pvp-arena

[shell hazel]

yes I lost last one so I suspect it's dead this one also

[worthy knoll]

Moran shouldn't fall that quick though

[placid bloom]

might be L/W/W/?/L then, r4 really depends on whether their stall is actually invested

[shell hazel]

if I can get another quantum and I run same team again I'd use Rapi instead

fairly so, more than the other guy I faced

[placid bloom]

well the last one they both went to 2nd burst rotation, but both B1 are down for you because Moran already burst and RH used B3 but they get to Rumani + Biscuit

[shell hazel]

yeah I think 1 is a loss for me

[placid bloom]

your Blanc is lv10 burst or no?

[shell hazel]

yes she is

[placid bloom]

still hard, probably loss. It's so much heal

Rapu Mana Helm

[shell hazel]

yeah 😦

[worthy knoll]

If that is 100%+ Nero Moran, single buff SBS will fail

[shell hazel]

yeah they actually invested that team so it's hard to call it a win

[hollow lagoon]

lel

lwlww as predicted

[placid bloom]

L/W/W/L/L it is

wait your Drake is not p3 treasure?

[worthy knoll]

I even won an RH Blanced SBS too before

[shell hazel]

she is

[placid bloom]

okay

[shell hazel]

my opponents drake was not on previous one

[hollow lagoon]

@shell hazel nice u killed the #2 of my server

[shell hazel]

yup next one looks fatal though

[placid bloom]

actually hard to say for round 2 too, I feel like their are happier losing Noir than you are losing BSoda

[shell hazel]

my bsoda is the sac

[placid bloom]

yeah but they should be happy to take that trade

[shell hazel]

if I kill Noir + Anchor though they can't burst, so it depends

[placid bloom]

because there will be an extra SG volley after Ros bursts, which probably means DrakeT dies too whereas your Ros burst won't hit Anchor

so you burst Noir

[swift mango]

Your Soda did stun my Blanc as I guessed. Because my luck is shit.

Your LapT wasn't strong enough to kill my scar but neither do mine.

Just my SG team was better and my midhara team performed as expected.

[shell hazel]

yeah, we'll have to see I guess, I'll back myself just because but I don't have a lot of faith in winning it

[fast skiff]

@shell hazel question who wins this

[shell hazel]

ideally you would do the deck vs deck thing to make comparing them easier

like I do here: #pvp-arena message

add/save both decks then you use the option in the left menu and add both, I personally prefer defender at the top

in CA position right/bottom is always defender, left/top is attacker

[hollow lagoon]

My rosana needs more work

It seems

2 ele roll can’t take out enemy helm

Tis was only a core 5 helm

[shell hazel]

I think core 5 helm is my highest core unit 😄

[umbral belfry]

well well well

[shell hazel]

well well wellllllllllllllllllll 😦

not well actually look at how dead my team is lol

[umbral belfry]

[shell hazel]

[swift mango]

RubianaVol9SNWR

[shell hazel]

love me some codes

[swift mango]

SBS shared dmg actually make her pretty weak against stall. Even ASS should be better vs this stall.

[shell hazel]

damn some good seasons coming

[swift mango]

Use Rapipi in stall team?

[shell hazel]

dunno feel like she'd be more useful here than RH

but ultimately I can't anyway without changing teams about or getting more quantums

I'll review what I want to change for next season after this one has deaded

[sleek imp]

Has anyone analysis those two in CA?

[shell hazel]

def on top?

[raven plover]

@ aceross

[sleek imp]

Aceross is winig this right?

[sleek imp]

Hes winning? What does "@" mean

[raven plover]

the guy is in this server

[sleek imp]

o

[placid bloom]

I don't analyze prev champ, I just vote for them

[sleek imp]

let me just plug these units into the nikke deck and vote for who has more faster RL comp

[fast skiff]

yes

[placid bloom]

nah you have to learn the matchup if you didn't get both frame yet

[jolly maple]

is it possible to 2RL a blanc biscuit comp?

[placid bloom]

with Helm or Emilia I think, other carry no

Helm not worth though

[jolly maple]

why not indom with lifesteal

[shell hazel]

don't quote me on this but I feel like it's (from POV of defender here) L/W/W/L/W

match 2 it depends how the SG's chomp through the team, they'll kill rumani quick prob, maybe Helm, then cindy team is no longer 2RL and Noise/Noah might die due to taunt etc

[placid bloom]

but yeh it's basically just Emilia 2RL or you 2RL attacker Blanc Jackal p5 with no Biscuit. Those are your real options

[jolly maple]

what comp we use for blanc outside scar jack and sg

[placid bloom]

vs Noah no Biscuit I guess

[sleek imp]

I dont think theres any competition

[placid bloom]

any type of weaker stall

[lunar pawn]

time to analyze my next match

[fast skiff]

kk

[placid bloom]

otherwise Blanc usually not amazing

[jolly maple]

guess I'm brick again

[placid bloom]

most of the matchups are just not good for her unless you weaken your other teams a lot to put batteries on her team

[jolly maple]

so blanc is out of placement for sp arena huh

[placid bloom]

you need to commit Jackal + 2 other clip to get generic 2RL Blanc with other attacker

[sleek imp]

winnable?

[placid bloom]

which is too heavy investment

so only really viable with Emilia

[shell hazel]

you can 2RL blanc biscuit but yeah quite expensive

[quick lake]

Rent a gf s4

[shell hazel]

pretty pointless I wouldn't run it

[placid bloom]

nah you wouldn't bother Biscuit if you're on Jackal

[shell hazel]

or rumani instead

jackal elsewhere for link

[placid bloom]

only reason you'd Biscuit is if you're doing Blanc p1

but it just doesn't work

[shell hazel]

well I guess any def p1 also fine, but blanc can

I like defenders either side if I run biscuit to prevent SG chaining

Helm indom rubbish though

[placid bloom]

nah this dies to AoE nuke anyway, you're getting indom Rumani. Main purpose of Blanc is to same speed into something squishy like Scar Trina and just wipe with 1 char alive

but this won't wipe

[shell hazel]

no this is awful

I feel like blanc works best with jackal to control indom best

or you just skip blanc in general and run other stuff, and jackal with scarlet instead

[placid bloom]

you either go Blanc p1 Emilia p2 Biscuit or you don't bother Biscuit at all tbh

[shell hazel]

I like biscuit with moran, though the team is also natively slower

[shell hazel]

too much of a dumpster fire for me lol

[swift mango]

Need 2 Jackal and Blanc linked.

[swift mango]

You could lose this if you Noah got one shotted by Rossanna before she burst

[shell hazel]

it's not my match I think def team with SG has a chance to win it

my matches are .. not looking fab for me 😄

[umbral belfry]

I think my match will depend on our t1 3 rl noah cindy mirror

good ol rng

[swift mango]

SG in Def? Then they have a worse chance to win. I thought they were AtK.

[shell hazel]

top is def

[placid bloom]

gotta make unique comp to not encounter mirror match

easier to analyze

[umbral belfry]

I feel like I win the mirror given our differences in noise investment though

[shell hazel]

these are my matches, I'm top/def

[swift mango]

They don't play Rossanna, Scarlet, Cindy, Blanc.

[placid bloom]

there is enough clip SG to make 2 full SG team, nobody will expect it

ofc some of them are bad, like P23

[shell hazel]

I was trying to make semi-unique cooks on my teams tbh, just to avoid running the same exact teams as everyone else

[swift mango]

But it will be easier to get mirror SG because you bring 2sg team

[shell hazel]

P23 is underrated 😉

2RL SBS indom actually worked well but ... needs another battery we don't have

[keen vapor]

Pinne

[swift mango]

Product 23 is one of the reasons you lose SG mirror.

