pvp-arena

[hollow lagoon]

lel u friggen won

[swift mango]

[umbral belfry]

we move on

[shell hazel]

told ya 🙂

[shell hazel]

yeah 5-0 5-0 and 3-2 it looks like

[hollow lagoon]

i'm 2 3-2 and 1-4

not fun

I malded to 85.5 core dust/ hour

I’m done till 401

[umbral belfry]

@wet crystal BIG W

[wet crystal]

nani?! I move up??

[umbral belfry]

you did it

see what happens when you don't 4 rl

[wet crystal]

lmao, it was gonna be 4rl, then I changed my helm team

[umbral belfry]

also I see that rosa

been in the pvp lab

[placid bloom]

[wet crystal]

the resources that were for eve and raven went to pvp units instead

[placid bloom]

tbh no point of investing in SR for a long time

[umbral belfry]

literally me the most my raven hopes died

[placid bloom]

I am well past the point of being 10% but nowhere close to 3%

[umbral belfry]

rosa will be a great investment trust

[wet crystal]

chat, wasn't hime a raven hardliner

[umbral belfry]

[umbral belfry]

even with the buffs i fear it is over

[umbral belfry]

me who whaled for her costume

[placid bloom]

she is PvE only char for sure

[umbral belfry]

at least I can have that W

[sleek root]

I'm stumped, my 10/7/10 Scarlet with 7/10/10 Trina can only -50% Cindy comp. Sad The HelmT died though coz Ele weakness. help

Bypass the Noah invuln due to Soda. But nuke not stronk enough

[placid bloom]

Noise HP is too fat for single buff Scar

[umbral belfry]

one buff scar can do that vs a noise buff

thats why you build noise

[placid bloom]

can't when I'm like 1000 elec manuals short

every PvP unit just has to be elec

[sleek root]

[umbral belfry]

it bd like that

[sleek root]

I'm guessing if i were to SR5>SR15 my Scarlet, wont help?

[placid bloom]

no you need double buff

but Mermaid is too much gamble

gamble vs low ammo Scar, gamble vs taunt prio against Noise Noah

[sleek root]

Yea i kinda figured that out

Oh well~

[placid bloom]

just accept that beefy matchup is loss

[umbral belfry]

believe in rh

[placid bloom]

unless you go Blanc Scar instead and play for outlast

[umbral belfry]

or that

2 rl scar indom

[placid bloom]

you could also go Atk/crit rate/crit dmg black line on your Scarlet just crit every time ez

just need 1 50% ammo line to get 30 ammo for 3 stack

[swift mango]

@tropic summit post your league bro, never seen you done it.

[clear folio]

soo many dumb comps, noah,blanc, trina in 1 team . i see copycats of my win team not knowing theres a cs req

[inner drum]

Yo question how do placements work? Like if 1st and 2nd go 2-1 who gets first

[onyx scaffold]

number of win matches

[keen vapor]

I lost league thanks to Blood teams

[placid bloom]

[keen vapor]

And remaining HP of their units

It's on patch notes

[inner drum]

Oh ty I’ll look

[umbral belfry]

[keen vapor]

: .....

[worldly osprey]

long time no see @swift mango

[glossy falcon]

does trina's s2 invul and buff work even if scarlet isn't in p1?

it just reads like it's only p1 but watching replays I see scarlet invul even in p3

[raven plover]

yes

[glossy falcon]

thanks, I kept stubbornly keeping scarlet p1 and just prayed to not fight siren thinking trina didn't work then

[umbral belfry]

linked siren p1 is the way to go

[placid bloom]

unlinked Rapu and pray is the way to go

[umbral belfry]

is that what happened to you kuwon

[placid bloom]

yes

[umbral belfry]

hit her too hard

[placid bloom]

2RL Scar Trina into 2RL Ein Blanc, 2RL Moran Helm Bay into 2 RL Rapu Scar, 3 RL Cinderella into 3 RL Cinderella Noah ofc

[umbral belfry]

unfortunate matches 😭

and extremely unfortunate on rapu team

[placid bloom]

I think it was just unlucky I was on def instead of atk, then my Helm shoot his p5

[umbral belfry]

[placid bloom]

and wouldn't trigger Rapu

but that team's damage is pretty low, I think it's not even good tbh

only has good matchup into specifically Scar Jackal

[swift mango]

This rematch happened too early.

[swift mango]

you used my teams?

[umbral belfry]

soon we will move on from moran bay helm to the true stall team

[placid bloom]

I think my build option is just too limited without Noah

[swift mango]

Show me your teams!!??

[umbral belfry]

[dense kindle]

Safe to say I make it through if I invest in my teams. Now if only I had the mats

[placid bloom]

Modernia user spotted

is that Mari B2 nuke technologies

[umbral belfry]

his name makes me hungry

[swift mango]

That's some Mordenia disrespectful right there.

[placid bloom]

guess you winning next CA with Modernia

[worldly osprey]

im tried rhh blanc team this time. 3n5 team i will win and 1n2 team u win. i think 4 team will decide who win this game XD

[placid bloom]

we making history

[swift mango]

I'm not looking at them until after I sleep.

[glad glade]

You’re facing against my SPA rival

[worldly osprey]

soda rng stun blanc i win. stun others u win

[swift mango]

I remember you won me last time with Soda stunning Bay.

You got this bro.

[worldly osprey]

yeah that super lucky

[swift mango]

I won Aha the first time with his soda stunning my bay too. His Scarlet always sucks.

[dense kindle]

That was the Mari team

[worldly osprey]

my scar suck with 200% ammo too. but i think his trina not built that y his scar too weak

[swift mango]

[oblique ridge]

I went 1-4 in the most important match, but won the other two matches. Neat

[swift mango]

Megumin is in this pic as well. Wtf lol.

[oblique ridge]

What’s that? Same name commanders?

I don’t think commander names have to be unique

[swift mango]

3 guys who have got champs in my bracket

[oblique ridge]

Oh, RIP

[umbral crown]

Yeh

[oblique ridge]

I like my Scarlet team. It performed as I hoped. vs Keripo it barely won (mirror coin flip), vs someone else that brought Siren, HelmT nuked the link because Scarlet was stunned

I’ll keep it

My Cindy team.. I guess it’s a full copy. Works fine. When it isn’t countered.

[swift mango]

Most of other guys also made it to top 8 once at least too.

[oblique ridge]

My SGs, yolo RIP

My Emilia… I don’t really want to invest in Emilia or Laplace more

So they aren’t actually killing the team. Looks like I coulda won that round vs Keripo if I did

And my Moran SAnis team… RIP. I took away all the high burst gen units for my other 4 teams. It’s 4RL.

How do I fix my last two teams?

In any case, means I have to invest in or replace these three teams: SGs, Emilia, SAnis

It just occurred to me that Drake can go with SAnis I wonder how that’d work out in exchange for crippling SGs

Oh right, max ammo. RIP

ShiftUp is evil

[keen vapor]

You scammed me

[oblique ridge]

Lost?

Whoa, no Jackal original Scarlet?

[keen vapor]

And that lose

[swift mango]

You mean the scarlet team?

[keen vapor]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/946720097031045161/1297132224541364246/kisama.mp4?ex=675763c5&is=67561245&hm=75448ce1e766fdbdf153671138ba7ff0ba79d5642bbf4f34dd6c067de52a2a93&

[oblique ridge]

It can win but it’s highly risky. Like defending enemy SGs team can shoot only Rumani with just Anne and Rosanna shooting Scarlet

[keen vapor]

SCAMMER

[oblique ridge]

Then once Rumani dies, Rosanna just finishes off Scarlet with burst

[umbral belfry]

that's what u get for tryna copy

[swift mango]

It's not working with your 20 ammo lol.... Your scarlet stop doing counter half the way before she even burst.

