, yes?

[eager mountain]

u lose 2nd if rosa s2 is maxxed

[wicked horizon]

Why?

[eager mountain]

oh, lv7 should do as well

[wicked horizon]

Why though?

[eager mountain]

unless rosa died to counter, rng

sacc 2rl

[wicked horizon]

Unless someone else dies to counter beforehand, the intent is to one-shot everyone on Scarlet's burst.

And I can only see Mihara or Rosanna dying to counter.
It's possible he intentionally bricked his Mihara, but it's the first time I see her here, so I don't know.

You think it won't pan out?

[eager mountain]

rnggggggggg

[wicked horizon]

Why rng?

What's random?

[tropic summit]

upvoted

[wicked horizon]

What's random?

[tropic summit]

use indom on the first and stall on the second

you don't want to sacc midhara because the enemy team will indom and burst first, you're ded as glass cannon

[wicked horizon]

You think their Mihara will die pre-2RL?

[tropic summit]

she's specifically put in p1 to die against scarlet s2

the opponent is expecting you to run that

poor Torn still so confused

[shell hazel]

I upvoted as well but I doubt they'll do it

[tropic summit]

it's a QoL

a very basic one many games have for gear/equipment

[wicked horizon]

Requires new UI. Too hard. 😔

[tropic summit]

although it's also true studios like Hoyoverse never implemented constellation selection (e.g. to prevent bennet max constellation from bricking)

even tho the community asked for it for years

[shell hazel]

I see why we want it but it's also a bit too niche, qol stuff they'd not really see the value in this

my wingman is level 4

[tropic summit]

[shell hazel]

just saying wouldn't get your hopes up 😄

[eager mountain]

grats not perfect but very useable

[shell hazel]

just need 0 ammo scar now

think 4 is +22% ammo which means 24

[eager mountain]

ye

whiffs low to 0 cs

[shell hazel]

what does 1 do? better against high cs?

normally I just level up the cubes as they come in with batteries lol

[eager mountain]

1 wont work against 0 cs but works against decent cs

in which is better since most fully ol'd rl will have at least 1 cs

tho, thats in theory

[shell hazel]

yeah late game most will have CS especially in higher CA brackets

[eager mountain]

and thus lv1 bastion is even better against the sweatiest ones

tho, thats gonna sabotage ur sr further if somehow stayed at lv1

while lv1 wingman has no downside whatsoever

[shell hazel]

yeah no one really uses wingman elsewhere

dumb mechanics

[eager mountain]

imma try to promote this feedback a bit, would help if yall could also join to... make more ppl suffer in pvp...

[shell hazel]

wingman 5 too far? feels like the bonus to 5 is good

[eager mountain]

ye u have 4 so just get it to 6

[shell hazel]

I did upvote your comment, though I wonder if RL whiff fixes are better than cube fixes?

[eager mountain]

5 elem def has use despite its just water counter

[unkempt flame]

Thank you

[eager mountain]

yes but i swear to god that wont ever happen at all they wont fix pvp ||not even pve||

[shell hazel]

perhaps it would help to post the video if the ammo acount causing the misses, but also it will publicise it more

[eager mountain]

yeah let the CN publicise it im not doing it directly

[shell hazel]

what is the best fix? RL miss still generates some burst gen?

[eager mountain]

well thats bs

rl aiming at cover and hits nik regardless in cover or not is also bs

[shell hazel]

this is basically like i-frame in pve right?

stuff can just miss nikke and cover

[eager mountain]

is i frame in pve exclusive to projectiles?

[shell hazel]

I think so? can just rng hit or miss sometimes as well

some you can control a bit, depends what is firing

probably using the same mechanics

your request for downgrade is full downgrade or reset?

I think reset and refund all batteries would be the superior one

then you can just re-level up as you want

[gritty ridge]

Im not gonna try hard pvp until I can have a chance at making it out of group stage this time

2 daily attacks and thats it

[eager mountain]

didnt specify tbh

i said downgrade, but also mentioned reset

[shell hazel]

reset/refund batteries feels like the easier one

[eager mountain]

the issue is whether to refund credit or not

[shell hazel]

allowing you to select an intermediary level means more UI changes to fit it

[eager mountain]

refund credit and use cube credit to level up is just some unncessary bs to add to the game

[shell hazel]

though I suppose simply allowing you to set the cube level as a whole also works

so maybe the right request is to allow setting the cube level between 1 - unlocked level?

[eager mountain]

yeah that sounds better

[shell hazel]

how much ammo does siren add btw?

she can presumably act like a make-shift cube sort of?

though I think her b1 comes in after 20 ammo runs out?

