pvp-arena

[sleek imp]

Why do I feel like Akrij is gon win

[umbral belfry]

underdog

[umbral belfry]

you have them in the wrong order but I can see the match

[sleek imp]

Akrij
team 1 - win
team 2 - I have no clue
team 3 - if moran tanky she might lowk live?
team 4 - Win
team 5 - Loss

[sleek imp]

oh I did?

mb

[umbral belfry]

it looks like surix is defending, which would be a game changer for his sgs. but it's fine

[sleek imp]

wait theres attacking and defending...?

[umbral belfry]

top attacks, bottom defends

[sleek imp]

Attacker can choose which team they want to attack and swap the appropriate team?

[sleek imp]

oh

[keen vapor]

No

[sleek imp]

[umbral belfry]

t1 bot
t2 likely bot as moran and bay constantly blocks cindy. but his moran's cp is
t3 bot
t4 bot
t5 top

[sleek imp]

True

[umbral belfry]

no clue why top is getting so many votes

[sleek imp]

cooked

[spiral onyx]

https://youtu.be/uLkhW6OvtGQ?si=l34c9c9GGusqn_9e

[oblique ridge]

ty and @covert lintel, convinced me to switch the cheer

[pure moss]

Arby bottom, who will win?

[pure moss]

your insight is needed again

[oblique ridge]

I’ll analyze later, no time atm

Maybe Hime can do it for me too

[pure moss]

no worries, just tag me when you decided to

[umbral belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/bleak-it's-bleak-shaking-head-its-bleak-black-and-white-gif-9592734580409210082

gimme a sec

[sleek imp]

how are people commander lvl 600+ in your bracket

[dim sapphire]

my prediction would be
P1:Def Win
P2:Def win if rosa can kill scar and laplace before indom going to either will ruin the chance of winning, this is 50/50 imo
P3:Atk win
P4:Atk win
P5:Def win

[dim sapphire]

here

i would pick arby here

[umbral belfry]

T1 L
T2 L
T3 W
T4 potentially W if noise's burst saves you from nuke and a b2 and b3 survives
T5 likely W

pray for t4

t5 is a potential loss if sgs die to counters too quickly and rosa kills scar

actually it's double buff scar, imo that's a loss

[dim sapphire]

just pick the least favored rate, 90% you win 👆

if you unsure

most people do not care about ca, just pick whoever is high in level, amount of skins they have or copies

so far in my bracket i am least favorited and i won both 😂

[swift mango]

I basically just told you to face tanking wipe or Crit them to win lol...

[acoustic light]

does raven burst have delay like ein?

[umbral belfry]

I think she has delay?

but raven in pvp regardless is

her DoT doesn't have delay I don't believe though

[dim sapphire]

raven delay cover is so annoying

[umbral belfry]

could've been pvp meta

[acoustic light]

Im just coping

if she has 1.5x multiplier on burst

[umbral belfry]

imo you're better off using ein over raven

but if you love raven then sure

[placid bloom]

he has C7, that is enough love

[umbral belfry]

[acoustic light]

wait r u a spy?

[umbral belfry]

maybe you can make it work then 😭

[acoustic light]

[placid bloom]

no I am in your SPA group and you have a very obvious name lol

[umbral belfry]

[acoustic light]

oh wait really

i dont recognize a kuwon

[placid bloom]

yeah that's not my ign

I'm Hydra

[acoustic light]

thats so cool

i only attack to test pvp stuff so dont mind me lol

[placid bloom]

yeah I know, you've let me sit up there for quite a while

[umbral belfry]

good guy phoric

[placid bloom]

see, you just need to meet people that will not attack out of the kindness of their heart

[oblique ridge]

Day 1 CA basically

[acoustic light]

haha Im just trying to get better at CA

but I always lose at like 32 or 64

to the same ppl

[placid bloom]

your matchups have been a bit unlucky, a lot of prev champions

I think you're also just more invested in PvE than PvP

you gonna 3% this SR?

[acoustic light]

maybe I only C7 characters bc their hot lol

but im enjoying pvp more

would be nice to use raven or mihara at all but they just lose

[placid bloom]

Mihara is maybe usable

Raven not really

feel like Mihara is more bug abuse than actually usable though

[acoustic light]

thing is im tired of SBS bc her win rate is so low

but we dont have many pvp b3s bc we're new players

[sleek imp]

holy

[umbral belfry]

emi when

[sleek imp]

mega whales

[placid bloom]

I already gave up on SBS team, it's literally just there to beat nonsense teams

it loses almost every meta matchup

[umbral belfry]

same

[acoustic light]

exactly and I wasted a 2rl setup on it this season

[strong hull]

Chief juratus are you in NA?

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/critical-role-crit-role-cr-arsequeef-vox-machina-gif-18451283

[acoustic light]

Also gl @umbral belfry I see u doing well in CA a lot

if ur ign is the same

[shell hazel]

Hime is cheating that is why

[umbral belfry]

hi!

[placid bloom]

there's a decent amount of CA players in our league in here

[umbral belfry]

see this is why you're gonna lose

[placid bloom]

[shell hazel]

you stole Rumani off me for months

[umbral belfry]

[shell hazel]

I don't love running SBS indom either but the problem is that I don't really have other options lol

[placid bloom]

build Maiden Sugar and run 2nd SG team

[umbral belfry]

sugar treasure incoming i can sense it

[shell hazel]

and soda treasure

[umbral belfry]

[shell hazel]

having two fully built SG teams is a lot more invest and not really any crossover into pve

[umbral belfry]

imagine running 2 sg teams just so one runs into a jackal team and the other a def-bisc team

[placid bloom]

your SBS comp was gonna run into Biscuit anyway, same thing

[shell hazel]

genuinely building like Ein instead is doable I think

and she would at least get some use elsewhere

[umbral belfry]

blanc ein rh

[placid bloom]

nah ReiTN would be better if you actually could build another fast team

[umbral belfry]

True

[shell hazel]

problem with ReiTN is dupes

[placid bloom]

but we'd need like 2 more clips

[shell hazel]

mine is forever 0LB

she'll be a permanent noodle

[placid bloom]

you can also cope MPriv nuke

slightly better burst gen

so you have some leeway with the rest of the team

[shell hazel]

sbs burst gen is better than a lot of the dps whilst still being pretty garbage

when we get treasure sugar

with CS on lapT and rumani can 2.5RL it even

[signal hull]

No! I don't want to have to build Sugar too! Mercy! Mercy!!!

[shell hazel]

just need all the CS and you can 2.5RL Ein 😄

[placid bloom]

or they could just rerun SAnis and none of these problems would exist

[shell hazel]

yeah which - we may get soon actually

if they decide to re-run for the summer event

summer event should follow either right after Sora or the banner after hers perhaps

[placid bloom]

don't think it'll be summer

too many banners at the same time

[shell hazel]

never stopped em before 😄

[placid bloom]

they'll probably release on as an extra banner on a really shit character

[shell hazel]

i'm going to see what the livestream says anyway in terms of units and things, meanwhile I am just OL Rumani

[placid bloom]

going by order we should get XAnne first though

[shell hazel]

at least any Rumani investment won't be wasted, even if they add a new b1 as good as her (or better) she'll be useful in SPA/CA still

[glad glade]

@umbral belfry may I ask for your opinion on this match please, especially R1? That P2 Cindy muddles the prediction a bit
#pvp-arena message

[shell hazel]

Hime we're close

[umbral belfry]

T1 bot, but I see your reasoning. even if top gets to 3rl, (unless top's cs) 2rl b3 is faster than 3rl b1
T2 rng but likely bot due to invest as you pointed out
T3 (assuming no misindom) likely bot. blanc will burst in time
T4 top
T5 not 100% sure on this one, but because top's moran is low invest i'd somewhat lean bottom