[oblique ridge]

Oof

[keen vapor]

SCAMMER! YOU SCAMMED ME

[sharp nymph]

|| ||

[umbral belfry]

point and laugh

[keen vapor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1026322546934698004.gif?size=48&animated=true&name=whyyysnapped

[oblique ridge]

If there was a Nikke named Scam, she’d follow Blood around to learn how to be better

[keen vapor]

She never did counter bc I was attacking

Kisama

[swift mango]

I don't like my odd in this first match. I forgot to put Tempering on scarlet and meet LapT.

Combination of unlucky.

[unique mountain]

[keen vapor]

[swift mango]

Post your result too, not just teams.

[keen vapor]

do I really need to max Scarlet skill 2

It doesn't even scales that high

[keen vapor]

Later

[swift mango]

My Scarlet was 101010 sr15 and tempering... Too bad I didn't have tempering on this season.

[keen vapor]

Vid form

[worldly osprey]

[sterile musk]

i got some good units for pvp now can someone build me some sp arena teams ?

[keen vapor]

Anchor 😭 I can't get Anchor

[swift mango]

Woa you typed for 15 minutes just to send a ticket.

Let's cheer for each other then.

[keen vapor]

I can't 3% without her

[keen vapor]

[umbral belfry]

way too early for you to start proper teams. but I will suggest priorize getting helm treasure

[worldly osprey]

touch the wrong keyboard 😦 so it show im typing

[keen vapor]

@covert lintel did you get that? 🫵 raid purposes!

[signal hull]

I really don't like how people are voting for my next match

[worldly osprey]

done 🫡 and glhf

[keen vapor]

I don't know who to cheer

[swift mango]

[swift mango]

Glhf

[keen vapor]

You know I'm on other bracket

[swift mango]

That's why I did the explanation.

[worldly osprey]

my temper just lv 8 so im use on stall team. my scar dont have too

[umbral crown]

You all should have it lv11+

[swift mango]

But I don't have a stall team so it's just a matter of not putting on her. Let's see if she holds.

[swift mango]

My Resilence is 11 now so I will get Tempering to 11 next.

[umbral crown]

Lv15

Lets pull a keripo there

[swift mango]

Sure.

[umbral crown]

I have tempu and quatum lv11, now i can focus on tempura to lv15

[worldly osprey]

yeah im upgrade my resil lv 11 too and now im upgrading temper

[signal hull]

lvl15... my Gods... My only highest one is 10... rest are mostly 5.... T_T

[umbral crown]

My resi is lv6

[swift mango]

My quantum, vigor and Adjustant will have to stop at 8. Tempering will take priority.

[vague slate]

Who would believe in me if not myself 🥹

[unique mountain]

[swift mango]

Someone give Miso a cheer.

[umbral crown]

Yeah, thats the way

[umbral crown]

[swift mango]

Someone is using ASS with resilience too.

[worldly osprey]

im in union low tier so not many material to upgrade. i have resil 11, temper 8 quatum 7 and full 5 other cube

[unique mountain]

You're supposed to

[unique mountain]

Join section to beat blood by getting more cube currency

[vague slate]

Everyone trying to get the silver fail cheer border pssh (copium)

[swift mango]

[signal hull]

Yeah, I'm sure that's the reason.

S-same with me? Right?... Right?.... Guys?

[swift mango]

Everyone is playing 4D chess

[unique mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/boogie-mad-angry-pissed-off-smash-the-table-gif-17295782

[swift mango]

Someone is fat and strong.

[umbral belfry]

lock in 🗣️

[swift mango]

He's gonna beat me just fine.

[unique mountain]

We operate on the avengers accord , as long as megumin beats him after that , it's fine

[swift mango]

I don't have faith in Megumin winning again anytime soon. I would bet on other guys. That first season was just luck.

[unique mountain]

Pfft

[umbral crown]

@swift mango

@tropic summit

[strong hull]

[umbral crown]

ez

[swift mango]

Final Rail detected.

[umbral crown]

I just need kaya to lose, he kinda counters most my teams

[swift mango]

[umbral crown]

Lets trust in Sanis profile

He also won against the boi who copied my S4 teams

[swift mango]

His teams are kinda good enough this time I guess. Maybe he could make a comeback.

[swift mango]

No one copy my teams ever.

That Scar Trina RH from @keen vapor doesn't count. Lots of people use it, not just me.

[umbral crown]

Now i gave scar blanc instead trina

Did a new cook hoping it works

[dense kindle]

Now i want to copy it

[umbral crown]

Scar indom won against emi blanc red hood

[swift mango]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1383106058758656142/1383106940812529774/IMG_20250612_215927.jpg?ex=68582237&is=6856d0b7&hm=19d2e0e3d24101b63b643c1c9f42a1dad2d756d9176920aa0c0053ca0fcb9e6d&

Gl

[umbral crown]

Delta back ?

[swift mango]

It was last season.

[umbral crown]

Oh

[swift mango]

I'm still using the same 4 other teams this season but gonna rebuild next season.

[shell hazel]

my matches but was mostly a white wash, except for Qual 3 I think was more interesting with some back and forth:
Qual 1 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJJ5JsXKH28
Qual 2 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2vVFu4TBoo
Qual 3 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AL3zI_ePGj4

I would have won match 2 but my Ros knocked their SBS down to like 3% hp

[umbral belfry]

what happens here

[shell hazel]

my next match, I think I have a chance might wind up 3-2 to someone

[umbral crown]

Sus

[shell hazel]

I'm attack/bottom

think my SG team may win by being quicker to ros burst

team 3 will depend on how effective Cindy is, might not win that

team 4 I lose probably as their indom comes in later if it falls on SBS, so it runs out a bit after mine

5 they may win due to siren stunning my scarlet

I got a shot but far from certain

[umbral belfry]

t1 is rng no?

your bisc might proc on both moran and noah

[shell hazel]

I beat a similar cindy comp already, their Cindy fires into my Noah as I'm 2.5RL

and my RH just spams away for 10s think I take that one

[umbral belfry]

then whyd you put 3 rl

[shell hazel]

oh sorry it's the only team where my CS matters

[umbral belfry]

wait

[shell hazel]

I have the 17% CS on Noah + Centi

[umbral belfry]

if your Noah is 2.5 and they're 3 rl you lean on losing

slower noah cindy teams to win iirc

[umbral belfry]

I still have ptsd of my 2 rl noah cindy losing to a 3 rl noah rh

[shell hazel]

Cindy nuke is the main issue, Noah lasts a few secs on invuln

I think I win that one just due to tankiness + biscuit + RH spam

[umbral belfry]

idk about that one sir

[shell hazel]

and Noah negating the main nuke

[umbral belfry]

too many times have I seen slower noah team win a mirror

but maybe rng will bless you

they have bisc as well too

[shell hazel]

once their Noah runs out though my RH still bursting away

[umbral belfry]

which depending on taunt prio noah + bisc will eat rh burst

may rng bless you

[shell hazel]

will do to some degree certainly

I just need RNG to bless me

[umbral belfry]

wait a damn second

@shell hazel

who are you trying to indom

[shell hazel]

SBS

it's fired every time so far without fail

[umbral belfry]

[shell hazel]

link is jackal+blanc+SBS

[umbral belfry]

yeah I get that, but why did you order it this way

[shell hazel]

siren proof

[umbral belfry]

fair i suppose but

[shell hazel]

watch my matches with this one, they all worked and I won them all so far, I can lose to bad RNG matchup but seems pretty decent so far and cheap

[umbral crown]

When i see this, its a sigm to win

[shell hazel]

https://youtu.be/MJJ5JsXKH28?si=SlfditNWBVmQ_Sqx&t=144

[umbral crown]

[hollow lagoon]

@shell hazel your one job is to yeet the #2 ranking of my server

[shell hazel]

I dunno if my matchups might be bad on this one Zant, I'll try

2nd SBS indom working example
https://youtu.be/z2vVFu4TBoo?si=TpjTExIVoU9PtCNv&t=94

3rd one working https://youtu.be/AL3zI_ePGj4?si=TKvdEQtE59fhMfNx&t=117

[umbral belfry]

it would be concerning if you didn't get indom vs a scar and sg team

[shell hazel]

the concern with scar team is that p3/p4 kill themselves to scar retaliate and get indom that way

but so far p3/p4 don't link with these and don't get indom, not impossible for misfire maybe but this is a bunch of matches with a similar comp where the indom went to SBS like I wanted

[umbral belfry]

[shell hazel]

yup hopefully

[swift mango]

So you mean I will lose.

