pvp-arena

[crystal flicker]

Emi ofc

[glad glade]

The thing is, my team (other than SBS) will be wiped out because indom isn’t immune to damage, meaning the distributed damage will affect them all. I’ll probably have like 3 or 4 seconds of damage outside of biscuit’s proc depending on how fast they deplete the opposing blanc’s HP preburst

[oblique ridge]

That’s what I thought too, basically. Yours procs on enemy invincible Blanc, his procs on your indomitable BScarlet

[loud sonnet]

I don't know I wasn't able to check too

[oblique ridge]

You can still make it if BScarlet directs the proc off of highest DEF on enemy

I’m unclear about this so I’m not confident

[wild patio]

https://tenor.com/view/pray-crying-black-guy-pleading-plead-gif-15911108386383402751

[oblique ridge]

Basically means even though she hit your BScarlet, the proc is off Blanc who is also invincible

Assuming Blanc has highest DEF on team

[glad glade]

Looks to be that way based purely on CP

[oblique ridge]

First I’d dig around to see if what I said is right

I remember running into this topic when asking around about just how BScarlet evaluates what damage to distribute

[glad glade]

If you don’t mind me asking, how could I do that?

[upper garden]

My emi 777, can't nuke Cindy Noah
Should I increase emi burst?

[crystal flicker]

Is that even a question

[oblique ridge]

So p1 or lowest def is target

[oblique ridge]

I just searched around, found pins in an unofficial Nikke megathread about BScarlet

[glad glade]

Aaaaah you mean the defense thing, not the opponent’s units itself. My bad bro

[upper garden]

Wait SBS dist dmg can penetrate Blanc invincible?

[oblique ridge]

Means 1 of 2 things will happen.

1 - you’re screwed. Blanc is p1. So you’re targeting her for distributed dmg. GG.

• and the enemy targets your BScarlet unless your BScarlet dies to shift targeting off
  2 - You will deal damage based on lowest DEF on enemy team, who will NOT be Blanc. Saved!

Depends on if team entering arena combat at start counts as “spawns”

[glad glade]

I’ll perform some tests. Give me a moment

Wait, I can’t

[oblique ridge]

Hehehehe foiled by maintenance

[crystal flicker]

I dunno why you people going this deep for ScarBS Indom

[oblique ridge]

No point testing either - unless you’re trying to get your cheer right

[glad glade]

Yeah I’m aiming for the silver cheer. Getting new CA frames is nice but the HIGHEST priority for me is that losing frame

[oblique ridge]

It’s basically the difference between, enemy team will have all units alive versus his lone survivor bscarlet
or both teams down to 1 bscarlet trying to murder each other

[glad glade]

Man though I wish I didn’t screw up and remembered to swap Blanc’s and SBS’s place. I told myself that I would do it but forgot to

[oblique ridge]

If he can’t finish off enemy Biscuit, his BScarlet’s going to be facing like 10 seconds of Invincible Blanc. Which is basically saying he can’t kill any units on enemy team with his BScarlet

[glad glade]

Would make the cheering a lot better

[crystal flicker]

Blanc doesn't have Taunt, so she won't be the main target

[oblique ridge]

That’s 2 replays I wanna watch to learn mechanics

[pine kiln]

Hi, I'm building my PVP team. What do you think of this team?

[crystal flicker]

The game under maintenance and you can login?

Jokes aside, those team so ass

[oblique ridge]

That’s why I was looking for how BScarlet selects damage target

[oblique ridge]

Check this @crystal flicker

[crystal flicker]

I did run Blanc Biscuit with SAnis once, Biscuit just die kekw

[pine kiln]

because?

[crystal flicker]

Not optimal

[oblique ridge]

But yeah, if it’s the lowest DEF that gets picked, he might win. Will be nice to know for certain once his replay appears here.

Assuming he lives to see Indom on his BScarlet in the first place

[crystal flicker]

1st comp easily beaten by generic Scarlet comp
2nd comp very slow
3rd comp easily countered

[glad glade]

Except I can’t do that because maintenance screws with replays :

[oblique ridge]

Wdym, the fight is 5 hours after maintenance ends

Oh you wanted to check your old replays from groups?

… RIP those replays

[crystal flicker]

I'm sure 100% ScarBS die, but Rapunzel will rev her

[glad glade]

Bingo. SU really needs to fix that. It’s costed me multiple cheer streaks at this point

[glad glade]

Oh yeah. That essentially means that it counts as “the whole team spawned at the same time”

[crystal flicker]

I ain't gonna think too much for ScarBS Indom, whoever burst the last is the one whos win the match

[glad glade]

Sounds like its my match then, though its still pretty unclear. I’ll take it with cautious optimism. Thanks rin

[umbral crown]

Your teams need some ajustment

[peak jungle]

how do i fight this team, 2RL cindy n scarlet can't beat him

[umbral crown]

2 RL scar trina

could also use siren to stun nero for 3 s so they do not burst

[crystal flicker]

Cindy Blanc

[umbral crown]

slow team

[umbral belfry]

wouldn't be surprised if it's actually 2.5 and not 3

[raven plover]

works

[umbral crown]

cindy not gonna work at all against a well invested nero team

[crystal flicker]

That's why we use Blanc to nullify

[umbral crown]

imagine the boi does not have blanc invested and is in deficit

[oblique ridge]

This team looks evil if is actually 2.5RL because Moran gets to burst and because HelmT and Rapu will have like 49% dmg reduction going even before enemy tries AOE wipe burst (Nero gives 14% to healers and Moran gives 35% to team).

Then add SR15 dolls… that’s another 17% dmg reduction. RIP dmg

Wait.. Tempering cubes too if he has them. 9% dmg reduction? Wth

[crystal flicker]

#pvp-arena message
Or this one

Y'all ain't fighting Ein + Blanc + RH with Stall

[lost ether]

would scarlet x. anne work?

[peak jungle]

its my friends enemy, he said he tried 2rl scar n didnt beat him

[umbral belfry]

need

[umbral crown]

you fought the quiry version, laplace is different but the key is double buff blanc + red hood to secure the kill

he could try: Scarlet/DrakeT/Trina/Red Hood/Jackal

[crystal flicker]

What's the dif tho

[peak jungle]

rosana, scarlet kill helm n laplace, he can't burst but still lost

[crystal flicker]

Feeds make Ein goes 2RL

[umbral crown]

laplace has dps than quiry

also more burst gen

[oblique ridge]

Tempering cubes and SR15 dolls make this a total 75% dmg reduction on HelmT and Rapunzel

[crystal flicker]

That Ein is 2RL

[final wedge]

can....my CA lost.......u won by sheer luck.....I lost cuz enemny Cindy suddenly hit only Moran and Helm.....

[umbral crown]

i know, its for the feed but to kill the team is a good dps/blanc/red Hood and you win

also scar trina rh works

[final wedge]

fkn RNG.....i still cant believe my Moran Nero lost to Cindy 2RL team in CA

[midnight marsh]

That's a very standard asian Nero Mora team. It's either Laplace or Quirky. Laplace version can win against Scar. Yeah it's 2.5RL. Normally the counter is indeed Scar Trina RH or else not enough damage

It definitely easily beats all Cindy teams (if it has correct investments)

[oblique ridge]

That’s unusual. Is it this CA? Maybe patch made Cindy nuke tauntable

[umbral crown]

the scar trina red hood killed my nero team with burst and my investment all full , skill, doll and some cores

[pine kiln]

What adjustments would they be?

[final wedge]

ikr......my Moran even manage to burst....but somehow both my Moran and Helm ded after Cindy burst

[umbral crown]

Scarlet/Trina/DrakeT/Red Hood/Jackal killed my team before i could burst i do not have 17 cs on helm to make the team 2.5¨ but scar team did not leave any unit alive

[peak jungle]

so need rh trina scar, Rosanna scarlet actually kill his b3s n lost

[oblique ridge]

Seems like the damage reduction is just basically offsetting damage enhancements. Is it fair to say 75% dmg reduction is countered by 75% atk dmg buff? Zeroes out?

Feels strange but I’m shocked anyone can “punch through” and kill units and win when they do only 25% dmg

[midnight marsh]

Scar Trina vs Nero Mora is a very famous example in JP CAs. Tons of streams, clips, and videos about it. Soda version usually fails and that's why RH version has been popping up in JP CA.
Originally JP ran predominantly ran Soda Scar in early CA seasons but lately some have given up Soda because they got tilted by the NeroMora matchup.

