pvp-arena

[crystal flicker]

I lost both my cheer due to rng smh

It's ChampiOver

[shell hazel]

@lusty gull you running mihara shenanigans for one of your teams? mine failed but I couldn't see the replay 😦

[crystal flicker]

IF I win last match, I would make it to the final against whoever that is

[small hatch]

Please elaborate where I'm wrong with my prediction and why.

[spiral onyx]

Normally you'd need 8 RLs to achieve 100%. Each RL hits 2 targets + 2 barriers so its 32 targets. Normally this would be 99%.
With 6 rockets fired, if Polis shield counts as a target, instead of hitting 4 you hit 5, so 30 targets, which would translate to 92%. Which more or less matches with what we see in the visual gauge.

[quick lake]

U win 3/4/5 hmmm. Interesting teams 1 & 5

[spiral onyx]

Its actually less than 92% cause 2 of the rockets is from Noise whose burst gen is less than Rumani and Centi's whose 2nd rockets havent been fired yet

probably around 80%, which matches the visual gauge

[quick lake]

replay works now!

[crystal flicker]

R1 Scarlet Win, R2 assume right is Defender they might kill Rosa and destroy the burst chain B4 she burst

[covert lintel]

Top win ig

[shell hazel]

not for my older matches 😦

[quick lake]

oh noes

I would bet Bas7ial wins Stall team will tank ReiT nuke easy

[small hatch]

If BAS7IAL loses round 2 as well, then there is absolutely no hope of him winning this battle.

[quick lake]

Bas7ial should win 3/4/5. T2 being coin flip.
T3 is 2RL Scar Jack, win
T4 is stall team, able to tank ReiTN's nuke
T5 Quiry stalls long enough, then RH kills the opponent in 2nd burst cycle

my 2 cents

[crystal flicker]

I've seen ReiT Blanc obliterate stall comp

[covert lintel]

T2 isn't a coin flip
The position and revive favor top

[quick lake]

Well, 131k cp ReiTN vs 150k cp Nero. I trust in Nero

[small hatch]

Rei team annihilates the Helm Stall

[crystal flicker]

You didn't trust Nero, you trust Bastial

[covert lintel]

This was because of nero moran ammo

[quick lake]

Damn, teams are so cookie-cutter these days

[shell hazel]

nero/moran ammo? as in not enough?

[covert lintel]

Someone need to build sakura to stop any reiT

[shell hazel]

I haven't really rolled my nero or moran beyond initial OL

[small hatch]

I'm like 99,9% sure that both round 4 & 5 go to MIYO. BAS7IAL is not winning those match-ups. I do not see it, the evidence is very clear about this. If MIYO wins round1 with Scarlet then it's ggs for my boi.

[shell hazel]

would you say xanne or normal poli then? I have sort of started building normal poli but I don't have xanne and building her would need to wait until sep

[quick lake]

[shell hazel]

I could SR-5 poli and OL her gear, but presumably I also need a backup b2 like viper then?

[spiral onyx]

if you dont have a backup nontreasured Viper as B2 backup, Poli comp is very risky

XAnne is much safer

[covert lintel]

I imagine reiT become less than 2.5RL because nero moran

[shell hazel]

I can just run anchor for now like I have been, so poli + viper or xanne alone for future I guess? I should eventually get viper

or i just go all in on xanne when she drops

[small hatch]

That's exactly why I have the feeling that MIYO might be able to wins this. I had not other choice but to cheer for him. Round 2 goes to BAS7IAL MAYBE, but it's a shotgun mirror so who the f knows what will happen there. His shotgun team doesn't even utilizes a Burst 3 because of Viper (treasure).

[shell hazel]

you have to place your vote where you choose to then

some unpredictable stuff can happen

[small hatch]

I was wrong about my predicitons many times in the past and right now I'm really sweating hard to improve my correct cheering skills.

[crystal flicker]

Like Rosa crit rng

[shell hazel]

once you have the frames I just vote on whoever has the most votes, as I don't want to spend time analysing every match

[crystal flicker]

Miyo win T2 if their Rosa crit and kill 2 DPS first

[covert lintel]

Let me know if i'm wrong later

[small hatch]

MIYO's pos1 Soda dies super fast getting hyper focused by 4 shotgun units. Then both Rosannas trigger. Then Both teams burst. Drake might die next after Soda (MIYO). Anne revives someone. Not sure how this all ends and who stays alive at the end.

[quick lake]

maybe taking into account cs, miyo wins welps

gamba

[crystal flicker]

Defender's Rosa will burst first, the question is whether she's crit or no

[small hatch]

80% of players believe in the BAS7IAL stonks, it's somewhat scary to cheer against the majority vote but it wouldn't be the first time where the underdog emerged victorious against all odds.
I'm very bad at calculating burst gen and which team is faster.

[crystal flicker]

Also defender SG will target P4 first if Rosa is P5

Then they cook P5 after kill P4

My bracket has similar match last night lol

[small hatch]

Thanks. I was unsure about this tidbit as well. Normally they would target pos5 but that's not possible in this case.

[tropic summit]

@umbral crown interesting name choice

[shell hazel]

[small hatch]

If the Helm stall team wins against Rei, then MIYO can still win if his shotgun team beats the mirror. I have my doubts about this. But all MIYO needs to do is win the last one against Quiry/Red Hood, which is also BAS7's weakest team imo, so that 1, 2 and 5 secure the overall win.

[umbral crown]

[tropic summit]

does b4stial even have the "lose" word in his vocabulary

[crystal flicker]

Just take it easy, I lost both my CA because RNG damage favor enemy's team

100% against Blanc ScarBS, suddenly lose in the final
100% against 2RL non Blanc, suddenly lose to Crit

It's like RNG telling me to use something else for B3

[tropic summit]

wake up Rin, CA is sh*t to begin with

auto and pray for the best [c] Rosy

[small hatch]

I'm not trying to downplay BAS7IAl here. His teams are insanely strong and creative on their own.

[tropic summit]

i'm just joking, it's all based on RNG and team ordering

once you realize how meaningless it is it will be far easier

[crystal flicker]

Do you think we should get like decrease enemies' Crit Rate

That'll be insane

[quick lake]

Give me game-breaking pvp units

[tropic summit]

rather fix pvp altogether

-add conditions
-add bans
-add defense perks

[quick lake]

Yeah. seasonal buffs would be nice

[tropic summit]

SU doesn't give a f

and the community shouldn't either, but gotta get that lovely skin

[graceful grotto]

Give us Emilia tan 2.0

Funny how poliT and bayT are both just meh lol

[tropic summit]

emilia was an accident

it's because most of the time if not all the time the unit is designed without pvp in mind

then if that unit happens to be gamebreaking also in pvp, oh well

helmT kit was pve friendly to help burst gen, but that also reflects in pvp where burst gen is even more core

FPS perfomances? who cares
CA taking years to release? you know what, make it all auto, who cares if players have no actual interaction, at least we release it
new bosses? nah have a recoloured one (modernia, nihil, kraken)
new gamemodes? wait till we show them the exploration mode is just chibi with a larger map

oh but the good thing at least surveys are easy, can just copy paste the previous one because the issues haven't changed

[crystal flicker]

Probably what I dislike about SU is they didn't put enough focus to Improve Nikke, and instead choose to make AI gacha crap

Imagine with those resources, they could make a better Nikke

[tropic summit]

agreed

but that's what happens when ppl just keep buying and dropping money

one of the most important rules in businesses: don't change what works

numbers still looking good? things still selling? sit in that comfort zone and don't change it

audience is happy with throwing money at this current model and sure as hell management won't do a thing

in fact they got comfy with multiple banners at same time now

and ppl still buyin', which sends a positive sign to get greedier

a dog biting its own tail (the audience)

[crystal flicker]

Yeah

[upper grove]

SB was quite a good experience

SU money going to AAA titles

[sterile sapphire]

hm...Whos the pick?