[swift mango]

You gonna get Fukkoff

[shell hazel]

get them or get told to anyway lol

[umbral crown]

yes

happened to me, will happen to you

[umbral crown]

indeed

[hollow lagoon]

Yeah I’m done they have the 69%

[swift mango]

Me too, I have 69

[hollow lagoon]

My copium 69

[swift mango]

~~lots actually ~~

[umbral crown]

[crystal flicker]

I don't remember MiharaOS have taunt skill tbh

[torn obsidian]

why mari

[crystal flicker]

It's literally my bracket lmao

[covert lintel]

Liar

[umbral crown]

[crystal flicker]

This either next level target skipping or a freakin bug

After Moran bursting, Mihara taunting instead of Moran

[shell hazel]

starts with M, close enough 😄

[crystal flicker]

I checked their kits just to be sure, there's no taunt in MiharaOS kits, which means she's bugging smh

[unkempt monolith]

HOW!? I won the first time I fought them

[crystal flicker]

Check your deficit

[umbral crown]

[crystal flicker]

Though it's funny you lose against bunch of R

[umbral crown]

waos

[wise horizon]

whats a good counter to Noise/Noah/Cinderella/HelmT/Jackal?

[upper grove]

Rin?

[crystal flicker]

All 321, I only won by H2H lmao

[upper grove]

I watched the stall team destroy my cindy team

My matchup vs zombite was 1-4

[crystal flicker]

Should've use Bughara like above

[upper grove]

Moran taunt less effective than mihara booty

[crystal flicker]

Zombite lost against top 8, top 8 lost against me

I mean I should've won that match, but Mihara bug came out of nowhere

[crystal flicker]

Moran taunt more interested with Mihara ass instead of Moran herself

[keen vapor]

Ok fine, I admit it

PVP as well

[restive willow]

I hope I don't let everyone down

[oak gale]

btw for anyone who doesnt believe that the italian mafia in in my bracket
thats ch1's team.. @shell hazel @tropic summit

https://tenor.com/view/shinobu-kocho-looking-menacing-gif-26555277

[restive willow]

? Put siren p2 and win?

[oak gale]

i just want to know the thought process here
noah wants to burst to tank scarlet's dmg , noise wants to be in the first position to tank all the dmg , biscut wants to be off burst
what in the fungis is this

[oak gale]

already won

[restive willow]

The team is backwards tho, what is that lol

[oak gale]

ye thats what i mean , and here is the thing right
i talked before about that ch1 (now ch2) last season was intentionally losing to his friends or allies or whatever in ch5-6 and yoinking me down to ch6 and then getting back to ch1 , even tho i was at like ch2 or smthn

and now after i got to know my new bracket ppl , all i can say is that ch1-6 is reserved for the italian mafia where they reserve it to who they want , and if u dare to step in 💀 they put u in ch6 or ch7

[oak gale]

the team btw

[sleek root]

Testing out stall comp, i won, kinda fun 1minute ish battle

Nero went meow! meow!

Im gonna invest more

[glossy falcon]

do we know how much cs is actually needed for 2.5 noah to block 2rl scarlet?

[crystal flicker]

21% against 2RL no CS

[glossy falcon]

thanks

I guess that's where my next 2 months of rocks is going

[crystal flicker]

Demo against 5% CS 2RL: #pvp-arena message
#pvp-arena message
Math: #pvp-arena message

[restive willow]

In theory it should work with 20.5% too, as long as your intention is to activate b2 before enemy's b3 proc. I see that the noah died because of that

[crystal flicker]

There is no 20,5% because CS% should be converted to frame/s

[restive willow]

Perhaps your frame by frame analysis differs from mine

The frame decrease threshold seems to be at 20.5

Well somewhere between 20.33 and 20.5

[crystal flicker]

18-20 has the same frame
21-24 has the same frame
25 is the next breakpoint

[restive willow]

I think I mentioned here before, but I do challenge the correctness of that one chart

Whoops wrong number - 9.6 can't block siren stun but 10.55 can

Those kind of things

[crystal flicker]

#pvp-arena message

Yeh you can ask him, it's not my issue

[restive willow]

Sure

@terse dragon hey could you look into the charge speed subdivisions

(Context above)

[tropic summit]

oh god please beat that yellow guy to the ground

whalerino deserves spanking

although i doubt you'll lose, he's running copium teams

last time he did copy some chinnt teams tho wonder what he's running this time, will look later

amazing how i called anis indom and it really ended up that way, clearly 100% went according to keikaku for solid win tho

[tropic summit]

it's just rookie with extra steps

[tropic summit]

what's the problem with that team tho? 2RL scarlet on double buff gets rid of it

[oak gale]

ye its not that its a problem
but u want to tell me that these same people who are able to counter any teams and can strategize to even dispose someone from ch1 down to ch7 , are unable to counter that team?

[tropic summit]

oh you mean it's rigged and they helping each other?

could be, there's ppl doing that in this very chat afterall

[oak gale]

remember when i was talking about that group that is reserving ch1-3 , to the point of intentionally losing to ch6 just to pull me down 💀 only to get back to there

[tropic summit]

mhm

seems possible

looks like you're screwed if that's the case

[oak gale]

ye , lmao
like imagine
step into ch1-6 , and suddenly u wake up to find ur friend in dm asking u why are u in ch6-7 💀

[oak gale]

yep which is why my target after im done maxing siren is lvling up rosanna , to have 3 consistant teams at the very least

[tropic summit]

aight

should probably try to focus on ch4 or ch3 and drop ch2 and ch1 i guess

maybe you can hold off at least some of them

[oak gale]

nope , here is the thing , first season current ch2 was focused on my ass to not get ch1-3 , it kept on going for the entire season and i got ch4 , ch2 back then which is current ch1 before i took em down and ch3 back then which is current ch3 were neutral then, and what used to happen was ch1 back then used to lose to ch4-5 and drop me there
season after that simmilar happened but with the current ch3 (ch3 previously) , for the entire first half
but rn im being chased by a ch6 guy , and if i take ch4, if i take ch1 , if i take whatever it is , its always that i wake up to find myself in ch6-7 💀

and where is that magical guy ch6? he is either in ch6 or ch4 , current season (old ch1-3) are all neutral , except ch3 probably who just takes ch1 then ch6 takes care of the rest

[umbral crown]

no worries, gonna send him back to sp

[oak gale]

welll can i maybe chill in ch3 or ch4 or ch5 , nope , i wake up also in ch7 , and probably if i wait there i will find myself out of challenger at some point 💀 💀 like dawg the bracket switching that happened was not goodie-

[tropic summit]

the same fate as me if i end up against you

[umbral crown]

but but the fun

[oak gale]

[umbral crown]

i was hoping to meet you in finals

[tropic summit]

with the teams i'm running, i'm surprised i even qualified this time

my bay is on 4th line and has less CP than my anis

ultra copium 2RL helm bay

[loud sonnet]

@wild patio you got hit

[umbral crown]

waos

[restive willow]

Did some CS subdivision test to conclude that there are a lot of unknowns. There's a CS threshold between 4.40 and 4.63, and another one between 7.26 and 7.63. Definitely something doesn't happen at exactly whole number intervals. It's not exactly rounding either because if you round 7.63 up to 8, then 8/100 is 2.4/30, so it shouldn't save 3 frames.