[oblique ridge]

Ah

[raven plover]

just stun moran

[midnight marsh]

But maybe it's a knee jerk reaction

Soda still seems very strong and can obviously still win with right rng

[oblique ridge]

The downside of Soda is you lose reliably keeping Scarlet alive, and also Soda doesn’t let Scarlet nuke harder

[crystal flicker]

Just get 25% CS and make Scarlet burst before Moran

[umbral crown]

[fiery parcel]

Good news, my scarlet now has 1 max ammo line and 92% ele damage. Should now not be so bricked

[pine kiln]

Is there a website where I can test PVP equipment?

[crystal flicker]

Yes, I did the math

[fiery parcel]

NIKKE DECK
https://nikke-deck.web.app/

[fiery parcel]

@pine kiln

[umbral crown]

Team1:
Scarlet/Blanc/Centi/Liter/Jackal
Nero/Moran/Quiry/HelmT/Rapunzel
Noah/Biscuit/Emilia/Red Hood/ Flex

[umbral crown]

even with the math not like we can get 25% cs for a b3, if we could emilia could have been 38% already

[peak jungle]

Where to check this, excel one?

nvm I find it

[crystal flicker]

Wdym
It's based on generic Scarlet ft 3x Clip RL

[umbral crown]

[crystal flicker]

let's see the gen

It's 99% w/o quantum so it's doable

[quick lake]

Nero Moran can facetank Scar Trina RH. So not a sure-win counter anyways

[midnight marsh]

I see

[quick lake]

Really boils down to Scar/RH atk% lines, and Nero/Moran Def% lines ig

[midnight marsh]

oh yeah

[crystal flicker]

or Scar comp CS lines

[quick lake]

Hmm, I guess if u can nuke before Moran bursts

[umbral crown]

Thats what happened to me

Got nuke before moran in S2 and S3

Whole team deleted

With all the feed team went like 1.7 or so

[terse heron]

Can Soda stun Cinderella with decoy?

[raven plover]

no

decoy gonna tank it

[quick lake]

is it? I assume cindy was stun-able

[raven plover]

soda stun is bullet travel just like ros, so yea it aims at decoy from what I remember

[quick lake]

Isnt it her skill who stuns?

idk

[raven plover]

yes her burst, which "spit" out 2 bullets

[quick lake]

[raven plover]

decoy tank that

also this collab update kinda change soda stun vs noise noah I feel like

I keep stunning both on CA

[crystal flicker]

Wasn't the stun only will skip Cindy entirely

[raven plover]

[crystal flicker]

Just like Siren skip Cindy entirely

[quick lake]

Oh yeah, some ppl were talking about it

Maybe there’s a taunt queue now

[raven plover]

[quick lake]

Seems like taunting mechanic may have been updated

[oblique ridge]

Easy way to determine it. Bring Cindy in p1 vs taunters, burst, see if Cindy kills the taunters first If she consistently does, this changes things

[crystal flicker]

Wdym, Cindy will only be skipped by Siren

[oblique ridge]

Well we can just watch CA replays tbh

A few matches where Cindy is bursting vs taunting Moran will occur

Moran only has to burst to AoE taunt (attract), better than trying to find a way to let Cindy be hit by taunting basic attacks

[crystal flicker]

About that, my Moran always die first against Cindy comp lmao

Actually HelmT die from burst, but yeah

[raven plover]

#pvp-arena message

soda tried to stun cindy

decoy tanks it

[quick lake]

[crystal flicker]

More likely Soda stun the decoy

[quick lake]

I wouldnt mind a re-enter B1 pvp nikke

[crystal flicker]

Re-enter adds 0.5s

[late tiger]

Round down or up?
And at what threshold, 0.5?
I got 6.09+6.09+5.51+4.61

[blissful willow]

@crystal flicker hewwo can I dm you

[quick lake]

-# poaching has begun

[blissful willow]

when r u joining jiggle

[quick lake]

When I get kicked from my union for bad UR score maybe

[swift mango]

Above 0.5, round up. Below 0.5 round down. Same value sum up before rounding.

So

5.8+5.8+5.8=17.4=17.
5.8+5.8+5.6=11.6+5.6=18.

Weird math.

[swift mango]

Yeah, decoy counter niche mechanic... Like Midhara too.

I'm probably lose the next round because Midhara is ineffective against Cindy.

[glad glade]

@oblique ridge SBS strikes through biscuit proc

@crystal flicker was right. Something like Moran-biscuit works because of the taunt

[crystal flicker]

No, I don't have high sync and I hate responsibility

[glad glade]

Now to determine if SBS actually survives long enough to get the indom lmao

[gilded sluice]

how to beat this?

[graceful grotto]

is raven good in pvp now?

[shell hazel]

+1 but also is raven good in general now 😄

[swift mango]

Is raven fixed?

[quick lake]

idts imo. Delay still happens in pvp.
Assuming 3RL Raven shoots 3 times at 3.87s

full charge (1+250%) * 61% = 213.50%

first shot = 213.5%
2nd shot = 213.5% +68.46% = 277.50%
3rd shot = 213.5 + 68 + 68% = 341.5%

Total in 3 shots = 831%.
Avg per shot = ~277%

Laplace ~300%
xMaiden ~462%

[loud sonnet]

Look's like we didn't get touched

[sweet escarp]

if I'm only playing rookie arena, what's the best team?
I pretty much have every nikke

I want to invest in 1 team

[high stream]

Is there a doll priority guide for PvP units?

[wild patio]

I got touched just claimed the place 1hr after maintenance

[sweet escarp]

what does 17% mean?

[quick lake]

cs% from OL lines

[sweet escarp]

ahh

thanks

[misty jackal]

sorry for another ping, but up to the top 16!
You are a boss

[loud sonnet]

Oh

[late tiger]

Thanks

[peak jungle]

I’ve heard scarlet’s burst have hitting order in pvp right?
like hitting p2 first or smt?

[quick lake]

P5 to P1 (or the other way). Dont quote me on this

[raven plover]

for mana test, its 25314

for biskit test

[peak jungle]

Alr appreciate

[quick lake]

order of revive?

[raven plover]

I didnt save the bilibili link but the test used 2 atker in the team, mana and helm, they just reorder these 2 position

[quick lake]

Hmm i think its P5 to P1

[sleek root]

With LaplaceT S1 explosion radius increase , how many nikke can it hits on full stacks? Can she hits everyone if she targets P1?

[quick lake]

s1 lv4 is enough to hit P1 and P2

i dont think u can hit 3 or more opponents

[sleek root]

Will it reach P3 also if i Lv10 it?

[loud sonnet]

Raven pvp good now?

[quick lake]

Dont think so

[loud sonnet]

Nvm

Saved pulls for nothing

[shell hazel]

if she's good pve I'll look at MLB still

I was waiting to see how she looks with the fixes vs eve

[wet crystal]

@shell hazel @umbral belfry further delays on route PVE, ZZZ has taken up a timeslot

[wet crystal]

I know I'll probably invest on them still for solo raid

[quick lake]

Indeed Yuzuha is a priority

[wet crystal]

^apparently miyabi rerun with yuzuha... and I dont have miyabi

[misty finch]

And recs for SP defence teams? Tried the pinned teams but the guy targeting me keeps beating them

[quick lake]

unfortunately defence also loses

[misty finch]

Oof 😔

Any units I can build to have a better chance?

[quick lake]

u can share ur current defence

Generally,
Scar Trina
2RL Cindy
leftover emilia/SBS

[crystal flicker]

Saving rocks is hard

[quick lake]

indeed. Havent saved more than 20 in recent memory

[crystal flicker]

I need hundreds of them though

[raven plover]

I have 0 for 2% cs on biskit

[quick lake]

I spent probably 300+ rocks on my pvp. Still losing in CA

no more rocks for pvp units

[crystal flicker]

You lost coz you don't use 25% 2RL Scarlet

[misty finch]

Current variation, positions are more optimal in-game

The 4rl team is CP pad

[shell hazel]

slacking! 🙂

[peak jungle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1371838089227403284/1387006951983943760/dab2c6f9-9233-409e-b000-8d9a1fbbf5f6.mov?ex=685bc662&is=685a74e2&hm=b7056ef20dd8fad8d168531aaebb147976883957e99e6e64fd5145381007df34&

[quick lake]

Siren Scar Trina Rumani Jackal
Noah Centi Cindy THelm Noise
CP pad or
Blanc SBS Biscuit Rapun xMaiden

[swift mango]

Got 0 rock today. Had 27 rocks. Got tier 13 CS for Noise with 2 rocks.