[quick lake]

afaik, Nikke earns more than SB i think

[shell hazel]

@tropic summit did you catch the earlier conversation regarding poli+ shield?

[covert lintel]

https://x.com/Takomayuyi/status/1946160307916943434

The swimsuit is a bit different tho

[sleek imp]

Thanks... But where did you see Moran, Bay and soda

Cp pad team anyways

[mystic rain]

chat is this good team for defense

im guessing the only other upgrade i can do is to just build moran nero team

[quick lake]

It’s alright. No defence is perfect

Can check pins for more team ideas

[mystic rain]

damn so it really is just the same teams

[quick lake]

yeah. SPA pvp is pretty stale

[mystic rain]

is there any diff to 2Rl blanc vs 3RL

[shell hazel]

... diff of 1RL 😛

[quick lake]

[mystic rain]

cuz like ive heard people say 2RL blanc is bad and to just run 3RL blanc

dk why

[quick lake]

I would say 2RL Blanc is great. Problem is that usually 2RL means Blanc as sole buffer, which is not enough buffs

[shell hazel]

they probably mean for CA where you don't want your SBS indom too quick as you lose to slower indoms

[gritty ridge]

I could've sworn I saw em, just pull em

[shell hazel]

3RL indom beats 2RL indom in CA

[quick lake]

We’ll have a good 3rd DPS soon it will revolutionise pvp

[mystic rain]

hows bay looking as 5th team b2

[shell hazel]

just need emi re-run now

[mystic rain]

is she kicking out any current teams

[quick lake]

Bay is pretty iffy. Very situational and niche. Dont think CA team building has changed much since Bay/PoliT

We have funky P1 Cindy + Mihara nowadays

[shell hazel]

which failed for me 😦

[small hatch]

Question. Who does Siren stun with her skill 2 when she's on defense after firing her bullets?
"Activates when the enemy appears" and "affects the target". What does that mean? Who will she target in a pvp context?

[shell hazel]

did you also see how poliT shield gives enemy burst gen?

siren will target p1 unless otherwise taunted

[small hatch]

Player on the right should win. R1 W, R2 L, R3 W, R4 W, R5 L.

[sleek imp]

looks nice, no cindy tho?

[sleek imp]

I havent seen gold in ages

[quick lake]

yeah, CN/JP tested it quite early on

[shell hazel]

so unless you p4/p5 her, you can't really use poliT 😦

and that means you can't use her as main tank then

[quick lake]

Hm yeah, poli kinda weird

[shell hazel]

so then best to MLB xanne maybe instead and use her for b2 in sg

at least sort of where I'm leaning at the moment

[gritty ridge]

Not having any scar counters has to be rough

[midnight marsh]

3 of the top 4 in my CA bracket are in my SP bracket

Bottom match is rematch of S3 finals

[umbral belfry]

I'm the only pie left standing

[midnight marsh]

[shell hazel]

Hime you hear the poli news? 😦

[umbral belfry]

?

[shell hazel]

her shield gives opponent burst gen 😦

[mystic rain]

good run

[shell hazel]

[midnight marsh]

IS THAT WHY MY POLI loses every rouunnnnd?!

[mystic rain]

nahh no cindy

[midnight marsh]

I was absolutely confused by some of the results

[umbral belfry]

ah yeah I heard about that

[valid inlet]

I wonder how it would perform if we place sacrifice SG at p1 and Poli at p2

[umbral belfry]

granted it wouldn't matter to me as I'm doing p5

but making a tank that wonky is LOL

[midnight marsh]

Before CA season started, some JP were cooking P5 Poli

[shell hazel]

it forces you to only run poli at p4 or p5

[midnight marsh]

I wasn't really sure so I just kept the same old Keripo Poli I used most seasons

[crystal flicker]

Sasuga Hime-sama

[covert lintel]

@karmic smelt rematch

[shell hazel]

grats @cunning crown you won 3rd match because your Noah was in time to stop scar

1/5 were the gimmes

[umbral belfry]

it's getting dicey

[shell hazel]

probably not helping

[karmic smelt]

Oh damn I’m already having ptsd

[umbral belfry]

LMAO

[umbral belfry]

[mystic rain]

only thing i learned from this champs is that im heavily underinvested in pvp

lmao

[shell hazel]

I'm either going to:

• need to pause poli+
• run her as p4/p5 only (not awful tbh but maybe not the best overall b2 option)
• not treasure her and build a 2nd backup like Viper if/when I get her
• go all in on xanne when she lands

[covert lintel]

Unfortunately you'll lose because I think the team placement is the same as before

[shell hazel]

xanne does have a benefit of revive + only one unit to build

[midnight marsh]

The results were terrible compared to previous seasons
My Poli Rosa is 2-2 in playoffs and I feel like it should have been 3-1. I think I remember it losing 2/3 group matches too. And it's going to lose in top 4 match too

[shell hazel]

yeah keripo one lost in his last replay as well

[umbral belfry]

I'm still gonna run her p5

OH, speaking of poli. it's confirmed her damage share isn't at start of battle

[shell hazel]

I think that's fine tbh, it's less flexible but she does one job

[midnight marsh]

No wait I can't count yeah okay fixed it

[umbral belfry]

I already treasured her, I'm still gonna replace naga but christ

[karmic smelt]

Yea the trauma is real

[shell hazel]

I only lost 5-0 once, it sucks

rng counters to all my teams lol

[umbral belfry]

[shell hazel]

[umbral belfry]

[midnight marsh]

Who gets extra gauge against Poli shield? Is it just RLs or everyone

[placid bloom]

[cunning crown]

HOLY

[placid bloom]

so phoric has chance to have his champion run

though I didn't actually check your match into Zyph

[shell hazel]

champ run? I haven't looked at your next matches yet

[umbral belfry]

he does legit lol

I think I win against zyph though

[shell hazel]

I wasn't sure on your stall comp surviving

rng with cindy

[keen vapor]

Bas7ial is writing

[cunning crown]

Next one is iffy if it's against the max sdoro but I like my chances against the other three, let's see

[lusty gull]

r1 and r5 could win

[umbral belfry]

@acoustic light lock in

[placid bloom]

[lusty gull]

always trust nero @quick lake

[midnight marsh]

Which version of Nero is it?