[umbral belfry]

soon

[glad glade]

Thank you! P3 will probably misindom due to laplop being weak to pepper

[shell hazel]

Cindy burst has travel time though, it's not instant

blanc could burst in time to indom SBS

[umbral belfry]

hmm, fair

[shell hazel]

it's basically the same for the opposing t3 match, SBS indom vs Cindy speed

if that was 2RL Scarlet then diff story

[umbral belfry]

I think even with pepper attacking lap, chances of sbs indom are high

cindy and xmaid should do enough dmg vs pepper

[glad glade]

Even more reason to vote for bottom then. I love it

[umbral belfry]

[shell hazel]

CS investment on these teams could matter a lot also, it's hard to tell if they have or not

[umbral belfry]

hence why I pointed it out mostly for t3

I have a feeling that emi has high cs

[glad glade]

I checked thoroughly. Defending T3 definitely has a ton of CS for Noise, Noah, and Maiden (enough to satisfy the required CS for a 2.5 RL team). Its harder to tell for the Atking T3 since they faced off against a 2RL scar jack comp in the previous round, but I think its just enough to be faster than 3RL, but a bit slower than a 2.5 RL

[shell hazel]

I'd go with bottom/atk being more likely winner

[umbral belfry]

same

[glad glade]

Thank you @shell hazel @umbral belfry!

[umbral belfry]

we did it chat

[shell hazel]

-# watch us get it wrong

[umbral belfry]

[shell hazel]

[glad glade]

I have faith in you guys

[wise horizon]

need help here. would this work?

[umbral belfry]

t2 looks risky depending on who has taunt prio

[shell hazel]

I don't sakura can win that alone

[umbral belfry]

if noise has more cs than noah, noah is stunned

[shell hazel]

yeah can't even burst without a b2

why not hit t1 instead and skip scar/siren?

[narrow birch]

Who can help me with 2 attack and 3 def teams for SP Arena, recently I dropped into Diamond since I didnt really keep up with the meta who can help me out ?

[wise horizon]

Blanc/Emilia/RH/HelmT/Rumani vs T1

[shell hazel]

you can disable their noah with your own siren on attack

[narrow birch]

I have a non invested Trina aswell if shes worth it ill invest in her

[tropic summit]

naga centi cind helmt rrh
scarlet blanc rh xmaiden jackal
noah biscuit sbs siren laplace

wishlist/build: rumani, trina, rosanna
raise CP on the units attached, once fully built and the above obtained get your teams reviewed

[narrow birch]

thxxx

only grinded for solo raid so I didnt build rumani, trina, rosanna yet but will soon!

[tropic summit]

your teams are on the left, skip T1

[narrow birch]

Is Quantum cube better than Adjuantin ?

[tropic summit]

@narrow birch
use whichever cube lets you hit 15%-17% CS threshold or burst gen treshold, refer to https://nikke-deck.web.app/

[tropic summit]

you still alive?

[strong hull]

No

[tropic summit]

goldship dropkicked you to heaven

[strong hull]

[tropic summit]

that's... a lot of B

[strong hull]

Trying to get A is never hard than this one

[tropic summit]

welcome to the grind

[shell hazel]

thien still horsing around I see

https://tenor.com/view/gold-ship-uma-musume-dropkick-gif-1310520311152972568

-# Look I found the same one

[tropic summit]

one of the best celebrations in the game

[shell hazel]

are those horse shoe prints on the boots?

[shell hazel]

kind of looks like it

need in 8k to check

[narrow birch]

last question do you have any recommendations for two attack teams? Ik the best ones are very targeted but I just want some bread and butter first

[strong hull]

Need more effort ig

[shell hazel]

just gotta keep training the horses and grinding

[tropic summit]

dw their feet still look normal

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/PoLZgK0qdbyNURCckbRUGlCPddrx5d6qehJS80z9_EY/https/media.tenor.com/ApHxxZAoTBQAAAPo/curren-chan-uma-musume.mp4

[strong hull]

Ill take a break

Gonna watch some anime then pass out

[tropic summit]

2RL noah 2RL scarlet (with either siren or double buff as needed)

[strong hull]

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/uma-uma-musume-cinderella-gray-symboli-rudolf-gif-1665934491737807988

[tropic summit]

T1 against scarlet/nukers
T2 against noah
T3 against indom (only use 2 of these 3, as you can see some nikke are shared)

[shell hazel]

ah yes the feet look normal
-# we don't see the tail or the ears ofc

isn't Noah p1 asking for siren stun?

[tropic summit]

generic teams

if he's running noah p1 against siren it's on him

[shell hazel]

I suppose 😄

I mean re-order might just prevent the issue

[tropic summit]

yes

or just taking 3 seconds to sort it

[shell hazel]

same for scarlet team, siren p1 scarlet p2

[tropic summit]

that's again dependant on attack

rifles/ARs/MGs you want p1, siren? you want p2

i do want ppl to use a bit of their head if possible

[strong hull]

Tbh the only horse i care is Gold Ship and Mambo

But i do like Gold Ship the most

[shell hazel]

mainly just wondering for anti siren really 🙂

how many target skips can we get btw? I know that cindy p1 can cause target skip, and ros also can with her conceal

[tropic summit]

i prefer twintails assets 🍿

[shell hazel]

scarlet lover I see

Rail who causes target skip outside of Cindy/Ros?

[tropic summit]

ask the master @swift mango

he was messing with those for a while

[shell hazel]

if we have enough target skips will we break the arena?

[tropic summit]

delta cindy ross is those i know of, but there was someone else iirc

[shell hazel]

little rei has decoy

[tropic summit]

ye we were talking about that with eon some days back

essentially what we think happens once 5 decoys are detected game will probably default targeting to their original target

[swift mango]

Cindy Rosa and Rei. Not enough to make everyone hit P5

[shell hazel]

we need more target skips 😄

[tropic summit]

e.g. on attack all weapons beside SR would go back targetting p1

[shell hazel]

delta needs to burst for her target skip?

[tropic summit]

the alternative, which sounds more fun, is that they simply idle in cover

no target = cannot shoot = cover

[swift mango]

No, she just taunt everything with her deciy

[tropic summit]

you scratched delta in the end right?

[shell hazel]

well the other funny option is you don't force enemy to hit p5, you force them to hit p4 instead and you just make them immune with biscuit or similar at p5

[tropic summit]

since they somehow ghost fixed her

[tropic summit]

hmm makes sense if you ever need for some reason splash to land on p4 or p5 for w/e reason

[swift mango]

Scrapped you mean? Well, glad I didn't doll or OL her ...

[tropic summit]

ye

[shell hazel]

does scarlet/cindy burst find the real targets even with decoy/conceal skipping?

[tropic summit]

scarlet hits ALL targets

so decoy and cindy are the same to the nuke

and are hit individually

iirc you could crit on cindy but not the decoy, or viceversa

think of it as a 6th target onscreen

[swift mango]

Scarlet yes, Cindy no

Cindy case extends to EVE and S.Sakura as well

Scarlet case like rail said

[shell hazel]

cindy p1 safu?

[tropic summit]

you're getting rosanna hit by splash

bye bye conceal and your damage output

[shell hazel]

you are but there is a funny bug with that with conceal

[swift mango]

Her boobs are still small by nikke global standard

[tropic summit]

you mean being linked?

