pvp-arena

[crystal flicker]

The thing is Moran taunts when she burst or reload

[wicked horizon]

And?

[copper creek]

and your cindy decoy in p3 does not help matters

yeah if emilia21 + 1 quantum, the moran will take the taunt

anyway none of this conversation needs to happen, this is a waste of my time

[crystal flicker]

Back to drunk

[copper creek]

the solution to moran/nero is blanc, or nuke them faster than they get their burst chain off

[wicked horizon]

Why would it matter even if it is 2.5 RL?

[copper creek]

.

[swift mango]

probably. Siren stun then Cindy wipe.

[wicked horizon]

Thanks Blood.
It didn't work though, I lost. 😔

[swift mango]

Did you stun Nero with Siren though?

[wicked horizon]

I don't know, the replay crashed on me or something.

Classic Nikke client.

[swift mango]

Unless Nero team has 25% CS on HelmT or 21% on Emi, Moran shouldn't burst before Siren stun, according to Merry.

[wicked horizon]

Is 25% CS on Helm even possible?

Oh, or 21% on Emi. I'd believe that.

[swift mango]

very

it's the highest mileage you could reach

[swift mango]

21% not counting her S1.

[wicked horizon]

Still. 4 black CS lines is 24.36%, which is why 25% is suspect.

[swift mango]

adjustant

[wicked horizon]

Yeah, but still very hard.

[swift mango]

4.56
5.8
5.8
5.6
+adjustant cube

is the lowest for 25%.

you need zero black line

[wicked horizon]

Still needs several hundred rocks.

[swift mango]

yeah

[wicked horizon]

Well, maybe not. If they had nothing else on their Helm.

But gosh, who'd do that.

That's why 21% Emi is believable.

[swift mango]

or just gitgud and used 18 rocks like @raven plover

[wicked horizon]

When's Arena reshuffle so I can get rid of these bots. 😔

[covert lintel]

So 21.76 is considered as 25%?

[swift mango]

You could still lose even if you wiped in time though. oh wait.... you used Blanc without Biscuit , it's obviously a lose.

[swift mango]

it

5.8*2 round up + 5.6 round up + 4.56 round up = 12+6+5= 23.

Nikke math is weird.

23+2.12 round down (cube)=25

[covert lintel]

[covert lintel]

How about mine?

[swift mango]

22%

[covert lintel]

[quick lake]

a lil shy of 25

[oblique ridge]

You mean 5.8% * 2 = 12% and 6.08% * 2 = 12%?

What madness is this. Nikke needs to fix this

[swift mango]

5.8x2=11.6 round up to 12.
6.08x2=12.16 round down to 12.

5.8x3=17.4 round down to 17 though.
6.08x3=18 still

[covert lintel]

So i need to make 1 more blue above 5.5cs to make 25%

https://tenor.com/view/oreimo-sena-akagi-korose-gif-21775134

[swift mango]

It was info from Rheax from CN. I have been using it and looks consistent.

The CS mileage also came from CN.

@quick lake the CN master.

[shell hazel]

you can't get to 25% can you? 24% should be highest (unless this acts like 25%?)

[swift mango]

Adjustant

[shell hazel]

ah ofc

[swift mango]

My Bay is 8% now, just a little bit more for 9%... maybe 20 rocks more.

need to reroll to 4.33% or above. 19% rate, But with my luck it would probably take 20 attempt

already done 2. So 18 more rocks it is.

Scratching bottomline of 11% already hard enough for me.

[shell hazel]

I always need rocks but I never have rocks 😦

@umbral belfry you awake? 😮

[raven plover]

we get summer neon treasure before emma?

[raven plover]

17

[swift mango]

How about Purple Neon?

[raven plover]

turns purple neon into ssr

[shell hazel]

wen SSR belorta?

https://tenor.com/view/belorta-belorta-nikke-nikke-nikke-belorta-waifu-gif-447543215830169354

[shell hazel]

she's got a clip RL in her SSR version I'm sure of it

[swift mango]

Man I stuck at mother whale 340 on tetra tower. Blue but can't clear. Play on mobile, screen so lag I can't aim for jack with Alice. Let it on auto and she keeps firing at objectives.

I think I need to reset Alice.

Max Sumer Sakura instead.

[tropic summit]

blue CP you should be able to blowup the core

wait you playing on phone...?

[swift mango]

Not if Alice can't hit.

[oblique ridge]

I found out that Gatrix quit his spreadsheet. I checked Kosix’s, and compared to Nikke Deck. They don’t match. Jackal, Scarlet, Emilia, Centi, Blanc yields 3RL in Kosix spreadsheet, but 2.5RL in Nikke Deck.

Which is more accurate?

From Nikke Deck

From Kosix spreadsheet

[swift mango]

It's 2rl regardless

[oblique ridge]

Not the point

Someone has wrong numbers

Either both, one, or the other It appears logically impossible for both to be correct

[swift mango]

Bastial said he pulled info from JP.

Idk about @bleak shale

@lusty gull

[oblique ridge]

Do you know a trick for calculating decimal full bar times? Like if it’s going to be 2.1RL instead of actually 2RL or 2.5RL?

[swift mango]

Just go to the speardsheet and look at non SR, RL burst gen in your team.

[oblique ridge]

This comp is actually considered 2.1RL time by Gatrix’s spreadsheet. Of course, assuming one ignores Jackal feed and cubes, etc

So take that burst gen going from XRL to YRL and divide by ammo used in this period?

[swift mango]

Even by Bas7ial standard it's still not 2.1 RL without quantum

[oblique ridge]

Scarlet and Blanc are 6 ammo each, Scarlet generates 2.7 burst, Blanc generates 1.2 burst, in this period.

So 3.9 burst generated, but over 6 shots from ARs.

0.65 burst generated per AR volley (from the two characters combined).

[swift mango]

0.1 RL scar and Blanc only fire 1 bullet.

[oblique ridge]

It’s 0.5RL for these 6 shots, so 0.83~RL per AR volley

Yeah, for 2.1 to be possible, Scarlet and Blanc can only fire one shot each. Wth

That means it has to be extremely close to 2.5RL already

No, that’s the wrong phrasing… should I be saying, “extremely close to 2RL already”?

My head should be spinning

[swift mango]

Just trust @lusty gull

He is 2 team champions. And he pulled from JPN.

CN players > Japan/Korean players > Global players

[oblique ridge]

Right, it has to come up short of 2RL by 0.65, or in other words 99.35% or higher burst gen at 2RL

[swift mango]

Skill wise.

And money wise too.

His tools are easier to use too. No offense to Kosmiu, when Bas7ial quit we would go back to his sheets

[oblique ridge]

Either way, I think I understand the trick now for calculating the unshown decimal RLs

We can add a single character to Nikke Deck comp and it’ll show its 2RL to 2.5RL distance

We take that then find out how many ammo the character would use in this distance too

Then we can figure it out for a full comp that came up short of the RL we want

So unless the game does weird stuff like bundle ammo shots all together instead of one by one

Should be accurate, and, also if the JP numbers he pulled for Nikke Deck are accurate, we don’t really have to worry unless it’s about between 2RL and 2.5RL

[quick lake]

#pvp-arena message
For your reference. "2.5RL" technically doesn't exist. Most accurately would be to use frames, or maybe SMG pellets

[crystal flicker]

Nikke deck easier to craft instant teams, Nikke sheets better if you want to do extra calc and customise it

[swift mango]

Technically 2.5rl is b1 at AR 26th bullet.

[crystal flicker]

My calc use Kosmiu's fork from Gatrix that I customise

[quick lake]

Trust Blood. He gonna be 5 time CA champion

[crystal flicker]

And updated with Kosmiu's newest sheets

[quick lake]

I trust Kosmiu's math

[swift mango]

Trust @quick lake so he could be champ.

