pvp-arena

[fathom rock]

[tropic summit]

it worked out

[fathom rock]

Make rh great again

[fathom rock]

Tower mald

[tropic summit]

you should be doing it too

[fathom rock]

But i can push campaign i do that first

Klo intentionally cp nerfed i wont get lowest

[tropic summit]

oh for the love of god

[fathom rock]

And thats why i didnt push

[tropic summit]

[fathom rock]

Cc traumatized

[tropic summit]

dejavu

[eager mountain]

i stopped at indivilia

[fathom rock]

Ost?

[eager mountain]

cuz i want her bgm accessible in game

yes, not the full ver

ye 770

and im now blue

[tropic summit]

@fathom rock nvm, this one was doable

[fathom rock]

I heard 575 is fun

[tropic summit]

that's still far away at least

[fathom rock]

Thanks in advance to moderator team

[ancient kayak]

F this

I slice the throat of all hackers

[dense kindle]

@fathom rock One more

[umbral belfry]

jsasor catching up to me

[dense kindle]

Yea you passed me a month ago
Now im copying your clears

[fathom rock]

Soon™

[umbral belfry]

and now im slacking off

[fathom rock]

Im catching up to 2 peeps 50 sync abive me, wao

[umbral belfry]

pve goon

[tropic summit]

@fathom rock btw what do you mean make RH good again she's still gud

[fathom rock]

[tropic summit]

[fathom rock]

Not using siren rrh

[tropic summit]

screw siren

[fathom rock]

Rrh hit si hard

[tropic summit]

that stun never helped me so far

[fathom rock]

You not using it right

Who gonna listen to the story of victory

[eager mountain]

itll help better if the stunned mob radiates in rainbow light so that u know siren tried her best

[upper grove]

why are you nerfing yourself by not using rapi b3

[glad meteor]

When rh treasure. So I can do s9 ultra

[gritty ridge]

She adds basically a 3rd b3 worth of dmg

And lets you use rrh b3

[tropic summit]

cheese strat all the way

[tropic summit]

depends on situation, but i've had to use her actually more often

[fathom rock]

I am starting to sweat from these stages
Physically

[tropic summit]

my CP says otherwise but i know

[tropic summit]

take a shower please

[eager mountain]

yalls camapign siren has hitrate or not

[fathom rock]

Will do

[tropic summit]

best i can do is charge speed

[fathom rock]

Mine on global does

Mine on alt nah i fish for good hitrate in the fight itself

[umbral crown]

Im 100 levels over you and you have 2 more chaps than me

[glad meteor]

[tropic summit]

[tropic summit]

in a sense this is a flex

[eager mountain]

my sirens sitting with 4 atk 4 elem 1 ammo 1 hitrate tho lacking cp as well... not like ill actually need her in campaign

[tropic summit]

same

[fathom rock]

NOT AGAIN

[fathom rock]

Wao you so chill like that

[tropic summit]

1 dmg gang let's go

[upper grove]

1 dmg mald

[fathom rock]

Hitcount enemy

[upper grove]

is the way

[tropic summit]

shoot faster

throw some stones at them

[fathom rock]

The stones would do more dmg than the guns ngl

[tropic summit]

[eager mountain]

rocket launcher

[fathom rock]

I prescribe you a doso of helmt for burst gen and siren rrh ti stall them by stunning each one while rrh aoe kills them

[tropic summit]

lmao i-framed the bigger laz0r

thanks game

[eager mountain]

thanks su

[tropic summit]

LOL

guess if i made it

[eager mountain]

ye

[tropic summit]

crown sacrificed to the blood gods

[eager mountain]

blood

[tropic summit]

aaaaaaaaaaaaand it's this MF again

rebuilt 🥒

[eager mountain]

🥒 surgery

[fathom rock]

Crown siren helmt rrh noah

Or manchor but i doubt you do those

[tropic summit]

result without noah

at least alice and crown lived to then burn to death

fine, time to unleash the noah

[fathom rock]

Remember to burst laser with her and heal right after with helm
If have sdoro built oh wait you would never

[upper grove]

noah -> helm heal

my noah died even with helm burst because she did 0 dmg kill before 2nd laser

[tropic summit]

i actually have the DoroS

what's the strat with doro?

for once i've a pve unit built

[upper grove]

cucumber is water weak isn't it?

[fathom rock]

Crown siren/rrh sdoro helmt noah

[fathom rock]

With a wide open core too

[eager mountain]

i mean its reasonable since water doesnt have a real dps before doro

[upper grove]

summer doro food

eating them cucumbers

[eager mountain]

[tropic summit]

[fathom rock]

Wudahel bro is a doro simp!
Thats better than mine

[tropic summit]

things happened

[eager mountain]

woah thats higher then any of my chara's elem

[fathom rock]

I see 2 things that happened

[tropic summit]

2 big things

[tropic summit]

k let's see how this goes

although i feel empty without RH

[fathom rock]

No more push me go rest

[keen vapor]

My doro not as good as this

[fathom rock]

How dare you feel empty when doro is right by your side

[tropic summit]

well while she's a fine ass||et|| i do appreciate redheads

[eager mountain]

u ss doro but not ur tove

[dense kindle]

2 more done

[tropic summit]

didn't even treasure her because i literally have 2 SGs built, DoroS and recently drakeT

[eager mountain]

need to reroll elem% but ugh... dont care enough

[fathom rock]

Why your tove have attacker gear

[eager mountain]

cuz its doro

[fathom rock]

But the img

[eager mountain]

cuz she looks cute there

[fathom rock]

Tove looks cute everywhere

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/nikke-tove-gif-1139439894587937274

[eager mountain]

yeah yeah

[tropic summit]

[eager mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/nikke-tove-gif-1139439894587937274

[fathom rock]

Nice with toveT thats literally sg comp but need to add some cdr

[eager mountain]

treasure leona next season with cdr trust

[tropic summit]

i was thinking of draket doros blanc tovet noir

although i guess you kinda want bsoda in there

[fathom rock]

Bricked team need boda yes

[tropic summit]

sigh

[fathom rock]

ToveT leona sdoro drakeT dkw
Courtessy of healerless

[eager mountain]

ye ran this team this sr

with doro doing 3m solo carry

[fathom rock]

4b dmg

[eager mountain]

team 4b or doro 4b

[fathom rock]

Team, im not whel

[hollow lagoon]

I did 2bil kek Sdoro has only 1 atk and 1 ele roll

[eager mountain]

at least drake dmg is alice lv
still looks bad cuz of doro

[tropic summit]

sounds something like a whel would say

[fathom rock]

Explain this :

How eould i buy outside stuff in egypt
Why would i whale on that whenni can get 1b+ dmg just getting 60fps

[tropic summit]

yep, perfectly makes sense for a whel

10/10 what a whel would use as excuse

[fathom rock]

im leaving

[hollow lagoon]

Def whel, I’m a whale and my sdoro team does 2bil

[tropic summit]

have some pats

[eager mountain]

[tropic summit]

also i'm getting slightly violated by the 🥒

[hollow lagoon]

Being a whale is a proud thing

[tropic summit]

oh but doroS dmg is definitely there

i just need to stop noah from killing herself by taunting

[fathom rock]

Noah burst block laser helm heals
Whats goung wrong

[hollow lagoon]

Oh boi co-op rewards

[umbral crown]

That means you have good investment

[glad meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/chopping-vegetables-mr-ping-kung-fu-panda-4-worried-nervous-gif-13739736522811617662

[umbral crown]

I did not.meant to be mean

Just surprised me 307 in hard 27

[fathom rock]

Dw about it
You mean to me in pvp only

[tropic summit]

oh bones are here

[umbral crown]

Finally, now some luck to treasure miranda

[eager mountain]

🥒 🥒 🥒 🧱

[tropic summit]

wait what.

that escalated quite quickly

[umbral crown]

We gotta believe

[hollow lagoon]

Luckiest was prob tove or Alice for me

[covert lintel]

My core dust is enough for 4 level but where's my credit

I should be lv600 today

[primal charm]

bursst with bsoda or drake in sg team chat

[umbral crown]

601

[umbral crown]

I like soda to burst

[crystal flicker]

BSoda burst is pretty weak than other Nuke, but what if you build her Crit

[wraith sentinel]

jimmy hitting big

[crystal flicker]

PvE it's Siren, PvP it's Rumani

Tove is exclusive B1 for SG comp

Can use Siren instead of RH, but the last 2 will work better if you have 18% CS on Anis/Jackal/Centi/XMaiden

[quartz rover]

I tried to get selegg and got cindy. how do I use her to win in pvp

[quick lake]

Emma back in pvp?

