pvp-arena

[scarlet adder]

i have bond situation like this :D^

for sure i will wait with it for sp season to end and then think whether should i drop all this and lose some gems cause of it

maybe lose is not the right word but postpone some gems

[quartz rover]

Thats two days of bonds

[scarlet adder]

yeah if i burn all bond items

but i could use squad items to get some gems for episodes

[quartz rover]

I guess

Can get those from just doing bonds daily

Idk the math for the gain for favorite items but you get 9? 10? Bonds a day that are 100 or 120 a day, you'll get those episodes eventually

[tropic summit]

succesfully trolled in rookie, changing team at the last few minutes

[scarlet adder]

so this shit works ? i wondered 😄

can you switch teams in sp arena around last minute and do similar thing?

with only 3 pilgrims/over spec i have to don't i?

[tropic summit]

i don't think it applies immediate there's a delay, with rookie it's easier because opponent needs 5 attempts

in sparena it all takes 1 attempt

[tropic summit]

this is for #questions channel

[umbral belfry]

scarler incoming or noah

[scarlet adder]

nope

[glad meteor]

[scarlet adder]

at least ssr

i had like 3 of them so tower could be problematic

so i am happy

why no R/SR pilgrims 😄

[umbral belfry]

well, could've been worse

[scarlet adder]

[unique mountain]

Something that can beat this at 15-20% deficit

[tropic summit]

rosanna would be lovely here

do you've her?

[unique mountain]

Got everyone

[tropic summit]

then this is just meat waiting to be cooked

oh or even better

you can actually face tank that and do a slow cindy nuke

try this

record if you can

[strange magnet]

3 best teams for pvp in sp arena ?

[tropic summit]

refer to pins, else also this

#pvp-arena message

[unique mountain]

149k vs 195k

[tropic summit]

yeah you're on deficit

[unique mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/yamcha-yamcha-death-pose-yamcha-dead-yamcha-on-the-ground-yamcha-sleeping-gif-15816799

[tropic summit]

gonna have to take orthodox approach then

24% deficit you shouldn't even try

[unique mountain]

@errant rivet i made efilorez change his defense , now he again cp deficited me

[shell hazel]

[umbral belfry]

hippo copying me

[shell hazel]

nuh-uh

[tropic summit]

go with this

this has core units in there you should be fine

if you're still on deficit don't bother

[umbral belfry]

i just got her sr15 yday

[shell hazel]

you copy me!

[umbral belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/mochi-mochimons-mochimon-kawaii-cute-gif-10462924222323919853

[unique mountain]

Nah I'm waiting for 601 now

[tropic summit]

oh oke, it's winnable with the above as long as you're not gapped

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/uno-gif-5062314584481309502

[unique mountain]

Read the caption @tropic summit

[tropic summit]

ye 20% not 24%

check with the other variation i gave you

you can post the matchup i can check

[unique mountain]

I ran out of ateks

[shell hazel]

I don't have any doll mats left really

[tropic summit]

oh nos

guess it will be for tomorrow

[shell hazel]

however

https://tenor.com/view/harry-potter-marauders-map-mischief-managed-gif-16088629

[unique mountain]

Blood still advising my pvp , if he says it can't be done then it can't be done

[tropic summit]

it depends on what deficit you are but if you don't give me the info i can't help you

[unique mountain]

I'll try your team tomorrow if i dont forget

[tropic summit]

oke doke

[unique mountain]

The comment wasn't serious , i was just jesting

[tropic summit]

post the matchup before submitting this time so we know already if it's meaningless

[tropic summit]

ye i figured no worries

[unique mountain]

I know standard procedure is to post le box

To see big cp units

[tropic summit]

aye

[unique mountain]

I was gonna say blood still has access to my blabla , then remembered its set to union only ,

[tropic summit]

[scarlet adder]

can i beat one of those ?(didn't set up teams at all just wonder if i can beat it with my box). 3rd i think might be easy(not shown here)

[tropic summit]

both are in range

pick the one who's higher

post all 3 matchups afterward

[scarlet adder]

this is the same guy

[tropic summit]

then both are in range

[scarlet adder]

that is his 3rd

[tropic summit]

ok we kinda wanna skip the jackal biscuit one, the other 2 are in your strikezone

as you're noahless

post or link your box here moro

this is unchanged?

#pvp-arena message

[scarlet adder]

yes

only modernia but she useless

[tropic summit]

take a screenshot of these 2 matchups and post them here so we doublecheck CP

[scarlet adder]

oiii

[tropic summit]

that one is too low

get your helm treasured

[scarlet adder]

i will 😄 just next season 😄

now i don't really fight for that much

[tropic summit]

try with naga instead of blanc maybe it pushes it up enough

[scarlet adder]

nopee still not enough

but T1 is overkill in regards to cp

enemy has like 70 k less 😄

[tropic summit]

thing is we still need a tad of speed on the other one

and your speed units are the low CP ones

[scarlet adder]

out of my pvp units which one should i invest first? jackal?

[tropic summit]

oh can still push it up a tad

try with helm instead of drake

[scarlet adder]

ok this one seems good cp wise

[tropic summit]

13,7% you're in target

go get em

record so we can see if something needs tweaking

you might get rapunzel stunned btw

although helm and alice will be shooting p5 and sgs + jackal will be shooting p1

[scarlet adder]

ooof lost sorry

can i replay somehow ?

[tropic summit]

it should show you if you want to watch the match

although i know probably what happened, you gonna need blanc afterall

[tropic summit]

ye you got bursted by RRH

you bursted around 3.5RL, they around 4RL

invest issue, you'll get em once you're up to speed

[scarlet adder]

ok lets' just sit in 4th for now ;D thanks

[tropic summit]

no problem

once you've helmT that team jumps to 3RL, there's a lot more options then

[scarlet adder]

ahhh i am pissed of i got 40 tickets got 2 elyson 1 tetra that i have already....

[wind kelp]

Once more i have slain the #2 dragon, not that it'll last long, but it's atleast doable. Thanks to the Enriched cooks (just had to switch siren to rapipi and add SBS in there).

[scarlet adder]

game definietly doesn't want to give me those pvp nikkes 😄

[tropic summit]

it's more about a matter of time

sooner or later they'll pop in

[wind kelp]

looks at Red Hood One day. One day. Only been year and a half 😄

[scarlet adder]

yeahh but like i only hitting dupes here is like so unlucky

[wind kelp]

I always did wonder; if you leave your core 7 units there, and you get 19 units to core 7, are all gold in standard the one unit left? 😄

[scarlet adder]

i turn off the game before i spend more out of being pissed of 😄

[tropic summit]

a wise decision

for the most part nikke is an idle game, give it time and it will give you stuff

very slowly although

[scarlet adder]

jsut before breaking the wall it was avoiding dupes like hell after breaking the wall getting all dupes 😄

[wind kelp]

As an example; Free to play box after 1.5 years. And a year goes by so fast in the end :p

Although that is from a few weeks ago.

