#pvp-arena

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tropic summit
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biscuit indom won't get you to 2RL easily

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indom via jackal does

gritty ridge
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I thought you wanted slower indom?

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Or is that only against other indom

tropic summit
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whoever taught you to face indom with a slower indom is probably not me

gritty ridge
tropic summit
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it's tedious and unreliable

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as you've to also account reload and fire rate

gritty ridge
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When i see indom i try to nuke before they burst if possible

tropic summit
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either that or force them to misindom

shell hazel
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slower indom is only useful in CA if you get a lucky matchup

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if your indom is too slow in SPA you die

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your 4RL Indom will die to 2RL scar

gritty ridge
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Can helm b3 somewhat counter indom?

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If same speed

tropic summit
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if you snipe them before they indom sure

gritty ridge
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I was thinking lifesteal

shell hazel
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I had SBS indom vs SBS indom match where I lost because I was quicker and my indom expired first 😄

tropic summit
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you probably mean this ^

gritty ridge
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Speaking of, sbs still eat noah?

shell hazel
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that is where slower indom can work, otherwise no it's really a valid strat

gritty ridge
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Outheal their indom unit

tropic summit
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the SBS one is the last iirc

hollow lagoon
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@shell hazel lol made it but cant gurantee it

shell hazel
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I'm still just farming s7 kraken

hollow lagoon
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might need 3rd ele roll on rapi

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or another atk roll, or reroll couple piece on red hood, or level up gear

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does this mean i got back to pvp investment

shell hazel
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my rapi also needs more rolls just like anything need more rocks lol

gritty ridge
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This isnt even a good team, why does it keep working

tropic summit
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so they don't know how to properly adapt

gritty ridge
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This team gets abused so many different matchups

tropic summit
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give them time to learn the gimmick and you'll soon have fun getting gemmed

gritty ridge
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Literally biscuit+rumani could counter my burst

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Also i think funnily enough my team is countered by jackal even though its helm burst

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Because of the feed from crown/siren

hollow lagoon
gritty ridge
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No

hollow lagoon
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both team is a bit atrocious looking

gritty ridge
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Dont bully my team, ik its not ideal but it has decent cp

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His team tho is just campaign, I dont attack him

hollow lagoon
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nobody attack my campaign def team either

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the 400k cp difference make it not worth it

gritty ridge
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My highest cp team is in deficit against his lmao

tropic summit
# gritty ridge

for reference what's your CP with helmt naga siren rh jackal?

gritty ridge
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Pretty high, lemme check

tropic summit
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because it looks beatable in that case

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would be nice to know who's linked although i assume RH and siren?

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oh looks like you burst with cinderella on 3RL with that even

gritty ridge
tropic summit
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not running crown nukes your CP that hard uh

gritty ridge
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I think its actually helm and siren, id have to check

gritty ridge
tropic summit
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you only need 310k

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40k off atm

gritty ridge
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It won't get me 40k

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But it should put me around 290k-300k

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His team is super uninvested if I look at his sync to cp tho

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Is this too slow to run defense?

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Could do naga

tropic summit
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indom target in p2

gritty ridge
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Ah blanc doesnt link nvrmind

tropic summit
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2 attackers so little chance she does unless you stacking atk% OL

gritty ridge
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Looks like im stuck with biscuit if I want indom

jolly ember
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Is it worth investing on this team for pvp? All 3 of them with treasure

gritty ridge
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Its 3.5rl i think, so it could work in ca ig

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If you match up with a jackal team its over tho

lunar pawn
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how's bay treasure performing? anyone got her at p3?

jolly ember
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So what counters Jackal?

gritty ridge
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Big single target nukes

jolly ember
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So thats the Scarlet team?

gritty ridge
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scar is whole team nuke

jolly ember
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Well I am not building the shotgun team right now then, I had the resources and it sounded fun but I guess it’s not as strong as others

gritty ridge
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Helm is a big issue for jackal teams tho

glad meteor
jolly ember
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Oh yes? Helm is my second strongest unit thats good to know

glad meteor
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Running sgs into jackal speeds the team enemy team up. By using nikkes with low fire rate you can feed the enemy less burst gen

gritty ridge
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Scar jack is a common jackal team, it can typically be countered with bay/Noah helm

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Helm b3 is more of an attacker option than it is defender tho

jolly ember
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I can build a TBay with THelm team yea

gritty ridge
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Yeah that works

jolly ember
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I was doing okay with the teams someone suggested me days ago but I started loosing because I don’t have OL gear on everyone

gritty ridge
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This is a pretty good bay helm team, siren can be swapped out if needed

jolly ember
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So thats what I wanted to make sure, that my resources are not wasted on mediocre units

jolly ember
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Thanks

gritty ridge
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Cp does matter more than team comp in spa tho sadly

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You could have the greatest team in the world but if your cp gapped it doesn't matter

tropic summit
jolly ember
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Just like every pvp game then, it’s alright. I just need to spend a bit on good OL rolls and its all good for what my limit as a f2p is

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I just wanted to create a summer Dorothy team for pvp because I got really nice rolls for her

tropic summit
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she's bad though

jolly ember
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So far 3 attack 3 ele and 3 ammo

tropic summit
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normal SG so worse burst gen than clip SG, doesn't have good B3, is water code

keen vapor
gritty ridge
tropic summit
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he needs to know.. KEKL

keen vapor
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You need to be more careful TimiwGun

gritty ridge
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Rail since youre here, ive got a question for ya

jolly ember
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So better stick her on the bossing content only?

gritty ridge
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Could t.frima have any use in ca?