[keen vapor]

[shell hazel]

Product 23 with 12 black lines will win, trust

[vague slate]

Your noise must be so tanky 😎

[lunar pawn]

thoughts? top attacker, bottom defender

thinking attacker:
t1 win
t2 lose
t3 lose
t4 lose
t5 win

[strong hull]

Blood-kun

I need that manhwa again

[swift mango]

On the other hand, my drake was too tanky versus a low level Scar and lost because their Scarlet couldn't kill my drake thus team not getting faster.

[strong hull]

The first one you rec me

[umbral belfry]

7/7/10 skills

[fast skiff]

oh yea defenders viper is treasured if that changes anything i heard ur not suppose to

[shell hazel]

🐳

[keen vapor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1026322546934698004.gif?size=48&animated=true&name=whyyysnapped

[swift mango]

You mean it's name?

[umbral belfry]

[strong hull]

Yes

[shell hazel]

it's not full treasured

full treasure is

[strong hull]

Echocho-san

[fast skiff]

ah i see

[shell hazel]

but people will disagree with what I suggested, and I can definitely be wrong 😄

[swift mango]

https://comick.io/comic/i-killed-an-academy-player/x35ZUNLI-chapter-69.5-en

You mean this one?

[clear folio]

hime ur opponents 5 teams looks very familiar

[shell hazel]

you can get some more opinions for your cheer

[keen vapor]

you only read harem

[strong hull]

Perfect

[umbral belfry]

wait did they copy your teams ace? 😭

[strong hull]

[umbral belfry]

I didn't even notice if they did

[clear folio]

all 24 units including placement minus anchor instead of viper

[umbral belfry]

watch them not copy your 2.5 rl investments though

[strong hull]

Well im interested in big brain cool asf mc too

Have some?

[shell hazel]

if they have a harem as well then

[strong hull]

[swift mango]

I'm out of harem manhwa in my bookmark since I don't read them much and drop most of them. And you are also not needing Manga ones.

So unless you are okay with Manhua harem. Or reverse harem Manhwa. Don't need to look for me anymore.

[clear folio]

they have 70k cp p1s, ez win. pls destroy em

[strong hull]

No i dont wanna gae harem

[umbral belfry]

i will be the more dominant noise

also the way we both fought our copycat teams from someone else lmfao

[strong hull]

If ure out of harem which meant i have been read all harem category stuff

[clear folio]

his moran is shit!

[strong hull]

Let go

[umbral belfry]

tbh my sgs might kill his moran

they killed a 69k moran, so it's not impossible

[keen vapor]

Big brain...... Kaiji?

[clear folio]

trust!

[shell hazel]

Kakegurui

[strong hull]

Well i can read isekai too

[keen vapor]

Kaiji 🫵

[strong hull]

[keen vapor]

Watch the anime

[shell hazel]

[vague slate]

Goals, gl on your match!

[umbral belfry]

same to you!

[shell hazel]

it's not allowed Hime

[umbral belfry]

[shell hazel]

you can't be more invested in Noise than me

[vague slate]

Thanks u, kind of lucky for me to make it this far especially just comparing everyone’s dolls

[umbral belfry]

that'll teach you to not invest in noise

[shell hazel]

damn, got em!

I am but I need burst manuals 😦

[swift mango]

Finally, I was able to record this game shit luck.

[shell hazel]

Noise/Trina/Biscuit to 10 burst gonna take a bit 😦

oh and Siren for my pve

once those are done though will be in a good position 🙂

[mint fog]

whoa wasn't expecting this response.

[ionic rose]

any suggestions for this team?

[keen vapor]

Gem him back

[mint fog]

he didn't win.... was my other "rival" that won. Will get him back at reset.

[keen vapor]

Quantum cubes

[keen vapor]

Gem
-# No

[ionic rose]

like other than quantum cubes the team looks ok?

[mint fog]

buy me gems.

[upper grove]

Who wins here, top is attacker:
P1 Top wins vs indom cause sbs hits into moran + biscuit?
P2 bot helm nukes top helm, will cindy still nuke or will top not gen enough burst with dead helm?
P3 bot wins
P4 top indom should win even with sbs being stunned right?
P5 top wins

Am I missing something or should top win

[swift mango]

Biscuit to 10 burst.

[swift mango]

Just open that Comick website every other comic is Harem.

Type "Academy" into the search every of them are harem. Or "slow life". "Ranker" , "return", .etc

50% of the new comic are harem.

You can never read all harem. No worry

Also, it's sexist to call reverse harem gay. Girls are allowed to have harem too.

[fast skiff]

oh yea Cereal said i’m defending what difference does that make defender is bottom top is attacker

[umbral belfry]

[swift mango]

I'm gonna pull for raven. Wish me luck

[umbral belfry]

🐦‍⬛

[swift mango]

Done

[umbral belfry]

easy

[swift mango]

Much better than 162 for Eve.

[keen vapor]

...................... Yes

[keen vapor]

I'm F2P

[keen vapor]

[ionic rose]

[swift mango]

[keen vapor]

I prefer to miss like that than not having enough bullets

[strong hull]

King arthur and his giga sword

[swift mango]

Guess that's all you could remember for this gem.

[strong hull]

[keen vapor]

WATCH KAIJI ANIME 🫵

[strong hull]

Ok

[worldly osprey]

lol i forgot rossan s2 can prevents self from being the target. i just think i can kill rossan then no one burst 1 in ur team XD. and i never think my stall team can win that super nuke miranha vs emi. my lapt built 20% cs just have 36% ele and 24% atk. btw congratulations

[swift mango]

It's not super nuke because I was bursting with Noise.

And thanks

[worldly osprey]

oh yeah now i watch replay and see that

just go and get 3rd champion. no one can stop u now

team blanc + rhh rh 2.5rl not strong like i think. hmm maybe i will go back with blanc sanis next season

[heady peak]

Which team should win here?

or is it 50/50?

[grand plaza]

First wins probably, pepper feeds

[worldly osprey]

lol anis get indom wtf u not lucky when ur blanc got stun and i not lucky too when blanc burst on anis

[swift mango]

Thanks. Christ and Moon also have good teams though. I will have to see my luck.

[swift mango]

It's midhara hitting you Anis lol. Cope with her SR HP low already. Maybe give her Vigor if you do Indom without biscuit, Rapu or Jackal next time.

Even if Indom on RH you would still lose because Biscuit block.

[worldly osprey]

i think cuz anis have share dmg i wish i have more temper so rhh maybe not die

[swift mango]

Read midhara skill lol... She has dot on everyone randomly. Anis doesn't have share dmg, I hoped she had it too when I just started but her share dmg only start after 30 second into the fight...

[mystic rain]

anyone wannna give their thoughts on this defense setup

[worldly osprey]

wait the whole time after rhh die. anis always get more hp than rh. dot miranha not much cant lower hp rh

[swift mango]

It counted the HP they had left, not the HP%. 80% from your RH should still be higher than 90% of your SR Anis.

[worldly osprey]

this is time blanc use burst

[swift mango]

That's what I said

[worldly osprey]

what. really

[high stream]

Random question .. do the top PvP players in this game .. u know, those that reach Champion Arena .. actually have all skills at 10/10/10 for PvP units?

[swift mango]

Yeah, check their stats in your box.

And you would see

[vague slate]

Not all the units !

[unique wagon]

Has anyone figured out Raven's burst gen in PvP?

[high stream]

Really? I also thought .. I guess there are some units where further skill investment has very very small returns .. but if u compete at the absolute top .. wouldn't you invest whatever even for a 1% increase in strength?