[onyx scaffold]

wtf your opponent iframed u

[raven plover]

I won CA once with emma, shes truly back, trust

[onyx scaffold]

rng on rng on rng on rng on rng

only 5 rng layers

[onyx scaffold]

record?

[raven plover]

no record only teams

[onyx scaffold]

emma team plz

[quartz rover]

can I just place cindy in a team and she'll nuke? or do I have to invest a lot

obviously I'm investing for pve

[glad meteor]

Yeah, She’ll nuke, but slower than scar so will need to adjust her and there

[quartz rover]

I'm glad I got her but it was very random. I was pulling for selegg

I'm not even sure if I can use her for pve, I already have the good pilgrims

[ripe carbon]

Any suggestions for PvP attack and defense? I have the resources to build anyone here

[raven plover]

sry Im at work atm and boss was around theres a vid here
#pvp-arena message

[quick lake]

Can check pins for team ideas. But u should have:
10/7/10 Scarlet
Trina 4/10/4
Rumani 4/4/4
Centi 4/4/4
xMaiden 4/10/4
LaplaceT 4/10/4
Noah 4/4/4
Noise 4/4/7
Jackal 4/4/4

[raven plover]

my team for that season
#pvp-arena message
no biscuit, using emma :shiftytroll:

[crystal flicker]

Wdym boss wass around, you're the boss

[raven plover]

if Im the boss I buy you nitro

[crystal flicker]

And this is Saturday

[raven plover]

3rd world country

[crystal flicker]

You're the boss, buy me nitro plz

[ripe carbon]

I lack Trina unfortunately

[onyx scaffold]

why did Bay get nuked? there is biscuit

[quick lake]

no worries. invest in what u have. Wishlist her and get her soon

[raven plover]

you mean moran?

[ripe carbon]

With overloading? Or just skills is enough

[raven plover]

yea if an unit can oneshot before proccing biscuit, stuff like that happens

[quick lake]

All pvp units should be overloaded ideally

[ionic rose]

btw does recycling room bonuses count in CA?

[coarse lake]

<@&946725432554836008>

[rose oracle]

You can iframe in pvp?

[livid marsh]

Show your boss nikke video and maybe all good

[raven plover]

this is why Im a hobo man, boss always caught me playing games

[rose oracle]

don't you always got the level 3 frame in sr?

[swift mango]

[coarse lake]

[umbral crown]

[swift mango]

Nvm your team was 3rl in this video. Not sure what caused it to happen. Is HelmT phase 3 101010? edit: I read the rest of the comment, nvm.

[coarse lake]

triple whiff, scroll down

[swift mango]

okY, I saw that now.... man 20 ammo scarlet is pretty good huh?

[coarse lake]

seems like high cs rls have pretty good odds of whiffing against it

it might even be guaranteed

[swift mango]

I guess if slower CS then they would whiff against more ammo then. So 22.

[coarse lake]

maybe

but the odds of someone running no ammo wingman scar is..... low

[swift mango]

@keen vapor your scarlet ammo no long bricked

[gritty ridge]

If I have no sbs or scar, whats my best 3rd b3?

Ive been running rh indom but its obviously flawed

[keen vapor]

THE HERO IS HERE

[keen vapor]

Cinderella, summer Anis, ein

[gritty ridge]

Im using cindy for 1 and helm for another

Ive tried building with ein but shes so slow that its hard to make teams

[raven plover]

I didnt last raid cus 🏇 🏇 🏇

[livid marsh]

Play horse

[raven plover]

yes I do but casual

[keen vapor]

2B then

[keen vapor]

Surely she's not good for PvP again

[gritty ridge]

[keen vapor]

You got her right

[gritty ridge]

Yeah lol

I guess i could slide her trina

[keen vapor]

She has Aura

[keen vapor]

Biscuit

[gritty ridge]

I bought her swimsuit

[keen vapor]

-# uwoh

[gritty ridge]

Biscuits not bursting tho, is she?

[keen vapor]

Yeah not

[gritty ridge]

Trina at least bumps max hp

Which boosts 2b dmg iirc

[keen vapor]

Does he know

[gritty ridge]

Doesnt she?

[cunning crown]

absolute jobbers will disappoint as usual; matis will save pvp again

[keen vapor]

For moran/x rupee/Scarlet only

[keen vapor]

Ah, burst

Yeah, cool enough 👍

[gritty ridge]

Shes also good battery

Idk if I should actually invest 2b tho if im being honest

Ive got alot of pvp units that need it first

[keen vapor]

Then no

[gritty ridge]

Master chef

Trina doesnt even burst

[keen vapor]

:deadge: cooking

[gritty ridge]

Imagine wanting to win

[keen vapor]

Why you treasured Frima

[gritty ridge]

I didnt

But I could

[keen vapor]

[gritty ridge]

Shes like noise

Without the healing

Or the taunt

Or the dmg reduction

Btw is noise 7 4 10?

Her skill level efficiency drops alot on skill 1 after 7

[covert lintel]

Can't
No credit

[coarse solstice]

I have her with noise (skill level 4) so we'll see if it's a good enough boost. Blanc would be the ideal burst 2 if you could consistently give 2b indom

Noise Blanc Quirey is the highest combo I've found

[coarse lake]

poor dude still on 2B cope

2b gonna nuke for no dmg

[coarse solstice]

I'm ok with that. Gotta give it a try. Feels better than shipping SBS

[crystal flicker]

I did test 2B nuke

Even with RH Blanc, she can only deal like 1.5M ish per Chara

[coarse solstice]

I thought RH buff was too diluted to be worth it.

[crystal flicker]

Avg Nikke at lv400 has like 2.4M ish hp, so only half

[crystal flicker]

Noise even worse

[coarse solstice]

How so? It raises her HP quite a bit

[crystal flicker]

Idk, she only dealt like 1.12M against same comp

They prob mess with her code lol

[coarse solstice]

How invested was the 2B

[crystal flicker]

Only SR5 and some atk lines iirc

9/9/8 skills

[coarse solstice]

I know mine is sitting just shy of 4mil hp unbuffed

[crystal flicker]

I was about to use her this CA, but scrap the idea last minute

[coarse solstice]

Puts me to 1.76 mill each. Still rough

[coarse lake]

Cindy still scales better with atk than hp, so 2b shouldn't be too diff

Prob leaning closer towards hp since bigger conversion

But rh raw % is also much higher than noise

[coarse solstice]

I'll check in range real quick to see if it's worth the swap*

[coarse lake]

Best raw nuker after scar and Cindy are the two reis

[coarse solstice]

No doubt 2B isn't the best but she is my favorite

Checked in scope lock and max noise beats red hood by about 10%

So until my noise is finished RH is better

[crystal flicker]

RH is better

Noise belong to Noah Cindy

The biggest issue about 2B is "Distributed Damage"

It'll be different if it's normal Nuke

[coarse solstice]

For sure. She should have been buffed when released or given a better support unit. It's fun to try to make her work though.

