pvp-arena

[umbral crown]

always been

[tropic summit]

you don't need that, you're fine as is

[strong hull]

[tropic summit]

mother of god

[umbral crown]

[strong hull]

Need 2 ammo asap

[tropic summit]

to get even stronger? what's next you gonna kill sephiroth 1v1?

that cindy is on elden ring raid boss tier

[strong hull]

She ate

[tropic summit]

a lot of rocks

[strong hull]

At sync 371 and she already did a 5b run on MC AI already

381 will def a clear

[tropic summit]

[strong hull]

[umbral crown]

[tropic summit]

[spare nimbus]

does this win?

[tropic summit]

very weird approach you taking with that team

helmT and emilia are both weak to rosanna

[spare nimbus]

hoping to stun him before he can burst

[tropic summit]

although you will revive the one with highest atk going into noah under biscuit s2

[keen vapor]

Copium

[spare nimbus]

what should i use then

[tropic summit]

unbuffed emi may not be lethal

[spare nimbus]

not sure if i should use noah since it will just taunt rosanna

[tropic summit]

unbuffed helmt will still nuke link good enough if invested

[spare nimbus]

since splash will hit her

[tropic summit]

so it depends on who's highest atk in that team to be revived

there's no reason to bother with that approach you can use standard 2RL noah + biscuit with any nuke, they've no indom

just run 0 attackers to counter rosanna

another option is the usual 2RL cindy noah, helmT will die but that's no problem

[spare nimbus]

something like this then?

[tropic summit]

no cindy i take it?

[spare nimbus]

i do

[tropic summit]

then why xmaiden, you using cindy elsewhere?

[spare nimbus]

but that lost to this team i think lemme look for message

[tropic summit]

how the f did you lose with full defender team against scarlet + rosanna

[spare nimbus]

oh those didnt have biscuit thats why nvm

[tropic summit]

also don't use jackal against rosanna, she'll remove link

[spare nimbus]

this

[unkempt monolith]

Round 2, who would win? me or them

[tropic summit]

you can use rumani and use jackal elsewhere

[spare nimbus]

this is rookie

[tropic summit]

depends, is that moran jackal linked?

[spare nimbus]

wait no it was this

[tropic summit]

ye that's biscuitless

noah generally won't survive 2RL if targeted by early pressure

you need biscuit to prevent that

[spare nimbus]

so who do i put instead of jackal

rumani?

[unkempt monolith]

idk actually but I have the result

[spare nimbus]

ok that won thanks

[unkempt monolith]

naisu

this trick actually work

[fast jetty]

How did i lost? I guess scarlet stun and nuked by helm

And scarlet burst blocked by noah

[umbral belfry]

You solved it lol

don't run 2 rl scar into 2 rl

[daring saffron]

does t.helm use quantum in pvp?

[signal hull]

So could anyone explain the shotgun team to me quickly before I invest too much into bunny Soda.
What's the exact setup? I often see bunny Soda as main B3.
b.Soda/DrakeT/Viper/Rosanna/Noir/?
SHOULD I invest heavily into Soda (meaning try to get all elemental damage and atk lines) or just any OL will do?

[tropic summit]

that's a free stunnable noah for siren

jackal scarlet helm trina siren (jackal p1 if your scarlet doesn't have less than 32 ammo)

you're hitting electric weak link aswell, that's probably 1hitko

[tropic summit]

SG invest is strictly for CA and CA is strictly flex, as long as you can afford wasting stuff on it

bsoda drakeT viperT phase2 (phase 3 bricks her) rosanna noir

p1 should be your squishiest to get the sacc going a tad faster

although you want to B3 with bsoda if you want AoE pressure, drakeT for single target pressure

[signal hull]

Is ViperT necessary?

I just OL'd her so far

[tropic summit]

you can run naga instead for less burst gen potential

or xanne or bay

some mad lads were running blanc instead too

getting bsoda/drakeT indommed

[signal hull]

Seems like I wasted OL on Viper then, cuz I ain't gonna giver her treasure 😒

[tropic summit]

phase 2, you don't need phase 3

[restive willow]

Throwing in an interesting data point. It looks like all burst activate only on even-numbered frames. So if you fill burst gauge at an odd number frame, B1 will activate after 13 frames, not 12.
If you do 21% helm to fill burst gen at 87 frames, then your B1 gets queued up for frame 100 (instead of 87+12=99), and if your B1 is targeted by siren, you can't outpace siren. This means that 5SG timing (86 frames) is the slowest burst gen you can use to avoid B1 siren stun

[umbral belfry]

[fast jetty]

So if my scarlet had 32%+ ammo i put scarlet p1?

[tropic summit]

nono 32 ammo as in bullets, 32%+ ammo is already within stun range

[umbral belfry]

If your scar has more than 32 ammo, in p1 she's gonna catch a nice and tasty stun

[signal hull]

Viper seems to be giving a lot of ATK tho, even without treasure, shouldn't she be still pretty damn good? :/ Especially with Rosanna?

[restive willow]

Some people use viper with level 2 treasure

[tropic summit]

ye you can use her even without treasure

[umbral belfry]

I use naga personally, but that's bc my viper isn't treasured yet nor is she more geared than my

I hit 2 rl pretty easily with naga anyway ~~unless i meet a def + bisc comp then ~~

[restive willow]

Level 3 makes viper into b2 reentry and that screws with comps

[tropic summit]

did you get her a nice skin tho?

[umbral belfry]

that was my first costume gacha

[tropic summit]

a wise decision

chocolate is good for the blood flow

[umbral belfry]

[unique mountain]

What's below

[tropic summit]

i shall give le sauce in DM

[sleek imp]

Railtracer my King

[umbral belfry]

[tropic summit]

🍫

[keen vapor]

you'll be perfect for misinfo academy

[tropic summit]

oh it was that low?

dunno i'm running scarlet with well above 150% ammo

[keen vapor]

[unique mountain]

Her's aren't that big

[umbral belfry]

the right way

[tropic summit]

spoken like a true connoisseur, but ye the artist might've exaggarated a tad

you could say he wanted to show her large assets

[tropic summit]

he also seems to have a thing for this pose

since it's upsetting, i've to look for more of them

to check for consistency

and research

[keen vapor]

[tropic summit]

it's saturday you're not sleeping so early @keen vapor

[crystal flicker]

It's sunday

[tropic summit]

in 20 minutes for me

[keen vapor]

No

[crystal flicker]

I'm sittin' here in the boring room
It's just another rainy Sunday afternoon

[tropic summit]

[tropic summit]

you could bet on some horse races

[crystal flicker]

It's a song, and I don't have money

[tropic summit]

oof

[crystal flicker]

https://youtu.be/wCQfkEkePx8

[glass silo]

Guys what's the most efficient team to run nowadays on rookie arena? I'm still running the oldge most efficient one not sure if there's better options nowadays

[tropic summit]

there's no failsafe rookie as they're all counterable, although these seem to give ppl an harder time:

-siren scarlet trina flex jacka (siren needs to be jackal linked)
-noise noah scarlet flex jackal (noise taunt priority, noise jackal linked)
-any 2RL with or without indom
-any 2RL anti nuke
-any 2RL sustain/stall

[crystal flicker]

Stall

Max invest stall can counter most of the comp

[tropic summit]

expensive af tho

[glass silo]

i dont usually try to counter anything or worry about it, i just run 1 team and unga bunga xd

[sleek imp]

Where are you FINDING these???