[worldly osprey]

thanks for the good information if i know that sooner and use centi replace anis. it still lose but at least rh got indom XD

[shell hazel]

we're still waiting for Raven fixes could change how burst gen works but initially doesn't look game changing

[swift mango]

It's in the middle between XMaiden and Noise last time we tested

[vague slate]

I’m not a top contender but from what it seems, it’s diminishing return esp when the match ups are rng based

I’m always in awe of everyone’s theory crafting and team comps, having more investment makes certain things cohesive & smoother

[shell hazel]

eventually I'll put my main SPA units up a bit for lesser used skills but I think 7 => 10 costs too much for random spend

you're better off investing in charge speed for all your batteries

[vague slate]

Yeah the 7->10 material cost is mind blowing

[shell hazel]

so I'll probably wind up with like 7/7/7 jackal/centi etc even though they're fine at 4/4/4

but I can't really see wanting 10/10/10 here when I could build new units or raid units

[swift mango]

My jack is 1055

[vague slate]

7/7/7 is at least very feasible & nice for SP cp padding

10s I’m planning to only reserve for the dps carries or core units

[swift mango]

If you pad, may as well get the skill that could help first, like biscuit s2+3, Noah 1+2, Jackal s1

[restive willow]

With CS, 4.92+4.63+3.16+2.12 (15) has same timing as 4.92+4.92+4.92 (15). But putting cs cube (2.12) on the second one should bump it to 17 and become faster, but it doesn't

Does it mean perhaps 18 is really the threshold for CS bump?

[vague slate]

I’m also rerolling for doll mats but it’s gonna take a while 😳

[shell hazel]

Blood is expert of doll matt re-rolling

[keen vapor]

@restive willow

@lusty gull what you say calc should be changed to 15?

[restive willow]

So 17% is a lie!

[keen vapor]

Ssssshhhh 🤫

[restive willow]

5 8 11 15 18 21 25 28 31 34? 38

[shell hazel]

I'd go a step further and say we should be able to select from the multiple breakpoints but guess it's messy from a UI perspective

[keen vapor]

As if we knew results for all that

Is either is fast enough or it doesn't

18 breakpoint is enough

[shell hazel]

right so I don't know how feasible that is, and if 15% is the same then 17% might be 15-17% not 18%

[keen vapor]

Calm down, we don't have that many sources of charge speed for first shot

[oblique ridge]

They can just add a section to select what you want to give, and then tap on the + to give it

So Charge Speed, click, see list of %s, pick the breakpoint you want. Then tap on all the +s you want to give it to

[restive willow]

I'm not angry lol just taking a jab at it because it's surprising the wrong knowledge is pretty wide spread

[keen vapor]

I don't think Patreon is funded enough for that

[restive willow]

15% isn't fast enough for 2.5RL. It's 3 frames short

[mystic rain]

dont know if this helps

[keen vapor]

Let me guess, it reached 46% CS on simulation room

[keen vapor]

So, this means

I was a Misinfo agent

@sharp nymph

[worldly osprey]

my jack 4 10 4

[quick lake]

yeah. I think can consider changing to 15%

[keen vapor]

In retrospective I knew this some time ago

Ever since I wanted to make a 4 RL Summer Anis team with Rapunzel

But Rapunzel had 4.92x3 (15) and speeded up to 3.5 RL

[restive willow]

It should be 18% no? Decrease 18 frames

[leaden canyon]

Noah doesn't get siren stunned in p1 if she has more charge speed than noise right?

[quick lake]

15% should still be able to B1 before B3 i think

if we’re aiming for 2.5rl time, it’s 21%cs i think

[restive willow]

B1 before B3 only needs 8% assuming 0%CS 2RL

[keen vapor]

I already told my Rapunzel experience

[quick lake]

Hmm yeah maybe 8%

[keen vapor]

..... Uh, this means Anis doesn't needs Adjutant

[restive willow]

This is because at 4 shots, you save more frames. 5*4=20, so 15% works

But at 3 shots, you need 6*3=18

[keen vapor]

@lusty gull take notes

[keen vapor]

Right

Needs higher breakpoint

[indigo path]

what are scarlet's breakpoints i need to hit for OL before i use in pvp?

[quick lake]

team wise needs 8%cs

[spiral onyx]

https://youtu.be/BchCq-zbw54

[oblique ridge]

Does Cinderella lose to Scarlet AoE if both of them burst at same time?

[quick lake]

no breakpoints. She just likes ammo crit rate and atk

[quick lake]

yes loses

[upper grove]

Scar burst is instant

[keen vapor]

But I want her for raid I want ele!

[quick lake]

find ele scar in #team-building instead

[upper grove]

For pvp you brick scarlet by having 32 ammo or more because of siren stun

[quick lake]

If u reallyyyy wanna minmax, then 30-32ammo scar, the rest bring atk crit rate

[indigo path]

what's my new sp arena lineup? :^)
ty in advance

[restive willow]

specifically 8% on p1-p2, 5% on p3-p5 for B1 before 2RL B3

super janky

[quick lake]

u tested?

[restive willow]

frame by frame

[quick lake]

oh wow! great to know

[lusty gull]

summary ?

[quick lake]

iirc, P1 and P2 should hit at the same time

[restive willow]

whoops you're right

[quick lake]

recent findings have shown that there are charge speed breakpoints i.e 15/18/21

[keen vapor]

I thought I was set with this piece Rheax

[quick lake]

So we were thinking to reduce the 17% number in ur app, to maybe 15%

[restive willow]

i took notes with "group 1" (p1 p2) "group 2" (p3 p4) "group 3" (p5) and "group 4" (snipers)

[shell hazel]

well ideally we can sim any breakpoint that is valid

[restive willow]

18% to knock down 3RL to 2.5RL, 15% to knock down 4RL to 3.5RL

[keen vapor]

17% is the same as 15%
18% is true breakpoint

15% may be enough to speed up a 4RL team but not a 3RL

[quick lake]

Im not 100% sure, but 2.5RL time should be 21% Cs no?

[restive willow]

25% CS for using 3RL B2 before 2RL B3

[quick lake]

yep thats the consensus for now

[restive willow]

well, 21% if your goal is to use b2 and not care about the proc. You will still die to scarlet

[keen vapor]

I need to charge speed Noah

[shell hazel]

what I mean is that the gui only lets you set 17% or 0% and presumably the valid breakpoints also matter

[restive willow]

For the time being, changing 17% to 18% should work

adding more breakpoints is more logic

[quick lake]

I think it might be only when Helm is 25%? Idk if RL with travelling time can B2 before B3

[keen vapor]

Thank you btw

[quick lake]

As in, for casual pvpers we can just recommend 8%/11%/15% whichever is better

[shell hazel]

so I need more CS for 2.5RL potential if my 15% doesn't act like 17% on the calc

[restive willow]

Helm 25% lets you beat 5SG B3 with your B3 iirc

[lusty gull]

yes, i already know, 17% was only from 50/3

but what should i do, show 15 or 18 ? hard to know, it's why i keep 17

[restive willow]

18 because the main usage is 2.5RL

[keen vapor]

Yeh

[lusty gull]

but 15 is probably enough too

[keen vapor]

Position dependant

[quick lake]

18% hits 2.5rl in 3 shots? i thought it was 21%

[lusty gull]

i think the same

[restive willow]

at 18% i'm unsure because you will use B1 burst on the exact same frame as 2RL B2, and same with B2 with 2RL B3

I haven't tested that

[quick lake]

[lusty gull]

keep in mind it's only an estimation, it's why i keep 17% only as a reference

[restive willow]