[tropic summit]

the only one stable threshold i know is 17% CS

11% teams can prevent siren stun threshold instead

[restive willow]

just do 17% CS on everything, problem solved

[restive willow]

it works at 10.55% cs too

[tropic summit]

oh oke

[restive willow]

i'm pretty sure that's really close to the limit

[tropic summit]

although i guess those 4% and 7% are likely to get those 2.2RL or 2.7RL teams

[restive willow]

generally you need to save 4 frames to decrease 0.1RL (to be precise 1RL is 38 frames). So you want 17% (save 6 frames, three times) to get some 2.53RL (colloquially "2.5RL"), which turns out to be just enough to use B3 before 3RL B2. You still don't get advantage over 2RL B3 (in the sense that your B2 goes after)

[wild patio]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-mysterio-wait-what-wait-a-minute-wth-gif-24634079

[crystal flicker]

*25%

[restive willow]

how many rocks does that even take. you want all black/blue lines with a cs cube

[crystal flicker]

Took me around 50 to get 4 cs on HelmT

[restive willow]

26.48 is the max, so you only have five levels to spare to get that 25%

even throwing out everything except CS, that's easily 100 rocks

[crystal flicker]

It's 1 black, 1 t14, 1 t13, and 1 > 5% to reach 25% the cheapest way

[restive willow]

black
"cheapest"

:( I can't make that investment. i gotta stay top 200 in solo raid

[crystal flicker]

What even top 200 SR gave you

Top 1 CA makes your name immortal in PvP server

[restive willow]

[crystal flicker]

Even the current top 1 CA already challenged SU with his data lmao

[mystic rain]

would anyone like to help me build 3 defense teams for sp :3

[tropic summit]

post your box with nikke ordered by strength

[tropic summit]

taking a look

[mystic rain]

for referencce this is the 3 teams that im trying to cook for defense

but all 3 teams are easily counterable

enemy can just noah my scarlet team
helm burst my blanc jackal team
and just siren lock my noah team

so im trying to find a way to either address those issues

or build new teams entirely

[tropic summit]

yeah they're somewat decent

your next step is to get a siren linked team and a non feed 3rd team

getting rosanna up to speed could also make life harder for the enemy

i'd suggest commiting to 2 strong teams and 1 CP pad team with what you've

[mystic rain]

yea im also planning on investing on sg rosanna team for my next few gear xp

[mystic rain]

yea ive tried but my cp isnt high enough to actually make use of a cp pad team

on the other hand, a cp team does allow for 2 RL on 2 teams

but ive lost a lot with that defense setup

which is why im trying to find a new setup

uhh no cindy

[tropic summit]

and no RH either i see

could do with an ein variant

[mystic rain]

i assume the scarlet jackal team would be 2RL with feed?

[tropic summit]

ye that's about right

unless opponent is running no feed team, could then downgrade to 2.5RL

but at that point they're likely running 2RL themselves, it would serve its purpose

[mystic rain]

what else would u recommend for a 3rd team thats not a cp pad team

would sg rosanna be better here or a blanc team

[tropic summit]

siren scarlet trina xmaiden jackal
noise rumani sbs helmt noah
crown biscuit alice rrh ein

quantum on trina xmaiden jackal
vigor on noise, biscuit
temperance on crown, noah, rumani
resil on helmt
any other nikke run highest lvl cube (bastion/resil)

[tropic summit]

SGs are detrimental in SParena, you're just gonna give them an easy time with either biscuit locked teams or scarlet

1 team is gonna lose to noah, the other generally loses to either indom or scarlet

if you wanna attempt winning defs, you need to run gimmicks like

-siren stun while linked and in p1 or p2
-rosanna 2RL with high pressure
-no feed teams with high sustain and 2RL

[mystic rain]

oh so sg isnt really needed for rosanna then?

[tropic summit]

the teams best at that are

siren+scarlet linked
2RL noah + noise + cindy
2.5RL nero/moran
2RL rosanna (can involve scarlet)

[tropic summit]

SG + rosanna is a CA or attack team

definitely not a SP arena def

[mystic rain]

ahh

[tropic summit]

SGs suffer from several counters that are too easy to pull off

an inexperienced player may struggle at first against them because of pressure on p5 when attacking

[keen vapor]

Moran Bay

[tropic summit]

ye this one can also work, as long as opponent isn't running cindy + noise buffed teams

and as long as that bay isn't 3RL or slower

[mystic rain]

would tempe be good on noise p1?

or is vigor still better

[tropic summit]

prefer vigor over temperance on noise, better team wide heals

also assuming ur noah has lower CS% than noise, noah will be main tank

[mystic rain]

rn my quantum vigor and tempe are only lvl 3 so 2 slots maximum;;

my noah actually has 3 cs lines

and noise has none...

[raven plover]

https://tenor.com/view/woody-woody-toy-story-sora-kh3-kh-gif-27223516

[tropic summit]

noise taunt priority

well once noise dies aggro goes to noah if anything they'll split tank

[raven plover]

https://tenor.com/view/my-man-denzel-my-man-denzel-washington-myyyy-man-gif-376647294737879812

[mystic rain]

also wouldnt tempe be good on siren p1+jackal link

[tropic summit]

if your siren is linked, she shouldn't generally need temperance

would be a different story if she wasn't, then def. run it

[mystic rain]

then tempe would also be wasted on crown cuz of biscuit invul no?

or are u expecting biscuit invul to expire before the team bursts

[tropic summit]

it definitely will, it's just to add more seconds if she lives through it

the point of that team is just to make it annoying for opponent to run specific high CP teams while having to deal with deficit

that team is something between 6RL and 7RL

@keen vapor @umbral crown my copium bay debut went luckier than i expected, got good matchups

RIP enemy rosanna dmg

wth she even survived to the end

[mystic rain]

oh and thanks for the help as well man really

[tropic summit]

you welcome, do work on your rosanna and try to get cindy

[mystic rain]

sure will

[sterile musk]

absolutely annihilating the players on my sp arena

[restive willow]

Is the 17% threshold strict or does 16.9% happen to match it?

[tropic summit]

should be rounded up on your OLs

e.g. 4,6% becomes 5% if i'm not mistaken

e.g. if you've 4,9% + 4,9% + 4,9 = it's actually 5+5+5

[restive willow]

So the cube going from 1.57 to 2.12 doesn't matter?

[tropic summit]

hmm not sure if cube follows same logic, but i'd think it would

1.57 and 2.12 both end up being 2%

3 OLs on 4.6% or 4.9%+ 1 adjutant should be 17%

even better, leaving it on 15% allows you to either run 17% or less than 17%, could help you hit or miss 2.5RL and 3RL when needed

[crystal flicker]

What do you think about my match up

[tropic summit]

top is attacking and bot is defending?

[crystal flicker]

yes

[tropic summit]

hmm T2 and T3 are kinda unsure

scarlet mirror with RNG soda also doesn't help

you also facing a biscuit locked team, ein may or may not live if she's running temperance and/or you crit

this is one hell of a match to bet on

[raven plover]

AI said

[tropic summit]

Might as well have tossed a die

[crystal flicker]

I'm pretty sure I win the 2nd match though

[tropic summit]

depends, if enemy cindy hits p2 first, you can say bye bye to your blanc biscuitless/revive less

you've 3 RLs shooting p2 then cindy nuke at 2.5RL may begin at blanc's position

on the other hand, if cindy nuke begins on p4 or p5 it may lead to misindom

in my eyes, that's kinda RNGy

enemy SG will be shooting bsoda lowering her possibly lower than s.anis

lots of variables for your indom in there

@swift mango finally got to test it out, albeit coincidence, enemy running p1 cindy against my SGs, indeed no target skip cindy

[restive willow]

Is there verification on what happens if you combine two OLs with the same value? The same mechanic applies to ammo as well, but it is confirmed (at least for ammo) that the order is

1. combine all buffs with the same exact value
2. round them
3. add them

The question is for example, does 2.4 + 2.4 become 4 (2 + 2) or 5 (4.8 rounded)?

