pvp-arena

[crystal flicker]

We have the frame, just make for loop and add damage calculator

[restive willow]

38-24-16 = -6, which is -3*2, checks out

[umbral crown]

[crystal flicker]

It'll be interesting to see in practice Blanc against 2RL Scarlet

[restive willow]

I've had good results using blanc in 5SG speed. Best case those shotguns die off before blanc burst, worst case a shotgun gets indom, but with a good enough shotgun you can wipe scarlet teams anyway

[keen vapor]

:deadge:

[restive willow]

loses out against 15CS 2RL though

[crystal flicker]

It's hard to survive Scarlet vs SG

[eager mountain]

just mess with crits and assume enemy doesnt have any ol lines

[crystal flicker]

That's the issue

[eager mountain]

those are like 2 of hundred potential issues

if they want it this bad they can still make it...

tho frame calc already took 2.5+ yr

[crystal flicker]

That's main issue though, inaccurate data and rng

I did make combat sim for univ exam years ago

[eager mountain]

literally have to go thru how every passive works to get accurate behavior... frames of which move hits heals etc, just really hard for it to be accurate

[restive willow]

Now take ammo into account with covering

or the brief reload stance of RL and SR that can sometimes dodge projectiles

[crystal flicker]

Oh speaking of dodge proc

My SG went against Defender Biscuit X Alice Defender, and DrakeT Nuke Alice somehow

in CA

[oblique ridge]

Cheer validation time. Any helpful cooks? 🧑‍🍳

[pseudo arch]

Has anyone got some meta defense for sp?

[oblique ridge]

R1: W

• Assumes kills Noah before Noah burst.
  R2: W
• Assumes stall is good enough to survive and win.
  R3: W
• Assumes Scarlet fueled by Red Hood B1 and Trina is good enough to wipe Cindy before dying to Cindy burst
  R4: W
• Looks like both teams are slow, Cindy will wipe all but Moran then gang up on Moran for 10+ seconds
  R5: W
• If Rosanna can't burst-kill BScarlet, it's presumably gg

Plausible shutout by the Attacking side.

• Even if 2 calls are wrong (R1, R2, and R3 are risky calls), still win
• I guess R4 call is also risky (Cindy rng can waste a lot of dmg on Moran and Anis)

I have no choice but to cheer for Attacking side if I want a winning cheer, and prayge

[oblique ridge]

Devil's advocate...
R1: L

• Because enemy team is heavily chspd invested, Noah will easily burst before dying
  R2: ?
• Unclear
  R3: L
• Because Cindy will survive and kill everyone
  R4: W
  R5: W

Still not convincing enough to make me doubt the cheer because

• I feel like Cindy would be killed by Scarlet AoE nuke
• I can't bet on Moran and Anis rng saving SAnis from dying to Cindy
• R5 feels like a certain win unless Rosanna crits
  • Base 15% chance to crit, so low odds and low chances of insane OL rolls
    • Crit still might not kill BScarlet, and XMaiden is the 2nd highest ATK once Emilia dies, which should be safe

[crystal flicker]

This should take care of them, I didn't check for deficit anymore but I believe it's enough

[forest zodiac]

thanks, appreciated

[crystal flicker]

There's chances Emi kills SG w/o burst

[pseudo arch]

Can you guys please help me create a new sp def, I got a decent built Nero 10/7/7 but idk what to give her on the OL

[crystal flicker]

T1: Emi La+ potentially kill DrakeT BSoda b4 burst
T2: Scarlet single Nuke, idk if that's enough to wipe (Blanc vs Moran cancel each other)
T3: Scarlet should wipe with Trina RH
T4: There's case where SAnis survive Cindy Nuke with Biscuit
T5: ScarBS reach 2RL from feeds

SAnis ref: #pvp-arena message
You can watch yesterday match for Emi La+ to see if they're strong enough

[crystal flicker]

You can try 3x 2RL Comp with Scarlet 2RL, Cindy 2RL and Emi 2RL
Nero need good burst gen to be viable in SP

[pseudo arch]

Tysm!

[crystal flicker]

RH also viable instead of Rapu, if your Emi have 25% CS

[pseudo arch]

Do I need anyone with high cs? I have Emi at 25 rh at 17 and anis at 17 but that’s it

[crystal flicker]

Are you sure you have 4x Black Blue Emi

[pseudo arch]

Oh then not

[oblique ridge]

Nice, thanks

This means Siren stunned Noah?

[crystal flicker]

CS is rounded, so you need like 23% from OL alone + 2% from cubes + S1 Lv 10, to get 38% CS Emi

[crystal flicker]

Yes, otherwise SAnis wont have that recovery

[spiral onyx]

When it was first cooked it was overkill cause it used up too many important units in a limited pool of units, making it extremely difficult to build out your remaining 4 other teams. Since then we've gotten a couple more clip RLs to fill the speed gaps so now there's a lot more flexibility

We are almost at the point where we can cleanly do 2RL x 5 teams

Without littering clip SGs everywhere that is

[atomic wolf]

@tropic summit should thinking about setting up my def hes just trading tbh

Note i tested and noah can survive on her own btw

[shut acorn]

whats a good Emilia team for pvp

[spiral onyx]

As of the moment, if you take the top 25 burst gen units and add together their 2RL burst gen values, you get a total of 515%. This means that just simply slapping together the top 25 burst gen units, you can make 5 teams of 2RL, no prob. They won't be functional teams of course, but you can.

Now instead of top 25, lets take a look at the top 20, since on each team you'll likely have at least one key unit who has low burst gen. Top 20 is 465% burst gen, or 484% with quantum cubes. That means the remaining 5 units only need to have 3.2% burst gen (e.g. anything except MGs) and you'll meet your 2RL requirements.

If you pick only the top 15 units and slap Quantum on them, you have a total of 376% burst gen. The remaining 10 units need to have an average of 12.4% burst gen. Unfortunately regular RLs only have 11.2% burst gen at 2RL speed, so this means each team will effectively need 3 or more burst gen batteries. But as we get more clip RLs or units like Helm+ or Emilia or Pascal or XMaiden, that gap becomes smaller and smaller and you'll have far more freedom of building 5 teams of 3 batteries + 2 low gen but meta units.

This, all, keep in mind, is excluding the pseudo-2RL team comp that is Rosanna-SGs. If we factor in that, you now only need to build 4 teams

Take the top 12 units from the chart to represent 3 batteries in each of the 4 teams. Thats 320% burst gen. The remaining 80% needs to be covered by 8 units, meaning 10% burst gen each. Which is very much possible given regular RLs are 11.2% and there's still 5 clip SGs and Laplace+ available to fill as an optional 4th battery to let you get away with meta but low burst gen units such as Moran, Blanc, Cinderella, etcv.

of course just having 2RL speed doesn't always mean the best comp. Like from testing Ive found a 2.5RL Blanc Scarlet comp works plenty fine and more or less has the same performance as a 2RL Blanc Scarlet comp

But ultimate the point I guess Im trying to make is that we've been getting more and more high burst gen battery units that now give you far more freedom to cook 5 fast teams with for CA. And some of them, like Trina and Helm+, dual-purpose serve as both a battery and a core part of the team. And so the "too expensive" part slowly becomes less relevant as we get more choices and can start being able to afford putting together "expensive" teams

Introduce two more Helm+'s and we'll see some very interesting setups

[/rant]

[shell hazel]

more batteries good but I'd also like to see more defensive options as well that work well

[spiral onyx]

On an unrelated note, interesting potential new SG cook

[shell hazel]

mari seems like the main diff there to my usual CA one, but the b2 with that feels pretty flexible

I grabbed a copy on the eva re-run but she's not built and only LB0

[spiral onyx]

Without Rosanna boost this falls short of 3RL but I think if a SG team is unable to kill by 3RL time it has already failed

The idea is that if Mari is able to secure a kill via the B2 AoE rather than waiting for the B3 AoE, there's maybe a much higher chance of success

[covert lintel]

Give her 4x def if you pvp malder

[shell hazel]

interesting, she's natively pretty slow though, I guess if your mari is built you can run but building her for this one reason is high invest for me

[spiral onyx]

Yes this is a high investment build setup because you need to gear up your Mari and attack OL lines

But all my cooks usually require high investment

[shell hazel]

haha very true

[spiral onyx]

If they only need low investment, everyone would be running them and there'd be nothing left to cook

[shell hazel]

I saw your response about biscuit on nero team, I think my question was more why run her on that team vs someone else? if you lose biscuit to the nero team you can't run another biscuit comp

most of the nero/moran comps I see in my brackets are HelmT | Rapu | Flex with flex being xMaiden/LapT etc. not seen anyone trying biscuit there before yours 😛

though my bracket is still a newer one comparitively so I guess we run what works

[spiral onyx]

so there's some specific history behind this that may not apply to others

I did some analysis of my past CA fights

and Ive noticed that ironically, my SAnis team has the worst win rate

its 2.5RL and even though historically it was strong due to its continual damage from SAnis, in the new world of dolls + Tempering, SAnis actually sometimes isnt enough

so the Helm team replaced my SAnis team, which was already using Biscuit and Moran

previously which I was unwilling to break apart

[shell hazel]

I see, I'm trying to decide what I want to send next CA still, usually I wind up pairing biscuit with SBS/Blanc for indom but that comp has it's own issues

most don't run scarlet indom in my CA at the top, they 2RL scarlet and blanc SBS indom

which match?