[quick lake]

No Emilia, no champ

I will be Surface Content Main

[crystal flicker]

I trust myself coz none will trust me

[swift mango]

Guess time to reroll in global

[quick lake]

Reroll aint gonna gv me Emilia

[quick lake]

My Champion

[crystal flicker]

Also the diff from Kosmiu's and Bastial's is the fire rate

Someone talk about this there before

[quick lake]

Doesn't need to be so micro. cs% breakpoints most impt imo. Maybe occasionally taking into account bullet travel time

[swift mango]

It gives you a bracket without her.

[crystal flicker]

#pvp-arena message

[swift mango]

Don't do it on SEA though.

You will be forced into Bracket with XAnne and Emi

My bracket.

[crystal flicker]

What's Scarlet gen per bullet?

[quick lake]

Oh interesting. JP accounted for bullets during travel time

0.45 per shot

[swift mango]

O.4%

[oblique ridge]

What’s Siren’s proc in RL time?

50 SMG shots

[swift mango]

About 3.5rl

[quick lake]

I think Alt has the numbers

[oblique ridge]

After 5 SG shots, before 6 SG shots

[placid bloom]

it's between like 2.6-2.7 or something, just slightly faster than 0cs 2RL B2

[swift mango]

[crystal flicker]

#pvp-arena message

[oblique ridge]

So 2.56~RL

If Noah bursts at 2.56RL exact she’d beat Siren stun

[quick lake]

U need 11% cs team-wide to dodge siren stun

[swift mango]

Burst 1 still has delay so 2.5rl B1 won't be before Siren.

[quick lake]

11% cs has been tested pretty widely afaik

[swift mango]

That's for 2rl B2.

We still don't know exactly the CS for 3rl burst 1.

Merry said, 25% on helm. But take it with a grain of salt

[quick lake]

I know the 11% cs supposedly takes into account P1 RL travelling time. Idk about 2RL B2 or other variations. Probably can math

[lusty gull]

both data are fine, nikke deck use jp burst gen data since sometimes because i feel it more accurate but about hit count it's still from @bleak shale data

[swift mango]

It's 11% CS for 2rl B2 to ignore siren. 2rl B3 still stun.

[crystal flicker]

This the new math, more accurate and explains the 11% CS cast & proc time

[quick lake]

Just get all units to 18% cs

[swift mango]

If we count bullet.

Siren stun at Scarlet 33rd bullet, so about 3.1rl.

This is Fact, not math

[quick lake]

Hmmm

[oblique ridge]

So is it correct to say that a team that full bars at 1.8RL will evade Siren stun on Noah p1?

[swift mango]

I guess.

[quick lake]

yeah, should dodge at 1.8RL

[oblique ridge]

That’s essentially what 11% CS on all RLs is doing

[swift mango]

That's what I'm targeting for my roster. A baby step

[quick lake]

Specifically 11% P1/2, 8% cs on the rest should still dodge i think

Just get all to 11% to be safe ig

[crystal flicker]

AR RoF 10/s (30FPS), 33 bullets = 33/10 = ~3.3s
SMG RoF 15/s (30FPS), 50 bullets = 50/15 = 3.3s
The math checks, I don't know what's the issue

[swift mango]

Doubt. You go and test.

Hey, maybe I could.

[swift mango]

Well, by Kosmiu it's 32 bullets at 3rl. So it's weird.

[quick lake]

idk. Me is retiree. No more math

[oblique ridge]

GIF of math chasing down Rheax

[swift mango]

I mean test in rookie. No need math

[quick lake]

but i got no 8% cs units

nor 11%

[swift mango]

You 6 to 10% is fine.

Or could use SR without CS and equip with adjustant

[crystal flicker]

2RL = 2.6s
3.33 - 2.6 = 0.73s = 0.5748 RL
3.33 = 2.5748 RL

[oblique ridge]

Latest trend is to use Noah with Emilia, though there’s also Noah with Cinderella

So not much for Noah + non-RL/SR

Any other trends with Noah?

[quick lake]

I've been seeing some P3/4 Noah to avoid Siren/Soda stun

[oblique ridge]

Just noticed that 4SG and 5SG doesn’t have an inbetween for 2RL and 2.5RL So a SG can’t help make sub-2.5RL speed

Has to be AR, SMG, MG, or charge speed modified RL/SR. Or Jackal feed by these from others.

[stuck pike]

if LM is p1 or p2, Noah can still be stunned bcuz of taunt potentially.

[quick lake]

yeah true

[oblique ridge]

What are the shots per 0.5RL or 1RL?
AR is 6 per 0.5RL?
SMG is 10 per 0.5RL?
MG is assumed to be in full rate of fire, and that’s what, 30 per 0.5RL?

[stuck pike]

Scarlet P1 if given Blanc indom, but stunned from immediately bursting can still just kill a LM team if they're not built against it. It just delays her slash and they still take counterattack damage.

[stuck pike]

not much changed, same as before. Only other b3 that uses Noah is Sanis besides them generally

LM Scarlet eats the Sanis team for breakfast usually.

[oblique ridge]

Bullets fired between 2RL (4SG?) and 2.5RL (5SG)
6 AR
8 SMG
0 SR
27 MG
1 SG
1 SBS

The 1 SG/SBS is misleading, not sure if it is actually hitting before 2.5RL in a meaningful way

[stuck pike]

hitscan vs projectile delays are something to consider

[oblique ridge]

How does that avoid Soda stun?

[quick lake]

Yeah, it doesnt necessarily avoid

[bleak shale]

its probably something with a hidden update iirc they had something about initial fire timing but i was working on a new version already

before life hit me

[quick lake]

Take care

[oblique ridge]

Does Cinderella have more shots than a RL in same timespan?

[quick lake]

Yeah she should

[swift mango]

First shot in 1 RL.

Then 3 shots per RL after.

Not very accurate but roundly there. Like 3.33

[oblique ridge]

Does Moran burst have a delay for taking effect identical to Noah’s delay?

[swift mango]

I assume yes

[oblique ridge]

That means 2.5RL Moran will always B1 burst and take effect before a 1.8RL’s B3 can burst

[tropic summit]

a 1.8RL? you guys digging deep

[lavish lintel]

Can I get an example of what team comp would Rosanna fit into for Arena?

[wild badge]

🎈

[shell hazel]

Just put Ros in solo she got this 😄

[gritty ridge]

Would anyone happen to have a list of all clip sg/rl

[quick lake]

in pins

[lavish lintel]

Ow thats handy

[quick lake]

ClipRL: Centi Rumani Trina Anis Jackal
ClipSG: Pepper, Sugar, Noir, Drake, viper Maiden BSoda

[gritty ridge]

Thx homeslice

I shall now not cook cuz I have like none of those

Ive got bsoda, drake, noir, centi, trina, anis, and jackal

No

You cant burst

[grand plaza]

Yeah I am kinda surprised seeing this

[gritty ridge]

If they replaced anchor with another b1 it could work, slow tho cuz 4 stage burst

If im using blanc, do I always feed jackal or can I work around?

Please im trynna cook

[quick lake]

blanc alone should be alright

[gritty ridge]

Is lud viable?

[grand plaza]

Nope

[raven plover]

og lud? her dmg taken down is for herself sadly, she might survives but entire team gone

[gritty ridge]

Chat did I cook

Jackal links blanc and rh im pretty sure

[gaunt viper]

If my Emi is 7/7/7, does making any of her other skills lvl 10 help a lot in terms of dmg?

also shes only got 1 atk line and just now I Rerolled for it and in 20 rolls not a single atk line showed up

[tropic summit]

well you better ensure it does or you'll be losing blanc

that team is still rather slow anyway

[gritty ridge]

Any tips to make better?

[tropic summit]

if you got nothing else, it will have to do

[placid bloom]

You trying to indom RH?