[upper grove]

Definitely, gacha money is OP

[covert lintel]

So i was wrong about that T2 mirror

[shell hazel]

max sdoro is nothing here, she's like naga clip gen

[sleek imp]

cream

[shell hazel]

fight will be over before max core sdoro does anything interesting

[umbral belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/crankgameplays-markiplier-markiplier-makes-whos-ready-to-cream-creme-brulee-gif-25289945

[sleek imp]

rip, that should do ig

[quick lake]

Always believed in you

[lusty gull]

#pvp-arena message

[shell hazel]

look at their t1 chart Zael sdoro did less dmg that drakeT

pretty sure this is also true on their previous set

a.k.a. they're doing you a favour running a low burst gen sdoro

[umbral belfry]

@placid bloom I think phoric is over top 4

[keen vapor]

It'll never be Maiden ver

[umbral belfry]

it depends on t1 and t2

[placid bloom]

maybe you repeat champ then

get your sparkle

or twinkle

[umbral belfry]

now see I don't think I win vs either anyway LMAOOO

[midnight marsh]

Ooo cool. JP meta originally start with Quiry or Laplace version in Neromora and later shift to Mana. On the other hand, CN started with Mana and shifted to XMaiden version (though CN has always preferred BayHelm instead of NeroMora)

[placid bloom]

[umbral belfry]

I don't know how this is gonna go

[keen vapor]

Wait, you're top

[quick lake]

Is Mana that good? EN side havent seen much Nero Moran mana

[umbral belfry]

if zid wins I have to pray rosa survives to nuke to scar and rh without jack

and 2rl noah cindy vs 3rl noah cindy mirror

and I have ptsd over the last match with ace

[lusty gull]

i'm atk so bot

[shell hazel]

keripo running mana/biscuit version this time

[midnight marsh]

JP likes Mana because she instant revives Helm dying to 2RL burst

[quick lake]

Im still a believer of quiry

[quick lake]

Hmm that's fair as well

[shell hazel]

side benefit of mana - legit decent in general purpose stuff

[keen vapor]

Fiuf so Laplace ver still the best

[covert lintel]

That team lose a lot in my group

[umbral belfry]

@wet crystal pls share your energy with me

[placid bloom]

share kiss

[quick lake]

Yeah, that's my consensus as well

[umbral belfry]

[placid bloom]

it will increase performance for sure

[shell hazel]

for me I like to build enough units to have options 🙂

[keen vapor]

Wait no hard to read on vertical

@lusty gull how Maiden ver can ever do a second rotation

[quick lake]

Its mostly relying on xMaiden/laplaceT/Noir etc to auto attack the opponents to death afaik

[keen vapor]

but

[acoustic light]

first ever top 4

[midnight marsh]

I ran and won with Laplace version in S3. Many times Laplace pulled wins by wrecking electric. Though watching replays for the past 3 seasons, the XMaiden version is so unkillable and has won so much. It looks crazy

[umbral belfry]

good job. yours is gonna be so close

[placid bloom]

surely it's your champion run

[umbral belfry]

no pressure but if you win I'm 99% sure you're a new champ

[placid bloom]

can't drop now

[umbral belfry]

so no pressure

[acoustic light]

wait wait lemme check the matchup

[shell hazel]

yeah am considering my comps for next season already

[midnight marsh]

[umbral belfry]

ein indom vs sbs indom at same speed and 2rl scar mirror

wait

[placid bloom]

SBS wins indom if Ein has bad reload timing

since SBS never has to reload

even if Ein has good reload timing, SBS should have faster cs

[umbral belfry]

OK yes 2rl scar mirror

[placid bloom]

unless you have 0 ammo SBS, then you lose

[acoustic light]

so I lose 1

should win mirror tho since I have cs on all 4

[umbral belfry]

God him vs zid is close

[glad meteor]

Lost nero mirror last i saw. Mana dies to nero counter

[umbral belfry]

if zid wins 1-3 it's gg

[covert lintel]

Fahrenheit gonna be champion again no matter who will win on the top side

[umbral belfry]

and he's likely to win t3, t2 pray

[glad meteor]

whel diff him

[umbral belfry]

phoric pls you're so close

[placid bloom]

I will look

I didn't even look yet

[cunning crown]

I'm gonna decide to believe, you were too right about the last t1 not to lmao

[valid inlet]

My Nero has lost twice this season already, same last season to different teams (SG, SodaScar, JackalCindy, now BlancEmilia) It’s less invincible compares to before…. time to max tempering cube?

[umbral belfry]

T1 L?
T2 prayge
T3 L
T4 L?
T5 W

[cunning crown]

Guy's poor rapu fell over before one dmg

[acoustic light]

I will wait harder and faster

[umbral belfry]

not 100% sure on t4

[glad meteor]

Temper cube level 7?

[quick lake]

Honestly bad luck. Double buffed Emilia almost unstoppable

[glad meteor]

Just core diff

[midnight marsh]

[valid inlet]

It's 7 now

[placid bloom]

who's the links on t1? Helm RH?

or is Ein linked

[glad meteor]

Damage reduction is maxed. Now it just gives some stats

[quick lake]

I swear I would be champion by now if I had an Emilia

[acoustic light]

My bet is on L W L 50/50 W

[shell hazel]

I'll check the matches in general soon

[umbral belfry]

no it's time NOWWWW

[acoustic light]

p1 2 5 link

[shell hazel]

maybe after the results confirm so I can also vote

[glad meteor]

Some people put moran in p3. so emi struggles to full nuke

Nero helm moran rapu xmaid/lap+

[umbral belfry]

@acoustic light bc I'm telling you, if you win I don't see a chance of winning for me so you highkey gotta win

[valid inlet]

Interesting, but that helm survive rate will get even lower right? Her burst is valuable sometimes

[glad meteor]

Helm will indeed be in rl range

In global people have switched to using

Nero moran helm rh rapunzel

[acoustic light]

u dont beat zid? it looks like u have a chance

[glad meteor]

2.5 rl with cs and rh pierce hit

[umbral belfry]

no I might vs him. I meant vs you

[valid inlet]

Oh yeah I was thinking about that but I can't be 2.5 RL with RH

[acoustic light]

u gotta back urself hime

[umbral belfry]

there's too many bad matchups, so you're basically confirmed champ if you beat zid

[glad meteor]

Just get lucky with red hood pierce

[umbral belfry]

no it's okay, it's cool seeing new champs

[glad meteor]

If she pierces cover she gets extra gen

[valid inlet]

Ohhhh, got it, I should do some test

[placid bloom]

I think you lose t4, I checked Zid's match history and he fought basically the same match in top 32 (Noise Noah Mermaid with no Biscuit) and he won

t1 doesn't look winnable, it's too SBS favored

actually wait

[umbral belfry]

t2 is rng too, it's both 2rl scar

[placid bloom]

nvm

[umbral belfry]

whoever has the most cs

[placid bloom]

not winnable

[umbral belfry]

NOOOO

[valid inlet]

Could be, my Moran is core 3 only, Nero core 6, but there is nothing I can do with it, just have to wait for the luck

[acoustic light]

how did his noise do 0 dmg

in the t32 matchup

just died right away??

[placid bloom]

2 SG volleys is faster than rocket can charge if you have 0 cs, I would need to check how much cs you need to fire off a shot

maybe that guy's Noise is too weak

[acoustic light]

time to whip out the nikke calculator

[placid bloom]

his Noise only 80k CP so maybe yours can actually land a shot

[wind kelp]

There we go, bit of F2P elbow grease 😄

[placid bloom]

but Zid's BSoda is SR15, so it's actually kinda strong

[clear folio]

gL champ run! zid is running my team pls win lmao

[placid bloom]

Idk if he has ele dmg on it either

if he has ele dmg on it then your Noise is never living

[acoustic light]

ty ace we're just talking about how I lose lmao

[umbral belfry]

@acoustic light we both must lock in

[acoustic light]

I think we must give the ppl what they want

[placid bloom]

nvm not possible for RL to ever be faster than 2 SG volley

so you have to survive 2 volleys

[umbral belfry]

phoric champ in-bound

[placid bloom]

if you die on 3rd volley at least you got 1 shot off

but it's not favored

there is a chance you feed his t1 to 2RL while yours is 2.5RL

which gives you a small chance to win, but I think it's still too SBS favored

[quartz rover]

[umbral belfry]

[placid bloom]

but maybe I am underestimating SR bullet travel time

[umbral belfry]

tbh the cheers isn't surprising 😭

i think i win personally though, unless i somehow lose t2

bc t4 and t5 are given

[acoustic light]

these ppl man where's the support for hime

[umbral belfry]

its not surprising 😭 big commander level gap

let's do our best phoric

[placid bloom]

You better not cost me 6 crates

[acoustic light]

ah so thats why he beat ace

[umbral belfry]

remember when you voted me before kuwon

[placid bloom]

I will find you and kiss you if you do

[umbral belfry]

[placid bloom]

[umbral belfry]

no but fr check the matchups, i'm p sure i win

[placid bloom]

you will not be safe

[swift mango]

@fathom rock

I got the right cheer.