17% is wrong in both ways, so I still think 18% is better for at least some consistency

[keen vapor]

[quick lake]

Im fine with 17%. Only ~~ crazy ppl~~ pvpers roll cs anyways

[keen vapor]

I roll it

[lusty gull]

and i think 15% is the same, at least people who reach 17% will probably get 18%

[restive willow]

People who get 17% will get the effects of 15%, but they will not get the effects of 18%

[lusty gull]

anyway 21% make a difference

[quick lake]

Im fine as it is. Your call Bas7ial

[restive willow]

And that 18% is what they want in 2.5RL

[keen vapor]

And Adjutant is useless for 15% CS people

[lusty gull]

that is probably true

[restive willow]

I guess my point is, because fewer people use it doesn't mean it's fine to keep it misleading

[quick lake]

true true

[quick lake]

so in ur testing, 18% and 21% was functionally the same? because of the skill press delay?

still trying to und this

[gaunt viper]

I finally made it past the first round. I was alwasy like 3rd or 4th so it was a real surprise to me. even beat my 1st SP Arena whale. I didn't expect to come this far for my scuffed teams ngl. my first cheer % was 33 in my favor too

[lusty gull]

so what, show 15 or 18 even if i know only 21 matters at the end ?

there's no good solution unless if the app shows something like green color meaning high cs and then anyone choose what high cs is

[restive willow]

I'm not sure how to define "functionally the same". I can't test 18% 2.5RL against 0%CS 3RL because all my opponents in rookie have CS builds, and I'm champ 1 in SP arena

[quick lake]

okay okay

[restive willow]

I guess the unknown is what happens at 18%

What burst takes priority?

[quick lake]

I think its fine as it is. Big changes now also can confuse players

[restive willow]

I would still say 18% because it's the closest to the real breakpoint

[shell hazel]

is 15% good enough or should we aim for more?

[quick lake]

Ppl who wanna talk about cs% are all in this chat/arca/nga anyways

[gaunt viper]

@quick lake (only cause you reacted to it ) but these are my rather scuffed teams. I don't even have a Treasured Drake, Viper, or Laplace

[restive willow]

I wouldn't want anyone throwing out 15% to get 17% just to have the same cs effect

[quick lake]

They’re pretty okay!! Just T1 is scuffed but best u could do

[signal hull]

What skills for Bunny Soda? 7/10/10?

[restive willow]

In terms of 2.5RL, 15% is definitely too slow, 18% is , 21% is definitely fast enough. It's because the bursts happen on the same frame

[quick lake]

15% is fine. Ultimately as long all ur RLs have similar cs%, then the team works

[shell hazel]

my Noah is like this, so I need to add another CS roll ideally if I want to promote 3RL to 2.5RL?

[quick lake]

yep

[restive willow]

Wouldn't it be funny if it depended on who attacks/defends :/

[quick lake]

15% and 18% bursts in the same frame?

[restive willow]

18%CS 3RL B3 and 0%CS 3RL B2

So if that scarlet uses burst, can your noah block it?

who knows

[quick lake]

u cant, no way

[restive willow]

Wait no the other way

[quick lake]

U need 25% cs Helm for Noah to block

[restive willow]

whoops thought it the wrong way round, my bad

18% is just enough to frame advance into "1 more burst step"

so 18%CS 3RL B2 matches 0%CS 3RL B1, and same with B3 matching B2

[quick lake]

As long as cs% more 15%, u can rightly use the toggle in nikke deck to boost to 2.5rl

[restive willow]

I guess what's 2.5RL anyway?

[quick lake]

for the layman pvper

[restive willow]

18 is also closer to the actual "0.5" RL. 18/38 is pretty close

[gaunt viper]

My bunny Soda is 4s . That first image is what pushed me into contender for 32nd. the 3rd was against my SP arena whale. so somehow despite it being scuffed, its working. but I know its my weakest, id like to make it better but im not sure what I should try for

[quick lake]

2.5rl was never 2.5rl

[placid bloom]

I think it depends on whether you are going to base 2.5RL on 5th SG volley or actual RL charge speed

[restive willow]

I wholeheartedly agree 5SG should be its own thing

It's like 2.3RL

[quick lake]

Its okay. I have a 4RL team too

Me pvp retiree no more meth

[lusty gull]

yeah i really think i will make an update when i want, green color will mean high cs or high level skill
need to write some guides too

[shell hazel]

use the crystals

[keen vapor]

Bas7ial MA

[shell hazel]

minor feature request sir unrelated to the CS thing

[quick lake]

Pvp lingo is sadly obscure

[shell hazel]

please can we somehow display attacker/defender on the deck vs deck?

[quick lake]

oh yes that would be nice. Like top atker, bottom defender naming ig

havent used deck in a long while oops

[shell hazel]

and maybe a swap button to flip them over?

[keen vapor]

~~We all know Bas7ial was afraid of putting an 18 next to Maid Anchor ~~

[lusty gull]

that's definitely planned, i want to do this since a long time but the heat doesn't motivate me

[keen vapor]

[shell hazel]

just hire slaves to fan you and feed you grapes

[gaunt viper]

here have some crack rock instead

[worthy knoll]

Is there a way to save a deck? Without having to make an account or something, like store in some kind of unused 10 digit number or such

[lusty gull]

sounds good

[shell hazel]

export deck to .json or similar would be great yeah

[quick lake]

https://tenor.com/view/dave-chappelle-need-gif-13897896508849046732

[keen vapor]

There's no accounts on NIKKE deck

Is saved on your caché or something

[worthy knoll]

I always default in incognitio

[keen vapor]

[worthy knoll]

[lusty gull]

same planned, for my own use haha

[quick lake]

thats why doesnt save for u

[shell hazel]

[worthy knoll]

Still want it to be stored in some place aside from cookies/cache

[swift mango]

You think he would waste his time around this chat to answer questions like you pleb.

[keen vapor]

so mean

[shell hazel]

[quick lake]

good to see u Echo

[keen vapor]

Not every MA answers things constantly

[quick lake]

We only have Rosy and Echo pvp MAs

[swift mango]

But you still need to dk the are minimum.

[keen vapor]

PVP ma's are going into extinction

[shell hazel]

Rosy is a newer one

[keen vapor]

[shell hazel]

Echo you gotta make up for it and answer everything 24/7

[quick lake]

CA killed pvp

[swift mango]

This chat become more popular since CA though.

[lusty gull]

that is not kind, i have some server cost since long time now, app is really more popular than i could though and that kind of use cost some data

[shell hazel]

stretch but if you could sso to like google and store the data there that would be

[quick lake]

We (I) appreciate your work Bas7ial

[restive willow]

👀 it's not a static page?

[swift mango]

Save an image then upload to Google drive. Now you are safe.

[quick lake]

I wouldnt mind a small ad

[lusty gull]

it's something like that

there's still some cost if you want a good service around the world

[quick lake]

Gn my pvp peeps happy pvp-ing

[lusty gull]

90% of the users are from asia

[lusty gull]

gn

[gaunt viper]

my nikke deck always has a tab open on mobile so its got all the data it needs from me

[shell hazel]

damn high % from Asia

[quick lake]

Must be all the CN/JP peeps

[keen vapor]

that's how Abathur knows my weaknesses!

[quick lake]

China server recently too

[restive willow]

how much from KR?

[lusty gull]

dont' underestimate kr

[quick lake]

This is the REAL PVP details

[swift mango]

It just means that ASIA players are that more invested into Arena.

[worthy knoll]

I always default in incognito, I don't want history and cookies stored. But incognito doesn't mean adblock, is there some kind of profit you get from cookies being stored?

