pvp-arena

[coarse solstice]

Maybe switch scarlet and noah

Noah biscuit should be a hard counter to redhood

[swift mango]

Yes. My first run with random today was 1b. Then the run with union mates was 2b

[coarse solstice]

That's a great random run 🔥😯

[unkempt monolith]

I used up all my rookie arena battles for today maybe next reset

[coarse solstice]

Oh that's rookie what's your highest CP PVE team?

If you can get to around 365k you might be able to CP gap him

[shell hazel]

nah man all wrong, demons are way cooler

[unkempt monolith]

400k+ for my campaign team

[covert lintel]

There is no need to ss
It's the same winner and same team

[swift mango]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1383106058758656142/1383106743067738223/IMG_20250613_221720.jpg?ex=68600b08&is=685eb988&hm=9186525ecec73d07c2b8faad1ed32a2171b4db5dac556ab74c84368fe9691da5&

[swift mango]

Thanks

[shell hazel]

damn all core max lol

got my outfit for Raven finally 🙂

[covert lintel]

Ig he's the only one abandoned team preparation and still won

I wonder how will @raven plover counter this

[swift mango]

Hoboman won his first 2 without changing teams too.

[coarse solstice]

365k is enough to gap them try your PVE team next time

[covert lintel]

No, iirc he changed some nikke and team order

[swift mango]

But he said he only changed order and only changed team in 3rd season

[covert lintel]

The team's gimmick is still the same but changed some nikke

[swift mango]

Good for him

[raven plover]

nah I only change the team order

[solid gorge]

Yay OL all gear for my TLaplace so might be possible her 3d team wont suffer against enemies who has higher Combat Power

[high stream]

What does any of this mean?
Does this somehow tell me if I would win?

[open talon]

Anyone that could help me out with my PvP teams, feeling kinda weak and not sure what I can really change without rolling more meta units.

[feral thistle]

hello once again team building wizards, can someone tell me a good rookie team for attack and defense? also for special pvp? here are my girls

[placid bloom]

Tells you how fast you fill your burst gauge compared to your opponent just from normal attacks.

[tropic summit]

post your 3 teams and your box, we can take it from there

[oblique ridge]

Which one is you?

Nikke PvP community standardized combat speed around the frequency a typical rocket launcher fires their rockets. So 1RL means one shot from rocket launchers.

2RL with green square around it means this team will meet the minimum for 100% full burst bar after 2 rocket launcher shots.

Other things complicate it, like Jackal generating more burst energy the more bullets (and SG pellets) hit characters sharing health with Jackal.

But in this screenshot, top team should explode to bottom team's Scarlet AoE nuke without offering much resistance.

DISCLAIMER: Power deficit penalty is active in Rookie and Special arenas, top will destroy bottom if top has too much power advantage

[tropic summit]

you don't have noah correct? as i don't see her

[feral thistle]

thats correct, the little vixen evades me

got scarlet yesterday 💚

[open talon]

Any help improving this would be appriciated.

[high stream]

I'm the bottom deck .. How would I determine the max CP difference for my deck to still win?

[oblique ridge]

Do it like calculating power deficit of a stage. Enemy's power is the stage power.

You need to be below 15.4% deficit to avoid being penalized.

[high stream]

Assume you're penalized .. what then? How much CP penalty can deck building overcome?

[oblique ridge]

15.5% basically means you're destroyed unless the comp got seriously countered, like SGs all firing at an invincible defender protected by a Biscuit

It's possible to overturn it, but it quickly gets out of hand the more deficit you have

Things like Noise exploding in half a second is possible

[high stream]

Interesting .. But if you have pretty much any unit at your disposal, you could always build to counter, right? In that instance, what penalties are considered still counterable?

[oblique ridge]

As close to 15.4% as possible I don't know the specifics, but it's usually safe to say if you're at 15.4% or above, you're gg'd

[tropic summit]

go with this for now, it's not optiminal but it's what seems best you can be running

scarlet blanc rh pepper jackal
naga trina cind helmt noise
centi biscuit s.anis siren maiden

quantum on jackal, pepper
vigor on trina, biscuit, blanc, noise
s.anis resil, s.anis must be burst lvl 9 minimun, no ammo OL
rest of nikke can run any high lvl cube

build CP on nikke in second screenshot then get teams reviewed, wishlist noah obviously

[oblique ridge]

As for counters, it basically needs to do two things. One is prevent the enemy's overwhelming damage from taking out your units too easily.

The other is you in turn need to actually deal back sufficient damage somehow. Even if you counter that example SGs team, when your Cinderella nukes enemy team and they all survive... it is not going to turn out well.

[high stream]

Hmm .. I see
So even a perfect counter would have to stay as close to 15.4% as possible? Something like 20% cp differnce is generally not considered counterable?

[oblique ridge]

Right. Because the penalty climbs sharply

[high stream]

Does this mean .. within 15.4% .. whatever team bursts first .. essentially wins?

[oblique ridge]

It's not 20% deficit = 20% weaker atk. It's like 15.4% = 20% penalty and 20% = 40% penalty

Idk the specifics though

Depends, but yes. Noah blocks most rushes to AoE burst first

[high stream]

So, unless there is a Noah .. first burst wins?

[oblique ridge]

Still depends. Other units or measures can survive

Safe to say that 99% of the time a traditional situation means first burst wins especially if they're the attacker and can adjust their comp to counter the enemy

Otherwise they can just slow down their burst on purpose and still win for various reasons

[oak gale]

yk whats fked? @tropic summit
in the voting 2days ago i found that 80% of ppl were against tenshi right? so i ended up choosing against tenshi bc i wanted the win frame
but tenshi won so i lost
and i was annoyed so i decided yk what im voting for tenshi bc i found that the votes were again , 90% against him yesterday
only to see now that he won
what are ppl on dude 💀

[high stream]

I see .. hmm .. so how do I use that Nikke deck tool best to my advantage then?
From what I can tell .. it basically just calculates burst generation and thus determines which deck bursts first, right?

[high stream]

Oh, okay. I see

[oblique ridge]

So by 20%+ it's like your team is 33% weaker across the board - 33% less hp, def, atk

[covert lintel]

Oh really?

[high stream]

Yeah, it seems the window to counter is quite small.

[oblique ridge]

Yeah, Nikke Deck tool's biggest advantages are it lets you visualize team burst gen speed and also "comp multiple teams" where units become unavailable as you go about building it.

While not perfect, it's still very useful and far better than not having it at all. Though some of us still use the spreadsheets tool approach instead

[feral thistle]

thanks boss, will run it, appreciate it

[raven plover]

yea 2nd season was end of april

[feral thistle]

also, what about def and attack on rookie?

[signal hull]

In continuation of our yesterday's discussion, if you're curious, (enemy Jackal/Noah/Bisc/HelmT/RH with huge CP advantage) my idea of Moran/Noah/Biscuit/HelmT/RH worked. Too well in fact. Three cheers for Moran! The gurl be tankin' somewhat fierce.

[tropic summit]

hmm you don't have much to go with, although you can make 2 4RL teams and 1 3RL

jackal rouge cindy n102 centi
drake ein rrh blanc anis
crown alice sugar neon anchoriIM

[oblique ridge]

Oh and if you didn't realize yet, for unused units, they're in burst gen order descending.

So it helps a lot with letting you see what your fastest burst gen options are (before OLs and cubes are involved).

[tropic summit]

can run this

[open talon]

Yea I was struggling with it. Was trying to make 1st team just High CP, then the other two knock off versions of meta teams. I'll give this a try and see how it goes.

[tropic summit]

ye that's a decent approach, atm running padded/campaign teams is a better option if your meta teams are tanking too harshly in CP

also aim for 4RL over 3RL until you've more batteries and pvp core units

[open talon]

@tropic summit So did you leave the quantum cubes empty because they need to be or can I just throw some stuff on them?