[tropic summit]

le world wide web, in particular le pixiv

[crystal flicker]

It's the price I'm willing to pay

[sleek imp]

My good sir, please, lets have a proper talk in DMS

||send links||

[crystal flicker]

Go pixiv, turn off AI, and 18+ tags

[umbral belfry]

[sleek imp]

This is what Bing gives me

[umbral belfry]

wrong pirate

[crystal flicker]

Senchou

[tropic summit]

one of them is indeed unlike the other

[sleek imp]

[sleek imp]

Thought they were the same when I started nikke

[crystal flicker]

They are

[glass silo]

oh the second team is what im running, ig it would be better to switch up rapunzel for centi for quicker burst then

[crystal flicker]

Shift up don't want to pay for Hololive Collab, so they make their copy

[tropic summit]

yeah sort of an upgrade

[glass silo]

yea also my centi has tons of power max investment compared to rapunzel ... its a big upgrade

[tropic summit]

siren being p1 forces enemy team to run noise taunt priority with noah, or they'll get their own noah stunned regardless of position

essentially just an annoying rookie alternative

that or getting a very specific team with 11%CS... but ye annoying

[glass silo]

11%cs?

[tropic summit]

charge speed, it's a threshold

enough to hit B2 before siren lands stun

[crystal flicker]

21% gang

[glass silo]

oh lmao i see, i build mostly my units for pve so i wouldnt do that

[keen vapor]

Don't use that

Count individually to see if it rounds up

[crystal flicker]

iirc it's 6+4+4+5

[tropic summit]

you almost speak like that screwed you over once before

[keen vapor]

[tropic summit]

[crystal flicker]

MA speaking from experience

[tropic summit]

a sacrifice was made for the greater good

[crystal flicker]

The only thing matter this CS enough to counter 2RL comp

[tropic summit]

2.5RL nero moran can survive 2RL scarlet on single buff, may still die to double buff although

[crystal flicker]

This also survives Noise Cindy

[tropic summit]

test it against scarlet blanc RH or scarlet trina RH, i think the latter is probably still lethal

[crystal flicker]

The thing is my bracket kinda ass

[tropic summit]

although i seem to remember seeing b4stial surviving double buff

[crystal flicker]

Maths wise, Stall should survive Trina RH

[tropic summit]

wew, that'd be scary

[crystal flicker]

I'm too lazy to open my calc

#pvp-arena message

Unless they Crit ofc

[tropic summit]

dayum

[quartz rover]

Can someone cook up a new team for me with what I've got? (If the new nikke even change anything)

Is my sp bracket if it matters

[tropic summit]

wow that T1 CP must be pretty darn low

[quartz rover]

Thought they would be 1 tbh

[tropic summit]

either way you can fit a 3RL and 4RL + auto or a 4RL + 4RL + auto, the latter easier on your CP

i'd say go with this for now

you need several core pvp units

centi, rumani, noah, jackal being the most vital asap

helm treasured, noise, rapunzel can also help

[quartz rover]

Yeah I've got them in my wishlist, went 40 standard nikke without a single ssr

[tropic summit]

oh that's normal

[crystal flicker]

Do your DrakeT pass

Buy Helm with mileages

[swift mango]

Keripo Cindy survive RH+Trina buffed Scarlet with Noise+Trina. His Noise even survived too in P1. Nothing impossible with enough investment and Core.

[swift mango]

It's 50-60% for 30-32 ammo... Idk what is wrong with you guys math.

[eager mountain]

depends if you count the initial 100%

[swift mango]

@keen vapor My reiT has 4 ATK line now, my first nikke with 4 AtK lines... 43% ATK.

[shell hazel]

I burnt like 20 rocks on HelmT hoping for a good line 3 to use as a base, nope 😛

[swift mango]

My ReiT had to make do with 2 lines.

[shell hazel]

I want to start with atk/ele %/cs % on line 3 and work backwards

I'm OK with just having 2 good lines but one needs to be CS % for now

[swift mango]

That's heavy investment. I don't have that luck for now.

[shell hazel]

well neither do i atm it seems lol

but I think it's worth having HelmT with 15% CS or more

I'll keep working on it for now

she has about 9% atm

[swift mango]

My Helm is 4 CS and 12 line but 0% ATK. I would need ATK on her to use Miranda and Mana in same team but too bad.

[shell hazel]

mixed bag

I don't think I'll touch the gloves, 2 good lines

chest I can lock line 3 and hunt for CS and atk on later

I was trying to roll a good line 3 on the boots to cascade the rest

[tropic summit]

hp stacking the cindy out i see

@shell hazel how are the persona dailies so far, fast or grindy?

[shell hazel]

to be honest I only unlocked the stamina today lol

it looks like you can do one of the various farming things and then spend points x times on it, so if the cost is 30, then you can complete it and spend points for 1-5 X of it, so 150 stamina if you wanted in one run

I suspect you can auto battle these with reasonable buillds, I'm not 100% on how thes dailies will be long term but I can keep my eye on it and report back, I've been busy most of today on other things

[spiral onyx]

I'll be changing up my teams next CA though

Was kind of impressed this CA on how well Nero Moran Helm teams performed and I figured out a way to drop Helm from my Cindy team (e.g. with the power of charge speed and Quantum)

Won't be running the common version though, will run a Keripo tweaked variant

[shell hazel]

I was kind of surprised you didn't run a nero/moran/helm team

mine needs more work but materials required

[tropic summit]

real life sucks

[crystal flicker]

Fellow CS gang

[spiral onyx]

I wasn't convinced it had enough damage to kill anything apart from the Helm nuke. But at lvl 400 synchro, it seems like the lower base stats allows full burst bonus to carry. That and an attack Nero can deal pretty decent damage

The other thing I noticed is in CA, because of how spread resources are, most teams will only run one DPS and it will have attack lines that push it to highest ATK even if it's not an attacker

In SP Arena you usually run 2 DPS so Helm isn't guaranteed to nuke the right target. But in CA with the current meta teams there's a high chance it will

Nero DPS

[drowsy apex]

can rosanna work in a nero/moran stall comp in place of mana?

dispelling attackers seems way more useful than mana revive

[oblique ridge]

The loading time dps’d me first

Crazy Nero dmg though

[tropic summit]

there's 2 issues with what you suggesting

1. you're no longer bursting with moran, that defeats the purpose of stacking DR to run stall comp
2. you're no longer able to hit 3RL (downgrade to 4RL), far weaker

you'd then need to either reposition moran to still B1 with her, but then rosanna doesn't really serve well her role as you've wasted her for a potential other team with snowball

my opinion is: don't

[drowsy apex]

lol didn't consider the rl speed...yeah 4rl is...nope...

[crystal flicker]

No, the point of stall is Moran burst and tank everything

[fast jetty]

this looks good? i am at bottom attacking the top. they have 3RL and stuff

[crystal flicker]

Move Jackal to T3

[fast jetty]

to replace who?

[crystal flicker]

You have better luck running Cindy against T3 tho

[tropic summit]

indom duel? wouldn't want to take that chance

[quartz rover]

Can you explain this in layman's? I don't really know pvp

[tropic summit]

rather run generic 2RL nuke on T1 and stall on T3

[fast jetty]

have some other leftover units e.g. rapun, unleveled moran/pepper/etc. no rumani for me

[tropic summit]

give this a 5-10 min read
https://nikke.gg/arena-mechanics/

highly suggest it if you're not familiar with basic jargon

[crystal flicker]

T1 is fine, you'll get 1RL
T2 is where you should use Blanc
T3 better with Cindy 2RL

[fast jetty]

👍 so just swap team and that is it?