[restive willow]

The land of pvp

[quick lake]

Asians like to pee v pee I guess

[lusty gull]

yes like images, it's most of the stored data

[gaunt viper]

shame not as many care

[worthy knoll]

You profit through that? I thought online monetization is usually on ads

[swift mango]

I care

[worthy knoll]

🤔

[gaunt viper]

we of the few exceptions

[placid bloom]

means you are redownloading images every time you close tab/browser

since they're not cached

not that he's making money

[gaunt viper]

95% of my union doesn't care for PVP

[lusty gull]

no profit, but i paid for this since some month
i think about adding only one add someday to compensate

[restive willow]

Just curious, where do you get the images from?

[lusty gull]

when ? i don't know

[swift mango]

At least, 20-30% of mine does.

And we are top 9-12 in SEA so not that hard core. But not that soft core either.

[worthy knoll]

Oh, I thought when you said "that was not kind", you meant my incognito was blocking some source of your income

[gaunt viper]

you could possibly try one of those "buy me a coffee" sorta donation thing too

[keen vapor]

There's a Patreon icon

[lusty gull]

never @quick lake

[swift mango]

Wait a minute, one union 30 member so percentage wise, you mean only 2 guys including you care for Arena? Or only you?

[gaunt viper]

yeah mine just doesn't find much joy in it i suppose. they like to allocate more to PVE and Raid.
We're around 40s in Global

[swift mango]

[keen vapor]

There was in my dreams :
-# Classic misinfo smh

[lusty gull]

i tried once, but in reality donations are complicated because of some stupid laws

[quick lake]

how do u make small text

[keen vapor]

-#

And space

[shell hazel]

-# help

[quick lake]

#- is this small -#

[gaunt viper]

Ik ive just seen the buy me a coffee thing be successful too was all

[keen vapor]

No, only one at the start

[swift mango]

I mean 5% of 30 is 1.5.

[quick lake]

-# better be small

[gaunt viper]

well there's 32 of us so its me and 1 other guy

[keen vapor]

So it wasn't a dream

[restive willow]

BIG

[quick lake]

Im shooketh. Learning new discord things

[shell hazel]

text

[swift mango]

Okay 32, I forgot the 2.

[keen vapor]

HUH

[restive willow]

# text

is how you do it

[shell hazel]

Look at me I am the captain now

[keen vapor]

Ya veo

[quick lake]

BIG what

[gaunt viper]

That's awful . go figure some laws would ruin it

[quick lake]

This is pretty fun

[shell hazel]

this is me desu

[keen vapor]

hhmmm

[shell hazel]

[quick lake]

[swift mango]

Probably most of my union mate doesn't do Arena by choice. It's just they started in a hardcore bracket and had to fight their way in it. Because SEA server being generally more competitive in SpA....

Like Yenah, had to be in a bracket with 7 guys of the same union systematically hitting everyone down for a whole year.

Only like 2-3 guys has proper Arena investment. Most are still focus on raid and Arena investment is just a side fun. Like 7107 Rossana for CA and done

[keen vapor]

I did 7/10/10 but only half an attack line

[acoustic matrix]

Champ arena, some else team, naga

[keen vapor]

Supporter lifestealing

[gaunt viper]

Got it. makes sense in that case why they'd feel that way then

[shell hazel]

Keripo alt version 😄

[keen vapor]

WHY SO MANY PUT PEPPER ON PLACEMENT 3

[shell hazel]

safu

[swift mango]

Yeah, SEA only has 4 CA groups and much less population but the ratio of Arena grinder being higher than average.

[keen vapor]

Even SEA has multiple champions huh?

[swift mango]

The newbie bracket where I am is the less hard core one. So it has 2 2 times champ out of the 3 2 times champ in SEA.

[shell hazel]

big issue with that team is it's not 3.5RL even if you quantum everyone

[swift mango]

The rest could only settle with 1 times best.

[sharp nymph]

[gaunt viper]

huh, interesting

[swift mango]

Ah you mean multiple CA bracket? Ofc, you think they push everyone into one big group or sth?

2 brackets for day one to 2 month.

1 bracket for 2 months to 1.2 year.

1 bracket for the rest

[keen vapor]

Said even

Even SEA has enough players for it

[swift mango]

Yes, ofc. 60k kinda active players according to solo raid stat. You would think 15k be enough to fill 1 CA.

[keen vapor]

[late tiger]

are the new units good for anything?

[keen vapor]

Cancelled raids

[quick lake]

pvp drought

[late tiger]

sad

thanks

[swift mango]

15000/64=234.4

Just fit 200+ member a SpA.

More. Than. 234 if you counted guys who only log in once a month and miss SR but still counted for SpA.

[worthy knoll]

Eve with costume, good at least for the eyes on lobby

[keen vapor]

Remember guys
Nikkes will have skills for Surface mode, so Collab unused units can still shine there

Or maybe just Soline, maybe that

I'm skipping still

[oblique ridge]

in b4 collabs are excluded from surface content, or when surface content has a units limit of 25 characters

[swift mango]

In before surface content skills are all useless anyway.

[oblique ridge]

in b4 unit levels are synced to 200 anyway

[keen vapor]

Surface content skills from Collab giving 0.25% more resources than available units

[oblique ridge]

Or core breakthroughs are ignored in surface content, MLB is max

[swift mango]

Useless resource because it doesn't exchange for anything good and overflow in 10 hours.

[oblique ridge]

So many ways to piss everyone off, so little time

[keen vapor]

Credits Blood credits!

And skill mats

[oblique ridge]

Oh right, to participate in surface content, you have to pay 6 hours of credit. Daily

[covert lintel]

but we'll be in danger if someone finds out

[keen vapor]

Would

[swift mango]

5% more RSS make you log in 3 times a day at less and exchanged for 1 more hour Credit a day.

And 1 more tier 1 book

[worthy knoll]

Don't be embarrassed, show what a chad you are

[swift mango]

~~ by playing it in every public place you come across ~~

[keen vapor]

Just no

[worthy knoll]

Nikke is even tame tbh, I played an Alicesoft mobile game bond scene in public with max speaker before

[swift mango]

Yeah, like that reddit fan comic that the guy got a wife because he played Nikke in public.

[keen vapor]

Novel will be top tier in Surface mode btw

[worthy knoll]

I'm just sad they discontinued Global Beat Wars, couldn't bring myself to play the JP one from scratch

[swift mango]

I used to play a Gacha after the EoS in Eng server... They ended up EoS in JPn too 7 years later... Nothing last forever man.

[worthy knoll]

So when will GBF EoS?

[keen vapor]

Girls band Frontline?

[worthy knoll]

Granblue Farmtasy

[keen vapor]

Tomorrow

[swift mango]

It has longevity for being a big game but still I bet shelf life for these games are 20 years best.

[keen vapor]

Nikke 10 anni where

[swift mango]

no surprise if EoS anytime after the 5th year

[keen vapor]

But my collab gets in 5th anni

[swift mango]

I think JP and KR gacha are more prompt to EoS than CN games.

I haven't seen any CN gacha I played EoS yet.

Admittedly CN are newer to game market than the other 2....

[keen vapor]

300

[worthy knoll]

Date A Live Spirit Pledge was Chinese originate iirc

[rain coral]

Wth is the counter to this comp ?

[tropic summit]

scarlet helmt trina siren jackal

scarlet 10/x/10, SR5-SR15, 30-40atk%
trina 4/7/7
helm treasured, s1 lvl 10, stage 2
siren recommended invest

if SParena, you can use helmT elsewhere, if rookie just overcommit as above

[oblique ridge]

In short, if Scarlet can AoE nuke the enemy team while powered by enough buffs, they'll all die.