The rest go to Scarlet for nothing... I should have used it on Emi for CS. Fml...

Keep getting CS like 5 times of Scarlet.

[misty finch]

Big Ty 🙏

Do units still share the highest CS OL line in the team?

[swift mango]

No

[raven plover]

at least you winning in SP

[misty finch]

Is the last team meant to only be 4rl 😭

I can try build anis maybe

[quick lake]

If u have Emilia is can be 3RL

Can consider building laplaceT

[misty finch]

Wasn’t playing back then 😔

But at least no-one else in my bracket has her either

[quick lake]

or Drake/BSoda

[misty finch]

Is Anis not worth building anymore?

[quick lake]

Huge CP downgrade imo. U can, but she reallyyy wants the cp padding for SPA at least

I usually dont use Anis

But having laplace or invested ClipSG would be nice

[misty finch]

Yeah I can probs invest in both

Although I just built M.anchor today cuz prywen said she was good in both raid & PvP 😭

[quick lake]

lapT more pvp unit. Drake/BSoda more dual use

[misty finch]

Think I got scammed

It’d need to be the latter cuz I don’t have the laplace dupes

What would my teams look like if drake & bsoda were both at decent CPs?

[quick lake]

This is the main pvp def i use

lapT can switch place with BSoda/Drake

[misty finch]

Is there reason you use sbs over sanis? I thought sanis was meant to be better

[quick lake]

Both are equally good/bad

With SAnis, she is easily countered by Opponent Jackal
With SBS, she is easily countered by Taunting Defender + Biscuit

Both are “bad” in pvp. But we dont have better options

[misty finch]

Is it worth trying to build a Moran / s.helm heal team? I attack failed vs one of those a lot

[quick lake]

Moran is fine. She has her niche definitely. shelm? u mean Treasure Helm?

[misty finch]

Yeah thelm oops

[quick lake]

Well, she wants 10/10/x

U can burst with her if u know what’re doing. Bursting THelm is mostly for atk pvp

[misty finch]

Mine’s up to that cuz I use her in campaign

[misty finch]

What would a thelm burst team look like?

[quick lake]

T3. I burst with Helm to snipe Jackal linked units

[misty finch]

Huh ok 🤔

I’m starting to realise the extent of my skill issue 😭

[quick lake]

Yeahhh. pvp is a lot more team buildingg

high deficit pvp is also possible if u big brain enough

[misty finch]

Sounds cancer 😔

[sage hinge]

is this decent for sp arena? the pvp nikkes aside from jackal and centi I don't have any OL on yet, nor for scarlet and maiden

ignore the cubes

[quick lake]

Check pins for teams. Make 2 2RL teams. cp pas last team

[sage hinge]

i made mine as close as I could, i don't have trina, noah, and sanis, emilia

[swift mango]

New Bug on solo raid brotha.... Do your 3 fights asap before they close it.

[graceful grotto]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1162985219830329374.webp?size=128&animated=true

[tulip quest]

Anyone tried Crown, Biscuit, Little Mermaid, Rapi, Modernia in C.A?

[tulip quest]

Swap centi to anchor's place

I assume this is still low level cause you still don't have noah? or just unlucky?

If special Arena it's preferable if you can make 2RL teams

[tulip quest]

Also put Rumani first before Tia you wouldn't want More late burst 3 cause pvp is all about speed

[sage hinge]

ok ty. nah, i'm level 301 sync. Just haven't prioritized pvp at all

[tulip quest]

oh alright

but if you can Noah and Trina those 2 are also Meta in pvp

PVP = MORE GEMS after all

still part of PVE for more pulls in the long run

[sage hinge]

I've comfortably gotten the 2400 gems almost the whole time i've played

[tulip quest]

don't worry bout C.A just special arena focus

[sage hinge]

So for the next few weeks all of my rocks are going to OL gear

[tulip quest]

Yea Noah and Trina are worth it

just 1 copy pays dividends in the long run

[swift mango]

That team won't burst fast enough, even if Siren stun their scarlet, their Scarlet would still unstun and wipe before you burst.

Siren Burst gen only for PvE

[tulip quest]

ya Im gonna be Like Ether and try this out on Rookie

XD for C.A is bad every is almost knowleadgeable bout pvp nowadays

[placid bloom]

Mermaid burst gen doesn't really work for PvP because MG shoot at half speed at 30fps

[covert lintel]

How was raven now?

[tulip quest]

But man it Kinda hit me C.A is also for whales, I mirrored a guy Noah, Noise, Biscuit, Summer Anis, HelmT Vs Mirror Just change HelmT to Drake for my opponent and I only did about 10% Damage to Him I was literally scratching my head not even 50% damage? wut

[placid bloom]

Raven no change in PvP

[swift mango]

Most people only have half baked knowledge at best. It's good that the player is less clueless than before. But still clueless anyway.

[tulip quest]

dps changed they said

[placid bloom]

only usable as battery in baby bracket since no Emilia/SAnis to make fast 5th team

dps change only matters for PvE

her DoT can't even apply to all 5 people at the same time like Mihara

[tulip quest]

you got Mihara Team suggestions?

[swift mango]

You don't?

[raven plover]

I dont 🥀

[glad glade]

@valid inlet @umbral belfry @oblique ridge Holy moly, I didn’t just win. I swept

[tulip quest]

OP

[covert lintel]

Liar

[raven plover]

my def keep losing

[swift mango]

Screenshot you SpA.

[raven plover]

Im watching stellar blade strim, later

[swift mango]

Don't say later, just say never.

[raven plover]

as long as I remember

[swift mango]

Can you get C4? Y/N

[tulip quest]

https://tenor.com/view/eren-yeager-gif-24439040

[oblique ridge]

My cheer failed Turned on this fight I thought was a win for Latte

[grand plaza]

For some reason RH gets the Jackal link instead of SBS, what might be the reason?

[raven plover]

so far yes

OL atk%?

[grand plaza]

Hmm yeah make sense

[swift mango]

I lost my loser cheer frame again.... Wtf.

I swear I keep winning 99% lose match up...

This was yesterday...

[tulip quest]

HOW Do you guys record Nikke pvp btw?

[swift mango]

Screen recorder

[tulip quest]

also what is miranda doing there?

[swift mango]

Read her treasured skill 2. Guarantee Crit and some Crit dmg.

[swift mango]

Their Mihara missed my Rossanna lol...

I also forgot Mana revive would clear debuff.

[tulip quest]

tho the crit is only 1 round the CD is 32.99% for 10 sec

yea not bad I guess

[bleak shale]

anyone have a video of raven post maint?

[swift mango]

I didn't go down alone though.

[lunar pawn]

how did you do @oblique ridge

[swift mango]

I was about to test.

[tulip quest]

That 75.44 MEANS that not that many people study pvp mech

[oblique ridge]

@lunar pawn

[tulip quest]

Total scam the Crowd %

[quick lake]

@swift mango 8% is all the cs% needed to B1 before opponent B3 right?

[swift mango]

No, even I thought I would lose.

[quick lake]

or was it 15%

[tulip quest]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34gNZOAMxgw

[swift mango]

Yes but only if they don't have any CS.

[oblique ridge]

@lunar pawn I didn't think Cinderella would survive the Scarlet AoE. Much less Rumani. Something's fishy lol. Fishy with the Scarlet team's investments/OLs, and fishy with the Cinderella and Rumani damage reduction

[quick lake]

okie got it

[swift mango]

So 11% at least to be safe.

[tulip quest]

https://tenor.com/view/shield-heroes-anime-gif-21381501

[quick lake]

oh fair got it

[oblique ridge]

Feels like I was scammed by a Scarlet lvl7 burst AoE and lvl7 Trina burst

[tulip quest]

you guys also look at their investments? Like 12k or 13k or 17k

per character

[lunar pawn]

3 to go on my end

[oblique ridge]

Yeah but didn't realize this meant bad burst skill level on Trina. Now I do

[bleak shale]

is this pvp

if its not pvp then i dont need it, i can just record my own

[oblique ridge]

Scarlet was this

[lunar pawn]

yea bad investment can not always be seen, rip

[bleak shale]

im pretty sure i have the right numbers but i wana see chibi animation

[oblique ridge]

So I guess I shoulda worried about a) Scarlet not being MCB, and b) Trina being 0LB and low power

[umbral belfry]

top 8 inbound

[placid bloom]

I thought single buff Scar Trina cannot one-shot Noise Cinderella unless crit, so it's always RNG without double buff

[tulip quest]

yea nope just Raven dps

[lunar pawn]

s2 lvl 10 should still be enough for scarlet to wipe, maybe his s2 was lvl 4 or something

[umbral belfry]

[tulip quest]

that scarlet is stacked I think mine was only 133k or something

[snow kraken]

Anyone able to select their CS on the deck? Or is it bugged atm?