[tropic summit]

keep in mind ppl are running those votes also to get that losing frame, so some are stacked on purpose

[tropic summit]

you can throw them on if they allow you to hit middle thresholds (3.5RL for example) or on jackal teams batteries

[open talon]

Not gonna pretend I know what that means, but I'll give er a shot

[tropic summit]

use this to mess around with your teams and notice if you can hit thresholds via quantum
https://nikke-deck.web.app/

in general quantum is useful on jackal linked nikkes (and jackal herself especially) or on teams you can hit thresholds with

[feral thistle]

you rock

[oak gale]

it was working the entire season why now of all times

[tropic summit]

@open talon this should help you understand

[high stream]

But you wouldn't want to just pick whatever has highest burst gen, right? There are more factors than that .. that make a PvP unit SSS tier I would assume? Otherwise best B2 options are Rem, Flora, Elegg, Diesel .. lol

[tropic summit]

notice how quantumless noah in that team only hits 3RL, but give quantum to noah and it's suddenly 1 threshold ahead, 2RL

[high stream]

Wait .. is it in order descending? Cause Helm+ is at the bottom .. wouldn't this mean its order ascending?

[oblique ridge]

That seems wrong. Rem? Flora? Elegg? Diesel?

[high stream]

I think I'm confusing myself

[open talon]

I'll give it all a good read, thanks for the help. ❤️

[oblique ridge]

This is odd, it's reversed compared to what I usually see. Yeah, yours is for some reason Ascending

[high stream]

Uhh .. how do I fix this, lol. That sucks

[oblique ridge]

I have no idea, I looked around and don't see a setting to reverse the order. Did you refresh the page?

[high stream]

I did. What the heck.

[oblique ridge]

Maybe it reversed it because of language settings?

[high stream]

Opening it in a different browser shows it correctly .. what

[open talon]

Okay want some more advice on my Rookie team this time.
3RL was the old team, 2RL is the new one. Not sure if I've balanced the team right, but its a first attempt.

[oblique ridge]

It depends on purpose. Defense team?

[tropic summit]

realistically at your synch you want your rookie team to be high on CP

most ppl will be running their campaign team

and will have nearly 0 invest in pvp core units

unless those units also happen to be pve core

(RH, SBS, Cindy, helmT)

[oblique ridge]

Yeah. It’s because if the campaign team overwhelms the pvp team’s power, the pvp team just gets crushed

This disparity is easy to achieve for new players too

[tropic summit]

either way 1st team, on the left, is a non natural 2RL via feed (95% can hit 2RL easily even with low feed enemy teams)
2nd team loses a lot of potential, no indom and no aoe nuke for the tradeoff of being natural 2RL

1st team as such remains far more threat than right

[oblique ridge]

And as a defense team, it’s very easily countered by an invincible p1 character like Centi + Biscuit can cause

[open talon]

Hmmm

Yea guess I just have a lot to learn, I'll probably just stick to the CP padded team, but a the top of the rookie ranks I'm either even or under their CP so I gotta figure something out.

I just really don't have enough PvP units sadly.

[tropic summit]

that's fine you're in early game, focus on pve and progress, once you've leeway (generally after having campaign team and kraken team done) then you can afford spending on pvp

[open talon]

What about this?

At the moment my campaign team is similar CP since my sync levels are even at the moment.

[serene orbit]

Counter?

[tropic summit]

there's several approaches for this one

1. you can force helmT to be burst while emi gets indommed, what happens is that you make them waste B3 and then a relatively mild emi to kill after 10s
2. rosanna eats alive both emi and helmt, due to ele weak
3. a slower noah team to catch nuke then outsustain, enemy team is 2RL so you can run 3RL

T1 noah in p5 is used as flex taunt, it can be anything as long as you stay 2RL or 3RL and it is not an attacker, although i guess you could run a mihara to be killed and get her to deal DoT
T2 centi is expected to be stunned, your B2 here is going to be trina, right after rosanna bursting followed by scarlet
T3 the logic is explained above, maxwell is flex unit passive buffer, team needs to remain 3RL

examples (from top to bottom as for the points above)

[crystal flicker]

What is deficits?

[tropic summit]

wait till they unleash their hidden weapon, 💳

[serene orbit]

thank you very much for explanation + examples, trying to work on understanding pvp after avoiding for 2 years lol

[crystal flicker]

You missing thousands of gems

[quick lake]

That was me too

[serene orbit]

i stay around c6-c10 rn, could max at c4 but i decided to try taking it one day and he attacked to get spot back within 20 minutes every time throughout the whole day and i cba with that

and i did take the spot like 10x in the day just to see if he'd keep going lol

[open talon]

@tropic summitI don't fully understand what I'm doing, but I'm now rank 1 in my Rookie league thanks to all the info you gave me.

[umbral crown]

Some SGs for CA

[swift mango]

You only need drakeT and noir

[tropic summit]

you probably understood a bit if you doing well though, keep it up, you can learn a lot over time anyway, no rush

[signal hull]

wait what about maid soda? 😒

[umbral crown]

Congrats

Or just use x mica

[umbral crown]

[calm gull]

@swift mango did you win your CA?

[quick lake]

he did

[eager mountain]

[tropic summit]

🍿

[umbral belfry]

@shell hazel 25-18 is so bad

no more mald for today

[quartz rover]

How does my odds look?

[tropic summit]

enemy teams have very bad burst gen, while you're using properly built teams, CP is in range, you should be fine

[quartz rover]

Asking mainly cause I've never seen these nikke in pvp

[tropic summit]

ye those are bad teams

looks like teams made by auto or bots

[quartz rover]

Oh, this was a waste of time asking. There was no chance

What would power range be anyway

Like can I take on someone with 10k more

[tropic summit]

multiply enemy team CP for 0.846 and you find out the minimun requirement to not be hit by penality

even 15,3% penality can be handled, anything past then needs biscuit or jackal

[quartz rover]

I've got biscuit

Didn't wanna bug blood everytime I got a new nikke

[tropic summit]

that's fine, make him work

else he gets rusty

[quartz rover]

I've got a siren and a biscuit since then

Not sure if former is so good in pvp though

Is max amount of ranks per battle 30?

Well, position

[tropic summit]

in sp arena or rookie

[quartz rover]

Sp

[eager mountain]

Bricked acc alert

[tropic summit]

just climb to challanger

[crystal flicker]

CA Final basically Rei simp vs Raven simp lmao

[quartz rover]

I don't think im bricked?

[tropic summit]

it depends on whether you made the account and stopped for some time, at any point

as long as you played daily and regularly progressed, you shouldn't be bricked

[quartz rover]

I've not missed a day since unlocking sp

[tropic summit]

sounds good then

[eager mountain]

No, I played daily and even whaled a bit and is 581+ and still bricked and got cp gapped cuz it’s jp

[tropic summit]

oh right, le whels

relatable, my leviathan is well above 75+ levels difference

[quartz rover]

I could easily take some positions from top 10 too

[tropic summit]

you should, push as far as you can

[crystal flicker]

Send your top 1-3 cp

[eager mountain]

I’m coming to Italy, recommend me some restaurants, i trust locals taste more so then Americans

[tropic summit]

depends on where, north or south italy?

[eager mountain]

North… well more like not south

[tropic summit]

and what city

[eager mountain]

So far planned going to… rome florence Venice

[quartz rover]

As long as you don't use tiktok for locations youre fine

[tropic summit]

hmm good choices, although rome has gotten worse over the years, venice depending where you go may smell a bit, florence overall cannot fail

[eager mountain]

Not bricked, top 4 for ca can be tough

[tropic summit]

in general rome prices are high but the quality should meet the price

venice is decent price x quality

[quartz rover]

Looks like it yeah

[crystal flicker]

Get rank 3/4

[fiery walrus]

Don't play for a month and you will be bricked pvp wise lol

[quartz rover]

Top 2 definitely whaled, they had that much power when I even unlocked sp

[eager mountain]

Humm, it got worse in what sense, like what is happening in paris rn?

[quartz rover]

If all goes well tomorrow reset I can get a place in the top 10 and farm the chips

[eager mountain]

won’t recommend investing on PvP yet, ur sync should prioritize only campaign

Higher cd higher cp

[quartz rover]

I've been using my credits on my tuition, I have a ton of sync spots rn

Well not TON but 7 open rn and probably more if I can squeeze some more deficit story levels

[eager mountain]

By sync I mean nik level not sync slot tho that’s also highly demanding for PvP slots lol

[tropic summit]

yeah sort of, more chaotic, more unclean, less friendly and more expensive

[quartz rover]

Im working at -17k power deficit

[eager mountain]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1177116972593463316/1333630505270382593/1026322546934698004.gif

[tropic summit]

it's still worth visiting though

you shouldn't have a bad time

[quartz rover]

So basically a tourist trap?