[misty jackal]

hey @tropic summit
Thanks for your advice i am in the top 64 this time

[hallow trench]

Guys, 25 days without being able to log in, i am bricked on pvp right ? 😦

[restive willow]

e.g. on SR units (6 ammo), a 60% ammo OL bumps 4 ammo, but if you have two lines with 60% (same value), then they actually bump 7 ammo.

[tropic summit]

that's good keep climbing, glad it helped

[tropic summit]

you've lost a decent amount of progress, a bit bricked yeah

[tropic summit]

it's rounding up the single stat then it adds to total

e.g. 4.9 + 4.9 = 10%

[restive willow]

I understand that, but I'm asking if there's an oddity for the specific situations where you have multiple values that are the exact same

for example, 4.6 + 4.9 becoming 10, I agree

[tropic summit]

[restive willow]

4.6 + 4.6 is 9 or 10? I'm not certain

[tropic summit]

it's 4.6 = 5 then 4.6 = 5 then 5+5 = 10%

[hallow trench]

Is it already complicated to get back up to date with my account? I had played for 8 months 😦

[restive willow]

I'm asking if there's a proof for this. Because it's different from how ammo OL behaves if that's the case

[hallow trench]

It would hurt me to have to start from 0

[tropic summit]

you won't get back up to "date" unless you're a p2p against non p2p or dolphins as a whale
26 days of progress isn't "too bad" but it still will hit you if you were aiming for say top6

[restive willow]

If it worked like ammo, then it would be 4.6 + 4.6 = 9.2 then round to 9.
If you had 4.6, 4.6, 4.9, then it would be (4.6 + 4.6) rounded to 9, 4.9 rounded to 5, then add into 14

an edge case if anything, but maybe worth mentioning nonetheless

[hallow trench]

you think its better to start new account ?

[tropic summit]

depends what your goal is, i personally wouldn't recommend it

stick to your account imo, getting diamond 1 for example is well within your reach

and that's still quite a bit of gems

[restive willow]

25 days of no login means if you buy some weekly core dust you're gonna catch back up in a month

[hallow trench]

perfect then 😄

[restive willow]

[hallow trench]

witch one ?

[restive willow]

The one with 90 boxes

[hallow trench]

this one ?

[restive willow]

but honestly if you just play consistently you're going to beat everyone that doesn't play nikke as diligently

which usually ends up in diamond 1

[hallow trench]

perfect 😄

the ranking right now

diamond 1 is this one

[raven plover]

is it only for SGs?

[tropic summit]

as far as i noticed ye

you can see rosanna shooting p2 for example, all SGs are shooting decoy

would be nice testing it with SRs

i'd need cindy to be p5 and running SRs against her

(on atk side)

[raven plover]

[keen vapor]

No

[tropic summit]

probably the man already knows anyway, let's ask the expert @swift mango do SRs hit p4 if cindy is p5 on attack?

[keen vapor]

Don't even think on using Cindy P1

[tropic summit]

why it worked well for the opponent to counter my SGs

[raven plover]

https://tenor.com/view/yee-boy-gif-10218768810105024650

[tropic summit]

surely cindy p1 is a good idea

[keen vapor]

And it's countered by everything else

[tropic summit]

(for the opponent that is)

[umbral belfry]

1 rl

[tropic summit]

[crystal flicker]

I have 5% CS on all RLs in T4, and this is their stall

[tropic summit]

opponent receives feed from soda and scarlet in that team, will both be around 1.9RL, but ye having CS% gives you a favourable edge if anything

[tropic summit]

as for that stall, it's RNGy based on cindy hit priority

1st target is mana? awesome, bye bye helm and no revive until 2nd cycle

1st target is moran or nero? helmt will then revive if hit before mana

[crystal flicker]

Nah, he needs 2RL shoot to reach 2RL

[tropic summit]

no he's 2RL guaranteed via feed

then it becomes who hits their first 1 or 2RLs before opponent

[crystal flicker]

That's what I'm saying, he's 2RL and I"m 1.9RL

[tropic summit]

he could be 1.9RL aswell

just needs CS%...

[crystal flicker]

He can't, 0 investment Anis

[keen vapor]

I'll charge speed you

[tropic summit]

what about jackal and trina?

[crystal flicker]

Decent

[tropic summit]

yeah i wouldn't bet on it

all i can say is: good luck

[crystal flicker]

I can assure you, Moran Nero won't die from the Nuke alone, Mana will die on 1st Nuke and HelmT on 2nd Nuke

[tropic summit]

the point is not letting helmT revive

so it depends on priority it hits

[crystal flicker]

yeh

Thanks though, guess I'll sleep and just wait lol

[tropic summit]

if opponent somehow gets going, you'll be in trouble

[tropic summit]

haha yeah you'll see tomorrow anyway

if anything those matches are popcorn worthy

[crystal flicker]

Also do you know why Mihara getting targeted in this match? #pvp-arena message

[keen vapor]

No

[tropic summit]

isn't that probably Nero?

[crystal flicker]

Wdym?

[keen vapor]

She has a counter

Nero is Scarlet 2

[tropic summit]

she works similar to scarlet, SGs/ARs/MGs bane

[keen vapor]

I already said it

[crystal flicker]

No way

[tropic summit]

takes out the whip

[keen vapor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1026322546934698004.gif?size=48&animated=true&name=whyyysnapped

[crystal flicker]

Thanks!

[keen vapor]

I don't want to max Scarlet's counter

[crystal flicker]

Also sometimes weak Cindy can't kill HelmT in stall comp

[tropic summit]

ye had my helmT team survive aswell with budget bay

DR allows that to happen

temperance + moran/noise + bay/nero

[keen vapor]

But is on level 7

[tropic summit]

well time to hit 10 isn't it

[keen vapor]

Noooooooooo

[umbral crown]

[keen vapor]

What is this

This abomination

[tropic summit]

didn't even need to sacc viper

[keen vapor]

[raven plover]

https://tenor.com/view/what-burger-how-wtf-чзх-gif-25552254

[tropic summit]

sacc viper, get s.anis going with lifesteal from biscuit while also pressure attackers with rosanna

[keen vapor]

[tropic summit]

doubles down as 2 SGs pressure on p5 if defending

has potential for several matchups

[raven plover]

[raven plover]

wait

theres HP percentage now?

[keen vapor]

Yes, finally

[raven plover]

this update?

[keen vapor]

Yes

[raven plover]

https://tenor.com/view/owen-wilson-wow-marley-and-me-smooth-hd-hq-gif-977282450591946462

[onyx scaffold]

How does Mihara dot dmg work in pvp?

[onyx scaffold]

They update it to judge winner in case same battle result. Lmao so they admit their judgment failed before

[keen vapor]

[oblique ridge]

Yes, they clarified the tiebreaker rules

Rounds won, then surviving Nikkes, then their team health

So if tied in rounds and survivors, their team health decide the tiebreaker

Something like that

I think they might have updated the info ingame or so I’d hope

[crystal flicker]

It just works

[onyx scaffold]

Lemme read the kit for the first time. Brb

[onyx scaffold]

Can it work if I dont burst?

[keen vapor]

Specially if

[crystal flicker]

You just need to kill her

[onyx scaffold]

No burst 2

[umbral crown]

New cook

Team is already 3-0

[oblique ridge]

I think it's the, "please kill Viper or Trina" team

It appears to work on this basis:
If it happens that Viper or Trina dies and the death proc maxed the burst bar, Rosanna bursts immediately which nukes highest two ATK.