keen vapor
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Wth, no

gritty ridge
jolly ember
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Then where does the sg team I heard shines at? I guees is pretty much only for fun purposes

keen vapor
gritty ridge
jolly ember
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The one with treasure Tove, Bay and Drake

gritty ridge
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Not enough time for her to wake up in pvp

keen vapor
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Champion arena SG team uses different units from solo raid one @jolly ember

keen vapor
sleek imp
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Wheres my @placid bloom whyyyy

gritty ridge
placid bloom
sleek imp
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OMG

jolly ember
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Oh I see now, it makes sense thats why it looks so specific on the solo raid composition

sleek imp
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anyways- should I OL my pvp units like Jackal/Trinas TimiBlush

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Today is the day, got like 3 rocks DieselHappy

glad meteor
keen vapor
glad meteor
gritty ridge
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Yeah 36% max health buff for 4 sec

glad meteor
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Yeah. Not that good unfortunately. Worse noise with no dr

keen vapor
sleek imp
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Kuwon is gone SadgeSmoke

gritty ridge
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Milk is worse than frimasusge

sleek imp
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lil chime Susge

keen vapor
keen vapor
sleek imp
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you reminded me of my league duo, always trolling but higher rank madge

gritty ridge
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Nah milk is like 140 cm, too short to be useful

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Can't even see over the cover

sleek imp
placid bloom
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if you done with your PvE then you can OL your PvP pepehmmm

sleek imp
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as in having a full SR team...?

placid bloom
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done as in you are stuck and just waiting for sync

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because upgrading OL is too expensive to be worth

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you can reroll your lines but otherwise just use 1 rock every few days to OL someone

sleek imp
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okay sorry for bother, Kuwon sleep well

placid bloom
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Idk if you care about SR ranking

sleek imp
placid bloom
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if you can get 10% consistently then it's kinda w/e because it's too hard to get 3% NA

sleek imp
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true, I was joking anyways, last SR I hit 5%

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as long its not like my gluttony run w that 50% im happy

glad meteor
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I know it harder than global hmmz

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Global is usually free thankfully

placid bloom
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if you are not old player it is really hard hmmz

glad meteor
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Fair. Need like a year investment hmmz

placid bloom
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maybe after like a year you can try to contest 3% if you are dedicated to PvE and screw PvP investment

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as new player

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and it also needs luck on investing the right chars

glad meteor
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Yeah. New player just contribute to overall % hmmz

Unless whale and tryhard solo raid invest. Hard to catch up.

placid bloom
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like if you invested AsukaW just to not have wind SR appear forever, as new player that's a big % of your resources gone

glad meteor
dim escarp
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Started to felt like it was bad somehow, just making sure it's not a bad invest overall

crystal flicker
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30 ammo Scarlet isn't bad for PvP, though it adds more reload in PvE

keen vapor
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Trina gives reload speed though Kopium

tropic summit
glad meteor
tropic summit
glad meteor
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Funny seeing chime with her body in tact hmmz

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Usually it just emote head

tropic summit
tropic summit
glad meteor
dim escarp
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You release stress on me

midnight marsh
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I lost the finals Deadge

umbral crown
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There will be always a next tine to win

midnight marsh
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The two cn/kanji named players in the top 4 of our CA are also in my SP

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The one who beat you is giga sweaty

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we fought in CA S3 finals

glad meteor
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Bay player?

midnight marsh
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yeah basically every cn player is a bay player

glad meteor
midnight marsh
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Oh no no I'm talking about the CA bracket that Rosy, Rail, and I are in

glad meteor
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Oh nvm i read wronghmmz

umbral crown
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Your cook looked solid, thought you would win

midnight marsh
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Every season my oldschool Noise Noah Biscuit gets cooked by Noise Noah Siren and it makes me sad lol
Noah being faster than Noise doesn't work for the mirror because Siren gets taunted left and right and will go back on Noah KEKW

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I don't want to change over to the Siren version because it means Biscuit goes to Blanc Biscuit, and I don't have Emilia

umbral crown
midnight marsh
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yeah he is giga tryhard in sp and rookie too. 247 ready to spam. Well, he basically holds rank 1 permanently

glad meteor
umbral crown
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Guess i would need him with me both sp and rookie are ded

umbral crown
umbral belfry
tropic summit
tropic summit
umbral crown
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Its funny that in the top 8, some people did not even made it to top 64

tropic summit
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no more stunnerino regardless of taunt priority or positioning

midnight marsh
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Oh hmm what do you mean?

umbral crown
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Last time

tropic summit
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2RL with 3 RL units on +11%CS may be sufficient, else just get enough to hit the threshold above

keen vapor
midnight marsh
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haha wait I'm too dumb for this

umbral crown
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Saber about to get the stonks to win next CA

tropic summit
keen vapor
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Rosy madge your names makes less sense each time

tropic summit
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which is slightly before B2 is stunned by siren

keen vapor
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Yayoi-san was acceptable

keen vapor
umbral crown
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Siren stuns a 2.5

midnight marsh
# tropic summit essentially you're hitting 1.9RL

Ohhhh, right, so I've been running the traditional Japanese 2.5RL since forever: [Noise, Noah, Rumani, Biscuit, Cinderella]
(I obviously have everything at at least 17% cs with Noah slightly faster)

In S2, JP community concluded that Siren version was weaker in a vacuum, and it's proven true on JP server up until even this season. All of the JP winners still use the Rumani Biscuit version
But Global and CN players use the Siren version that was cooked back then: 2.5RL [Noise Noah Siren Centi Cinderella]

The biscuit version basically beats everything EXCEPT for the Siren version (and the Siren version is slightly weaker against most things but counters the Biscuit version). Siren will get taunted by Noah in the mirror because my Noise rockets won't get to hit their Siren on the second volley

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But since all the CN players on Global run the Siren version since around S4 or so, I just keep losing cindy mirror KEK, which always ends up being the deciding mirror match when I lose