I say this because I live in Florida

[tropic summit]

strictly depends where you go, most typical touristic spots are still ok

since they know they need to at least keep those clean

[eager mountain]

So kinda like LA

Except they don’t have rooftop Koreans there in rome

[crystal flicker]

Rail is French 🥖

[quartz rover]

Shift up is in your walls

[eager mountain]

I thought he said he’s Italian, how would a French speak English?

[spiral onyx]

https://youtu.be/7jFqYG_6w5Y?si=urp_3M1SsObD9RzE

[tropic summit]

nah i don't speak baguette

[tropic summit]

exactly, although a few exceptions like Ryo sometimes happen

[umbral crown]

[peak jungle]

ez win?
(team below is atker)

[tropic summit]

no sustain scarlet against double buff emilia on same RL is generally win for emilia

as noah shield is down when emi's nuke is launched

[peak jungle]

yeah im worried if Rosanna have enough dmg can kill 2 b3, if so should be an ez win

[sleek imp]

how is my P1 dying this fast

vid starts 29 sec

[raven plover]

[tropic summit]

rumani is dolless, is she even overloaded on chest and head?

let alone you're letting her tank cindy + scarlet

[tropic summit]

20-30% atk and a bit of ele attack should melt any water code

[sleek imp]

Noo- 0doll + OL

[tropic summit]

there you go...

[sleek imp]

I didnt know that duo actually shreds P1, but yeah I manage to beaat it w the scar comp

[jolly maple]

🧱 didn't know I miss to put a doll

it's fine I'm still platinum

[eager mountain]

So just any restaurant that’s “highly rated”, no local hacks, or it won’t work there cuz I’m not Italian

[sleek imp]

omg you are back

[umbral crown]

[jolly maple]

I finally break rei's rookie def
scar blanc rosanna helmt jackal
after around 20 attempts

time to change your def

[umbral crown]

Was a hard defense that took 20 tries

[eager mountain]

just hop in a yap a bit so that I can become green before rail turns red.
Don’t think u were one of the regulars here tho, guess my spam is doing magic

[sleek imp]

20

[jolly maple]

more like burnt cook on my part

4 days of red why not

[umbral crown]

Uwu

[sleek imp]

I remember you helping me in Team building before, I was sync 70 when I met you

[umbral crown]

[sleek imp]

then I begin to yap in this server 25/7

[umbral crown]

Now sopa is 140

[eager mountain]

oh well, ur already plat

[umbral belfry]

sopa growing up

[umbral crown]

[eager mountain]

Jesus christ

[sleek imp]

backward

[eager mountain]

I swear I yapped quite a bit for a while and yet I’m still silver

[vague slate]

yapping champion

[sleek imp]

I just hit plat today

[umbral crown]

[tropic summit]

forever silver

need to yap more about your JPN server adventures

[tropic summit]

i hope i never turn red, it would be a reminder of time ~~wasted ~~invested on this server

[sleek imp]

omg rosy I just realised what your pfp is

I see two great reason for me to invest my Rosanna now

[unique mountain]

[umbral crown]

max skill, max doll, 40 atk , some ele and crit and you are done

[sleek imp]

Is that the minimum investment

[umbral crown]

yes

[quick lake]

Rosanna is for the pvp-er

[keen vapor]

[sleek imp]

On Prywden she doesnt seem to have strict OL/Dolls requirement, but I always see people talk about how hard she is to feed

in this channel only too

[keen vapor]

Funny how this was supposed to be a sad expression

[unique mountain]

[quick lake]

Yeah, its mostly a recommendation from the pvp-ers in this channel

Prydwen not as pvp focused

[keen vapor]

Sad Anne

[sleek imp]

I see

[spiral onyx]

Anyone have a lvl 12 cube and can share how many slots it gives?

[strong hull]

[strong hull]

8 slots

[crystal flicker]

Don't have, but my sheet says 8

[umbral crown]

lv12 should not give any slot since lv11 gives 8 and lv13 10 slots

Lv13 and lv15 the levels which gonna give you slots

[strong hull]

damn that crazy

[umbral crown]

something normal, you know

quatum is also lv11

[fast jetty]

ok i finally got scarlet at lv377, what should my sp arena team be?

got moran/drake totally not leveled

[quick lake]

Can check pins for teams for more teams

Scar Trina laplace xmaiden Jackal
Noah Centi Cindy THelm Noise
Blanc SBS Biscuit Siren Naga

Invest in Noah/Centi/xMaiden

[fast jetty]

Thanks!

pin is .. a lot of teams, i dont know why one is better than another

investing is to get to OL and some charge speed /some ele / some skills?

[quartz rover]

If I keep beating #1 in beginner will he get knocked back so far he needs to use gems to recoup?

[crystal flicker]

Think you should make tier for each combination

[placid bloom]

I think Rapi B1 is bugged in PvP, I'm getting no B1

[crystal flicker]

I don't think you can beat C1 from beginner

You can however spend gems to beat those AIs and reach C4, which will be able to attack C1

[quartz rover]

oh I mean in the regular arena

my c1 and c2 are 2x power of everyone in the seed

[crystal flicker]

Rookie or SP?

[quartz rover]

in sp, rookie i'm 1

[crystal flicker]

Yeah SP they either whaling or they progress campaign so fast and opened those resource boxes

[quartz rover]

like i'm at 15-2? 16-2? but i've opened no boxes

[crystal flicker]

How many days

[quartz rover]

I don't remember

[crystal flicker]

Someone can clear up to CH17 within 3 days

They're insane though

[quartz rover]

5

[crystal flicker]

Yeah, they might be insane pusher

If you're deep under deficits and can't push through campaign, you should open boxes

[quartz rover]

I'm 15k in deficit

[crystal flicker]

Just open enough to allow you pass the campaign

[quartz rover]

I can probably do it

without boxes

[crystal flicker]

Depend on your comp, you can keep pushing up to 35% deficits

For normal player that is

[quartz rover]

yeah I just beat it

some stages just seem cheap

my team would probably be higher than 100 if I wasn't trying to get my education (the academy)

[crystal flicker]

Academy priority yeh

[sleek imp]

If crown+rh, 41+ is possible

[crystal flicker]

Ofc, 49% also possible

Usually youtube malder push until 44% deficits though

[quartz rover]

I don't have crown, do have some nutty nikke though. Feel like I couldn't go this high if I didn't have rh or rrh

They feel like cheat codes, especially in the level set ex missions

[placid bloom]

hmm tried Rapi B1 twice, both time I couldn't burst

[crystal flicker]

Crown still irreplacable imo for low clear high deficits

[quick lake]

Hmmm

[sleek imp]

Just go to sleep at that point, 49% is just 1 dmg

[crystal flicker]

RH too if you can straight attack the boss

[sleek imp]

Pvp?

[quartz rover]

I experienced that doing hard mode

[placid bloom]

yeah PvP, I was using her against CP pad team

[quartz rover]

Idk how you guys get to high chapters in it, chapter 3 is nuts

[sleek imp]

Was redhood not an option for you?

[crystal flicker]

You know I did that one 49.9% deficits run

[sleek imp]

Wait what

[placid bloom]

I don't have RH

[sleek imp]

No way

what are you sayibg

[crystal flicker]

#strategy message

[placid bloom]

why would I have good chars

[sleek imp]

Wait like fr? This whole time you mald without rh too?

[sleek imp]

How long did that took you?

[crystal flicker]

wdym how long

[sleek imp]

To complete and clear that stage

[crystal flicker]

RH > Crown > RH solved almost everything

[sleek imp]

Damn, precisely hitting 49 defict is a real challenge too

[placid bloom]

but yeah seem like my Rapi getting scammed out of B1

[crystal flicker]

Idk, I just try to get as high as possible

[placid bloom]

I tried it twice so it can't be one time issue

[crystal flicker]

Fixed:

• Raven damage

Broken:

• ScarBS animation cancel
• Ein true damage gone
• Rapipi B1 PvP gone

lmao

[placid bloom]

oh wait, does Rosanna dispel Rapi passive to become B1

that's kinda crazy

I didn't know it can be dispelled

I'm skill issue

[crystal flicker]

That's like saying Rosa can dispell Cindy's shield

[quick lake]

[placid bloom]

it is actually dispelled, the icon not there anymore her other 2 passive gone too, probably only kept the iron code passive because Helm buff got dispelled

I never knew Rosanna counter Rapi B1 CP pad team

[upper grove]

Rapi finally not op

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/toletole-cat-lockin-gif-12000667884327844099

lol yeah this stage was .. something.
I found that RH B1 => RH B3 initial bit was king, you can cover rest and just shoot with RH to kill the various artillery units.
Need to Rapi B3 asap for the silencers that drop right after

if you can beat this I think rest of 25 is simple enough, some annoying stages in 26 await

oh I actually recorded my run of it lol! abuse the pause tech
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1jGfsWW-P8

[brittle oasis]

Wait, we got Ein true damage bug now? How?