[shell hazel]

as far as I understand it jackal link/splash may not remove conceal

[tropic summit]

but she's in direct fire of splash

e.g. rosanna in p4 but linked doesn't remove conceal

rosanna in p2 but linked loses conceal once a RL splashes on her

correct me if i'm wrong @swift mango but i seem to remember that

[shell hazel]

but damn we need ros p2 to target skip 😄

[swift mango]

Doesn't too, it's weird. @quick lake

[tropic summit]

callin' in the cavalry

[shell hazel]

I can run a few goes in rookie to see after reset

might not because she takes damage via link all the time anyway

[swift mango]

@worthy knoll @raven plover

If you have time to confirm those again.

[tropic summit]

the question: does a linked rosanna in p2 lose her conceal to splash

[shell hazel]

little rei is super slow burst gen not useful here

[swift mango]

I tested it in rookie too if you search my history

[swift mango]

No

[tropic summit]

wonder if that's even intended

although it probably has to do with how her damage is perceived as indirect rather than direct

which probably does not trigger the condition to lose concealment

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/damian-lewis-bobby-axelrod-certainty-not-uncertain-billions-gif-11427386

so cindy p1 safu?

(maybe)

[placid bloom]

I did just attack with p2 linked Ros but I didn't check if conceal wore off, I just assumed it didn't

too late to try again

[shell hazel]

the forbidden tech, we don't run it because we need to, we run it because we can

[tropic summit]

i'm thinking rather when would you need to run this team

[shell hazel]

you don't but usually cindy p1 is forbidden

[tropic summit]

you're using jackal, noah, helmt and rosanna in the same team

[shell hazel]

the dream team

[tropic summit]

if anything could make it as a rookie team and tilt opponent

[shell hazel]

that was my thinking

[tropic summit]

kind of a meme team that actually can work with anti nuke, attacker pressure and aoe nuke

[placid bloom]

p1 Rei p2 Cinderella p3 Ros p4 Jackal, protect president Rei

[shell hazel]

I considered Rei but she is so damn slow lol

turns it from basically 2RL with Helm to 4RL with Rei 😄

[tropic summit]

cindy + ros is already a wild combo of low burst gen

[shell hazel]

yeah

[tropic summit]

add a rei and you're indeed killing it

well the idea if anything seems fun

wait for 5 decoy units to see if you can break SU's code

[shell hazel]

I might be cp gapping this guy lol

yes I am

[tropic summit]

22% deficit

well at least you're shooting on p2 invulnerable noah

[shell hazel]

state of my rookie CP lol

[tropic summit]

[shell hazel]

only guy in 2nd running anything challenging, I can try it out on them

outside of cp deficit at least

predictions rail? win or lose?

my ros may kill siren and helm?

[tropic summit]

i dunno i train horses

🏇

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/seonho-kim-seonho-horse-donkey-gif-20954476

[tropic summit]

3RL vs 3RL but you're killing helmt and shooting whoever taunts rosanna from noise or noah

then it's a trade against cindies

[shell hazel]

we full send it

[tropic summit]

opponent loses out on a bit of DPS so probably you

the cindy who happens to burst first and remove the decoy also will have or not a decoy instead

[shell hazel]

noooooooo

[tropic summit]

they prolly bursted later, as you had jackal

cindy diffed

[shell hazel]

[tropic summit]

if there's another cancer between scarlet mirrors, it's cindy mirrors

it's like indom, the one who bursts later has advantage

[swift mango]

Safe if your spA is casual. Safe in CA in the right team.

[gritty ridge]

I lose this bad, dont i

[tropic summit]

deficit is fine, 13,6%

the team although, you gonna have RH sniped

[gritty ridge]

Speed tho is a big problem no?

[tropic summit]

then it's ripperoni cuz you're B1less

[tropic summit]

yup

[gritty ridge]

Im 4 rl against what looks to be 2.5-2

Especially since I feed link

[tropic summit]

mhm about right

with SGs too

[swift mango]

In before 40% ATK Naga and 0% on RH

[tropic summit]

just like a certain someone biscuit (in the past)

[gritty ridge]

[shell hazel]

might need to remove helm to send someone a bit slower?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ir-7WyGxBmY

[worthy knoll]

No you don't

[strong hull]

Bakushin bakushin bakushinnn

[worthy knoll]

unless they did some magic change like that recent debuff taunt stacking making Noise Noah guaranteed stun by P1/P2 Soda regardless where they are

[strong hull]

No... Get out of my head

[tropic summit]

@shell hazel @swift mango

[strong hull]

[tropic summit]

they what

good god.

[tropic summit]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHpPhLidbyQ

[shell hazel]

yeah thought so

[swift mango]

He said it, you don't lose the conceal.

[tropic summit]

ye wanted to share the answer

[swift mango]

Idk... I think it was CS that make the difference? People still show 1 taunt 1 random when I tested and it stun both.

Have any one with only 1 taunt stunned and one random result recently? In the past month?

[worthy knoll]

They changed it since the 22 (or was it 21 updated)

[swift mango]

Very recently then

Guess no one has time to test it?

[worthy knoll]

Debuff taunt stacks with each other by that time, so P1/P2 Soda or Rosanna or heck lets include first SAnis S2, will both hit Noise Noah now

[swift mango]

Wasn't ASS hit both Moran and Nero before?

[worthy knoll]

Tested already, more like some TW complained during those date was Soda stunning their Noise Noah 100% of the time that was why it was noticed

[worthy knoll]

Debuff taunt not Attract Taunt

[shell hazel]

1 rock day, Rail stealing all my rocks

[swift mango]

I see, thanks

[swift mango]

1+1 pity or 0+1 pity?

[worthy knoll]

Attract taunt is already known to stack with each other, before debuff taunt don't stack, the slower one is highest prio then either a random (in Soda case) or whatever the requirement for the skill/burst (highest atk for SAnis S2 or an Attacker in Ros burst case)

[shell hazel]

1 + 1 pity

[swift mango]

Guess I can bring back Soda next season.

[tropic summit]

i'm stealing @swift mango's rocks

[swift mango]

No, I will make a breakthrough, 3+ rock today for sure.

[swift mango]

Thanks for sharing.

[wild hemlock]

Scar Rosanna Trina Helm.T/ClipRL Jackal (2RL)
In this team in the pin does having Rosanna in P2 not break concealment if she's linked?

[tropic summit]

we just talked about it earlier, scroll up

[wild hemlock]

[tropic summit]

#pvp-arena message

[wild hemlock]

Huh I see ty

[shell hazel]

god this looks annoying lol

biscuit is king...

uploading now

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLgh4sqMJKc

click play if it looks broken should work

[gentle igloo]

how much does investment matter for arena

[quartz rover]

safe to say i'm top 30

[west shell]

This is my current team lineup, i have no issues with team 1 and team 3. Team 1 usually almost always wins and team 3 is the same outcome. I usually see team 3 lose no hp in battle from whenever im spectating (maybe im just lucky other player team 3 just sucks).

Its just im having trouble with team 2, They have never once won a battle. I have gotten some suggestions who i should put in but would like to check again to see who i should replace in team 2

[bitter cipher]

I’ll login in a bit, have to cut up watermelon

[oblique ridge]

Yeah

[umbral belfry]

attack teams are entirely dependent on the opponent's attack team, meaning the same won't always work depending on same team. that said, jackal is a top tier unit in pvp due to her allowing your units to burst faster due to her 'link' skill (links 2 highest attack). would be wise to put her somewhere but tbh an entire rehaul is probably in order

but imo at your low level, it'd be hard putting decent teams up

[urban mulch]

and the team 2 double mg wind up is prob killing you esp if opponents put a decent burst gen team up against it

diesel being pos 1 doesnt help either

[west shell]

okay so in summary i could potentially replace some characters but since my power level for most of them are still pretty low my team 2 still will likely get destroyed but not as much?

