pvp-arena

[wanton island]

sus man... pure sus

[swift mango]

Up until this year.

[wanton island]

they did it after their 2nd year. they werent around long enough to rerun

[swift mango]

People asking for Collab rerun with Eva as predecessor.

[wanton island]

thats like saying "awe man. only been a year, shoulda gotten a rerun"

[swift mango]

They reran Eva in 3 months

[keen vapor]

Stellar Blade is the new story and character

[swift mango]

Aye man, only 3 month, should have gotten a rerun

[crystal flicker]

Master 16 in action

[pure moss]

4-1 sheesh

[swift mango]

Yes, it's the 2nd Collab this year.

[crystal flicker]

How the hell I lose

[wanton island]

3 months? since when? eva 2 was after cinderella and there was no eva 1 for 6 months

[swift mango]

You just lose

[keen vapor]

What will be the third Collab

[cedar orbit]

Game just decided to hand 3 hard counters in CA

[swift mango]

You could nitpick it as 6 months. Nothing change

[placid bloom]

Idk why you guys are arguing, if you think collab will come back you are free to skip the collab. You are the one taking that gamble

[swift mango]

High chance it's CSM movie

[wanton island]

are you saying eva1 was the event before cindy?

[cedar orbit]

Poor 20% who voted for me.

[swift mango]

Yes

1 event difference

But yes

[keen vapor]

A collab I can skip, good

[wanton island]

i came during flora so i missed whenever eva1 happened, but w/e. looks like reruns are happening

[swift mango]

But watch the movie. Maybe you will start fanboy-ing Reze.

[keen vapor]

But I don't like demons e.e

Not even if they have Nanachi voice

[swift mango]

Ah~. Don't be like that!

[keen vapor]

I can feel the danger of that pen

LET ME OUT

LET ME OOOOOOOUUUUUUUUUT

[swift mango]

How about a flower?

[keen vapor]

She got naked

[swift mango]

Higher quality

We degenerates can never find a girl a sweet as her in this life.

[shell hazel]

@hollow lagoon W L W W W then! I thought your team 1 may lose but if Ros sac works on any death though you had a chance 🙂

thanks for making my vote easier anyway lol I'm going for the loser frame atm

[hollow lagoon]

wot i won?

[shell hazel]

yes W L W W W

[swift mango]

You could be her "one and only"

Man, enough propaganda.

[fiery parcel]

Speaking of csm. Is nayuta really dead?

[swift mango]

https://images.app.goo.gl/KEo8Y

[swift mango]

Probably yes? But maybe death devil faked her death. Who knows.

We know death devil faked her identity so it's possible she could fake her sister death too.

[keen vapor]

😭

[fiery parcel]

It's just that her death was an offscreen mention

So it feels weird

[swift mango]

I thought you don't like demon?

[keen vapor]

Wasn't she an innocent.... Oh wait

[swift mango]

Every girl ever pass Denji life is a demon.

Nayuta is basically Makima reincarnation

[keen vapor]

No, there's that one girl

[swift mango]

Nayuta death could pave the way for Makima personality to come back.

[fiery parcel]

Kobeni?

[keen vapor]

YES, THAT ONE

[fiery parcel]

She wasnt attacted to denji

[swift mango]

She has nothing to do with Denji love life, not at all. Not even a friend.

[keen vapor]

Good for her, good for her

[fiery parcel]

Thos her car got a higher rank in popularity than her lol

That was some funny shit by the fans

Japanese fans are weird..makima grill

[hollow lagoon]

@swift mango u were correct

[lunar pawn]

3 of 6

[uneven raptor]

Hello, no 😅

[vague slate]

maaan

[coarse solstice]

I'll check it out once I get to my lunch break Good luck! Your the last one standing!!!!

McFlys in too! Hell yeah

[shell hazel]

ah I think my guess was good too and after we talked about ros sac on anyone working I thought your t1 had more of a chance than before 🙂

still 4/5 right is good!

[hollow lagoon]

i know

[swift mango]

@wanton island They didn't really say 3 Collab this year, just another Collab after Stellar Blade so maybe Nier rerun and that's it. But stay stunned for more.

[wanton island]

they did say 3 collabs this year during anniversary livestream

dev notes at the end

iirc it was 2 collabs last year but they wanted to add +1 this year

[keen vapor]

Ah right, CA

[keen vapor]

Dave the diver make it 3

[wanton island]

then 4?

idr. fm old man memory

[keen vapor]

3, last year

[wanton island]

from what i got out of it was they wanted to add an additional collab this year though

[wanton island]

then im guessing they want to stuff a 4th this year

[keen vapor]

Okay, 2.5 collabs last year

[wanton island]

idk. i just remember intent. not the specifics

[covert lintel]

A rematch between @raven plover and @karmic smelt but hobo still failed

[swift mango]

They only count big Collab with nikke to pull lol.