Then Viper -> Biscuit, or just Biscuit if Viper died, bursts too. Viper's burst is a nuke but she's probably nuking the wrong enemy (p1/p5).

Then SAnis burst and when she procs, she nukes highest two ATK too.

So... I guess it's a comp for "bully the enemy's highest two ATK asap and then ride the victory train"

[umbral crown]

[oblique ridge]

I like it

[small surge]

pain

[glad glade]

You’ll get him someday. I believe in you

[small surge]

well i 2-3ed him better then the 1-4 loss last time

[umbral crown]

Owo

[small surge]

Came down to a close one

[glad glade]

This is the first time I’ve seen a SG team beat a Scar-Jack comp

Is this the true power of max cores?

[small surge]

prob his drake 1v3 ed my Siren, Centi, and Jackal

his Naga was stunned

[glad glade]

If siren was linked, Jackal would have died with her. That means it was more of a 2v1

[small surge]

[glad glade]

Christ, 72% HP. Do you know if scar bursted?

[crystal flicker]

It's only Rosa delete link, after Trina buff exp, Scarlet all by her own unless you give Tempering

So I found it's best to put Stunner P1, Scarlet P2 and Jackal P5, all linked
If you stumbled upon Rosa in CA, Stunner will take enough Dmg and let Scarlet burst

[oblique ridge]

I don't understand how this fight happened and led to a loss

As a rule, one volley from SGs team should cause a 2RL or nearly 2RL Scarlet Jackal to burst instantly at 1RL speed or something crazy fast

I've seen it

And that's not all

Trina makes Scarlet invincible for at least a second

Even with Rosanna bent on dispelling it

So uh... I guess this means Siren and Jackal exploded before they can burst?

But

You said Naga was stunned, so Siren lived

[umbral crown]

Link is out at 1 RL

[oblique ridge]

So Scarlet died swinging but didn't B3 burst

RIP

[crystal flicker]

My Scarlet Jackal actually also lose against SG in CA Q yesterday

But this only for use case where SG is attacker

Oh nvm it's against Mirror + Rosa

[crystal flicker]

@upper grove How many ATK lines does your Scarlet have?

[worthy knoll]

No it will never unless you are already 70% at just 1 RL time

[white compass]

How much do you guys boost up ur pvp units dolls? Purple lvl5?

Or is that too low nowadays?

I've been hoarding my mats for the next fav dolls in case one of em is game breaking.

[crystal flicker]

I do 15 if I have the mats

[restive willow]

If CS threshold exists at 17%, does that mean 7% should also be a threshold?

But 7% doesn't bump charge speed

I wonder why 10% threshold doesn't translate nicely here. At 30fps, 10% CS should be exactly 3 frames, wouldn't it?

[worthy knoll]

The chart was already shown to you before iirc. I assume though its on a P1 to opposing P1 basis

#pvp-arena message

[restive willow]

Positioning shouldn't affect charge speed, just the time taken by the projectile

But yes, that chart is relevant. In fact, that chart is directly contradicting the common 17% knowledge because it's showing that the threshold is at 18% instead

[crystal flicker]

Because 1 RL is not 1 sec?

[restive willow]

1RL is not 1s because of the delay between and after the shots

but the charge duration itself should be 1 second, no?

[crystal flicker]

Cover animation is 0.1s

[restive willow]

1RL should be 38 frames (30fps)

Charge speed does not shorten reload animation

The only part that charge speed shortens is the actual charge duration, which is the 30 frames out of the 38

[crystal flicker]

I know, but 1RL measure the time takes from charging to hitting enemy

[restive willow]

I agree, but that's not really a relevant fact I guess

The chart linked above bundles 17% and 15% together. Does that make sense?

[worthy knoll]

It does, P1/P2 is the same, P3/P4 is a frame quicker

[restive willow]

I am aware indeed

But the charge duration itself still takes the same time regardless of position

P1 RL will shoot at the same time as P5 RL, just that the P5 projectile arrives 2 frames earlier

[worthy knoll]

Yeah I just I meant frame wise

[restive willow]

Still begs the question, why does that chart say 15% CS and 17% CS have the same reduction?

[worthy knoll]

Ask SU

[restive willow]

That chart wasn't made by SU

[worthy knoll]

It was made from their testing

[restive willow]

It's wonky af, but I'm now questioning where the threshold actually lives

[worthy knoll]

Its SU who gave the test environment, that was what they got from the testing

[restive willow]

wtf

If there were a nice equation for it, the threshold would be 2, 5, 8, 11, 15, 18, 21, 25, 28, 31, 35 and so on

[worthy knoll]

As for why, only SU knows why its like that, same with Rosanna hitting by furthest unit for the other target if there is one attacker

[restive willow]

Do we have a better list of what the thresholds are, since clearly SU screwed something up

[worthy knoll]

We saw it like that, but we don't know why

[restive willow]

verdict, spaghetti code

[worthy knoll]

Mmh did you typoed? I looked if it was the same but 14% is a frame slower than 15-17%

[restive willow]

whoops yeah

rather misreading the chart

[worthy knoll]

Well regardless, the tester just plotted what they observed but not trying to know the reason why. Heck there is even a weird rounding system with their OLs

[restive willow]

I wouldn't be surprised if charge speed itself has a weird anomaly in pvp that bumps 18% threshold to 17% and pushes 28% threshold to 29%

[quick lake]

Has to do with frame roundings. cs% must increase enough such that there is an actual frame improvement

[restive willow]

Yes I agree there's rounding involved, but 17% is an anomaly that doesn't work with the rounding either

the threshold before 17% is 15%, and the one after is 21% which is too skewed. Also if rounding were the only thing responsible, then 1 second charge duration means 7% and 27% should also be thresholds (10% * 30 frames = 3 frames, whole number, cannot affect rounding)

For some reason, these things are positioned at 8%, then 17%, then 29%

If you test 17% CS in stage, it actually does fire at the same time as 15%

[quick lake]

Yeah, spaghetti code pvp was an afterthought

[crystal flicker]

25%, just fixed my math

[glossy falcon]

[glossy falcon]

Oh but your sheet says 3rl, 2.5rl is still 21% then?

Actually nvm, im assuming it just means it becomes 2.5 anyways with that much cs

[crystal flicker]

Yeah, 21% is 2.298RL, 25% is 2.205RL

[eager mountain]

just for 4*6% cs to fail when scar team has any cs for all rl
realistically a 2.4rl with helm but putting both noah and helm in same team without getting 2rl, quite a waste, and still lose to 2rl scar with decent cs

https://tenor.com/view/sweaty-gamer-speedrun-whipping-whisk-sweaty-gamer-gif-24775759

[shell hazel]

I have like 4 mirror matches in my 64 one 😦

I'm attack/bottom, not convinced I can win this but may be 3-2 either way

their scarlet mirror beats mine due to siren I think

team 3 will come down to how well my cindy nuke works (or not) as more than one burst cycle they win on sustain

[raven flume]

ohnooo

[crystal flicker]

Realistically it's against 3 x RL, and you need Scarlet counter for that CS to be meaningful

And mostly this comp is for CA, so it's not really a waste coz you still win against everything else

[shell prairie]

how to counter this team, guys?

[crystal flicker]

Siren and Nuke it

[shell prairie]

can u provide a full team pls

[tropic summit]

scarlet helmt trina siren jackal (natural 2RL on double buff)
scarlet helmt blanc siren jackal (3RL promoted to 2RL via feed on double buff, indom)

[shell prairie]

thanks, i havent built Helm yet, time to invest in her

[tropic summit]

if you didn't build helm you can run oldschool scarlet with siren instead of RH

scarlet trina siren centi jackal (2.5RL promoted to 2RL via quantum or feed, double buff)

[shell prairie]

well thing i dont like about Scarlet is her ult can be easily countered by Noa burst

that' why I dont trust Scar like the others

[tropic summit]

you're stunning noah here with siren

you'll be hitting whole team on double buff without their anti nuke

[shell prairie]

does Siren stun randomly or specific target?