[eager mountain]

that wont change the whiff window

its too late even tho scar can still be in reload animation without resil

[shell hazel]

more thinking along the lines of someone who manipulates the ammo count into the range you want without any cube

[eager mountain]

was thinkin of that, and well i was thinking of tove first somehow

maybe there will be something more useful

[shell hazel]

yeah, though burst gen speed and utility need to be considered 😦

[eager mountain]

still thinkin of scar whiff, tbh if an opponent has 23/24 ammo scar its great to test it out with diff cs

[shell hazel]

I think 5 or 6 gets you to 25 ammo?

wingman that is

[eager mountain]

cuz the thing i didnt counter is if theres a delay between 0 ammo and enter cover

56 is the same

as 4

[shell hazel]

what is OL1?

[eager mountain]

26

same as bastion7, too much

[shell hazel]

though we don't necessarily know if 27/28/29/30/31/32 also hit some cs whiff breakpoints right?

[eager mountain]

32 might whiff 3rl with high cs

but, ofc not nearly as useful as 2rl whiff

26 might still whiff 0cs but only 0cs

[shell hazel]

I know you also get some units that can reduce it like K

[candid pivot]

I have to ask this...I'm pretty sure I've been doing this right but when you put units on defense the unit you want to get slapped you put in position 5 correct since it flip flops? attackers target left to right correct with exceptions of course.

and I can't beat noah comps ever is there not a hard counter to her outside just bursting faster and killing her faster or stunning her?

[shell hazel]

p1

the order you see is reversed but p1 is still p1 and is the primary target for most units outside of circumstances

[candid pivot]

oh, so they still attack P1 but it would look like P5 for the attacker so on defense you still just put them in the P1 position guess I'm being that wrong

[shell hazel]

yes

[candid pivot]

I assumed since it flip flopped that meant their targeting did as well

[shell hazel]

set teams like p1 is taking the hits

sg's on def do target p5

but basically everyone else will target p1

[candid pivot]

does the flip flop impact burst or does it just remain the same despite it appearing like that?

[eager mountain]

same

the actual impact of flipflop is projectile time reversed so that p3p4p5 have 1 frame advantage

[candid pivot]

only major meta unit I'm missing is noah and it's killing me
oh, her and emilia

[eager mountain]

no need to treat pvp seriously if u dont have noah

[candid pivot]

I freaking hate noah comps because I have to over invest to kill them or just concede the loss
i wish they'd give us a hard counter unit
I know siren can stun her but that's only if she's in proper position

[shell hazel]

soda rng stun 😄

[eager mountain]

u wont stun her if their team has good cs + 2rl anyways

[limber patrol]

well I found out that Helm can burst twice and kill Noah teams
but that will make your team weaker because you take good characters from other teams...

it was something like
noah
moran
helm
red hood
and centi
I think

they burst twice.

[candid pivot]

is that a bug?

[limber patrol]

maybe there's a better alternative lol

wdym?

[candid pivot]

bursting twice like that

[limber patrol]

they survive long enough to burst again

[candid pivot]

I wish they made defenders block nukers better

like someone like bay should be a hard counter to nukers but they seem to only reduce a set amount which is kinda dumb

nukers are too powerful

so when they nuke the entire team they still slice right through bay's defense and kill everyone anyway

[umbral belfry]

it was bc it wasn't helm who bursted twice. the cycle went:

moran > noah > helm
rh > rh > rh

they set that way intentionally

[swift mango]

The heck is flipflop?

[eager mountain]

p5 facing p1

[limber patrol]

I know, I made the team...

[swift mango]

[eager mountain]

also @swift mango

save us who upgraded wingman

and bricked our acc for pvp thx to scar being too broken

the horde needs ur upvote

[umbral belfry]

you made it sound like you didn't know bc you said helm bursted twice 😭 ignore it then

[eager mountain]

oh yeah also @umbral belfry

[umbral belfry]

I'll give it a look

[limber patrol]

I tried saying Helm team and her burst allows the team to burst twice by surviving long enough

[glad meteor]

Look at cover pic, just upvote anyway

[eager mountain]

she did

[umbral belfry]

lewd cover pic

[quick lake]

upvoted

[eager mountain]

i asked rail for a ragebait cover pic
he didnt give me one so i just used this famitsu liberalio

lewdbait

[gritty ridge]

Im finally home

5 clients today so 10 hours of training

[glad meteor]

Bizness

[tulip acorn]

Hello, im lost, can someone tell me where to find the suggested pvp lineup? I remember it being posted somewhere

[umbral belfry]

[keen vapor]

[crystal flicker]

I'm too lazy to calc it

[signal hull]

OG Soda. Yw.

[crystal flicker]

I obv lost T4,
T1 just unlikely to lost against Cindy,
T2 should win in normal condition, but there's dist Dmg Vs biscuit bug
T3 I actually lost once against SG, though it's before I have 1.66RL
T5 It's depend whether your HelmT can burst or not

[candid pivot]

anyone use full shotgun B3s to just overwhelm on attack? I've found this effective to snipe a B1 instantly if they're not setup to protect them lol.