[scarlet adder]

i just wonder how to get all those missing wishlist targets, we get very little ordinary banners per month so i it feels like it will take forever unlessyou are lucky on special banners 😄

pilgrims already feel like nightmare to get

[umbral belfry]

alice #1

[raven cairn]

what would be the best sanis team for pvp?

[wind kelp]

It just comes along the way. Events, codes from things like anniversaries, friendlist(get that to 30/30) thins some out, and yeah, no gems needed, or silver tickets, just time, events, things 😄

[scarlet adder]

why your helm not treasured 😮

[wind kelp]

Old list, i'll update it at some point, she's fully treasured atm 😄

Also on pilgrims, it feels daunting, but those start appearing as well. Some months, nothing, i had 6 molds that gave nothing, but then "oopsie, 4 pilgrims a week". Time balances it all, well, outside missing dang Red Hood still! XD

[scarlet adder]

yeahh i see RH not there 😄 still my luck for pilgrims i soo bad i pulled over 1000 times and all i have is 3 and one is from rerolling so baiscly 2 😄

but yeahhh hope statistic will do its thing and after roling 10000 i will be closer to that 0,5%

[hollow lagoon]

wow a mana invester

https://tenor.com/view/predator-arnold-schwarzenegger-hand-shake-arms-gif-3468629

[wind kelp]

And a very very good investment at that 😄

[scarlet adder]

shiiit i can buy this crap 2 times ... i will probably buy it again just before next season 😄 i need to buy those so they wont tempt me anymore

[tropic summit]

i'll tell you, it's a trap

[fathom rock]

@tropic summit back to square 0 they broke tove sg
Want def

[tropic summit]

[tropic summit]

depends on how much you willing to commit to defense

[fathom rock]

He gon tell me ol sr15 moran nero watch

[tropic summit]

nah

that's overkill imo, but siren linked and noise taunt priority are a good upgrade if you don't have them yet

[fathom rock]

I might actually not mind lmao

Im behind on levels this is probably worth

Siren link? Why specifically

Noise has 0 cs so can use her to bait enemy siren

Cuz noah has 14%

[tropic summit]

siren in p1 or p2 forces enemy to run noise taunt priority or get their noah, in any position, stunned pre B2 on 2RL

[lunar pawn]

anyone got treasure bay? thoughts? what phase?

[fathom rock]

Im too broke to attempt this

[tropic summit]

which makes scarlet a bit more tedious to deal with this

[tropic summit]

i think you can actually put that up easily

[fathom rock]

I meant bay

[tropic summit]

as for your box, those down there are fine right?

[scarlet adder]

nahhh it is good 😄 i buy it second time and never more 😄 btw. if i feel deseperation i can do this 😄

[fathom rock]

Yessir, not the best cp but have ol and sr doll

[tropic summit]

mhm

[fathom rock]

Most of them are sr5 i believe

[tropic summit]

i'm thinking we can run 2RL teams and 3RL emi

[fathom rock]

But seriously tho should i invest moran nero

[raven plover]

for SP no, moran bay works way better and cheaper imo

[hollow lagoon]

[fathom rock]

Ye screw ca i just want gems

[fathom rock]

BsyT?

[hollow lagoon]

I already invested Nero

[raven plover]

no treasure also fine

[hollow lagoon]

But I also invested bay

[tropic summit]

what's xmaiden burst lvl btw?

[fathom rock]

4/4/4 sr5?
Or go to 10s?

[raven plover]

ye 444 sr5 is enough

[fathom rock]

8

[tropic summit]

it's too expensive for SParena imo

[fathom rock]

And 101010 sr15 moran?

[tropic summit]

also how's your quantum lvl atm @fathom rock

[fathom rock]

7 as usual

[tropic summit]

ah perfect

[raven plover]

no you need to test the water first like 7 4 7

[fathom rock]

Sr5 747 sound like something i can afford

I am still scarless tho how much that affect

[raven plover]

better wait rail teams first before investing

[umbral belfry]

that's me

[scarlet adder]

@tropic summit out of my pvp nikkes, is jackal the one i should potentially invest first? thelm probably before jackal. Damn getting 3 elysion attacker items for rapi was pain now another 4 for thelm 😦

[tropic summit]

this should be pretty evil

it's making use also of your CP

[raven plover]

noah biscuit
sbs blanc redhood
moran bay

[tropic summit]

try to get noah 4%-6% extra CS% than noise

siren should be linked in T1

you're contesting it only with helmT

run that team in union shooting range just to ensure of it i guess

getting emi CS% will also allow you to run that team as 2.5RL instead

you can balance further CP on T3 by switching drakeT with centi in case

post all 3 just for reference to see how your CP is distributed

[fathom rock]

Siren helm link

[tropic summit]

awesome

oh CP is better than i thought

[fathom rock]

Noah is 14% above noise

[tropic summit]

can leave as is i guess

[tropic summit]

perfect so you've also noise taunt priority, that noah cannot be stunned by siren

looks good i guess, give it a shot

[fathom rock]

Emi is 21cs indeed too

[tropic summit]

oh

i think you might hit 2.5RL then lemme check

@fathom rock nvm you need a bit of CS% on centi too for that

when you've got rocks to throw i guess

[fathom rock]

Only 4.92 on her

[tropic summit]

gonna need another 6%

11% centi 21% emi should be 2.5RL

there it is

[fathom rock]

Also running tempering on noise

[tropic summit]

ye that's fine

[fathom rock]

Timw to attacc

[tropic summit]

ch2 ch3?

[fathom rock]

Beat ch9 easily
Now ch6

[tropic summit]

dejavu

[tropic summit]

T1 and T2 look simple enough

T3 gonna need double cycle but could be doable

[umbral belfry]

no b1 or b2 for t3?

[fathom rock]

ToveT reach max stack at 2.5rl one day i use hee

[fathom rock]

Bruteforcing dmg

[umbral belfry]

idk if it'll work out in 2 - 3rl but

maybe noah will die quick

[fathom rock]

Now we wait

[umbral belfry]

bullied

[tropic summit]

lmao execution squad on T3

[umbral belfry]

[tropic summit]

retro really appreciating shotguns

should've used doroS instead of xmaiden

[fathom rock]

Sr and pvp units gotta love em

[fathom rock]

Tru

[tropic summit]

@crystal flicker dafuq suisei never did a cover of secret base?

[misty finch]

Anyone know why I got a teamwide stun here?

[tropic summit]

rapunzel p1

[umbral belfry]

You got rapu to too low hp, when she bursts she stuns if hp is low enough

[tropic summit]

run a team with mostly snipers and you should be fine

[misty finch]

Bruh

[umbral belfry]

[shell hazel]

though that team is risky only p1 rapu 😄

[tropic summit]

then again SG team should also do well here

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/aventurine-star-rail-i-love-gambling-roulette-gif-15600735931808948001

[gritty ridge]

Siren👉👈

Nah im kidding

[shell hazel]

run retro execution squad

[gritty ridge]

Doesn't siren not work if 2rl?