[crystal flicker]

She needs her own treasures like the Pilgrim

Something that buff dist Dmg, but only works for 2B

[coarse solstice]

Probably distributed damage buffer that raises max HP with a clip RL

It could work for other characters I'm not greedy lmao

[crystal flicker]

It ain't gonna happen, coz she'll be ScarBS buffer instead lol

[coarse solstice]

I just don't like running indom teams. They are so janky.

[crystal flicker]

Oh that also, since 2B has skill that wipe every 120 ammos

They could reduce that interval and increase the Dmg, like what they did to Isabel lol

[coarse solstice]

For Blanc is it lowest health or most health missing from total?

With how high 2Bs health is it seems like indom would be hard to proc

[crystal flicker]

Lowest

My Indom always go to Jackal lol

[fathom rock]

@tropic summit guess what happened

[tropic summit]

you're really building the nero moran?

[fathom rock]

Nah i pull 3x dupe

[tropic summit]

oh alrighty

although you do want cores on moran and nero for the damage reduction

the game is trying to tell you something

[fathom rock]

Global have c3 nero 0ln moran
Alt have c3 moran lb1 nero

[tropic summit]

[crystal flicker]

Core gaves damage red?

[fathom rock]

New chapters seem to be next week hopefully

[tropic summit]

extra stats if anything, minimal DR more about def

[fathom rock]

It gives def hp and cp

[crystal flicker]

Def bonus is ignoreable tbh

[fathom rock]

Atk too but how valid is that

[tropic summit]

def on moran matters a bit

multiplier on her is pretty huge

[fathom rock]

He gonna have me rolling 40% ono

[tropic summit]

hell no

don't bother, pvp is a lost cause

[fathom rock]

My alt is still in the game

[tropic summit]

until SU decides to remove endless attempts if anything

[tropic summit]

[fathom rock]

I just need a trina trust

[shell hazel]

[crystal flicker]

Endless attempts are great

I attacked the same guy 6 times yesterday

[tropic summit]

and above we've one of the issues

[fathom rock]

I need 1 more standard pull
Damn time to mald ch26 till completion

[tropic summit]

i wouldn't have the strength to mald again stages i cleared on deficit on another account

retro is made of something else

[crystal flicker]

I have Trina

[shell hazel]

Retro lives in the mald

[crystal flicker]

Yes, I have CS on every batteries

[tropic summit]

@fathom rock the next step i was telling you about is exactly this

you can take the above as reference

[fathom rock]

18 cs on everyone?

[tropic summit]

not 18% but 15%

anything more ofc can be helpful but 15% is a good enough target

[fathom rock]

Me going broke to secure diamond 1

[tropic summit]

jackal, trina, centi, helmt, rapu, laplace, noah, rumani can use CS%

if you build nero moran that team badly needs to be 2.5RL to be annoying against scarlet

the CS% on jackal/trina/centi is a tad overkill but it helps bursting first

as for noise noah same reason as moran nero, just in time to get B1 off against 2RL

[fathom rock]

Notes for my alt

[tropic summit]

arguably those are close to the best def teams you can run just out of how tedious they are

[shell hazel]

as far I remember the only CS you need for moran/nero/helm is on helm unless you're doing a mana version

not sure on quiry one

[tropic summit]

helmt alone needs high CS% tho

[shell hazel]

yes

[tropic summit]

spreading it might be easier to achieve

[shell hazel]

I don't think it speeds you up on anyone else

let me spec up in the work site quick

[crystal flicker]

iirc you only need CS on HelmT and Rapunzel

for stall

[tropic summit]

@fathom rock you can spare lappy of CS% hurray, just need the rest of the family

[fathom rock]

I dont even have lapT yet on alt

Helm has a grand total of 1.98% cs

[shell hazel]

i'm just checking but I don't think rapu speeds it up but it depends who you run

so with 15% CS on Rapu and LapT the burst speed is no quicker here

[crystal flicker]

Yeah it seems so, but Rapu makes the last slot more flexible for either Quiry, Mana, or future Nikkes to fill the slot

[strong hull]

[shell hazel]

Rapu CS can matter if you add Mana yes, not sure about Quiry

[crystal flicker]

Wdym choose

[strong hull]

Very me

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-chad-gif-20773266

[crystal flicker]

La+ has more gen than Quiry

[shell hazel]

it's why I will prioritise my CS where it speeds up my preferred teams I think for now

[crystal flicker]

Depend on what you gonna run

In fact, ever since Bay got Treasure, ppl run her together with Moran

No

[shell hazel]

[tropic summit]

@fathom rock realistically you can aim for this T2 and T3, T1 you can take ur time building it

you can scratch off jackal, trina, centi and soda for now

[fathom rock]

On alt right?
I need trina first

[tropic summit]

wishlist harder

[fathom rock]

And i need lapT too

[crystal flicker]

Whos pulling CS for Noise

[fathom rock]

All these 15cs?

[tropic summit]

he can do either biscuit or noise

[fathom rock]

Id rather do biscuit

Even keeps my noise tanking siren

[tropic summit]

sounds good, you know what to work on

see you in 9 months

[crystal flicker]

Just need those Roccc

[fathom rock]

Lv8 tempering did i see that right

Both are in pve, rh b1 is nice in pvp

[shell hazel]

i'm running this on def atm

[covert lintel]

Someone in my bracket has become very aggressive
Atking me with 300gems

[fathom rock]

@tropic summit

[shell hazel]

1 more copy

I'm a fan of my cindy comp above in CA as well but I'm trying out a jackal variant for CA9

[covert lintel]

There is silver mileage

[swift mango]

it's fine, I don't even use laplace this CA.

[shell hazel]

lapT won't make or break your teams you can work around not having her

you can run mana or quiry based stall instead

[covert lintel]

What team are you using?
Why never share it

[fathom rock]

Fun fact : laplace isnt in the rotation

[shell hazel]

or xmaiden if you have her

[fathom rock]

I dont have these either

Nvm i pulled quiry just now

[shell hazel]

Keripo is running quiry again this CA I think, not sure what comp he went with

you got more nero and moran copies than I do 😄

[fathom rock]

[swift mango]

It's just some random things I didn't even build with Nikke deck or anything.

[covert lintel]

But still win ca

[shell hazel]

maybe something like this need to see what his teams are like

CS on Quiry or Rapu gets this to 2.5RL

[swift mango]

If I win with it I would share.

I already shared my team when I won before.

[shell hazel]

unsure if some CS on both works 😄

@spiral onyx now the CA has locked in, what teams did you run good sir?

[covert lintel]

really?
U share it when i'm not online then

[swift mango]

No reason to share team that couldn't even win.

[shell hazel]

I've seen blood teams posted before

[fathom rock]

How tf am i supposed ti get cs here

[shell hazel]

who is this for?

[fathom rock]

Helm

[swift mango]

My 3rd win.

[shell hazel]

fml

[fathom rock]

Bricker's helm

[covert lintel]

Just lock all ED

Everything can be rerolled except ED

[shell hazel]

road to 🧱

[fathom rock]

2 rock and 3 rock rolls

[shell hazel]

I'd be tempted to full roll this to aim for a better line 3

ED only line 1 and not black line

you'll sac some cp doing it though

[fathom rock]

Grats fellas not i have to get 15cs via 3 ol pieces

[shell hazel]

jesus

[covert lintel]

Oh i need to build reiT first

[shell hazel]

you don't want too much ammo she has last bullet mechanic

[fathom rock]

Well this just allows me to full roll boot

[shell hazel]

so even more now what I said I think, roll that other piece fully to get good line 3

yeah both your other pieces need full roll I think in the end

[fathom rock]

ill alt f4 for now

[shell hazel]

I'm in a similar place with lots of things

[fathom rock]

I still have to roll for blue cs

And well ele again

[covert lintel]

But in pvp that's meaningless
You need a lot of ammo when you use her for burst.
It's purpose is not to be interrupted by reloading

[shell hazel]

shouldn't need blue CS if you're going for 3 pieces

[fathom rock]

I might do double lock for cs actually but if i roll atk respecfull screw pvp

[shell hazel]

you'll just have to live with 15% CS

[fathom rock]

4.92x3?
Thats 3 1%

[swift mango]

Doesn't really matter much to be honest.