But Noah blocks Scarlet AoE nuke. So you bring Siren to stun Noah before she can burst.

You end up with a Scarlet Trina Jackal team at 2RL speed with Siren assist. It achieves all goals.

Enemy team speed seems to be on the slow side, it should be 2.5RL or worse. So Noah will likely be stunned if your Siren isn't taunted.

That's what @tropic summit is suggesting to you. Should easily succeed unless you're in power deficit penalty territory.

[covert lintel]

40 more years

[worthy knoll]

I remember playing it back then at 2014, another old game I remember is Kancolle. Its still alive right?

[swift mango]

Scar+Trina/Blanc(need RH if you used Blanc)+Siren/RH+(CP flex is fine here so long as Scar still link and you used Trina in P2)+Jackal

Just the common comb.

[tropic summit]

good ol' kancolle, then powercrept by azur lane

[worthy knoll]

I still like Kancolle, when Azur Lane was released, it felt weird tbh

[tropic summit]

it never got an english release did it? only an eng unofficial patch iirc

[worthy knoll]

Yeah, you play it with a viewer tool

[keen vapor]

Emilia

[rain coral]

That worked, thanks fellas

[spiral onyx]

I played Azur Lane with sound on in public. Including game launch

[spiral onyx]

His shot landed

[swift mango]

It did.

[keen vapor]

My shot landed on middle line

[tropic summit]

have you tried calling an exorcist?

your account might've a crow in it

[keen vapor]

[keen vapor]

MLB

[keen vapor]

I'll choose later

[swift mango]

Actually nothing bad here, if you wanted optimal line, just lock 2+3 and roll for ATK.

[keen vapor]

Optimal line requires me to get max ammo line

As you know locking top line is insane

[swift mango]

You just need to get Ammo on other pieces

Cdmg is good line to seek for on Scar and Emi+MiranT

[keen vapor]

You should see my Emilia lines

[swift mango]

You just don't know what to invest. Just roll off Ele line she needs max 1 Ele line. It's useless on her.

[keen vapor]

But locking crit DMG...

No

Bay blocks

[swift mango]

It's good. Unless you don't want to use Miranda with her.

Even then, only ATK and CS really needed.

[keen vapor]

And max ammo....

[swift mango]

You only need 2 lines.

[keen vapor]

That was the second one

[wise horizon]

ok. i dont have experience against Moran/Bay and so i dont know the counter to those two

[keen vapor]

Emilia

[swift mango]

Then reroll that 30% line to 60% or sth

[wise horizon]

3RL Blanc/Emilia/RH/Centi/Biscuit?

[keen vapor]

[keen vapor]

maybe

If your Emilia can tank it

[umbral belfry]

@keen vapor tank this

[keen vapor]

[keen vapor]

In any case RH could still do the job, it should work

[pure moss]

I'm winning right?

[oblique ridge]

Yes. If you're Neph.

[pure moss]

[oblique ridge]

My judgement is:
R1: L (Their SGs dismantle your XMaiden and Rumani, you won't get to burst. I mean literally his whole team of 5 SGs will be going Right to Left, massacring your team)

• I forgot about Biscuit, GG. You win.
  R2: L (Your SGs into their Scarlet Trina Jackal. RIP. You do 0 dmg to Scarlet until Rosanna dispels invincible, then shortly after he bursts to heal Scarlet, then AoE wipes you)
  R3: W (Your HelmT nukes their SAnis, should be gg after that as long as your stall hangs on)
  R4: L (Their Emilia will be Indomitable)
  R5: W (Their team is too slow)

[oblique ridge]

So, you're getting 2-3'd

[pure moss]

hold up

I put the wrong comps

[oblique ridge]

[pure moss]

their t1 not that fast

but seriously should I start building poli and pepper for 2.5 RL sg?

[oblique ridge]

Idk? Not really. The SGs with Rosanna depends on Rosanna filling burst bar when there's a kill or death

So as long as your 2RL reads 63.46% or something like it, you will hit 2RL speed if there's a kill or death. Rosanna can instantly fill 36.54% on that. But have to account for the death if it's on your team, team has to fill the meter enough first

That's why the "3RL" SG team can overturn a match if they successfully kill somebody

Because it turns into 2RL with Rosanna dispelling and nuking two highest ATK on top of BSoda also AoE nuking enemy team

Or Drake in your case, though it's not AoE I think

So in fact it's kinda worse that enemy SGs has a Rosanna.. worse for you. Now when XMaiden dies, if she does, enemy SGs will immediately start bursting

But the good news is I think Drake will burst Rumani

• Might help if I noticed Biscuit would make XMaiden invincible, whoops. Drake will burst invincible XMaiden

Their Rosanna will have tried to kill your BScarlet with B1 burst

[pure moss]

I see

so there's a chance

[oblique ridge]

Anyways, is it the same teams just different T1?

[pure moss]

yes

[oblique ridge]

Yeah. If your BScarlet survives, or your XMaiden hangs on long enough

If both happens, BScarlet gets Indomitable

XMaiden is likely to die in about 1 second

• Oh, Biscuit the savior...

Depends on SGs invest

If you see Drake, Noir, Rosanna, and Pepper are 1.5k+ power I'd bet against you for sure

• What bet? I bet nothing!

[pure moss]

I'm pretty sure this mf has ol5 10-10-10 everything

his bp is 3.84

[oblique ridge]

Individual power

Anyways, if XMaiden dies in 1 second and Rumani dies by 2nd second, you definitely lose

• But shouldn't happen thanks to Biscuit

[pure moss]

they're both OL5 so hopefully not

[umbral belfry]

xmaid will have bisc

don't think t1 loses unless rosa nukes sbs

[oblique ridge]

Oh I forgot that

[pure moss]

oh right

[oblique ridge]

Biscuit

[pure moss]

biscuit

[umbral belfry]

[pure moss]

[oblique ridge]

You have an easy win

Even if Rosanna kills somebody, SGs team are going to waste their nukes on invincible XMaiden

[pure moss]

Hime you're a genius

[oblique ridge]

No no

She has glasses on, we left ours at home

[umbral belfry]

he

[pure moss]

I need to measure my eyes again

[oblique ridge]

Fixed

[umbral belfry]

[pure moss]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1273933998762229845/1378623387592687760/1748258173317.gif

[oblique ridge]

I edited all my bad calls just in case somebody reads them in the future

Can't have them doing a bad cheer against Kilia

[lime night]

would anyone have a better comp recommendation? still around a 50/50 win rate

[pure moss]

what in the whale

[pure moss]

have you tried scarlet siren jackal against this?

[lime night]

nope not yet, stil not too sure how to use siren in PVP so i havent used her much

[pure moss]

siren scarlet trina centi jackal

[lime night]

ill give that a try in a sec, altho ill need to make sure the CP gap isnt too big

[pure moss]

just OL5 10/10/10 everything

you're whale enough

[lime night]

NGL i dont really invest in pvp units

[pure moss]

bruv

[lime night]

i just invest in the typical uniraid/solo ones

[loud sonnet]

@wild patio

[solar swan]

What are the stats needed for jackal overload gear?

[crystal flicker]

Only need CS

[glad glade]

Is my cheer prediction correct? Top (me) is attacker and bottom is defending. Crossed out teams are the loser

The rounds I’m most unsure of are R1 and R5, though I’m leaning more towards myself for both of them

[wild patio]

[solar swan]

How can you predict cheers?