[swift mango]

I figure it's still the same as last time @placid bloom tested...

She still have the Regen of XMaiden per shot but shot 2 in 3rl.

[quick lake]

nope. Its the new update. Can see the i at top right

[snow kraken]

I'm aware, but unable to select between the amounts, or is that done on purpose?

[quick lake]

yep, its on purpose afaik. 15/18/21/25 are all the same

[snow kraken]

Ah ok

[quick lake]

motion delay actually makes raven slower

I just realised from ur vid

[swift mango]

@umbral belfry

The fix for Raven in Solo raid did nothing for her in Arena. She is still in the same weird spot.

[quick lake]

her burst gen is the same, but delay is crazy

[swift mango]

Yeah, she shot her 2nd shot after HelmT 3rd... Look a bit faster than before to me but not enough.

[bleak shale]

then shes slower than maiden

[umbral belfry]

it's over

[quick lake]

D tier pvp prydwen

[placid bloom]

her fire speed should be 3 slash at 5RL, same as before update

[swift mango]

She is at least better than Yan? A C tier.

[bleak shale]

done

[quick lake]

Well, Yan fires faster than Raven

[bleak shale]

its 3 slash at 5rl but last dot tick happens right after 4th

and im too lazy to add 5th rl

basically mag shotgun

[swift mango]

But not with extra burst gen like her...

[bleak shale]

back to sleep

[strong hull]

Blood-kun

Do you have some manhwa about mind game?

[quick lake]

The Gamer

[swift mango]

Wdym by mind game?

[crystal flicker]

The one where MC and Villain has big brain move

Something like COTE, Log Horizon, Code Geass

[keen vapor]

Btooooom

Log Horizon

[quick lake]

Log Horizon is an oldie

[swift mango]

Manhwa don't often have them, it's mostly about brute force, cheap trick and connection when Korean MC fights.

[quick lake]

more manga, but
Liar Game is a classic

[keen vapor]

Log Horizon's Shinobi

[swift mango]

https://mangapark.net/title/95642-en-dimensional-mercenary

This is the closest I could remember right now.

[crystal flicker]

Thousands of Manhwa, we should have some

[fiery parcel]

@swift mango what do you recommend to win?

[swift mango]

Manhua has more.

Lots of big brain MC just from my last 10 Manhua.

[keen vapor]

Oh right, new CA round

[fiery parcel]

I couldnt choose you. So ihave to choose between them

[swift mango]

I looked a bit and probably Arkio...

[raven plover]

not winning 🥀

[swift mango]

Looks like you are still c3 to me.

[strong hull]

[shell hazel]

unlucky @hollow lagoon lost first 3 like we thought may happen

[strong hull]

All done both btooom and log

[raven plover]

I missed my comfy bracket 😔

[swift mango]

https://mangapark.net/title/104359-en-sss-class-suicide-hunter

Could try this if you didn't

[strong hull]

Alr ill look for it

[quick lake]

oh i tried it. It was good... until it was meh

[hollow lagoon]

shrug

[quick lake]

Me too. Im lowest CP in top 8

[shell hazel]

your moran/nero team won though

[hollow lagoon]

i mean that's guranteed

this is actually unlucky

just placement and the enemy just happens to have slower indom

[placid bloom]

tbh 3RL Blanc not even worth I think with how many bad matchups it has, just run it as 4RL to punish 3RL Blanc users

[swift mango]

I like Dimension Mercenary more TBH... Too bad it was too much talk and dragging so people hate it... Now I read it on SnowMTL... Better translation than the shit scan group that did it before they dropped it tbh...

[swift mango]

Maybe if you could read female MC... Manhwa with FMC often have more brain than Manhwa with Male MC.

[keen vapor]

[placid bloom]

Idk, female MC manhwa is weird sometimes

they have normal story and then like halfway through the FMC is descendant of god or dragon and then story ends

just bad writing

[hollow lagoon]

breh, some one some how brings a 3.5 rl indom on my 3rl indom, this is just lottery tier loss, and their trash team just managed to have the right positioning to take out my trash team it be what it be lel

[swift mango]

https://comick.io/comic/00-oldman

It's pretty old but I recommend this if you haven't read it....

[quick lake]

Ooo I liked FFF-class Trashero

[strong hull]

NO

[raven plover]

read rosen garten saga

[strong hull]

I prefer male big brain

[keen vapor]

someone who likes Monogatari wouldn't say that

[strong hull]

Arthur and his holy sword

[swift mango]

https://mangapark.net/title/75038-en-change-the-world-bloodthirsty-killer-from-today

Why not try manga?

[strong hull]

The off spring version kinda bad since mc is araragi sister

Where is my bud

Need koyomi

[quick lake]

liar game, tomodachi game for brainy games

[strong hull]

Sure thing

[swift mango]

https://comick.io/comic/00-4-cut-hero

This MC is also pretty big brain.

[strong hull]

Both done already

[strong hull]

Already read

[quick lake]

munou no nana

[swift mango]

https://comick.io/comic/02-dungeon-odyssey

A city sim with some politick.

[pure moss]

what do you think?

[swift mango]

You just read the bad writing ones I guess...

https://comick.io/comic/00-light-and-shadow

I would recommend this as the first entry to Female MC manhwa to a boy.

One of the best original series with Female MC around... Its sequel is good too.

[covert lintel]

He intends to make you lose your ticket to ca

Btw @keen vapor you should go to that union

[keen vapor]

[placid bloom]

well it's hard to find good ones, Korean authors really like to add backstory that the MC was a dragon in their past life out of nowhere

[swift mango]

I don't think I have seen that one... Probably your personal bias.

[placid bloom]

it seems like that's just what they do when they run out of ideas

[raven plover]

https://tenor.com/view/green-mile-im-tired-boss-michael-clarke-duncan-gif-2375696290766999196

[strong hull]

Readed

[strong hull]

I read this one already

[swift mango]

https://comick.io/comic/mind-game4tQ3

You asked for it.

[fiery parcel]

Tq

[strong hull]

[fiery parcel]

Rondrond is from my SPA
if you fight him next round, beat him for me lol

I think he's a whale? In my SPA, but 23 levels higher than me.

I can add 7 levels, but still a 14 level gap

[gilded sluice]

need help figuring out teams to attack this

[swift mango]

@bleak shale

She did do her 2nd shot at 2.5rl here... Same time as Drake 5th shot.... No CS on her ofc... But still no 3rd shot after 4rl...

[bleak shale]

this is 3rd rl no?

i saw a tick around 4th iirc

[tropic summit]

awesome, hit challanger next

[swift mango]

Noise 11% CS still at 16/18 while Raven 0% CS already 6/8.

It's safe to say Raven shot her 2nd at 2.5rl.

[bleak shale]

i had her at 2.5 before but it looked like her animation was slower in pvp in the other vid

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1177116972593463316/1387080271144292456/Screenrecorder-2025-06-24-21-37-28-487.mp4?ex=685c0aab&is=685ab92b&hm=f1ffce2828843393d2a32803b1f459c0cb0d283a620caee8e6ec384e0de638a2&
its like right around 3rd for their helm/jackal/trina too

[swift mango]

They probably had 15%+ CS.

[bleak shale]

7 chars with cs and 1 being a dwife?

[swift mango]

DKW only need 8% to be comparable to 15% on RL.

[bleak shale]

only if ur looking a travel time and not ammo down time

raven hit ammo down after dwife ammo down

[swift mango]

I'm not sure but many guys recommend investing CS on DKW for SR....

[swift mango]

Okay, it's my DKW? She only has 5+2%

[bleak shale]

u can see the ammo down here

ide say safer to be 3 since if ur too slow for 2.5 ur probably getting blocked

until further testing with very specific lineups with noah+exact gen

[swift mango]

Yeah, she shotted after my Noah and Biscuit 3rd (also 11% both) in the first video... But before my Noise 3rd (also 11%) in the 2nd video.

Wtf does that even mean....