[placid bloom]

I am too lazy to check your match, I believe in you

[quartz rover]

think I cant beat this guy

beat the dude in front of him instead

[clear folio]

nah his T5 can only win against One team and must be on Defense. and both happened i think u have a chance, dnt believe kuwon xD

[acoustic light]

oh no I was just joking bc his commander level is higher

yea unlucky matchup

[umbral belfry]

gonna eat a pie for goodluck today 🥧

[worthy knoll]

@quasi sluice wth is this 5/5 mirror match

[placid bloom]

hmm your t1 actually so unlucky, matchup was hard already but you even burst faster than him because your 3 SR feed less than his SBS, Centi, LapT

[placid bloom]

so his indom last longer

[acoustic light]

I remember promising to never use the sbs 2rl indom again bc it never won me anything

then this happens

[umbral belfry]

my jackal is reserved for noise and noah now

[scarlet adder]

hmm are people betting correctly :D?

[worldly osprey]

rip my king

[swift mango]

I really hate the next cheer match. All possible RNG win wtf...

Not even one guarantee

At least my match was 1 guarantee for me and 2 for him.

[worldly osprey]

are you trying to find a frame cheer fail ?

[swift mango]

Yeah

[worldly osprey]

what's match u will cheer

[swift mango]

Chris vs Aha

[wind kelp]

Mood, i cheered correct for an earlier one, somehow pulled a win off without any classic units. Stop being underdog winners! 😄

[shell hazel]

@cunning crown you could lose t1 because you can't burst, it depends how lethal your ros is

your team is a little quicker at b1 so could win there, that will be the deciding factor

t2 is mirror stall

t3 you win they are 4RL and you got Noah

t4 hard to say indom vs indom will depend on rng some

t5 hard to say scar vs scar so whichever scar is quicker

you have siren they have p1 scar just checking ammo count

[covert lintel]

Not worth sacrificing 30 1h credit box

[shell hazel]

they have 20 ammo so will probably avoid stun unless 20 ammo catches it

[swift mango]

I sacrificed more than 100 already

[sleek imp]

Right after I changed my defender team im now chal 10

[shell hazel]

you can't be pvp ma unless you're SPA 1

[swift mango]

Okay, it doesn't feel right to cheer for the guy who beat me to win when it's a close match.

Also, SBS is bugged right now.

[swift mango]

Then we have no PvP MA in this chat.

[sleek imp]

thats impossible in my bracket

[shell hazel]

just 💳

[sleek imp]

we have 60 sync disparity

[placid bloom]

smh just be sync 900

[shell hazel]

just be more levels higher

[sleek imp]

all of his pilgrims are like C1/c2 how am I gon swipe over him as a HS student

[swift mango]

Whales just don't come here to be MA.

[sleek imp]

buddy blue cpped MC

[cunning crown]

7/10/10 and I think 35% atk but biting my nails with that one

straight investment gapped in t2 which is unfortunate but I think they run into the same problem with the scar-off

[shell hazel]

why are you running without a b2 for sg comp?

seems risky

[cunning crown]

this viper is like little babu, surely my tviper doesn't lose to this

oh very unintentional this time, bricked myself with her treasure lmao

[shell hazel]

won't matter if she avoids being hit

[cunning crown]

on the full cope

[shell hazel]

sat in the middle she may not take any hits

[worldly osprey]

imo, chris is guaranteed to win team 1 and 5. team 3 has a good shot too since both sides block each other's nukes, and chris has lapt for extra damage after noah's burst. team 4 could also win if centi gets killed fast enough to delay scar's burst. as for team 2, i didn’t use bay much but i think blanc would be better than her. i’m voting chris to win. the choice is yours. don’t trust me too much

[shell hazel]

it's baby viper but it may still work

[sleek imp]

I spent 1k gem and I still cant beat this guy, so cope

[lone sequoia]

skill issue

[sleek imp]

his last team is so dumb, if I move my stuff for his last team nothing can beat his middle team

Whats so strong about his team 2

[swift mango]

Team 1 like I said, SBS is bugged right now and would kill his whole team aside from Nero. Even Nero doesn't have 100% Dr, but 60% instead thanks to Blanc+Siren

[sleek imp]

Legit cant beat it other than using thelm on brust

[cunning crown]

also wondering if xanne might replace bsoda in a month if I commit to tviper in this team

[shell hazel]

she could, it means 2 b2's though, depends how lethal tviper is vs built bsoda

[lone sequoia]

xanne is b2, she is a flex on SG teams, but all depends if you use rosanna there

[shell hazel]

most are running ros with sg

bsoda/draket/b2/noir/ros

[lone sequoia]

the other problem is viperT recast b2

[shell hazel]

you'd need xanne as primary b2

[cunning crown]

idd

still thinking about this winner from last season

[sleek imp]

this is not my actual team, but where do I place my Siren to stun his Noise?

[lone sequoia]

not always, you can just use blanc there or centi

all depends on who is in p1 (your team) and the elements you cover

[shell hazel]

I mean you need another b2 regardless right?

and that wants to be primary b2 instead of tviper

[lone sequoia]

you can't stun his noise unless she have the taunt prio, only p1 or p2 will get taunted

[lone sequoia]

only if you use viperT with the phase she recast b2

[small hatch]

What are some good OL lines for Blanc in arena? atk, def, crit?

[shell hazel]

they have that atm, their team can't burst as only b2 is tviper

[lone sequoia]

atk only if you need her with a link (jackal shared dmg) any defender likes DEF the other option is ammo or just more dmg for the team (ele dmg +crit rate lines)

i'm waiting on SU fix to DEF before rerolling the OL of my pvp units

and that will take like... a couple of years; i don't use my rocks

[worldly osprey]

what’s the bug with sbs?

[small hatch]

you will still need some OL lines in the meantime though. DEF seems like to be the best yeah

[lone sequoia]

yeah

i get the base OL with the free stats

[swift mango]

As for Cindy vs Cindy, it's hard because it's LapT vs Biscuit.

[keen vapor]

But nesso realistically Blanc has no real preference on overload lines

[worthy knoll]

proof that those who are MAs are broke
🏃‍♂️ 💨

[keen vapor]

Yeah that

[keen vapor]

OI

[worldly osprey]

lapt counters cindy, biscuit, and noise. so i think she’s better

[swift mango]

[swift mango]

Idk how lapT counter Biscuit but okay.

[keen vapor]

BLOOD

[swift mango]

But Jackal link + Noise could counter Cindy.