[shell hazel]

siren won't stun b1 at p1 at 2rl

[gritty ridge]

Yeah thats what I was thinking

[tropic summit]

it's a passive

(rapunzel)

you've to kill her with enough damage to not drop her in the threshold to stun

generally SGs are 3-4 hits kills

[shell hazel]

she has to burst I thought?

[shell hazel]

hmm it's in her burst skill though, I assumed it's an extra mod on her burst if she's 30% or less

[tropic summit]

think there's probably some videos around

[tropic summit]

you're correct hippo found it

stun activated as soon as rapu matched HP threshold condition and casted B1

[shell hazel]

yeah my thinking was you play around gaming her hp to 30% or less to b1 with

but it's hard to reliably do it

[quick lake]

yep. Not the most reliable. Now siren/soda preferred

[tropic summit]

this was pre-activation HP

[shell hazel]

it seems strong if it works

[tropic summit]

the timing is peculiar

she needs to match that HP threshold AND cast at the right time

on defense that's like asking for a miracle as it's in the hands of the attacker

on attack on the other hand can probably be easier to hit the conditions

[shell hazel]

yeah, if you put her at p1 or p2 she might die, but she might not and then stun time 😄

[tropic summit]

mhm

too ballsy

[gritty ridge]

What abt privaty stun

[shell hazel]

yeah, I'd do it if I had a backup b1 and I could afford for her to die

[quick lake]

There has been a priv stun + hard hitting auto attack team. But not as common nowadays

[gritty ridge]

Also dont question my team too much

Im doing crazy things to not be in deficit

Btw biscuit and jackal interact bad dont they

[tropic summit]

just after the bay fix

they used to interact fine before and hopefully will be fixed

[gritty ridge]

What changed?

[oblique ridge]

Damage is calculated as if invincible didn’t exist

It stops and reduces damage dealt to 0, but the calculation is done and used

Like… Helm’s lifeleech buff on her team. Her whole team hits the invincible unit like they’re dealing actual damage, healing everybody, instead of dealing 0 dmg and healing nobody

Invincible unit still takes 0 dmg

It had pretty dire impact on pvp, like before you could count on taunt + invincible holding BS Scarlet down because she distributes 0 dmg to enemy team. Well, you can imagine what happens now

Also, Jackal’s damage share fires with this calculation even if the linked unit is invincible

That’s the worst part - hitting invincible Jackal still murders her teammates

[gritty ridge]

I-

Wtf shift up

[twilit bay]

Wait, so SBS is no longer countered by Biscuit + defender?

[gritty ridge]

So no more biscuit jackal attacking teams

[oblique ridge]

Dmg Reduction still works, it’s only Invincible that has this weirdness now

So if it’s a highly Dmg Reducing Nero, it’ll still work, but I heard Blanc messes with Nero a lot

[gritty ridge]

Wait, is indom affected by this?

[oblique ridge]

But, yeah, something like Noah + Biscuit if it ever was a thing can no longer 100% pin down BScarlet during full burst

[raven plover]

still countered if they heals

[gritty ridge]

Like if im doing blanc rh jackal, will rh die from jackal link?

[raven plover]

#pvp-arena message

[twilit bay]

I see, was hoping I could use SBS as def again.

[raven plover]

well siren also kinda counter sbs as well so yea

[oblique ridge]

Nice

Apparently in that case, Noah held SBS off long enough with her own invincible etc

[oblique ridge]

Are you talking about Indom not working right?

[gritty ridge]

Yeah im asking if the weird calculations affect indom

[oblique ridge]

Indom will still save the unit. This is about Invincible. Like Jackal was going to receive 9,999 dmg hit, and share 3,333 to teammates, but Jackal is invincible (Biscuit), the old way was she’d get 0 dmg hit and share 0 dmg.

New way is Jackal’d get 0 dmg hit but still share 3,333 dmg each to her hapless linked allies.

[gritty ridge]

Ok I see

[crystal flicker]

It seems so

[gritty ridge]

Btw would this work or feed too much

[raven plover]

somehow yes tho only for scar case I believe, and you use trina. like scar blanc redhood trina jack. trina invi buff makes scar receive no dmg but still shared to others (wasnt like that before bay fix)

[oblique ridge]

Wait so

Oh damn, Scarlet Trina Jackal got nerfed hard then, by this bug/feature

[glad meteor]

Blanc should get siren stunned anyways , depends on your opponent. If using for def

[oblique ridge]

I rather liked Scarlet Trina Jackal too

[glad meteor]

Not really , scar trina jackal still works. Just not going to clear hard deficit

Scar will sometimes still need jackal to survive in p1 long enough to burst.

Somtimes

[crystal flicker]

That's why I'm making 1.5RL Scarlet comp

[gritty ridge]

Chat would this work

[glad meteor]

Of course

But jackal p1 to avoid siren stun

Unless ammo low enough

Switch anis with a b1 that does something

[gritty ridge]

Can siren even do anything in time?

Thats 1.6 rl without feed

Also, ca in 2 days

[glad meteor]

It can stun in p1. Whether it has an impact or not depends on matchup and cs

[quick lake]

Its still a 2RL team fyi

[gritty ridge]

Really? How's that

[quick lake]

No true 1.5RL exists afaik. In that team u suggested, we’re still waiting for the “2nd projectile” to hit the opponent. So its still a 2RL

[gritty ridge]

Ah I see, so youd need non rl units with gen to obtain faster, but those dont exist

[quick lake]

Exactly!

[gritty ridge]

I think technically grave, siren, modernia, mg, mg is the fastest gen in game but only after first burst

[quick lake]

Even if u mix them in, not fast enough

[gritty ridge]

Oh its not usable in pvp at all

Very slow first burst

Now if they gave grave a treasure that made it so her burst gen was for every burst including first, we could see some interesting pvp teams

[quick lake]

1.5RL teams would break pvp imo. Likely pvp meta will shift into more useful B1/B2 units like Rosanna/Siren/Soda

or re-enter B1/B2

pvp deadge game mode anyways

[gritty ridge]

Rip

They do think abt us tho with treasures

[quick lake]

Hmm, idk. Bay and Poli treasures were a big miss imo. Could have made them more pvp viable

[gritty ridge]

Helm treasure tho

The p1 was definitely for pvp

Idrk what they could've done with bay treasure to make her more useful tho

She has a simple job and she does it well

[quick lake]

We wait for more pvp unit ig

[gritty ridge]

New pvp pilgrim on anni

[quick lake]

Usually pvp units are not on big events

[gritty ridge]

Im thinking we get hansel/gretel or we get heretics

[gritty ridge]

Siren

[umbral belfry]

i'd say siren leans more pve vs pvp

just can be used in pvp

[gritty ridge]

Siren is just good all around

[quick lake]