[nimble swan]

We are in the same bracket and I just run into one in group phase.
I didn’t even notice first, only when I was checking why did I lose that matchup

Nero moran biscuit

First time I ever saw it

[nimble swan]

I’m now actually considering this.
After seeing scarlet teams poorly performing

[shell hazel]

sbs? yeah not so great, my normal scarlet is basically undefeated lol

[nimble swan]

Nah my normal Scarlet teams were poorly performing but I always put jackal elsewhere. But had to realize that team needs jackal

[shell hazel]

works best with jackal, works alright without her if you're quick enough

[nimble swan]

I run into sg too often with it and

It’s getting beaten ofc

I’m curious though, is your nero moran 2.5RL or 3RL?

[shell hazel]

it's not quite 2.5RL I need a bit more CS on helmT but working on it

my scarlet has only lost one match since going 2RL

[grim grove]

Is there any way to see the enemies attacking team and not their defense

[nimble swan]

Nope

[nimble swan]

That’s a super good ratio

[shell hazel]

yeah it's been my best performing team, in fact it only lost to an expensive fast sbs indom (with jackal and centi as battery)

bad counter

[nimble swan]

How should it fare against nero moran with proper investments but 3RL?

[shell hazel]

we'll find out today lol

CA5 I was trying a totally diff team with scar so won't count it

[nimble swan]

Ah I see lol

[shell hazel]

yeah I am not convinced but we'll see...

#pvp-arena message

[nimble swan]

I’ve been hesitating if I should run nero moran now that I’m good investment wise, but don’t have enough CS

[shell hazel]

my top 16 match today and I don't give myself more than 50% odds of winning it

CA7 so far, these don't always have ultimate meaning though, my SG comp just had bad counters / was on attack most of the time

and I could lose today 5-0 lol

I mainly need to roll better CS on helmT for stall comp to be 2.5RL natively, I have some rocks to do it with but I'm awaiting the livestream to see what new treasures we get

[nimble swan]

I checked your matchup. I think you’ll win but it will be close

[shell hazel]

I don't think I do sadly, although if i lose hopefully it's just 3-2 😛

[nimble swan]

We’ll se lol

Interesting to see anchor in sg team

[shell hazel]

yeah I was just trialling it, it's the flex spot so you can run her or naga or similar

[nimble swan]

I did run that comp when I didn’t have viper

[shell hazel]

I lack viper still, main one I am missing

[nimble swan]

Oh, I saw you got rumani though lol

I just can’t get the last copy for laplace

So no tr so far

[shell hazel]

yeah I did, I even got Rumani again haha

missing viper and crust from ordinary recruits

[nimble swan]

I’m now running maiden in p1 and my sg was doing well

Just got viper recently

I just need a bit more investment on rosa

Tbh I can’t say I was lucky, I just made it out of group stage after like 5x 2nd places always losing to 3-2 to someone

First opponent I get is corleone

[shell hazel]

think I faced that guy before

recognise the name, think they pretty invested/built

[nimble swan]

Yeah definitely, he has a good chance winning current CA imo

Already beat last winner, right after me

[nimble swan]

Your sbs indom was doing pretty well as T3

[shell hazel]

yeah beats worse teams basically lol

and any SG team will die against it due to biscuit lock def

[nimble swan]

I’m running it too as t5 with xmaiden

Exactly for being anti sg

I thought it’s like 3.5RL with rumani though

[shell hazel]

I dunno if it ran into a SG team yet though

[nimble swan]

I rechecked your matchup and you might be right, lol sorry

[shell hazel]

oh it did in quals, I beat a SG team there, lost to a 2RL scarlet

[nimble swan]

I lost to bit faster mirror

[shell hazel]

yeah it's an unfortunate set of matchups

[golden tiger]

Glorious 1600.

[shell hazel]

my team 5 I won't stun scarlet with siren, meanwhile their siren stuns my noise meaning I probably die to t5

[golden tiger]

Scarlet / Trina / Red Hood / Helm (T) / Jackal

beaten by: 3RL or faster invuln teams.

[nimble swan]

I’m almost sure you’ll win that though, you burst before the stun and noah will block the nuke

If it’s 2.5RL

They don’t have jackal

[shell hazel]

I don't think it will be fast enough

my t4 maybe scarlet wins it but it's single buff vs somewhat invested stall

I did see they lost that last time to a double buffed scarlet but mine isn't, might not one shot enough to win

there will be some rng to these matches I think

I should beat sg at t2 mine is better invested

[nimble swan]

You are defending, i’m pretty sure you win that

[shell hazel]

they beat the last guy 3-2 which is a shame, because I think I had better odds against that guy 😄

[nimble swan]

Raven… I still need to get my revenge lol. My first ever loss after group stage first CA season was against that guy

Iirc i would have won current setup

I was running 2RL moran bay this season and that team won all matches. I decided i run it because I had like no CS on nero team

[shell hazel]

yeah it's not a bad comp to run I think, nero one needs a lot more investment

[nimble swan]

Yeah might keep it for next season, will depend on investment

[eager mountain]

we dont have 2 emi btw
tbh putting 3 2rl teams in spA is hard enough cuz those team are mostly borderline functional
18cs helm emi "2.5"rl team looks good on paper but can only realistically cast b1 before 2rl b3... b1s are just not nearly as decisive as b2

and ofc... 2.5rl helm scar nuke can be stopped by most 3rl noah, 18cs helm would lose to 11cs 3rl, 3 cs tier gap to win is too much of a investment diff

[spiral onyx]

oops I thought I removed the dupes xD

But general point still stands. Half a year ago more than 2 practical 2RL teams was a pipe dream. Now 3 or 4 is very much possible. After 2-3 more clip RL units, it'll be common-place

[rich ledge]

Haha he could break through until I swapped the teams around then defense success

Until he figures out the order again haha

[swift mango]

"half ai"

5 defender team be like: "I won't get you defender to half hp before I nuke your ass"

If you got champ without biscuit it would be rad.
I got champ without Cindy before but can't imagine doing it without biscuit.

Get you HelmT CS to 25% and hope the enemy doesn't do the same with their 2rl team.

No it's not. My HelmT has 18% and can't block exactly 2rl scar wipe.

[tropic summit]

T1 scar-siren
T2 2RL bsoda
T3 2.5RL noah

[atomic wolf]

nice

[worthy knoll]

6 HelmT shots in 2.5 RL time? Thats too OP

My Helm can only do 2 shots in 2 RL time

[atomic wolf]

unfortunately anis still dies too fast

so its time to swap lap out

@tropic summit for viper vs laplace who is stronger?

[tropic summit]

why were you running scarlet mirror tho

that's an enemy team where you want 2RL noah or 2RL bay

noise rumani helmt bay laplace
noah biscuit cindy helm rumani

since they're running indom you can also go 2RL stall/sustain

[atomic wolf]

no, he will though

i'm just testing out various cases to make him lose some gems fighting me

[tropic summit]

well in that case that team is a direct counter

rosanna is anti scar-jackal

even without sacc, she'd kill because she's B1 on 2RL

[atomic wolf]

noah and helm is too much resources unfortunately

noise rumani would work had not for me not having noise

[tropic summit]

oof

there's an alternative tho

less effective than running noise but it serves nearly same purpose against glass cannon scarlet

[atomic wolf]

that could work

[tropic summit]

you can move rapu in p1 if you feel a tad more risky but it allows a possible rapunzel stun

[atomic wolf]

in fact my moran bay team hadn't lost against his scarlet rosanna once so

if he strikes back again which is in an.hour since he checks rhe game every hour

i can swap and test again

oh yeah fun fact my 3rl moran bay team won against his 3rl cindy

if he allocated to 2rl he would still hsve lost either way since he is dedicating too much resources on the others

after this shit show I'm gonna do nero sr15

simply out of boredom, but I have to finish rosanna/soda/lap/viper OL0 first

[tropic summit]

2.5RL nero moran could give trouble to people who're just brute forcing

not a bad idea to finish that setup

[atomic wolf]

then I can do nero doll while finishing others OLs

which means its time to start my second backup strategy

[swift mango]

@tropic summit @umbral belfry

The newbie luck is real. I got the limited unit in the 20 free pull the game gave. Now I feel like I have to farm 70 pulls for the guaranteed pick up character next before I uninstall.

[placid bloom]

Uninstall? He didn’t even flirt with you yet

[swift mango]

I need to make space to try out other games

Phone has limited space

LADS taking 30gb doesn't help.