[raven plover]

[crystal flicker]

Fellow losing 16s

[wanton island]

k. well im surprised bunny event got ditched this year...unless they do like a bunny summer mix event

[crystal flicker]

All I care is if SB has PvP potential

[kind palm]

[crystal flicker]

If not than it's meh

[kind palm]

3 people in my rookie got to top8 this time

[swift mango]

I care about their butts potential too.

[hollow lagoon]

ugh i hate collabs

[covert lintel]

Someone used milkTea

[shell hazel]

wonder if I'm voting on your match again let's see...

[swift mango]

Agree to disagree

[hollow lagoon]

wallet dies

[kind palm]

if they rerun nier they might rerun rezero and still profit with emilia rerun for pvp players

[swift mango]

Emilia Core+7

[covert lintel]

I want priscilla

[shell hazel]

yes! this man gets it! 🙂

https://tenor.com/view/priscilla-barielle-re-zero-season-3-gif-3494556374151434544

Voting on the Sakura match Zant sorry 😦

[karmic smelt]

Is 2:1 atm

[hollow lagoon]

i'm indifferent i'm locked into voting for my self anyway

[karmic smelt]

I just hope that I could win a champ this time

[swift mango]

I want this Priscilla.

[karmic smelt]

I feel kinda cheated that I didn’t win last season lol with my team 3

[hollow lagoon]

are you in my bracket

[karmic smelt]

What’s your ign?

[swift mango]

Ofc not lol

He is month one player.

[hollow lagoon]

mmmmmmk

[covert lintel]

Who's that

[karmic smelt]

I was actually -15 minutes player

[swift mango]

Priscilla

[karmic smelt]

The game server opened 15 minutes earlier than the announced time

[covert lintel]

Not in rezero🚮

[swift mango]

But it's objectively more a masterpiece comparing to re:zero.

The best female action manga ever existed.

[crystal flicker]

You know what

I should've won today's CA if BSoda didn't steal Indom

Or if Scarlet has more ATK lines

Bloody hell

[karmic smelt]

Why I see 3 Enriches in chat

[keen vapor]

@swift mango WASN'T SODA SUPPOSED TO STUN NOAH?!

[swift mango]

And my Bay got stunned by Soda when I won season 3 CA, but my Bay team still won.

[swift mango]

She only stun the last one that Taunt her and another random one.

I guess I didn't tell you about this.

[crystal flicker]

My BSoda did 1v5 against Cindy comp and die after killing 2
My Scarlet nuking stall when Moran stunned and fail to wipe

[keen vapor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1026322546934698004.gif?size=48&animated=true&name=whyyysnapped

Previous champion got defeated by RNG

[crystal flicker]

Can you imagine 4 ELE Scarlet fail to kill HelmT

[swift mango]

[swift mango]

How many % total. And did your 101010 scarlet buffed by 101010 Trina?

[shell hazel]

Need to analyse my next match for the loser frame

[crystal flicker]

101010 yes 74% ish

I want to roll more atk for Scarlet

[swift mango]

101010 Trina as well?

[shell hazel]

Sakura is attack / bottom

[crystal flicker]

But I need to get last CS for HelmT

[shell hazel]

think L L L W W maybe - any thoughts?

T1 - shotgun on def should chew through scarlet team in reverse

[swift mango]

I did think Soda would stun both taunter too until like 3 weeks ago.

[shell hazel]

T2 - suicide onto scar/jack

[swift mango]

[swift mango]

Just vote for your opponent

[keen vapor]

once again I'm not getting gold frame

Every season a very weird match happens

[swift mango]

Other than 5th being bottom win. All 1 to 4 both side could win defending on investment.... 4 probably went to bottom at same investment... But 1-2-3 could go both ways.

[crystal flicker]

5/10/10

[swift mango]

Maybe your scarlet 0lb and their HelmT max core.

[crystal flicker]

Or they using Tempering ass

[shell hazel]

I'm not playing sorry it's just my next cheer

[shell hazel]

I think 4 loses due to speed at 4RL

bottom will burst without much issue even if noise dies with rumani

biscuit kind of stops them going anything further, I'm quite sure on attack winning 4/5 but first 3 are less clear

[swift mango]

It's mostly biscuit carry

[ionic rose]

Does Drakes burst only hit one unit in pvp or is it AoE?

[placid bloom]

hits 1, think it has priority against enemy with highest Atk

[ionic rose]

I was thinking of using drake burst instead of bunny soda since drake is more invested, but most people use soda's burst

[placid bloom]

it's not bad, but it can get taunted

so not great either

safer just to go with AoE option

[ionic rose]

Isee, thanks

[cinder siren]

do i need any replacement?