[swift mango]

5%

[shell hazel]

you can't really max your CS here, 4.92% 3 times is 15%

you'll get 15% even if you have one slightly lower roll

[fathom rock]

So i have to roll blue...

[shell hazel]

no because 15% - 17% is the same

your goal is just 15% here imo, only time blue line will help is if you aim for 18%

one roll at 5.51% or more is enough to do that

but also means you have to run adjutant instead of temp cube or something better

[fathom rock]

I just want 15 unless i lucksack, i still have a 1.98% roll and gonna ditch that hitrate for ele eventually, atk helps pvp anyway surely

[shell hazel]

point being you don't really need a blue line here just 3 good rolls near to 5%

blue line only above 5.51% matters as well

[covert lintel]

It's matter
Post-burst helmT does 600%charge dmg per shot, if she reloading much the team will lose

[shell hazel]

you can get away with 1-2 ammo rolls on HelmT tbh

[crystal flicker]

I did this, until I lose against that one ScarBS Blanc

[covert lintel]

Yeah around 120% ammo should be fine

[shell hazel]

I don't actually have quiry built

I think her main use here is a healer without conditions, helmT used to get stuck on unable to heal on immune

then HelmT bursts on 2nd cycle if you get there

it's an expensive thing to build as an alt option for lapT/xmaiden/mana I think?

[crystal flicker]

That's what I was running, but HelmT P3 is safer against SG comp

[shell hazel]

yeah was kind of my assessment, not necessarily worth it, I'd maybe rather build Soda for rng stun

still I like having options and having more built units means I can change what I run a bit

[crystal flicker]

I thought ya'll #pvp-arena residents already built every PvP Nikkes like me

That reminds me I may gonna build ReiT

[fathom rock]

Soda need build for ca?

Not just 444 and ball

[shell hazel]

depends

[crystal flicker]

Soda is better than Sirenn

[fathom rock]

Ca dont care about her cp does it not so just raising soda for stun is very cheap

[shell hazel]

if you build soda a bit she can link with jackal and therefore not die at p1/p2 in a scar team

[crystal flicker]

She can die against Scar counter tho

[shell hazel]

otherwise p3 and ball lol

[crystal flicker]

which is why she wants more hp

[shell hazel]

I think she only needs basic build like 4/4/4 and some OL and such

[fathom rock]

Maybe sr doll to tank some and ig some attack welcome
Very cheap

[shell hazel]

yes comparatively

but my soda is R-0 with 0 OL so not built at all

I've been building my pvp units a while but I still have more work to do

kind of looking forward to building my PVE more at some point tbh lol

[crystal flicker]

You should've done already tho

[shell hazel]

nah I'm not

[crystal flicker]

I finally have time to build some PvE stuff, though I can aim for higher CS% and Scarlet ATK

That reminds me, I need to update my sheets

[swift mango]

She only reload once anyway even at 6 ammo. And with the reload she buff dmg for the team so not that bad.

[shell hazel]

this is what 9 months or so of playing looks like

I won't have CS properly on all batteries etc yet either

[fathom rock]

Crazy doll luck

[shell hazel]

I'm pretty happy where the dolls are tbh, I got lucky/unlucky some

I do re-roll my dispatches for more doll materials

[fathom rock]

Not rerolling dispatch is a brick imo

[shell hazel]

SR-5 to SR-15 can be costly though

that is where luck plays a large role in things

my priority was mostly to SR-5 first, except for main dps

[fathom rock]

Sr15 noise
I think the most painful thing is actually gear xp

[shell hazel]

can see I'm still working on that

I think by the time I hit 1 year anni of when I started (2 year anni of the game) then I'll be basically where I wanted to be with my pvp teams

so 3 months away

my main SPA teams I want SR-15 on all of them, at least it means if I get a whale enter my bracket or people want to keep up with me they'll need to invest the same

[fathom rock]

You spend too tho

[shell hazel]

not to whale levels tbh

I don't buy levels/power I'm only ahead as I campaign mald + invest a lot in pvp

and I don't have bigger spenders in my bracket to whale ahead of me

there are people in range to challenge my position if they wanted to do so

[fathom rock]

Should be fine

Kinda scary 1 reshuffle is all it takes

[shell hazel]

zant is like 100 sync levels ahead of me, were he in my bracket I'd be 2nd lol

we started at the same time

so gives an idea how much whaling has propelled them ahead of me 😄

[fathom rock]

Lmao you also started same time as my alt

Yet you are ahead in sync

[shell hazel]

from purchases I maybe had a few levels worth of cd?

I don't think it's more than 5 or so

absolute max of 10

[fathom rock]

Maybe its just the dust im hoarxing for new chapters

[swift mango]

Well, your accounts are always a bit synch level bricked anyway.

[shell hazel]

I am saving atm, I hope to jump to 361

[fathom rock]

My global sync bricked cuz i bricked

My alt did not brick sync yet
Unless yall consider not buying wipeout a brick

[shell hazel]

I do wipe out

but limited number of times

[fathom rock]

And here is my answer

[shell hazel]

maybe that is so yes though for that I use the $5/month gems daily thing

hardly needing massive cost

[fathom rock]

F2p brick

[shell hazel]

I wipe out atm 3 times (free + 50 + 70)

I was doing the additional +100 for a while but slowed down on that for now

[fathom rock]

I could never afford that lol

[shell hazel]

but to counter that is my 100 gems I get extra per day from the $5 thing

and I get 3K/2 weeks from the pvp

it basically funds itself

[fathom rock]

I can do 50 only with my budget

[shell hazel]

that moves me forward slightly quicker but it's not enough to massively outscale

extra 332 cd/day vs someone who only does the free one atm

need 10000 per level so that is an extra level in 30 days, once a month basically

wipe out gets silly expensive beyond these levels anyway, even as a whale it loses efficiency

I also forgot but yes the other daily thing I can use for cd packs, helps as well

the $15 resource kit

[fathom rock]

That explains the massive gap way more

[shell hazel]

yes, so it's there but neither are out of cost/reach for most light spenders

in fact I think light spenders would get both all the time

your situation/affordability aside

for me $20 is like a take away cost once lol

I could spend a lot more here I just don't think it's worth doing so, and it moves away from being a side thing to becoming a financial burden instead

[fathom rock]

20 dollar is like my expenses for a week or 2

[shell hazel]

I save a lot more than I spend

I earn $9 interest per day (not made up figures this is calculated/accurate)

my pension is rubbish but otherwise doing fine lol

I need to accelerate the pension stuff once I'm better situated to do so

it's just relative scenarios and the fact that i'm in the UK we have a stronger economy/better average wage I guess?

there are always people out there even dwarfing what I'm up to but I try to just worry about my own situation 🙂

I don't really have super expensive hobbies or costs outside of my PC and gaming things anyway

[fathom rock]

Sounds nice

[shell hazel]

worked hard/saved a lot to get here though 🙂

[fathom rock]

Deserved then

[whole pawn]

all pvp support should be sr 5 right? asking cuz i lack some sr dolls

[fathom rock]

Sr doll for ones that matter atleast for damage reduction and a bit of stat boost

[whole pawn]

i lost a 20% on blue doll....