[unique wagon]

Tf is this game

Its just 10 people with different looks

[swift mango]

The boy collection game that tops the gacha revenue chart in the last year. Surpassing Girl collection game sometime.

https://www.reddit.com/r/LoveAndDeepspace/comments/1l0qf81/lads_just_topped_the_charts_gacha_revenue_monthly/

[swift mango]

Actually only 5. And that's enough for them to earn 60M$ a month.

The fan girls are pretty crazy in CN. They hired bus, plane and cruise ship to celebrate character birthday with other fans.

[swift mango]

Honkai Impact also only had like 7 characters in the first 2 years with different version.

And I heard about that game named "epic seven" also only have 7 characters to gacha

[tropic summit]

need to get laid first with one of the husbando, get the whole experience then uninstall

[swift mango]

I don't think they have that function. I see kissing but that function would make it r18+

[tropic summit]

oh they've kissing

well that's already something at least

nothing making it seem like they go further behind black screens at all?

[swift mango]

No one wants their gacha being R18+ these days because it makes less money

[tropic summit]

that's true, less audience access and some are turned off from that

[swift mango]

Who know. There is that tender moment mode I haven't tried yet.

[tropic summit]

don't forget to wear protection

or all of a sudden we gonna have to call you papa blood

[swift mango]

I think it's essentially with hug and kiss but nothing beyond.

[tropic summit]

the shoujo kind of fanservice i see

[raven plover]

I think at mlb or max bond or something the char will give you asmr

its why it makes a lot of money

[tropic summit]

nikke could learn from that

bathe in the money by releasing ASMR for the most popular nikke

[swift mango]

darn I forgot to log in to bet....

[tawny vine]

solved that problem by never betting CA

[swift mango]

https://tenor.com/view/off-to-hang-myself-harm-to-self-suicide-gif-15123277

[swift mango]

I still haven't get my silver better frame yet.

I feel like an dumbass now.

[hollow lagoon]

what evil is this

[swift mango]

Just cross down

[keen vapor]

You still can

Till the current hour ends

[swift mango]

the betting closed 1 hour before the result and 1 more hour to confirm result.

[keen vapor]

[swift mango]

you can't

[shell hazel]

20 mins to confirm I lost

[keen vapor]

[swift mango]

https://tenor.com/view/off-to-hang-myself-harm-to-self-suicide-gif-15123277

[shell hazel]

you had 1 job blood 😮

is crit rate good for rumani?
-# cope

[swift mango]

It would be funny if when I got my 30th champ reward, I still hadnt gotten the silver cheer frame and keep losing the Credit boxes every season to cheer the losers.

[keen vapor]

Wait, this doesn't makes any sense

It can't kill him, it has the right length to reach the floor before

[swift mango]

[swift mango]

If you have the will to ded you will find a way.

[keen vapor]

It shouldn't succeed

[swift mango]

You could suicide with a paper if you have enough will.

[umbral belfry]

we made it

[shell hazel]

we won!

[umbral belfry]

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/hyouka-chitanda-eru-oreki-houtarou-fukube-satoshi-ibara-mayaka-gif-21980466

[umbral belfry]

w clutch

[swift mango]

@worldly osprey
I told you that you would win this.

You will always stun my Blanc.

It's 100% the chance not 40%

[shell hazel]

t1 - stall comp lost
t2 - sg comp won
t3 - indom comp won
t4 - single buffed scar couldn't beat invested stall
t5 - man I didn't lose anyone carved them up on cindy comp

indom actually fired on sbs as well lol

I'll post the recordings in a few hours when I get back from work

[unique mountain]

[umbral belfry]

@shell hazel

clutch moran

[atomic wolf]

ok funny question any replacement for rapunzel

[swift mango]

Yeah, mistake by not making Cindy P1. And It's 3rd time in a round my burst 2 got stunned by Soda, doesn't even need a taunt.

[rich ledge]

what is the counter for this team for rookie?

[tropic summit]

noah biscuit cind helm rumani

[rich ledge]

no noah?

[tropic summit]

read.

if no noah:

rumani noise helm bay laplace

[umbral belfry]

@dense kindle confirmed that helms nuke hits concealed rosa

[tropic summit]

didn't we go over this already yesterday

[rich ledge]

oh man my bay and laplace not built not enough dupes to make treasure laplace

[tropic summit]

sbs helm blanc centi/rumani/trina jackal

[rich ledge]

we were trying for SP

[dense kindle]

No more hiding

[rich ledge]

oo this i can do

[tropic summit]

run temperance on blanc

she needs to live to 2RL against scar s2s

[shell hazel]

Moran OP 😮

[tropic summit]

nvm that's a rosanna

[tropic summit]

it won't work

[rich ledge]

i need to use some all defender team and some sac attackers?

[tropic summit]

try this slow team and facetank scarlet nuke on cindy

run temperance on cindy

[umbral belfry]

[rich ledge]

hmm will having noise be better to help face tank?

[shell hazel]

my stall lost because I killed SBS and RH got the B3 instead

[tropic summit]

i mean if it's rookie you can do w/e u want

[atomic wolf]

ok... so still the same thing, do i need to OL my laplace

[atomic wolf]

it's rookie just run memebuild

[umbral belfry]

we jinxed it happening yesterday oops

[shell hazel]

nero and moran took a lot of damage 😄

[swift mango]

@worldly osprey congrat

[rich ledge]

hmm sac mihara and helm and then burst with the rest?

[atomic wolf]

lmao

[tropic summit]

ye you should, she has plenty of usage, from nero moran team to usual 2RL stalls or other applications

[dim sapphire]

Can rosa burst be taunted?

[atomic wolf]

it happens too fast afaik

it works exactly like helm burst

[umbral belfry]

well helms burst can be taunted, but for rosa idk

[atomic wolf]

this requires their team to be slow enough for noah to get her passive on

[raven plover]

why ros lost her concealment before your b2 kicks in

[placid bloom]

taunted by who

[worldly osprey]

damn i didnt think my rossan was that strong i thought i would lose team 2 3 4

[placid bloom]

if it's p2 Ros getting hit by taunt charge shot then yes

[dense kindle]

https://tenor.com/view/bob-ross-painter-painting-beauty-is-everywhere-gif-17574935

[placid bloom]

if it's 2RL Moran Idk

[umbral belfry]

not my team good sir but good question

[dim sapphire]

What about If enemy side only have one attacker, who rosa target as the second one?

[rich ledge]

rosanna will chose 2 highest attack attacker?

or any 2 attacker?

[umbral belfry]

2 attackers starting from rosa's position I believe

[placid bloom]

2 highest Atk attacker, or left to right if no attacker

[tropic summit]

#pvp-arena message

from post above:

More than 2 attackers
Goes on the priority of order P1- P5, first come first serve basis

[swift mango]

My Emi and HelmT were water. It was a free win.

[placid bloom]

wait nvm Ros burst doesn't care about Atk stat, only dispel

[dim sapphire]

attacker p2 ~> p1 but never p2 ~> p3?

[placid bloom]

if it's attacker it hits p1 + attacker, regardless of where attacker is

[swift mango]

When I used Soda+Scar, I had 100% lose rate to Bay and Blanc 2RL

When it's turn for my 2rl Bay/Blanc, I have 100% lose rate to Soda.

It's just how my luck works.

[worldly osprey]

do u have temp cube on them ?

[placid bloom]

you could have attacker p3, p4, or p5 and it will still hit p1 on the other hit

[rich ledge]

so for this their rosanna will kill my mihara and helm, then my rosanna should kill their scarlet and rosanna, means they wont be able to burst with scarlet but will burst with helm instead

[swift mango]

HelmT had vigor.

That's it

[rich ledge]

but then their helm will attack my cindy and I cant burst hmm

[placid bloom]

no your Centi will die because your Mihara already dead

[worldly osprey]

my rossan cant kill this helm. maybe have temp lv 8 and max core

[rich ledge]

mihara probably will not die until rosanna bursts?

[atomic wolf]

@tropic summit hmm

[swift mango]

The worst thing is that I predicted you would win right but forgot to cheer the whole day.

[tropic summit]

why is your anti scarlet team against enemy cindy?

[atomic wolf]

anis still dies too fast im figuring out how to counteract it bc there is no team that can be 2rl while not killing anis

[atomic wolf]

i havent fought yet im just sending

[placid bloom]

you're not bursting if Mihara doesn't die though, your team is 3RL

and you are swinging into 2RL Scarlet

[tropic summit]

to not kill anis early you need multiple snipers and that's only on attack

[swift mango]

[rich ledge]

because opponent has rosanna which should trigger 1st and kill mihara before scarlet gets to burst

their b1 rosanna kills mihara -> trigger my burst to start as well?