Soda was there before Siren

[umbral belfry]

and the better stunner

noise and noah get the 2-for-1 special

you're just much more likely to use siren vs soda in rookie/sp due to siren always being geared for pve regardless, so cp won't ever be an issue

[gritty ridge]

She does abuse any solo p1 burst type tho

[umbral belfry]

not in a 2rl comp

in 2rl, b1 would've already bursted

[gritty ridge]

But what abt b2 or b3

[umbral belfry]

vs a 2rl comp such as cindy, if a soda is in p1 or p2, she will always stun noise + noah

vs siren only stunning either noise or noah only

[umbral belfry]

b2 such as noah can also be saved but only if the other RLs have 11 cs+

soda just stuns on burst, which is rng or if taunted she will always stun those 2

meaning b1 + b2 (example noise and noah) aren't safe from her if soda is in p1/p2. vs siren where vs 2rl b1 is always safe and b2 may be safe assuming cs

but noise can just have higher taunt priority to make siren always stun her after burst anywho, which means noah won't ever be stunned by siren anywho

[quick lake]

i think 2RL Scar Soda Trina Jackal should be the best team. With cs%, near unbeatable

[umbral belfry]

yeah i agree

eventually i'll do that but doing other stuff rn

[quick lake]

Need more rocks and dupes

[umbral belfry]

[umbral crown]

[primal charm]

do helm burst no buff one shot moran chat

[quick lake]

Should be able to i think

[gritty ridge]

I dont think anybody tanks helm burst solo, maybe nero or moran on proper stall team or ludmilla

[dim sapphire]

what cinderella team can go against nero/moran comp without biscuit and jackal?

any built nero/moran they get rekt

looking for a solution for next ca's

[gritty ridge]

Rh buffed cindy should nuke nero moran

[umbral belfry]

a helm did to my sr15 10/10/10 moran in a 2.5 nero stall, but she still bursted before and won the match so

[dim sapphire]

means no noise

[gritty ridge]

Yeah its rough

[raven plover]

blanc cindy should be enough

merry team

[dim sapphire]

seem like my team will be more vulnerable putting cindy with blanc

so i have to put noah with emilia

[raven plover]

merry's team pretty interesting, saw some copy it
cindy, blanc, biscuit, rumani, mihara

mihara to shut scar down

[dim sapphire]

this seem good against 3rl cindy, sg but what about other comp

what about nero/moran,

[raven plover]

pray mihara ticks finish their team after cindy burst

[dim sapphire]

can i cope with noah able to burst on time without noise in cindy team

[raven plover]

blanc, emi, bis, mihara, rumani also pretty stable to beat nero moran if you have the cs

[dim sapphire]

nero/moran too invincible without b1 buffer

[umbral belfry]

just proc mihara's instant ohko bug

[dim sapphire]

rip keripo

got cocked by mihara bug

[umbral belfry]

[quick lake]

I dont think any cindy team wins Nero Moran

Maybe RH cindy, but burst gen like crap

[dim sapphire]

ill try noah,rh,cindy then... if noah can survive in p1

so disappointed in treasure bay, missed opportunity for more burst gen

[quick lake]

With current Helm lifesteal bug/feature. No way Cindy winning imo

[quick lake]

yeah. Devs dont play pvp

[glad meteor]

Nero moran helm rapu cindy

[quick lake]

Hmmmmmm

[dim sapphire]

only can win against nero moran comp is mirror or very built sg team and blanc sometime

[glad meteor]

Needs cs for even 3.5 rl lol

Cindy gen bad

[dim sapphire]

or 2rl scarlet b1 buffer

no one run b1 buffer on 2rl scarlet anymore cause of soda

either siren or soda

this is so fustrating

[quick lake]

Imo, just get Scar to 20-32 ammo. Safe from Siren stun

Dont see Soda as often recently

[raven plover]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-star-noted-notes-gif-26231953

[umbral crown]

Hard to tell, usually nero moran teams tanks all cindy variants

[umbral crown]

Usually a boi called newmeta would be taking notes

At least when zixk was with us

[raven plover]

he was really prepared back then, he had like 2 set of teams ready when they announced CA is released. bro left on hobo rei banner, I remember he said he gonna all in. prolly got unlucky there and quit

[primal charm]

even with trina rh, how could scar kill nero tho?

[umbral crown]

Blood moment with elegg

[primal charm]

she be like reduce 99.9999% dmg

[umbral crown]

When i went all in on S.Rosanna banmer i mlb her with 100 pulls

The luckiest was rapipi, 30-40 pulls to mlb

[raven plover]

[umbral crown]

Pvp luck is real

Just not in CA for me

[junior tiger]

any teams that can beat this defense line up?
I have all units, feel free to make teams

[raven plover]

try
noah, noise, biscuit, rumani, cindy

[gritty ridge]

Wouldn't that get caught by noah?

Could do sbs

[junior tiger]

cindy did indeed got caught by noah

trying with sbs

[gritty ridge]

Otherwise indom or bay stall team

I think

[junior tiger]

@gritty ridge sbs barely won, but at a 15 level gap that's enough for me

[gritty ridge]

Wait thats sbs not drunklet im dumb

[umbral belfry]

another instance of sbs beating noah + bisc

[gritty ridge]

Yippee, capitalizing on shift up forgetting how things work

[umbral belfry]

bay won't help vs sbs

[gritty ridge]

Yeah i thought it was drunklet

I realized after

[umbral belfry]

[gritty ridge]

Sbs works against invul atm tho so we got lucky

[junior tiger]

lmao cheesy, love it

[gritty ridge]

Shiftup messed up invul and dmg share interactions

[scarlet adder]

do i win this?

[gritty ridge]

@umbral belfry whats the standard counter to sbs? Is it nero moran?

[umbral belfry]

nero + moran does win against indom sbs yes, not 100% sure about indom sbs w/ rh buff though

i would've said noah + bisc or moran + bisc, but after the new stuff going on no longer a hard counter most times

but nero stall still does shut her down

[gritty ridge]

Team 2 100%, you get to experience cindy p1

Idk how roseanna interacts with other units tho so cant say for team 1

Defender is very slow tho

[scarlet adder]

i know that this guy attacked me twice... and lost 😄 so he must be beatable

3rd team just big cp with helm

[gritty ridge]

So roseana<scar soda<Noah cindy<nero moran<blanc sbs?

Rock paper scissors

[umbral belfry]

what is this list for?

[gritty ridge]

Just counters

[umbral belfry]

to sbs?

[gritty ridge]

Not whats better or anythin

Nah i was trying to figure out the standard rock paper scissors interactions in spa

[umbral belfry]

nero moran beats noah cindy unless i'm not understanding it right

[gritty ridge]

I thought noah cindy eats stall team if b1 buff

[umbral belfry]

if nero moran is invested it's beating noah cindy

moran DR + nero will tank it

maybe helm dies at best, but rapu revives and then they die on 2nd cycle

[gritty ridge]

Ah ok, whats standard counter then?