[lone sequoia]

viperT as sacc in p1 will always eat a spot if you need the 2nd b2, probably xanne (just to keep her alive against scarlet) blanc(p3) or poli if you get her with DEF and atk or crit rate lines- centi or anis are really good if you have some ele dmg lines+ cs(just in case)

[worldly osprey]

i mean iron counter electric with bonus dmg

[shell hazel]

step too much outside the sg units though and it's kind of no longer a deadly sg comp 🙂

or you split your damage p1/p5 on def too much

[lone sequoia]

defenders likes def...

[unique mountain]

Any pvp units still bugged or all gucci

[lone sequoia]

all depends in rosanna stats, if she can oneshot 2 units and you use SG is still a SG rosanna comp

[shell hazel]

i'm kind of lukewarm on polit with the confirmation that shield gives opponent more burst gen thanks to acting like another target

[keen vapor]

Def impact will forever be minimal

[lone sequoia]

the synergy is the same, get 1 proc with your team or enemy team and start the burst chain

[keen vapor]

Still bug

[unique mountain]

[lone sequoia]

unless you already min-maxed the OL and buff or your units

moran can solo a defender team because she stacks def like crazy

[tropic summit]

what do you mean? the extra burst gen? that's why hime is running poli p5

[sleek imp]

I gave up

[unique mountain]

Merry your ca bracket has ambatu or is it lamiouz one

[worthy knoll]

Bughara is always bugged
Well aside from that none, its not the units that is bug, but damage still being calculated for invulnerable units is bugged

[sleek imp]

RAILTRACER, SAVE MEEEEEEEE

[lone sequoia]

or even supports and at that point we will use assist cube to juggle with the HP

[worthy knoll]

Lam

[unique mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/yamcha-yamcha-death-pose-yamcha-dead-yamcha-on-the-ground-yamcha-sleeping-gif-15816799

[shell hazel]

yes you have to run poli p5

[unique mountain]

Know anyone from ambatu bracket? I wanna know the top 4

[shell hazel]

or p4, if you run p1 then gg extra burst gen

[worthy knoll]

Who is ambatu? Paddybear?

[unique mountain]

Ye

Hobo

[worthy knoll]

Why not just ask @raven plover himself?

[sleek imp]

someone save me pls

[unique mountain]

U were chatting when i asked, he wasn't

[worthy knoll]

Aye, I'm on Lams so I'm not sure who is on Hoboman's Top 4

[gritty ridge]

Im gonna be real with you, I forgot abt cindy

[unique mountain]

How do you forget about zeus

[gritty ridge]

Siren p1 should solve your Noah problem, and helm 2.5rl or below should beat the first team

[sleek imp]

no bro, the biscuit burst then I do no dmg to cindy again

Im just tryna ingore his middle team at this point

somehow its beatable w the diesel team but then I dont have nikkes for his 3rd team

[gritty ridge]

Well his third team is slow af

You only need to win twice so you can ignore one of em

[sleek imp]

hurts like crazy

hes literally off burst whole round, my P1 dies first 3 second no matter jackal linked or using some tanks like Rumani

[gritty ridge]

You have biscuit don't you?

[sleek imp]

yeah

[gritty ridge]

Biscuit p4 tank p1

[sleek imp]

aight l'll just show you a clip

[swift mango]

[gritty ridge]

If you put rumani p1 liter p2 rumani should taunt and get stunned while invul, burst with liter and biscuit unless you want a dif b2

[sleek imp]

Even if I swapped Helm w Rumani Im still not winning

his Team 1/2 is just perfect

[gritty ridge]

Try this and fill for cp for team 3

[sleek imp]

i've wasted 1.2k gems over 3rd/4th, guess no CA for me today

[placid bloom]

[sleek imp]

why sbs

[gritty ridge]

Cp

[placid bloom]

if you gonna spend gems you should be rerolling dispatch for doll mats or something, not extra swings

[sleek imp]

Cindy has higher cp than sbs...?

[sleek imp]

HELP ME KUWON

[placid bloom]

you need to get stronger long term not place higher short term

[shell hazel]

wasting gems for extra SPA tries is not good especially as f2p

[gritty ridge]

Cindy also slow af

[sleek imp]

Bro there is no short or long term, all frickingwhales

[placid bloom]

[sleek imp]

im not killing him if Im using sbs fighting w defict again

[placid bloom]

how are you so behind

even I wasn't that behind

[sleek imp]

how canyou blame me when theres 4 chinese grown adult in my bracket

[placid bloom]

[sleek imp]

legit all 20 sync gap me when they are in like chap 30

[gritty ridge]

This isnt below deficit?

[glad meteor]

If cindirella is slow. Siren isn’t that useful. Better to bring a better buffer like liter or rh. But idk if it’ll full nuke still

[shell hazel]

you could wait for them to die of old age

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/willsmith-fresh-prince-gif-5207996

[gritty ridge]

4rl is fast enough for team 3, im accounting for cp

[glad meteor]

Also you 1rl because siren lol. And lost a stack of attack

[sleek imp]

he has Siren btw

[shell hazel]

diesel carry trust

[gritty ridge]

Rumani

[placid bloom]

he has SR15 on garbage units

[gritty ridge]

She taunts gets stunned then liter burst

[placid bloom]

he already peaked

on his CP

[sleek imp]

well actually, the Diesel Biscuit does beat his team 2/3, but like I helm for Cindy

and Cindy team will lose alot of CP if I use other nikkes for RL

[sleek imp]

That is not true

[tropic summit]

she's not even bursting

[placid bloom]

bro I see Liter and SW

his team is ass

[tropic summit]

oh you cookin' with your cursed box

[shell hazel]

she'll burst 2nd rotation

[sleek imp]

thats a 30k cp team, and its 3.5 RL

[placid bloom]

that's why you have to build long term

[tropic summit]

in the afterlife? oh ok

[placid bloom]

eventually your batteries will not be ass

[sleek imp]

my batteries arent bad

just maybe Rumani

[placid bloom]

stop spending gem on attacks and either do gem wipeout or reroll for doll mat

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-black-halo-smiling-gif-15157919

[sleek imp]

so I sit c4?

[placid bloom]

yes

[tropic summit]

maybe it's time to build soda

[sleek imp]

*c5

[gritty ridge]

Im cooking with sopas cursed box actually

[sleek imp]

not c4

[placid bloom]

and eventually you will close the CP gap because they cannot raise their dolls more

[sleek imp]

my RH isnt even done

[placid bloom]

but your team comp will be a real comp

[tropic summit]

@sleek imp are you sure you want that guy cooking your teams?

[glad meteor]

@tropic summit did you see this. 1rl because siren lol

[placid bloom]

while theirs is garbage

[sleek imp]

who, Bigboi?

[glad meteor]

It’s do able on offense

[sleek imp]

Well, I did actually took his advice and lost miserbley

[gritty ridge]

Im a good cook when it comes to cursed boxes

[sleek imp]

I need to stop spending gems at this point, like Kuwon suggests

no mroe CA for me, back to the cave for Campagin

lowest BS clear here I come

[placid bloom]

just take your 2k7

[sleek imp]

c5 gets the same as c4?

[placid bloom]

yes

[sleek imp]

I mean, CA is pretty much nothing afterall

[gritty ridge]

My team lost against team 3?

[placid bloom]

1-3, 4-6, 7-10

is the breakpoints

[tropic summit]

isn't it noise taunting in p4 making trina hit 3 targets?