[tropic summit]

T2 will have sustain and DR, you better give scarlet 2 buffs

for the rest i agree with Hoshi

was thinking of this

T2 assumes SBS and RH are linked, meaning SBS has more atk% than helmT (OL included)

SBS should also have less HP than RH and jackal, but that should be a given

[crystal flicker]

It's P1 Cindy, he'll promote to 1RL with Scarlet

[tropic summit]

ye but he needs jackal for T2 to run double buff safely, enemy team could be 2.5RL

[crystal flicker]

Can relegate some resources to get 3/3 win, but yeah

[fast jetty]

thats mine

[tropic summit]

check atk% OL, if SBS has more than helmt, SBS is linked over helmt

if no atk OL, helmT is linked

[fast jetty]

i see, it is not shown here

[tropic summit]

you can use the blabla app

or just run a shooting range and check who gets the buff

[fast jetty]

helm 10.4+9+5.47 = 26% something
Sbs 11.81+11.11 = def less than helm

haven't cube my sbs that much

[tropic summit]

oh wow

RIP that lineup then, discard helmT

[fast jetty]

wait ,which one was it?

their T2 was SBS+ helm, not mine

[tropic summit]

you're on the left

the arrow points toward the team you'd counter

i already fixed T2 to run optimal linked indom, assumes SBS has lower hp than RH and jackal, no longer atk% condition needed as we removed 3rd attacker

[fast jetty]

i see, we are thinking about SBS+blanc + redhood + centi + jackal instead of the siren + biscuit + naga filler cop (the old T3)

[tropic summit]

you're doing this essentially, but without helmT and on 3RL

[fast jetty]

but if i take helm and centi away from cindy, what do my cindy do? bench?

[tropic summit]

the double buff makes up for you having to waste 3s roughly against noah's shield, then dealing with DR and sustain from noise

[tropic summit]

your cindy team is above?

your teams are on the left sir

[fast jetty]

ah

then my scarlet?

[tropic summit]

no need

you can run her against T3 if you want to

[crystal flicker]

Do you have any clip RL with 18% CS?

[fast jetty]

i see.. so buff sbs, indom to 1v4

[tropic summit]

ya that makes easy work of biscuitless defenders

there's 2 main counters to SBS

1. p1 defender taunters + biscuit
2. sakura on high burst lvl

[fast jetty]

my noah is 5.8+2.28+2.86+4.92 = 15.86%.. well , not 18% yet, i can maybe reroll a bit.

is 2% chargespeed keep or reroll?

ok, rerolled, (5.8+2.28+4.63+4.92=17.63)
at 17% charspeed, if i use charge cube i can get 18%

[quartz rover]

I read it, is there a reason it goes by rocket launcher shots? Also what's the "auto" part unless you just mean auto select team

[crystal flicker]

That's 6+2+3+5

[tropic summit]

1. yes it's rockets shot, e.g. watch this video noah, once you count 4, B1 starts = 4RL
2. yes, auto as in just throw w/e on high CP leftover to pad a team out

[fast jetty]

ok, is this the final draft i wanna run? I am still learning what is going on

[quartz rover]

I see, are all the characters you listed in the wishlist? dunno all of them by look, put the list together two days ago when someone said good pvp characters

[tropic summit]

there's only one odd that would be screwing it over, enemy SBS proccing s2 on p4 screwing indom priority, what are the odds? @crystal flicker

iirc you mention it b4 on 3RL

he could just run it safely with 2RL then again...

[quartz rover]

also does the order of teams matter? or can I just front load first two teams and make auto for the last, or auto first then put the two you provided

[tropic summit]

order doesn't matter

on attacking your def enemy pick what they want to fight, as they want to

[crystal flicker]

That actually happened to me once, with Biscuit stole Indom

[tropic summit]

ya was thinking of that

we could use him as guinea pig and find out?

for science

[quartz rover]

would you say its better to just have fodder for first team? ton of people in my shard are either new or rerolled accounts

[tropic summit]

it doesn't matter, just use those 2 teams and fill the 3rd with w/e (prefer at least high CP units, place B1 and B2 in p4 and p5)

[quartz rover]

ok

[crystal flicker]

Too bad you don't have built Rumani or Anis

[fast jetty]

i dont have rumani, i have sAnis built , OG Anis.. WIP I guess

[crystal flicker]

You could've got 3/3 with Rumani lol

[fast jetty]

some one just wont come

well i guess at least i got scarlet yesterday that i can finally play higher level pvp

[tropic summit]

other option anyway

[crystal flicker]

I was thinking about this, before I realize you don't have Anis built

P1 will be 2RL

[fast jetty]

i should have resource to build anis, for lv0 OL gear with lv4 skills

[tropic summit]

this is good too, sort of same reasoning but with scarlet instead of cindy for T1

[oblique ridge]

R1: I’d just outspeed and AoE nuke this team with Scarlet. Doesn’t matter if Cindy survives, she’s weak if she never reaches burst stage 3. More important that their B1s or B2s all die.

R2: Emilia nuke takes care of this one. Or Indomitable with a strong constant dps.

R3: Other two teams are easier to counter, so I’d throw this one.

[umbral belfry]

@shell hazel @tropic summit ch25 done

[crystal flicker]

yeh, I calc the gen

[umbral belfry]

stupid level

[tropic summit]

even while debuffed, you cleared it, sassuga

[fast jetty]

or should i ? my raven is not even built 💀 . or grave. or mari

too much pvp (while not using brain), and too little raid boss prep

[umbral belfry]

[crystal flicker]

The next MA

[tropic summit]

ever since trina and helmT release, anis is no longer really needed for SParena

different matter if for CA although

[fast jetty]

i dont have emillia 😄

D:

[quartz rover]

no matter how many times I refresh it shows 10 as highest

[tropic summit]

well we gave 3 options, pick w/e you wanna try

[quartz rover]

i'm rank 22

[crystal flicker]

It's normal, starting from Challenger, you can only attack 3 rank higher than you

[fast jetty]

ok to summarize, option 1 is my prev team

option 2 is
#pvp-arena message

option 3
#pvp-arena message

[quartz rover]

I think they will murder me too

[crystal flicker]

She'll help you maintain top position

[tropic summit]

go for option 2 or hoshi's suggestion with scarlet instead of cindy for T1

option 3 assumes ur helmT has burst around lvl5-7

[fast jetty]

my helm is 10-10-10

[tropic summit]

uh that'd work aswell then i guess

[quartz rover]

so basically I need to beat the 10th place just to get above them?

[tropic summit]

dia 11-19 iirc can fight up to ch8

[oblique ridge]

I like option 3

[tropic summit]

you can hit the diamonds then hit challengers

[quartz rover]

i'll hit 11th (try to)

[oblique ridge]

I remember you struggled with Indomitable. So option 3 is clean and easy @fast jetty

[crystal flicker]

Yeh, less rng

[fast jetty]

I'd try 2 and 3 later tonight

[keen vapor]

Hime MA

[fast jetty]

Thanks for all the help!

[quartz rover]

also the first team got slapped by everyone I fought

[umbral belfry]

[oblique ridge]

I’m a villain and villains apply for other people. Hime for President MA!