[umbral belfry]

out of that list, the one that has the best chance is a 2rl scar nuke. but single buff isn't always lethal. to make it lethal you'd need scar rh

[gritty ridge]

Oh my list doesnt mean anything

Im just trying to learn interactions

[umbral belfry]

ohh

yeah the best shot for what can beat nero stall at our level (with no sanis/emi) is double buff scar

granted the less invested a nero moran team is, the easier it is to beat

[scarlet adder]

Hime what do you think?

[umbral belfry]

the amount of low invest stalls i've seen

[gritty ridge]

There's someone in my spa building stall team

They have everyone but rapu

Nero moran both sr15

[umbral belfry]

both looks winnable. but having a defender instead of naga would be preferred bc drake will be hitting your p5. but if it dips your cp low enough to the point where you're now in deficit you have no choice then

[umbral belfry]

he's doing super early prep then

if they don't have rapu then you won't have to worry for long

rapu is needed for stall team, so until then you're safe

enemy drake on t1, not yours

[scarlet adder]

ahh i see

[gritty ridge]

Rn I just nuke it with rh cindy

So thats why I thought it counters

[umbral belfry]

idk how their OLs are so i can't say

but even if they're sr15 dolls but low skill levels, that'll also make a difference

bc both nero and moran are high invest skill levels too

[gritty ridge]

Maybe they're in here just lurking

[umbral belfry]

then again

[gritty ridge]

I havent seen anyone from my server or brackets afaik

[scarlet adder]

yeahhh no defender with that cp

[umbral belfry]

if they're also not using any healer on that team, it's no threat at all

[gritty ridge]

HelmT burst

[scarlet adder]

ahh wait

[umbral belfry]

it is what it is then. naga but die but it's usable

[scarlet adder]

i have big Crown

[umbral belfry]

her alone won't be enough. rapu is a must in stall team. much less of a threat

[scarlet adder]

but RL will be lowe

[umbral belfry]

you can try with what you have now but just know naga will take pressure

[gritty ridge]

I beat it with cindy, Noah, rh so im glad its not built yet

[umbral belfry]

soon

[gritty ridge]

Might not be an issue because they have p1 cindy

They ultra mega feed cp

Oh wait wrong team

Im dumb

[scarlet adder]

ehhhh T2 lost

[gritty ridge]

Wait really?

Show dmg pls

[scarlet adder]

too late clicked trhough it

but their biscuit is a problem

[gritty ridge]

Biscuit protects cindy and Tia but their team is slow and feeds big

Should've been alright

[scarlet adder]

yeha buti hit cindy and cindy kills me

[gritty ridge]

Ohhh rrh b3

[scarlet adder]

i cant kill her because of biscuit invu

[gritty ridge]

No nuke

Whats your b3 options?

[scarlet adder]

thank you god

[gritty ridge]

[scarlet adder]

finally some nuke

what is mana doing again?

[gritty ridge]

Mana can boost batteries and also revives 1 unit instantly

Other than that not very useful in pvp afaik

[scarlet adder]

she immidietly revive if someone dies? seems good

[quick lake]

niche pvp pick

[primal charm]

i use her in def

[scarlet adder]

but agains b3 single target she can be worse biscuit i think

[crystal flicker]

Haven't saw her anywhere outside stall comp

[scarlet adder]

still i needed b3 nuke so i am really happy with cindy

[primal charm]

1rl sacc

[gritty ridge]

Cindy is a great pull in general for pve and pvp

[primal charm]

this is a nightmare def comp if you are outlvl your bracket )like me)

[crystal flicker]

That ain't gonna work in normal env

[primal charm]

what is normal env

[crystal flicker]

Similar CP + Proper comp

I haven't use Scarlet P1 in a while lol

[primal charm]

this is bully comp

[quick lake]

I applaud the double sacc

[scarlet adder]

is this enough for her ?skillwise?

[gritty ridge]

Yeah

[scarlet adder]

i am far from phase 3 so i could potentially wait with burst skill but yeahhh

[quick lake]

Phase 3 not too impt

[scarlet adder]

yeahh but with all other treasures it is better to push to p3 (which can be useful) than to build another one

does pushing p3 also give some stats?

or just skill upgrade?

her 7/4/7 would be enough?

i think i could push to 10/4/10 but dunno if i should

[quick lake]

PvE wants 10/7/10 cindy minimally either way

Mostly for elec weak content

[scarlet adder]

is she that good in campaign? i tought she is more boss oriented

[gritty ridge]

Shes basically a necessity ch 32 and 34 boss

[quick lake]

She is a necessary boss killer for 30/32/34 iirc

[gritty ridge]

28, 30, 31 she isnt as needed

[scarlet adder]

oi shift up didn't change elements of bosses too much i see 😄

[gritty ridge]

32 and 34 tho are terrible

Big chunk of campaign is electric or iron weak

[scarlet adder]

for iron i have just raven ...

[gritty ridge]

You have rapi

Literally the highest dps iron in the game

[scarlet adder]

rapi is fire/electric

[gritty ridge]

No

[scarlet adder]

hmmm

[gritty ridge]

Fire/iron

And i think raven is second best iron dps on most bosses

[scarlet adder]

ahh you might be right

electric are weak to iron?

[gritty ridge]

Yup

Electric>iron>wind>fire>water>electric

[scarlet adder]

is saw this and tought for sure electric xD

[crystal flicker]

Cindy is 101010

S2 might not seem important, but for PvE it'll gave you nice dmg boost since Cindy's atk buff scale off her hp

[coarse lake]

S2 won't matter in pvp

You get like 1 stack, hp gain isn't even 0.5% from 7 to 10

Main use is to tank longer vs sgs with decoy

[gritty ridge]

I should win i think

Ik i give big jackal feed but if I stun it shouldn't matter

Idek how biscuit got so damaged

I was also wrong btw, I think I fed them to 2rl lmao

Priv burst just suck

[scarlet adder]

modernia 😮 wth is that guy cooking

[gritty ridge]

No idea

[scarlet adder]

probably cp padded team

[quick lake]

SBS nukes targets lowest defence unit

[scarlet adder]

but still mega ass

[gritty ridge]

Ah so thats why biscuit gets beat up so bad

[quick lake]

yeah. thats my guess

[gritty ridge]

If they burst with sbs instead of priv they might have a shot at winning

Idk what they're cooking

It almost looks like they hit auto from team order

[crystal flicker]

That's why Noah better to counter ScarBS

[gritty ridge]

What are my chances here

I might move biscuit to p2

[crystal flicker]

Deficit yes?

[gritty ridge]

If it is its low and biscuit should let me tank

[crystal flicker]

Your comp def pretty slow

[gritty ridge]

Im kinda banking on stunning or killing crown

[crystal flicker]

Can you kill Crown before Siren's stun gone?

[gritty ridge]

I can give it a shot, rookie so no stakes

I think im like 4rl

It was scary tho

[covert lintel]

[gritty ridge]

If I put rh p4 will she target crown first?