[tropic summit]

siren in p3 or p4 or p5 can only stun p1
siren on p1 or p2 can stun anyone that taunts her (e.g. noah in p5 will hit p1 and splash p2, taunting both. If siren is in one of those slots, she'll stun noah)

vid above shows you that noah is disabled and team is bursting with a different B2, leaving themselves to facetank nuke

[shell prairie]

damn, the position can affect the targeting?

[shell prairie]

didnt know this

[tropic summit]

i suggest giving this a 5-10 min read, can give you a better idea of all the basics of PvP

https://nikke.gg/arena-mechanics/

[shell prairie]

did u mean Noah in p1 in this vid?

[tropic summit]

@crystal flicker oh found it, look at this silly mirror scarlet, my trina runs temperance

[tropic summit]

ye enemy siren in p3 is stunning noah in p1, siren didn't need to get taunted as p1 is attacked by default by all gun types, aside from SGs that attack p5 when defending

@shell prairie

On attack:
all gun types on attack, beside SRs: attack p1
SRs attack p5

On defense:
all gun types on defense, beside SGs: attack p1
SGs attack p5

[shell prairie]

so Scar will take the most hits according to ur team formation suggestion here?

[tropic summit]

scarlet is jackal linked, that makes damage be distributed to 3 nikke, enabling her to also abuse of s2 and receiving feed from hits

in general with jackal you want:

p1 linked, p2 linked, p5 linked

the linked units are those with the 2 highest atk% stats (OL included)

in your lineups above, it's very likely covered by scarlet, helmT and jackal

(the 2 being attackers have naturally higher atk% than supporter and defender class)

[shell prairie]

im trying this formation
scarlet helmt blanc siren jackal
but since I havent build Helm yet, anyone else to replace her?

[tropic summit]

using the mechanic above with indom, can allow you to run a specific target for indom buff given by blanc, example below:

scarlet laplace and jackal are linked
scarlet has lowest HP% (self damage)
indom target: scarlet

[tropic summit]

to use helmt in that formation she needs to have s1 lvl 10 and reached phase 2 treasure though

[shell prairie]

oh noice

thanks alot

is Siren the most effective to counter Noah?
if dealing with a team without Noah, is she still good?

[raven plover]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-verne-over-the-hedge-turtle-disbelief-gif-24744867

[shell prairie]

I dont even see Siren in the top players' teams of my pvp board xD

[tropic summit]

siren buff is milder when compared to liter or RH, it depends on what you facing

although in general scarlet + trina, if the following are met, are sufficient to be lethal on a team that doesn't get to B1 moran/noise:

scarlet 10/x/10, SR5 or SR15, atk OL 30%-40%
trina 4/7/7

running the above on 2RL against a noise/moran on 2.5RL, will result in likely the enemy surviving, so in that case you want double buff

e.g.:
scarlet trina siren flex jackal (flex ideally a passive buffer, like drakeT or noir)
scarlet helmt trina siren jackal

[sleek root]

Worth OL Mana for Stall comps? trying to build a 5th team for CA

Wondering if her dmg is worth it

[tropic summit]

any unit ran in CA or SParena is worth OL'ing, for the simple reason it may allow them to live longer, especially in a stall team

the only case i can think of where you DON'T want them to live longer, is when used to sacc with rosanna, e.g you want that unit to die asap to give you burst gen

like a certain madlad in this chat

[shell hazel]

Railtracer am I deadge?

#pvp-arena message

[tropic summit]

top is atk bot is def?

[shell hazel]

other way around

I'm attack/bottom (I prefer attack on bottom as it's same view as the replays then)

[tropic summit]

[shell hazel]

I can re-send flipped if you want 🙂

it just hurts my head the other way around as it's backwards compared to the combat view

I think I lose 4/5

4 due to faster indom meaning it runs out first

and 5 due to siren stun scarlet

3 I think will come down to whether my cindy wipes enough of them or not

2 I may be able to win but atk is bad for my team as they will hit me in reverse meaning bsoda won't sac as easily

but my ros may go first

1 I dunno, my noah eats cindy nuke so it depends how effective RH is at slamming into their noah/biscuit before invuln wears out. I actually wanted Rapi here but missing the 1 quantum I'd need to keep the 2.5RL

[shell hazel]

yeah that was kinda my assessment I think it will boil down to match 3 and cindy

at least my Cindy is fairly well built

[tropic summit]

you've the same issue as Sui

[tropic summit]

cindy hit priority will dictate if helmT gets to revive or not

e.g. cindy starts on mana, helmT then dies, no res because it will be moran B1

e.g. cindy starts on helmT, helmt will revive via mana, you're screwed

[shell hazel]

yeah

ah well we see in 45 mins I guess

my teams this time were interesting, be keen to see what I can change up for next CA as I'll probably shuffle again

I should have LapT by then, if solo raid ever bothers to open up again

the 2.5RL indom SBS is fairly cheap and reliable for me so far but it loses to slower SBS or biscuit/noah comps

[tropic summit]

the good thing compared to Sui is that here you've a whole 1RL of distance, might be enough to actually wipe regardless of initial hit priority

[shell hazel]

yes that is true

[tropic summit]

as moran won't go off just yet

[shell hazel]

they don't have super invested units, at least on that team

[tropic summit]

fingeroni crossed and you might 3-2

[shell hazel]

it depends a bit on how the wipes/res goes I suppose 😛

[tropic summit]

the other RNG factor on t5, if siren gets enough scarlet s2, she's dead pre 2RL

[shell hazel]

that would be good... 😛

[tropic summit]

even more so if badly invested

[shell hazel]

my maiden is a bit built her nuke isn't awful

[tropic summit]

you're busting with xmaiden

[shell hazel]

but scarlet is instant

[tropic summit]

xmaiden will delete enemy scarlet as she'll be on low HP

[shell hazel]

I can't really make that team siren proof without rumani p1 probably, if she's tanky enough

[tropic summit]

in that case you'd still trade positively

although if you saw my vid earlier, both could go off at same time

then you're ded

[shell hazel]

I'm half expecting to lose 4/5 but I suppose winning 5 isn't impossible

[tropic summit]

#pvp-arena message

[tropic summit]

this would be a good addition, considering you're forced to run blue and purple units atm i see

[shell hazel]

their t3

[tropic summit]

oh blue doll everywhere

[shell hazel]

garbage invest apart from Helm - still comp matters more than cp

[tropic summit]

yeah there's 3 chance out of 5 that mana will waste ress on non-helmT and 1 chance out of 5 that mana is first death

[shell hazel]

I'm generally better invested than my opponent but SR-15 scarlet will still wipe etc in the right team

they have the core pieces invested enough to be a threat in bad matchups

[shell hazel]

haha those were partially an experiment, I was seeing if I could maintain good speeds with garbage units

and them not being in danger etc

[tropic summit]

tbh after seeing this the 3-2 is even more possible

rapu is especially squishy if on blue doll

[shell hazel]

their Drake isn't DrakeT btw, that wasn't a mistake on my part

[crystal flicker]

*less than 33

[tropic summit]

he has ammo OL

[shell hazel]

my general investment is pretty OK across the board

[tropic summit]

get that trina SR5 asap if on p2 though, or you running temperance at least?

[onyx scaffold]

gotta get that silver frame

[shell hazel]

I don't have any purple RL dolls

the one I don't have now would go to LapT, then I need like 4 more lol

[tropic summit]

blue doll p2 trina is ballsy

[shell hazel]

it's 2RL slower and I'd agree not failed me yet

[crystal flicker]

Whos sane enough to run RL with Temperance in non-stall comp

[placid bloom]

Your SGs feed them to 2RL, they feed you to 2.5 only. But Idk if you will get wrong indom or not since SBS 3rd slash might hit P23

[tropic summit]

you got me

[placid bloom]

Unless sync lock endurance cube gives you more Def than doll and OL

[crystal flicker]

Now that I think about it, isn't cs cube kinda underrated coz you can get faster Nuke with that thing

[shell hazel]

would be funny if I won by speeding them up...