[umbral belfry]

I don't want it

[oblique ridge]

j/k, I didn’t and won’t

[crystal flicker]

You know we're not a witch, we can't see your comp if you're didn't share it

or are we

[fast jetty]

witch hat tho

[quartz rover]

third is just auto

[crystal flicker]

Hat means nothing without the power 🧙‍♀️

[keen vapor]

Why not

[keen vapor]

[crystal flicker]

You have better chance running Trina with Moran

[umbral belfry]

Bc if MA is anything like moderating a community (e.g mmo community), been there done that

[quartz rover]

I dont really know the duos, I was helped earlier

[umbral belfry]

and if i'm ma i can't do this

[keen vapor]

I'm not a mod
I only ever tag @mod when there's a bot or something

[umbral belfry]

@keen vapor

[keen vapor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1026322546934698004.gif?size=48&animated=true&name=whyyysnapped

[oblique ridge]

Oh, MAs are just … … I guess certified nerds?

No moderation or management obligations. Gets evaluated on whether they were helpful to players.

[umbral belfry]

[oblique ridge]

Helpful as in with game knowledge or expertise

So if you already are tending to do that, it’s literally free acknowledgement hehe

[keen vapor]

☝️

[umbral belfry]

hmmm

[oblique ridge]

But also means there’s no difference. If you’re a helpful existence like a cute cat is, you’re still a helpful existence without being MA

[umbral belfry]

i'll prolly be too lazy to apply for just a fancy title still not really interested

[oblique ridge]

There’s merch incentive but personally I kinda ignore it (it gathers dust)

Syuen sleeping mask

[keen vapor]

Good, more Chimes and Doros for me

[keen vapor]

YOU GOT THAT?!

[oblique ridge]

Yep, went to check to be sure. One’s Syuen, other’s… idk. Pink/purple/white hair, red irises, and no clue who that is

Is it Rei? Wth

[crystal flicker]

It's Drake

[oblique ridge]

Nah hers is straight white hair

This one had purple or pink tinge

Eyes too red to be Rei but the hair matches

[umbral belfry]

@tropic summit ouchie

[oblique ridge]

I’ll just look up sleeping masks from Nikke to find a match

[tropic summit]

did you read about counters?

you should've first understood what enemy teams do before throwing random things at them

attack is all about tailoring the team against what you fighting

the teams that were provided to you are general purpose def teams

[tropic summit]

yeah, i think it's time to rest there

39% deficit is good enuff

@shell hazel she's back into ultra malder status, all gud

[umbral belfry]

[oblique ridge]

I couldn’t find it

So much merch junk sites

[keen vapor]

If it's angry face then it is

[crystal flicker]

Ah, it's your cook

[keen vapor]

Counters, where?

[crystal flicker]

I still prefer Moran-Trina though, it's like you have 2nd Biscuit

[oblique ridge]

Oh, so I guess it’s angry Rei with red eyes. I don’t remember that, RIP

The standard Rei (small schoolkid one) doesn’t have red eyes

But that one is happily munching candy

Anyways, too bad it wasn’t Frima eye mask

[tropic summit]

he was linked a guide

[tropic summit]

ye it's someone else

[quartz rover]

I can't find counters in the guide but I get what you're saying

I only remember some launch nikke because I played during then

So I can't really determine what they are or do

[keen vapor]

Which :Rouge Stare:

[tropic summit]

https://nikke.gg/arena-meta-overview/

[tropic summit]

https://nikke.gg/arena-meta-overview/

it's on the same website

[keen vapor]

Oh, nikke GG

[tropic summit]

either way if you ever feel in doubt before running a match just post the matchup here and someone will help you out @quartz rover

it's a great way to learn as you'll come to understand typical archetypes

[keen vapor]

[umbral crown]

[sleek imp]

You mean mine...?

[gritty ridge]

Would it be better to build 1 pvp team since most of my pvp units are so low invest? I can have 1 around 150k and another team at 210-ish

If I build 2 I get 1 at around 120k and one at around 90k with 3rd at 210-ish

[tropic summit]

in SParena your defense is as good as your 2 worst teams

only 1 team means that team gets skipped and opponent wins against the other 2

[gritty ridge]

I meant 1 decent pvp team and 1 cp gap team

My b

[tropic summit]

if that's all you can make then sure

[gritty ridge]

Like I said 3rd team isnt even 100k

[tropic summit]

aim for 3RL, 4RL and 1 CP pad then

[gritty ridge]

So don't copy my rookie team onto team 1 and hit auto on team 3?

Rookie team can beat 25% deficit pretty frequently

[umbral crown]

[gritty ridge]

Its 150k and I have successful defense from 200k pretty frequently

[keen vapor]

Rosy, I just realized

You should cook more

[sleek imp]

[keen vapor]

You need to improve a little
-# Me too

[quartz rover]

centi obtained

[keen vapor]

Now treasure her

[quartz rover]

but I dont have two copies

[keen vapor]

Oh right build up that silver mileage

[alpine frost]

https://tenor.com/view/feels-good-man-nicolas-cage-gif-5444501

So a couple days ago I finally beat the guy that had been farming me for arena rating for weeks, and instead of trying to fight back dude proceeded to just stop playing Rookie Arena.

Feels nice to be back on top lol

[upper grove]

rookie

[umbral crown]

[upper grove]

I sometimes place a lvl 1 crow in there just for fun

[alpine frost]

hey gems is gems. He could ahve still gotten 3k for staying in the number 2 spot but he rage quit the entire mode instead.

[upper grove]

that's SP and not rookie

[alpine frost]

oh you're right

Well I use the currency for code manuals 🤷🏽

[upper grove]

SP is either tryhards or whales or both. and then get CA RNG

[alpine frost]

I'm hard stuck at #2 in SP under a guy that wins Champion Arena lol I still get the full payout at the end of the season so I don't mind though.

[quartz rover]

I don't think i'll get that high unless the whales get bored

but sunken cost fallacy

[upper grove]

top 4 in my bracket sometimes gets a single attacker otherwise we just chill

[umbral belfry]

who

[upper grove]

lvls are close enough so defender will always lose

[umbral belfry]

too easily broken now

[upper grove]

bracket is like:
410
390
370
360
me at 350
rest is 330 or lower

[alpine frost]

Aceross Server 10501

[umbral belfry]

oh yeah it's wraps for you 😭

but that also means you're in our CA bracket

reveal yourself

[alpine frost]

Who me? Or the other guy lol

[umbral belfry]

[tropic summit]

[umbral belfry]

:amaz

oops

[tropic summit]

well he's a mole

[alpine frost]

https://tenor.com/view/mole-cute-cute-mole-kuroiwa-judgment-gif-7088429688355117093

[umbral belfry]

put guacamole in his eyes. that'll get em

[tropic summit]

[alpine frost]

you fool! that only makes me stronger!

I'm actually not that amazing at team building, I only started coming here for advice within the last week or so because of the guy dumping all 5 of his Rookie Arena attempts on me every day and I started to take it personally.

[umbral belfry]

And now you got revenge

[tropic summit]

that's how the villain arc begins

[alpine frost]

I always found SP easier because there were more paths to victory, Rookie has people going all in on one team.

[tropic summit]

rookie is actually easier than SP arena

but yeah not if you're CP gapped i guess

[umbral belfry]

i just use it as a team testing ground

[loud sonnet]

I see now I know what Sora looks like

[alpine frost]

My experience has changed over time. It used to all be hard, then rookie was easier, then SP was easier. I suppose as I get deeper into PVP and get shuffled into other groups over time SP will get harder again.

But I've started really investing in my PVP Nikkes finally, so I'll hopefully put up a fight.

[vague slate]

[umbral belfry]

Mole leveling up

[alpine frost]

Drug Mule Waifu Powers Activate!