[crystal flicker]

why RH p4

[gritty ridge]

Rh killed helm, sbs, and shot cindy instead of killing the almost dead crown

[crystal flicker]

It's SR tageting as attacker

She'll target P5 first

[gritty ridge]

Ok, so just scary matchup

Results vary a bit, im assuming crits

[crystal flicker]

RH P2

Since Crown got stunned, Biscuit will burst, and Biscuit burst is Cover rebuild and buff only to Supporter

[vagrant hollow]

what pvp teams can i build with these? or should i not focus on pvp yet

[gritty ridge]

I thought rh b2 could get her killed from taunt

[crystal flicker]

Ah I forgot she'll get stunned lol

[scarlet adder]

not much to work with i think, treasure helm

[vagrant hollow]

still trying to get her second LB 😔

[scarlet adder]

Rumani is good burst gen

drake also good burst gen

[gritty ridge]

You have good pvp units, just missing most of the best

[scarlet adder]

maiden has a nuke? i think but not sure

nero is higher tier but don't have her so don't know details

[gritty ridge]

Nero is way too high invest to think abt rn

[scarlet adder]

rosanna is situational

[gritty ridge]

Youre kinda cooked for spa, could make a somewhat decent rookie

[scarlet adder]

blanc is good

siren is good

but i am not good enough to make teams from that but from what i experienced those nikkes were useful

[vagrant hollow]

i guess i can just make a rookie team for now

what would be a good team?

[gritty ridge]

How high would your campaign team cp be compared to opponents

They stopped attacking me after this happened

[scarlet adder]

probably try to build alice with good enough burst gen and not losing cp too much

[gritty ridge]

I kinda feel bad

[scarlet adder]

wth you spent gems for extra attacks :D?

[gritty ridge]

Yes

I have made bad decisions

[scarlet adder]

but to be fair he started it ;D imagine if it would be crazy whale and do it like 10 times 😄

[gritty ridge]

They stopped competing with me for fourth

Next season im gonna bully 3rd so I can let them have 4th again

[scarlet adder]

you really want that CA :D? it gives just frames?

[gritty ridge]

Yeah i need ca to feel like im still progressing

Cuz im at the biggest wall in campaign rn

[scarlet adder]

which chapter? i am 27

[gritty ridge]

32

Ill probably be here til 241

[scarlet adder]

so the one cindy should help me with

[gritty ridge]

Yeah

You need allot more than just cindy tho

[scarlet adder]

i will try to get Sanis in september

[gritty ridge]

You also wanna have ein, liter or rh, sanis would help

[scarlet adder]

unless they release something broken just before it...

[scarlet adder]

liter>siren?

[gritty ridge]

In this specific occurrence

[scarlet adder]

damn how much damage is needed

[gritty ridge]

[scarlet adder]

maybe make rapi:Rh b1

[crystal flicker]

I definitely see SG comp, but I'm afraid the CP will be too low
Upgrade Rosa's S2 to help fill your gen faster, and ideally Blanc should be there instead of Crown, but CP issue
3rd just auto

[gritty ridge]

Thx heinrich, good cook you are

Reenter Tia is cursed tho

[crystal flicker]

She'll die lol

[gritty ridge]

Hopefully

When the siren stun makes your opponent faster

[scarlet adder]

is raven good pvp? i see her too much for what her tier is ;D

[gritty ridge]

Not really

[crystal flicker]

You can swap Rumani and Pepper to get better T1, but slower T2

[gritty ridge]

What is that, 6rl?

[vagrant hollow]

uh i dont think ill focus on the other ones yet

probably just need a rookie team for now

[crystal flicker]

I mean it'll be 3RL if he upgrade Rosa S2 and 4RL if he doesn't

[gritty ridge]

From sac mihara im assuming?

[scarlet adder]

i got cindy and mana would you change those teams a bit?

T3 is just big CP(helm without treausre)

[crystal flicker]

Ye, Mihara dies will kill enemy slowly and add gen

[gritty ridge]

Replace rapi with alice and run Cindy team 2 is what I can think

If cp doesnt suffer

[scarlet adder]

hmmm isn't rapis burst skill better than alice?

and burst gen isn't that much better for alice i think

[gritty ridge]

Rapi is ultra mega feed and her burst is much worse in pvp than it is pve

Alice isnt much more gen but she also doesnt feed

[scarlet adder]

ahhh that's what you mean

[gritty ridge]

Its blanc team tho so idk how much it'll matter

[scarlet adder]

but soda does anything to cindy? seems like they don't work together 😄

[gritty ridge]

Why wouldnt b.soda and cindy work?

B.soda is just a hard hitting battery

[scarlet adder]

i am more thinking about extra burst time

but cindy burst should kill everything

[gritty ridge]

Youre not bursting more than once

Either you kill them or you die

Maybe 2 stall teams could burst twice

Im going to bed, enjoy beating up other players

[scarlet adder]

good night

[quick lake]

her ticks contribute to gen?

[crystal flicker]

No, I mean Rosa get gen from Mihara

[torn briar]

yo guys is there any spreadsheet or link for nikke pvp arena formations ?

[scarlet adder]

pinned there are some i guess

[tropic summit]

https://nikke-deck.web.app/ or check pins

[tropic summit]

[tropic summit]

eh nice cook

[torn briar]

is there any recommended one guys ? that updated

[tropic summit]

#pvp-arena message

[tropic summit]

less hardcore but still good
#pvp-arena message

[scarlet adder]

@tropic summit i got cindy and mana so at last some nuke

[tropic summit]

that's good... but you gonna need to build cindy

and she's a bit expensive to be strong

start getting her to 4/4/7

[scarlet adder]

i think i made her 7/4/7

but let me check

[tropic summit]

that's also ok

you gonna need OL aswell afterward

[scarlet adder]

so far i only have shoes :d

but just t9 for now

dont have resources to level it now

could maybe push her to 10 but dunno if it is a good idea for now

[tropic summit]

if your campaign team and kraken team are done

else no don't

[scarlet adder]

kraken team is sbs?

i don't even have her

[tropic summit]

[scarlet adder]

but i am still missing tone of equipment so kraken ...

[tropic summit]

indeed pve first

pvp will have to wait

[scarlet adder]

this will be pain... with rapipi i still miss one :/

this for helm is enough?