[whole pawn]

trina, centi, noise, rumani, do i sr5 them?

[fathom rock]

if you use noise in def sure

[whole pawn]

i will sr 5 trina and centi for now

saving the othr 2, who knows if i get the brat

noah i mean

[swift mango]

I lost 70% before.

[covert lintel]

My spA def get bullied

[raven plover]

losing or winning

[covert lintel]

Lost in the 4th time

[tropic summit]

that could be punishable if your opponents actually wanted to, since you're letting rosanna be taunted and you're running biscuitless noah

but opponents

have you tried using nero moran in rookie and seeing if anyone beats it?

[tropic summit]

oh no.

[valid inlet]

Good luck too ! ( I have another ppl with champion frame in my group

[shell hazel]

no I haven't yet but I wanted to get my last helm CS roll before I did just to ensure speed

[tropic summit]

sounds reasonable, would be a good strength check for your bracket

or at least if they know how to run scarlet trina rh / scarlet blanc rh

[tropic summit]

panties lady

and they still didn't fix this tho

[pale knoll]

Lore accurate

[swift mango]

Double banner after summer. How fun.

And I will have to skip everything ofc because broke.

[fathom rock]

The vodka company?

[tropic summit]

you're not missing anything in the reruns anyway

[swift mango]

I feel like Nikke is trying to squeeze all its worth before EoS with all the banners after banners after banners recently.

What do you mean not missing anything.

[tropic summit]

tbh they're trying their best to piss off anyone with common sense with their complete lack of QoL and QoS, anyone still dropping money in this game is part of the problem but i won't judge

As for missing, what ARE you missing from those coming banners anyway?

[swift mango]

I'm gonna miss out on everything for the next year what else?

[tropic summit]

well it's not guaranteed, just skip non meta banners (for either pve or pvp up to you)

[glad meteor]

[swift mango]

Nah I will have to skip everything even if it's clip RL.

[glad meteor]

It’s time

[swift mango]

Or meta defining Pilgrim

If I wanted to keep up with the collaboration pulling that is.

I might consider making alt on the eventually 2nd CSM Collab just to MLB Reze and Makima.

[signal hull]

Absolutly unforgivable 😠

[tropic summit]

time to what

[tropic summit]

wait Reze?!

[glad meteor]

eos

[tropic summit]

nah skins are still selling and ppl biting on the concurrent banners

as long as money flows in, how can it EoS

plus it's not like they're investing great amounts of effort into adding expensive features or gameplay modes

[dim escarp]

it's ez, collab with persona

[tropic summit]

shot itself in the foot there

but i'm glad it's failing hard, sends a good sign to not ruin a game with sh**y gacha

[glad meteor]

i guess we suffer more

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/hp-harry-potter-snape-always-stare-gif-17584635

[glad meteor]

Triple banner then possible collab

[signal hull]

Then RRH rerun.

[tropic summit]

staff 1: "how can we trick ppl to keep spending money? we just keep sh*tting out banners nonstop?"
staff 2: "it just works, watch"
customer: "ah yes, tasty buttcheeks"

[upper grove]

as long as JP is still playing there's no reason to eos ever

EN is irrelevant compared to them

[tawny vine]

i thought this game was about butts?

[swift mango]

Who know maybe they make a new game and keep neglecting this game enough for eos in 2 years

[glad meteor]

Maybe it was about the butts we met along the way

[upper grove]

idk there are so many gachas out there making much less than Nikke. if they survive why should nikke die earlier than them

ofc they can just nuke nikke like destiny child when their next gacha releases but I doubt it. destiny child also made like no money

[swift mango]

After awhile of neglecting revenue would drop. New game make more money. Close this game.

It's just how Korean peeps work.

[tawny vine]

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/wise-gif-5472200

[upper grove]

ofc revenue would drop after a new game. it's just a matter of how much it will drop, and I don't see nikke dropping so low immediately to close it asap. but that's just me

[tropic summit]

gotta keep milking the cow, since it just works don't fix it

the real change has to start from the community

i've given 0 money to this game and regularly pointed out things in feedback, i've done my part

[upper grove]

just say JP

[tropic summit]

the most obvious signal a studio notices is drop on sales/income, if unrealistically they start having the biggest whales starting to not spend money, you'll see them panic soon enough

but until then...

[signal hull]

Oi, wassup with doom and gloom? Nikke is fine. Didn't SU recently said that they're gonna be supporting it for (hopefully) 20 more years? Even ya'll pre-school naggas will hit a pension age before it's EOS.

[livid elbow]

Can you tell me the web address of this calculator?

[tropic summit]

https://nikke.work/

[tropic summit]

it's actually the opposite, i'm regularly hoping nikke gets the slap it needs to get back on track and stop sitting on comfort zone

rather than doom and gloom is frustration at seeing something you liked going further and further worse

especially with the potential it holds

[signal hull]

Eh? I don't notice any problem with it. Playing it for a year, still enjoying it. Stories are very good, characters likeable, gameplay is fun enough.

[tropic summit]

congrats, brainwashed and the kind of customer SU wants

it's not a problem per se mind you, it's good you're happy

what is not good is that you're content

[signal hull]

Ok, what do you see as a problem with Nikke right now?

[tropic summit]

1. pve rankings are gated to anyone who did not start day 1 (SR)
2. pvp is p2p locked, with strong offense options and impossible defense options, endless attempts for spenders
3. union raids are meaningless for the 1st reason
4. concurrent banners are unhealthy for both p2p and f2p
5. rates are crap, spark is crap
6. no new gamemodes that bring something fresh
7. regular bugs
8. recolour bosses over new and original bosses, new bosses generally have bugs that cause SR to be postponed or cancelled
9. most events are obvious budget oriented or rip offs (suika game)
10. FPS issues that have never been properly addressed, one may play Cyberpunk fine on high details, but not Nikke
11. new bugs were introduced with treasure units that haven't been fixed or addressed yet
12. CA turned out to be a very budget option with auto battles and no player interaction
    ...
    the list goes on, should be enough to give you an idea

[glad meteor]

[tropic summit]

[signal hull]

Well, can't really argue with most of these (except for gacha rates - Nikke is very generous), I guess I just look at it in a different light. It's a gacha game and I'm used to how they work on average. I used to play genshin and zzz and still playing wuwa (even tho probably dropping this shit soon) and THIS is where real greed is at. Despicable greed. Compared to them, Nikke is mega generous.
Bugs I can live with. If nothing else, we get some compensations for it so all's good.
I'm here mostly for the story, characters and fanservice and so far, IMO, they deliver without any big dips in quality. They might stumble somewhere, but they'll make up for it in another event.

[swift mango]

To be frank the revenue has been dropping every year. Other big games have their revenue increase over time but this game isn't.

Maybe they are getting envious of game like love and deep space getting 50m+ every month whether it's big event not.

And try to find a way so that f2p player need to skip 10 banners to pull one like that game.

[graceful grotto]

imo, pve ranking or pvp ranking doesn’t really matter, as long as pvp exist in a system, fair can never be a thing, since there are whales and non-whales

4. i agree, it felt they’re just throwing more reruns nowadays (fomo inducing?)
5. gacha games in a nutshell i supposed
6. i agree somehow, but if more game mode = more daily grinds, it can be tedious
7. i somewhat can’t fault them sometimes, cause with so many units, it’s hard to design one unit / boss without any single error, but yeah at least they compensate on this
8. yes on recolor/reskin, but at least bugs are compensated
9. u mean mini games? i generally care not about mini games but i understand the idea

[tropic summit]

"I'm here mostly for the story, characters and fanservice and so far, IMO, they deliver without any big dips in quality. They might stumble somewhere, but they'll make up for it in another event."

on this i can agree, that's exactly their main selling point and the only thing they've been doing very right all along

this, on the other hand, it's a dangerous statement and let me tell you why:

"I used to play genshin and zzz and still playing wuwa (even tho probably dropping this shit soon) and THIS is where real greed is at. Despicable greed. Compared to them, Nikke is mega generous."