[vague slate]

Poor mole

[umbral belfry]

At least he still gets 3k gems/biweekly

[vague slate]

Ohh thats perf then

[alpine frost]

Staying at #2 has been relatively effortless. Someone will snatch it from me from time to time but it only takes a little tinkering to get it back.

[vague slate]

nothing to fret about mole be golden

[alpine frost]

Yeah, it sucks not being able to say I'm #1 in my battlegroup anymore since I rotated into this one though lol

[vague slate]

How often do rotations happen anyways

[umbral belfry]

every 3 months

[alpine frost]

I'm not sure, I only notice when I start seeing new names.

[umbral belfry]

to which you may be rotated into another bracket

for both rookie and sp

think we have about 2 months left until the next one?

[alpine frost]

As long as I'm top three I don't really care lol but it would be nice to place higher in Champion.

[vague slate]

My Rookie is group 914

[alpine frost]

I've only managed top 16 so far

[umbral belfry]

time to get into the pvp kitchen and cook up some teams

[vague slate]

What're you guys at

[umbral belfry]

863, but you get rotated by server join dates

[vague slate]

Okay I'm far off then

[alpine frost]

Arena Group 826 here

[umbral belfry]

yeah so it's unlikely we get rotated into each other 😭

[vague slate]

But either way, some new faces will be nice

[alpine frost]

I'd rather stay from people that know what they are doing until I get my teams sorted 🤣

[vague slate]

I've been hitting the same souls over and over

[alpine frost]

yeah I try to hit the same person max 2 times, I just go down the rankings and shave off a little bit of rating.

[vague slate]

haha we basically contradicted each other a little

[umbral crown]

New a nee bracket, the lack of action is real

[alpine frost]

It wasn't until the one guy started dumping on me continuously that I felt the need to really abuse someone.

[vague slate]

Same CA is nice though, at this rate we'd identify everyone

[umbral crown]

My C1 was just there for 1st season, after that have not seen him anymore

[umbral belfry]

he

[umbral crown]

And he just have 1 or 2 brown frames

[alpine frost]

I need one of those sick silver frames from placing above 16th

multiple times. I forget which one it was I liked.

I'm a long way off from winning the whole thing but a cool frame is very motivating lol

[umbral belfry]

believe in rng

[vague slate]

hime, do you recall which one you won? was it recent

[umbral belfry]

4th

[vague slate]

we're on 6th?

[upper grove]

just place your units well

[umbral belfry]

[alpine frost]

WAIT I'VE SEEN YOU

[vague slate]

nice love it

[alpine frost]

U SCARY

[umbral belfry]

hihi mr mole

if there is any solace, i also lost to ace

[alpine frost]

I think I copied a few of your teams 🤣

[umbral belfry]

may it lead you to a win

[alpine frost]

I've had my runs ended by Cup and Aceross multiple times lol

[umbral belfry]

that's actually bad luck i fear 😭

but 7 is a lucky number it's time next ca

the 7th season

[vague slate]

19th season will be mine

[alpine frost]

This is neat. Nikke players always seemed kinda faceless in a way, so chit chatting with others in my Arena Group is really nice.

[umbral belfry]

We're all buddy buddy here

[alpine frost]

Way better than malding in Co Op

[vague slate]

buddy buddy simulation

[umbral belfry]

as long as you get 10% ranking for the rewards

[vague slate]

are we really real

[alpine frost]

I'm really really a mole

[umbral belfry]

big fan

[alpine frost]

an underground fuzzy lil guy

[vague slate]

jealous of those dolls

[alpine frost]

https://tenor.com/view/kerfuffle-gif-13134949733768996125

just got an SR unit from a Missilis mold

[umbral belfry]

F

[vague slate]

F

[alpine frost]

Am I allowed to link my ShiftyPad in here so I can get some advice on who to build next?

[umbral belfry]

You should be able to yeah

[alpine frost]

https://www.blablalink.com/shiftyspad/nikke-list?uid=MjkwODAtMTc0MDc2MjQ2MTA5NTg3NDYyODE%3D

[vague slate]

Ein fav girl?

[alpine frost]

The only thing I can't really address is Quantum/Tempering cubes because I'm still leveling my Bastion/Resilience

[umbral belfry]

not sure if it's just me but when i click that link it just shows me all level 1 + no gear units

[alpine frost]

lol I started building her during mid to late 20s chapters because I knew I was going to need her for Mirror Container, and just got really lucky with her lines.

[vague slate]

It did that for me too then refreshed into his nikke list hmm

[umbral crown]

[alpine frost]

She was my strongest Nikke before I ever put her on a team

[umbral belfry]

oh now it works

[alpine frost]

In Campaign I usually run Crown/SBS/RRH/Red Hood/FItem Helm.

[vague slate]

Aye would just beware of leveling boots if not for cp pad kinda waste

[umbral belfry]

you best OL your Lap good sir

[alpine frost]

yeah I'm aware of that, but I've needed the padding more often than I haven't.

[umbral belfry]

LapT is good for both PvP + PvE (like tower)

[worthy sorrel]

[umbral belfry]

[placid bloom]

probably Scar Trina first

LapT can wait a bit, she's just battery

[umbral belfry]

Consider investing in here later down the road if you're aiming for higher ranks in CA. She's in SG comp, but note she needs high investment

[vague slate]

Oof

[umbral belfry]

i'd say she's lower prio for you though

[umbral belfry]

just realizedd scar has no OL you're right

[placid bloom]

Jackal Biscuit Noah your only RLs that have OL

[worthy sorrel]

@alpine frost what's your in game name? when did we match up?

[umbral belfry]

come out of your undergound hole, mole

[placid bloom]

Scar > Trina > Centi for now

then LapT and XMaid

once you finish those 5 you can think about Moran + Noise

[vague slate]

Top 16 I think

[umbral belfry]

this pains me greatly

[alpine frost]

Sometime early on. I'm only just starting to really care about Arena and I see your name all the time in CA. Definitely ran into you at least once.

[umbral belfry]

[vague slate]

[placid bloom]

actually Rumani before Moran Noise

[alpine frost]

I was basically putting only the minimal effort into building units and relying on basic team building until now, which is why I'm hanging out here now.

[umbral belfry]

rumani before moran i could see, rumani before noise though

[vague slate]

Wait really? Pourquoi

[umbral belfry]

maybe it's just the noise simp in me talking though

[placid bloom]

Noise needs more than OL to function though

[umbral belfry]

hmmm

[alpine frost]

So Noah/Biscuit/Jackal getting their OLs was very recent out of necessity to deal with a specific player that was annoying me.

[worthy sorrel]

oooo of this season? macal? 👀

[vague slate]

its MOLE

Not to call them out or anything, was shared above

[alpine frost]

There are other units that I am sure are higher priority but would not have helped me in that specific matchup, but since I've started investing I may as well actually take care of the roster.

[umbral belfry]

honestly looking at this you should prolly focus on your pve (rrh + rh + crown) skill levels, but outside of that i'd say scar + trina OLs are priority yeah

[worthy sorrel]

[vague slate]

OL for Noise is cs+atk?

[worthy sorrel]

oooooooo

[placid bloom]

well PvE-wise the rocks are spread too thin, basically only AsukaW has anything resembling passable stats tbh

[umbral belfry]

aiming for kraken clear

[placid bloom]

I guess XLud is okay

[alpine frost]

I have been VERY unlucky with OL lines and it's probably the most frustrating system in the game for me.