[placid bloom]

probably swap Rapu with Mermaid since you're not bursting with her anyway, move Cinderella to 3rd slot and swap SBS for HelmT

[cinder siren]

thankd bud

[placid bloom]

you have Scarlet Trina too but Idk how much CP you lose with that

[cinder siren]

yes i havent invest in them much

can u give me suggestions for sp arena too, please?

[cinder siren]

anyway is it ok i havent build my mermaid?

[placid bloom]

if you didn't build her yet and you need more CP you can use Noise in first slot, move Jackal to slot 2

[cedar orbit]

same RL Noah doesn't block Emilia, right?

[calm gull]

they start to copy mine again
tbh idk how to beat my own def

[cinder siren]

thanks im copying ur

[calm gull]

no problem

[near plank]

@raven plover stop throwing

[swift mango]

Do 2rl indom Scarlet. With Scarlet p1, more than 30 ammo and the only burst 3.

[calm gull]

the thing is, my alt acc is scarletless

[swift mango]

Hobo spent all his luck of the year. So he now had to sleep on cardboard.

[cinder siren]

can anyone help me build sp arean teams?

[calm gull]

I am no longer qualified for CA
my roster is pain

[swift mango]

Did you try the same team but replacing Noah+Cindy with Trina Scarlet?

[calm gull]

I dont have scarlet

[umbral crown]

Will check again innsome minutes

[cedar orbit]

idk, kinda Iffy if Scarlet can kill the whole team+Cindy decoy

[swift mango]

Lol Nvm.

Try 2rl Indom SBS but SBS p1 and no other B3.

[calm gull]

Noise Blanc SBS Centi Jackal?

[raven plover]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1262061633748992000/1379807912482050129/20250508_031440.gif?ex=68497ec1&is=68482d41&hm=47610f6888375c78f8263af72c8262074d4287dcbab96c3960bc682f3a9799f4&

[swift mango]

SBS p1 I mean

[calm gull]

so that team but sbs at p1?

[cedar orbit]

probably 2 RL Noah+Biscuit+Cindy wins against it easily

[calm gull]

I use that team to counter 2RL Noah biscuit even

siren stun noah

[cedar orbit]

she shouldn't stun 2 RL Noah

[swift mango]

Use Rumani instead of Noise

[calm gull]

oh nvm yeah my Helm is faster 21%CS

[cinder siren]

this is my fav gif now

[calm gull]

I see

[swift mango]

You could try

Siren+Blanc+HelmT+Centi+Jackal.

If their Noah doesn't have 11% CS.

[umbral belfry]

claymore

[swift mango]

[calm gull]

gotcha

[lone sequoia]

is that team 2RL?

[cedar orbit]

bro pretends like CS matters on a single unit

[umbral belfry]

huge fan of that series

[swift mango]

Noah, HelmT and Jackal usually.

[lone sequoia]

it matter... only if you know the burst gen of your team

you can always use jackal p1 and your chain in other positions

[swift mango]

HelmT only need 5%

[cedar orbit]

on 2 RL full of rocket launchers, chances you don't generate 90 energy in 1 RL, so unless your whole team has CS%, it doesn't matter

[umbral belfry]

go for gold

[near plank]

https://tenor.com/view/doro-bonk-nikke-hammer-gif-11217378073275488721

[lone sequoia]

unless you have really high burst gen and you can skip some shots in the 2nd wave but in natural 2RL teams you can't most of the time

[swift mango]

This isn't about energy. This is about 2rl Noah with overall 11% CS burst before siren taunt.

Though SR like HelmT only needs 5% from my test.

[lone sequoia]

about the travel time?

yeah, snipers are faster than RLs

[umbral belfry]

WAIT NIER RERUN?

[swift mango]

7/3

[umbral belfry]

[lone sequoia]

3rd collab after the 2nd and the 4th will be before anniversary

[umbral belfry]

I fear that my gems are in danger

[cinder siren]

is this ok for sp arena

[swift mango]

Eva 2

Eva 1 rerun

SB

Nier rerun

2 if you count non rerun only, 4 if you count rerun.

[lone sequoia]

slow team, ok team, another slow team

[umbral belfry]

surely re zero collab next

surely I can get emi

[lone sequoia]

to me re:zero was the 2nd worst collab we got

[umbral belfry]

[cedar orbit]

I think it's safe to say this team is 2 RL, LM can't stun Noah before burst, no?

[lone sequoia]

SU started to lower the drop rates with rem banner

[swift mango]

2rl Noah will be stun unless the team has 11% CS on every RL and 5% CS on every SR+LapT

Actually it's the speed of the unit that hit 100% gen for the team but let's leave the complications aside.

[lone sequoia]

noah p2, only soda or rapu (but 0 dmg) can stun that

[swift mango]

Siren p1-2 can stun that...