[tropic summit]

a lot, CP in fact needs to meet at worse 15,4% deficit, else you get hit with a penality that can make it impossible to beat opponent

can check it here https://nikke.gg/arena-mechanics/

you can calculate CP requirement by multiplying enemy team CP for 0.846, then checking it against your own team

[urban mulch]

in summary you should build all the teams from scratch if you plan on investing into your pvp teams

[tropic summit]

at your sync it's important to focus on pve and kraken team first, some nikke can be used for PvP so you can make do in between

progression will impact your pvp perfomance aswell, as falling behind will penalize you CP wise

[gentle igloo]

thank you, I suppose PVP will have to wait

[umbral belfry]

ideally yes, you want a min. speed of 3rl. however, that might (currently) end up making you lose because your overall cp would be low if you added in your non-invested pvp units to make a decent team vs a strong-cp team but bad speed.

in short you would have to invest in your pvp units, but at your current level i don't recommend it. keep pushing campaign

[placid bloom]

early on you should just be trying to be faster than everyone else at clearing campaign, you can hold defense simply by being several chapters ahead of your opponents and having better outpost gains. The early core dust checkpoints matter a ton.

[umbral belfry]

but you do have key pvp units in jackal, bisc, and rumani. rh is also good for both pvp and pve

[placid bloom]

it's not like later on where you barely get 1 core dust/hour improvement for clearing an entire chapter

[umbral belfry]

oh and helm treasure

[west shell]

i will keep those in mind

[west shell]

[placid bloom]

I don't think I worked on Jackal until I was like sync 220 or something, batteries can work fine with no OL no doll since you make up for their low CP with higher CP B3

[urban mulch]

and then you got me at sync 416 no noah

my teams are so bricked

[umbral belfry]

oof 😭

[tropic summit]

no noah at 416 is oof material

[swift mango]

Thanks f I got 1 rock instead of 0.

[urban mulch]

making do but i just have to full avoid almost all noah teams

cause my scarlet isnt good enough to kill with just normals with blanc indom

[tropic summit]

[tropic summit]

if noah is running in p1, use siren in p3 or p4 or p5 to stun her
if noah is running in any position but p1 and she's taunt priority, you can run siren in p1 and p2 (suggested linked with jackal)

that's one way to deal against it at least on attack

[urban mulch]

fair, ill take that into acc in the future

[keen vapor]

I'm Snowless at 451 synch

[urban mulch]

i havent read up on pvp targeting mechanics at all lol

[tropic summit]

example of what you can expect

[keen vapor]

Those boxes are 1

[urban mulch]

stun and still lose

[urban mulch]

story of my life

[tropic summit]

yes opponent had a trash scarlet

[urban mulch]

i will look into it tmrw tho

[tropic summit]

sure, hope it helps

[urban mulch]

wasted my attempts today alr hopefully i can defend c10 for at least a few hours lmao

[bitter cipher]

@keen vapor

[swift mango]

Yeah I know

[signal hull]

I swear, they just look at commander level and pick the highest one.

[shell hazel]

so he got both of our rocks? ><

[shell hazel]

and my dinner!

[swift mango]

Let's steal his lunch money!

[shell hazel]

to back up what rail and kuwon said, yes it's best to focus on pve to push campaign first and foremost. You will soon realise you can't really build everyone and then you need to pick and choose what to build unit wise

but being ahead in campaign (both normal + hard) will help your long term goals a lot more and get you more levels, more quickly than your opponents which naturally means you can do better

[swift mango]

No, pull a Rosy and show them who is boss!📈

[fathom rock]

Would i win

Emotional support mmast can swap to boda and maintain similar gap

[shell hazel]

is that a serious would you win question? 😄

[fathom rock]

Yes

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/homeless-nah-id-win-gif-11399565856913576326

[fathom rock]

Ive lost 20% deficit before doing sg vs scarjack

[shell hazel]

your team isn't really a team more of a motley collection of dps lol

[fathom rock]

Sg their link

26% deficit for enemy should win right?

[shell hazel]

should do in reality but I've not faced such a situation to know lol

[fathom rock]

Rest a win right?

[swift mango]

Retro right now:

[shell hazel]

I don't have emi to know how she works for your other t1

[fathom rock]

Surely blood tell me

Instead of making fun of me

[shell hazel]

your other one should do as your noah blocks their cindy and their nothing blocks your cindy not at all lol

[swift mango]

Yeah, you probably win these 2.

[fathom rock]

We ball with sg then

[shell hazel]

[fathom rock]

Lovely day thankies

[tropic summit]

[fathom rock]

I still dunno if pve or pvp for alt and will hoard skill mats and rocks at this rate

[tropic summit]

you still keeping up with alt is amazing on its own

i'd burn out twice as fast

[swift mango]

If you already invest in SR in your main and got 3% or less, why bother doing the same for you alt?. Do something new and try to get that Champ.

Unless you wanted to specialize in different accounts for different elements in SR.

And pull a Shinonono for 5 different account

[swift mango]

He has more than one ALT I think.

His first account is day one account I SEA I guess. Or was there another one?

[tropic summit]

oh ye he had one also on that arabian server

i honestly hope it was a meme account and got tired of it already...

[swift mango]

I used to played 10-20 difference accounts in city sim war games for some games. And 2-5 account when playing gacha. But now I can only play one.

[tropic summit]

you used to be young and hopeful

then realised the horror of running 10-20 different accounts

[fathom rock]

It was a beta

[tropic summit]

so the data is lost once it's over

[fathom rock]

Yeah and gog was supposed to be out with iron sr but it got delayed same exact time sr cancel was announced

[tropic summit]

[swift mango]

There are peeps owning hundreds to thousands of accounts to farm and sell resources. And for common competitive player who aren't in for profit, I have seen those who ran around 100 accounts.

So I realized I would never have the strength to compare with them anyway.

[tropic summit]

what in the world

an entire different kind of life i'd never imagine

reminds me of some dudes running multiple ogame accounts

feels like a speedrun any% to just burn out straight away within weeks if not days

[swift mango]

For gacha there are peeps who played 20 gacha at the same times.

[fathom rock]

3 main issues

1. Yes im way ahead in campaign thanks to pooling invest there but top 4 are c7 typa whales
2. If i make it to champs there is 3 dudes that already beat hard campaign which is crazy lmao
   Ig im just scared

[tropic summit]

the limit is 3 or 4 for me, and 4 means the 4th is likely about to be gone

atm nikke, umamusume and ZZZ

[fathom rock]

Tbf nikke is the onlt gacha game i daily maintain

[tropic summit]

it's because it's quick enough

and you can play it like once every weeks/months

(for pushing)

[fathom rock]

No i must hit ch27H at lv303

Already in ch24

[tropic summit]

what a mad lad

real malderino

[fathom rock]

In contrast urawhat won before and he doesnt spend right?

We same bracket anyway

For ca

[tropic summit]

ye he won b4

his very first team we cooked together actually got him champion

and it was a pretty balanced/simple one

think he ran alice as B3 in one of them

[fathom rock]

What can i even cook as trinaless manaless emiless sanisless

I need trina atleast

[swift mango]

First season really doesn't count much as someone can just luck win because everyone focused on CP and brought bad teams.

[tropic summit]

you can probably cook dinner

[fathom rock]

[tropic summit]

at least he won one...

regardless of situation

will go down in the history books

[swift mango]

Yeah, Megumin beat me and got Champ in my server first season then processing to never get to the top 8 again.

Okay, maybe one time getting to top 8 and lost there.

[tropic summit]

next season you getting your 5th CA win

this season you let others win

[swift mango]

I only have 3 wins total.

[tropic summit]

uh thought it was 4

still 3 is kinda remarkable, means your teams are somewat consistent

[swift mango]

Yeah I keep trying to correct this.