[gritty ridge]

Ideally

[gritty ridge]

Ive definitely got other units

[tropic summit]

the idea is decent but the speed is bad

blanc rh flex flex jackal assuming blanc and rh are linked with RH having higher HP than jackal would ensure RH is indommed

but you want that to be at least 3RL

[gritty ridge]

Yeah im assuming cindy and quiry slowing me down

[tropic summit]

ye cindy in particular

she's the weakest contributor of burst gen in the whole game

[gritty ridge]

Rip cindy ig

[tropic summit]

in fact, in p2 it gives opponent RLs an extra 1.25x burst gen

[gritty ridge]

[tropic summit]

just rethink quiry or cindy and promote it to 3RL

as a very quick bandaid, this is an option

[gritty ridge]

If I had helmT I could put her in but solo raid not existing makes that not happen

[tropic summit]

alternative without cindy and keeping quiry, a burst clip SG tier battery is enough

[placid bloom]

I think you lose RH B1 if you are using Helm since Blanc unlinks

[gritty ridge]

Ah yeah

[tropic summit]

blanc having more atk% than a treasured attacker unit is probably asking a lot

just free up a clip RL from other teams and replace them with helmT

at that point you can keep your blanc + RH indom

[gritty ridge]

Rh b3 means I get countered by Noah, right?

[placid bloom]

Only if they’re also on Biscuit

[tropic summit]

that team to get countered would need p1 taunt

if just noah alone and no biscuit, you'd be fine

[placid bloom]

Some people might not have both at your sync

So you can get away with it

[gaunt viper]

Also why is my T2 thats supposed to be RL2 not being RL2? is it from Emi dying?

[tropic summit]

how's that team 2RL?

[gaunt viper]

T2

[tropic summit]

oh ye one rocket didn't land (see on top right)

you should consider rosanna in this matchup, makes life way easier

[gritty ridge]

Does bay have to burst for skill 1 and 2?

[gaunt viper]

I dont have an invested Rosanna . any other recommendations perhaps?

[tropic summit]

run a less aggressive team and let siren stun emilia, that way you get an indommed emilia but a RH B3

[gritty ridge]

Cuz if bay works on offburst I was thinking this might work

[tropic summit]

a 2RL noah team with siren works well for that

[tropic summit]

no she does not

[gritty ridge]

Sad

OK, back to kitchen I go

[tropic summit]

just get that team to 3RL with whatever flex it's fine

as long as CP is decent, 3RL indom with jackal is fine

(at your sync especially)

[gritty ridge]

Honestly I can only have 2 competitive cp teams with my invest, so ill usually lose defense in d1/challenger

[gaunt viper]

issue is I need Noah team for T3 🤔

[tropic summit]

then rethink teams

[gaunt viper]

for T1, do you think pushing Emi from 7s to 10 on any of her skills might win that fight?

I know but ive been rethinking for days now

[tropic summit]

run blanc instead of trina in T1 if you're unsure you can survive after killing noise
you're kicked to 2RL even if 3RL because of s.anis shooting p5 jackal

the whole point of T1 is killing noise to prevent B1 from going off, then slowly murder them

T3 is no brain, sustain/indomless scarlet, just punish the glass cannon by tanking the nuke

siren being p3 means she cannot stun noah from any position but p1

work on teams like the above if you wanna take this approach

[gaunt viper]

I actually was running that comp against them before in T3 but Noah in p2 and was getting stunned all the time. The interesting thing is i was able to beat all 3 teams with what I showed you for a few days, then it just kinda stopped and fell apart

[tropic summit]

siren is p3, noah taunts p1 and p2, you cannot get stunned here

if you run noah p1, you will get stunned because siren shoots p1

[shell hazel]

got a video showing that as it doesn't make sense to me either

[gaunt viper]

sounds good to me then 🤔. didn't know it worked like that tbh

[tropic summit]

try again and record it, you should win as long as T1 wipes on nuke or wipes afterward but noise has to be killed during nuke, T3 just glass cannon antinuke

[shell hazel]

siren in p3 can only shoot p1 so unless your p1 is dead and she's shooting your noah at p2 you can't get stunned by siren p3

[gaunt viper]

it was p1 Noise and p2 Noah and Noah would get stunned while noise was alive

[shell hazel]

would only apply if siren is in p1/p2 not p3, maybe they moved siren to p3?

[tropic summit]

on noah taunt priority teams and against siren in p1 or p2, noah will get stunned cuz she's taunting siren in either p1 or p2
on noise taunt priority teams and against siren in p1 or p2, noise will get stunned but only after casting B1

the whole point here is that you dealing with siren in p3, she can only stun p1 as she cannot be taunted pre bursting

[gritty ridge]

I cooked

3rl

[shell hazel]

bay p1

bay is useless p1 tbh, and less than 2RL

[gritty ridge]

[shell hazel]

her burst relies on her cover, which will be deleted before you burst at 3RL

just run Noise at P1 siren is backup b1 and will burst if noise dies

[tropic summit]

noise siren cindy bay helmt

fix the order and that team becomes somewat anti nuke + nuke + stun p1 pressure

[gaunt viper]

I was curious but does it matter in T3 if its SBS or Cindy?

[tropic summit]

you should use burst gen calc yourself to figure it out

cindy/SBS or any B3 will work

avoid SGs obviously

[gritty ridge]

My 2 sp teams, yay

Actually I swapped miranda for anchor for more cp

It may not burst ever but its a decent cp

[gaunt viper]

It worked out and I barely managed to beat T2 as well . Thank you for all the help and helping rethink it. I genuinely appreciate that

[shell hazel]

I'd swap crown/naga over, crown has a better b2 at least

no biscuit?

[gritty ridge]

Me or cain?

[shell hazel]

yours

[gritty ridge]

I do have bisuit

[shell hazel]

you can run defender | flex | biscuit | flex | defender and it's tanky at least

as crown is a defender she can guard the flanks

smash another defender on the other side and you're fairly resilient

[gritty ridge]

I could do this

If rh dies its joever

[grand plaza]

Whats the point of Crown here tho

[gritty ridge]

Cp

[tropic summit]

ye flawless, you ran a less aggresive T2 stun and got emi stunned, forcing RH B3, which then shoots p1 who's biscuit invulnerable, or would've shot then p2 which was indommed

you welcome btw, good job

[shell hazel]

put crown p5, red hood p4

I'd drop naga if you have a better option she feeds

plus she's fairly slow

[gritty ridge]

Naga is my 2nd highest cp unit

I could put rrh but im pretty sure she also feeds

Slowest team in the west

[shell hazel]

she does, put naga p2 then

[gaunt viper]

Thank you very much, that means a lot from the pvp Guru

[shell hazel]

slow as hell though 😄

I doubt anything cuts to RH easily to kill her here at least, outside of like rosanna or similar high atk target things

[gritty ridge]

Its not 8 rl

[shell hazel]

you promote to 3RL with a better battery than Naga though

like rumani or centi or w/e

[gritty ridge]

Yeah once im done investing campaign units then ill be able to do better in pvp

[shell hazel]

decent enough, your t2 is super weak though

is miranda treasured?

[gritty ridge]

Not yet

She will be soon tho

[shell hazel]

she is your only b1 and at p1 is risky

[gritty ridge]

Rrh is also b1

[grand plaza]

RRH only works as b1 if there is no B1 at the start

[shell hazel]

she won't be if miranda is present

[gritty ridge]

Nah if one dies she switches

Unless pvp is different

[shell hazel]

only after burst cycle

which you may not reach if miranda is dead

[gritty ridge]

Good point, ill put miranda p4

[shell hazel]

p4 is safest, p3 is OK, for the single point of failure try and stay away from 1/2/5

[gritty ridge]

I dont think team 2 is bursting if im being honest

[shell hazel]

it's 8RL

[gritty ridge]

Also does bay and noise health buff stack on cindy?