[atomic wolf]

that sucks

[tropic summit]

my honest tip is: stop playing his game

waste of time going back and forth, defense will always lose

[atomic wolf]

i'll stop after this one yeah

[tropic summit]

go meme build with 2 stun teams and 1 w/e 2.5RL

[atomic wolf]

i realized i have to invest further into this, if i REALLY want to make him suffer i will have to play the waiting game and strengthen my team

[tropic summit]

scar-siren 2RL
soda 2RL
2.5RL nero moran

[atomic wolf]

since he has lost to me like

every single time now, this is where i'll give him the win

then i will double down on wasting his time even further

[tropic summit]

i think the real win here is just ignoring him

[atomic wolf]

for what tbh

he got top 3

99% of gamblers quit before they hit big

but yeah i'll ignore him for now

its not the type of game where you can win right away, just gonna take some time waiting for gears after this

[tropic summit]

the only one winning in pvp is SU, not the players

[atomic wolf]

true

[placid bloom]

it's okay, after another year of shuffles surely you will both be knocked out of top 4 and then your rivalry will end

[tropic summit]

players are motivated to spend to get an edge on the others, and spending only benefits the company

[atomic wolf]

sincei got my guaranteed top 4 into CA, it doesnt matter

[tropic summit]

ya pretty much

[atomic wolf]

i can't be knocked off top 4, i haven't lost once into CA and i genuinely say this as someone who had bracket full of annoying people

[worldly osprey]

if soda not stun blanc. jackal will have indom (or lap, i cant see the hp bar). but soda stun blanc 4/4 times. really bad luck

[tropic summit]

hit him before reset and force him to spend gems when he goes 2-2

[atomic wolf]

nice

[tropic summit]

for the rest just detach from nikke and play something actually worth ur time

[atomic wolf]

yeah im not watching it 24/24 anyways

[tropic summit]

don't entertain this toxicity anymore and you'll be much happier imo

[atomic wolf]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1070723803598037062.webp?size=48&name=kekw i think you got it wrong, i am the one that started this

once again let me tell you that i started it and i accepted the mentality of winning by pure mental

so if i lose here it doesn't matter

[tropic summit]

4D chess

[atomic wolf]

i'll just come back anyways and since i'm on nikke for basically only daily now while stuck on whale (just recently)

i'm on autopilot, which is why i felt the need to started this for the funny

[swift mango]

Like I said before, Blanc hit the lowest HP, not lowest HP%. My Jackal and LapT both have higher HP than ReiT. I don't make that rookie mistake.

They are linked together and take same amount of dmg. So Blanc always hit ReiT.

[atomic wolf]

a genuine example of this new bracket im facing

top 1/2 is lost (lmao) top 2 used to be top 1 that pays his way to win ahead of everyone despite having same game time as us but he quit

top 5/7/8 sometimes attack me, top 6 was previously my rival but he's prob gone now

the guy at top 4 had insane obsession with me and the people he fought previously in his bracket, from the looks of it dude has severe attention issue so I didnt pay him attention much just sometimes asking people to counter his piss poor built team, but now someone actually give him a decent team (except for one) he becomes annoying, but i still dont care much up to this point which i wanted to provoke him for entertainment

in general my time with bracket never fell out of top 4 like ever

which is a feat for an account that has not spend anything on

if i get to 400 sync it's 100% a free game for me because i will be able to sit on the top until they reshuffle me into an unbeatable bracket that has 80 sync ahead of us

[dense kindle]

Lore

[placid bloom]

how your bracket have similar CP to you, my bracket is already almost 1.4m while I am still 1.1m

[atomic wolf]

for now it is still a matter of cat and mouse where i sometimes fix my team which i didnt pay attention to much and some idiots think they can win off that

[atomic wolf]

lol

see its funny that the dude at top 2 QUIT the game

because now the bracket in the future will be less cancer

[umbral belfry]

@wet crystal my time to sleep has come this top 8 (again)

[worldly osprey]

hmm i see rei have like >3/4 and jackal >1/3 hp when soda stun. im not use blanc enough to know that. maybe u right

[atomic wolf]

if he is still playing the game who knows when top 1 will be acquired by another person, the new guy at top 1 will be reshuffled out of this instantly

[swift mango]

Yeah, I have 100% chance of enemy soda stuns my 2rl Bay, Blanc. And 0% chance my soda stuns 2rl Bay, Blanc.

It's true in like 7 fights I encountered this match up n CA.

[placid bloom]

well there will be replacements for them eventually as more people quit and only actives are left. Maybe it will take 1 year, maybe it will take 2. But we might not be playing by then either

[atomic wolf]

funny because soda is only useful when they match your speed

[wet crystal]

Group 8 Cup? Is it not gonna be a close match?

[swift mango]

That's why I said 2rl

Soda is only used in 2rl teams.

With Scarlet+trina

[atomic wolf]

i think 2.5 would work? but against instanuke team its not gonna be that easy

[shell hazel]

Hime. lock in!

[umbral belfry]

my t1 is cooked by default, t2 will be close, t3 I win, t4 mirror but look at the difference in investments 😭, t5 will also be close (but i might have doomed myself making this 2.5)

[umbral belfry]

I'm outinvested in mirrors, it's over

[shell hazel]

it's winner of 1 vs 2 right etc? I guess odds attacking and evens defending?

[atomic wolf]

resident what ☠️

[wet crystal]

[umbral belfry]

[atomic wolf]

ngl im too slow on progress, still at whale

[tropic summit]

[umbral belfry]

listen

[shell hazel]

like 1 | 2
3 | 4
5 | 6 etc?

[atomic wolf]

no excuse

[umbral belfry]

top 8 is gonna be my new top 33 curse i can feel it

[atomic wolf]

ok the positive is that

you did get top 1 once

the negative is that

[umbral belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/notbad-basketball-sports-athletics-competitive-gif-5437642

[atomic wolf]

you will most likely never get it again

[wet crystal]

Our bracket consists of only Pure Players, trust

[atomic wolf]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/712558205892296736.webp?size=48&name=OMEGALUL

[umbral belfry]

@atomic wolf I have hope

[tropic summit]

the things Hime is hiding in her closet I wonder

[atomic wolf]

i give up day 1..

[umbral belfry]

haven't been doing too terribly since then, i just keep getting gatekeep by ace or cup in top 8

[swift mango]

It's just you have bad eyes.

[atomic wolf]

its funny how i beat ace back then

that was a stupid clutch but what worked, did in fact, works

[umbral belfry]

w clutch

[atomic wolf]

if i return now i might not even be able to catch up to t16

[atomic wolf]

since i expect ppl already had a built nero moran team and similar

[umbral belfry]

me, next ca

[atomic wolf]

ok bro skill issue play better

[umbral belfry]

[atomic wolf]

nice progress

[umbral belfry]

[tropic summit]

nice RNG...

[swift mango]

0/7 mean Soda hate me.

[tropic summit]

clearly, you're not trying hard enough

[worldly osprey]

nvm my bad

[gritty ridge]

Rip

[swift mango]

I'm cheering for you. Go for it.

[gritty ridge]

I get 5 hours at d1 ig

[swift mango]

At least I have finally got my revenge with Scarlet against his Nero. Proving that RH was better than Soda which never stunned anything good for me outside of Noah taunt.

[umbral belfry]

only rngesus can save me now

[tropic summit]

le double buff

[lunar pawn]

good stuff @covert lintel

[naive crown]

I forgot, are novices able to post screenshots on this server?

[tropic summit]

anyone is

[naive crown]

Ah cool, can anyone please help me form teams for pvp 🙏

[tropic summit]

taking a look

[lunar pawn]

tell me someone already reviewed this

[rich ledge]

hmm this is 2RL but since noise taunts, will noise die to 2RL rosanna 1st or she can get to burst?

[gritty ridge]

How important is drake treasure? Im trying to figure out doll upgrade order

[worldly osprey]

I will not let you down

[lunar pawn]

very, for SG team in solo raid

[gritty ridge]

I didn't even use sg team this Sr, it wont be til like 2 more Sr when I get top 10%

[lunar pawn]

noise will burst before rosanna at same speed

[gritty ridge]

Im kinda worried im gonna get kicked out of top 30%

[tropic summit]

SP arena

scarlet blanc rh trina jackal
rumani centi cind helmt noise
noah biscuit rapu s.anis laplace

Rookie

scarl helmt blanc laplace jackal (assumes scarlet is jackal linked, being 1st or 2nd highest atk% OL included)

cubes

quantum on trina jackal
vigor on blanc, noise, biscuit, rapunzel
temperance on noah
resil on s.anis, s.anis must be lvl 9 burst minimun, no ammo OL
anyone else run highest lvl cube

raise CP on units marked, attached in second screen

[rich ledge]

hmm so noise can hopefully buff cindy before she gets killed by rosanna, so cindy can tank the scarlet nuke

[naive crown]

TY

[gritty ridge]

Oh yeah rail, think I could get my cindy bay team down to 2.5/2rl?

[covert lintel]

Did the left heavy investment ?

[tropic summit]

depends what you running and if the CS% allows you to hit the threshold

[empty cedar]

Bruh is really that clear for me to lose?