[signal hull]

consistently lucky*

[tropic summit]

or the above

[dense kindle]

When does CA get out of beta?

[swift mango]

My CA bracket only has 3 champ over 6 seasons.

Exclude Megumin I mentioned before. It's either @worldly osprey or me but we usually meet in top 64.

[swift mango]

In 4 years I guess. Like AK base needed 4 years in beta to have update.

[swift mango]

Maybe time for us to have another new champ this season.

[tropic summit]

[dense kindle]

Damn I see, should we expect to keep getting new seasons or is there gonna be a long pause like there was before?

[keen vapor]

So brick

[swift mango]

There wasn't any pause since season 1.

They might pause it for awhile if they wanted to upgrade to beta v2 like Sim room I guess.

[swift mango]

You only lack trina is all. Unless your account is old enough and you skipped Emi.

Then, wishlist Trina and copy @tropic summit because he is in same situation.

[fathom rock]

My alt started in 2nd anni

[tropic summit]

i've s.anis, i only lack emi and i don't use mana

[fathom rock]

No sanis no trina no emi

Okay maybe time to funnel mats into the scar i so desperately needed on my main

[dense kindle]

Oh I was under the assumption CA had ran before. Thank you for the clarification

[swift mango]

Cindy event? I guess you are playing 4 accounts then

[fathom rock]

Huh where did you get this number from

Thats my na

[swift mango]

You have 1 account as old as LD. One account as old as Rail. And now this account as old as hippo.

Then another Arab account

[fathom rock]

Arab not out yet ig thats tru

[pale knoll]

Who's LD

[swift mango]

@unique mountain

[pale knoll]

Since when does retro have one as old as his

His first one is the 421 smt sync

[swift mango]

Yeah, I just know recently.

[pale knoll]

@fathom rock

[fathom rock]

[swift mango]

He joined this server Dec 2023 you see.

[pale knoll]

Yeah, that's when he created his main

LD acc is way older

[fathom rock]

Thats not when i made my global

[pale knoll]

[fathom rock]

Global only started in 2024

I was told to reroll sbs and mod

[swift mango]

His global is probably his main alright. His first account is less known

[pale knoll]

[swift mango]

Didn't you also do the same.

[swift mango]

Oh wait, are you playing all your accounts on the same Gmail? That's lots of freebies you are losing if so...

[fathom rock]

No lmao

I reroll, so same same but different

Cuz salt

[raven plover]

https://tenor.com/view/lazy-fat-cat-gif-9099171831774667595

[tropic summit]

no worries merry already answered

you can go back to the slums

@swift mango any news from the love and deep space adventure?

[covert lintel]

#gacha-rolls message daily 150 first still work sir

[raven plover]

https://tenor.com/view/congrats-nice-happy-for-you-congrats-nice-happy-for-you-gif-1927193140186872022

why you only have 300 gold mileage, what did you use it for

[covert lintel]

Collab char mostly

I don't have much luck for collab

[raven plover]

collab chars all mlb?

[covert lintel]

No, *0

[raven plover]

ok your summer banner pull gonna be blessed with insane luck

4 rate up in 10 pulls trust

[covert lintel]

i hope so

[eager dune]

What are three pvp teams I can use? I dont have all the meta pvpers cuz I started during the 2.5 anni but im subbing with what I can

[lunar pawn]

top defender, bottom attacker
thoughts?

thinking attacker will:
t1 win
t2 win
t3 win
t4 win
t5 win

sweep?

[tropic summit]

taking a look, meanwhile throw rumani in synchro

oh or maybe blood already cookin'

[swift mango]

Not, much I tried to replicate the 2 MC of the story I liked. So I made the fmc looks and name similar to the manga and pulled the dude that look the most like the male lead of that manga. Just got enough copies to build a team 5 mins ago and recharge my phone.

There was a phone call and voice mail system in that game too. Had to close the random phone call from the dude to my FMC because I got only 2% battery left.

Nikke only have no-voice msg chat

LAD doesn't have skip function for story so if you are in a rush to farm story, you can't rush it. But they don't have many battles anyway, so if you skip all story there won't be story mode.

The mini games there are pretty fun, especially the card game. Maybe I would re-install this game later after I uninstall the game just for it.

[tropic summit]

uh so you're surprisingly enjoying it

[tropic summit]

playing sandbox

[swift mango]

Yeah, that mini card game more interesting than the game itself.

[covert lintel]

@lunar pawn

[tropic summit]

blanc alice rapunzel draket helmt (helmT s1 needs to be lvl 10)
naga siren cindy anis jackal
auto

notes:

rumani in synchro, build her, then replace anis with her, team becomes siren rumani cindy naga jackal
wishlist biscuit, trina, noah, rapunzel, scarlet, SBS, centi
build jackal, noise, cindy (especially jackal asap)

get your teams reviewed once the above are fixed (with wishlist it may take time)

[umbral belfry]

SGs can get thru p1 nero?

[umbral crown]

@raven plover @covert lintel @swift mango @tropic summit

[tropic summit]

he finally changed defense?

[umbral crown]

Finally

[tropic summit]

time for you to cook again

[raven plover]

https://tenor.com/view/noway-nowaying-what-huh-gif-27487800

[umbral crown]

Already took it, ez

[tropic summit]

how long did the lad last in ch2

[umbral crown]

25 mins

Well 30to be precise

[covert lintel]

When SGs are attackers, nero will die instantly

[raven plover]

finally after 87 years someone took his throne

[tropic summit]

you gave him 25 minutes at least

[umbral crown]

Was about time to have some action

Was getting rusty

[covert lintel]

[umbral crown]

He using CP pad on team 1

[tropic summit]

more like i can imagine the dude going from forum to forum, surfing the wild dark web to find that one particular defense team to somehow stop you from breaking through the massive CP gap... and yet

here we are

[covert lintel]

That wild dark web is prydwen ig

[umbral crown]

Forgot to make team 2 3 RL but win is a win

[tropic summit]

nvm fairly trash teams all considered

and you didn't even use rosanna against emi

[umbral crown]

Rusty is real

[tropic summit]

tell him to check better sites

[umbral crown]

The lack of action made me do some msitakes

[tropic summit]

considering your pool you can probably 3 win that

[covert lintel]

Wtf MG SMG team

[umbral crown]

Of course

Some action after months

[covert lintel]

You don't even need jackal there, just use trina

[umbral crown]

But but the old way to win

Will leave same defense so i cna have some action from time to time

@polar echo pelg Cooked

You C6

[lunar pawn]

what does that mean?

you think defender is winning?

[unique mountain]

[umbral crown]

crazy

[swift mango]

round 1 is his campaign team lol

[umbral crown]

hahaha he is been doing that pve team in sp since first time i met him

[covert lintel]

Bottom win

[lunar pawn]

oh, so attacker, cool, thanks

[swift mango]

Siren is just 2 month ago though

[umbral crown]

i mean without siren he was always using a cp pad team

he has never used 3 proper teams

i will hope he keeps attacking, so i can have a reason to check sp again

[crystal flicker]

If only he joined this server

[umbral crown]

he is CN i think

421 boost probably its what helped him i guess but soon i will be 401 so overall cp will have more than him

[swift mango]

Btw, LAD is having a wedding banner where you could pull wedding version of the current 5 male character and buy the fmc a wedding dress. In case you want to reinstall the game and whale for marrying event real quick.

[umbral crown]

male chars

[swift mango]

That's a girl game so ofc. Nikke need to make wedding dress too, a way to make bank there.

[umbral crown]

but isabel got one

[swift mango]

she did.