[tropic summit]

s1 lvl 10 rest can be w/e, get her treasured

obviously maxed s2 and s3 will come in handy but not your priority right now, you need batteries and s1 lvl 10 treasure stage 2 is all you need

[scarlet adder]

go purple doll with cindy? i would need to use box

i already R15

[shell hazel]

I think it's worth if you don't have anyone more pressing

but my cindy is SR-15 and you will want that eventually as well

[scarlet adder]

soo are skills enough to use cindy in my teams? i don't have any other nuke anyway (except for zero investment ein)

[shell hazel]

yeah but you should boost more

10/7/10 at least, I am aiming 10/10/10 in the end (I use mine a lot in campaign and fighting at silly deficits already)

if you're 7/4/7 then go like 8/5/8 => 9/6/9 => 10/7/10

[scarlet adder]

without elemental ol i dont think pushing her for campaign is the best idea

[shell hazel]

you will want her with elemental OL certainly

ele/atk and some ammo (I could do with another ammo roll)

I spent quite a lot of rocks on cindy she was my first pilgrim and MLB

[scarlet adder]

i pushed with this, soon naga will be replaced with helm and sometimes cindy will jump for alice iguess

[shell hazel]

I can't use Alice much, she does less than cindy and is harder to work with for me

I alt between cindy and RH in the alice slot basically

[scarlet adder]

she is kinda dissapointing but i got good rolls for her without rerolling so she could be worse 😄

[shell hazel]

yeah my rolls are OK she just doesn't do much for me 😄

and manual her is more annoying

[scarlet adder]

she should have similar damage to RH

[shell hazel]

my RH doesn't do much anymore either

hard mode scales her out a bit later on

I mainly use RH for her pierce and her b1 buff

Rapi is the main power house anyway

[scarlet adder]

ahhh if rapi could b1 without all those rules :/

[shell hazel]

siren does a lot

[scarlet adder]

her burst is kinda meh

[shell hazel]

dmg wise herself, rapi is better as b3

[scarlet adder]

just reload and boost herself if i remember correctly

[shell hazel]

she does a small atk buff for the team

it's not as good as RH one or liter I think, but her personal damage is good

my siren actually does the most damage on Kraken, even more than Rapi 😄

and my SBS

[scarlet adder]

ohh then probably some good ol rolls

[shell hazel]

she needs more work but as does everyone really

even my Rapi is missing some rolls I need to do just cost and she works OK

actually that is very true, my Rapi has 2 great pieces, but other 2 need full re-rolls

I need to roll the crit damage on the boots to ele

3 rocks a try, that can be costly

the chest/gloves both need full rolls to get a good line 3 and work it backwards

[scarlet adder]

i didn't reroll much yet 😄 just couple of times for rapi cause got something really bad first time

[torn briar]

thx

[shell hazel]

adding initial rolls to get some ol lines is best, then you can see what you need to fix

I do try and prioritise my rolls on my campaign dps a bit, so this includes siren, rapi and cindy for me

my RH rolls are OK but to fix them properly is expensive and I feel like RH usefulness only drops off from here

[tropic summit]

CP on T1 is kinda low though, make sure to raise it

also ensure you've the CS% provided in the screenshot

you can run T1 in union shooting range to check soda is linked (jumping jackal buff on her)

[torn briar]

what is CS%

[tropic summit]

charge speed, it's an overload line

you need 15% to hit those thresholds

(it's the icon with a flash)

[wintry viper]

hi all, I have the following SP arena teams. Are there any other Nikke's I need to invest in to improve my SP Arena teams? e.g. Rosanna, Soda, Moran

[scarlet adder]

so cindy not top dog

base on this my box really sucks 😄 i only have bay, rumani, biscuit and jackal 😄

and helm

[tropic summit]

she is, those are defense teams

[scarlet adder]

ahh ok

[tropic summit]

cindy is part of one of the core attack teams

and can be used on defense

[shell hazel]

you're not able to buld everyone in a hurry tbh

stuff like soda usually has to wait, and only becomes more relevant if you're reliably getting into CA

[tropic summit]

you're aiming to build these 2 attack teams down the road

they're the most brainless and generic purpose attack teams

scarlet then can be customized with siren or rosanna based on what you facing
as for the second team, it can be transformed into stall team as needed

there's a 3rd team you may use which is the indom variant, but the 2 above are generally good enough

[shell hazel]

has s.anis as well which many of us missing until the sep re-run

I feel like s.anis isn't necessarilly worth hyper-investing for current state of pvp though

[tropic summit]

it's because you grew up with trina and helmt available

that you can say that

[shell hazel]

well yes and no

trina and helmt arrived after I started but had no s.anis then either

[tropic summit]

as i said, you grew up with those

[shell hazel]

both were earlier this year, spent a while without em 😛

[tropic summit]

s.anis purpose was for the most part to deal with noah with backstabbing

[shell hazel]

do you think worth to invest into s.anis now?

I know she has some pve use as well

[tropic summit]

there's enough dumb teams already as is without her atm

ye pve she's core in elec team

[shell hazel]

I'm mostly going to try and save my pulls for september to see what I can get s.anis and xanne dupe wise

means skipping as much as I can until then

[scarlet adder]

3 missing pilgrims 💀 maybe one year later if i am lucky 😄

[tropic summit]

who knows they might get powercreeped by then

[shell hazel]

I need to decide who I want to focus on for sg comp b2 still

I don't have viper and her treasure ruins her b2

m.anchor is gap filling for now I plan to invest her more for pve

don't think Naga is necessarily great here

poli non treasure wants a backup b2 like viper, who I don't have

[tropic summit]

SG pressure with naga or poli
sustain with bayT
revive with xanne (down the road)
indom with blanc

you've plenty of variations

[shell hazel]

poli treasure only works for end of the line defence

xanne has a cost/dupe cost and can never really hit core 7 in the end

I think PoliT might still be a reasonable one to run with but just she can only fit one role/position

[tropic summit]

or take the cheap way out and just use naga

[wintry viper]

is it still worthwhile to invest in Moran or Rosanna for SP defense? what Nikkes are needed for a proper SG defense team?

[tropic summit]

already built, extra SG pressure, generic B2 buffs

[shell hazel]

side benefit of naga is that I do use her in pve and therefore building her isn't wasted

[tropic summit]

SG has no place in defense in SParena, at best in attack

as for rosanna she can be used in defense for sacc teams and attacker pressure

moran is also not preferable in defense unless you can run 2.5RL nero/moran

[shell hazel]

I'll have to sleep on it a bit not like I can't operate with naga or m.anchor for now

[wintry viper]

thanks

[hollow lagoon]

Leona

Oh wait PvP channel

[shell hazel]

yeah, I don't know if leona is the best now even for pve? I guess Tove, DoroS, BSoda, DrakeT type deal?

I mean I want to build Doro S anyway as she's universally good

[hollow lagoon]

If ur going Sdoro u can just grave tho

[shell hazel]

I would build Doros

[hollow lagoon]

But Leona at the moment does the job with pellet increase

[shell hazel]

my next pve investment is likely maid duo

my elysion tower is suffering a bit

even with rapi and helmt who are in my top 4 by power lol

I'd need to get dkw up a bit in terms of skills at least, and maid duo are both basically 10's end-game

[hollow lagoon]

This game likes to give me maid duo a lot, I only pulled mlb on banner but now I’m max core on them, my pulls r so Elysion skewed it’s not funny, like 5 of my 8 max cores are Elysion

[shell hazel]

I didn't pull for MLB on them either and they both are for me as well lol

yeah I seem to get them and HelmT a lot

[hollow lagoon]

I only have a modest 7/8/7 on them

[shell hazel]

I have no doll upgrades or OL

guess I need to do some of that

[hollow lagoon]

I feel like game skew the numbers so they are more common since they are the best supports after crown

[shell hazel]

rng gonna rng

still missing viper after thousands of pulls 😛

[hollow lagoon]

I could really use that last Cindy core right about now

Viper u can just redeem with mileage no?