[tropic summit]

use this to find out in case, https://nikke-deck.web.app/

add the CS% and the quantum you've

[gritty ridge]

I think its hardstuck 3rl from what ive seen on the deck builder

[covert lintel]

Oh wait he's trying to get lose cheer

[gritty ridge]

Which is fine for now but ill need better eventually

Having cindy and siren same team is eating my speed away, especially with bay non clip

[tropic summit]

hmm there are options

[gritty ridge]

I forgot I had rumani

[tropic summit]

laplaceT can be a clip SG or xmaiden if needed

although it drastically reduces effectiveness against scarlet so avoid it if possible

[gritty ridge]

Yeah i was gonna say I dont have laplace

Also isnt xmaiden mg?

[tropic summit]

if you got no xmaiden or no laplaceT then you don't have a choice

[gritty ridge]

So its seeming ill have to trash the team for now

[gritty ridge]

Who am I thinking of

Seasonal mg

[tropic summit]

xmas maiden works fine because she's clip SG burst gen tier but actually an RL

[gritty ridge]

Yeah ill have to bring the bay team back with more invests later

[tropic summit]

got my first 9 * today

250k points more to clear the event

[lunar pawn]

hm?

[strong hull]

Im back with a bunch of B+ rating Gold Ship

[tropic summit]

growing a farm with them

[strong hull]

Oh yea i got a Legend B rating gold Ship also

[gritty ridge]

Getting p3 helm in 9 days will be helpful

[strong hull]

[rich ledge]

how does bay actually block a nuke? I dont really understand proportionally shares damage against a nuke everyone is still taking the same damage?

[tropic summit]

the initial hits are absorbed by cover, since scarlet nuke is a single hit, even with a tiny bit of cover, the remaining portion of the dmg is gone

[gritty ridge]

She also lowers dmg taken by a good bit on burst

[covert lintel]

Nvm i thought you were trying to win cheer

[rich ledge]

but when scarlet bursts there should still be some cover without bay isnt the cover able to block?

[glad glade]

@umbral belfry @shell hazel @keen vapor I got the cheer! Thank you for your help!

[tropic summit]

bay in p1 or p2 generally loses her cover pre burst
bay in p4 generally always retains her cover and is able to use it effectively to tank single hit nukes

[umbral belfry]

we did it team

[rich ledge]

normally scarlet is able to nuke nikkes with cover also right?

[tropic summit]

scarlet wipes anything that is not biscuit protected, indommed or stacking DR or ofc with bay/noah on

[keen vapor]

I'm part of the team

[rich ledge]

bay's cover is kind of special different from a normal cover?

[shell hazel]

we were right! 😮

[tropic summit]

this is an example of bay not activating her burst in time

[gritty ridge]

Rip bay

[rich ledge]

hmm her burst just increases the cover hp for a tiny amount haha

[tropic summit]

hence why bay teams need to be matching the RL the opponent is running:

-too late, ded
-too early, lose cover, only has DR on
-same speed, can use cover effectively

[gritty ridge]

So since im mainly surrounded by 3-4 rl teams rn, my team works?

[glad glade]

Its not just that you guys were right. It was total destruction

[tropic summit]

depends what those 3RL or 4RL teams are running, slow teams with biscuit and p1 defender with high CP may survive low invest nukers

[gritty ridge]

Cindy wont be low invest soon

I just need fodder

[umbral belfry]

bullied

[nimble swan]

@shell hazel
I’m logging in to see my cheer result, just to see that I have to bet on your match in top 8.
First I told you that you’ll win lol.
Congrats though

[shell hazel]

yeah wasn't expecting to win lol. Will I win next? find out on tomorrows episode of RNG ARENAAAA

[nimble swan]

Yeah exactly lol

[rich ledge]

will replacing blanc with bay be safer? then put rumani in P2, it seems quite risky to facetank scarlet nuke without protection

[shell hazel]

new opponent:
t1 - has similar team to my previous t1 loss but I killed SBS not RH. If RH dies this time then I can win I think as unbuffed SBS so that is based on their stats/OL.
t2 - I dislike sending my SG on attack into cindy team tbh I think I lose that
t3 - my biscuit locked def should win
t4 - less buffed semi-stall team with high feed, my scarlet team could win this one where it couldn't beat the SR-15 nero team last time...
t5 - I beat a similar team last time so could do again...

my nero tanked a ton of RH damage last time before finally dying 😄

[tropic summit]

the point of that lineup is to have blanc and rumani on biscuit buff to survive nuke via invulnerability, while cindy gonna need to tank with her HP and temperance, as nuke goes past decoy

[gritty ridge]

I was wondering why I was losing defenses to people I shouldn't be, and then I realized I had b.soda instead of helm on my defense team

[tropic summit]

honestly just getting bay to budget build 4/4/4 2OL is way safer and you'll have plenty of usage until you get noah

[gritty ridge]

Also should I switch noise for rumani?

[rich ledge]

I have bay 4/4/4 and SR5 just no OL yet

[tropic summit]

get her head and chest OL'ed then she's ready

[rich ledge]

she is waiting in line

[tropic summit]

although you could try using her as is as long as it doesn't tank your CP in penality

[gritty ridge]

Same speed so its up to kits

[tropic summit]

keep noise

[rich ledge]

CP is ok i guess

[empty cedar]

Is someone overviewing this

[tropic summit]

bay needs to be in p3 or p4 as we said earlier

you won't need biscuit if you run double B1 in p1 and p2

also that team is too slow, you cannot run cindy

she needs to be 2RL, use https://nikke-deck.web.app/

[rich ledge]

hmm seems difficult for bay to be in P3 or 4

it means i need 2 b1s in front

rumani and centi are the fastest, I dont have another fast B1 is there any fast B1 options?

jackal?

[gritty ridge]

Neon👉👈

[oblique ridge]

I know, I realized later on hehe

[oblique ridge]

RIP

[rich ledge]

well this is the only way i can make bay p3 i guess

[gritty ridge]

B1 is pretty slow outside of rumani and jackal

[tropic summit]

i mean as we said earlier if it's rookie you can do anything

[oblique ridge]

My cheer won, hurrah. Now I have a Keripo vs Unclemac cheer. Keripo wins, right?!

[tropic summit]

you can put bay in p4 there

[tropic summit]

3 options that are 2RL

[gritty ridge]

If I run literally any b3 other than cindy with rumani im 2.5 or 2 lmao

[rich ledge]

cindy burst will be better than helm right? I will go for team 3 then

[oblique ridge]

The outcome.

R1: SGs won - killed Noah as expected (yay)
R2: Nero Moran Helm stall lost - Helm got obliterated (sadge)

• Basically, Helm died to Scarlet nuke, team survived but didn’t reach Full Burst
  • But did no dmg since linked units had Rapunzel heals
    • Badly needed Helm to nuke the linked units to death, so RIP
      R3: Scarlet extreme AoE nuke lost - Cinderella survived (wtf)
• Cinderella was very close to death though, like a sliver of hp left
  R4: Cinderella blew up SAnis team - no bad rng
• Seemed like a no suspense fight
  R5: BScarlet Indom worked as expected - gg

[gritty ridge]

What cs% does this indicate

[tropic summit]

ye team 3 is the best of those

[rich ledge]

team 1 and 2 will be using Xmaiden burst i guess since helm will be killed by rosanna (potentially)

[naive crown]

Do you guys have any go to teams for easy counters?

[tropic summit]

ye if opponent has invested rosanna and helmt is not on temperance, odds are very likely

[naive crown]

I'm struggling a lot on figuring out how to build teams for attack

[rich ledge]

I was using that team 1st, i guess the opponent tried to beat me and copied and invested in rosanna as well

[naive crown]

all I know are basic nuke teams:
Scarlet / Blanc / Trina
Noah / Helm

[rich ledge]

now a mirror match is like 50-50 which is not good

[rich ledge]

#pvp-arena message

[naive crown]

ty

Too bad they don't have more descriptions to them

[oblique ridge]

I think it’s 15%. But I’d suggest 18%. You can try to “risk it” and leave Helm at 15% to see if the achieved RL speed is satisfactory, though, it’ll save rocks if it works.

Apparently, 15% works because Helm (and snipers) instantly land their shots when firing.

Meanwhile, launcher trying the same 15% is slightly too late due to shot travel time. Even though they’d shoot at the same time as a 15% Helm.

[glacial lion]

[tropic summit]

1. the most common, punishes slower teams, scarlet on double buff with jackal (2RL or 3RL)
2. 2RL noah that may or may not involve sustain/stalling, can punish indom, glass cannons and nukers as in the vid
3. 2RL indom, works against non biscuit teams or teams that lack heavy sustain and damage reduction (depending on B3 they can work against anything)
4. slow noah team, in the example it's 4RL against 3RL emilia, allows you to catch her nuke and nullify damage

in general, there's around 4 archetypes you want to get familiar with

1. scar-jack team, may or may not also run siren or soda for stunning, or rosanna for attacker pressure or breaking jackal link
2. noah team, they may have sustain/stalling or just nuking/DPS
3. indom team, this one can be made for a lot of B3s, the most common are DPS units or AoE units, ein, SBS, scarlet, s.anis... there's more depending on what you need
4. damage reduction teams, called stalling, the purpose of these is to survive early pressure for then slowly chipping you down, the true stall team is nero moran but there are variants with bay and noise

[naive crown]

TY

[nimble swan]

Thanks for the detailed analysis, though I feel like I will probably lose my frame on this bet because I absolutely can’t tell, t1 and t5 I have no idea, rng.
Does your soda have gear equipped?