[shell hazel]

and it gives 100% feed in 4RL lol if the opponent has a jackal

this team is junk and will be target for sure

[gritty ridge]

Idk, my bracket is not the smartest

Im very behind on cp tho which is my main concern

[shell hazel]

cp > all

[gritty ridge]

I may be farther in campaign but they definitely have more pvp invests

Im only diamond 4 rn cuz I got knocked down from c10 to diamond 7 overnight

[placid bloom]

Nah some people just don’t mald campaign even if they have the CP

I doubt most of them have actual invested PvP units

[shell hazel]

being ahead on campaign will give you advantages over time

[gritty ridge]

That 730k is scary tho

[shell hazel]

guy who is 2nd in my SPA has mainly gotten there due to pushing campaign more than anyone else (except me atm)

[gritty ridge]

Im close to ch 30 atm

[placid bloom]

Even in my bracket there’s people with CP pad PvE units that haven’t full cleared NM

[shell hazel]

you don't need to invest all the pve units though, I invest main campaign team + pvp basically

[gritty ridge]

Im investing main team, cindy, and bready for pve

Problem is main team has 3 flex units

[shell hazel]

bready not really needed for campaign

I invest the top 10 for pve/campaign (liter lowest prio here)
rest I spam into the pvp units

[gritty ridge]

Shes my only distributed dmg

I need her for snake

[shell hazel]

I cleared all normal + 26 hard mode without bready

need some replacement for SBS for later but it's like chapter 33 +

and you could just get an SBS in the meantime

[gritty ridge]

I might, thats why bready is last

Finishing crown, then cindy, then mmast, then naga, and only then do i get to bready

[shell hazel]

chapter 33 is when you need some way to deal with the volleyballs etc, but before then just push main campaign units + whatever you run for pvp core units maybe

I don't use naga much anymore, helmT is is main team all the time now

actually naga/liter both low prio there in top bit

[gritty ridge]

Im only getting naga to 10 10 4 anyway

[shell hazel]

not really needed imo

[gritty ridge]

Mmast is expensive tho

[shell hazel]

she has low CP for me vs HelmT anyway

[gritty ridge]

Mmast gets 10 10 10 and she sees 0 use in pvp

[shell hazel]

you choose your priorities I suppose but as good as mast/anchor are they don't really serve much purpose for me outside towers/raids

I prefer to keep SPA teams good and main campaign teams good for primary reasons

[gritty ridge]

Mmast is on par with helmT for campaign malding tbh

At 40+ deficit healing doesn't really do anything for you

[shell hazel]

need HelmT for the farter stages

[gritty ridge]

Yeah, stages where you can avoid dmg tho mmast is better imo

[shell hazel]

I run Crown | Siren | Red Hood | Rapi | HelmT

most of the time

sometimes Cindy or SBS make an appearance

[gritty ridge]

Im applying for ma after I beat snake tho so I gotta git gud at pvp

[shell hazel]

and some hard mode stages I needed Liter (certain bosses for cover rep)

[gritty ridge]

Dragon and poison bug yayy

[shell hazel]

I think I should be able to smash the new stages when they come out (39 + 40)

I could only just make 37 + 38 before on release, but think I scaled ahead of the new ones cp wise now

[gritty ridge]

Normal mode yeah most likely

Id expect at most 100k past glut

[shell hazel]

the crew

they're in a good enough place that I can push resources to pvp units and have been doing so for a while

[gritty ridge]

C1 rapi, crown and siren is insane

[shell hazel]

I went for rapi and siren, mostly with mileage tbh

as my luck with actual pulls was bad

crown was just rng, as you can see from my lack of luck on rh lol

[gritty ridge]

Ive got mlb siren and lb1 rh lmao

[shell hazel]

did same with cindy (also c1) but I lacked resources for doing so on SBS so she's lame 0LB

my pilgrim/1% luck has been awful last few banners

[gritty ridge]

Must be nice having been here for all the good banners

[shell hazel]

I started with Cindy/Old Tales last nov

[gritty ridge]

I started on crust lol

Thats why I have mlb siren

I got mlb grave in 2 days out of nowhere tho

[shell hazel]

is worth, still you have rapi and crown etc so good enough I feel

not everyone will have and missing crown in particular is doom

[gritty ridge]

I mean, I had grave and maids before crown so Its definitely possible to mald without crown

[shell hazel]

yeah I didn't start with crown

[gritty ridge]

But crown is 100% the best b2

[shell hazel]

I got her around chapter 20-21 in a random 10 pull on ordinary lol, think it was before the wishlist update

[gritty ridge]

I got crown from a random discount pull after offering mooey money if I got crown

[shell hazel]

discount pulls do nothing for me tbh, in fact single pulls in this game in general I never win at

same for all the free ones we had on siren/midhara

so rather then giving up 150 gems for a single pull that fails I burn some gems on wipe outs

at least I get some resources/level materials

[gritty ridge]

I got both crown and cindy from discount pulls

[shell hazel]

I was doing free + 50 + 70 + 100 but I've stopped the 100 cost one for now as my gems are deadge

[gritty ridge]

I got nothing from the free pulls during 2.5 tho

I had to mileage mihara actually

[shell hazel]

me too lol, after not getting her in over 200 pulls

[gaunt viper]

sheesh, I just stop once I see 70. didn't think it was worth going beyond 50

[shell hazel]

I get the paid 100 gems per day thing it helps

[gaunt viper]

ahh that makes sense then

[gritty ridge]

The 2 daily things are one of the few things worth buying imo

[shell hazel]

basically they go into that resource, also 3000 gems / 2 weeks from SPA and that cost goes towards that kind of thing too

like staying in a good position on SPA with the gems I get and boosting my power a bit makes sense to me 🙂

[gritty ridge]

I might need to buy pulls to c7 miranda tho, I need 80 pulls before I lose her selector

[shell hazel]

you can wishlist and get a copy at any point tbh

if you're like c6 not like it won't happen

social pulls + molds + wishlist you'll def get a miranda

[gritty ridge]

I could, but also that means waiting possibly months to get my shiny miranda

[shell hazel]

I suppose lol

but yeah I wipe out a bit more than my opponents but I'm not directly buying levels/core dust, luckily my SPA doesn't seem full of people doing that

my top 6-7 is pretty close on sync/cp

[gritty ridge]

Ill buy pulls, I won't touch dust or raw gems cuz they're all terrible value

[shell hazel]

that is the same logic I have

I get the passes mostly

[gritty ridge]

Yeah the monthly passes are solid

[shell hazel]

I do use the daily resouce boxes for cd crates though

[gritty ridge]

25 or so pulls and a skin for 20 dollars in my country, ive heard they're more expensive in others

[shell hazel]

10 cd crates per day, it's not loads but it adds up over time

[gritty ridge]

Ive git like 20 of the selectors still sitting in my storage cuz idk what ill need to select

[shell hazel]

I used to use for skill books but they buffed the drops so I get cd crates instead

being honest though I don't want to simply win in my arena just because I bought levels to do so, I prefer to invest/mald campaign 😄

it's why I prefer the pulls/skins over the direct level up resources

I'd get pretty bored I think if I was simply sat + 100 levels above the rest of my bracket because I bought the levels

[gritty ridge]

Skins are limted, mats come with time

Id have to drop a few thousand if I wanted to jump to top of my sp, but then I couldnt compete with sopa in campaign anymore

[shell hazel]

right, I like to feel I can have competition

if people want to challenge my SPA rank they can - and if they can't then it's because I just invested better mostly, I'm not highest sync in mine

[gritty ridge]

You saw my cp compared to my bracket, im not even close to highest cp in mine lol

I take my 2k gems and im happy with it

[shell hazel]