[bleak shale]

it means shiftup hates us

[keen vapor]

It means Adjutant

[swift mango]

This team can only be 2.5rl with raven shotting at 2.5rl here....

[bleak shale]

adjuant sucks on raven cuz most of it is animation lock

[bleak shale]

which unit is raven replacing

[swift mango]

Xmaid

[bleak shale]

doesnt that make it not 2.5

because xmaid base gen is higher than raven

i recall xmaiden is like 1.8 instead of regular 1.4

[swift mango]

Extra 4% then.

[misty jackal]

In the top 8 despite everyone e cheering against me

[swift mango]

@bleak shale

My Rouge has 0% CS.

It's safe to say 2.5RL I guess....

At least faster than 3rl...

[bleak shale]

its like a hair faster than 3 i dont think its enough to be at 2.5

even if u look at drake here, from when she shot b1 was just filling, raven shot at b3

[swift mango]

Yeah, I guess a bit slower than 11% CS Noise at 3rd video

Idk what happened to the 2nd video... Maybe it would be faster if she go with a SG...

[bleak shale]

and drake should be static

[tropic summit]

haha awesome

[bleak shale]

so ur well past the cutoff for 2.5 imo

[tropic summit]

who's indom target in enemy T3? there's 3 attackers, based on positioning i'm assuming it's a B3 bsoda with bsoda indom?

[bleak shale]

9-4=5 shots right

[gilded sluice]

i can't recall 100% but i think it's bsoda

[swift mango]

Yeah, and in the 2nd video... Noise also at 16/18 when Raven at 4/6 too... Weird... Maybe Drake buff Raven delay?

Other video without SG, Noise at 15/18 before raven 4/6...

[tropic summit]

T1
nothing particularly needed beside regular invest, besides helm treasure phase 2 s1 lvl 10

T3
jackal quantum
blanc vigor
alice resil/bastion
centi quantum
scarlet temperance

[polar isle]

can anyone make a team for me ?
i need to reach top 3 huhhuh

[tropic summit]

attack is based on what opponent is running, defense on the other hand you can arrange one

[polar isle]

sec let me edit in figma

[swift mango]

Putting her hits at around 1rl 3rl 5rl 7rl are fine I guess.... She is a bit faster but like you said, not exactly 2.5rl.... aside from that 2nd video I still don't know the reason why she shotted faster...maybe it's related to the recently delay cancel bug in Solo raid...

[polar isle]

i dont have jackal scarlet noah dont ask me for it hahahha

my account is such a trash after playing for 2 month dont have any red hood

[bleak shale]

the delay cancel should only work with manual control

but even in 2nd video shes slower than drake 5th shot by quite a bit

[swift mango]

Maybe AI moved "camera" to Drake when she activated her s2 at 2.5rl and canceled Raven?

[bleak shale]

[lunar pawn]

alright new matchup, thoughts? top attacker, bottom defender as usual

thinking attacker will:
t1 lose
t2 win
t3 lose
t4 lose
t5 lose

[gilded sluice]

thanks! i'll try this later
btw who's gonna get blanc indom in t3 and if it's not jackal then why?

[tropic summit]

SP arena def teams

blanc sbs biscuit noir rumani
naga drakeT siren anis alice
auto

Rookie

mihara drake blanc sbs rumani

wishlist jackal, noah, cinderella, RH, scarlet, rapunzel, noise, centi, trina
build helmT asap, s1 lvl 10, phase 2

[tropic summit]

T3 is a bit peculiar because we want to punish SGs but we want to use biscuit and noah also elsewhere, hence

jackal p1 will be tanking any non SG damage, linked with alice and scarlet
blanc p2 only needs to survive to 2RL to indom scarlet and give buff + debuff
alice p3 is our flex unit, works well as she'll facetank bsoda single buff, while gaining self sustain and not being picked as indom
centi p4 is going to be likely the one who finishes off bsoda once indom expires
scarlet p5 she'll be dealing the most dmg out of indom and s2 counters, she's not bursting here as alice is in p3

p3 unit can be any flex attacker that has more HP% than scarlet (e.g SBS, laplaceT with vigor as needed)

[polar isle]

okay thank you very much i gonna treasure my drake first

[tropic summit]

the team doubles down as slower compared to the enemy, so your scarlet indom should regardless expire after bsoda did

[polar isle]

almost there

[pure moss]

what's your take on this. It looks like bottom will take it

[gilded sluice]

this is so big brain, thank you for the explanation i definitely would've not been able to come up with this

[tropic summit]

this assumes units are invested though, ensure you're not on CP deficit

recording the match could also be useful to see if opponent is running particular CS%

[tropic summit]

def is top?

[pure moss]

yes

[gilded sluice]

i think cp deficit is fine, i'll send the results later

[tropic summit]

the video aswell if possible

[tropic summit]

leaning top winning because RNG on soda is 1 chance out of 5 in this matchup

[worldly osprey]

@swift mango u meet guy in my sp arena. he is my mortal enemy. i cheer u. let win for me and get 3rd champion

[pure moss]

my 2nd time stopped at rank 8

my team placement rng sucks

[tropic summit]

T3 can go either way, although scarlet on single buff on 2RL against moran team on 2.5RL is generally no longer lethal

if opponet has decent invest in dolls and temperance, that's rough

[mystic rain]

chat can someone tell me the idea behind mihara in pvp

does she have to die

is her dot even that good in pvp

[umbral belfry]

@shell hazel are you still in

[shell hazel]

master tracer of Rails - what are the best rock paper scissor counters for the common CA comps I'm seeing?
2RL Scarlet
3RL Noah/Cindy
2.5RL Nero/Moran
3RL SBS Indom
3RL SG + Ros

[shell hazel]

I am deadge as of top 32 😦

[umbral belfry]

always assume nero moran teams are 2.5

[umbral belfry]

dang next time

[shell hazel]

yep I hope so!

[shell hazel]

possibly though dunno how far people have gotten on rolling CS yet

[placid bloom]

my SPA #1 is facing Folian, first time he made it past top 32 I think

about time

[umbral belfry]

if it happened in our baby bracket I wouldn't be surprises if it's in yours

[shell hazel]

I'm sure it is but I doubt everyone has CS on everyone yet

if I don't 😛

[umbral belfry]

True

@wet crystal we both gotta make it out so we have a rematch

[stiff oasis]

How to counter?

[umbral belfry]

2 rl scar on either t1 or t2, 2 rl noah cindy on t3

sbs indom could for t2 though

[spring ore]

I've invested on rosanna, rumani and trina. Powerbattle wise, they are respectively 120k, 110k, 111k. Overloaded gear and recommended skill levels. Working on getting the correct SR commander plushies for them. In which way should I alter the comps now that I did this?

[stiff oasis]

Aaahhhh sorry
Elaborate, little new to the terms

[swift mango]

I'm probably able to pass him.
But I feel dejavu, maybe Coldstar gonna win me even if I get to the final lol...

Thanks

[umbral belfry]

if I was in your shoes and saw this, I would ideally:
skip t1 (they might be 2rl speed, and skipping clears up space for more units
t2: pref linked p1/p2 siren scar trina centi jackal (siren will stun blanc so no indom)
t3: noah noise cindy helm rumani

linked units = highest attack units

2 rl scar nuke will be blocked by 2 rl noah

[sleek imp]

Would you lose?

[umbral belfry]

both ace and I believe I win

[sleek imp]

https://tenor.com/view/nah-id-win-bacon-talk-meme-ai-gif-18423889256405792069

[umbral belfry]

if you want to look

[sleek imp]

I have no idea how team 2/4 is going to look like

[umbral belfry]

• slower cindy wins
• unlikely for rapu sr15 to be under 30% to stun my team (bay hard counters scar)
• will depend if blanc can get indom off, if not then my win
• SGs attack lap, then I go into 2 rl and rosa will likely kill or close to helm. Bay is gone
• lose

if rapu somehow takes enough splash dmg from my lap then I lose yes

but bc it's sr15 and in pos2 I have my doubts

[wheat heart]

this is my first season using Nero. invested in her 10/10/10 OL5 SR15 doll. used the typical Moran/Nero/Helm/Rap team.

it's been pretty bad? Nikke Deck says I should have 2.5RL, but the burst gen is so slow they all die to 2RL Scarlet or Cindy teams. Moran will burst right before Scarlet but the effect doesn't apply before Scarlet ult damage hits and they get blown up

might go back to Moran/Biscuit shell because at least that can tank easier

[sleek imp]

All you

[stiff oasis]

I don’t have Trina

[umbral belfry]

believe

[sleek imp]

I've picked all the right one you wont fail any of us

[umbral belfry]

yeah no pressure

[worldly osprey]

i and him fight to decide who top 2 in sp (just because no one beat us so just tickets free y not XD). he use macro so he fight back immediately. then sometimes my def work. he spend super a lot gem for nothing LOL

[umbral belfry]

your t2 might not be 2 rl with feed with scar blanc rh, so you can try scar lap+ rh centi (quantum) jackal (quantum). that'll bring you to 2 rl to hopefully wipe

their t2 is very slow too

[umbral belfry]

are your others sr15/skill 10s?