[lunar pawn]

top defender, bottom attacker, thoughts?

thinking attacker will:
t1 lose
t2 win
t3 win
t4 lose
t5 win

@covert lintel @oblique ridge

[oblique ridge]

Does Siren have SR15 doll and high dupes count? How about Scarlet and her power score?

[lunar pawn]

t3 you mean?

[oblique ridge]

t4

[lunar pawn]

t4

both pretty solid, and that scarlet has 52 ammo, so she'd get the stun

no jackal to mitigate scarlet s2 but that's a chunky siren

[oblique ridge]

Strangely enough, t4 does seem like a confirmed loss for attacking side

t1 is a confirmed loss for attacking side

[lunar pawn]

every time I see someone with a p1 scarlet in CA I facepalm

[tropic summit]

she can be run in p1 as long as she meets ammo count

[lunar pawn]

true, but that's 0.1% of the cases I've seen

[oblique ridge]

t2 idk, seems like ez win if Helm gets to burst and if Nero Moran are invested enough

[tropic summit]

additionally siren can die to scarlet s2 if unlinked

all things you wanna consider and perhaps check previous videos to see on both ammo count and if siren is running temperance

[lunar pawn]

how can I tell if siren is running tempering though

I know the scarlet is high ammo

[tropic summit]

if she's made of glass she's not, if she can live even after taking several s2 she probably is running it

[umbral belfry]

give more tempura slots

[tropic summit]

best we can do is giving you a SR that closes twice because it works as intended

[umbral belfry]

[lunar pawn]

last matchup doesn't tell me much

[tropic summit]

i'm more surprised you're bothering checking at all, takes too much time

just assume siren lives to stun and if scarlet has high ammo then assume she'll probably stun, if not blame it on RNG for giving too many s2 to siren

[lunar pawn]

I'm just assuming/hoping a 192k siren with sr15 can tank the s2 until stun

[tropic summit]

sounds reasonable

[oblique ridge]

Looks like t5 has a chance it’s defeat for attacking side. Because it’s Emilia, even though the team is objectively faster (but could be defending side has chspd on their battery Emilia), there’s no instant death on reaching B3. Defending side BScarlet will easily have the chance to get Indomitable.

Then in this situation, the team with the last Indomitable usually wins, if both sides slaughter each other to last units standing. Only time this could be false is if one goes into reload just as opponent’s Indomitable drops, and then their own Indomitable drops.. while the enemy is still attacking

[tropic summit]

worse case scenario:

[umbral belfry]

192k

[atomic wolf]

I have 36 ammo scarlet

[lunar pawn]

t5

[atomic wolf]

Why would I put away my wingman cube

I show dominance

#sigmagrindset #rizztips #tiktok

[oblique ridge]

If you believe in your t1 and t3 calls, you have no choice but to believe that Attacking side is L.

t1 L
t2 W
t3 W
t4 L
t5 L

[lunar pawn]

thing is, thinking that if defender's indom goes to sbs, sbs will crash and burn vs blanc+biscuit

[oblique ridge]

That was checked out a while back. Turns out BScarlet will select lowest DEF on enemy team for distributed dmg calculations as long as BScarlet isn’t taunted/attracted

[scarlet adder]

hmmm you think i can beat him? i never tried when diff is more than 15% but saw one guy beating me with over 15% diff so it seems possible

[oblique ridge]

So she’ll beat up invincible Blanc while still shredding Blanc’s allies to death

[lunar pawn]

FB sbs retargets?

[oblique ridge]

No, it’s the kit mechanic, the cases you saw where she couldn’t is cuz taunt/attract

[lunar pawn]

first nikke to do so?

[oblique ridge]

No, Helm does this too

She nukes Highest Atk. Helm can be shooting Blanc, but blows up Scarlet/RedHood/Jackal, for example

[lunar pawn]

mmm regardless, couldn't jackal+biscuit help in survivability there?

sbs will be 1 hp, attacker only needs to survive past both of their indoms

[tropic summit]

do you've biscuit or jackal

[scarlet adder]

i have biscuit

[tropic summit]

show box can probably be won

[tropic summit]

remove filters and post it again pls

[lunar pawn]

I'll try to test that team in rookie after reset

@leaden marten hey man, can we test a team in rookie arena? can be now or after reset

[leaden marten]

Ok

What team?

[lunar pawn]

also, random thought:
the defending emilia has incredibly low cp, would be funny if indom went to her with sbs bursting

[oblique ridge]

It depends a lot on how fast defending side reaches Indomitable

If they’re slow and successfully reach it, odds tilt more toward BScarlet

[lunar pawn]

do you have any rookie attacks left now?

[umbral crown]

@polar echo hai, next time pelg defeats me gonna go fight weij in C3 so you can have C2. If you wanna do it let me know

[leaden marten]

No, but after reset

[oblique ridge]

Evil

[lunar pawn]

alright, trying to test this matchup, left pic is attacker, right pic is defender

will ping you after reset then if you don't mind, thanks

[lunar pawn]

lemme check previous match just in case

[tropic summit]

you can try these 2 options, start with the first

logic on first:

-indom anis, opponent will target p1 then switch to p2 and get stuck there

logic on second:

-stall long enough on crown to let alice wipe slowly

your teams are on the left, ensure you also match the positions provided as they matter

[leaden marten]

Ok

[lunar pawn]

mm sg team was his previous matchup, not good for comparison

[leaden marten]

I will atk or def?

[lunar pawn]

I think either works, will let you know after reset because gotta make sure there's no cp penalty heh

[leaden marten]

Ah right

[lunar pawn]

cheers

[leaden marten]

Let me set the def

I will probably be in a meet around reset

I will ping u when i set the def so u check ur atk cp

[lunar pawn]

sure, thanks

will post results later

[glad glade]

@umbral belfry could you help me with this cheer please? Top is defending and bottom is attacking. Crossed out teams are the losers

R1: This is bottom’s win. I talked about this with Juratus before. SBS’s distributed damage will target the lowest def unit unless if said unit dies or SBS gets taunted by an invincible unit. This means that SBS will damage the other units despite hitting a Biscuit-proc’ed Jack, killing both Sanis and Biscuit before Tia triggers her taunt

R2: Bottom wins because his team has greater sustained damage thanks to biscuit

R3: This is the decisive match and I’m unsure who will win. On one hand, bottom’s stall team is incredibly powerful (all units are above 130k CP and have SR15 dolls, with Moran and Nero being above 146k CP) and top’s scar only has 90k CP. On the other hand, said stall team is a 3RL and Scar is being superboosted by RH and ele, potentially killing Helm before she cuts off the link. Mana could revive Helm if she dies, but would she survive the nuke as well? I’m leaning more towards top but I am also highly unsure about this one

R4: Top wins. SGs snake to the back and pick off Centi, and there’s no Jack to feed Scar

R5: Top wins. That Moran has faced a more dangerous SG team in a previous match and facetanked all of it. She’ll survive this one

[eternal finch]

any recs vs these teams?

[lunar pawn]

did you check the RL of each 1?

cindy noah nuke his t3, probably scarlet nuke his t1, not sure about his speed but you can run siren just to be sure it lands

[tropic summit]

option 1

[scarlet adder]

holy shit it worked, he just killed blanc and no one else

[tropic summit]

option 2

pick w/e you're more invested in

s.anis needs to be burst lvl9+, no ammo OL

[covert lintel]

@lunar pawn

[shell hazel]

my next matches...
t1 - I could win this depending on invest but I lost to a similar team last round where I killed SBS and then RH B3 and killed me. May depend if I kill RH or SBS, or how invested they are
t2 - no Biscuit. I could kill Noise + Noah before they can b2 potentially?
t3 - they're def SG into biscuit locked def think I win this one.
t4 - I lost to a well invested stall last round (4/5 had SR-15 full nero/moran) but this time it's a team that can't burst and is instead relying on heal/revive/rapi. I could win this time?
t5 - my noise is getting stunned again lol. if Noah can b2 and cindy b3 I win, if not I lose

I'm attack/bottom, so I think it's:
? | maybe W | W | maybe W | ?

my top 16 matches if anyone wants to see: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVLRlDbfao4
notable ones:
t1 - Nero tanked until almost RH B3 ran out lol. With some more investment here could see her surviving it.
t3 - My SBS indom worked but also blanc survived??
t4 - my Scarlet had nowhere near enough damage on single buff as expected.
t5 - did their Scarlet have bastion or one of the other buffs added ammo so my stun worked?

what re-stocked the ammo here @swift mango @tropic summit ?