I am in mine but it's just because I diverted stuff away

I'm like 1.5M others are 1.4/1.3/1.2 ish

but I got SR-15 Noise I doubt any of them have that kind of thing 😄

[gritty ridge]

Sr15 noise is crazy

[shell hazel]

girl needs a good doll

[gritty ridge]

Ive got dolls on most of my pvp units, but not purples

[shell hazel]

main campaign team all SR-15 so I put all my doll mats to pvp now

and whatever the next treasure may be

[gritty ridge]

Dolla

[shell hazel]

Marciana

https://tenor.com/view/marchiana-nikke-nikke-goddess-of-victory-gif-7937169068389115093

[gritty ridge]

Ive got sr15 on dolla from when I first started, I need su to bail me out

[shell hazel]

lol woops

most of my SR dolls are OK only really not using Doro/Grave who are SR-5 much

[gritty ridge]

Marciana would be chill, idk how they'd buff her tho

[shell hazel]

easy. numbers go up 😄

[gritty ridge]

Lmao

[shell hazel]

nah I kind of doubt she gets one here

some people wanting Centi - with the new skin not impossible

she's still very good in pvp though as a battery

I got 2 more centi dupes whilst I was going for Eve/Raven MLB so she's also MLB - not a bad win

[gritty ridge]

Oh btw, I dont think I got an answer earlier

Does my hp buff stack on my team 1?

[shell hazel]

from bay not sure I don't run her normally

[gritty ridge]

I was thinking bay and noise stack give cindy big numbers

That's why I tried quiry

[shell hazel]

think quiry is traditionally better with stall comp moran/nero

[gritty ridge]

I do have the units for it but definitely not the invests

[shell hazel]

that comp is high investment needed, you're better off investing in stuff that has a hybrid use

like helm / cindy etc, can work in both pvp / pve

[gritty ridge]

Yeah

[shell hazel]

pvp batteries like trina/centi/jackal aren't super high investment needed, 4/4/4 and basic OL with a rock added is a good start

[gritty ridge]

Im just glad my cook has 3rl

[shell hazel]

I'm working on nero/moran team atm but it's mainly for CA

[gritty ridge]

Its sad that my team absolutely needs helmT cuz I put siren in

She lowers my gen so much

[shell hazel]

siren is low gen

[gritty ridge]

I think it'll work pretty good for a while tho

Im not at the point where I need 2rl teams thankfully

[umbral belfry]

I was not awake no LMAO

[gritty ridge]

Hime I cooked!

[umbral belfry]

huge

[umbral belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/hey-thats-pretty-good-good-pretty-good-gif-5074749

[quartz rover]

So people use nero?

[gritty ridge]

On occasion, she has taunt

[umbral belfry]

mostly for CA and on occasion SP. but she needs high invest (SR15 10/10/7-10)

so unless she (and moran) is high invest she'd not recommended to use

[gritty ridge]

My main worry is that bay and noise might not stack buffs

[swift mango]

and have Rapu too.

[umbral belfry]

does rapu also need sr15

[swift mango]

The more the better. Actually Rapu need it more than Moran I wager.

[umbral belfry]

well bay just needs to have cover. bc she's in p4 she'll be fine. but if you fight a fast 2 rl scar team it's wraps

[swift mango]

I don't have rapu though.

[umbral belfry]

[gritty ridge]

Im using bay for the hp buff for cindy

[umbral belfry]

big oof

[umbral belfry]

I don't think bay does anything for cindy?

[gritty ridge]

She buffs teams max hp

[umbral belfry]

noise does

[umbral belfry]

that's noise

[gritty ridge]

So does bay

[umbral belfry]

bay is just anti nuke

I don't think bay does

[gritty ridge]

Nvrmind

I was thinking of quiry

[umbral belfry]

I mean bay is still good in the case of anti nuke. so until you get noah it's a good call

[gritty ridge]

I havve Noah, biscuit noah is one of my other teams

[umbral belfry]

hmm

[gritty ridge]

Don't look at team 2 too hard

[umbral belfry]

I guess you can keep it for now. if you had rumani I would've put her and noah there for 2 rl. but it's fine as it is

[umbral belfry]

you're still in fairly low levels so I will pretend I did not see it

[gritty ridge]

I have enough units for 3 solid teams, not enough invests tho

[swift mango]

is this a level bricked or big new whale account?

[gritty ridge]

?

I dont think im either?

[umbral belfry]

I think he's just a new player

[swift mango]

I see Grave MLB.

Core max Alice

[gritty ridge]

Oh yeah I just got lucky

[umbral belfry]

Miranda core 3

[gritty ridge]

She'll be c7 soon

Btw is miranda mihara viable in pvp

[swift mango]

which event did you start?

[gritty ridge]

Crust

[umbral belfry]

not sure, never bothered looking into either of them for pvp

[gritty ridge]

They both feed so would be bad for jackal team

But a million crit slaps from mihara chains might work

[umbral belfry]

iirc treasure Miranda has somewhat of a gimmick in emi teams. but we don't have emi so

[tropic summit]

you both are talking to the man who actually treasured her and ran her in CA

[gritty ridge]

Can you get enough gen in the last 3 slots to make them work is my main question

[tropic summit]

just ask him if it was worth it

[gritty ridge]

Who?

Blood?

[umbral belfry]

I know

[umbral belfry]

[tropic summit]

the one and only

[tropic summit]

[swift mango]

If you don't have Ein or Emi built then no.

[gritty ridge]

Idk most of the names in here tbf, im a team building dweller

[umbral belfry]

bugged ein

[tropic summit]

@gritty ridge there you go, you can safely ignore le miranda

[gritty ridge]

So no miranda mihara shenanigans in arena?

[swift mango]

no. Midhara can be used alone though

[umbral belfry]

how could you say that to her husband

[gritty ridge]

Im still building her cuz wife

[umbral belfry]

see

[oblique ridge]

What’s the yellow lightning bolt mean for Helm charge speed in Nikke Deck?

[tropic summit]

the husband was honest, I shall comply

[oblique ridge]

8% chspd?

[umbral belfry]

I assume the min (15)

unless they updated it again?

[oblique ridge]

How do we know. The info tip says starts at 8% chspd 15% chspd

[tropic summit]

you could ping the man himself

he does check the pings

[oblique ridge]

Nvm

[umbral belfry]

it says 15 for me no updates either

[tropic summit]

[umbral belfry]

you blind bat

[gritty ridge]

Ooh, whats mihara comp look like?

[tropic summit]

need some glasses

[oblique ridge]

I am not a bat. I’m a villain

[oblique ridge]

Sanya made this https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1297605479727628458/1388607375191183431/PENUP_20250525_180704.png?ex=6862ea65&is=686198e5&hm=48375c56d269bf4fc8167c2dcc5963d707ea9ef64d9c85e866b400517b7fb854&

[umbral belfry]

cute

[gritty ridge]

I think she's better without glasses

[tropic summit]

actually look good on her, almost make her not seem what she is

[oblique ridge]

15% on Helm then for the juicy chspd

[umbral belfry]

I gotta find 3 more cs, but that means locking my line 1 and 2

MY ROCKSSSSSSS!!!

[oblique ridge]

What are your other chspds?

You might be already at 15% if the rounding favors you

[swift mango]

Moran+Biscuit or 2.5rl Blanc+Biscuit or Blanc+Rossana.

the purpose is to let Mihara die and stall with Moran or Blanc while the other team, most noticeably 2rl scar+trina die.

[gritty ridge]

Ill be fishing for 4 cs lines and nothing else for helm

[shell hazel]

how about now!? grats on 25 Hime 🙂

[umbral belfry]

[umbral belfry]

i'm awake

[oblique ridge]

Oh. 12%

Stuck at 14% with adjutant

[umbral belfry]

time to go fishing for my last CS

[oblique ridge]

[gritty ridge]

So a stall team while she slaps defender with chains

[swift mango]

[lusty gull]

sr needs less cs than rl, i keep the same for both for simplicity
most of the time, ~10% should be enough

[umbral belfry]

these are my only options to reroll hell on earth

it's a lose lose either way

[wild hemlock]

That's how the rounding works for CS?