[crystal flicker]

5th match if your Scarlet has more than 32 ammo, you'll burst with RH

[edgy fiber]

Help me build a def team

[glad glade]

I have 31

[edgy fiber]

I mean i have pretty huge gap of sync lvl but just keep getting attacked over and over

[crystal flicker]

Top win then

[upper grove]

Rin help me predict or am I dumb

[glad glade]

Thank you. What’s your opinion on R1

[crystal flicker]

What's Rapunzel doll and cubes

[glad glade]

R0 and Lvl 5 vigor cube

[crystal flicker]

Oh actually

SG will focus fire to Centi. but Biscuit will keep her alive
Rosa will burst to ScarBS and Blanc, she might kill ScarBS but unlikely to kill Blanc

So Rapunzel will rev ScarBS and you know the rest

[glad glade]

Perfect, just as I thought. Thank you!

[crystal flicker]

Top win it seems

Unless P5 Rumani is uninvested and let the SG kill Trina b4 burst

[misty finch]

Is CS still bugged

The thing where every units gets the CS of the highest CS unit

[covert lintel]

idk kancolle but gbf still strong

[ornate spoke]

what the heck man, how dare you prevent me from getting the silver frame

[upper grove]

Thanks, I was thinking the same but not 100% sure so needed a 2nd opinion

[umbral crown]

☆☆☆SP Defense ☆☆☆
Scarlet/DrakeT/Trina/Liter/Jackal
Blanc/Ein/Rapunzel/HelmT/Centi
Crown/SBS/Rapipi/Noir/LaplaceT or Noise/Rumani/Biscuit/Cinderella/LaplaceT

[edgy fiber]

Ty now we wait

[umbral crown]

[keen vapor]

Knowing how to PVP is the first step

[raven plover]

how to pvp

[keen vapor]

Knowing how the main team archetypes work and do

[upper grove]

Teach them MA

[keen vapor]

I should work on that guide

[crystal flicker]

Can you make that one combat simulator

[keen vapor]

I was thinking on a test section

[strong hull]

Kaiji suck Echocho-san

[keen vapor]

ROCK PAPER SCISSORS IS AWESOME

[strong hull]

[keen vapor]

ITS AMAZING HOW YOU CAN FEEL THE DREAD AND DESPERATION OF THAT SITUATION HOW CAN YOU NOT GET IT

[strong hull]

Im joking

Actually i watched it age ago

[keen vapor]

Oh

I'm currently rewatching it

Its live action

[strong hull]

Its suck

[keen vapor]

There's no boat but there's an island so I guess that works

[strong hull]

[keen vapor]

But it was trending

[strong hull]

I would rather watch Lupin III instead

[keen vapor]

[strong hull]

[keen vapor]

goes back to watch Kiznaiver

[strong hull]

Its good

Ill give it 6/10

[keen vapor]

Kiznaiver? but it should get 8 minimum

[strong hull]

6

[umbral crown]

But are you in CA?

[crystal flicker]

I feel like CS for 2RL is mandatory

[keen vapor]

I didn't make it out of league bc of Blood teams

[keen vapor]

I'll Kizuna you

[umbral crown]

Lets call it the blood incident

[keen vapor]

[strong hull]

[keen vapor]

Testing

[crystal flicker]

Dw, I also lost in 64

The bad match up really kills me

Scarlet mirror, Cindy v stall, SG v Biscuit

[jade fog]

how is raven in arena?

[keen vapor]

Bad, she fires slowly
Next question

[worthy knoll]

3 sizes?

||Ofc Raven, not you||

[crystal flicker]

Do you think 21% CS 2RL will be the next norm

[keen vapor]

I had 3 sizes for Ikaros

[keen vapor]

Hopefully we get a new toy that focuses in stalling

We need more stall

[worthy knoll]

Add a cover immunity unit, without need to burst or at least B1

Bay will be a new stall and block meta

[crystal flicker]

or Add Pick & Ban

We're pushing creativity to the roof

[worthy knoll]

or blast everything to smithereens by adding a unit that nukes and ignores Invul and Indom, or a support that cancels them out

[crystal flicker]

Ban Scarlet Jackal Noah Cindy Blanc and see what they cooks

That too, Invuln, Indom, Immunity dispel

[worthy knoll]

I played SP before without Jackal, still getting 3 wins..

[placid bloom]

I don't think they will ever go with a system that forces everyone to be online at the same time though so at best you can choose your bans hours before the match and then build team after bans are locked in

[worthy knoll]

Is CA still on Beta?

[placid bloom]

yes

beta season 6

[worthy knoll]

Guess the unnecessary waiting time is for something to put in between when its out of beta.. if it ever does

[crystal flicker]

It's seasonal ban, every season has different Bans

It's better than making CA = RNG fest

[placid bloom]

well I think the original intent of the waiting time is to give 20 hours for people to vote for winner across every time zone, but voting is not exciting gameplay

[crystal flicker]

The reward sucks

Change it to gems and ppl will start to vote

[worthy knoll]

Lose gems too

If wrong vote

[crystal flicker]

Time to get silver frame

[worthy knoll]

Or make it like that one idle game I am playing. They have all players get a fixed betting currency, kinda low start, then its up to you how much you bet. If you win, you get x1.5 of what you bet, if you lose, you lose half of what you bet. Then whatever currency you have by the end, you can exchange it on some shop, and no expiry so can hoard too

[placid bloom]

but yeh don't think they are trying to innovate, they just copying existing format from other games

[keen vapor]

Mica

[crystal flicker]

We should have ban system

[worthy knoll]

Ban all RL weapon types

Good luck making 5 team

[crystal flicker]

sg

[worthy knoll]

Go on tell your 5 teams of sg unit

No Noah or Biscuit either

No Noise or Rapunzel too

Well at least Nero has HelmT and Mana

Flex is definitely a Clip SG

No second FB though, unless flex is pepper I guess and assuming she survives to burst the 2nd cycle

[placid bloom]

I think TCG monthly ban list style is a bit too boring, they could make it like SPA but add options like in OC to make opponents stronger or restrict your team build, and the higher your ratio the higher multiplier you get to hourly arena point rate.
So if you can hold defense with trash team comp but high OC multiplier you can rank higher

need sync lock to make it work I guess

[loud sonnet]

Still haven't hit back?

[umbral crown]

Yes, till Season 30

[crystal flicker]

Did some calc, 25% 2RL B3 will catch up with 0% 2RL B2

[upper grove]

I miss my SP arena being chill

[crystal flicker]

My SP always chill, except those whales keep hitting each other

[upper grove]

I was chilling as 3rd but 1 guy decided to declare all out war

He attacked me nonstop for 1 day, always hit him back while he changed defense like 10x then he gave up and started hitting the rest of top 4 and now rankings are all over the place

[wild patio]

I did this morning, havent check back now

[loud sonnet]

Oh then he hit back

[wild patio]

[final wedge]

yea this thing is simple yet idk why SU didnt do it

[digital hornet]

Hey guys quick question, how good is little mermaids burst gen?

[final wedge]

even if the reward sucks...at least im hopin they made it interesting

now its boring and the reward suck

[swift mango]

It's still RNG even with bans. You just have to build team with as few counters to it as possible.

[crystal flicker]

At least it wont be boring template RNG fest

[final wedge]

and bringin creative minds to combat

[swift mango]

Yeah, it's nice to have a betting currency and a different items slots in arena shop.

[final wedge]

not all lay out flat like dis

[candid ore]

best comp to counter this?

[crystal flicker]

Bad

[mint fog]

any aoe comp

scarjack comes to mind

[candid ore]

like this?

[swift mango]

Try to build new teams then. Even with seasonal ban, if you copy the meta. It's still over after 1-2 season.