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So yeah no, not 2RL. (both CN and JP refuse to run 2RL cindy and thinks it sucks in the context of CA)

umbral crown
quick lake
midnight marsh
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oh yeah last season we started seeing Jackal Cindy starting to pop up a bit in our CA bracket too. I know we've seen it in NA and JP here and there for a while
I know it's always been extraordinarily prevalent in Rookie actually for a very long time

umbral crown
midnight marsh
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I see nod

umbral crown
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But they could not make it to top 32

tropic summit
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not sure what you mean with 2.5 tho

umbral crown
tropic summit
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B1 is fine on 2RL?

umbral crown
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i mean in 2.5

tropic summit
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oh oke

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B1 on 2.5RL now i got it

umbral crown
midnight marsh
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Right yeah, JP and Global don't use fast Cindy, only 2.5RL Cindy

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Because Helm must be reserved for NeroMora or MoranBay

tropic summit
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and they run jackaless scarlet?

quick lake
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yeah, that's the common setups

umbral crown
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yeah, thats why

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no helm in nero moran means you need to re cook

tropic summit
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well RL are limited makes sense

quick lake
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Nero Moran Helm
2RL Scar Soda/Siren Trina
2.5RL Jackal Cindy
SG comp
Leftover Emilia/Mihara/Blanc shenanigans

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boring FrimaSleep

midnight marsh
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yeah Scarlet Soda triple rocket launcher naked is common
but some people do run Scarlet Soda Jackal

tropic summit
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extra ensurance in case of laplace/rosanna

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but at the end of the day it's still just a team ordering RNG showdown

midnight marsh
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yeah

quick lake
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Hopefully we see some changes soon. I think the Helm being able to lifesteal through invuln + SBS indom fix is huge

midnight marsh
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Whoa when was this change

quick lake
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Recent post-Bay pvp changes

tropic summit
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sbs 2.5RL indom incoming?

midnight marsh
quick lake
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Yeah, i think Cindy swap out with SBS tbh

tropic summit
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do we even know if it's a fix or unintended bug anyway

quick lake
midnight marsh
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That's huge EulaHyperstare

raven plover
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if the opponent has heal your sbs prolly still lose CrownHUH

quick lake
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We'll see Doro

umbral crown
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this season i made it to top 8 without cindy

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i could have done top 4 but cn cooked me

raven plover
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I managed to champion without biscuit and using emma TimiProud

umbral crown
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we the true champs

umbral crown
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in one of the cooks i was doing yesterday i could not find a place to biscuit

raven plover
umbral crown
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hobo is 601

quick lake
keen vapor
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Oh CrownHUH

keen vapor
umbral crown
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indeed

oblique ridge
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How's the pvp kitchen faring tonight? pepehmmm

keen vapor
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Crying the loss of Blood

umbral crown
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known as the Summer Elegg incident

raven plover
umbral crown
raven plover
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this is mine but 28% atk sbs

quick lake
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The worse counter is Noise + Noah. Too tanky

oblique ridge
raven plover
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he lost the gacha

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he tilted sadge

oblique ridge
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What was he trying for? 1 copy?

keen vapor
keen vapor
oblique ridge
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My BS Scarlet is good but scuffed. Scuffed in that she has two black line chspd... so it's difficult to reroll for higher atk or ele

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RIP my BS Scarlet, so I froze it with her current stats

oblique ridge
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Still pretty good, I get to wow people in coop sometimes with 65k power BS Scarlet KEKL

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38k gems and 12 tickets?

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That's only 138 pulls or so pepehmmm

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Unlucky if not even one copy though

keen vapor
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Guess I'll start coping with phase 9 as well

oblique ridge
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The totals I'm "suffering" with DoroAhuhe

keen vapor
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35% :deadge: absolute brick 🧱

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98 ele pretty good tho poggies

oblique ridge
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WormFrimaWiggle don't diss 35%, it's still higher than 33%

keen vapor
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Oh, my Cindy has 30 like percent sadge I'm worse brick

oblique ridge
keen vapor
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MORE AMMO

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My Cindy has to cope with a single ammo line

tropic summit
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the next roll was gonna be 5 eleggs surely

keen vapor
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Blood was on good PVP position even sadge

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He can't quit sadcatC

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Blood! My brick friend will get your place ShiftyWah

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Maybe if we get him an Elegg emote AdmiOno

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..... Huh EleggSmirk

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Nvm, that emote is good enough prayge

umbral crown
umbral crown
midnight marsh
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No friendos. We here are just poor EN fighting against the sea of asian tryhards
I just lurk here and comcord COPIUM And I lurk jp twitter (jp communicates mostly via twitter) and lurk KR's gaming forum

tropic summit
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wouldn't surprise me if he decided to get hooked on something else

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like love and deepspace

tropic summit
keen vapor
umbral crown
tropic summit
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protect at all costs susge

tropic summit
umbral crown
tropic summit
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although i bet he's playing something else aside that... i hope NovelHmm

umbral crown
dim escarp
tropic summit
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@keen vapor

keen vapor
dim escarp
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we do

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PLAY HORSE

gritty ridge
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I spread my resources too thin I think

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I could put Pascal in for 3rl but then theres no chance of decent cp

dim escarp
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that's sick

gritty ridge
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This is all units I have homeslice

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I run the first 2 rn, im trying to figure out what to do for 3rd

gritty ridge
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Yeah the trina with cindy probably gives that away

crystal flicker
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I can't understand Cindy Jackal

dim escarp
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post again

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please

gritty ridge
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Jackal is there for noise to get feed

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Thats basically it

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Cuz cindy is so damn slow

crystal flicker
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This is SP?

gritty ridge
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Yeah

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I cant take a battery away from cindy, but I can take centi from helm and replace with a sg or something

tropic summit
gritty ridge
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Im doing cp pad rn but its only 50k higher than non cp pad

tropic summit
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matter of time then, keep investing thumbsup

gritty ridge
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Cindy is so expensive without helm in her team, I need scarletprayge

foggy urchin
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As a global player that has scarlet, i wish you a scarlet.
@gritty ridge

gritty ridge
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Thank youNoahCry

crystal flicker
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You're a whale tho

gritty ridge
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Me?