[fiery parcel]

What is rapipi b1 bug?

[brittle oasis]

Maybe its not bug
Rapipi cant B1 because Rosa dispelled her buff which change her to B1

[fiery parcel]

Oo

[oblique ridge]

Holy smokes

Rapi got spanked by mommy Rosanna

[crystal flicker]

https://discord.com/channels/946719263866101821/1387117456912289823

[full citrus]

Whats the best pvp team?

[quick lake]

Pins

No best teams. We make do

[torn oxide]

hello guys can so help me build some pvp team (im an pve player)

[covert lintel]

Simply level up your sync until at least 40lv diff with your opponent and any of your pvp team will be the best team you are looking for

[quick lake]

Refer to teams in Pins

[crystal flicker]

^ Scarlet Trina, Cindy 2RL, Emilia
That should be enough for C10 and higher, unless you against whale ofc

[swift mango]

Yes

[swift mango]

Could use any clip SG, not actually need her. Peeps used her because they invested in her for SR.

[crystal flicker]

Ooo Blood CA master, plz gimme position suggestion

[swift mango]

Raven isn't good for Arena though.

[swift mango]

What if XMica RNG removes Noah debuff instead of Siren?

[crystal flicker]

Another season, another data

[swift mango]

Just close your brain and shuffle. That was what I did.

[calm gull]

ayy congrats on 2nd time champ

[crystal flicker]

Tbh the very reason I lost this season is because investment issue

[swift mango]

Thanks

[covert lintel]

What's nero need for stat line other than def?

[swift mango]

Though

[crystal flicker]

Atk?

[covert lintel]

You really need to get reshuffled into my ca group

[swift mango]

Watch Fah12 got his 4th champ in a round just by using the same teams from Hobo.

[calm gull]

oh its the 3rd time

[crystal flicker]

Lost because Nero cooldown

[unique mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/beast-boy-four-finger-meme-gif-26429572

[swift mango]

I think your CA group and my CA group are the 2 less competitive groups amongst the 4.

The repeated Champs all came from ours.

[calm gull]

the one thats competitive is which? hoboman's?

[unique mountain]

Fahrenheit one

[swift mango]

Wait, do you no longer play or move to another server?

[calm gull]

I am playing on my alt now, ditch my main ||due to 🧱 ||

[unique mountain]

Challenger yapper rin wutdahell

[swift mango]

Me and Mystichy same CA.

Arbkam is Hobo. And the rank 4 also in his CA who copied his last season teams and kept using it to win 2 seasons.

[calm gull]

yeppers

[unique mountain]

I remember back when u were gold

[crystal flicker]

SAnis ftw

[calm gull]

right, he forgot to change the team but still won

[swift mango]

Why fix something that works.

Hobo also won 2 seasons with same teams.

[covert lintel]

Ready

[calm gull]

thats liek wut, 6 months ago

[crystal flicker]

Need more ATK

She has ATK buff that scales to her own ATK

[wicked horizon]

What the hell is the Nero Moran Helm team...

[crystal flicker]

You shouldn't run Cindy against Stall #pvp-arena message

[wicked horizon]

If burst doesn't beat stall, what does? 🤔

[crystal flicker]

Blanc RH

The only reliable way

[wicked horizon]

Reliable and Blanc don't go in the same sentence.

She may be lucky, but who she indoms is not.

[crystal flicker]

Who said anything about Indom

You just need her DMG Taken buff

[wicked horizon]

Why are we running Blanc then?

[crystal flicker]

RH B1 + DPS will wipe the rest

[crystal flicker]

Blanc is natural counter for Moran

[swift mango]

It's hard for you to compete in SEA because we only have 4 CA....

They needed to make a 5th CA if they wanted new accounts under 1 year old to compete in CA....

[calm gull]

right, the highest I can go is around top 32/16

[swift mango]

They already use bots.... So they should have cut off CA by account creation every 6 months rather than just forcing players of over 1.5 years into one last bracket.

[wicked horizon]

I would rather lose than win against bots.

It's not like there's any real rewards anyways.

[calm gull]

or just merge SEA and HMT together

[swift mango]

Well, an account of 3 months old isn't much different than bots to me.

[wicked horizon]

Well give it a year, and it'll be a year and 3 months old.

With time, everyone will get a chance at being the older player.

[swift mango]

But then I would be 2 years 3 months old. And still much more invested in arena than them.

I speak this to give them a competitive chance.

[wicked horizon]

You may be, but then another like you will have quit, and a new 3 month player will have taken their place.

[calm gull]

its hard to speak about catching up in this game tbh

[wicked horizon]

I've played a gacha game with worse catch-up mechanics where I joined more than 2 years late, and still ended up in the top 50 players, simply because I didn't quit the game in years.

You don't need to catch up, you need to not stop playing.
Older players will leave.

[swift mango]

Maybe those game have more power creep that makes old units obsolete so you could catch up easier.

[wicked horizon]

Nope.
They had unit combine mechanics, so every time they released a new tier, the old players with tons of units just combined everything and got the new tier of units.

[swift mango]

This game needs too much investment and little resource gain... Maybe only if 3 year old vs 4 years old account do they have the competitive chance.

[wicked horizon]

And the main income was regular events, which awarded based on leaderboard position.

[swift mango]

Those game you often could just buy your way in. Or have different brackets of the leader board. Or just have a new server created often and older servers being dead.

[wicked horizon]

Buy, yes.
But no, it didn't get new servers or different brackets.

Anyways, it's a different game.
I joined Nikke 1.5 years late, bricked myself by taking a month-long break at the start, and I've been steadily climbing both SR and PvP rankings each month. 🤷

[swift mango]

Being top 50 in a dead server is nothing much...

I used to be top 1-2 in a half dead server in Rise of Kingdom, a heavily whale game but only spent little.

[wicked horizon]

That's my point though.

Just outlast the playerbase.

[swift mango]

There is no dead server in Nikke.

[wicked horizon]

Doesn't matter, there's still player rotation.

[tropic summit]

🍿

[wicked horizon]

People leave regardless, the only difference between a dying and a not-dying game is whether new players join.

If anything, the games that are not dying make you progress faster in terms of percentages, because the new players bump up your ranking percentage.

Again, just because you're not quitting, doesn't mean others aren't.

[swift mango]

That works in SR I guess. But not much so in Arena.

[wicked horizon]

It works in Arena.

If there's only one bracket, it works the same as SR.

If there's more than 1 bracket, then as the brackets above you thin out, you move ahead in your bracket until you reach the top part.

If they work as I think they do.

In fact, if they work as you said like, splitting people into groups of 6 months, then you don't have that much of a chance at catching up, because no new players boost you up.

[swift mango]

Yeah, it's work that way. Just SEA has a low population. So the bracket don't really shuffle often as other servers.

We have 2, day one to 1 month old bracket.

1 x up to 1 year old bracket.

1 x for the rest.

It may takes years for that process you said.

[wicked horizon]

It may.
It's slow progress, slower the longer people stay.
But keep playing, and you'll only go up.

[swift mango]

🍙

[tropic summit]

🍰

[swift mango]

🍉

[tropic summit]

🍜

[wicked horizon]

I'm just struggling against this guy probably literally botting.

Any time of the day I attack, he's back at me in less than 10 minutes.

I doubt the report system will do anything. 😔

[swift mango]

🍫

[tropic summit]

[swift mango]

One day I would join day one bracket and struggle with 1.5 year investment difference. But for now, this is enough, like Rapi said in current event.

[tropic summit]

you might be playing a better game by then don't worry

[swift mango]

I still doing daily in Honkai 10 mins a day.

Maybe I should rethinking what to do.

[tropic summit]

that's dedication

you do what gives you fun/satisfication, if you didn't burn out yet on that, keep it up

[swift mango]

2 mins for each account.

[tropic summit]

each account?