[swift mango]

My C2 has no qualms about gemming so over time I just use him as a test target. Some days I forgot to hit him because there was nothing to test.

[umbral belfry]

with helm 17 cs it should be 2.5

might need rapu 2.5 depending on who the 5th member is though

example, rapu would also need 17

but if you used lapt/xmaid, you'd just need helm 17

[pure moss]

what's your take on this?

It looks like I'm losing

[umbral belfry]

I have grave news

[pure moss]

bad rng team placement again

[wheat heart]

yes everything is invested correctly

I can show a video of a match

[pure moss]

would have won if I face his scarlet with mine

[umbral belfry]

T1 lose, blanc is stunned and even though they have no bisc, cindy will wipe
T2 W (sgs hitting rapu to mana and then rapu again. but by then your rosa should've already bursted and hopefully nuked helm)
T3 rng due to soda
T4 L
T5 W

[umbral belfry]

who's your 5th member?

pray for t3 killa

[worldly osprey]

im use rookie to test. he in sp too ez to beat, cant test anything . he just try copy my def team for nothing. copy soda scar with soda not built and in p4 LOL

[wheat heart]

xMaiden with CS

[umbral belfry]

yeah that's a 2.5 team then. weird, I was under the impression that an invested nero moran stall team beats out 2 rl scar and cindy

[wheat heart]

she did burst right before scarlet ult hit but there was like a delay in moran buff getting applied and moran/helm/maiden died

[umbral belfry]

oof

[wheat heart]

nero burst went through and then nothing

i am going to try it with quantum cubes next season

it might be they had like a 1.8RL team

since they had scarlet trina jackal

[umbral belfry]

that could be it

[umbral belfry]

I think it's recommended for tempering, I also suggest asking @umbral crown as they do stall comps often

[wheat heart]

i was going to keep tempering in moran/nero but just put quantum on rap/maiden/helm

maybe give me a half-second burst speed increase which would fix the issue

[worthy knoll]

It applies as long Moran burst first, Moran Burst is has no delay

[wheat heart]

hmmmm, maybe she didn't burst then and rap did

i saw nero burst go

[worthy knoll]

Did you have your CS lines?

[wheat heart]

yes

[worthy knoll]

It needs at least HelmT at 18%+

Who is your flex unit?

Check in rookie, or your CA vid, the moment your HelmT hits her third shot, it should be 100% already

Assuming you were using Laplace+

[wheat heart]

was using xMaiden

ill check

[worthy knoll]

Should be fine then, HelmT is supposed to be the kicker

XMaiden/Rapu third shot is not needed

Though I don't know what Scar your opponent has, but as long its not a Blanc

And just single buff, it should be tankable

Two buffs, it still can but you are at the mercy of crit proc

Three buffs, okay you prolly will not survive unless your opponent attack is so low or the burst is a slow burst (SBS, SAnis)

[wet crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/steve-harvey-steve-nani-what-shake-gif-17474013

[umbral belfry]

make it

[wet crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/pernalonga-meme-pernalonga-no-no-não-nao-gif-27211143

I havent checked my matchup

I'll check it soon

[umbral belfry]

🗣️

[wet crystal]

My luck should've ended today tho, cuz I need the rest of my luck for banner pulls

[umbral belfry]

sir you are too locked into zzz

@wet crystal it'll come down to t5 for you, unless your stall team is 2.5 and not 3

<@&946725432554836008>

but if you win t1 you won't need t5

[wet crystal]

that'd require my rapu to be 17% and only helm is 21% lol

logging in to defend my pilgrim tower spot

[placid bloom]

I took a quick glance and it does seem to come down to team 1

[umbral belfry]

alas 😭 i feel like you still win nonetheless

I think folian wins t1 bc blanc doesn't taunt

but it really is just rng

but if he doesn't win t1 then he wins t5

even if his stall team is

[wet crystal]

I think my blanc will die before she can burst... I must see their investment power

why is logging in so slooow... omg download

[umbral belfry]

you're so lucky his sg can't do anything to you bc that rosa would've put belt to ass

[vital turtle]

var 2 has let me hold 4th for a couple of weeks and I got my Rosanna to 7/10/10. what unit should i be building next?

[wet crystal]

I've had my cindy face 2 bays and they just tanked her nuke lel

[umbral belfry]

not surprising

and it might be 3 if I make it out

[wet crystal]

if w e make it out

[umbral belfry]

if we both lose together

[wet crystal]

is that a mihara t5? ppl still run mihara?

[umbral belfry]

yeah

but her DoT should_ be null due to your stall team, even if not invested

[wet crystal]

incomplete investments, mana and nero at 2 OL, rapu and moran at 1, I need more gears to feed em

and if I get lucky in the SR, someone gonna get an sr doll

[umbral belfry]

me with nero sr5

soon

but yeah you should win overall

but t1 is tricky

and cindy p5 saved your ass 😭

[wet crystal]

fr, I was gonna leave her at p3 as usual

[umbral belfry]

[shell hazel]

Hime, lock in

Folian, lock in

[umbral belfry]

im locked in hippo 🔏

[shell hazel]

glad to hear it

[wet crystal]

[sleek imp]

RESETSS

[umbral belfry]

why do I gotta have the hardest fight

[wet crystal]

if you guys wish me good pulls in zzz I'll lock back in pve pushing

[umbral belfry]

I don't like zzz so unfortunately I shan't

[shell hazel]

I don't play ZZZ either so I'm with Hime

[umbral belfry]

folian about to lose his 50/50

[sleek imp]

league of legend alike elo system

[umbral belfry]

i will say that if i do end up beating ace, i like my chances

but that's an if

[shell hazel]

2 RL purples amazing lol

[placid bloom]

reported

[umbral belfry]

@ mods

[shell hazel]

hopefully I have enough

[umbral belfry]

2 purple SMG dolls

[wet crystal]

holy- what's with that number of purples

[shell hazel]

I do lol

[umbral belfry]

saving up for next treasures in less than a month

[shell hazel]

hmm I'm not sure, I feel like I can spend a bit here on existing treasures but maybe pays to wait and see some

[gilded sluice]

worked exceptionally well, thanks again!

[shell hazel]

should I switch Rapunzel over to SR-5? Feels like having her being tankier might be better than say Trina or Rumani?

[umbral belfry]

i'd do rapu yeah

[shell hazel]

indom Jackal! 😮

[tropic summit]

wow even better than expected, the SGs managed to make the link die to scarlet s2 even before B3 got off

[shell hazel]

eventually can do them all tbh, just need more solo raids and such

[tropic summit]

thank for the video, this was curious

[umbral belfry]

i lean toward rapu bc of eventual stall team over trina and rumani

also sr5 rapu is just more ideal vs those 2

maybe save the extra purple doll to see next treasures

[gilded sluice]

you're welcome, this T3 was interesting to watch indeed

[shell hazel]

yeah it's an idea for sure 🙂

I also lean towards it because rapu not being dead means b1 res potential

[umbral belfry]

[shell hazel]

you tend to keep biscuit / trina / rumani out of direct harm a fair bit as well

I might use my doll selector for Moran

Rail

[tropic summit]

temperance was a good call, without you'd probably lose scarlet or it would cut it very close

then again you'd be indomming jackal or alice which would end up out-trading low HP emi and/or jackal

that's HP status once SGs were deleted

temperance did lovely

[gilded sluice]

definitely.
as a mostly pve player im just amazed at how much things you have to consider when cooking up a team, like, every single variable counts

[tropic summit]

opponent here is running overall decent teams, this is one of those few cases you wanna nitpick at details

[gilded sluice]

yea this guy knows his stuff thus it was really hard to come up with a counter for a non generic team like that

[oak gale]

anyone knows if i should trust this? won all the guesses so far and im going for thw winning border

[late tiger]

emilia reached 38% today

[shell hazel]

@tropic summit please check when you get a mo #pvp-arena message
I wish I knew but I have been number 1 in SPA by pure force that I don't get to fight anyone 😄

[vague slate]

yaaas!!