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Im only baby whale

gritty ridge
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I basically just buy mission passes and the occasional gacha skin now

loud ferry
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you know how you said I'd need Treasure Helm?

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ran into a bit of a problem. im disconnected from the server everytime I try to fight

keen vapor
crystal flicker
gritty ridge
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Nah i skipped scar skin(probably why I havent pulled her) and im skipping 2b gacha

crystal flicker
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Try to lose CA

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I got Scarlet after losing my CA lmao

gritty ridge
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Well i dont think im gonna win so...

loud ferry
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only Gacha skin I have is scarlet, and the only reason I have it is because I play Stellar Blade

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im losing my mind. I don't think ill be able to get treasure helm

crystal flicker
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Why not

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Idk if WARP will help unstable connection

loud ferry
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WARP?

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Also my connection shouldn't be unstable. my wifi is fine, and I am connected via lan cable

crystal flicker
loud ferry
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Reminds me of being told to download more Ram

crystal flicker
loud ferry
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okay for some reason I keep re-downloading a 29.33mb update everytime I start

crystal flicker
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Try repair

loud ferry
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I did. Repair found nothing

crystal flicker
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Clear cache

loud ferry
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where would I d othat?

umbral crown
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i skipped lot of coops because of that

crystal flicker
loud ferry
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Craziest part is everything else in Nikke is working. I just can't do Helm's Treasure.

umbral crown
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its a sigm

loud ferry
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or try my phone

quartz rover
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would this work

loud ferry
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I've done it. My helm now has her tressure, and at Phase 2

crystal flicker
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Though using Siren P1 w/o Jackal is bad practice

quartz rover
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she's p1 cause I swapped crown to p5

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didnt want 5 to just get deleted by shotguns

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there is no reason I should be beating these people KEKL

loud ferry
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I remember when I was in Challeneger

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then I dropped Nikke, came back and everyone in my bracket was high level

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I need to level up biscuit and add her to one of my defense teams

sonic sonnet
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How do I go about countering this team with about 100k deficit?

gritty ridge
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Whats ur roster

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Also do you know if its noise or Noah that taunts

quick lake
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Damn, full team SR15 PepeTF

quick lake
gritty ridge
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Scar might feed them to 2rl depending on cube/cs

raven plover
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that team doesnt win? KEKWut

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swap rapu to thelm?

gritty ridge
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Depending on who taunts i was thinking maybe stun Noah catch scar with noah

umbral crown
raven plover
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normal

umbral crown
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of course

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who would not have a full team with SR15 these days

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all my CA units have max doll

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and today i made rumani sr10 from SR0 with 50 blues, 10 purples and 10 golds

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this weekend or before SR ends she will be SR15

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centi got her doll like 2 days ago

covert lintel
umbral crown
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pull issues?

raven plover
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well you always low on gems pain

umbral crown
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i got doro in the first 10

umbral crown
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rakuen gems in sp?

covert lintel
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I pulled 60draw sadge

covert lintel
umbral crown
fallow tendon
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Anyone know why when i fight this enemy team, my Mana doesn't activate her revive skill? So battle starts and my Noah dies first and normally Mana will instantly revive Noah but in this fight she will not revive anyone and is not being stunned or killed

scarlet adder
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i cooked this. What do you think? both teams 3RL. Question is how fast siren stuns if siren stuns fast i can go with biscuit team.But hmmmm blanc will indo sbs when it stunned probably so i need nuke which i don't really have except for ein :/

scarlet adder
quick lake
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Yeah me thinks Rosanna too

scarlet adder
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i could put team without risk of stunning anyone

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or biscuit team with siren if siren can stop sbs in time but i feel like blanc would also stop me from doing anything

jolly ember
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Out of these 3 teams which one should I choose for the single arena mode? Or I can mix some units into a single better team

fallow tendon
jolly ember
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Great, thats the cheesiest one, isnt it? I need to invest more into that Scarlet then.
Thanks

quick lake
fallow tendon
jolly ember
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But I have to say, the sg team with only 340k combat power does a great job

shell hazel
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oh no @tropic summit I've linked Noise but now LapT isn't linked whyyy

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if I bump up LapT atk % then I'll unlink Noise pepehmmm

oblique ridge
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DoroAhuhe Is that OL stats hell I’m hearing?

shell hazel
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it is lol

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I need both LapT and Noise to have more final atk than Cindy

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so I need 25.5% atk on Noise and 9.35% atk on LapT it looks like and then it's barely above the threshold

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I'll probably try and add atk % to this on LapT feels like it's possible without removing some of my CS/padded lines

oblique ridge
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How is that possible

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Oh, 45% atk

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I was going, Defender got more Atk than Laplace?

shell hazel
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yeah it's combo of cindy high atk and lapt none 🙂

oblique ridge
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How about cores?

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Maybe you can get lucky with wishlist pulls if LapT isn’t MCB already. Assuming you have standard pulls saved

shell hazel
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noise is a preferable link over lapt though I feel here, lapt could die to sg def and then cindy is linked

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LapT is 2* so could get lucky on cores later, but don't have many pulls on ordinary atm

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I tend to save them and spend when I have enough to make it worth it + new ordinary units in wishlist

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I can still + levels on OL gear as well but will need atk rolls to control it still

coarse lake
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you basically always want noise to have high atk

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lapt a few atk lines is a given

shell hazel
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working on it just ran out of rocks 😦

coarse lake
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my noise autos do quite respectable dmg

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lapt who?