[sleek imp]

stunned

[tropic summit]

as it looks like a noise taunt priority team

[gritty ridge]

Did you perhaps screenshot the dmg? Idk what went wrong

[glad meteor]

Its 1rl. That would happen on 2rl

[gritty ridge]

Who stunned? Rumani should've taunted, invul then stun making liter b1

[tropic summit]

how's siren causing it then?

[glad meteor]

Fill Burst gen at 400 hits

[sleek imp]

want me to spend another 100 gems?

[worthy knoll]

Back in the the days
C1 3k
C2 2.7k
C3 2.4k
C4 2.1k
.... And so on, while diamonds get only 3 digit gems

[glad meteor]

Used round1 ammo

[gritty ridge]

No no, save your gems

I was just curious what went wrong

[sleek imp]

l'll show u in 3 hour

[tropic summit]

how does that even work

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/todd-howard-it-just-works-bethesda-this-all-just-works-gif-20598651

[gritty ridge]

The only person getting stunned on that team that would be detrimental would be sbs

[glad meteor]

Ammo used gets carried on to next round. When it reach 400. Then fill gauge

https://tenor.com/view/cat-jam-stonks-stonk-jam-head-shot-hans-gif-21157324

[gritty ridge]

If biscuit stunned then you burst with your favorite diesel

[tropic summit]

oh sounds like a perfectly normal behaviour situation

[worthy knoll]

Ammo of previous round counts to Siren requirement for her BG gain.. err we already talked about this right?

[shell hazel]

wait why? 😄

[tropic summit]

i dunno i've lost count of all of these intended mechanics

[gritty ridge]

Pls do

[shell hazel]

that is definitely a bug mechanic

[tropic summit]

feature*

[shell hazel]

spaghetti code indeed

[tropic summit]

so run a bad silly but high fire rate team in T1 then run siren in T2 for the magic to happen

beautiful.

[shell hazel]

that is so dumb

[tropic summit]

@worthy knoll does that happen to work on both sides?

e.g. if you do the same on def it carries over or only attacker?

[shell hazel]

any other units work on hit count?

or shots fired?

[worthy knoll]

I don't know, no one made that kinda moronic but it somehow worked def yet

[glad meteor]

Crimson sent vid of it

[shell hazel]

bughara does something with shots fired right?

[worthy knoll]

Was it on defending side on that vid? Kinda remember it was attacking?

[glad meteor]

Defending

[worthy knoll]

Oh so it works both ways

[tropic summit]

lmao...

spaghetti code making the finest cousine

[worthy knoll]

Guess only unknown if it works on T3 siren and counts previous 2 round or just 1 round?

[shell hazel]

could only carry across one round maybe

[tropic summit]

my chinnit gonna be in for a surprise i might just run that on def for the luls

as the same nikke can be used and probably easy to replicate

[shell hazel]

I am using siren on my t2 so I guess she'd trigger if someone attacked me 😛

[worthy knoll]

Imagine they see a 1 RL Cindy with a Siren on it

[shell hazel]

wondered if we have something like this going on for the bughara dot shenanigans?

[worthy knoll]

?

Number of hit?

[shell hazel]

yes

[worthy knoll]

Mmh.. mmh

Actually plausible

[tropic summit]

maybe that's how merry made the game blow up with his midhara

[worthy knoll]

Though prolly on SP as CA are individual separated battles and not continuous

[shell hazel]

that is true, they don't blend into one

but they may not be resetting some variables

[tropic summit]

intern-kun messing with the code on purpose

[worthy knoll]

I wonder if like T3 Siren and ammo count from previous 2 round is 800

[shell hazel]

0RL burst

[worthy knoll]

Will it proc the bg gen twice

[shell hazel]

elegg skill makes it into the game

I can't test it

[worthy knoll]

Well its not a bug

You can test on rookie

[shell hazel]

rookie is only one match

am talking about ammo/hit rollover

[worthy knoll]

Yeah

[shell hazel]

can't test that on rookie

[worthy knoll]

If I get motivated, I might just use Zixk to test

[shell hazel]

I couldn't repro midhara stuff on rookie

[worthy knoll]

[shell hazel]

and unsure if I was anywhere near triggering in CA due to replays

[worthy knoll]

I think I have an idea how to test it using bughara with Crown instead of Blanc

[swift mango]

About team 2, it depends on whether HelmT snip Emi or Midhara. If Emi is sniped then Chris lose 100%. If Midhara is sniped then he would have a chance.

[gritty ridge]

Hey rail, youre smarter than me can you explain why my cook wouldnt have worked outside of cp issues?

[tropic summit]

siren resistant and SG resistant but too slow, 4RL is abusable by too many things

at that point the lineup ceases to be useful in any way

[gritty ridge]

I made it to counter yhe opponents 3rd team sopa showed

Not as a defense

[tropic summit]

then what are you asking for feedback for

if it's tailored to a specific matchup then as long as it serves that scenario purpose it is as good as any

[gritty ridge]

Well sopa said it didnt work because of stun

So im wondering if you know how

[tropic summit]

yes 4RL will have B1 stunned

[gritty ridge]

Yeah that was the plan, then have liter in b2 burst

Thats why rumani was there, taunt+invul

[tropic summit]

@gritty ridge you're dealing with this correct?

[gritty ridge]

Yeah

Thats why I figured 4rl woth biscuit would worl

[tropic summit]

that really shouldn't be a matchup that gives you trouble

2 4RL teams and 1 5RL

punish with 2 teams on 2RL either or punish with padded 3RL

now take those 2 archetypes and do whatever you need to do

missing units? replace with the next same thing unit

missing CP? pad it out

scarlet and noah team are interchangable tbh

since it's a noah bursting on 4RL, 3RL bypasses it even without siren

[gritty ridge]

I suggested 2.5-2rl helm for team 1 and you saw my team 3 counter

[strong hull]

@tropic summit im on win streak today

Master rank promotion soon

[tropic summit]

🐳

[sleek imp]

I dont have Noah

[tropic summit]

don't need it, any B2 with decent burst gen

show your box

[sleek imp]

aight

[shell hazel]

lack of gremlin confirmed

[tropic summit]

[sleek imp]

wdym box

[shell hazel]

I think I see the issue

all the names are in another language

[tropic summit]

oh

[shell hazel]

cindy p1 but they have no splash damage

[tropic summit]

you gonna need sustain on T2

mihara gonna pop DoT and noah gonna stall

it's probably less tedious to deal with T1 cuz you lack blanc (her CP is bad)

[tropic summit]

ensure you're not on deficit then run these

T1: fed to 2RL, wipe
T2: skip
T3: crown stunned, burst with rumani biscuit and cindy

[sleek imp]

First one defict is huge, like 70k diff

[tropic summit]

crown will procc passive atk% via biscuit

[sleek imp]

3rd one is good

[tropic summit]

can you show the whole matchup?

i've no idea what bricked CP you're running on those poor units

screenshot of T1 and T3 is enough

https://tenor.com/view/the-devil-gif-20640372

@strong hull

ok it got even better

[shell hazel]

bug arena
#1395785592494886923 message

[sleek imp]

absloutely, will do that once resets hit, im low on gems

[tropic summit]

ok

[sleek imp]

Uma gamer too

[tropic summit]

either way those are beatable

[sleek imp]

how many kitasane you got

[shell hazel]

I'm sort of surprised but also not that they broke a bunch of stuff just trying to fix bay 😄

[sleek imp]

With you two on my side

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-normal-mr-grooberson-paul-rudd-ghostbusters-afterlife-thats-usual-gif-22500289

[shell hazel]

two? railtracers?

two railtracers 😮

[sleek imp]

Rail and bigboi

[shell hazel]

oh damn, thought we had invented cloning

imagine if we had two railtracers 😄

[sleek imp]

imagin the two competing for SPA 1, absolute cinema

[shell hazel]

one could man 24/7 pvp-arena helpdesk and the other trains horsegirls

[shell hazel]

rail isn't 1 chinese whale issues

I look forward to being merged into a bracket of chinese whales

[sleek imp]

[tropic summit]

the 9 months curse, pray you dodge it

[sleek imp]

why...?