[shell hazel]

you too?

[vague slate]

SG as my second one but I'm very happy about it

[placid bloom]

I got 2 purple MG doll, one for Ros one for Soda

[shell hazel]

awesome sounds like we all got useful stuff

[placid bloom]

I got 3 blue sniper doll though with no sniper to build because no RH

maybe next year

[shell hazel]

I trade blues down until I have 2 spare of each type for now, not that many new units coming out I need to build

[umbral belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/yugioh-should-been-gif-23901254

[vague slate]

part of me wants to give it to raven

[umbral belfry]

i mean with her buffs (pve) it wouldn't be a horrible choice. but i'd wait

[placid bloom]

well summer is quite a while away

and that's the earliest we'd get new units

[umbral belfry]

that, and new treasures. i'd wait imo

new treasures are less than a month away

[placid bloom]

unless you plan on building A2

[vague slate]

pretty bad choice I think

everyone crying for a piece of this doll

[umbral belfry]

lap is right there

LapT is pretty good

i use her for both pvp and tower

[vague slate]

ooo true, tower too! I'm at 50 on her materials now

[umbral belfry]

Treasure soon

[tropic summit]

updated because chatgpt inverted info on 4th line somehow

[vague slate]

I do love iron units

[shell hazel]

man AI can just be wrong sometimes lol, I've seen it confidently say lies 😄

[tropic summit]

it interpreted "minus" as in "turn opposite", i guess it was lazy writing on my end tho

[shell hazel]

who is our 2RL moran/helm good against?

[umbral belfry]

bisc and not bay

[placid bloom]

just SG

[umbral belfry]

scar would eat that alive

[placid bloom]

and maybe 2RL Scar Jackal if Moran can solo the remaining 2 non-links

okay into random garbage like Blanc RH too

[tropic summit]

that's a bayless/noahless/neroless variant of stall team

-is biscuit locked
-has anti nuke (DR stacking with moran and temperance)
-has sustain
-has splash dmg
-it's single buff scarlet resistant

[umbral belfry]

i have my doubts whether single buff scar fails to kill that

moran would survive due to bisc though

[tropic summit]

you see this lady here?

[umbral belfry]

but afterwards it's

i do see best girl

but for her to be enough to block single buff scar? ehhh. maybe if it was a stacked moran

[shell hazel]

I analysed my top 8 teams and it basically looks like this, most are running the same type of teams with 1 or 2 exceptions

[placid bloom]

non-crit single buff Scar definitely won't kill through Moran, but there is always crit RNG

[umbral belfry]

bad rng and no crit

[shell hazel]

nero + moran variant likely 2.5RL with some CS

[placid bloom]

I do think Moran solos 2 batteries though, defenders basically can never get over her Def ramp

[tropic summit]

it's not likely, it has to be else bayonara to scarlet 2RL

[placid bloom]

assuming all 3 links die to Helm nuke

[tropic summit]

if you don't get B1 noise or moran going, that's a free scarlet breakfast

[shell hazel]

my LapT actually arrived with 15% CS out of the box

[placid bloom]

but if you're doing 2RL Scar with no Jackal then I think Moran loses

[umbral belfry]

im forced to keep jacka on scar team until i get her more cs

my sbs team will continue to be scuffed

[shell hazel]

i'm trying to add some CS to helm next

no luck so far

[umbral belfry]

for me it's noah

[vapid lake]

#1387117456912289823 message does this affect pvp too?

any knowers

[umbral belfry]

rosy in shambles

don't think anyone is using ein in my top 8 so i can't confirm

but if so then imagine losing bc of that 😭

time to close down SR again

[shell hazel]

not seen a single Ein either

this bug looks more fatal for SR lol https://discord.com/channels/946719263866101821/1386986214846107749

[umbral belfry]

more rewards

[shell hazel]

hope so

[shell hazel]

yes I do think she'll eat rocks 😦

[tropic summit]

the direct upgrade would be this

as for rosanna, you don't want to use her yet, keep her for when def break we can then alter T1 and T3 with siren and rosanna

your next step is getting emi on 21%CS or if you feeling bold 38%CS

[spring ore]

That's gonna be difficult, she's not even with 1 limit break

[tropic summit]

going by investiment, i'd say rise utilities CP, get emi to 21%CS if not already, jackal/helm/centi/trina/rumani on 17%CS is also extra help

overall rest of your pvp units looks well invested

[tropic summit]

LB as battery isn't really needed, 21% or 38CS% allows you to hit better burst gen thresholds

in general emi as main B3 on defense is too easily abusable

as a off-burst splasher or burst gen battery on the other hand she's useful

[limber patrol]

which pvp characters should I SR15?

like must

and why

[tropic summit]

main B3s, main tanks

[limber patrol]

even Moran and Noise?

[spring ore]

Oh great! any change in the cubes they're using?

[limber patrol]

B3 have max except for SAnis and Rei

[tropic summit]

SR15 most relevant aspect is the extra DR you get, which doubles as important on attackers to resist rosanna or on moran/bay/nero/noah/noise to tank better

SR15 also especially useful on scarlet to run her in risky deficit teams

[limber patrol]

extra Damage Reduction?

alright

which one first?

they all SR5

[gilded sluice]

i don't know the context but did you train it nikke data?

[tropic summit]

T1
siren temperance
scarlet any high lvl
trina quantum
xmaiden quantum
jackal quantum

T2
noise vigor
centi quantum
cindy any high lvl
helmt prefer resil or adjutant if you can hit 17%CS with it
rumani quantum

T3

noah temperance
biscuit vigor
emilia any high lvl
laplace any high lvl
RH any high lvl

[tropic summit]

nope, it was just to make a table out of info i typed down

some ppl here tried feeding it matrixes before to get some sort of better automated predictions but it seems they failed

[gilded sluice]

ohhh i see, i was thinking it would be cool to make a model, feed it nikke data and train it on fights

[tropic summit]

depends on what you using, from the looks of it noah and jackal, followed by noise and moran (moran strictly for CA)

[gilded sluice]

surely it's because they didn't use "you are a senior nikke pvp player" prompt

[shell hazel]

you are nikke pvp sensei prompt

[limber patrol]

did Noise first, she's the only one that dies

Does the dmg reduction also help Jackal's dmg taken from links?

or if she gets hit, links receive less dmg?

[shell hazel]

actually not a bad shout I boosted my noise to SR-15 as well. Moran usually has a biscuit or similar so is tankier without the SR-15

plus Noise is in my SPA teams

[tropic summit]

ye distributed dmg is reduced if it's jackal taking it

1. she's defender class, has naturally higher def stats
2. if she's running temperance and SR15 over other linked units that are not, you take less dmg distributed then on the link

[west lynx]

Hello, may I ask for your pvp assistance again please? ^^
I just got helm treasure. 🙂

[tropic summit]

if helm treasure is phase 2 and s1 lvl 10, you can upgrade T3 from 3RL to 2RL, making them essentially burst faster

[lilac holly]

who win?

[gritty ridge]

[crystal flicker]

Right

[alpine frost]

How do you counter Siren/Noah/FItem Helm/Biscuit/Noah in Arena?

I've tried mirroring and even with CP advantage I'm losing. It's actually really confusing. I took a look at the stats breakdown at the end of the match and I am being significantly outdamaged so I'm assuming there is some OL line magic at work, but other than that I have no explanation.

[calm gull]

@swift mango
good luck bud
||sorry I cheer your opponent for the unlucky frame||

[shell hazel]

damn Noah so powerful she is there twice 😄

[sleek imp]

Noah power

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/noah-laugh-nikke-pilgrim-kusogaki-gacha-game-gif-16829301136255588421

[umbral crown]

[umbral belfry]

[umbral crown]

Quatum not gonna really help, tempering is what makes the team strong

And against scar trina or blan team gonna die, mine did today in CA

[umbral crown]

[raven plover]

did you make it to top 8

[umbral crown]

Nope, lost again in top 16

[raven plover]

https://tenor.com/view/sadge-cliff-sad-saaadge-gif-18209034

[signal hull]

Yeah I'm definitely working on tempering now.
Lost to a r-tarded shotgun team, my Scar team didn't even have a chance to burst as 2RL!