[swift mango]

Glad I waited for 14 hours before I did the 2 quick claims to avoid the worst case of 0 rock today.

[unique mountain]

[umbral crown]

Then the movie starts

[swift mango]

I doubt the doctor has a chance.

To squeeze into this biggest Lesbo ship of Arknight

[worthy knoll]

Its not rng, first debuff always cleanse. So its either the stun didn't happen yet and XMica bursted first removing her on entry debuff something bubble or stun happened already means a new debuff exploding bubble, then its Noah debuff which will be removed

[swift mango]

Thanks.

[swift mango]

Max core max invested Cindy.

[crystal flicker]

Against Maxxed Stall

[swift mango]

It's harder to have maxed invested 5 units in a stall teams than just Noise and maxed Cindy.

[crystal flicker]

It's harder to get C7 Cindy

[swift mango]

Easier than C7 Rapu.

[eager mountain]

based on how fast u ranked up, u should be red pretty soon

[swift mango]

He didn't chat here much for a month

[swift mango]

Yeah, you need level 60 to be red.

Just check the level 60 and level 59 guys to know.

[swift mango]

I was like 50 ranks lower than Rail before he became less active

[crystal flicker]

You just yap more than him

avg 23K messages and 220K exp for lv60

[swift mango]

He yap less ever since CA s1 over.

[crystal flicker]

He lost his hopes

Maybe he'll yap more if they add more stuffs to CA

[swift mango]

Guess I found mine.

[high stream]

@tropic summit Hey buddy, u helped me build like 3 teams in the past, not sure u remember. Others in here also helped me a lot, recently and I've been building towards a more serious PvP approach. These are my 3 current teams, 2 as advised .. third is auto.
I'd also like your input, since I respect your opinion and help a lot. I'm also still struggling to catch up in CP ..
If we go by the Prydwen PvP Tierlist .. I have pretty much all meta units at this point except .. Emilia, ASS, Noise, Rapunzel, Laplace+, Ice Rose, AMF
In case u would make any changes.

[crystal flicker]

How many ammo your Scarlet has?

[high stream]

I've been farming Ultra since I unlocked AI .. but no luck on helmets for Scarlet or SBS so far. My plan was to get helmets for all first, cause biggest ATK impact. Scarlet has been especially unlucky. Meanwhile my Centi looks like this.

Keep in mind .. my account is 3 months old. But I'm doing what I can.

[crystal flicker]

Do your coop

Buy gear selector from that

[high stream]

I have. Currently in the top 100

Waiting for payout

[crystal flicker]

Drake pass also gave you 3 selector

[high stream]

I used them for campaign team first. My campaign team is full 10/10/10 and almost full OL.

So don't scold me

I was told to prioritize campaign team over all else

[crystal flicker]

You shouldn't fell behind that much if you never go inactive for a long time

What's your C3 sync

[high stream]

I think I pretty much managed my account perfectly .. but there is still quite the CP gap. And the top 7 have some insane CP I honestly just cant explain.

I'm even pushing 33% deficit as we speak in campaign

I'm like limit breaking every aspect of this game as much as I can.

[high stream]

C3 sync? I dont know that term

[crystal flicker]

That just full OL

[high stream]

So .. what? Are they just luckier than me?

[crystal flicker]

Rank 1 is a whale

[crystal flicker]

Yeah, gear gacha wise

[high stream]

I can only reach stage 4 in AI right now and I was told at my CP, that is already above the norm.
Stage 5 is far away, I would need like twice my current damage

Stage 5 is almost the same damage requirement as stage 1 - 4

[crystal flicker]

This was me with 244 sync

[high stream]

I'm currently level 224

Like .. am I actually doing anything wrong? Kinda feels like u're putting me down or something for not doing good enough

I'm not sure what to do better

[crystal flicker]

700K is normal for full OL comp at 221

[high stream]

I don't have full OL 😐 nowhere near that ..

And I've been farming AI every day since I unlocked it

[crystal flicker]

Yeah, your biggest issue only that

[high stream]

But I've been farming AI every day

[crystal flicker]

That just rng, took me 3 months to get my first Pilgrim Defender shoes

[high stream]

Out of my 15 PvP nikke .. here is the OL piece count in order from left to right of each team ..

Team 1: 1, 0, 3, 4, 2
Team 2: 1, 4, 4, 1, 3
Team 3: 0, 4, 4, 2, 3

[crystal flicker]

Then that's your issue, dolls too

[high stream]

Only 3 Nikke out of my 15 PvP Nikke don't have at least blue doll.

All Dolls are Stage 15

[covert lintel]

Nope this is not final atk so we need to increase her base atk not OL stat

[high stream]

Skills are all 4/4/4 minimum. Core units are at optimal investment .. including Scarlet and Cindy at 10/7/10

Should I like .. maybe start rotating AI bosses each day?

[crystal flicker]

Are you sure about that

[covert lintel]

Try ask other veteran the difference of caster atk and final atk

[crystal flicker]

It's waiting game, just do the one that's you need

[high stream]

But what if I farm another month without dropping a damn scarlet helmet. Wont that hold back my total CP by a lot?

[crystal flicker]

[crystal flicker]

I used to data what's equipment that I need the most, and farm that one

[high stream]

How do you do that?

[crystal flicker]

I have spreadsheets and input their data manually

[vague slate]

Ayyy we getting pascal

Little burst gen robot

[high stream]

Oh .. like, is that something you coded purely for yourself? Or is it an existing resource?

[bleak shale]

There's never been an atk buff that uses ATK overload, ATK overload is basically an additive self buff

U can get base ATK from gear levels/dolls/lb/core/advise or levels

ATK dmg is actually a damage up bracket and not ATK increasing, final ATK is actually not a buff at all but ATK conversion to dmg #

[crystal flicker]

I made it myself

You can try ask @shell hazel for his copies

[crystal flicker]

Yeh I know that one, I need to revise my dmg calc a bit though
Thanks!

[crystal flicker]

#pvp-arena message
Something like this

[high stream]

I honestly just want to do better and keep up.
I feel like I've done so well and everyone kept telling me how insane my account is for being only 2-3 months old with no money spent
But I can't seem to keep up with the PvP.
And it sucks .. because before this bracket change .. I was Rank 1 in Rookie Arena and Rank 3 in SP arena .. and then bracket change into a bracket with people somehow 200K CP higher than me
It almost felt like I was moved into a bracket of accounts a lot older than me

[crystal flicker]

Did you finish your Drake pass?

That thing will help you with doll investment, unlocking HelmT and DrakeT

Both of them are usable in PvP, so they definitely helps your CP

[high stream]

Yes, I have. I mean .. this is my account. I have finished HelmT and DrakeT as well.

[crystal flicker]

No OL too?

[high stream]

HelmT has her helmet from Ultra at least, nothing else. DrakeT also has her helmet.
I've been trying to get Pilgrim Helmets, especially SBS for her Campaign team.
But I'm getting all helmets except Pilgrim Helmets.

[crystal flicker]

Tbh just data what gear you need the most, and try to farm it

[high stream]

How do I know what i need most? Just by amount of pieces missing? Like .. for example I have 20 Nikke that need chest, but only 5 Nikke that need helmet .. so I farm chest?

Or is there an order .. like u want helmet first, then arm, then chest, etc.

[crystal flicker]

This what I did, so my progress won't get stuck because 1 gear

[high stream]

Makes sense .. should probably do that, sigh.

[crystal flicker]

Keep in mind, you can win any fight with enough CP

Eventhough you have garbage team, you'll win if you have 30% higher CP than opponent

[high stream]

I saw that even 20% higher CP in PvP makes it almost impossible to win, even with a perfect counter

It's a 40% stat difference
I was told the only thing saving u there is invincibility .. but u also need to do enough damage to even kill the other team

[crystal flicker]

Also for attack, often times Scarlet Trina RH is better

[high stream]

RH instead of Siren?

[crystal flicker]

Yes

I beat 20% deficit with that

[high stream]

And who replaces RH here then?

Just whatever is highest CP?

[crystal flicker]

Yes, that's the only purpose for CP pad team

[tropic summit]

T1 and T2 look fine, T3 being a CP pad team is a good option if you cannot run a strong meta team, you should post your box to see if there's something else that could be done

nvm i see you posted it here
#pvp-arena message

[high stream]

@tropic summit Hey! Current Box is here .. Also had quite the convo with @crystal flicker since I sent that message to you about OL gear .. and CP stuff.