[final wedge]

make 2RL Scar Blanc team or 2RL Noah Biscuit Scar....it will be ez

[digital hornet]

https://tenor.com/view/disintegrating-funny-thanos-gif-22399978

[swift mango]

But yeah, they should have seasonal bans to switch things up.

[final wedge]

at least spice it up

not plain like dis

[mint fog]

is that 2.5RL? Can try, just not 100% sure how cindy-biscuit will respond.

[final wedge]

errrr u shud try usin this

https://nikke-deck.web.app/

and u gotta read the basics 1st......like "what is RL?" etc

cuz.....not many will answer basic questions......especially askin to cook 3 teams for SPA let alone 5 teams CA

[candid ore]

im not deep into arena meta, this guy just attacks me with all 5 of their attacks every day on rookie and im mildly irritated

[final wedge]

the basics stufss is in the pin

[candid ore]

thx for the all the advice tho

[final wedge]

ok ill feed u....can try this

tbh....dat Scar can be replaced by SAnis if u have SAnis

[candid ore]

ok, ill try that, thanks

[mint fog]

so that's how we are estimating RL now? Nifty tool.

[final wedge]

how come u know dat just now

dont tell me ur still using the excel ver

[crystal flicker]

Excel still goated

[final wedge]

i aint touchin it again....

i once made team with duplicate Centi by mistake

[swift mango]

https://discord.com/channels/946719263866101821/1386592085024706641

What do you think?

[final wedge]

then im forced to re-cook

[final wedge]

thx god some1 started

it shudve been earlier

[crystal flicker]

Tbf, I fork and modify the excel for customization and additional calculator

[final wedge]

the formation was all lay out on 3rd season....4th is like confirming the layout strategy......5th is liek....luck and investment contest already

[swift mango]

I doubt anyone cares enough beside us 2 lol.

[final wedge]

goddamitt

[crystal flicker]

At least I added several page to excel

[swift mango]

@keen vapor It just occured to me that you might like this girl.

If you played Arknight you would know about this rich sad cat from day 1. Now she grew up, became poorer, and a bit less sad.

From crying all day to like 5 times a day, big improvement.

[graceful grotto]

endfield?

man arknight endfield art look so good, too bad no released date yet

might be difficult to get into with so many gacha flooding the market atm

[covert lintel]

Just need 1 more cs line

[quick lake]

why Arcana

[final wedge]

wait...........wtheck ur using Arcana for??????????

[swift mango]

It's just plain Arknight.

[final wedge]

waiting for 5sec after Isabel burst to gain Arcana burst is just....

for sure the PVP fight already ended before Arcana burst take effect

not to mention Arcana doesnt fit into any stall comp....so....RIP

[quick lake]

what pvp use does Arcana have

[graceful grotto]

buff isabel for fun of course

[crystal flicker]

Stall comp with Isabel

[quick lake]

[crystal flicker]

Don't you think it's gonna work

[final wedge]

it will be interesting IF it COULD work tho....or at least a glimpse of it

[shell hazel]

reposting here but looks like SR may finally be getting fixed along with Raven

[covert lintel]

Bored ca, so i'll make noob nikke for pvp

[quick lake]

[covert lintel]

Will raven become op?

[crystal flicker]

We need patch note

I'm so blind for this update, it shouldn't be that big if they only fix Raven

[raven flume]

https://tenor.com/view/look-what-yep-this-gif-13617583

wait, since when can i send gifs, wtf

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/hibike-euphonium-s2-asuka-tainaka-gif-3148119149371731991

just asking the old crystal ball 😄

[raven flume]

regarding excel, wouldn't there be mathematical differences used in the formulae that would inspire even making two separate ones to begin with. and in that case, using excel shows the math on a copy, which is comforting

[wise horizon]

This looks tricky. Blanc/Emilia would do the trick?

[raven flume]

probably just need to be faster

[crystal flicker]

I believe they have similar source, but the web version is built to provide more comfortable interface

[raven flume]

yeah, it does work much more convenient, honestly. i just always wondered whether or not there was a functional difference between the two gen sheets i know, i suppose

which is perhaps why i tend to use the web version and both sheets at times, to check for changes, lol

then again, it may very well simply be a rounding off difference at x decimal

[swift mango]

They needed to make Arcana s1+2 off burst for that to happen.

[swift mango]

Time to reinstall

[shell hazel]

you uninstalled?

[swift mango]

Uninstall then reinstall and the game would be lighter. This is 5gb update anyway. Add 5gb to that not much difference

[shell hazel]

oh lol

[swift mango]

[crystal flicker]

Do you have that 11% Noah vs Siren video? I want to check if my math match with in game

My math said, Noah will get stunned right after casting her burst and before the shield takes effect

[edgy fiber]

It worked

[copper creek]

blanc

any blanc

[edgy fiber]

Noah can be countered?

Hehe

[crystal flicker]

Just stun her

[edgy fiber]

Uh

[swift mango]

I'm lazy to find my post history. My video probably deleted from my phone long ago. My dude who used Siren also tapped her out.

But yeah, 11% on all RL is the break point. Noah would be stun right after.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1177116972593463316/1372992881090101268/Screenshot_2025-05-17-00-42-52-039_com.miui.videoplayer.jpg?ex=685a3b03&is=6858e983&hm=d48d2380be4af6512361132a6ee572f59916ff804600d5bcb1bcb1c3e28d2118&

[swift mango]

Also, SR only needs 5% for that effect.

[crystal flicker]

Coz no travel speed ye

[edgy fiber]

How to counter siren

[strong hull]

Use noise

[strong hull]

Blood-kun

[fiery parcel]

Need help. My noah team lost to their scarlet

My scarlet team (T1) won

[umbral crown]

Nice

[tropic summit]

if you plan to win against indom scarlet you need to get noah to run biscuit s2 twice, having rumani there will make 2 stacks go way faster because rumani will get taunt priority and you don't maximize on noah

[tropic summit]

you could also change approach and run this instead

enemy siren will suicide on linked scarlet and if she didn't she'll die to single buff or double buff nuke on 2RL, actively preventing enemy from bursting

the other team is no brainer wiped (if in deficit run noah p1 and a biscuit, keep team 3RL or 2RL)

[fading ermine]

Oh no

[shell hazel]

it's alright they're f2p you should win

[fading ermine]

Yeh

I hope so

[shell hazel]

haha, I think it's an ironic thing though, probably not actually f2p 😛

[quiet fiber]

Any pvp experts available to analyze this matchup?

[crystal flicker]

rng

R RNG L L R

[willow raven]

can someone improve my team/s please
i havent been able to change it since a2 release
i have most of the characters outside re:zero collab

[raven plover]

is that my goat, the most f2p player lv 800, fahrenheit

[quiet fiber]

Still thank you.

[crystal flicker]

If you want to go with investment bet, left is max core, so they have 20% extra stats

[raven plover]

[willow raven]

pls

[strong hull]

[quiet fiber]

Good point.

[crystal flicker]

You need to invest Trina, Rumani, Anis, Siren, and probably Noise for proper comp
Otherwise you'll lose anyway from deficits

[willow raven]

should i prio gear or skill
i think i can go for skill lv7 each

[crystal flicker]

OL and Dolls

Skill 4/4/4 enough

[willow raven]

max lv sr?

[crystal flicker]

Up 2 you, but min for me is SR5

[swift mango]

Keripo is more F2P than him.

[willow raven]

okay

[crystal flicker]

After that you can use
Siren Scarlet Trina Anis Jackal
Noise Noah Rumani Cindy HelmT
Blanc Emi/SAnis RH Biscuit Centi

Last comp need a lot of CS on Centi and Emi (if you have her)