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I think my noise is 0 ele as well, maybe 1, don't remember

shell hazel
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black line ele changed my plans and cost me some extra rocks lol

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was rolling atk onto the gloves just to get over the cindy threshold but I'll lose the ele there doing it

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helm will need more rolls later as it's just atk but I can't afford to mess with it for now

coarse lake
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helm is someone you wanna keep as low atk as possible

shell hazel
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I mean the helm in the gear

coarse lake
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for both pve and pvp

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yeah for helm I would just temp lock line 1 then fish for another non-harmful line

shell hazel
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I was probably just going to full roll it to fish for atk on line 2 or 3 (or at least a good line 3)

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but I need the atk stable for the next CA lock in

coarse lake
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if 2 liner is ok, just temp lock

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will be cheaper than getting the atk line again

crystal flicker
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That's a painful lock

coarse lake
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oh she does have an ele line

shell hazel
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yeah I don't mind min/maxing a bit where it makes sense

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I'd probably just keep the 2 liner with the black line ele + CS

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and the atk/cs boots are fine as well for now

tardy bone
#

Hello I need Help! I need to build a better pvp teams this is what I don’t own, and my current pvp teams.

I can build a lot of units since I have saved resources.

quick lake
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As mentioned, can refer to pins and the recs i gave thumbsup

tardy bone
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Doro thank youuu

wind kelp
#

What is going on here, 3 nikke can't take one down? Just kept taking 1 damage, then healing back up, until i lost due to timer(which is also bull).

shell hazel
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moran pepehmmm

wind kelp
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"They're immortal, can't defeat that team", got it. Very helpful.

tropic summit
# sonic sonnet How do I go about countering this team with about 100k deficit?

that team can potentially be 3RL as long as you run non feeding teams

-weak to 2RL rosanna
-weak to 2RL helmT stall

since you're going to be in deficit, try to fight it with less than 20% at the very least

you can try

(1) sustain snipe
noah biscuit helmt rh laplace
(if quantum lvl 3, quantum on all beside helmt)

(2) rosanna snipe (riskier due to enemy scarlet s2)
noah biscuit helmt rosanna centi

(3) indom (even more risky because blanc needs to survive enemy scarlet s2)
sbs helmt blanc centi jackal (helmt vigor, blanc temperance)

(4) siren stun (somewat risky but can be mitigated if you can run siren linked)
noah biscuit helmt siren jackal

wind kelp
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....yeah, thanks.

shell hazel
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take it easy just joking, Moran is a unit

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have you tried double buff scar?

wind kelp
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Oh really, didn't know she's a unit.

tropic summit
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else you're going to need single target DPS

wind kelp
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So, not happening.

shell hazel
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you're b1 with siren

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siren isn't adding much dmg, rh b1 is much better

wind kelp
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Let me just...oh right...don't have RH, STILL.

tropic summit
#

scarlet trina liter noir jackal may also still be lethal

shell hazel
tropic summit
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you could give it a try

wind kelp
shell hazel
#

when?

wind kelp
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Nevermind.

quick lake
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Hard for us to to rmb everyone that we've cooked for sadge

shell hazel
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I don't even remember who you are let alone that you don't have RH lol

wind kelp
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How about they fix this kind of cheats instead.

shell hazel
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Rail has cooked so many meals he could start a restaurant chain

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did you see my post earlier about the atk on LapT? absolute shenanigans, I need to boost them both above Cindy whyyy

tropic summit
shell hazel
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I'm OK with Helm I will probably keep with stall comp anyway

tropic summit
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else it starts giving you those headaches

shell hazel
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tbh LapT warrants some, she has none atm 😄

tropic summit
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ironically i think my liter steals lap+ link

shell hazel
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I link noise + cindy atm, it's not as bad I think

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noise is a better link than LapT, but more work to do

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chances are p1 is hit + noise taunts, so her being linked is the most important one there

tropic summit
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if it's the team we were talking about yesterday, then yes you want noise linked for maximun profit

shell hazel
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yeah it is, I can get both linked above Cindy just need one more atk roll on both, though lapT needs a 10% ish

tropic summit
shell hazel
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buff Liter 😄

tropic summit
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this can actually be handy to run her p1 as B1 immune to siren if i cannot run the CS% comp

shell hazel
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man that is some work

tropic summit
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will keep it around i guess NovelHmm

shell hazel
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yeah for sure, my scar will be vulnerable to siren next CA I think

tropic summit
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you've ammo on her?

shell hazel
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I'm planning to run with scar/trina/rh next one and no jackal as she's on the other team

tropic summit
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oh alright

shell hazel
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so I can't do p1 jackal shenanigans

tropic summit
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p1 rapunzel exists if you wanna ballsy it

shell hazel
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yeah I do, I need to roll off probably, it's 🧱 city in scarlet OL

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rapu on my stall 😦

tropic summit
#

oh nero moran sheningans

shell hazel
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yeah

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my helm CS is 16% with adjutant atm, I was going to try to roll the last CS for 4th but but I pivoted to noise then ran out of rocks

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it should be OK for now but I want to get nearer 20% for stall for next CA if I can

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as in one after the next

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much left to do still pepehmmm

quick lake
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Always not enough rocks sadge

shell hazel
crystal flicker
shell hazel
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oh mine hasn't arrived yet

wind kelp
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Oh right, sorry folks, only now noticed ALL the Enriched folks, gets confusing to know last talked to, guess it was Enriched X i talked to about RH, or two of them :p

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Anyway, i might be miffed about the whole moran "cheat"/lose 3v1 due to time malarky, but atleast the rumani boot OL line starts at a good position? CrownHUH

crystal flicker
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CS good yes

shell hazel
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rumani doesn't need that much beyond CS honestly

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don't know if I'd mald changing charge damage off line 1 to something better before reset attributes

crystal flicker
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I know he would win again lol

wind kelp
shell hazel
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it's 3 rocks per try to change it and rumani is never going to rock the world with her damage

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I'd maybe just keep the charge damage line 1

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reset attributes 1 rock per go and you can improve on the ele or the cs

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think charge damage can range higher as well for cp pad

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if siren stun comes in at 196F how long does it last? I wonder if it will run out in time for Blanc to B2 at 3.5RL

shell hazel
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with LapT on cindy comp they're using DrakeT as the flex on stall which adds dps/feed

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xmaiden on blanc team means 3 defenders + blanc and siren immune

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there are trade offs here, you can swap the flex to say Mana on stall if she's built but you need CS on rapu then to maintain 2.5RL

crystal flicker
shell hazel
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no but I know what teams they ran

raven plover
crystal flicker
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It's your alt poggies

shell hazel
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it's not lol (nice if it was) 😄

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side question, did their stall face any other stalls in the last few rounds? if so how did the DrakeT one do?

crystal flicker
# shell hazel there are trade offs here, you can swap the flex to say Mana on stall if she's b...