[umbral belfry]

cs should be prio, but atk and ele is nice too

[worthy sorrel]

i remember. omg i'm so sorry 🙇‍♂️

[vague slate]

thanks hime

[umbral belfry]

bully

[raven plover]

you need to check your noah cs if you plan to add cs on noise

[umbral belfry]

[worthy sorrel]

if it helps Zyph recked both me and ace this season lol

[umbral belfry]

the karma for said bullying

[worthy sorrel]

revenge in your name

[raven plover]

whoever has lower cs gonna get focused, this might be bad vs siren p1 p2 atm

[alpine frost]

you're fine dude lol I'm here to get better so talking to people that know what they are doing is great

[vague slate]

Ok good shout, I don't have noah yet so I have so much time to look into this

[umbral belfry]

thats why you plan ahead and make noise have taunt priority

[vague slate]

Are they usually on same team?

[umbral belfry]

noise and noah? usually yes

[raven plover]

most of the time

[placid bloom]

unless you dropping Cinderella from your team

then you can split them

[umbral belfry]

regardless if it's a 2/2.5/3 rl noah noise cindy comp they're usually all paired together, unless you're doing something else (for ca)

[worthy sorrel]

next season starting up just around the corner. come take your revenge. i will wait for you

[umbral belfry]

but for rookie/sp, usually you wouldn't split them

[vague slate]

gotcha im noting it up

[umbral belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/write-that-down-taking-notes-school-universities-university-gif-17937210

[vague slate]

But if I run biscuit, I would rather have noise higher cs?

[umbral belfry]

Biscuit doesn't taunt so that's not an issue here

[vague slate]

wait that kinda messes cindys placement

[placid bloom]

no because you are still losing to Mermaid

[vague slate]

ooo

[umbral belfry]

Noah P1 Noise (taunt priority) x Bisc Cindy (but if siren is in p3-5 noah is stunned )

[placid bloom]

I mean if you're bulky enough you can maybe still win if it's something like a single buff Scar Trina

[umbral belfry]

but for a siren in p1-2, assuming your noise has less cs she gets stunned instead of noah. hence why you'd want an extra b1

which is why i use pascal pepper to still ensure fb

[placid bloom]

don't really count Mermaid as double buff

[vague slate]

ok somewhat surprised that this is kind of registering in my smol brain

[umbral belfry]

he's learning

noise stunned still is , but i'd rather her stunned vs noah

now if noise is your only b1 on your team, then yanno gg

[worthy sorrel]

soooon

[umbral belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/nier-automata-pascal-stylish-axe-gif-6574755467710217894

[worthy sorrel]

did they ever fix the pascal first shot miss bug keripo talked about in his spreadsheet?

[vague slate]

Just curious, why wouldn't we have noah on a different team and use someone like rumani as the other backup b1?

[umbral belfry]

i wasn't even aware there was a bug

[umbral belfry]

rumani is fine as a backup b1

[alpine frost]

wait does this mean Pascal is the highest prio unit of the Nier Collab? lmao

[umbral belfry]

as for noah on another team (assuming you mean ca), i mean you could? but should you blanc is usually for sbs. trina is b2 for scar. usually naga/viper/poli for b2 sg

[umbral belfry]

precisely

[worthy sorrel]

low key yeah

[umbral belfry]

interesting

[alpine frost]

https://tenor.com/view/kowalski-noted-penguins-penguins-of-madagascar-gif-1306663699157096677

[vague slate]

I'm just not getting the conclusion that noise noah cindy should all be on the same team just right now HOWEVER my brain is also thinking of CA, so I can understand that for sp that would be great all together

[umbral belfry]

noah noise rumani bisc cindy is fine strong 3 rl team that's strong against sgs on both sides

[worthy sorrel]

but also you know... he's not this

[umbral belfry]

but you're gonna get smacked by a 2 - 2.5 scar/nuke

[umbral belfry]

[worthy sorrel]

[placid bloom]

Cinderella just doesn't have good matchup spread in general

[alpine frost]

it's been a long time since I noticed the jiggle during gameplay lol

[placid bloom]

you lose to mirror if they have Noah and you don't, you lose to Scarlet because she casts faster

[alpine frost]

usually too busy tracking down the one tiny sniper bot that wants to murder my Crown

[vague slate]

I was planning on running blanc cindy thelm biscuit rumani because I dont have noah, would that survive vs sg as a 3rl

indom and biscuit might be waste tho

[umbral belfry]

i heard a few times that blanc + cindy is a bad idea due to her decoy meaning she likely won't be indom

but i cannot confirm this for sure

i wouldn't run this

[placid bloom]

Blanc Biscuit is also low win rate team

unfortunately

[umbral belfry]

[alpine frost]

What is the Arena Shotgun team?

[vague slate]

Thank you this is huge

[umbral belfry]

BSoda DrakeT Viper/Naga/Poli Rosa Noir

[worthy sorrel]

i know what you mean. scoped your profile. campagn clear/23-20 hard pretty good at mid 300s

[umbral belfry]

but if your rosa isn't invested + high skill levels, don't bother

she'll hit like a noodle

[worthy sorrel]

focusing on the right stuff

[umbral belfry]

also if you're gonna use viper treasure, don't phase 3 her you'll be bricked to add an additional b2

[alpine frost]

thank you thank you. Nikke has been my main game since I picked it up, and I actually really care about getting better at it.

[alpine frost]

I actually already knew this, she was my next FItem target so I checked ahead.

[umbral belfry]

I guess if your rosa isn't ready yet, you could do 5 sgs and pray

[alpine frost]

lol I guess I won't worry about shotgun team unless it becomes obvious I'm really short of options for CA.

For now I'm able to hold my ground in SP with what I have, so refining those teams and adding some extra options from the suggestions here is priority for now.

[raven plover]

they fixed it last year

[alpine frost]

Thanks for all the advice and kind words, you guys are super welcoming.

[raven plover]

27th Sept 2024 update iirc

I used it on season 3

[worthy sorrel]

[fast jetty]

(screenshot order was Round 2-3-1)

W-L-L

[crystal flicker]

You should've record it

[swift mango]

Unless Moran linked just 2rl wipe team moran. Can 2rl wipe SBS too. Use Noah team to beat cindy or SBS.

[fast jetty]

loading my obs now, slow af

yeah i think noah team beat cindy and let go scarlet team seems a .. default option for a less brainded me.

[crystal flicker]

about the time you build Anis

[solid gorge]

I usually go Scarlet vs Scarlet if I know my burstgen and CP is better/close enough

[fast jetty]

about time to buy $50 video recording software instead of obs

[fast jetty]

video coming, OBS game/window cap just not work so this is it

[swift mango]

You needs to buy video recording app?

[fast jetty]

used to have one of those for free, tag price $169

is 2RL wipe (scarlet/cindy) enough to wipe 3RL noah?

[crystal flicker]

HelmT really failed to Nuke

OBS works great for me tho

[fast jetty]

idk it stopped working today

[solid gorge]

I am currently to work on my 1st comp as i (kinda) ok with my 2nd and 3d one. No idea what can I change here. (got Rosa. Rumani MAnchor Anis as spare RL)
Any ideas?

[crystal flicker]

Scarlet yes, Cindy no

[crystal flicker]

That T2 is a waste

[fast jetty]

something is broken on my helm?

got the reload speed cube for CP

[solid gorge]

but the enjoyment of overkilling enenemy scarlet trina worth

[crystal flicker]

Trina Centi Jackal already guarantee 2RL
HelmT is wasted there

[solid gorge]

Yeah but strangely this is kinda works against few Scarlet Trina band where Scarlet ult is about nanosec
What should i put there then?