[swift mango]

Just reroll them with 1 rock for good line 3 if your luck it bad like me.

If you have good luck could try locking ATK and rock for line 3.

[unique mountain]

I love her

[swift mango]

That's only if you wanted 25% CS. Otherwise, 12% is fine as is.

for general use. Because it's about as good as 18% on RL already.

[umbral belfry]

but my ele atk

[umbral belfry]

i want at least 15 for the min for the eventual 2.5 stall

[oblique ridge]

Wait so @umbral belfry already got enough?

[swift mango]

12% should be enough in most case, unless your opponent had mad cs

[umbral belfry]

i don't think so? don't i need 15

huh? don't i need 15?

[oblique ridge]

confusing

[umbral belfry]

nani?

so i run a 2.5 stall comp?

[swift mango]

you need it on RL, not SR or LapT

SR and LapT need less

[lusty gull]

hmm, because sr has no traveling time, they need less cs

[umbral belfry]

yeah i would likely run nero moran helmt rapu lapt/xmaid

but my stall team isn't ready yet so i can't test in rookie

[lusty gull]

i still keep 15% as minimum for sr because it's complicated to explain all things but yes sr need less cs but if you have more cs it should be better anyway

[umbral belfry]

so my 12 cs on helm may or may not be enough is what you're saying

[swift mango]

According to CN pro, yeah. Seem consistent for me thus far.

[shell hazel]

mine isn't miles off being ready just not quite there 🙂

[swift mango]

it enough

[umbral belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/evil-smile-jujutsu-kaisen-ryomen-sukuna-yuji-itadori-evil-smirk-gif-15348548535729757050

i mean i still gotta build nero/moran/rapu but

[umbral belfry]

huge

[swift mango]

But you are so close to 25% already.

Just need a 4.51+ line and a 5.51+ line for 25% HelmT.

[umbral belfry]

do you think i have infinite rocks blood

[shell hazel]

I have 3 rocks and want a 3rd CS roll on HelmT

[umbral belfry]

today is the day

[shell hazel]

it's not lol already lost 20 rocks to the attempt :p

[umbral belfry]

ok today is the day for sure trust

[shell hazel]

I'm waiting until last day I can now and will try again before CA lock in

[quartz rover]

no matter how many times I refresh I see the same people

[shell hazel]

you can only attack +3 from there

if you beat 8 you'll see 5-6-7

[swift mango]

I'm just trying for 11% on Bay without even using her.

Because I want every of my RL above 11%

Everyone got for 15%-18%. While I can't even scratch 11%.

[umbral belfry]

[lusty gull]

yes @swift mango already tells it, but it's enough comparing with rl
you can record a match and see it yourself if you still hesitate

[umbral belfry]

my stall team isn't ready 😭 no OLs on nero

[umbral belfry]

maybe i can fight someone low cp enough in rookie to test

[shell hazel]

not quite but almost I guess 🙂

[swift mango]

you could.

[shell hazel]

I don't think they'll beat my nemesis team

but maybe?

siren would stun nero

probably before I can b2

[wild hemlock]

So I've been calculating my CS wrong this entire time

[umbral belfry]

no OL on nero and rapu hurts. but this may be enough

[swift mango]

yes. If you had 25% CS on LapT and HelmT then you could put Moran p1.

[shell hazel]

HelmT is 9% CS (without adjutant)

LapT is 15% CS

[atomic wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/deltarune-delta-rune-asgore-asgore-dreemurr-dreemurr-gif-17766656471227883960

[umbral belfry]

hes still at it? 😭

[atomic wolf]

yes

[swift mango]

Then it could be enough, unless you fight 2rl Jackal with HelmT/Emi with high CS and feed them to 1.5rl

[shell hazel]

I can send it against that team which is my nemesis and try it

the other teams in my rookie are garbage, I can beat it with a diff comp but it seems to defeat most stuff

[umbral belfry]

time to go record

[swift mango]

I mean, enough to Morna burst before Scarlet wipe.... not Moran burst before Siren stun...

[shell hazel]

ayy lol, yeah I think siren stun will land first

I'd have to throw someone else at b1 to catch the stun

[atomic wolf]

now noah has 17%

[swift mango]

it's fine if Nero is stun, it's important for Moran to burst and make nero 100% dr to survive the wipe. Rapu survive is enough to win against scar. HelmT could die.

[shell hazel]

i'll try the nero p1 version then

[swift mango]

it's better if LapT/xmaid survive but they could die too

[umbral belfry]

@swift mango @lusty gull I can't tell actually

[shell hazel]

yeah their cindy seems strong but I'll send it and record, what rookie is for anyway

[gritty ridge]

Does this feed jackal?

[umbral belfry]

it seems near lap's 3rd shot but i'm not 100% sure

[umbral belfry]

yes bc siren

[swift mango]

hit a scar+jackal team..

[umbral belfry]

sir i will die also no one runs both scar + jack. just jack

for some reason

[swift mango]

just jack is fine too...

[gritty ridge]

Would there be a more ideal rookie team? I have no scar or rumani

[swift mango]

so long as they are close to or 2rl

[thin perch]

Bro how did this person just jump 20 synchro levels from 481 to 501?!

[umbral belfry]

fine

[thin perch]

Is he buying the entire damn cash shop?!

[shell hazel]

deadge

[thin perch]

Great I’m now 36 levels under him

[shell hazel]

kind of expected it, my moran and nero both need more work still but even so, no dice here yet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DdA2g5wJGg

[atomic wolf]

@umbral belfry

watch this i'm gonna put down 1k and trade with him

#sigmagrindset

[tropic summit]

you're not going to use boxes straight away once you hit a certain synchro, as it's easier to min/max to open them after new chapters release, maximizing them a bit

[tropic summit]

do not bother competiting with whales/leviathans, it's pointless unless you're also planning to spend

[umbral belfry]

@swift mango

it's either this or a 2 rl jack but has siren so

[lusty gull]

enough cs to be considered as 2.5 rl

[thin perch]

How do I even beat this now?

[umbral belfry]

i coulda swore it was 3 rl in the video but poggies

[tropic summit]

17% deficit indom scarlet is actually still doable, but not by feeding scarlet with your SG there

[swift mango]

In this video. Moran burst at 35th bullet (101-66). 2rl Scar (no cs) burst at 37th bullet. So you have barely enough to burst before 2rl burst 3. If they don't have or barely have CS... probably less than 11% on the one that make the team burst.

[thin perch]

Like a blanc team?

[tropic summit]

run this team, quantum 7 is needed

helm treasure phase 3, burst lvl 7 at least

[atomic wolf]

@umbral belfry need some ideas on moran team

what should i do

[umbral belfry]

believe in moran bay helm

[atomic wolf]

since he's running moran/grave/privaty/helm/biscuit

[umbral belfry]

moran rumani helmt bay lap+/rumani

[atomic wolf]

rumani is on cindy team unfortunately

[umbral belfry]

hmmmmm. maybe i should get more cs on helm (eventually). or rapu

[atomic wolf]

still waiting for noise

i'd like to get 17% on helm but this means deleting the lines that are specifically for pve

so i'll do others instead

[swift mango]

You burst when HelmT hit her 3rd shot, she somehow hit faster than LapT 3rd shot even... I guess LapT isn't as fast as SR after all.