Extreme poison and bad poison are both poison, gamers should NEVER accept that kind of practice, the fact gacha got this far is because the community let it happen, people were OK with it, and as you said "since there's worse, we're ok with this", is exactly what SU wants from their customers. Acceptance and being content, this leads to being able to keep milking their base dry

[tawny vine]

what do you guys recommend for this?

[tropic summit]

this is a good thing if anything, competition will force them to change approach and help them realise they've to wake up from the comfort zone

[tropic summit]

#questions

[graceful grotto]

should ask in #team-building , but crown / siren or rapipi / cindy / sanis or rh or rapipi / helmT

[tawny vine]

cool

[glad meteor]

Crystal chamber

[graceful grotto]

oh cc mbmb

[glad meteor]

I think I did

Crown cindy rh sanis rrh

[tropic summit]

ye the above is the most comon to deal with it

[swift mango]

You maybe think Nikke is making good money. But it doesn't have enough new player retention. You could see that in the number of CA bracket doesn't increase since it started.

Players starting this year would be overwhelmed with limited rain and the average of 1 banner a week. This doesn't help new player to keep playing with this game having ranking in every single thing. Unlike PvE game like LADS and HKS.

The losing of new players maybe look neglectable currently but in the long run it would result in huge loss in profit, smaller size of fandom and EoS.

[tropic summit]

this is very true aswell, an issue they've to face already

[graceful grotto]

PVP games will always be an issue in terms of ranking, day1 players will have the best benefits, i think in general all korea’s gacha has pvp

[tropic summit]

comes with the fact of releasing banner after banner to keep the sales going

[covert lintel]

isn't new gamemodes being made?

[tropic summit]

it's also an easy mode to milk p2p afterall incentivating spending to get an edge on others

[graceful grotto]

i thought nikke sales is doing pretty well for a 2 years game?

it’s still top 10-15 consistently if i’m not wrong

[tropic summit]

when...

https://tenor.com/view/winterz-soon-gif-19096204

[covert lintel]

that surface reclamation or something

idk when

[tropic summit]

yes, eagerly waiting for my chibi expanded map exploration

[signal hull]

Nobody really knows, unless the company itself makes an official statement.
But they've really been bombarding us with new units and new oufits + reruns now. So I've also been wondering if they're struggling.

[fathom rock]

I know a korean gacha without pvp
Its on the verge of eos

[graceful grotto]

the only thing i see about nikke is, there’s a false ideology where peeps believe the dev are ‘dev listen’ type but the fact it’s definitely not lol

[tropic summit]

so true

[graceful grotto]

they gave a lot of resources, generous yes they might be, but dev listen they’re not

the mold thing has been asked since day 1

[fathom rock]

Man rip last origin
Was fun till the studio swap happened

[covert lintel]

tbh i want more interaction with nikkes such as azur lane or snowbreak

[tropic summit]

that would affect sales, increased resources gain? far less

[fathom rock]

Best gacha game i played man

[graceful grotto]

and will never be addressed if the whole china debacle did not happen

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/culture-man-of-culture-cultured-gif-10903367

[signal hull]

It would do wonders for this game, but unfortunately it's 2D. It'd be hard to make more interaction with same overused couple animations.

[swift mango]

Lemme count you the number of limited and Pilgrim this year.

RHH + SBS = 2.
Half Anni = 2
EVA Collab = 5.
Nier + Stella = 4.
Current Summer = 4.
Then around 10 limited units to rerun XAnne and Summer Anis.
2-3 more for Anni
4-5 more for Xmas.
October Collab could be 2 to 5 defending on what they Collab with.

Counting all this for new player to get it's over 30-40 limited/pilgrim banners this year. That new players are showered with. About 10-20 of which are meta relevant.

[fathom rock]

Azur lane just needs good gameplay for me, after clear all content there is nothing and they haven't added actual content for lik2 years

[covert lintel]

they have a 3D model you know, so it's should be possible to create

[tropic summit]

for f2p indeed impossible, for p2p depending on how willing they're it's doable, but at great costs, which is insane

[signal hull]

Small chibis? Ehh... Kinda not the same thing...

[graceful grotto]

meh

don’t have to make excuse, with money they can do anything, and it’s a fact they’re earning

[covert lintel]

no, that mmd model

[tropic summit]

agreed, game unfortunately stayed very stale

[swift mango]

Even P2P it's how much they are willing to pay. Most P2P aren't spending for pull they only spend for skin and monthly package.

[graceful grotto]

that’s like saying genshin bad graphic is understandable cause they are using older engine

[fathom rock]

I want last origin to be great again

[tropic summit]

gotta get those ass||et||s

[tropic summit]

[graceful grotto]

welp at least we have ‘guarantee system’ nowadays

[fathom rock]

I might go back if they still didnt eos yet

[graceful grotto]

back then guarantee was never a thing

[tropic summit]

fate/GO

[graceful grotto]

i rmb getting a 5* in summoners war, i’ll be lucky to get one 5* every 2 months

[tropic summit]

true scam games

[covert lintel]

here an example

[graceful grotto]

now the biggest scam is 50/50, that should be removed on new games

[tawny vine]

yep this team worked cheers

[swift mango]

It's not about spending, it's about how poorly new players are getting treated.

[tropic summit]

i prefer this

[glad meteor]

Cooking

[signal hull]

I'd say Nikke is very well thought through. They've picked their audience, they've picked their platforms, they went for certain group, with certain calculated appeal. Detailed 3d models like in WuWa or Genshin or w/e will increase file size tremendously, many phones won't be able to run it, they'll lose a big chunk of playerbase.

[fathom rock]

Last origin didnt eos yet

[graceful grotto]

i mean g**ning was always an easy way to get revenue

[tropic summit]

well that's damn true, they don't give a fk

[graceful grotto]

we have so many low budget gacha that used this to get fat paycheck

[swift mango]

[tropic summit]

low cost to design/maintaint
high revenue from appealing to specific audience
win/win

[fathom rock]

Who wanna move to lo with me

[covert lintel]

yeah they need to focus on storage optimization first

[tropic summit]

[fathom rock]

Both kr and jp servers still alive

[tropic summit]

getting that nostalgia going?

[graceful grotto]

i only waiting for ak:endfield

[swift mango]

This game isn't LADS. It has many competitors. There is no winning from that if they lose their fandom to another game.

It's only short term profit.

[fathom rock]

Perhaps
The team building and strategies in the tower above stage 300 is very very fun

And guides of the game are rare to non-existent
Had to figure it out yourself

[swift mango]

I'm doing above stage 300 just blue.

[fathom rock]

Sir i am talking about lo not nikke

[tropic summit]

either way i just hope people will raise more and more complaints to SU, it's clear they've gotten quite ballsy

and are slacking a lot in their comfort zone

then again maybe they can afford to not give a fk and already have better plans down the road

[covert lintel]

yeah, the illustrator is totalism but the devs are slacking

[fathom rock]

Move to cn they care there or wait for gog with me

[covert lintel]

[graceful grotto]

what’s gog

maybe best way is to stop gacha in general, since gacha in general is not good game genre (most of the time: predatory)

[fathom rock]

Nikke but arab

[swift mango]

Just don't get baited by competition or fiND a gacha without any PvP or ranking that matters to your progress.