[umbral belfry]

[placid bloom]

why you trying to convert people to LADS gamers

[tropic summit]

[keen vapor]

[tropic summit]

[keen vapor]

Where's Denji and Solid Snake

Where's the Metal Gear Rex shaking his mechanical ass

[tropic summit]

ok Echo broke

[rose plaza]

How to beat this team?

[keen vapor]

Nah.... Well, maybe a little

[tropic summit]

noah biscuit cind helm rumani

alternatively sbs helmT blanc centi jackal (blanc with temperance)

alternatively again any indom 2RL

alternatively again any rosanna 2RL

pick your poison

[rose plaza]

Thanks for giving options because I have not invested on Rumani.

[tropic summit]

reasonable

noah biscuit cind helm jackal is also fine

[keen vapor]

There's no need to Cindy nuke

[tropic summit]

he can use anything on B3 as long as the nuke is absorbed

[keen vapor]

RH, SBS are other options that have higher burst gen

[tropic summit]

noah biscuit flex helmT jackal is probably even more correct

[rose plaza]

This worked like a charm. Thank you so much.

[tropic summit]

@keen vapor

[keen vapor]

☝️

:Modernerd:

[rose plaza]

Thanks for this as well. I'll save it in case the other comp fails.

[tropic summit]

@keen vapor

[keen vapor]

[keen vapor]

Be welcome

[covert lintel]

Alice, forgive me for sac you, i have no other choice

[umbral crown]

in your imagination

[umbral crown]

i would , mine is perfect sacc 0 OL 0 skill investment just SR0 doll for the alice diary

[covert lintel]

but that won't work against whale
You still need to max her

[unique mountain]

[unique mountain]

I understand everything now

[umbral crown]

not gonna happen i do not see myself investing in alice

[covert lintel]

Even if alice treasure is coming?

[umbral crown]

yeah,ez skip

[upper grove]

a true pvp malder

[oblique ridge]

[umbral crown]

the real focus now is to cook hard enough to win CA

[oblique ridge]

I was surprised by union mate cooking hard enough to actually make it to top finals

If he wins and he seems like he would, he’ll be in Champions phase

[umbral crown]

i just made to finals in S4, then no anymore

[raven plover]

wheres my goat emma

[umbral crown]

i need Ein and moran treasures

so i could buy Ein copies in shop

[oblique ridge]

I doubt any currently useful units will ever get a treasure

Like if we wish for Centi treasure, pvp ruined that dream

[umbral crown]

quiry and nero then

[oblique ridge]

Both ruined

[umbral crown]

quiry heals x2

nero DR x3

[oblique ridge]

It has to be a character on the level of Yan. Relegated to permanent bench

[umbral crown]

Soda treasure: Stuns 3 units

[oblique ridge]

Stuns all units including allies for long enough to let Soda take a sip

[umbral crown]

works for me

[oblique ridge]

[covert lintel]

She needs a summer version instead

[oblique ridge]

I think none of the Absolute will get treasure. Cuz we were already teased with their Over-Spec or “new fashion” appearances

That includes Emma. Sorry

[umbral crown]

then give me Laplace skin last chap

[oblique ridge]

Hehe

[umbral crown]

imagine

[oblique ridge]

Tbh Alice treasure would be an amazing move if it did something to remove click spamming advantages

[umbral crown]

[oblique ridge]

Like her burst becomes infinite ammo hold down to chainshoot like Red Hood

I pray harder in Alice Cult

[covert lintel]

It's unfair
Matis squad near all of them get treasure

[oblique ridge]

[raven plover]

bro last year they jebait us

[umbral crown]

then we get a maxwell pass, for inifinty resources

[raven plover]

https://twitter.com/NIKKE_en/status/1804031496275268011

GODDESS OF VICTORY: NIKKE (@NIKKE_en)

【NIKKE Summer Solstice Illustration】

Check out the illustration by YeoNwa/ヨナ (@yeonwa_)!

As it has been hot recently, Absolute Squad decided to set up an ice-cream stand. 🍨

#NIKKE

X · Jun 21, 2024, 6:00 AM

like where my summer absolute

[umbral crown]

summer version with those skins, i would

eunwha new waifu if that happens

and that version good for pvp

[raven plover]

its just illustration :madgeclap:

[umbral crown]

[oblique ridge]

Isn’t it a fan illustration too?

I kind of wish ShiftUp did official illustrations, but it’s almost like they don’t have an artist at all to spare on that

[raven plover]

yea

[oblique ridge]

Even their “art” in the game episodes seems to get accused of being AI

[covert lintel]

I love this eunhwa

[keen vapor]

How

[keen vapor]

How it could be

[raven plover]

https://tenor.com/view/i-need-it-right-now-brody-brown-eyes-on-me-song-i-need-it-as-of-the-moment-its-very-necessary-right-now-gif-14396835384260395824

[oblique ridge]

I’m talking about the accusations and requests I saw in Feedback hehe.

Like there was one talking about Siren art

[keen vapor]

Siren

[covert lintel]

Absolute still not in the main story so maybe that's why no progress on them
Always matis get special treatment

[keen vapor]

That level of detail won't be consistent with AI

[oblique ridge]

#1368241753659805787 message

[raven plover]

summer matis next

[oblique ridge]

It’s the impression I got anyways, I didn’t read the thread

And it’s not the only one, though I don’t see another obvious thread on it… I saw remarks about it in chatter that I now forgot about

[keen vapor]

[oblique ridge]

I read the thread now

[covert lintel]

MW literally always wears swimsuits so the official artist has trouble with the idea for her swimsuit

[oblique ridge]

Anyhoo, I guess I shouldn’t derail pvp

But I think the kitchen is empty tonight

All the cooks went home

[umbral crown]

but im cooking the S8 teams already

[oblique ridge]

I think I’ll keep my teams and maybe put in Biscuit to go with Helm team. And I might invest Nero or Bay. I’m still undecided on which of the 2

[umbral crown]

nero will need all your resources

[oblique ridge]

I kind of dream of Bay + Biscuit but I can’t make it work? Maybe we don’t need Moran in that team?

I can max 1 character fully, though it’ll hurt next character some. That’s SR15, 10/10/10, max bond, max OLs, though whether rocks will get good effects is another matter. Probably just OL and done without caring about lines

I already got 15% chspd helm Technically 16%. Can be 18% with adjutant

Rapunzel still needs chspd

But rn my problem is team still explodes Moran bursts in time though. Everytime

[umbral crown]

same here

[covert lintel]

Gimme the info, i'll copy you

[oblique ridge]

So I was thinking that the Biscuit trend I saw will help me too

It’ll stop Moran exploding, and if there’s a Nero it won’t let her explode

But then I thought what if it was Bay?

Cindy nuking Bay + Biscuit basically can’t kill Bay I think

[umbral crown]

if bay burst fast enough she cna block cindy

[oblique ridge]

What will happen if Bay is in p1 and bursts fast enough?

While Biscuit guards her

Will she still be effective vs Scarlet, Cinderella, etc?

[covert lintel]

But will you get the burst if moran biscuit bay in the same party?

[umbral crown]

yes as long as she burst before them

[oblique ridge]

The idea is if Bay + Biscuit are good enough, get rid of Moran

[covert lintel]

Oh rip i can't
There is a wild mica there

[oblique ridge]

Though that can be pretty hard since it’s easier to comp with goal of getting Moran burst off

[umbral crown]

do not you have her

its the key to block siren and soda stuns

[covert lintel]

No i don't

[umbral crown]

steal from echo

but for a while i have been thinking to invest in maiden for fun in CA

[oblique ridge]

Tho I did find this. I hate Biscuit is in p5 though

[umbral crown]

put her P4 then

[oblique ridge]

Bay must burst

[umbral crown]

Moran/Bay/HelmT/Biscuit/Rapu

[oblique ridge]

Oh? That can?