[crystal flicker]

I'd slot that Rapipi to Cindy team for more CP

Slower sure, but you will get more cp

[tropic summit]

yeah no... that's giving a big assist to the opponents

from 2RL anti nuke to a 3RL scarlet weak team + feed

[crystal flicker]

You assume that bracket understand 2RL

[tropic summit]

even if he does get extra CP on that, scarlet on 15-20% deficit can still wipe

[high stream]

A big issue I've noticed since shifting to a more meta approach for PvP is .. my first team is getting to the point where it can beat everything that is within a 15.4% CP difference .. my second team can't beat s### .. and my third team, despite being the CP padder, loses to other CP padders.

[tropic summit]

doesn't matter, we don't give bad tips now do we

[high stream]

@tropic summit My current issue I observed

[crystal flicker]

I used to run Crown in PvP early days and got C1

You won't win anyway if you're under too much deficits

[tropic summit]

your second team is a 2RL anti nuke, if you throw it at a 2RL indom or a 2RL stall/sustain it will lose

attack is dependant on what you facing

[tropic summit]

depends what you call high deficit, 18-24% is winnable and you know it

[high stream]

Hold on

[tropic summit]

subbing a rumani for a RRH is hardly gonna make deficit go past 25%

[crystal flicker]

Not with Cindy comp

[tropic summit]

cindy does not block scarlet double buffed nuke on 3RL

as i've been dealing with that easily against my whels

[crystal flicker]

You shouldn't assume new bracket to have the same amount of knowledge as you

[high stream]

Take this as an example .. @tropic summit
This is the current Rank 9
I can beat his first team. My second team just lacks CP, despite having a lot of OL pieces .. and my third team is one of the highest CP teams in this bracket, even among the top 10 .. but it loses
So in this fight, I only beat Team 1
And I observe this with most fights I do. Despite my third team being one of the highest CP teams in the entire bracket, it loses and loses and loses.

[tropic summit]

you're assuming a whole lot tho

then again to each their own opinions

i'd prefer teaching meta than teaching how to avoid pvp by gating with CP

that's not pvp, just avoiding it

[crystal flicker]

I prefer to win

[tropic summit]

[high stream]

No need to argue .. instead, help me <:

[tropic summit]

those enemy teams allow you a decent amount of freedom on how to deal with them, they are extremely slow

[tropic summit]

that's not an argument, I've known hoshi since months and respect his knowledge, just different opinions

[high stream]

I do have some quantum cubes .. I could also push quantum cube to level 6 I think

I'm honestly very unsure about cubes in PvP, I just put whatever the tierlist suggests

[tropic summit]

also unlinked scarlet in T3, you really shouldn't be having issues

[vague slate]

solid account focus, im jealous of your wasuka

[tropic summit]

here's a tip

T1 skip
T2 easy matchup, p1 defender + biscuit then just flex it out, you can be 4RL so pad it out
T3 you can run mirror scarlet with jackal, abusing the fact they don't run it on their own, it will result in liter, blanc and scarlet suiciding against you, also preventing them from burst cuz they lose their only B1, then you're also indommed, free

[high stream]

Okay .. let me see I understand this, cause u using a lot of lingo there
I just put my worst team against his Team 1 and lose on purpose .. then I put Noah/Biscuit + 3 highest CP for 2nd fight ..
And then I use my meta scarlet Team 1 against his team 3 ..
?

[tropic summit]

FULL example just in case you still confused

[crystal flicker]

You can compare your Scarlet with his, and you'll see the Doll difference

[high stream]

His Scarlet has a purple doll, mine doesnt

[tropic summit]

yeah but read carefully what i typed for T3, that's the important bit in this matchup, cuz T2 is a no brainer

what you missed in this matchup, in my opinion, is picking correctly the 2 enemy worst teams, then make a strategy around that, considering CP, speed and counters

[high stream]

My Blanc is not invested

[tropic summit]

can run any B2 filler, avoid SGs and MGs

also scarlet should be invested in asap

R15-SR5, 4OL, atk 20-30% OL

[high stream]

I very much struggle with such things still .. I still have no idea how you can look at a team and know exactly what to build, I assume it's just a ton of knowledge

[tropic summit]

just this: #pvp-arena message

[high stream]

I am investing in my Scarlet. But no purple doll luck for her
And she is also one of my worst OL gear rngs .. only 1 piece for her. Meanwhile Centi and Biscuit sitting on 4, sigh.
Cindy has 4 OL though ..

[tropic summit]

1. who are enemy worst teams (speed + CP + what gimmicks they running... e.g noah? siren? jackal? scarlet?
2. can you run against those teams with the CP you've?
3. arrange as needed

[high stream]

So .. Arguably, my Scarlet right now is as strong as I can make her

[crystal flicker]

Do you think I should put Centi P1 as sacc if I fail to get 18% CS on her

[tropic summit]

that's a CA team i imagine?

you definitely want s.anis to be 2.5RL

ideally if you can push CS% to get to B2 while enemy is on 2RL B3

getting s.anis indommed on 2.5RL would wrap up a lot of matchups

[high stream]

Well, see. I don't know what makes a PvP team worse than another .. I understand that certain units define entire team comps and matchups, such as noah, jackal, biscuit .. But to be honest, I read their burst skills that are apparently the reason for being so meta defining, but I struggle to understand what this actually means in practice. Okay, Noah makes stuff invincible, that's easy to figure out.
I wish I could look at an enemy team and be like .. "Ah, look at that. This guy is using Blanc, Liter and Alice in the same team, how silly of him, I can just use XYZ Nikke, line them up like this and since I'm within 15.4% deficit, he can't do anything against me."
My understanding is super basic I think .. Whoever bursts first usually wins, stay within 15.4% deficit .. certain Nikke work incredibly well together (I dont fully understand why, but I know which) .. certain bursts define entire match outcomes like Noah (i dont fully understand why).

[crystal flicker]

I only have 7% CS on Centi, so I still need like 2 - 3 CS lines on her

[full citrus]

hi! sorry to bother but can i request teams for sp and normal arena? and maybe suggestions on who to build for it? i heard i should build scarlet but idk who else ,, THANK YOU!

[crystal flicker]

I'll prio her for now then, Thanks!

[crystal flicker]

I was like "Nice account"
Then I saw REM

[full citrus]

whats wrong with REM!!!

[high stream]

He very likely is concerned about your account age

[full citrus]

oh LOL

i quit like 5 times

is there no hope lowkey

[crystal flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/rem-gif-20454967

[high stream]

I think it depends a lot on the current CP difference in your PvP bracket?

You have the Eva units .. which I understand to be pivotal in the decision of starting over

And when I was making a new account, I was advised to reroll specifically for Eva event

[full citrus]

no way is the acc state that bad that i should consider starting over...

[tropic summit]

to be honest, with current meta, you only need to learn about 2 or 3 archetypes, mostly being:

1. 2RL anti nuke (speed may vary when agaisnt emilia, as you can time noah shield to absorb the nuke)
2. 2RL indom
3. 2RL nuke

there's an extra archetype for dealing with indom, which is ultra stall

4. 2RL stall (may also be anti nuke)

once you know those 4, it's a matter of rock papper scissor

get familiar with these, videos in order

[full citrus]

right!

[crystal flicker]

Check your 50th position in leaderboard pvp

and see the CP

[high stream]

Not saying it is at all, I'm also just a 3 months old newbie myself.
It depends purely on PvP bracket CP difference .. that I know.

[full citrus]

oke

[crystal flicker]

It took me a year from 0 to 1.3M PvP CP

[full citrus]

LOL i think the server is dead

because im literally at 50th

[crystal flicker]

the other one

[full citrus]

which!

[crystal flicker]

SP

[full citrus]

oki

[high stream]

Wait .. what. What the F happened in video 2 .. ? Why did SBS tank 5 enemy units while her entire team was dead? I'm so confused

[tropic summit]

it's indom, blanc's buff

makes a unit invicible for 10s

[high stream]

Can you determine which unit gets the buff?

[full citrus]

yeah i dotn think ill reach that anytime soon

can i still get teams tho for the arena currency..?