[thin perch]

Jumping 20 synchro is still insane. His level not didn’t move for like 5 days now he just jumps that high

[umbral belfry]

[atomic wolf]

@umbral belfry

[tropic summit]

as i said earlier, he just had boxes saved up

he probably wanted to prevent you from attacking by gating you

[umbral belfry]

something tells me this is a bad idea

[tropic summit]

it's a common strategy in pvp

[atomic wolf]

well that's why i'm asking lulul

[tropic summit]

in fact you should be happy you forced him to open boxes even 1 month earlier than new chapters are released

[thin perch]

His account is younger than mine too and he’s just flying

[umbral belfry]

2 rl scar that man

[swift mango]

so how much CS do you have on LapT?

[atomic wolf]

then again if you look at his team, it's 3rl

[tropic summit]

i repeat, do not compete with whales, it's pointless, although feel free to bully them as long as you can

17-24% deficit is generally doable

[umbral belfry]

only 5%. Getting more CS on her is lower prio for me rn

[placid bloom]

Running Priv stun in SPA

[umbral belfry]

i mean you are faster. 2 rl? your helm would either snipe priv or helm i think

[swift mango]

okay, NVM that's why, I mistook your LapT to Hippo lapT with 15%.... she is slower than HelmT ofc...

[atomic wolf]

for some reason it snipes... moran

[placid bloom]

If no cs Moran will taunt Helm before burst lands

[umbral belfry]

taunted

you have a scar no?

[atomic wolf]

yeah

[umbral belfry]

Just 2 rl scar it

[atomic wolf]

also, having 2.5rl makes cindy team loses for some reason so, that's a problem

amazing

[umbral belfry]

he's on your ass 😭

[shell hazel]

bit quicker than mine then I think, mine is 37th bullet it looks like

[atomic wolf]

told you, i'm putting 1k to see how far he wants to go

[umbral belfry]

gotta be quicker than that hippo

[thin perch]

Also how did his tetra and missiles Nikke growth just fly ahead of mine?

[shell hazel]

never 🙂

[atomic wolf]

see, he already secured top 3, but i know he's egoraging

[umbral belfry]

whats your helm + lap cs speeds?

[tropic summit]

he probably had rocks saved up, those give a good chunk of CP

[torn garnet]

Anyone got teams I can make for SP Arena

[shell hazel]

HelmT 9% CS LapT 15% not running adjutant here

[placid bloom]

He either opened a ton of molds or he bought sync slots

[shell hazel]

Rapu 5% CS lol

[umbral belfry]

well, as long as you can maintain top 3 it's fine. but yeah for that specific comp i would just 2 rl scar it

[atomic wolf]

nah, i'm top 4

i'm just ragebaiting him

since i have a lots of cash and i am bored xddd

[swift mango]

add adjutant to helm.... and you would the same...

[umbral belfry]

so you have:

• helmt 9 cs
• lapt 15 cs
• rapu 5

and i have:

• helmt 12 cs
• lapt 5 cs

[thin perch]

How much should I be saving cause I’ve been using core dust boxes whenever I can get another levels worth

[atomic wolf]

i know he will eat the ragebait

[umbral belfry]

shouldn't hippo be faster than me then?

[atomic wolf]

also, for shotgun team

[umbral belfry]

i don't have ol on rapu yet

[shell hazel]

yeah I'll add Adjutant to HelmT tomorrow

[atomic wolf]

who should i build so i can start building one

[swift mango]

he still burst at HelmT 3rd shot but his helmT only 9%

[umbral belfry]

this is too much numbers for someone who hates numbers

all i need to know is that i'm 2.5 rl now to build my stall

[shell hazel]

will go to 11% with adjutant

[tropic summit]

naga centi cind helmt liter
s.anis blanc rh xmaiden jackal
noah biscuit sbs siren noir

quantum on xmaiden, jackal, noir
vigor on biscuit, blanc
temperance on noah
resil on s.anis, s.anis burst lvl 9 minimun
anyone else run highest lvl cube

wishlist/build trina, rumani, scarlet

raise CP on biscuit, noise, centi, noah, xmaiden, blanc

[lusty gull]

you should try to improve cs, you want to be faster, especially with this kind of team

keep in mind some rl projectiles are faster than others like laplace

but i think they are ready as minimum

[atomic wolf]

.

[umbral belfry]

start building what star?

[torn garnet]

I mean thanks but I don't have jackal or red hood so....

[atomic wolf]

shotgun team

i want to know which one should i start building

drake being obvious but what about the other four

[umbral belfry]

usual SG team is BSoda DrakeT Viper/Naga Rosa Noir

[atomic wolf]

i can do that, no noir though

[shell hazel]

I'll adjutant and check if I get b1 in less bullets tomorrow 🙂

[umbral belfry]

If your rosa isn't invested don't bother with it she's high investment (SR5 7/10/10 with atk OLs)

I don't have the best atk OLs, but mine is sr5 7/10/10 and usually gets the job done

[tropic summit]

you can build T1 and T3, T2 run CP pad and aim to get the nikke provided

[umbral belfry]

then i would not do sg comp you need noir due to atk buff

[atomic wolf]

ah

[umbral belfry]

would you say work on getting another line of cs for helm first? or start OLing rapu and fish for OLs?

i guess i could get more OLs on lap, but rn i'm trying for more OLs on noah

[lusty gull]

you have enough cs on helm

[umbral belfry]

sooo then prolly rapu?

i need OLs on her anyway

[lusty gull]

try to reach 18% on rapunzel or 15% on laplace
try on nikke deck to on/off speed icon on them, you will understand

[umbral belfry]

noted noted. ty

[tropic summit]

hime about to spread nero moran to her entire CA bracket

[umbral belfry]

mine won't be ready for some time

[tropic summit]

you're getting there

[swift mango]

But my bracket full of them already and I still champ.

[umbral belfry]

soon

[tropic summit]

she has a very young account unlike you silly

[umbral belfry]

🐣

[atomic wolf]

my bracket still hasn't reset back to where it was yet

[tropic summit]

ppl in her bracket are probably still realizing that running SGs against scarlet is a bad idea

[atomic wolf]

so no champion arena for another season

[shell hazel]

woops I ran my moran nero team without cubes on 3 of the units 😄

[umbral belfry]

free star

[atomic wolf]

it is what it is

[swift mango]

But even Keripo Scarlet lost against SG.

[atomic wolf]

the super saiyan scarlet about to "scarleting" her burst directly into one of their most powerful team:

[placid bloom]

I thought you got kidnapped to SAnis bracket

[tropic summit]

[umbral belfry]

snatched his ass up 😭

[tropic summit]

did you watch the vid? it was hilarious

[sinful copper]

Which team beats this?

[atomic wolf]

actually tempted to build soda

[umbral belfry]

rosa that man

[swift mango]

He lose because his Scar too stronk.

[shell hazel]

siren stun noah gg

[tropic summit]

3RL noah

to mock them you can run almost near mirror team

[umbral belfry]

suffering from success

[atomic wolf]

oh my god hw

he's egoing it so hard XDDDDD i told you

[tropic summit]

alternatively the usual 3RL s.anis

[umbral belfry]

get him

[atomic wolf]

on it

[upper grove]

if I want to use raven in CA, does she need 2 buffers for her burst?

[thin perch]

How do yall save core dust? Do you wait until immediately after a new story chapter? I use them when I have enough to level the synchro so I can compete with this Mf in PvP

[swift mango]

maybe 3

[atomic wolf]

i'm blooning it

[umbral belfry]

I'm intentionally waiting bc next chapter is next month. which means more CDs from clearing

[upper grove]

I should check how many buffers the guy with raven in his winning CA team had

[swift mango]

You could check if his raven even wipe anything

[shell hazel]

If you've cleared normal mode then opening crates is less valuable

[upper grove]

true

[shell hazel]

I'm saving mine for next chapters because I'll get +2 or +3 cd/hour from all my existing crates

[upper grove]

ideally you'd want to hit the 102 cd/h benchmark until you open

but that's a while

[umbral belfry]

i won't be at 102 for a while i fear

[shell hazel]

yeah I'm at 82 atm lol

[atomic wolf]

if his raven is doing something it means this is your problem

[umbral belfry]

wait for me i'm at 81

[swift mango]

core +7 and 100% ele raven maybe only need 1 buff to wipe a scar team.