[shell hazel]

nop

[hollow lagoon]

Oh u used to be able to

[shell hazel]

fav item box from season 1 only

we're onto 3 now, spare bodies from silver only as well ofc

I don't need her as such just a weird missing unit, decent b2 flex clip SG

[hollow lagoon]

I need 1 more viper to be able to treasure but it’s not like I’ll ever use her

[shell hazel]

also her treasure breaks her b2 if you go to last phase I think

makes it re-enter, kind of silly you can't ever fully treasure her 😄

[hollow lagoon]

She becomes like Tia/Balice

[shell hazel]

yes

[hollow lagoon]

Balice and Tia actually good tho kek

[shell hazel]

I'm getting nearer to being able to throw some resources at my core pve at least, beyond my usual campaign stuff

bit more to do in my pvp still

[hollow lagoon]

I threw some on Admi for science and regret it

[shell hazel]

I may pause to boost the maid duo and dkw a bit in any case

feel like they'll give me a good support base for my raids and elysion tower for not too much of a cost

[hollow lagoon]

Dkw feels a bit

Lacking

[shell hazel]

I'd just boost her to min invest prob

nothing crazy just get my cp up for tower

Zant did you ever play Stellar Blade on hard mode new game? 😄

[hollow lagoon]

Mine’s on 5/8/7 with a ammo roll on 1 piece of ol

[hollow lagoon]

I started it but I want to take a break, I did do boss challenge Raven on hard, I’m working on no potion/no beta skill/no gun but I end up drinking 1 potion

It is what it is

[shell hazel]

it's what I'm trying at the moment (hard mode new game). Not going for no potion etc

but it's tuned to be hard, do barely any damage, bosses take basically none lol

I'm happy if I can beat the game with this type of preset difficulty option

[hollow lagoon]

I’m a believer in upgrading so I won’t ever do the no gear/expspine bull shit

It’s against the very fiber of my being

[shell hazel]

I'm allowing myself to use any tools the game gives me

my challenge is in the hard mode itself and the fact you start off super weak and everything is super strong lol

[hollow lagoon]

Farm drone modules off chests while avoiding stuff and kill with gun

[shell hazel]

every enemy has to be taken seriously I'm liking the challenge, even the mobs 😄

[hollow lagoon]

I know a person in my discord server who pretends to be a man but is obviously a girl, plays on easy and use infinite bullet mod

[shell hazel]

nah I won't cheat myself like that

as long as it's doable it's a skill issue if I fail

[hollow lagoon]

Can’t be harder than the first time fighting the bosses anyway

[shell hazel]

for ref I did hard mode NG+ with skinsuit and no mods

on PS5 on original

but not hard mode from the start new game

[hollow lagoon]

That’s only hard for the first couple bosses tho

[shell hazel]

hard mode new game skin suit with no mods feels like it's a bit too much of a challenge to actually be fun 😄

hmm sort of, hard mode skin suit and no exospines/gears still has it's own challenge

[hollow lagoon]

It’s ok there’s mod that makes it harder, it disables ur blue and purple circles dodge and make u unable to modify your dodge/parry timing with skill tree/exospine

[shell hazel]

oh the timing on those is so weird sometimes

even with the circles, distances and things go off on them

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSMYdqJalC0

first boss a bit of footage didn't kill it, but you can see how little damage this thing takes lol

I'm past it (I'm at the big donut headed guy atm)

[hollow lagoon]

It’s whatever, with some bosses when they do it I’m like YESSPLEASSSSS

MOREEE

[shell hazel]

no I mean like they're miles away and you can get the circles

[hollow lagoon]

Yeah

[shell hazel]

or w/e, like doing those manually would be a pain

[hollow lagoon]

Normal, but why would u ever wanna be miles away,

I hate bosses that run from me

[shell hazel]

sometimes I need a bit of space 🙂

[hollow lagoon]

Like scarlet running from my banishing beak spam

[shell hazel]

I've not fought her yet

I decided I was having too much of an easy time on normal so I restarted with this

[hollow lagoon]

She’s like a low damage raven?

[shell hazel]

it will be a new fight for me when I get there

[hollow lagoon]

I think Mann>elder naytiba>providence>raven>scarlet

Is my subjective opinion

Because I only did elder naytiba a few times

[shell hazel]

yeah is subjective some bosses I just read easier

[vapid mica]

what does this mean? (on nikke deck)

[shell hazel]

CS% at 15% or higher

CS% mainly works on RL and SR units - but also doesn't necessarily increase your breakpoints for speed

[vapid mica]

so is it important for me to try to get 15cs%? currently im having like 5% cs on all my rl

[shell hazel]

let me give an example. standard stall type team with no CS% or quantums

HelmT at 15% you get to 2.5RL instead of 3RL

adding CS to Rapu + LapT as well does not get you above 2.5RL still

note how 2RL is still 78.87%

giving everyone quantums still not quicker

it's due to how shots are fired and how RL units need wind up/travel time

[vapid mica]

i see

[shell hazel]

so before you roll CS on everyone

you can check if upping CS to 15% actually helps

mock the teams out on the deck and see if checking/unchecking the CS icon actually speeds you up 🙂

there isn't usually harm in having 15% or more CS on every battery but it's hard to get that

and I think in some team comps it won't matter as much

I'd say that HelmT is the most flexible/useful in terms of CS impact

[vapid mica]

i can see that a def team of mine can reach 2.5 with cs but im not sure if i should invest into it

[shell hazel]

Noah and Centi certainly useful having 15% CS

Noise less so, you want her to have less CS than Noah ideally

quantums can fill the gaps a bit as well team depending

0% CS Noise but still 2.5RL with a few quantums

(quantum level 7 here)

[vapid mica]

ig i should go all legs day for centi?

[vapid mica]

yeah i have quantum 7

[shell hazel]

these cs rolls need improving a bit

I wouldn't re-roll the gear here just reset attributes for better values

unless you lock other lines though they'll also change

eventually I'd roll this for CS as well but frankly you can get 15% without doing that

my initial goal is 15% on batteries, I'd boost to closer to 20% later on personally

my Noah for example, imperfect rolls but has the needed CS

[vapid mica]

okay

[shell hazel]

CS rounding also works weirdly

the numbers do round up/down

#pvp-arena message

I posted how it works here, dupes are grouped and rounded as a group

Adjutant cube can also be used to push CS % about 2%

if your helm was say 13% you could use it to get to 15%

think the CS calc stuff on https://nikke.work/ may help you understand it

let's use your Centi as an example