[crystal flicker]

So yeah, you'll need ~2 years to catch up with them as f2p

[tropic summit]

yes the logic is based on the unit with the current HP being the lowest in the team, there are several ways to achieve as blanc cannot cast indom on herself

[full citrus]

im ok with that! i kinda just wanna try pvp

[tropic summit]

1. jackal method:

-3 units are linked to each others, the 2 highest atk% units + jackal.
-you can manipulate then the link, jackal will generally not be picked as indom as she's a defender with natural high max HP
-the other 2 units are your attackers, just run vigor cube on whoever you DON'T want to be indommed
-alternatively, easier to achieve with units with self-damage, like scarlet

2. biscuit method

-blanc in p1, your indom target in p2, p2 will receive splash dmg while blanc gets invulnerable via biscuit (in video below rapunzel was used to revive in case blanc died)

video to show it better

[crystal flicker]

First thing first, you should prioritize to invest PvE and clear campaign
After you have solid PvE comp, you can start invest PvP

[full citrus]

im chill with pve, this is my team with the dps changing depending on element weak

oh i have built sanis if that helps! idk if shes still meta in pvp tho..

[crystal flicker]

She's pretty good

[full citrus]

yay good enough

[high stream]

Let me give you some very valuable insight .. cause I actually technically started over.
I did play Nikke on release, but then quit very soon after. At some point I came back to pull Nier Collab, cause i had like 150K Gems saved up still and am a huge Nier fan, but also shortly quit after again.
I had tons of discussions in here and people fear mongering the absolute f### outta me, saying I might as well never play Nikke again if I don't start over .. so I did a ton of research into this. I even talked to SU customer support about it. Cause I didn't want to lose my collab units that might never return.

Ultimately .. what you lose by being PvP bricked is the ability to consistently compete for top 30, which is 2000 Gems every 2 weeks, 4000 extra gems per month. You also have a lower PvP currency supply to buy ELM skill books from the PvP shop, but this doesn't matter nearly as much.
If you genuinely do not care about losing the 4K gems per month .. there is no reason to start over. Your current PvP bracket essentially already peaked, they wont get much stronger, u'll continue to grow consistently, but like @crystal flicker said, it will likely take you 2 years to catch up. That's all you have to consider.
Since my account didn't even break 160 wall and had only Nier collab, the decision was a lot easier for me to scrap that release day account.

[full citrus]

i see

so i wont be getting 4k monthly gems since i wont be competitive in pvp if i dotn start over bc the other players here are old

[tropic summit]

it's a decision you can make, ignoring pvp altogether won't prevent you from playing the game, but you'll have a tad less income

[crystal flicker]

I don't see Noah and Biscuit

[high stream]

Yes. That is the only consideration. You'll lose 4K Gems per month. You will still get all other gems from all other existing sources.

[full citrus]

wait what i literally have them, wait ill take better screenshots

[full citrus]

im ok with that honestly, maybe ill reconsider once i take it more seriously but fopr now im very casual with nikke

[tropic summit]

realistically, you're missing on 4k gems a month, over 12 months becoming 48k gems.
that's around 16 x10 rolls, but in a year

if taking in consideration per month, you missing 1.3 x10 roll a month

[crystal flicker]

Just need better gems management

I have returnee account, currently sitting at top 70 SP

[full citrus]

heree @crystal flicker

[full citrus]

[high stream]

As far as I know, there are also plenty active and up to date accounts of players that actively choose not to play PvP at all and haven't played it since release .. these players have the CP to compete, but choose not to, cause they don't find it enjoyable .. so it's not like that's never been done.

[full citrus]

ill see about restarting when its anni or something

[full citrus]

i didnt really fw pvp since my phone is unoptimized for the game (iphone12) and crashed constantly esp in pvp but now i play in pc so i can play better, maybe during anni ill try making an alt and see where it goes!

[tropic summit]

if you really wanna commit and get a good start, try to reroll for strong pilgrims early, progress is all this game is about

e.g. finding a RH early in the game will drastically speed your progress, which means gaining advantage on other players

obviously being a dolphin/whale can also make it far easier

[full citrus]

yeahh thats why ill try in anni where itll b easier!

but now i js wanna try pvp so i can get some currency from arena loll

[keen vapor]

Bro, that can't burst

[full citrus]

omg idk whats going on but i take it that ill invest in those listed, yeah?

[keen vapor]

[crystal flicker]

SAnis or Emi is your choice

[keen vapor]

Pepper 💪

[full citrus]

i LOVE U

do i just do a pve comp for rookie arena

[keen vapor]

No

Choose either of those 3 teams

[full citrus]

oke

thanku kings

[crystal flicker]

I do run stall comp in SP

[keen vapor]

Moran Nero

[tropic summit]

@keen vapor why is it so hot

ventilator kun save me

[keen vapor]

I thought you talked about Nero for a moment

[keen vapor]

At least you have a fridge

[tropic summit]

well that's reasonable

[tropic summit]

wait wut

surely there's the river near the bridge where you live

cope with that

[keen vapor]

There's rivers everytime it rains

[keen vapor]

Is honestly good to see her succeeding in PVP finally

[tropic summit]

give her a lot of pats and love

[keen vapor]

Yes

[tropic summit]

yoshi yoshi

[keen vapor]

Huh? That's official? When it happened?

Nero banner perhaps

[atomic wolf]

wtf is that admi

[hexed zephyr]

@placid bloom @keen vapor hey yall, I was trying to think of sAnis team for PvP. How does this look? (I got basically every good PvP unit atm other than like Emilia I think so any switch’s you would make?)

[placid bloom]

those burst gen values look a bit weird team 2 should be 2RL with just quantum on Rumani

don't need quantum on team 1, can use Tempering

[onyx scaffold]

not bad. your sanis will be killed then helm will burst -. -
opponents could never predict your move

[hexed zephyr]

I was trying for 2 but that’s what it came out to

How can I make it 2?

[placid bloom]

deck says both teams are 2RL with just 1 quantum

team order is preference, I like having linked Mermaid p1 to not play into enemy stun

but if you have low ammo Scarlet you can put her p1 and Mermaid p2

[onyx scaffold]

why are there so many breakpoints now

[placid bloom]

I think it's just placeholder until he figures out how he wants to do it

[hexed zephyr]

I got 3 ammo lines on scarlet rn

[onyx scaffold]

and it is not 17% ?

[placid bloom]

but 15% cs and 17% cs doesn't have difference in frames or something

because PvP is 30fps

even though on paper 17% is faster

[onyx scaffold]

does it mean i wasted rocks to make 15% to 17%

[placid bloom]

if you get to 18% you are 1 frame faster?

[tropic summit]

17% has been the reliable benchmark so far, you didn't

[placid bloom]

[tropic summit]

15% may be iffy in some cases, you don't wanna take chances

[hexed zephyr]

Didn’t think about her bursting much but sure lol. I mainly just wanted her there for the burst gen plus she was already built.

[placid bloom]

higher is always better anyway

[onyx scaffold]

it is about the cost

[hexed zephyr]

Btw I know of deck but hadn’t used it yet. Is it known to be more accurate/updated more?

[placid bloom]

deck should be up to date, you just can't change quantum cube level from 7

though spreadsheet might have more accurate decimals

I haven't really encountered any cases of getting screwed over by 99.9% gauge yet though

[hexed zephyr]

Hm kk

[placid bloom]

but that quantum difference looks really weird

it shouldn't be that big of a disparity

it's like 2 whole %

triple quantum on spreadsheet at 101.8 to 104.3 on deck

[keen vapor]

17% can change frames with Adjutant

15% can't

[placid bloom]

that's for the people maintaining the sims to figure out though

[lusty gull]

minimum is 15% others are better breakpoints, 1 frame faster each

[onyx scaffold]

i signed up for ass and booba. not frame counting simulator 😭

[keen vapor]

You don't frame count the shaking?

My Rapunzel and Anis are the strongest 💪

[tropic summit]

sir this is a PG13 family friendly game, best we can do:

[keen vapor]

Pepper the strongest

Best B1

She helped me so much

[tropic summit]

she's the B1 you need when you've run out of the good ones or when you need that tad burst gen

[shell hazel]

can use my sheet if you want

[high stream]

I'll check it out, tyvm

[shell hazel]

for the gear:

• blank cell means no t9m
• t9m means not overloaded yet
• (0-5) range on the gear means it's OL + had levels added. atm I tend to only do this for core dps

I'm in CA so I needed to invest a lot more units, if you're just worried about rookie/SPA you can shorten the list a bit as to who you want to update

helm / chest / gloves / boots for the order I just used shorthand titles

[tropic summit]

indeed, we're end users 🍿

[gritty ridge]

Should I swap ein out while she's broken?