[umbral crown]

that just works mostly in attack

[gritty ridge]

The execution squad

[candid pivot]

yeah, obviously don't want to use that on defense they can easily counter it

[umbral crown]

scar jack or defender p5 + biscuit

[dim escarp]

wait biscuit still bug ?

bruh

can't wait to see tomorrow otherwise

[ocean temple]

Hello pvp people. How are we doing today?

[autumn holly]

at the end of sp arena do you have to collect right before the daily reset? or does it collect for you at the end?

[eager mountain]

@crystal flicker calculated and lv7 wingman is doomed
upvote save our a*s ahhhhhhh

[keen vapor]

The later

[keen vapor]

Did come up with this

[keen vapor]

Is this about Scarlet whiff?

[quick lake]

red chips are auto collected. So
scoring/ranking is automatic need to manually collect those grey tix if u need them

[autumn holly]

oh that's good, okay ty!

[autumn holly]

sounds good tysm

[keen vapor]

Investigating 👍

[umbral crown]

[eager mountain]

ye

[umbral crown]

you in top 64?

[eager mountain]

upvote for the love of god

[keen vapor]

No 👍 my Poli team failed against the pro guy

[umbral crown]

[candid pivot]

I need to lvl trina and scarlet

wish this game would find a way to let me grind more skill book currency

[ocean temple]

I'm sure this is a fairly basic question, but I didn't see it answered in the pins so I thought I would ask.

I'm a campaign andy (you can find me in #team-building often) that is looking to start investing in PVP soon now that I've cleared normal campaign and gotten to chapter 20 of hard mode. Before this I had used my campaign units as PVP units, beating people with investment.

In general, what do you think is the break even point in switching to pvp units from my maxed campaign units where kits triumph investment?

Thank you in advance for any assistance

[quick lake]

Go MA

[coarse lake]

15%+ cs whiffs on 20 ammo scar, just be content with beating giga pvp invest

[quick lake]

Scarlet 10/7/10
Trina 4/10/4
Rumani 4/4/4
Centi 4/4/4
xMaiden 4/10/4
LaplaceT 4/10/4
Noah 4/4/4
Noise 4/4/7
Jackal 4/4/4

4OL +0 for all pvp units

[keen vapor]

The breakpoint is "20 levels below guy" can beat you if he knows what is doing

[quick lake]

so cheap

[ocean temple]

Stuck at Nihilister until I get p3 helm or S doro gets strong enough to send her to the rehabilitation center

[keen vapor]

I won

[coarse lake]

Better run rh b1

[keen vapor]

Ofc

[spare nimbus]

Does defender win?

[umbral belfry]

[coarse lake]

Against what team

[umbral belfry]

t4 and t5 will decide it

and t4 will depend how much ammo bottom scar has

[ocean temple]

So basically as I understand it, keep using my campaign units as a bludgeoning stick and invest in pvp units as I can, pashing them in over time.

Using @quick lake 's skill guide and keeping the OL at +0

[umbral belfry]

eventually you'd want to increase your OL levels, but if you're still low sync I'd keep them at 0 rn

it's likely too expensive for you both fodder wise and credit wise

[eager mountain]

15 or 18

[coarse lake]

15-21

Roughly, positions affect it too

[quick lake]

At ur sync, just craft 2 decent pvp teams, and auto ur last CP gap team Priority OL is ClipRL like Rumani Jackal Centi Trina etc

[keen vapor]

Anis

[quick lake]

Something like:
Scarlet Trina Siren Centi Jackal
Noise Noah Cindy THelm Rumani
Auto

Can work towards this pvp setup

[ocean temple]

I'm sitting at 291 right now, and currently Maid mast, S doro, and SBS are eating everything I own.

But I don't have any prio units after that, so I could work on tower units, pvp, or raid unit.

Or I could toss a 1000 rocks at RRH as is local tradition

[quick lake]

pvp units are quite cheap imo. Just 4OL all of them and u’re done

[umbral belfry]

1000 rocks

[ocean temple]

Yeah I been using Rumani on team 2 or 3 since the game just fed me copies of her. A nice problem to have in this context.

[quick lake]

Generally skill levels in pvp not really needed. Mostly for cp-padding

[torpid kelp]

i appreciate you a lot.

[keen vapor]

Blanc Emilia

[umbral belfry]

oh man, you really shouldn't have done her skills 7/7/7.

[keen vapor]

You did what

[umbral belfry]

you gotta be more careful with throwing out your skill books esp as a new player

rumani is at best 4/4/4

[quick lake]

Just 4/4/4. Pvp skill levels are vvv marginal

[ocean temple]

Believe it or not, at one point she was a raid unit because I was horribly short on b1s for a long time.

[quick lake]

Its alright

Only Noise likes 7/7/10
Moran 7/10/10