[umbral crown]

you just need to fix the order

[oblique ridge]

Tbh this is why I asked if Bay in p1 is still effective

[covert lintel]

I got muted for saying echo's fetish

[umbral crown]

have not really seen bay p1 yet

[oblique ridge]

If I invest in Bay I could try it and be the experiment. Sounds fun

But what do I do if it’s a failure

[umbral crown]

every CA i go with new teams

[covert lintel]

Even hobo invest in her, so go for it
My moran gets beaten up by bay

[umbral crown]

emma cooking

[oblique ridge]

Btw anyone know when HelmT’s 5th and 6th shots are if she’s 15% chspd or 18% chspd? Like the RL time. 2.3RL? 2.4RL?

Because it seems like this team is finished with all burst gen except for HelmT’s after 2RL. Meaning full burst bar is whenever HelmT finishes her 6th shot, not later

[oblique ridge]

wtf, your Moran exploded like Biscuit can’t save her

[atomic wolf]

see its either bisc die or helm your choice

might have a better chance to proc if that team had rapunzel p5 against shotgun

[onyx scaffold]

i cooked this ages ago but i sent to the trashcan cuz

• my helm not 17%
• my Bay is not invested
• invested Nero > Bay

[oblique ridge]

Cat > Cheerleader?

[onyx scaffold]

i prefer meta > cheerleader > cat
so nero wins

[oblique ridge]

Funny that the meta Nero Moran team now includes Biscuit Cat and Dog unite

[onyx scaffold]

already?

i cooked that too but then other teams looked like shit and that team was considered overkill...

[umbral crown]

part of nrew keripo cook

[oblique ridge]

This is the new Nero meta team right?

Right position and all

[umbral crown]

si but add cs to biscuit as well

all his RL have 17%+

[oblique ridge]

What would that do? Oh okay

I guess it helps

Nah doesn’t help

[onyx scaffold]

just swap moran and nero on the meantime

[oblique ridge]

Nero not P1?

I thought Nero P2 for her counterattack

[onyx scaffold]

nero p1 better but siren will stun her if rapunzel and biscuit have no cs

actually moran and nero have taunt so maybe it becomes diff

[oblique ridge]

That can’t be. Biscuit CS doesn’t matter because team’s at full burst bar dependent on HelmT’s 6th shot even without Biscuit CS

[onyx scaffold]

how do u know that (i legit dont know)

[oblique ridge]

HelmT gives 19.95% burst gen or so going from 2RL to 2.5RL, in 2 shots. So 9.95%ish per HelmT shot. With Biscuit having the chspd lightning icon, 2.5RL becomes 106%.

This is not enough to let HelmT skip her 6th shot

106 - 9% = under 100%

So Biscuit chspd fails to help achieve full burst bar faster, I think

So when it already says 100.68%, and Biscuit’s only fired 2 shots for 2RL (she didn’t fire one in 2.5), it means it’s a done matter as long as HelmT fires her 6th shot

[onyx scaffold]

[oblique ridge]

That’s why I asked earlier for the timing of when HelmT fires that shot, was trying to find the “RL speed” equivalent

[raven plover]

I wanna was going to try that but not sure if its enough dmg/stall ended up running teams without biscuit this season

[oblique ridge]

But actually now that I think about it, I was lazy.. I have replays of my own HelmT team

I can just check the clock when HelmT fires 6th shot

[onyx scaffold]

how come you need helm's 6th shot to full bar?

[oblique ridge]

Because if you play with Nikke Deck individual characters, you notice that chspd less RLs tend to fire no shots during the 2RL-2.5RL period

Like a no-chspd Rapunzel is 11.6% 2RL, and still 11.6% 2.5RL, and only 2 shots fired the whole time

[onyx scaffold]

i will go watch some helm vid

[oblique ridge]

Which means at 2RL Rapunzel already “used everything” in terms of speed (if no chspd!)

This applies to Biscuit too

So in such a situation, you’re really only waiting on Moran, Nero, and HelmT firing their shots to hit full burst bar. Oh and since we still need 1 of the remaining RLs to also have chspd, might as well pick Rapunzel (faster heals)

[onyx scaffold]

even this Bay's coach benched Bay for Nero

[oblique ridge]

(ofc, need Rapunzel chspd too, but the point was we can skip investing in Biscuit chspd)

[crystal flicker]

It's stall, you can use Bay in SG comp to avoid single AoE target Nuke

[oblique ridge]

I just like Bay more than Nero, I feel slightly sad by the Nero craze

[crystal flicker]

Nero Moran just too valuable, I can fight C7 Cindy + Noise with LB0 Nero and she still survives

[restive willow]

Nero Moran and Bay Moran just satisfy different niches imo

[oblique ridge]

I’m going to have to pray when I invest rocks into Rapunzel

I hate burning a lot of rocks for chspd for pvp reasons

[onyx scaffold]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/968098119717904433/1129380631768481852/D182A11F-CE49-4A62-BF84-03E89323C0C8.gif

[crystal flicker]

It's worth

[onyx scaffold]

can 2.5RL block 2RL nuke from scarlet? someone told me no so i didn't bother to raise Bay as plan

[restive willow]

No

[oblique ridge]

2.3RL can block it - the B2 will burst in time. Figuring out if you have 2.3RL is a headache for me

And you’d need 2.2RL if your team feeds a Scarlet Jackal too much

[restive willow]

5SG can use B2 before 2RL B3 but the timing becomes ruined once that 2RL has CS

[oblique ridge]

First step to making it easier for me to figure out is determining what RL speed HelmT’s 6th shot is at

Because that’s the bottleneck

[umbral belfry]

i've seen moran/rapu/helm/bay/lap win against a 2rl scar but idk the specifics of it. i guess maybe if moran can get her burst off?

[oblique ridge]

15-18% chspd HelmT fires her 6th shot before 2.5RL (not “at” 2.5RL), but idk if it’s 2.3, 2.4
(This was a bad calculation, later on I realized that someone slipped me a hallucinogen. Nikke Deck was showing 6 hits because Helm does 2 “hits” per shot)

[umbral belfry]

granted i say 'win', but most of the units died on the moran team

might as well just run moran bay 2rl

[crystal flicker]

wdym 6th

[oblique ridge]

HelmT fires 4 shots in 2RL time

[restive willow]

Oh fun calculations

[oblique ridge]

5th and 6th shots take place during the leadup to 2.5RL time

As according to this

[crystal flicker]

[oblique ridge]

And here’s without chspd

[eager mountain]

waiting for max to become another pvp unit

[restive willow]

18% helm would reduce 6 frames per shot, so her 3rd shot lands at 3RL (116) - hitscan (8) - reduction (18) so 90. That's just enough to match 2RL B3 with your 3RL B2

[crystal flicker]

Both SR and RL shoot same time, SR just hit first coz no travel speed

[restive willow]

But becomes ruined once 2RL has cs build

[forest zodiac]

can someone help me with this pls?
my shiftypad https://www.blablalink.com/shiftyspad/nikke-list?uid=MjkwODAtNTk2MDgxNzQwNDgxMzY0NzYwOQ%3D%3D

[oblique ridge]

That means as long as your team depends on the HelmT 6th shot, you’re good with your B2 bursting in time unless Jackal got fed too much.

And of course, unless what Eaux just jinxed us with: the 2RL team has chspd too

[crystal flicker]

2RL CS maybe the peak

[restive willow]

Also the issue with having something really tight with HelmT CS

If you see a Cindy P5 as you being an attacker, HelmT S2 will not proc

[oblique ridge]

I mean, you can’t go any faster than that unless you achieve basically 110% 2.5RL -and- that 110% is achieved in a timeframe faster than HelmT’s 6th shot… this means you can throw out HelmT’s 9.95% or so burst gen from the 6th shot. It becomes HelmT took 5 shots only.