[tropic summit]

true dmg isn't particularly relevant in pvp, can stay

[gritty ridge]

[tropic summit]

that's an opponent matchup where you really want scarlet

[gritty ridge]

I unfortunately don't have

[tropic summit]

although they're very slow and unprotected, you can run 2RL-3RL SBS aswell

sbs blanc rh flex jackal

[gritty ridge]

I have been cursed by both scarlets

[tropic summit]

blanc RH rapu flex flex 3RL
blanc RH biscuit flex flex 3RL

[gritty ridge]

I could do rapu, she's quite uninvested tho

[tropic summit]

post ur box makes it easier

[gritty ridge]

After anchor is where low invest starts

Low invest cp i should clarify, they may have skill levels but no ol

[umbral crown]

When pepper costume rerun

I need hawt skins in my box

[tropic summit]

ok i guess you're better off trying to wipe their B1

[gritty ridge]

Yeah thats what I was thinking, what pos would soda target liter?

[gritty ridge]

Despite being low cp she hits pretty hard

[tropic summit]

in fact you'll wipe anchor even easier, as ele weak with cindy

regardless opponent won't B3

[gritty ridge]

Lmao, "basically never"

[tropic summit]

they're around 6RL

[gritty ridge]

[tropic summit]

although they'll be even slower as you'll kill p1 p2 and p3 very early

[gritty ridge]

Yeah their cindy is the main problem as you could see

If they dont burst then I should be fine

[tropic summit]

ye that's the point

cindy will need to dig through your cindy in p2, then linked nikke

RH will likely taunt in the first place though, so it will maybe get down to cindy decoyless vs your cindy on buffs and decoy active

[gritty ridge]

Linked would be naga and rh

[tropic summit]

bsoda likely has more atk than your naga no?

[gritty ridge]

No

[tropic summit]

uh that works even better then

they'll feed in p1, you get to be 2.5RL

[umbral belfry]

[gritty ridge]

I have an unusually strong naga

[tropic summit]

alright go get em

[strong hull]

Rail-chan

How was ur coop

[shell hazel]

oi you locked in yet?

[gritty ridge]

The cp jump from adding naga definitely helped too

Not the best but considering how low invest my pvp units are i think im doing good

[umbral belfry]

never

[tropic summit]

i did it on this server, found 4 decent lads, secured around 1% iirc

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/duck-yes-gif-21160558

[indigo path]

[umbral belfry]

no sir I do not

35% deficit as it is

there's only one thing I can do now

[shell hazel]

you're higher sync than me, we didn't raise no coward on this farm

[umbral belfry]

you didn't raise me at all

[umbral belfry]

higher sync but lower pve cp

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/skill-issue-pikachu-pikachu-skill-issue-gif-3559280283046901335

[umbral belfry]

[shell hazel]

invest in your pve 😛

[umbral belfry]

never

[shell hazel]

!

[umbral belfry]

I guess I could open up my core dust boxes

buuuut with next story next month that's a waste

[shell hazel]

depends how far off the next cp breakpoint you are

[umbral belfry]

cp or cd?

[shell hazel]

cp like 341, 361 etc

[umbral belfry]

I would reach 341 if I opened the up rn

but I will wait

[shell hazel]

yeah depends how far you get I suppose, if you're like 4-5 levels off maybe worth

as you can perhaps get into the 26's then and your next set of cd crates are then better when the new chapters open as well

[umbral belfry]

patience

[shell hazel]

[tropic summit]

@shell hazel i dunno hippo, feels like someone has been throwing excuses

then again 35% deficit is remarkable, i suppose we can give some leeway 🍿

[umbral belfry]

doing this while I'm sick!!!

[tropic summit]

oof you didn't get better yet

[umbral belfry]

I remember when I had to pause to cough and then I unpaused and died

[umbral belfry]

bronchitis is no fun

[tropic summit]

get well soon m'am

[umbral belfry]

[oblique ridge]

Get well soon

[fast relic]

Even if I can't stabilize in top 6 like I used to, being a gatekeeper for top 10 is still nice lol

[grizzled bone]

[keen vapor]

Teach them

[keen vapor]

Patrick

[grizzled bone]

I got demoted @keen vapor

Janitor status

[keen vapor]

Rock paper what

That's why you got demoted 🫵

[grizzled bone]

After I made the FAQ

[tropic summit]

being MA seems harsh

@keen vapor glad i always refused

[fast relic]

Who needs educating

[grizzled bone]

Eh not really. Its just hobbyists providing info

[keen vapor]

I mean teach them who's the boss

[grizzled bone]

I havent been very active in terms of cooking tho

[tropic summit]

[grizzled bone]

Too busy with my professional life

But honestly with the state of pvp, there are so many options to attack now cooking sustainable teams is diminishing returns

[fast relic]

Oh right lol

[keen vapor]

Me

[tropic summit]

theoretically 8 hours work, 8 hours sleep then you somehow gotta find the time in between to do exercise, keep house clean, possibly socialize, eat and shower, understandable not having much time after that

[grizzled bone]

Even CA I dont even bother cooking anything

[tropic summit]

[keen vapor]

Siren made PVP attacks so easy

[fast relic]

Even if you realistically rebalance to work 10 hours sleep 6 the leftovers are the same

[tropic summit]

trina made attacks too easy*
siren just made defenses even weaker

[grizzled bone]

Even in SPA im one of the lowest CP usually in my brackets, so there's little point to me cooking new things lol

[tropic summit]

but honestly if I were SU and I had to somehow improve arena i'd just quit and go work elsewhere, between how broken of state it is and the probably mess of a code behind it, it's probably an IT nightmare

[grizzled bone]

If people wanted to really beat me they could

[keen vapor]

Push more

[tropic summit]

in fact they seem to be breaking things a bit more easily lately... considering raven and ein bugs and then the SR essentially aborted twice

the FPS issue was also no little thing

[grizzled bone]

SR delay is such a huge QOL improvement for me

[tropic summit]

more time to do something else indeed

[grizzled bone]

Im actually treating the game like an idle game

[grizzled bone]

I only level jump with new chapters

[keen vapor]

Oh, good

[tropic summit]

speaking of which it's a month away

then i'll finally be able to play a bit of this game

[grizzled bone]

Next month is next week

[spare nimbus]

for this team, 1: is it good, and 2: if it is good, is trina fine at 4 10 7 or do i need to upgrade her to 4 10 10

these r my other 2

[eager mountain]

[keen vapor]

Seems good

[spare nimbus]

this is what i had before

i wanted to change cause of a possible siren stun on my scarlet

[keen vapor]

Who's linked there

Say Siren

[spare nimbus]

yeah

[keen vapor]

Put Siren in first placement

[spare nimbus]

she will probably die tho

[keen vapor]

And Scarlet in second

[swift mango]

Just like you

[keen vapor]

But she's linked you said yeah

She's the second highest attack

On that team

[spare nimbus]

ok ill do that then

[eager mountain]

I “quit” earlier then that

[grizzled bone]

They double pinned Rheaxs propaganda teams

Even though its in the FAQ

[keen vapor]

[umbral crown]

[grizzled bone]

[keen vapor]

Frieren

Frieren is friend

[swift mango]

[swift mango]

Because Doro sought help from this chat and he was pointed at that one.

After Rosy's cook for him didn't work.

I haven't cooked for others in awhile.

[grizzled bone]

[strong hull]

Blood-kun

[swift mango]

[grizzled bone]

It just makes the pins more busy but whatever

[strong hull]

Wait nvm i forgot what i am going to say

[swift mango]

Maybe you could try to cook for Doro.

[strong hull]

You shouldve come with me Rail-chan

Im at 24 now

[grizzled bone]

We have so many cooks here though

[umbral crown]

[umbral crown]

whale

[swift mango]

Maybe you got carriered

[strong hull]

I carried

[swift mango]

With crown?

[umbral crown]

pve is real

[strong hull]

104 ele 53 atk cind

[tropic summit]

wow such strength

[strong hull]

Super cooking

[tropic summit]

next time i'll ping you

[strong hull]

[swift mango]

Max core?

[tropic summit]

so you can carry me while i just sit there and look cute gathering burst with HelmT

[strong hull]

C5

[swift mango]

So thien is a whale.