[shell hazel]

I pray

[tropic summit]

3rd reshuffle

[shell hazel]

it's probably inevitable

[sleek imp]

pls no

[shell hazel]

just gotta accept it

[sleek imp]

before that first reshuffle I was C1 casually, now im having trouble to maintain C4

the entire Challenger list all have higher CP Than me

[shell hazel]

the 3rd reshuffle is the best one

[sleek imp]

just use some gaming chair

[shell hazel]

my gaming chair broke 😦

[sleek imp]

what usually happens inthe 3rd reshuffle...?

[tropic summit]

truck kun gonna visit

[sleek imp]

speaking of chair, I've been using this outdoor chair for like 7 years, after moving like 4 times

[lusty gull]

i couldn't share it before @quick lake

[umbral belfry]

[tropic summit]

not even ele weak rapu died

let's take away xmaiden and throw in a RH next time

[lusty gull]

no

[tropic summit]

he can't run it anyway because that'd be a reiT in p1 and siren gonna have fun

or gamble all the way

[lusty gull]

rapunzel still lb0

[tropic summit]

[quick lake]

Thanks for sharing knew ReiTN wasnt enough

[quick lake]

definitely no ele ReiTN

[lusty gull]

even if rapunzel be killed same result

[tropic summit]

ye would need to kill helmT at least

double buff on indom that might've gone differently, although max stack nero would be interesting

[quick lake]

Trust the math

[lusty gull]

do you want to see an other round ? 1 and 5 are quite funny

[quick lake]

sure!

funny pvp matches keke

[lusty gull]

r1

r5

[tropic summit]

lmao RH on B1 B2 B3 still not enough to solo nero

[lusty gull]

yes she's still on progress but it's not the main problem

she's like where should i shoot

[quick lake]

[lusty gull]

well, if enough investment she could survive but i still don't understand why she take that amount of damage near the end

[tropic summit]

probably laplace on 2nd burst?

[lusty gull]

her damage is constant

she takes a big damage

[swift mango]

How much lb/core, Ele and ATK you have?

[lusty gull]

near the end

[swift mango]

Are Blanc and ReiT both maxed?

[tropic summit]

[eager mountain]

link?

[swift mango]

Just throwing the video without stat doesn't mean anything.

[lusty gull]

i don't know but purple doll

[swift mango]

[quick lake]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1eP-9zFwVDR8LRCPSMxFtaH41aV9oqbGx49erhZXtpK0/edit?gid=550294888#gid=550294888
Some formulas might be incorrect. So take with plus minus 5% error kek

[swift mango]

The Nero team is yours right? Are they maxed out?

[lusty gull]

someone shared screenshot before so you can know as much as me

[swift mango]

ReiT need 40% AtK and Ele.

[lusty gull]

they are strong but they still can be improve

[tropic summit]

@swift mango do you've a nero moran team built btw?

[quick lake]

not mine

he didn’t i think. still champion

[swift mango]

I'm Rapu bricked.

[tropic summit]

[swift mango]

ReiT also need 140 ammo for indom play. That ReiT is trash.

[quick lake]

indeed.

[swift mango]

Without 140 ammo, she needs at least 100+bastion

[lusty gull]

you can bring as much ammo you want nothing will change there

[tropic summit]

[swift mango]

But ATK and Ele change things. Ammo help her s1 trigger 4 times more during indom because no reload

Also LB and core ofc.

[tropic summit]

all of that still on single buff or you assuming double?

[swift mango]

Double buff ReiT will wipe Nero team easily ofc... Assuming max skill

[tropic summit]

mhm

[lusty gull]

you already know what would happens with double buff

[tropic summit]

then the assumption above of invested reiT is assuming single buff indom

40atk ele, high core, maxed skill lvls

[swift mango]

+50% ATK and Max core is basically double buff with RH. If they max core her ofc and spend the rocks.

[tropic summit]

how realistic is that

1% of the playerbase?

[keen vapor]

Bastial silver rank

[tropic summit]

he doesn't waste time in this chat like some of us

[keen vapor]

[lusty gull]

looks like you underestimate my opponent, he's a big threat in our ca lol

[tropic summit]

well you've to understand people in Blood's general point of view have most nikke with high cores, high invest and very good OL rolls

he'd rather think about the 1-3% than the 97%

which is reasonable since he belongs to that 3%

dun wanna know how many rocks he threw on his scarlet

[swift mango]

I'm not. And my Scarlet suck. I justed wanted to depend ReiT.

My reiT only 40% Ele, 40%atk and enough ammo to barely not reload during indom with bastion. Only MLB. So basically average.

[tropic summit]

[lusty gull]

hmm, wrei is really strong, i never say the opposite

in fact, i don't understand why they are only few deck with her now

[tropic summit]

i ran her twice in 2 CAs

both times against noah 2RL with noise

i never got a single good match with her in later stages of CA

[shell hazel]

smol rei?

[tropic summit]

reiT

[shell hazel]

ah. my issue is LB0 😄

[tropic summit]

her damage output is good but cancer RNG all the time

[shell hazel]

forever, in a dps not so good

[lusty gull]

yes but ca is about building a strategy with 5 teams not only one

[shell hazel]

I don't see many running her in my sets either

[tropic summit]

the other teams were fine but her matchups always got counters, just my usual experience anyway

[lusty gull]

that's the point

[tropic summit]

like running noah in p1 gets you siren'ed, noah in p2 gets you soda'ed

noah in p5 and still soda'ed

[swift mango]

My only guaranteed win yesterday with ReiT.

[tropic summit]

but really i've just cancer in CA anyway so i stopped caring

i threw a dice to reshuffle team ordering, still got scarlet against noah and noah against soda

[lusty gull]

i build with a strategy, focus on something, if it can helps

[tropic summit]

i already know what to do but i don't wanna invest in either soda or nero/moran or SG teams

waiting for that accident-like emilia to release and work from there

[shell hazel]

what are you investing in?