But do you have that?

[sinful copper]

So the one on the left right? Will try this

[shell hazel]

chapter 26 has some annoying af stages though

[umbral belfry]

that's where i'm stuck

[shell hazel]

which one are you at?

[umbral belfry]

at high deficit god take the wheel

[upper grove]

with July update the hard mode ch 38 requirement would go down to ch 36 or 34

then October for next chapters

[umbral belfry]

def winnable, but i lack the dmg to take out the big silencer at the end

my core dust stash to hit 341 sure does look nice rn 👀

[shell hazel]

yeah that's not even the most annoying one lol

[upper grove]

MLB 56% ele 26% atk

[tropic summit]

if you pick that version, ensure emi runs temperance before she dies to splash or run noah biscuit emi rh crown

[shell hazel]

26-17 is hell

[upper grove]

26-25

[umbral belfry]

fun

[shell hazel]

26-25 also sucks

[upper grove]

and it's the core dust bench mark stage as well

[umbral belfry]

oh boy i cant wait yipppieeeee

[umbral belfry]

YIPPPIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[upper grove]

ch 27 is even worse

because ch 26 you can cheese with rapi and rh

[atomic wolf]

wtf is

[umbral belfry]

it's hell, star

[shell hazel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igqN652SedM

[atomic wolf]

I AM 317 SYNC ANS STILL AT WHAEL????

[swift mango]

38% deficit.

[atomic wolf]

TF

[pale knoll]

I do, where's the team

[umbral belfry]

to be fair whale sucks

[upper grove]

skill issue

[umbral belfry]

i'm hitting my limit, blood

[atomic wolf]

actually i've retired tryharding so eh fair enough i guess

[shell hazel]

watch how chanhyuk does it, because I used their method and it worked eventually lol

[swift mango]

Just look at the winner guy. @upper grove

[sinful copper]

Gotcha! My temperance is weak gonna try the other one

[atomic wolf]

ever since i finsihed campaign i have nothign else to do bro

[swift mango]

playing on phone 33% is already my limit.

[umbral belfry]

silencers, explodies, and ?

[shell hazel]

yes it's a nightmare stage much worse than the one you're on 😛

[solid gorge]

I JUST decided to touch hard.... (250+ synch)

[swift mango]

well, my nikke only have 2 lines Ele though...

[shell hazel]

you should always push hard as far as you can reasonably do because of the passive core dust income

[thin perch]

Blooning?

[solid gorge]

I do it not for the Core dust. I am just sending the message to the guy on the leaderboard

[umbral belfry]

you should def do it for the cd 😭

[atomic wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/bloons-bloonstd6-pat-fusty-pat-fusty-gif-1502076470702519965

[swift mango]

🧱

[umbral belfry]

do both

[shell hazel]

yes for the better passive outpost income

[solid gorge]

[atomic wolf]

2.5 > 2

[upper grove]

interesting, another strat than I did

[solid gorge]

Also the perma scarle vs scarle pvp guy wins me this time 😭

[swift mango]

both team 2.5 rl though, unless noah linked

[solid gorge]

Is it worth to put RH into trinsaclarlet comp to pop 1 instead jackal?

[atomic wolf]

@umbral belfry ok here is the problem

[solid gorge]

Into mirror match

[atomic wolf]

give me your solution

he cannot win in any other way but mirror match

[shell hazel]

I mean why go into mirror match to begin with

[atomic wolf]

if i force him to lose this as well he will ultimately lose on everything

ignore the team, just give me a solution to this

[solid gorge]

Its about sending the message

[atomic wolf]

theirs are 2 noah is linked

[shell hazel]

but they can't see your teams lol

you just flip a coin on the result

[solid gorge]

The diff he had RH and I had THelm (scarlet trina centi jackal are the same)

I used to win him

[upper grove]

time to mald vs whale then

[umbral belfry]

i said 2 rl scar

pref linked p1 siren scar trina centi jack

[atomic wolf]

he's trading with me

that's the problem

[umbral belfry]

if he's trading that would involve changing your def team then

[atomic wolf]

let me send you my def team then

[umbral belfry]

so either one of you gives up or def changes are to be had

[atomic wolf]

*team 3 is the main problem, the team is an experiment

also no i'm bored, i can trade 20k if i want to

[umbral belfry]

can't go wrong with 2 rl noah cindy, 2 rl scar comp

[tropic summit]

you wanna mess with him? get a soda team and a siren team, either of the two can be run linked or not linked, but preferable siren is linked and in p1 or p2

[umbral belfry]

the 3rd? i guess could sbs but she's likely to be countered

[atomic wolf]

ooh, lmao

[umbral belfry]

that's what i've been saying

[atomic wolf]

ok now that's REALLY funny

[umbral belfry]

soda would be funnier

random rng

[atomic wolf]

soda is infinitely funnier yeah

[tropic summit]

soda statistically will make him lose a few matches out of simple RNG

[atomic wolf]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1124006857506295939.webp?size=48&name=monakalmfao

do i keep soda at 4

[umbral belfry]

[sinful copper]

You sir are a gentleman and a scholar! Absolute legend

[tropic summit]

eh nice job, the problem of running emi on defense is that you can just time noah to effectively catch her nuke

just like you did there

[atomic wolf]

oh wait my soda is not fully upgraded

zamn, time to start building her iguess

gonna worth if this can be used in champion arena anyways

[tropic summit]

if soda p3 or p4 she can run with bare minimun, OL chest and head + temperance cube, should be enough to survive scarlet s2 on 2RL

[atomic wolf]

nah it's the deficit

[tropic summit]

oh ye then you better upgrade her

[sinful copper]

Yeah I was getting clapped! But not anymore

[sinful copper]

Which cubes should I run on crown and emi?

[tropic summit]

depends if used on attack or on defense

[sinful copper]

Attack

[rich fiber]

I had to upgrade my Soda to SR15 to deal with Scarlet comps that use Emilia splash for burst gen.

[tropic summit]

emi as a battery: quantum
emi as a B3 in p2: temperance
emi as a B3 in p3 : quantum or adjutant

i guess you can also run emi as an off-burst with B1 and B2 buffers, then adjutant/resil

[sinful copper]

What about crown?

[tropic summit]

you generally don't run crown

this was a very specific instance where we wanted to slow your team down

worked well because with biscuit we can also proc crown's atk buff passive

[sinful copper]

Gotcha just need to beat team since he is my rival

[atomic wolf]

remember when i say i'll maek moran sr15 @umbral belfry

the solo raid screwed that up so she's still at r15

[umbral belfry]

i wonder if sb sr will ever come back 😭

it's prolly too late now, with nier collab coming

[shell hazel]

they have to run it again right?

they made the boss and everything lol, I doubt they'll skip it

[atomic wolf]

yeah, they might as well make two solo raid in one month

insane how two horse shit collab units broke the entire raid for no reason

[umbral belfry]

more rewards

[tropic summit]

god knows how bad the underlying code looks like

considering how they also broke FPS not too long ago

if anything if it keeps breaking the chances they'll need a new engine and possibly make nikke 2 gets more realistic

[atomic wolf]

hit that L sir

[swift mango]

where is that ch,amp team with raven ?

[atomic wolf]

he is losing double of the gems i spent as of now

against, a f2p

pathetic

[tropic summit]

he doesn't look like the smart type that actually cares about wasting money

[atomic wolf]

you could say the same about most NA players

[upper grove]

haven't looked it up yet, Rin should know it

[tropic summit]