[crystal flicker]

No, their 3rd comp has tons of CS so Moran bursting right before HelmT

[crystal flicker]

You should check your Charge speed on each RLs then

[fast jetty]

i see.. Burst 3 at 2RL slower than Burst 1 at 3RL

[crystal flicker]

You need at least 18% CS on 3rl to make that happen

[fast jetty]

that i dont have, only my noah had but not on noise/centi etc

let me review the option 2 you gave..

[crystal flicker]

I don't gave you 2nd option

[fast jetty]

your 1st*

[crystal flicker]

You might confuse me with @tropic summit

[fast jetty]

true...

sorry about that

not sure what the button mean, but is this team possibly 2RL? not sure if relevant at all

[crystal flicker]

that's insanity

It's 2.5

[fast jetty]

tried that but somehow my blanc get the indom and not sbs

[crystal flicker]

I want you to try this if possible

[fast jetty]

2RL scarlet didn't burst out their 2.5 RL noah

[crystal flicker]

That's 34 ammo Scarlet?

[fast jetty]

great, noted. that is we are trying to noah+cindy their noah+sbs tho, is that fine?

hmmmmm... 33 ammo maybe...

[crystal flicker]

ScarBS ain't gonna deal anything, though you also really depend on Cindy after-burst attack to hit them

[fast jetty]

34

[swift mango]

Need buffer

[crystal flicker]

I have another unorthodox comp, just swap Cindy and ScarBS on their respective comp

[fast jetty]

a better screenshot:
34

[swift mango]

30-32 or 60

[fast jetty]

is it good? bad?

[crystal flicker]

Irrelevant for this match, but more than 32 can be stunned by Siren

[swift mango]

Bad

[fast jetty]

so like don't do this 3x max ammo thing ( i only have 1x ammo line)

the lines are pretty trash tho, just got her last night

[swift mango]

If you only have 1 ammo line and don't want to reroll for more try to keep it at 50-60%

[fast jetty]

lines

[crystal surge]

how do i beat this

[swift mango]

You have bad line, but I think you don't have Scarlet and Trina invested enough is the problem. Can just add RH to buff

[crystal flicker]

Stall comp or Cindy 2RL

[swift mango]

just have Siren p3-4-5 with tempering and maybe a healer in the team

[crystal surge]

uh

[fast jetty]

yeah, trina 4/7/7 with some charge speed at 9%, some ele dmg, etc

[crystal surge]

so like noah + cindy + helmt + noise+ siren??

[swift mango]

in this team just replace ASS with siren

[crystal surge]

maiden b3?

[swift mango]

yeah

[crystal surge]

ok i will try

[fast jetty]

RH to buff like this?

[crystal surge]

what's the cube for them?

[crystal flicker]

Ping me when you try that comp

[fast jetty]

nice, loaded the comp, will try tmr .. if my defense win that is

[swift mango]

add quantum to be safe

[crystal flicker]

spend gems

What's your current rank though

[fast jetty]

9

[swift mango]

tempering on siren and Noise if level 7.

[fast jetty]

have some odd comp ahead of me

idk if the legit but low CP comp is easier or the odd comp with high CP

[crystal surge]

how do i also beat this guy

[crystal surge]

my tempering is level 4, so i use vigor on noise and siren?

[crystal flicker]

Those 2M CP must be lazy

[fast jetty]

same level, how so big CP diff? i guess core level 5 and 6 and stuff..

[swift mango]

Noah+Biscuit+Cindy+Helm+Rumani

same for the last enemy too. But need enough cp ofc

[crystal surge]

how much investment for rumani, havent invested her at all

[crystal flicker]

CP pad comp vs proper PvP comp

[swift mango]

just your cp/their > 0.846

[crystal surge]

aight thanks man appreciate you alot

[crystal surge]

this guy has the same team

can i beat this guy?, cp diff tho

[fast jetty]

i should also do the math for my pve invest too, but mostly for campaign and that inception boss. also forgot i should clear more hard stages today.

[swift mango]

no

[swift mango]

Noah+Biscuit+HelmT+Emi+RH

if not deficit

[swift mango]

reply to wrong comment lol

[crystal surge]

ah thanks man

need help (again)

[crystal flicker]

What are you actually trying to achieve

[crystal surge]

win

[crystal flicker]

C1 C2 C3

[crystal surge]

what

[crystal flicker]

Anyway I'd use Scarlet Soda/Siren Trina Centi Jackal for T1, and skip T2, then Noise Noah Cindy HelmT Rumani for T3

[crystal flicker]

Top 1, 2, 3 PvP

[swift mango]

Remember his scar trina left SBS with half hp?

[crystal flicker]

I don't know that

Half HP means he fighting deficits tho

[swift mango]

nvm that's another guy

[swift mango]

or maybe just bricked Scar trina

[crystal surge]

aight thanks man will tryt

[crystal surge]

oh this is c9

[crystal flicker]

That reminds me to roll ATK for Scarlet

[crystal surge]

cant beat anyone else, everyone and their mother in my server is a mega whale

[crystal flicker]

I don't believe C1-C8 is all whale

[crystal surge]

also which scarlet

the alt or normal scarlet

[crystal flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/stellar-blade-scarlet-stellar-blade-stellar-blade-nikke-dlc-gif-8067612812148740536

[crystal surge]

oki

ouch

tmr ig

[quick lake]

[crystal flicker]

Are you under deficits

[crystal surge]

yes

[crystal flicker]

no wonder

[crystal surge]

3056974 vs 2912416

i can attempt one more time cuz i have the coin thingy

[crystal flicker]

I mean per team

[crystal flicker]

T1 under deficit yeah, T3 however I said "Noise Noah"

[crystal surge]

oh damn im blind mb

[crystal flicker]

wait

Oh

Scarlet vs their Cindy
Cindy vs their Scarlet

[crystal surge]

Okay,

[crystal flicker]

You might able to replace Siren with RH and make the comp Scarlet Trina RH Centi Jackal

[crystal surge]

should i level up trina's and centi's gear?

theyre 0

[crystal flicker]

Unless their Cindy comp has tons of CS, you should be good

[quick lake]

Minimally OL them plz

[crystal surge]

ok

[crystal flicker]

And I'd like to add Soda investment

[crystal surge]

rumani, centi, jackal, trina ol then

[quick lake]

Yes, all OL pls

[crystal surge]

bunny soda?

[crystal flicker]

Regular Soda

[crystal surge]

level 5?

[quick lake]

Dont need to lv them to 5. Just OL +0 is fine

Budget OL +2 is fine

[crystal flicker]

Regular Soda is perfect counter for Noise Noah

[crystal surge]

ok i will ol them

after this solo raid

[crystal surge]

oh hey

[crystal flicker]

What Solo Raid?

[crystal surge]

idk providence comeback when

[quick lake]

never

[crystal flicker]

They already messed that 2 times, what makes you think they won't mess the 3rd one

[crystal surge]

noooo

[crystal surge]

who knows
so i can use my resource to build eve/raven instead of benching them lol

[crystal flicker]

Every time I see that Power profile, it reminds me to GM account lol

[crystal surge]

this power guy is my no 1 opp

i hate him

https://tenor.com/view/hate-you-anakin-gif-5247878

[crystal flicker]

Climb more

C4 for CA, C7 for 2700 gems

[crystal surge]

i just got a new laptop yesterday i will grind my stuff as best as i can
since i played on mobile for 2+ years

playing on mobile makes you lazy fr

[crystal flicker]

[shell hazel]

atk nero let's go 😄

[shell hazel]

[swift mango]

He is 502 but with Power in his bracket. He is level bricked and not making to C1-4.