[tropic summit]

i've a feeling nero is gonna get powercreeped soon

[shell hazel]

she might do, it's a risk

[tropic summit]

nothing

[shell hazel]

I consider I got resources I may as well invest em somewhere

[tropic summit]

just saving and waiting for new chapters and new things

[shell hazel]

I don't think we get too many new pvp units to invest in over time, I've caught up on a lot (minus rolls using rocks)

rocks are the real waiting room

[tropic summit]

ye but there's no motivation for me to invest

CA is not remotively fun for me, SParena is stale, rookie is meaningless

campaign i'm gapped by CP and waiting

tower same issue

[swift mango]

[shell hazel]

i'm, at 27-24 and it hurts 😦

itai desu

[umbral belfry]

@acoustic light just realized we totally missed out on you being surrounded by 3 different types of pies

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-cute-lewd-gif-13929312

[shell hazel]

I saw persona 5 x is trying to speedrun EOS 😄

[umbral belfry]

what happened

[tropic summit]

doesn't surprise me

[umbral belfry]

yknow I never did finish rerolling

[shell hazel]

new units won't get to standard banners until half annis lol

[tropic summit]

take a good game, a good cast, a good gameplay loop and turn it into the worst money model and game model

[shell hazel]

at least the ones that are meant to go to standard

[tropic summit]

i've read also how they stop your progression with level barriers

[shell hazel]

also we still missing some stuff off the beginner plan thing that china had

[tropic summit]

and how the skills work with the persona you can use

glad i didn't even try it so far

[shell hazel]

yeah it's becoming too much work for too little reward perhaps

[umbral belfry]

Anything persona 5 related and mobile games is doomed to be EoS

[tropic summit]

maybe it will get to 2026

[shell hazel]

the other issue (for me) is that the persona game time management doesn't really matter

the games had a deadline, you had to do a certain number of actions in a certain amount of time

[tropic summit]

although i'm glad, let it be a lesson to not turn to gacha with actual good games

[shell hazel]

and this game as it's gacha/no end you don't have any sense of urgency

[remote sphinx]

hope you don't mind me asking again. havent been by in a while, got some pvp units to slot in, mainly noah, rumani, centi, cindy, rapunzel, noise from what you mentioned. also full roster pic and my sp arena teams are basically untouched from what i got last time

[eager mountain]

and yet we playin gacha…

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/rocky-rocky-balboa-ok-ok-hand-gif-18127128139849123845

[tropic summit]

you call it playing spending 15 mins to speedrun things so you can play something else?

[umbral belfry]

if nikke ever collabs with p5 just know nikke's time is nigh

[shell hazel]

@tropic summit core 1 Soda

[tropic summit]

time to stun

[remote sphinx]

nr1 spook from everywhere :')

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/stun-grenade-risk-of-rain2item-gifs-risk-of-rain2-ror2-gif-27013151

[swift mango]

I mean, aggressive banner is fine so long as people willing to spend.

[eager mountain]

so that we can yap

[shell hazel]

the problem is there is accelerated banners and no extra pull income or anything

[tropic summit]

gacha shouldn't exist, gamers let it happen and get worse and worse and here we are with double limited banners becoming a thing

as i said earlier today, a dog biting its own tail

keep spending money = oh hey look at these, we can milk them harder

[shell hazel]

they sucked us in Rail, to the gacha world 😦

[tropic summit]

surely

[eager mountain]

I mean u can get a copy of most Nikke day 1

[tropic summit]

in the sea of gacha there are some titles that are worth some time at least, those that actually let you play the game at least

and possibly for longer than 15 mins a day

[shell hazel]

dunno I still don't have everyone 😮

[tropic summit]

noah, centi, rumani and noise in synchro

centi noah rumani 4/4/4, 2OL

for the rest box doesn't offer much to improve, helmT also missing

[swift mango]

Take the Love and Deep space for example.

100% banners are limited. Nothing standard except the initial basic cards. And they add free event cards into the standard pool.

They give out tons of standard pulls but those are for free cards pool anyway.

End game players get maxed 54 limited pulls every 2 months F2P from renewable sources. And a banner needs an average of 150 pulls to get anything good from them.

So F2P needs to save 6 months for one banner.

But it still makes 60 million a month and top the gacha revenue.

[tropic summit]

that's because a very good chunk of the players are spenders

taking the trap right in the rear

and enjoying it too

which sends the following sign: milk em harder

[remote sphinx]

ye waiting on sync cd and helm is avoiding me still

[tropic summit]

oke, once those 4 are ready anyway you can probably set up 2 proper teams and 1 cp pad

just ping again once you're set

[swift mango]

So I mean, so long as players are willing to spend, aggressive banner policy is the right way and not the sign of EoS.

[remote sphinx]

2ol just any random 2?

[tropic summit]

true, just gotta make the audience willing to spend.

generally a good pair of cheeks or good looking abs is enough

[tropic summit]

generally head and chest

afterward arm and last legs

[swift mango]

For tanking head and Body.

For Dps, Arm and head.

Boots can be booted.

[remote sphinx]

ok im out of rocks but i got synchro slots for them i actually need more anyways

[tropic summit]

ye we talking about noah, centi, rumani, noise here

[remote sphinx]

skills done, gear will be done this week

what about the comps

[tropic summit]

hmmmmmm

[swift mango]

Not if you never pull a Pilgrim forever.

[eager mountain]

🥇 🎫

[swift mango]

idk when Elegg is coming...

how many hours?

[shell hazel]

we need pilgrim overspec limited 0.5% banners in nikke

that you can't use mileage on

[swift mango]

That cost 500 mileage a unit

[tropic summit]

jackal sbs blanc siren centi
naga anchoriM cindy bsoda rumani
alice drake crown rrh liter (temp CP pad)

quantum lvl 1 on anchorIM bsoda and rumani

[shell hazel]

the longer you wait the more the mileage costs goes up by

[remote sphinx]

what am i missing from a 3rd team? is it the before mentioned biscuit, scarlet, helm type nikkes?

[tropic summit]

helmT trina and biscuit would indeed help

also notice i didn't use noah yet

[remote sphinx]

ah to the backburner then

ran out of gear xp also xd

[tropic summit]

the thing here is you don't wanna kill CP too much

but you also need to invest in pve first

if and only if your kraken and campaign team are fully done, then bother finishing up your pvp utilities

[remote sphinx]

yea just wanna get something ok going

pve is not doing bad just rocks and missing purple dolls imo

got a cindy today random standard banner pull

so got her up

[eager mountain]

56min

[tropic summit]

15min

[eager mountain]

?

[tropic summit]

oh you don't know that one

[remote sphinx]

how big are dolls (just blue for now) for the pvp units? and do cubes on others matter or just slap on whatever for arena

[tropic summit]

dolls is pretty huge impact, especially because of damage reduction and CP boost combined

cubes try to get resil high due to pve needs, as for pvp you'll want quantum on 7 and temperance after

[remote sphinx]

im at 7resil+bast atm 2-3 rest from random upgrades

tyvm

[tropic summit]

you welcome

[signal hull]

Speaking of Temperance, how high should I upgrade it? :/ Or as much as possible? o_o

[gritty ridge]

Ive got a question

[tropic summit]

https://discord.com/channels/946719263866101821/946720097031045161

[gritty ridge]

Nah its for pvp

[tropic summit]

https://discord.com/channels/946719263866101821/1177116972593463316

[gritty ridge]

Thx ill go there

[tropic summit]

yeah someone will reply to you there

[gritty ridge]

But I was wondering if Noah can be used as effectively without bisc?

[tropic summit]

7 or 10 as main thresholds

[tropic summit]

yes noise rumani cindy helmt noah

with noise taunt priority (lower CS% than noah), it makes noah avoid siren stun even if siren is used in p1 or p2

although it will still be weak to soda p1 or p2

[swift mango]

what one?

[tropic summit]

was a New World joke

you're not missing out on much, just a dumb old thing

[gritty ridge]

Cuz ive got my helm bay jackal team which is my big number team til I get scarlet

[swift mango]

7 or 8 or 11. No point stop at 10

[gritty ridge]

But Noah biscuit are very slow together with cindy so I wanted some options

[tropic summit]

let him get to 7 then we'll see