T1 is a waste, he put nonsense to that comp and got lucky only 1 time against proper stall. He def putting those RLs to reach 2.5, not because he really want to
T2 also got lucky with placement where most of the time he go against SG comp, this comp would lose to 2RL or proper stall
T3 Just average Scarlet RH 2RL
T4 DrakeT on stall give enemies' unnecessary feeds, Nero Moran themself already give Jackal 21% feeds, with DrakeT it will be up to 35.5% feeds, not to mention DrakeT will die against Scarlet counter
T5 is decent SG, 2 Iron + Rosa with the hope to kill Scarlet after Rosa dispel Trina and Link

shell hazel
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you think t1 is bad? I think linked noise with jackal/lapT and cindy here is pretty strong against most things

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for t2 I think most basic sbs indom loses to stall anyway, need RH buff indom sbs to have a chance to cut through the stall properly

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but can't use RH with trina if you do that, and the stall comp turns into like 3.5RL or 4RL or so when you add RH with Blanc

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t3 as you say fairly standard and you can flex RH out if you can keep 2RL

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t4 whilst drakeT does add feed, as you mentioned nero/moran do as well, I guess it's already high feed, your opponent needs to have jackal for this to matter (1/5 chance)

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t5 fairly standard sg like you say less drakeT due to the stall comp

crystal flicker
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You can see this the match up IF I DIDN'T LOST TO CRIT RNG

shell hazel
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ah you faced them in the finals?

crystal flicker
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No, I lost at 16 against RNG that somehow only target my key Nikke smh

shell hazel
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the cindy comp t1 2.5RL with CS on 2 of the 3 RL

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don't even need quantums for it 🙂

crystal flicker
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It's free slot yeh

shell hazel
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rng arena at it's finest I suppose 😄

wind kelp
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When will the reshuffly of arenas happen btw? Just curious how much effort i should put towards beating this one person 😄

shell hazel
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my experience so far is you don't get massivley reshuffled necessarily

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if anything I've seen new people come into my bracket as opposed to old people leaving it from my usual top challenger spots

wind kelp
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Yeah same, only one or two peeps left my bracket and went elsewhere, ofcourse the one person who i knew 😄 Ah well, i'll just upgrade murani, helm, and trinny more, not a wasted resource anyway with the tower, hard chapters, and raids needing 25.

crystal flicker
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iirc reshuffle next season

unique mountain
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@covert lintel can you send nozomu's teams , thx

wanton island
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anyone experiment with new doro for pvp?

crystal flicker
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As SG she just bad, maybe you can pair with Blanc, but that's still a No against Biscuit + Defender

quick lake
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Mid doro Doro

wanton island
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she a mid?

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i thought she was best water damage

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...but pvp i get it. had low expectations

wild patio
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50k power boost is crazy hmmz

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wait thats 40k

tropic summit
# wanton island anyone experiment with new doro for pvp?

burst gen is poor due to not being clip SG, her kit needs time to get going and is anyway single target, she's water code while most meta units are electric... she can be filler SG unit for SG team if you don't have all the usual SG units

turbid oyster
#

is this still the best pvp team ?

tropic summit
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harder to beat compared to others? Yes, CS%, stun gimmics and bursting on 2RL or 2.5RL will generally do better

raven plover
hexed cedar
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hi guys, i was looking at the pin, so for the general team if i do not have sparkling anis or emila, who do i replace them with?

tropic summit
swift mango
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I'm good now. Found a better union (requirements wise) so I could be chilling and less stressful now.

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If they find I'm not good enough anymore. I know there are many day one clear union around now.

tropic summit
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enjoy the game first and foremost, stress free prayge

hexed cedar
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when you are talking about box, do you meant this?

tropic summit
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hmm i meant the list of your nikke ordered by strength

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it allows me to use your best cards instead of guessing

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s.anis is a double edged sword anything in SP arena

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as for emilia it would've been easier if you her but it's not gonna prevent you from having chances

tropic summit
#

4 at a time btw

hexed cedar
tropic summit
hexed cedar
hexed cedar
covert lintel
tropic summit
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the exception maybe is the 2.5RL moran biscuit s.anis option, although she can still be 1 tapped without revive

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as for emilia, she can be timed with noah or deleted by rosanna, so she's best used as battery on def

hexed cedar
tropic summit
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keep in mind def is a lost battle, your objective is just to make it hard for opponent to somehow understand what to use agaisnt it

tropic summit
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particularly in stall oriented teams

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the most known being the usual nero moran helmt rapunzel laplaceT

hexed cedar
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huh, what the heck have i been doing all this time, at least she is relatively build, so i guess i can consider changing my pvp teams

tropic summit
#

HMM

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looking at ur box there's a few things you could run

covert lintel
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Nah, rapun never be used in SP anymoresusge

covert lintel
swift mango
tropic summit
#

as you can see in SS above, core pvp units are on bottom in terms of invest

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@hexed cedar

trina rumani jackal play a vital part for battery purposes
biscuit is an utility that can add invulnerability to defenders
noah is the only 4s whole team invulnerable B2
centi is another battery but seems a tad better invested

i'd say start fixing those then ping this chat again with your updated box, you can then aim for several options