[tropic summit]

[fathom rock]

Last origin
No pvp
Nice assets
Very f2p friendly

Also very very auto friendly

[tropic summit]

this is quite correct, although unfortunately talent and good ideas are also behind gacha, especially illustration and character design

the moment you want to enjoy with those, you're forced to deal with that business model

[swift mango]

I play Azur lane and Arknight. The 2 most F2P friendly gacha currently existed.

[tropic summit]

would need to just pass on that content altogether unfortunately

[swift mango]

[tropic summit]

still gachas, but ye the point checks out

[fathom rock]

In last origin you basically pull using like oil in azur lane instead of cubes and you can farm it infinitely

You can straight up farm unlimited pulls

[quick lake]

nikke started gacha skins. then bd2 and now gfl2 adopted them

[tropic summit]

games were meant to be played and unlock things by playing or actually investing yourself in it... not by just forcing daily activity and/or microtransactions... but it went very wrong with gachas

[swift mango]

Define infinity, you can farm but stamina limited then it's not infinity.

[graceful grotto]

i mean a lot of gacha has no pvp, but has like rail says, remain gacha practice in some form

wuwa is a game i praise a lot, but ultimately we still complain like crazy when the game falls into predatory practice

[swift mango]

Gacha without PvP or ranking, and be casual.

[graceful grotto]

if only everyone has this mindset frfr

[fathom rock]

Lete explain how it was back then, might re install and see if still same system

You use 3 resources to fight, each unit deplete a number of these per battle it is also the same as your pulling currency

You can use certain ratios to make it more likely to pull what you want, all non collab units are added to standard on release and you can farm collab completely for free without pulling, also half the roster is obtainable by farming archive

With some teams you can actually spend less stammina than what you gain back scrapping stage drops effectively giving you infinite stammina

[tropic summit]

pvp can be fun if it's optional and most importantly doesn't give blatant advantages to a specific type of customer 🐳

[graceful grotto]

xxx needs xxx unit to work, it’s predatory!

meanwhile they forget they can clear EVERY content with xxx unit without xxx unit

[fathom rock]

Azur lane
You can even leave pvp match to test and it wont count

[tropic summit]

they did one thing right there

[swift mango]

TL;DR: It's not infinity.

Like you can farm pull in Arknight as well but it's limited by (insert the game's stamina system here)

[upper grove]

just be casual in gacha and then you are fine. problem is that some ppl don't want to be "just casual"

[hexed zephyr]

Should i switch from team 2 to 3 for sp arena?

Doing around d1-d4 with the first 2 teams atm. Rh is fully invested so that helps. Rumani is not invested at all but was messing around with the site and saw it drops from 3rl to 2rl. Don’t know if that was worth the power drop. Maybe after some investment? (Would position matter with Rumani at all or not? haven’t really used her yet)

[fathom rock]

Sir the 3 resources are your stammina that you use

Scrapping units give you stamina

Running low cost team and scrapping stage rewards gives you more stamina back then you spend

[swift mango]

If it is limited by any kind of stamina then it's not infinity.

[fathom rock]

Rumani taunts in her burst, 2rl team is better here i think but i fear sanis dying as unprotected p1

[tropic summit]

especially against scarlet, yes

if those are attack teams they can work based on what you facing, but on def i wouldn't run either of those 2

[fathom rock]

Pull currency = stammina
Resources to use in fight = stammina
Resources you get from scrapping units = stammina

[swift mango]

Yes, that means it's not infinity.

[fathom rock]

How, there is no cap on farming

[tropic summit]

i think what retro means is that there's a way to re-obtain the resource you spend without gating

which is instead typical with all gachas

[fathom rock]

I have a better explanation one sec

Imagine you get back oil from scrapping ships in azur lane amd morale doesnt affect farming
What do you get

And imagine pulling with oil instead of cubes

[swift mango]

If the earning is neglectable at best. Then, it's just limited by your play time.

[hexed zephyr]

Wym protecting btw? Just switching spots or like a revive with repunzel or what?

[tropic summit]

unprotected p1 is units without revives, invulnerabilities or links

[fathom rock]

Putting her somewhere where she take less dmg, having a revive and heal or jackal link or blocked with biscuit + defender

[hexed zephyr]

Attack teams ya. Haven’t thought too much about def teams. I just copy my atk teams to it. What would I do differently for def?

[tropic summit]

there's only an handful that can afford running p1 unprotected, specifically moran and noise (although noise can die to SG execution squad)

[tropic summit]

def works different from atk

as a general rule you want 3RL or 2.5RL team with good CP balance and possibly least feeding possible

[fathom rock]

You can tailor attack comp based off enemy formation

You cannot tailor your def against attacking enemy unless you somehow know what they exactly gonna do

[covert lintel]

I heard ToF will make a great change to be a non gacha game.
Let's see if it will bring back the player or not

[tropic summit]

tower of fantasy? damn that thing still lives

[swift mango]

Oil is a limited resource in Azur lane. To turn oil to gold you need time for example.

You can't use sweeps so it's still a limited earning in the end. The number of run you could make a day is now the stamina system.

[fathom rock]

Auto battle on infinite loop

In a sense thats right but thats aside from the passive houely gain you get if you wanna go casual

Hourly gain does stop past a certain point was 300k for me

[covert lintel]

Yeah but they are losing players as of now

[fathom rock]

Its settled im re installing lo it seems

[tropic summit]

it took so long for players to leave? i'm more impressed by the minute at how that community even lasted so long

[swift mango]

Idk how much that is. But I imagine you earn less than 1$ equivalent of pull for autoing 2 hours a day. Or even 20. All the while losing the upgrade resources you could farm.

[hexed zephyr]

So what would be a better order for team 3 on atk? Plus this was kinda why I liked the rh team so far too. If somehow Blanc or anis dies she could do a b3 or if needed a b2 xD.

[fathom rock]

Ill have to check package for that but keep in mind its impossible to whale unless you are in korea.

[tropic summit]

post or link box here, that way we can tell what you could run

[fathom rock]

You can try fit rapunzel with blanc but you sau this is attack team?
What do you have and what you fighting

[fathom rock]

@swift mango

[swift mango]

Are you getting to CA in any of your account?

[fathom rock]

All accounts cannot get ch4

My na is the most likely one to make it just gotta beat the jwoz whale or the moran nero abuser

This is 4th and is the only f2p in this area

[swift mango]

You be fair if you wanted to be Champs you better try to be one in Global. Since they have less lv gap in each bracket.

[fathom rock]

My na doesnt have level gap issue till i reach top 30 having 40+ sync gap and first place being able to cp gap my global acc

[swift mango]

So new player doesn't get overwhelmed.

[fathom rock]

I am not gonna make a new acc.

My global is legitimately bricked in spa in more ways than 1

[swift mango]

Anyway, good luck 🍀.
I was gonna say good luck with CA but remember you may not make it there.

Later.