[placid bloom]

Because I doubt you have real gear on P23 and R base stat too low

[shell hazel]

right I do not

but it triggered on SBS 3/3 times so far at least

[tropic summit]

ye misindom is also a problemo here, although the speed factor from SG might actually make enemy team faster indom so that's 1 less variable but 1 more on HP priority

[placid bloom]

In mirror? Because SBS is one of the few char that can consistently hit p4 of people put uninvest there

Very few chars can do that

[tropic summit]

P23 indom let's go

[shell hazel]

haha

P23 can carry

I'll upload the matches soon after so we can see

btw my Ros 30% atk failed to nuke opponent SBS so 40% atk it is

do you know what's insane? I had the harder time with the guy who lost all 3 matches

bottom dude

I was 5-0 sweep on the other 2

[tropic summit]

beluga whales are not to be understimated

[shell hazel]

yeah it's just weird they gave me the most trouble yet lost all 3 matches

and I nuked the other 2 into oblivion wasn't even close

[tropic summit]

probably matchup counters

take away CP and that's all that remains

RNG on crits, target priority, side advantages

[shell hazel]

https://youtu.be/AL3zI_ePGj4?si=8Tytj5uezJo02rvD&t=45

was their SBS under indom here? my Ros left her on like 3% hp lol

adding last 10% atk means rolling off the ele/ammo from the boots

I lack the rocks atm as I'm trying to improve my siren rolls a bit, but in the end I think I'll need to add the 4th atk line

[placid bloom]

yeah she got indom after you hit her with Ros, just in time to survive Drake burst

[shell hazel]

so if ros had that extra atk she'd have been goodnight?

[tropic summit]

or critted

[placid bloom]

yeah

[upper grove]

Only 2

[shell hazel]

my ros is SR-5 I'm still working on SR-15 (I can probably do it but I really want LapT done first)

and her gear is +0 so some room to improve that also

[tropic summit]

arm and head should be +2 at least

costs little for a few extra stats

[shell hazel]

yeah tbh long term I'm probably +2 all the gear on all my pvp units at the least

but I'm needing new OL for LapT and some others, in a fairly good spot though

not far off all having basic OL done now

losing 1 was a surprise I think Rapi would actually be better in the same comp, due to her AOE spam

lmao

[tropic summit]

ah yes, good ol product 23 indom

[placid bloom]

103m damage taken

round 1 maybe you ran out of Biscuit proc earlier, since you don't actually proc their Biscuit until Noah takes a lot of splash but your Moran should proc early

[tropic summit]

the curious matches here are T1, T3 and T5

especially T5 if siren died or you actually killed with xmaiden

do post the vids if you want to

[shell hazel]

I have just finished recording I'll upload now

t5 xmaiden burst and then killed siren

T1 - my RH just failed to make a dent, honestly I'd run this if I could

it needed a quantum cube I don't have but it's 2.5RL and Rapi is a lot more deadly than RH here due to AOE

lmao, booba vs boobmilk, guess we know who wins that one now

[placid bloom]

yeah you are walled forever once Noah burst taunt applies, you lose both your Biscuit procs earlier because Moran + Noah p1 + 2 whereas their Noah is only taking splash if you're shooting Noise, so Biscuit proc doesn't really start until post-invin when everyone hits Noah

[shell hazel]

yeah, rapi would at least trigger their biscuit procs sooner

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sM8W2VfSlFU

the matches @tropic summit

T3 was a sweep btw barely a sweat 😉

[placid bloom]

yeah their t3 is super ungeared

everyone died to 1 burst hit, didn't even need second hit other than Moran reviving

[shell hazel]

yeah helps my cindy is fairly stacked too I guess but yep, investment win there

grats @hollow lagoon

how can I avoid the SBS situation if running the same team? Looks like p23 was barely hit but low invest means chonk of health gone

[placid bloom]

not doable with uninvested unit tbh, you can try putting XMaid there since she's defender and has similar burst gen

and she won't be lowest Def on the team

but assuming Blanc and SBS are the Jackal links

[shell hazel]

guess it takes her out of the potentially more useful scar team though where she was handy

[placid bloom]

you still gotta replace Neon too

[shell hazel]

yeah they are

[placid bloom]

so yeah not really doable, at least for that specific mirror

[shell hazel]

let's see what comps I'm up against next...

[placid bloom]

the ideal way to do it is 2 attacker linked, Blanc unlinked

with SBS being the lower HP of the 2 attackers

[shell hazel]

guess LapT maybe fits this nicely

[crystal flicker]

Ok I lose
Mostly lack dmg

[tropic summit]

the lad gonna need to invest that one

[shell hazel]

but will be slower than 2.5RL maybe

[shell hazel]

their whole teams need invest (check near the end of the video). sure SBS/Scarlet/Siren etc got some cp but rest is quite low

[crystal flicker]

Can you believe 50 ELE + 35 ATK can't kill HelmT + Moran

[shell hazel]

i'm miles ahead of em for the rest, which is good 🙂

[tropic summit]

ye DR is the bane for rosanna

[placid bloom]

yeah probably not doable for 2.5RL unless you move one of your real clip SGs to that team

[tropic summit]

add temperance and SR15, helmt can't be killed

[placid bloom]

or invest in extra clip SGs like Maiden/Sugar

[unique mountain]

Blood is through

[placid bloom]

I guess if you get 17% cs on LapT it works too

[glacial lion]

they never fix taunt vs rh burst huh

[placid bloom]

but that's so much

[shell hazel]

Rail what you think on next? I'm def/bottom

[worthy knoll]

Attract not working immediately for defending side normal attacks, need initial target to die first or they get debuff taunted. RH/Alice is counted as normal attack, albeit powered up

[shell hazel]

1 - I just lost this match so I lose this as well lol
2 - if I chomp Noir + Anchor before they burst I can win
3 - Noise buffed Cindy may win? I'm slower but Scarlet investment check I guess
4 - hard to say, Indom should SBS this time but if they're good at sustain I'd deadge after burst
5 - depends if I nuke before they indom

they will feed my SBS indom a lot with that comp

[placid bloom]

round 3 is triple buffed Scarlet but they have no Jackal, I don't think they ever burst

[shell hazel]

I checked they can't get to 2RL even if they all have quantums and high CS lol

the issue with siren in this team is her speed

[placid bloom]

if they had Jackal instead of Anis it would be okay

but that might just die to Pepper nuke if you are strong enough

[shell hazel]

they do have jackal on t5 so I feed them a bit, but it's quite far off 2RL as well

my pepper is weak tbh, no invest, but we're all similarly not fully invested at this sync/point

[worthy knoll]

I think for easier view, make defending the one on top

[shell hazel]

I said that but Rail said other way around lol 😄

I much prefer def on top, because it's same as combat view then

[worthy knoll]

So it looks like how it is on arena

[worthy knoll]

Exactly

[shell hazel]

the other way around here, I prefer it as well

[placid bloom]

I think you win r4, Blanc SBS is fairly good into dmg reduc stall if their stats aren't the best

depends on invest ofc

[shell hazel]

the opponent is a bit of a whale core max that, core max this

I have 0 core max anything still

[placid bloom]

p5 should be wipe but I haven't checked bullet count

actually no, you have Maiden

[shell hazel]

yeah she adds feed

[worthy knoll]

Did you lose T1 before? I feel you have the advantage to that coz RH but I guess you got Biscuit blocked while Moran Noah got one Biscuit each making it quicker to end the stall