#SP ARENA#

(1) Team 1
ideally you'll want siren with more atk% total than laplace (you can test by running union shooting range and checking the buff "jumping jackal" activating on siren)

the team would be:
siren scarlet trina laplace jackal

(2) Team 2

getting noah to be taunt priority when run with noise will prevent your noah to be countered easily by siren, your noise also happens to be quite uninvested

the team would be
noise noah cinderella helmt centi

noah needs to have 4%ish more CS% than noise to achieve the taunt priority above

(3) Team 3

this is gonna be likely your wildcard, the easist you could achieve is a 3RL indom SBS, won't need much fixing
blanc sbs biscuit drakeT rumani

swift mango
swift mango
hexed cedar
tropic summit
#

rumani is clip RL which makes her a very strong battery
add to the fact her B1 gives her a huge HP buff, which makes her able to even facetank scarlet

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can work also as a taunter of sort depending on needs

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the other perk is being a defender which allows her to work with biscuit invulnerability

tropic summit
covert lintel
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Japan server has finally been invaded by a cheaterShiftyDerp

hexed cedar
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and thank you

tropic summit
swift mango
# unique mountain

Okay I think I can't access the clean up role comment. So I would assume I already got unchecked from it.

unique mountain
#

Ye

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No

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I got rid of that whole channel

swift mango
unique mountain
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Wasn't used Doro

swift mango
keen vapor
keen vapor
tropic summit
#

he has no mercy

swift mango
keen vapor
keen vapor
tropic summit
swift mango
tropic summit
keen vapor
swift mango
tropic summit
#

i guess my elec team and wind team can get a "barely pass" mark though KEKW

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oh wait there's also alice and RRH for fire team NovelHmm

covert lintel
#

Real casual is meTimiProud

tropic summit
#

damn i actually have something for pve built poggies

swift mango
tropic summit
#

in between average and lower average probably

swift mango
tropic summit
#

when they gave me an excel to type down all the core pve units and the atk/ele atk stats i realized i was screwed AndersonLaugh

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but hey it worked as motivation to fix a few units KEKL

tropic summit
keen vapor
#

4 ele 4 attack? I could never

quick lake
tropic summit
swift mango
quick lake
swift mango
# tropic summit eh i wonder

Their top 8 has requirements way above your synch level.

pepehmmm

I mean, 4 in Global and 4 in SEA, all in top 20 of union raid on both server.

tropic summit
#

i'm a 416 synch pleb hmmz

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although with boxes i could push above 441 soon

keen vapor
tropic summit
#

just release those new chapters whyyy

keen vapor
covert lintel
swift mango
quick lake
unique mountain
covert lintel
tropic summit
keen vapor
quick lake
#

Devs should have awarded gems for each top 64 ranked union member. Promote pvp unions ChimeKisama

swift mango
tropic summit
#

villain arc for blood has started pepehmmm 🍿

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he's no longer the same man

swift mango
tropic summit
swift mango
covert lintel
keen vapor
#

Wonder what will be next Collab

quick lake
#

That would be cool. But pvp in nikke is an afterthought (look what they did to Bay) NoahCry

keen vapor
#

Could be anything

quick lake
swift mango
keen vapor
tropic summit
keen vapor
#

Or Sword Art Online TimiProud

tropic summit
#

just re:run rezero

quick lake
#

SAO would be nice. But such an old IP sadge

tropic summit
covert lintel
tropic summit
#

sinnon and leafa?

quick lake
keen vapor
swift mango
eager mountain
keen vapor
tropic summit
#

@quick lake how about both

eager mountain
#

I care about collab bgm more so then collab itself

keen vapor
eager mountain
#

Most of my home screen bgm are collab ones

eager mountain
tropic summit
quick lake
#

Konosuba collab TimiProud

tropic summit
#

at least leafa and sinnon are canonically open pain

quick lake
#

Maybe BA collab, or Azur Lane KEKW

eager mountain
#

susge married doesn’t stop ppl waifuing

tropic summit
tropic summit
quick lake
#

suguha best girl

tropic summit
tropic summit
keen vapor
tropic summit
quick lake
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Most relevant would be GFL2 collab tbh. Klukai would be nice KEKW

tropic summit
#

i see where this is going AndersonLaugh

quick lake
#

Klukai + Groza banners CrownHUH

covert lintel
#

How about kaiju#8?pepehmmm

eager mountain
quick lake
tropic summit
covert lintel
tropic summit
sleek imp
quick lake
#

Rental girlfriend KEKWut

tropic summit
sleek imp
#

Raoltracer and rheax online poggies

tropic summit
quick lake
sleek imp
eager mountain
tropic summit
sleek imp
#

but anyways, at first arrival, I thought you two were the same guy KEKL

tropic summit
primal charm
#

Nikke collab kiss x sis hear me out

quick lake
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Idk, all IPs feel kinda weird in nikke’s setting

keen vapor
#

Nikke collab with Panty & Stocking next year

sleek imp
sleek imp
tropic summit
tropic summit
keen vapor
glad meteor
covert lintel
sleek imp
#

That man must be on a wheelchair rn hmmz

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Old as me KEKL

keen vapor
tropic summit
#

@sleek imp hmmz

i saw that.

keen vapor
#

I'm the only one who picks collabs that make sense NoahCat

covert lintel
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Tsukimichi would be good toohmmz

tropic summit
#

Umamusume collab, 10/10 would make sense

#

minigame: run away from mother whale

covert lintel
#

WthKEKW

glad meteor
quick lake
glad meteor
sleek imp
tropic summit
#

kiss x sis was built different

glad meteor
tropic summit
sleek imp
tropic summit
#

pg13 family friendly game never fails to deliver pepehmmm 🍿

glad meteor
#

AngyRapi my old rapi is gone whyyy

glad meteor
#

Rhias treatment

tropic summit
#

it starts making sense once your beloved shikikan is flirting with another 80 girls

sleek imp
quick lake
#

DxD collab

quick lake
#

So many lewd IPs TimiProud

tropic summit
#

@keen vapor how about this collab

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since we're on the topic AndersonLaugh

quick lake
tropic summit
#

the cursed one

placid bloom
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I still didn't watch that anime pepehmmm