[swift mango]

Siren b1

[shell hazel]

this was why my t5 worked as Scarlet was no longer 31 ammo

damn really? lol

we didn't notice that yesterday?

[swift mango]

Yeah, I got tricked by you saying Scar won't stun and forgot siren.

[shell hazel]

I didn't see bastion and didn't know siren added ammo..

if she had 1 less ammo she'd have gone into reload and not left it even with the extra ammo added?

what do you make of my next matches? I think I win 3/4 easily enough so rest will fall to how 1/2/5 goes

[shell hazel]

think I have a decent chance on 2, no biscuit lock so I'll kill Noise + Noah maybe?

[gritty ridge]

Ok, so with adjutant cube, what lines would I need do you think?

Also does cindy get vigor cube?

[shell hazel]

I give cindy bastion or resi usually

adjutant on helm gets her into next potential CS breakpoint (15% => 17%) but reality may be that the extra speed isn't hugely beneficial vs giving her a different cube

[gritty ridge]

Ive got 3 teams on not lvl 10 cubes so ive gotta pick and choose who gets what

[shell hazel]

what level are you? none of my cubes are at 10 😄

[gritty ridge]

I have resi at lvl 5, everything else is lower

[shell hazel]

you can give adju to helm it will speed her up a bit

they cover the meaning of the lightning here btw

[gritty ridge]

Ah ok, can I select which cs it shows?

[shell hazel]

no it's basically saying all of them are valid for it more or less

[gritty ridge]

Ah ok

[shell hazel]

if you have 15% + you're in a good spot

bear in mind how CS is calculated

[gritty ridge]

That i don't know tbh

[shell hazel]

#pvp-arena message

there is rounding and grouping going on

[gritty ridge]

Oh ok

Thats pretty easy to understand

[shell hazel]

the value in blabla can't be trusted

[shell hazel]

thanks I tried to make an easy to understand example because I am not a statistician either 😄

adjutant is also rounded

so if it's 1.59% then you get 2% extra CS

[gritty ridge]

What if I happen to have 0%👉👈

[shell hazel]

then you round to 0% 😛

uncheck the lightning mark on nikke deck you don't have 15% or anything close to it

[gritty ridge]

Ive been getting no rocks and helm is still missing 2 pieces so I cant farm kraken

[shell hazel]

yeah not even like kraken gives you tons of rocks either

it's variable

[gritty ridge]

Helm doesnt need ammo lines for pve, right?

[shell hazel]

helm doesn't necessarily want or need any ammo lines, but if you get 1 line it's OK

you don't want more than 1 line ideally

[gritty ridge]

Ok, so its 4 ele 4 attack 4 cs goal

[shell hazel]

basically yes that is perfect

if you get an ammo line instead of something it's doable

my helm btw

[gritty ridge]

Ill basically fish for line 3s and go from there

[shell hazel]

that is my strat also

I have 4 good line 3's so I can work with that, I won't re-roll the gloves away it's going to have to stay as it is

[gritty ridge]

Yeah makes sense

[eternal finch]

shoot, I don't ahve a bay equipped for PVP

[shell hazel]

helm is OK on 3/4 lines I think, so even 3 CS/3 atk/3 ele is enough

then you can flex in other stuff a bit, getting perfect lines is costly

3 5% ish CS lines and you're at the bare min 15% you want

I'd say 4 CS / 3 atk / 3 ele is good also and is what I'd like

[gritty ridge]

Btw, who could I replace bay with to increase speed and maintain antinuke?

[shell hazel]

presumably this is a convo you had before and someone said Noah? 😄

[gritty ridge]

If I had 15% cs helm id be 2.5, but I gotta work with what I have

[gritty ridge]

Nah actually, tbh I thought Noah had to go with biscuit

I built this team myself

[shell hazel]

not necessarily, biscuit works with any defender

[chrome cairn]

I am tempted to fight this because they haven't built up their dolls but at the same time...noah/jackal...

[shell hazel]

cindy p1

[gritty ridge]

They feed hard and are 3rl anyway

[shell hazel]

stun noah with siren

[placid bloom]

if you're trying to hit 2RL with Cinderella you need 2 clips + Helm, you can't do it with 2 regular RLs. So you're just stuck at 3RL.

[chrome cairn]

does my sirens bp matter in this scenario

[gritty ridge]

Yeah cindy makes me slow, I dont have a good b3 replacement atm tho

[gritty ridge]

As long as it doesnt put you in deficit

[gritty ridge]

I can actually run that

[shell hazel]

deficit is 84.6% so not likely tbh

[chrome cairn]

do I put siren in the same slot as rouge was or do I move her somewhere else

[shell hazel]

enemy cp * 0.846

[gritty ridge]

P2 Noah would need p4 siren i think?

[shell hazel]

you suffer no penalty unless you're under 283K

<@&946725432554836008>

[shell hazel]

no cindy is skipped at p1, aka Noah is p1

[gritty ridge]

im learning

[chrome cairn]

same spot then?

[shell hazel]

send this if you have it

[gritty ridge]

Ah I lose my siren here, thats why I was confused

[chrome cairn]

is this blabla

[wind kelp]

Btw, my big beautiful box(after 1.5 years of playing), ofcourse cubes/gear might fudge the order a touch, but not too much. Anything up to frosty maiden is 4xOL gear of varying degree, then it gets pretty random (skills as well). As said, just looking for ideas, teams keep my winning 4th, and in 7th, so i guess defense could be better :p

[shell hazel]

https://nikke-deck.web.app/

[gritty ridge]

I cant drop siren cuz shes a third of the teams power

[shell hazel]

with siren you can never be 2RL

[wind kelp]

Anyone else free to have fun as well if they wish

[gritty ridge]

I could with Emilia rumani, but Emilia is unreachable

Id also have to replace cindy

[shell hazel]

Cindy p1 is dumb btw unless you employ rosanna concealment like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLgh4sqMJKc

cindy at p1 means you get extra burst gen usually

[gritty ridge]

How much better is 2rl compared to 2.5?

Like do i get in burst at all or is it just wiped

[shell hazel]

sometimes you can go too fast

there is such a thing

there is a delay in bursts

[tropic summit]

2.5RL with a B1 like noise or moran can allow you to survive single buffed nukes or at least reaching B2 (bay/noah/blanc) alive

[chrome cairn]

does this work

[shell hazel]

don't send cindy at p1

you don't need CP you need speed, do you have the units I showed even unbuilt?

[gritty ridge]

Im wondering what grave is going there

[shell hazel]

it's just cp pad

[chrome cairn]

I have everything but noah

[tropic summit]

oke taking a look

[chrome cairn]

(I like grave)

[shell hazel]

you don't need noah necessarily, can use blanc instead

[wind kelp]

No rush at all, as said, i'm good no matter what 😄

[gritty ridge]

Grave is pure feed and since the best parts of her kit come after first burst i dont think shes a good idea

[shell hazel]

or we run with copium bay 😄

[umbral belfry]

@tropic summit @shell hazel just shipped my pc for my move, no more malding for a bit

[shell hazel]

we actually want RL's the most, splash damage for cindy p1

[gritty ridge]

Just phone mald

[umbral belfry]

@glad glade taking a look in a sec

[umbral belfry]

at 40% deficit? I think not

[gritty ridge]

That's what I do

You can do it

[umbral belfry]

[chrome cairn]

blanc and bay aren't in synchro its so joever

[gritty ridge]

[chrome cairn]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/621158180663066637/1170146302860996698/RotoREQrr.gif?ex=6557faaa&is=654585aa&hm=9f4ade1b1a8333465de6fb1811c61b8601cb6d2cc9228d7e7b227c1b5c0b7a4d&

[shell hazel]

sync blanc in

do you have this?

or maybe show your box 😄

[gritty ridge]

Btw hippo, how big of a boost will scarlet be for me if I pull her?

[chrome cairn]

oh shit I forgot I don't have jackal either

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/scarlet-scarlet-nikke-nikke-scarlet-bamboo-forest-cute-anime-girl-gif-9902164233283565064

[shell hazel]

post your nikke box

[gritty ridge]

I need her the most out of the pilgrims rn, sbs is replaceable but I need scar for pvp

[shell hazel]

wishlist for the core pvp units if you lack them

[gritty ridge]

I think i have most of them

I can basically make everything but scar team

Im missing a few shotguns tho

[signal hull]

https://tenor.com/view/nikke-scarlet-dance-scarletless-gif-12985042717687988438

[gritty ridge]

[shell hazel]

core units per selections on left

[chrome cairn]

https://gyazo.com/71115cab26c2e465cd0c0d570751e3d2 I assume this is what you mean

[shell hazel]

screenshots are easier to work with if you can

outside of team selection main nikke box

[gritty ridge]

Ill be getting Pascal soon? Idk how the nier event works

[shell hazel]

you can get pascal already from the store but it's a crutch vs a proper unit

[gritty ridge]

He's in the store???

[shell hazel]

nier event store

[gritty ridge]

Huh, ok

Also a2 is coming soon right?