[fathom rock]

[hexed zephyr]

Example of stuff I’m fighting in my group

[hexed zephyr]

Pretty sure I got all the good pvp units other than like Emilia

[fathom rock]

Noah biscuit is easy team to cook
You can also use biscuit to protect p1 blanc but that slows burst gen a bit
If p1 sanis lives regardless no need to worry but atleast with rh you have some backup if she dies

That enemy team is goofy

B2 rh

[hexed zephyr]

Ya but the main issue with other teams im facing is prob the power. Im too low i feel to face em lol

[tropic summit]

hmm box is decent overall, low invest on noah rumani and noise although

[hexed zephyr]

Ya I was most doing campaign and raids teams. My second big team was electric I worked on due to Cindy so had work done on summer anis and xmaiden. Which somewhat carried over to PvP thankfully

[tropic summit]

your 2 main attack teams can be these

scarlet can become scarlet trina rh centi jackal as long as you're not facing siren

T2 gives you anti nuke and buffed cindy nuke, can run it against any non noah teams

highly advise you get noise noah and rumani up to speed though before using it

invest wise they're down bottom

[fathom rock]

Doesnt that scar team need to be fed like 15-20 times to 2rl
Something to take note of

[hexed zephyr]

The main issue I got with teams like team 2 is it’s gonna take me so long to invest in like 3 more units since I still got other stuff I want to build more too. If I only did them slightly the power gap would be even bigger as well. That’s why I was trying to look for simple 1 unit replacements like rh to Rumani or something

[tropic summit]

it's 92% and 95% to 2RL, even just 1 AR is enough

he shouldn't run scarlet into a non feed 2RL team regardless

[glad meteor]

P1/p2 linkd helps

[tropic summit]

then you're gonna have to downgrade

[tropic summit]

this offers a good set of CP at the cost of having a weaker scarlet while keeping a strong 2RL indom

it also requires noise at least on SR5 doll and 4OL

that's the minimun invest i'd suggest to fix ur attack teams

alternative scarlet assuming you get to 3RL B1 safely

if scarlet dies she loses her stack even if you revive her

which leads to a weaker nuke

alternative 3RL cindy team that you could also opt to

make your considerations on when/who you want to invest

[fathom rock]

If naga dies early this is 4rl

[tropic summit]

ye these are options based on scenarios

[hexed zephyr]

Is naga just there for high cp? Also I was maybe thinking of using bay since she got an item now right? Would that be something to consider for me or would her teams need me to build like 3 or something units?

[tropic summit]

just throwing him what he can consider

[tropic summit]

bay regardless of treasure works as a direct counter to single hit nukers, specifically scarlet

it can come in handy if you're dealing with multiple fast teams with threats and you wanna spare a noah

typically if dealing with 2.5RL cindy and 2RL scarlet

[dense kindle]

Rng arena

[hexed zephyr]

I did used to use sbs Blanc actually but then switched later to scarlet once I built her later. Didn’t think to do sAnis and scarlet on same team tho 🤔

[tropic summit]

to be specific, this scenario would work well with bay, allowing you to use noah to absorb cindy nuke instead

[tropic summit]

s.anis works as a flex and sg non clip battery there to hit 3RL

when attacking you always need to consider CP

then try to hit your best speed

[shell hazel]

lack of rng in this arena this time

[dim escarp]

Nvm

[shell hazel]

first time I 5-0 sweep all 3 opponents lol

[dim escarp]

gg

[shell hazel]

I told you, you'd make it 😄

[dim escarp]

[tropic summit]

@umbral crown slow cindy team 6/0 so far

finally i can watch the replay to understand why it keeps winning

[tropic summit]

post your 2B matches

[shell hazel]

sasuga

[dim escarp]

as always

[shell hazel]

yours? post em here 😄

[hexed zephyr]

Ye that’s why I was trying to get 2 2 rl teams. But the Rumani idea is worse than a 2rl and 3rl since I’m picking my atk targets or what?

[crystal flicker]

I decide not to put 2B sadly

[shell hazel]

I don't think I seen any railtracer matches posted here yet

[tropic summit]

waaaaaat.

[crystal flicker]

Her distribute damage is ridiculious

[fathom rock]

...

[tropic summit]

best i can do

my CA purpose of last 2 seasons is seeing slow cindy win ratio

[half grail]

Who has a good use for pvp for favorite item?

[dim escarp]

I ll be prob free for the next 2 month cuz I decided to invest on my water pve team instead giving CS

[fathom rock]

Helm
Laplace

[tropic summit]

because it's also the only SP arena team left that allows me to win def

[crystal flicker]

I did several test run yesterday, and that 2B comp always lose

[tropic summit]

holy moly

[fathom rock]

Slow cindy can help me?

[half grail]

Any of the newer ones got good or what?

[tropic summit]

it's a double edged sword, my bracket already copying it

[dim escarp]

[tropic summit]

the only good thing is that they don't know how to make it work

[fathom rock]

Poli is rare usage

BayT is still same as normal bay just single hit nuke blocker
Julia is lets not

[dim escarp]

at least you can test

[fathom rock]

Lemme help you test

[dim escarp]

the only I can test have 60 level more than me

[crystal flicker]

Whale behavior

[tropic summit]

i'll share if it achieves perfect win ratio

should need a specific archetype to lose

[crystal flicker]

You should look at the group number

[half grail]

Ah okay that’s good to know was curious if they did good

[fathom rock]

Just tell me the concept and ill lose for you

[tropic summit]

it's a spinoff from merry's slow cindy

there's a vid of her team at work

[tropic summit]

#pvp-arena message

the real deal is the interaction between blanc biscuit cindy and rumani

midhara can be flex unit, although she works very good to bait helmT nuke and just add passive DoT dmg over time

since the team is meant to stall for time, it harmonizes well

[fathom rock]

How did 3 live

[tropic summit]

i need to hit higher CA ranks to have better tests because qualifiers have kinda mid enemies

so it's still gonna be RNG if i can get this tested and more data

[dim escarp]

I just did it's over for me

epic

[fathom rock]

Well nice concept ill use it when attacking in spa

But not in defense cuz theyd beat the shit out of that

[tropic summit]

if you're CP gapped it loses meaning

as rumani needs to at least hit a biscuit s2 stack

you'll want cindy target skipped, blanc taking the brunt with invul, rumani popping s2 after enemy nuke or kit goes off

once you get past that, you'll hit 5RL-6RL, blanc goes off, cindy goes off, cleanup

[fathom rock]

If i ran that, rumani blanc will invul and cindy will die

[tropic summit]

well i'm watching the videos myself to see why it even works

last 3 matches replays were not working

[fathom rock]

Buggy A

Ba

[tropic summit]

wouldn't surprise me, spaghetti code

[fathom rock]

Champion arena was ba all along

[dim escarp]

it's the second time I ll fight someone from here

[crystal flicker]

You might get lucky and somehow win 3,4,5

[dim escarp]

let's hope not

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-more-gif-21856591

[dim escarp]

I barely invest these time it would be not fair

[hexed zephyr]

If I worked on 2 units eventually would this be better then?

[crystal flicker]

It'll be fun to see my 1.6RL Scarlet got beaten tbh

[hollow lagoon]

I thought I got folded but guess not

[dim escarp]

That's fast

[tropic summit]

unprotected noah p1, can die in 2RL against 4 SGs

specifically against drake with somewat ele atk%, she melts

[fathom rock]

Ned noah and p2 cindy

[tropic summit]

bet you're the type who says after exams that you scored poorly but then come back with an A

[crystal flicker]

Still not fast enough to let Scarlet burst before 2RL B2

[hollow lagoon]

nah, the guy's scarlet werent invested nuff and my cinderella team lived barelly pulled thru lel

[fathom rock]

Why prydwen reccomend 4atk 4 ele on nero

[dim escarp]

so if soda don't stun Rosa it's over for you I guess

[tropic summit]

all part of the keikaku

[shell hazel]

nah gotta believe in the invest

[hollow lagoon]

Awe man screwed up my indom, forgot anis have non existent ho

[hollow lagoon]

Welp prob gonna get derped out cuz that indom mistake

Next ca gotta swap anis and Centi

Ironically this make my indom strong against SG team

Maybe this is the play

[shell hazel]

speaking of folding I folded all 3 of my opponents did you see? 😄

[hollow lagoon]

I did

[cunning steppe]

Should I use Rosanna for defense in PvP?

I got Trina since last time so maybe new team?

[hexed zephyr]

Hmm, alright. Btw to try to catch up on power is it fine to sr15 and max ol lv units like jackal, centi, Trina, blanc? Or is that always a waste of time/resources? @fathom rock

[dim sapphire]

Lore accurate?

[tropic summit]

4/4/4 on batteries, you can refer to prydwen for recommended skill levels and OL