[wheat heart]

good to know. i'll stick with tempering then

[nimble swan]

can you help me what's that icon highlighted?

it's something new i just noticed it now

[nimble swan]

wow so a helpful new feature, thx

[alpine frost]

Whoops lmao I meant Siren/Noah/FItem Helm/Biscuit/Jackal

[shell hazel]

that's a 2RL helm nuke team

[crystal flicker]

He really added 25% cs lol

[shell hazel]

could try to send something like this at it, but record if you can and check the cp is above 85%

indom scarlet may also work (or an SBS variant of this)

[alpine frost]

Rookie Arena is down for now due to season reset, I'll see about screencapping it tomorrow.

Wouldn't RRH into Jackal be bad? I try to avoid running high rate of fire units into her.

[shell hazel]

it does feed a bit yes but you're 2RL as well, so even if they burst a bit quicker it's only helm bursting, and your noah should b2 sooner than their B3

try both variants there if you can and record, the goal of Rapi is that she has good damage after burst with some AOE, so after Noah wears off she can keep smashing away

bear in mind they are also SMG into your jackal feeding you

[alpine frost]

Generally what happens is both of us go through our first burst cycle, Noah invulnerability cancels everything out temporarily, then both Noahs get stunned but mine dies first and it all falls apart from there. I'm running the same team against it atm with about a 20k CP advantage, so nothing the game would penalize my opponent for. For whatever reason, he is doing WAY more damage than I am though.

[shell hazel]

running strict mirror comps is usually a bad idea

[alpine frost]

It was the only thing I could think of, I had some success swapping in Ein as my nuke. It only worked for a couple days and then I switched to Red Hood. That also worked for a couple days and now we're here.

[shell hazel]

I think you'd be fine running Rapi at p1 as well with the link for max jackal feed

[raven flume]

mirror mirror on the wall, who's rocket whiff will take the fall

[shell hazel]

she'll get stunned by siren a bit though

if your Ros is built also can try this

[alpine frost]

This is the deepest I've had to dig into the PVP meta so far, I have basic team building down I think and have done well til now. Still at 2nd in SP Arena and 2nd in Rookie consistently, but this dude goes out of his way to use all of his daily attempts on me and it's past the point of me taking it personally, so I have to start working on it a bit harder now.

[raven flume]

the mald will make u come out on top

[alpine frost]

I'm not too proud to admit it lol

And since I'm done with campaign/stuck in Hard Mode I don't have anything else to spend the resources on so I guess I'll start OL'ing the meta PVP units i haven't yet.

As long as it doesn't brick my account when the new chapters drop.

[raven flume]

it's a fun difference in approach compared to pve, tbh, but yeah

[shell hazel]

it shouldn't do tbh, where are you in hard mode?

I'm malding 26-17 atm lol

[alpine frost]

Stuck at Mother Whale

I'm at a pretty deep CP gap for the boss, I have the cheese Doro/Modernia comp built but my main campaign team works better. It will just take time.

[shell hazel]

[alpine frost]

https://tenor.com/view/ashamed-shame-hide-disappear-embarrassed-gif-20827453

[shell hazel]

I was this for whale

[alpine frost]

That makes it seem like I should be able to easily get past where I'm at...

[shell hazel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhE7hO-AjlQ

watch this for how to do it with that team, I used RH B1 at the start to smash a couple of ports, needs luck on the missiles not killing someone

mob waves it was just a case of getting lucky killing them with Rapi before they killed me lol

elite wave needs crown timing for burst

[crystal flicker]

And here I am still at 16 Hard boss

[shell hazel]

slacking 😄

I push my pvp as much as I can but also my pve for the passive outpost income

[crystal flicker]

I just want to get that 16 lowest clear

49.9% deficits

[shell hazel]

[umbral crown]

[alpine frost]

noted

[plucky charm]

will a 2rl beat this? noah-cindy or scar-jack (liter or siren p1 to take stun)

[shell hazel]

good luck Guacamole, I basically did what they did in that video to get through it haha. Not an easy fight. I needed sync 321 for Nihil 2.0

[alpine frost]

It's been a while since I attempted it, I just looked and my CP is WAAAAAAY closer than I remember.

[alpine frost]

I'm at 363. Just need to git gud

[shell hazel]

yeah it seems skill issue 😛

[crystal flicker]

Depend on their CS, they could be getting Indom before your Scarlet

[shell hazel]

lock in

[alpine frost]

good thing I don't have an ego problem or that would get under my skin lol

The game is deeper than people give it credit for. It's always nice to learn something new.

[plucky charm]

this is the other team i can attack. im not good at timing emi burst because i have CS

[shell hazel]

I mean it in a nice way, go and smash it, you can do it at your sync np

and then the next few chapters tbh

[alpine frost]

I fully expect to steamroll everything after Mother Whale until Mirror Container. Then i expect to be stuck for A LONG time. I never learned that fight I just outmuscled it.

[shell hazel]

late 20 chapters are quite tough still, but you should be free to roam a bit after MW

[tropic summit]

use 2RL stall helmT, just don't run noah in p1

noise jackal helmt laplace noah for example

i'm assuming that's rookie so it's overcomitted

[alpine frost]

Thank you friend. Hope to have a good update soon.

[shell hazel]

I'm off to sleep gn, but go and get er done soon 🙂

[tropic summit]

[alpine frost]

good night sweet prince lol

[crystal flicker]

Top might have better chance tbh, use Scarlet Siren or Soda

or Rail's comp

[plucky charm]

will this work too? i need jackal to scar-jack the other team

[plucky charm]

im sketched about fighting blanc indom teams, i usually try not to

[crystal flicker]

He needs more than 21% CS to catch up with 2RL Scarlet

[plucky charm]

nvm someone attacked me when i was figuring this out
thanks tho

[wheat heart]

can try shotgun to nuke scarlet down before indom then soda burst to wipe the rest

[tropic summit]

show the entire enemy lineup makes it easier, if you got a recent box that also helps

but ye against indom scar you generally want a combo of noah + noise + helmT or a p1 defender + biscuit that gets x2 stacks

[plucky charm]

it was these two teams they had and then some throwaway team

someone attacked me when i was in here typing so im just gonna chill at c10 i guess I cant see this guy to attack anymore anyways

[tropic summit]

these 3 examples should give you a good idea of what you wanna go for in general

use these as reference when you dealing against indom

in your case keep in mind noah cannot be used in p1, so arrange as needed (noise p1 or jackal p1 or noah in p5 split tanking with noise with helmT sustain)

[alpine frost]

LOL Amazing advice. 10/10 would listen to again.

[plucky charm]

oh yeah sweet, thank you

[tulip quest]

Yea that is like the most hated boss in Nikke I just used SMOL WHITE on that 1 hard campaign so annoying the mechanics

[crystal flicker]

They call me Tempering

Now I just need another war to get this to 5 slot

[spiral onyx]

Tfw 4 of the top 8 are using my cooks lol

[keen vapor]

Waos

I could never

[spiral onyx]

EVAC and SPIKEMAN are copying my teams exactly while my guildie is running one of my old cooks

[umbral belfry]

felt that hard

don't let em win

[umbral crown]

Tempura

[umbral crown]

Now you could watch how mirror works with different investments

[crystal flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/ebi-fry-fried-shrimp-gif-11570807

[spiral onyx]

I think they shuffled the orders around a bit so it'll actually be proper rock paper scissors

[crystal flicker]

or they might have 2RL 25% CS

[spiral onyx]

Oh man, this is actually wild

I think EVAC and SPIKEMAN will both win their matchups

So they get to fight each other

And the winner gets to fight me

https://tenor.com/view/the-universe-tim-and-eric-mind-blown-mind-blown-meme-mind-explosion-mind-explosion-meme-gif-18002878

https://youtu.be/jWJS2xjF7cM

[umbral crown]

The biggest reward

[umbral crown]

Waos, will be an interesting final

[oblique ridge]

pve in my pvp

j/k, grats

[alpine frost]

Sorry, I was asking for help against a specific team comp and it derailed into where I was stuck in Hard Mode campaign because I'm still using resources on campaign units and not Meta PVP Nikkes lol

[crystal flicker]

I'm using data from top 8 to make CA comp, but I lose before even reaching top 8

[alpine frost]

I did that this season and got matched up with the winner of last season in the round of 16. It happens

[crystal flicker]

And the guy who beats me just lose at r16 lmao

[umbral crown]