[shell hazel]

2 ish days

or 1 day?

it's 1-2 days away 😄

[gritty ridge]

1 day and 2 hrs?

[gritty ridge]

A2 sees use in pvp iirc

[shell hazel]

core 2 nihilister it's jover

[gritty ridge]

Maid mast not in synchro

[chrome cairn]

you don't understand, its my sworn duty to get a c7 nihilister...

[gritty ridge]

Rapi

[shell hazel]

A2/2B not really used anymore in current pvp meta, usable? maybe. used not so much

[tropic summit]

siren scarlet trina rapu jackal
noise rumani cindy noir noah
blanc emi rh biscuit centi

helm must be treasured asap, bring her to at least phase 2 with s1 lvl 10
laplaceT down the road you can treasure her to reduce SG usage
rosanna can be invested into 7/10/10, can work both offensively and offensively, ideally SR5-SR15 and atk 30-40%
s.anis can be invested in for both pvp and pve purposes, bring her burst to lvl 9, no ammo OL

get your teams reviewed once helm treasure is available, emilia can be brought to 21% or 38%CS on the medium/long term
raise CP on rumani and trina

[umbral belfry]

T1 assuming correct indom bottom
T2 not 100% sure here. siren will stun noise so rumani burst but bisc on 2nd team. i can see it either way
T3 possibly bottom due to 90k cp scar but double buffed. if stall is actually 2.5 I lean more on bottom (note that it is possible for stall to lose against double buff scar, but again that scar cp is low)
T4 top
T5 top

def ask for more opinions just to be safe

[shell hazel]

be wary of viper treasure for pvp btw

[gritty ridge]

Your synchro choices are questionable

[chrome cairn]

I heard p3 makes her worse for pvp

[shell hazel]

if you upgrade her treasure too far she can no longer B2 properly

what skill is helm treasure on?

[gritty ridge]

Isnt it p2 cuz it makes her reenter?

[chrome cairn]

p3 gives her the re-enter

[tropic summit]

p3 changes her burst into re-enter, re-enter in pvp generally means you bursting later = ded

[gritty ridge]

Ah ok, I misremebered

[chrome cairn]

p2

[shell hazel]

I mean like

7/7/7 or w/e

[chrome cairn]

10/7/7

[umbral belfry]

@glad glade edited t5 to top, I'm half asleep and reading wrong

[shell hazel]

good not bad, eventual 10/10/10 but skill 1 at 10 is key

[gritty ridge]

Tia, b.alice, Tnaga, jackal, rh

[shell hazel]

for pvp sync blanc/rumani/trina

[glad glade]

Thank you! I’ll report back on the results tmr morning

[chrome cairn]

I really thought they were gonna give me more synchro slots

500 gems per slot is soul crushing

[shell hazel]

buy some if you lack them, or remove unused units

like no one running rapunzel PG for anything, though I know some are locked

[wind kelp]

Definetaly keeping this stored for future, problem now ofcourse is that i don't have trina or rumani built, as in, 0 investment, and i don't have RH 😄

[shell hazel]

this is their team btw, so it's 3RL and maybe a bit quicker with feed

if you stun Noah they have no real defence but their Cindy could still cause issues

[tropic summit]

ye rumani and trina need to be built but most importantly helmT

as for RH you can use liter/RRH for the time being

[shell hazel]

some very questionable choices for dolls and sync lol

[umbral belfry]

p1 cindy

[tropic summit]

speedrun any% to 1RL time

[umbral belfry]

I knew you would have this vid ready LMAO

[tropic summit]

[chrome cairn]

she actually is top 5 in the sync so she can't be removed

[shell hazel]

d'oh

try sending this if your CP is above 283K or w/e I said earlier, can you record it?

siren can go at p2 if she's much tankier

[tropic summit]

you still playing on phone i suppose?

surely you're not gonna get bricked because of the move

[umbral belfry]

I play on my phone but not for campaign. just for dailies and what not. tower if need be

[shell hazel]

yeah I do the same 🙂

you malded well Hime all the same 🙂

[umbral belfry]

[tropic summit]

ye then you'll be fine

take ur deserved break a bit

[umbral belfry]

temporarily retired malder

[shell hazel]

got your malding in before the move so

[placid bloom]

AI only mobile

[umbral belfry]

kuwon blue name

[sleek imp]

where

[chrome cairn]

I'm ngl to you I completely forgot trina existed

[shell hazel]

your cp may be OK even with no built trina or blanc lol

[sleek imp]

omg...

[chrome cairn]

metamancers looking in horror as they see my account

[shell hazel]

the main issue is that building for waifu can brick your campaign progress some 😛

[placid bloom]

wym bro, everyone has SR15 Kilo

[shell hazel]

like you can't get decent cubes or w/e

[tropic summit]

[chrome cairn]

I'm stuck at behemoth for exactly that

well less that and more so I am trying to beat behemoth with nihilister on the team

if I swapped to grave it would of been joever already

[shell hazel]

I mean ultimately it's your game to play your way I respect it

[chrome cairn]

but I think its infinitely funnier if I beat behemoth with her worst enemy

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/nihilister-gif-6075686511997261783

[chrome cairn]

I'm trying my absolute best to give her the best OL lines I can muster but its like sprinkling gold onto a pile of shit

its still one big pile of shit

[shell hazel]

but now it's sparkley

[chrome cairn]

one sparkly pile

I do wonder if anyone has actually thought of optimal OL lines for nihilister

[shell hazel]

same as all dps probably

atk/ele %/ammo %

sometimes varies but that is a common set

[chrome cairn]

if you can even consider nihilister dps lol

she does do well with energy gain tho

[shell hazel]

she can actually work in pvp as a clip unit

[chrome cairn]

last I remember she was considered B tier in pvp

[shell hazel]

it's for her burst gen mostly, it's OK, not as good as the SG's

[placid bloom]

I use her in PvP

[shell hazel]

low feed

you could build/use her certainly for that

[chrome cairn]

I might use her in co-op raids once she gets to c7

by then she should have significantly improved lines and likely a synchro level of over 400

maybe then she will do 1% of cindys damage

[shell hazel]

if you want to max her lines roll for a good line 3 first

then temp lock and roll for a good line 2

then finally line 1 as it's costly but at least it will appear

and you'd want the 3 mainstats I listed above I suspect, don't know if crit does much for her, charge speed/charge damage won't do anything

@tropic summit @swift mango what do you guys make of my next matches? I'm atk/bottom this time
#pvp-arena message

[chrome cairn]

mod time?

[glad glade]

<@&946725432554836008>

[tropic summit]

that's between spam and advertising i guess

[shell hazel]

@Modernia

[chrome cairn]

shoutout to modernia for singlehandedly clearing all glasses raptures for me

[shell hazel]

honestly I got her really late

I was running in campaign for ages:
crown | liter | red hood | alice (or Cindy) | naga

my girls now

[chrome cairn]

this is the squad for now, scarlet is often switched out for kilo with glass rapture stages

also maybe we should go in a different chat for this since its barely about pvp lol

[shell hazel]

can confirm that is a team 😄

meh this often goes off-topic haha

no one asking for pvp help atm so it's fine I think

[chrome cairn]

can confirm I am getting dps checked!

scarlet gets blitzed to all hell by behemoths miniguns in her p2

and I need her to clear the boulders

and rouge does not heal enough : (

[leaden marten]

done but this team will burst in 3.5RL which sounds weird to me

1.499m CP btw

tell me if u or me will get CP penalty

[oblique ridge]

Waiter, there's pve in my soup

[leaden marten]

hahahahaha xD

[tropic summit]

someone is being a bad boi

[shell hazel]

naughty Rail training horse girls instead of manning pvp support 24/7! 😮

[oblique ridge]

Hehe

[tropic summit]

ironically i've spent more time than expected in this chat last few days

the risk of becoming red name approaches fast

[shell hazel]

it's over at that point + you didn't advise on my matches yet

https://tenor.com/view/tired-groggy-sleepy-what-dazed-gif-16582493918036962522

[tropic summit]

i still question the existence of this channel

[shell hazel]

yeah I dunno on that one chief

[tropic summit]

well i did my part for today

[shell hazel]

Rail no

full send the needful

I need to know if I win or deadge

sensei - onegaishimasu!

[tropic summit]

this?

[shell hazel]

hai

[tropic summit]

we gave you for deadge already yesterday

[shell hazel]

but I lived

[tropic summit]

you sure you need our prediction?

[shell hazel]

and this time their T4 isn't even 4RL

[lunar pawn]

what does that mean?

[shell hazel]

I think I get 3-2 but I respect your opinion on the matter 🙂

[tropic summit]

wait is that another helmt sniping SBS/RH schrodinger case again

[shell hazel]

it is

[tropic summit]

jesus le christ

you won the previous one right?

[shell hazel]

I did not

[tropic summit]

oh cuz blanc

[shell hazel]

SBS died and RH killed me

[tropic summit]

mhm

[shell hazel]

my Nero survived most of it (was fun)

[tropic summit]

surely this time it's RH on higher atk%