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is it good

quick lake
#

Queen Bee studio collab KEKL se-gs update finally

tropic summit
#

in a sense you should watch it? in a sense you shouldn't

tropic summit
#

for the most part it's a daily life + romcom

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with some drama per arc

quick lake
#

~~visual novel ~~ eroge in anime form

tropic summit
#

but the last arc hits differently for reasons KEKW

primal charm
primal charm
#

Even if we fail it will become a meme great

tropic summit
#

based on the reactions i can see many veterans hmmz

placid bloom
#

I didn't know i-word is banned TimiProud

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now I know

eager mountain
placid bloom
#

inches

unique mountain
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Ingest

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In jest

quick lake
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wincest

placid bloom
#

intrest

unique mountain
#

Failed wordle

placid bloom
keen vapor
tropic summit
placid bloom
#

I fail spelling

tropic summit
covert lintel
keen vapor
tropic summit
glad meteor
tropic summit
#

@eager mountain what collab do you want with nikke

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Since Liberalio isn’t coming for at least another two years

keen vapor
#

Leviathan when

quick lake
#

Levi and ziz banner soon plz

keen vapor
#

Levi for new year prayge

tropic summit
keen vapor
#

AI susge

tropic summit
glad meteor
tropic summit
glad meteor
#

Was not familia friendly

keen vapor
glad meteor
tropic summit
keen vapor
covert lintel
tropic summit
#

oh think i know which one you meant

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adding spoiler just in case

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we tend to forget nikke is kinda grim KEKW

quick lake
#

too bad campaign stories kinda slow sadge

tropic summit
placid bloom
glad meteor
umbral belfry
glad meteor
#

susge You never saw anything

tropic summit
scarlet adder
#

both 3RL

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will blanc indo kill me here?

tropic summit
scarlet adder
#

does siren stun sbs before burst?

tropic summit
#

this matchup is won by forcing misindom or preventing them from bursting

scarlet adder
#

with rh kinda impossible

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unless i kill them really fast

tropic summit
#

rosanna or scarlet here would make things easier

scarlet adder
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i have rosanna but no scarlet

tropic summit
#

alternatively 2RL generic nuker

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pmaid/ein/reit

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you could also i suppose go for slower indom sbs

scarlet adder
#

so is siren stun predictable? can i guess when that happens?

tropic summit
#

at 2RL B2

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thing is you stun p1 they still indom, you need to kill p1 and stun blanc it's tedious

scarlet adder
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how rosanna helps here btw.?

tropic summit
#

very high chance of misindom and it helps you 1 tap pre enemy burst

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your rosanna although looks barely invested anyway

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so that card is out of the windows

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slow indom would kill your CP

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you don't have much to go with here

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go with this and pray for the best

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assuming you're not in deficit anyway

scarlet adder
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ehh helm still not tresaured 😄 it is just rookie so i can pick someone else

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but i was beating this guy before but i guess he made it harder now

bold mirage
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Hey @tropic summit I just got treasure helm. Is she worth slotting in ?

tropic summit
bold mirage
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Ooh that's what you're talking about lol

tropic summit
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s1 lvl 10 phase 2 minimun

bold mirage
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Yes I have that

tropic summit
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ye then she's good to go

bold mirage
#

Should she be placed team 3?

tropic summit
bold mirage
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Yesm!

tropic summit
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hmm could use her to start fixing T1

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or just make T2 natural 3RL instead

scarlet adder
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this is someone i would love to beat. I tried once but completly misunderstood how bay works. but that T1 has low cp so maybe it can be crushed with that?

tropic summit
bold mirage
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Thank you kindly! My t2 has been my most consistent AliceLove

covert lintel
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P2 is enough right?pepehmmm

scarlet adder
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i know this has beaten t2

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but this lost to t1 cause i tought bay just protects from nukes but didn't know about need of burst for that

tropic summit
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you really need helm treasured asap

scarlet adder
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yeah now i know 😄

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i would switch her for anything usefull since he doesn't do anything

scarlet adder
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probably something with bigger cp

tropic summit
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T1 is fine what about T2

scarlet adder
tropic summit
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oh looks good

scarlet adder
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so this beats him?

tropic summit
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T2 is gonna be close because you're gonna have to dig all the way to RH

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if you kill RH then they cannot burst anymore

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if anything it's worth a shot, record it if you want to

scarlet adder
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yeah i will just do it at the end of the day so he can't retaliate

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i am comfortable top6 and just wanna tackle top 2 for fun

tropic summit
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ye i think these 2 teams have a chance

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what you looking at is:

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T1

-both teams burst on 2RL (you're promoted to 2RL via jackal regardless)
-bay absorbs scarlet nuke
-you'll hit jackal hard with alice, especially once she starts bursting, which hits jackal helmt and scarlet for shared damage
-should win the trade

T2

-you've crown going invulnerable while they lose noise and possibly rouge
-if RH does get to burst, she does b1 b2 and b3 on her own, she should die before she can do much damage
-you can then finish them off

umbral belfry
covert lintel
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I'll change to tove thenhmmz

gritty ridge
#

Is there any specific counter to stun?

placid bloom
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depends who is the stun

gritty ridge
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I just beat a priv b3 team which was weird

keen vapor
placid bloom
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Priv stun is usually slow and low dps

umbral belfry
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no echo it's poopy reeYoha

gritty ridge
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I was mainly thinking soda or siren tho

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Siren i usually just taunt away