My union leader is 561+ without power/CSM collab. And he barely compete for C4 with more investment. Dude was lucky enough to be able to to hit C9 with his bricked level and no OL on some units. His bracket bricked enough but I doubt C1-4 would be bricked too.

[covert lintel]

Will this be enough?

[crystal flicker]

SR15 101010

[swift mango]

at least try to 10107 her

[covert lintel]

I don't have yellow skill book

[swift mango]

[crystal flicker]

He should go all in to PvP

[swift mango]

Then 1077 and put moran p1 instead. and hope you don't meat siren

[crystal flicker]

At least SR15

[swift mango]

or put her p1 and hope you don't meet SG/Scarlet

[vapid lake]

Arent u ppl saving doll kits for new batch of treasure next month

what if there is an op pvp treasure in there like helm

[covert lintel]

Yes i currently focused on nero's doll

[covert lintel]

You still need to wait for treasure anyway

[swift mango]

I'm saving doll because I don't have enough to guarantee a sr15.... Temping to try and sr15 emi but Sugar treasure maybe meta SG team along with Drake and Noir.

[covert lintel]

We really need a clip SG B2

[swift mango]

Viper.

I need a B2 defender with clip SG burst gen.

no more, no less

[covert lintel]

So few

[crystal flicker]

P23 also Clip SG

[swift mango]

[crystal flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/doro-dorothy-nikke-goddess-of-victory-doro-nikke-ドロ-gif-2769997707736412017

[swift mango]

Well, he need to get his 3% frame too so yeah.

At least with his minimum investment he beat up a guy with 17%+ CS whole team for the CA slot, just because he log in more.

His bracket was pretty hellish and he survived it. With minimum investment.

Like 4 guys in the 601+ range.

[crystal flicker]

Pretty much my bracket with Momo

[raven plover]

channeling my power for emma

[swift mango]

Neon treasure.

[gaunt cypress]

how can this lineup get 2,5RL ?

[swift mango]

emi and helmT is 2.5 rl

[crystal flicker]

CS

[gaunt cypress]

how much ?

[crystal flicker]

18%

[gaunt cypress]

both emi and helm ? or just one of them

[crystal flicker]

Both

[swift mango]

Emi 8% max skill 1.

HelmT 11%.

[crystal flicker]

You mean 18% HelmT

[swift mango]

SR is much faster than RL.

[crystal flicker]

Emi kinda tricky though

[swift mango]

One of them is probably enough, especially HelmT. Emi might be a bit short and need RH to pierce cover though

[wicked horizon]

So I'm going against them again soon, what team would you recommend?

Do note that in the image, they were 3 RL, I was 2 RL.

Or if anyone else can help.
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1177116972593463316/1388460769338986659/image.png

[keen vapor]

Scar Trina didn't work?

One could think feed gets you faster than Burst 3 at 3RL

[wicked horizon]

It's already 2RL.

Didn't try.
They were against another team.
They're usually my weaker team so I don't put them against the harder enemies. I can switch though.

Problem is, I can't check any CP or if they've switched up their teams beforehand.
The guy at 4th place who I have to beat has a bot or something, so I only have ~5 minutes to attack the 1st place before he hits me back to 6th place.

[keen vapor]

[wicked horizon]

You think Scarlet, Trina, RH, bursting faster than them, could beat them?

Because I figured Cinderella would have more damage.

Attacking snipers hit 5th pos though, yes?
Why not something like Alice or RH as B3?

If I take down everyone except Moran and Nero, surely I'd win the attrition fight?

Nevermind, Moran taunts. Nero too.

Can't even SAnis them.

[crystal flicker]

They can reach 2.5RL via CS

[wicked horizon]

Sure.

[crystal flicker]

Literally just Nuke Blanc RH ClipRL ClipRL

Someone beats me with Ein Blanc RH

Bring Siren too to stall HelmT Nuke and let your Nuke do the job

[wicked horizon]

If I take Red Hood AND Siren, I won't have any good B1 left for Scarlet's team.

[crystal flicker]

You don't have Soda?

[wicked horizon]

Not built

Think this will work?

[crystal flicker]

What's your speed

[wicked horizon]

4RL

[sleek root]

Other then Emi, the other 4 should be rocking 70% damage reduction, im guessing if they equpit tempering

[wicked horizon]

Or I could Rumani instead of Naga for 3 RL

[swift mango]

I'm at 31-19 with 33% deficit. Time to stop and wait lv441.

[wicked horizon]

I gotta send it, or I get knocked back...

[swift mango]

or may try hard for 31-29

[wicked horizon]

wtf, it force closed my replays window

Anyways, I lost, so that didn't work.

[crystal flicker]

Should've use Jackal and she'll make your comp 2.5

[wicked horizon]

She was also with Scarlet.

[crystal flicker]

Then you don't need another B1

[wicked horizon]

?

Scarlet needs help dealing damage.

Jackal doesn't buff.

[copper creek]

no scarlet?

anyway 2buff nuke
they dont have jackal, so u can even liter if u please

[wicked horizon]

Well, Siren and Blanc buffed Cindy didn't kill them, so I guess that wasn't enough of a 2-buff nuke.

[crystal flicker]

Scarlet Trina enough most of the time

[wicked horizon]

I didn't see the fight, maybe they never got to burst.

[crystal flicker]

I was about to suggest something like Jackal Nuke Blanc SirenClipRL

[copper creek]

this happened
specifically, cindy has a delay

[crystal flicker]

And I've seen RH Blanc beats Stall

[copper creek]

anyway the counter to moran/nero is always going to be either blanc, or smack it as hard as u can before nero goes off

[wicked horizon]

Why does the delay matter in this instance?

[copper creek]

because 3rl noah can block 2.1rl cindy

[wicked horizon]

What Noah?

[copper creek]

eh

point still stands, if moran+nero both pop, its your loss

its just they have more damage reduction than u can deal with, that's all

[crystal flicker]

You really should've used Jackal-Blanc, free 2.5RL

[wicked horizon]

Could've just put my Scarlet team on them at that point?

[copper creek]

.... yes????
of course???

[crystal flicker]

Scarlet Blanc

[copper creek]

the counter to moran/nero has always been
blanc
or smack harder and faster

[crystal flicker]

Nuke + Blanc, RH for guarantee or Siren for pausing Nero

[wicked horizon]

Well, I'll have time to see it fail tomorrow.
Unless the replay screen decides to close again.

[crystal flicker]

#pvp-arena message

[wicked horizon]

Emilia might be more of a problem, and thinking back at it, maybe why I lost.

Tanking 3 Emilia shots isn't easy.

[copper creek]

sending a noah/biscuit or 4rl siren was obviously asking to lose

with the 4rl siren as you said, if your siren stuns moran, congratulations, they b1->b2->helm+ burst and emilia autoattacks finish the job

[wicked horizon]

Stuns Nero?

[copper creek]

with a noah+biscuit+cindy, sure you burst in time but you deal no damage

if moran's b1 goes off and nero's b2 doesn't when siren procs, it will go to moran

[wicked horizon]

It's not a 2 RL team

Siren's stun should already have gone off before Moran bursts.

[copper creek]

opponent is 3rl

[wicked horizon]

It doesn't take 3 RL for Siren to stun.

[copper creek]

opponent is 3rl, unless emilia21 + 1 quantum - 2.5rl