That means you can rely on bursting much faster than that additional shot.

But idk if RL travel time ruins this. Does 2.5RL’s 3rd shot land same time as HelmT’s 6th shot?

[eager mountain]

its only realistic to gurantee b1 before b3 with helm cs, otherwise its just coping ur opponent has worse cs

[restive willow]

build 25% CS on Helm. problem solved

now you're even faster than 5SG

[eager mountain]

and still get f*cked by 15 cs 2rl malder

and requires blue lines, all that and still cant get the job done

[oblique ridge]

Anyone know if 2.5RL with chspd (like a Rapunzel) will land their 3rd shot before a with-chspd HelmT’s 6th shot?

[restive willow]

Why 6th?

[umbral crown]

https://tenor.com/view/first-time-debbie-smith-brayden-holt-wentworth-is-this-your-first-gif-22815379

[eager mountain]

6th for helm crit buff ig

[restive willow]

RL with 18% CS will land its shot at frame 98 (116 - 18)

[oblique ridge]

Because that’s when HelmT has dumped all the burst gen she can hope to (aside from 25% chspd)

[restive willow]

HelmT with 18% CS will land her 3rd shot at frame 90 (just subtracting 8)

HelmT just has 8 frame advantage over RL only because of the hitscan. She doesn't shoot "faster" in the sense that she shoots more bullets than RLs

[crystal flicker]

Both 18%

[restive willow]

that rapunzel shot 5 times wtf that's scary

[oblique ridge]

So you mean to say when HelmT fires the 6th shot.. RLs do too.. but HelmT’s hit instantly, while RLs have to travel 8 frames?

[eager mountain]

its wonder, normally p1 3rl hits 3s26f, both helm and emi with 20 cs cut that 26 f off for it to be just 3s

[restive willow]

yeah. subtract 1 frame for P3 and P4, and 2 frames for P5

[oblique ridge]

Okay then that means it can be possible. Let me recheck

[restive willow]

is this based on counting any first shot as 0 frames? (like, 1st SG shot at frame 0)

[oblique ridge]

Wait this is confusing

Something is very wrong

Does HelmT have a built in chspd?

[restive willow]

No?

[crystal flicker]

You need to make Calculator like me

[eager mountain]

should be 2 frames after start of match

[oblique ridge]

Then why does HelmT fire 6 shots by 3RL (no chspd), and Rapunzel only fires 3 by 3RL (no chspd)?

[crystal flicker]

You're high man

[eager mountain]

cuz ur rap got stunned by siren

[restive willow]

What am I smoking, I can't math right now

[oblique ridge]

It’s what Nikke Deck is telling me, and I find it difficult to reconcile with the fact that RLs and Snipers should be using the same shots, like your image here confirms - we can see that HelmT and Rapunzel used up the same ammo

[restive willow]

3RL is 116 frames, so it is 90 + 26

[restive willow]

It's hard to do frame calculations with the deck app alone. You should instead put a deck with no CS and do frame reductions manually

[oblique ridge]

Well, this changes things some. If in fact HelmT isn’t firing more bullets than RLs, then what I thought was wrong

[eager mountain]

helm has extra hit cuz of her skill

[quick lake]

hi all, can see here
nikke.work

[oblique ridge]

Oh wait

[eager mountain]

not like she fires double shots

[quick lake]

frame calc

[oblique ridge]

Yes, additional damage, that’s the difference

[restive willow]

memorize 1RL = 38, 1SG = 21, but if a burst activation aligns at an odd frame, round up to even

[quick lake]

https://nikke.work

[oblique ridge]

Okay, now it makes sense to me

And it also means it’s possible to speed up

[restive willow]

that website counts 1RL at 76... so at 60fps and 1st hit at 0 frames?

[oblique ridge]

Basically I was probably wrong @onyx scaffold

[eager mountain]

seems perfect except having to manual minus cs
but i dont think the frames align unless first 2 universal frames are already subtracted

[oblique ridge]

Could be Biscuit chspd is needed too

[quick lake]

idk. Last CN/TW checked, it was accurate. Afaik, only bullet travel time not taken into account

[eager mountain]

yeah ar hits 1st frame there so its subtracted

the 2 frames only matters to passives like centi s2 anyways

[restive willow]

slightly trippy because of 60fps calculation, but it looks correct to me

it doesn't show when your b1 b2 and b3 activate though

[eager mountain]

does

[oblique ridge]

Basically, it also turns out that when 18% chspd Helm/Rapunzel/Biscuit shoots, you reduce the need for Nero and Moran to keep shooting to reach full burst bar by a few shots. So it has an influence on speed.

It’s a little unrelated to what we were talking about but it’s because I was forgetting that HelmT is really also only firing 3 shots, not 6 shots. Because the entire time I forgot about HelmT proccing additional hit on full charge shots

[restive willow]

ooh I didn't scroll enough, mb

[oblique ridge]

Is also why some of you were confused when I kept talking about 6th shot

[restive willow]

But slight gripe that it adds blind 26 frames (at 60fps) to calculate b1. It's 12 frames at 30fps, except when your burst aligns at an odd-numbered frame when it rounds up to even

[eager mountain]

tho that burst framing is still universal there, dont think all burst casts 0.1s after

[restive willow]

so 12, but conditionally 13

otherwise b1->b2 and b2->b3 look good

[quick lake]

It shows 60fps values, but also accurate for 30fps. iirc they made a beta 30fps then launched the 60fps

[oblique ridge]

I was All cleared up now

[quick lake]

yeah, burst delay not accounted i think

[crystal flicker]

I hate the UI

[quick lake]

Its something at least

[eager mountain]

hard to fit all bullet frames in a clean ui

[restive willow]

it seems to have burst usage timings, but not burst effect activation

[eager mountain]

it looks clean enough to me

[oblique ridge]

Now I have to save rocks for both Rapunzel and Biscuit if I want to do this

[quick lake]

Are u becoming a pvp main?

[forest zodiac]

may I ask for help with this please? #pvp-arena message

[eager mountain]

oh yeah, its cast frame not active frame

[oblique ridge]

Dunno. I mean, I kinda want more Expert frames (I really like the silver) and I don’t want to get kicked out of SPA top 3 It’s kind of ambiguous and totally unnecessary

[restive willow]

i can see it can be slightly problematic for units like Bay (9 frame delay) but in the vast majority of the cases you don't need ot distinguish cast vs activation

[quick lake]

Still useful site to know which unit/projectile is the limiting cs%

[oblique ridge]

Also doesn’t help that if I dump resources on PvP, it usually takes away from PvE. I already did a bit of dumping and I actually half regret it now

[restive willow]

Also maybe if they could, they should show what takes priority if two things align on the same frame. Like, if you try to use burst at exactly siren stun timing, you get stunned first

[oblique ridge]

Though it resulted in me beating back my SPA that suddenly tried to rebel against the status quo

[quick lake]

oh no

[oblique ridge]

I dumped, then they rebelled, and I brought out my pvp invested units to browbeat them into submission

So that worked out fine

[restive willow]

who made this webpage?

looks like CN community

[quick lake]

Well known TW & CN peep iirc

[sleek imp]

always

sweaty asians

[quick lake]

Basial and gang might be working on a frame calc in EN

So calcs everywhere

[restive willow]

Maybe then I should take the KR side >:)

[sleek imp]

[crystal flicker]

It'll be helpful if they can also make combat simulator

[eager mountain]

thats 100x more work

[crystal flicker]

Do you know 2.5RL 25CS = 2RL 5CS