[lone sequoia]

the 11%cs is the minimum team speed, not the cs of noah (you still want cs on her)

[atomic wolf]

IIIIIIIIRON

I NEED MORE BLOOD

[placid bloom]

pretty sure you just run the mirror but you don't run Noah. Their Noah will get stunned and they cannot B2 at all, your Mermaid gets stunned but that makes 0 difference.

[swift mango]

Not minimum team speed but the speed of the unit that hit 100% burst gen for the team.

But like I said, let's that complicated stuff aside.

[atomic wolf]

what is this trash shit

[lone sequoia]

jackal p1 and nuke with scarlet, easier team

[atomic wolf]

rule 1,2,3,4: Don't run jackal on cindy team

[lone sequoia]

yes, and the unit who last hit or allow the team to reach the burst chain is who set the team speed

[swift mango]

If you wanted to dig deeper, for example,

Noah+Biscuit+HelmT+RH+Emi

Biscuit can have 0% CS. Doesn't matter.

[cedar orbit]

I think it's justified running Jackal on that team

[lone sequoia]

you are complicating yourself, to prove something that doesn't matter, the unit who last hit is the one that set the team speed, depending in the action range (normal 2, 3, 4 RL speed)

[atomic wolf]

unironically its best to just run a 2.5 team

rather than commit into a 2 team

also it's rookie lmao lol even

[lone sequoia]

we both said the same thing

[cedar orbit]

that gets blocked by 3 RL Noah, don't really understand the argument.

[atomic wolf]

well then just run 3rl?

[swift mango]

I said last hit. You said minimum.

Last hit = the unit that get team to 100% burst.

Minimum = the unit with lowest CS.

[atomic wolf]

in fact,

[cedar orbit]

why not just run a 5 RL team and be done with rookie arena

[strong hull]

Blood kun

[swift mango]

[strong hull]

You know the drill

[cedar orbit]

Blood usually argues for the sake of argument.

[modern island]

Is Makima even somewhat viable in arena? I wanna use her.

[strong hull]

Im done everything you recommend me

Give me new one.

[atomic wolf]

then wtf is the point of you asking

[swift mango]

Even the "I'm not the demon god lackey"?

[strong hull]

Yes

[lone sequoia]

if your cp is higher than 30% average in your sp

[cedar orbit]

I'm not asking

[atomic wolf]

also uh

[keen vapor]

Centaur no Nayami

[atomic wolf]

do this like i said

[lone sequoia]

not good in sp, but have uses in CA (if you are lucky to play that mode)

[cedar orbit]

I'm running this rookie arena team, no one has ever beaten it

[atomic wolf]

if you don't have another b2, the filler slot is whatever

[strong hull]

Tag?

[atomic wolf]

oh it was another account

[atomic wolf]

noise p2 biscuit i think you are pvp god

[keen vapor]

Slice of life/occasional ecc- Dyno

[modern island]

I never played much of PvP I don’t even think my teams are any good.

[atomic wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/neurosama-neuro-neuro-sama-evil-neuro-vedal-gif-5403388162769882915

[strong hull]

Harem no?

[swift mango]

There aren't much Manhwa harem I like. If you fine with Manhua then I have more

---

But here is one series I dropped but probably fit your preference.

"Survive the game as a barbarian"

[strong hull]

[keen vapor]

One character reads monster Musume so technically....

[strong hull]

Monster musume

[lone sequoia]

i would say that mihara+makima is a full rng team but fun, still not good in sp

[swift mango]

You mean "a centaur's life"? Or?

[keen vapor]

Yes

[strong hull]

Alr how about isekai as a villain

Like the extra survival guide

Something like that

[swift mango]

If that's a harem then I'm an alien.

[strong hull]

[swift mango]

[keen vapor]

I said technically

[strong hull]

[modern island]

Mihara might perhaps be my highest power unit atm so could be fun

[lone sequoia]

how is your xmica in CA teams, are you using her?

[swift mango]

https://comick.io/comic/00-i-became-the-tyrant-of-a-defense-game

[cedar orbit]

see, this is what you get for not running Jackal, you get stunned by LM

[swift mango]

https://comick.io/comic/00-lout-of-count-s-family

[strong hull]

[coarse solstice]

First round I'm pretty sure you get the dub but didn't look super hard. Busy at work today

[lone sequoia]

jackal p1 and normal scarlet nuke or dr team for a easy win

[strong hull]

Man im super concerning rn

[keen vapor]

No, I did thought on a concept but I was tired on cooking day

[modern island]

So is siren meta as an off B1?

My scarlet is built should I just go for a nuke team with her and Trina?

[strong hull]

Tbh Survival Guide is the one that satisfied me the most

[dim sapphire]

pretty meta in capvp

[cedar orbit]

only boomers run Scarlet in rookie, only whales have dr

[lone sequoia]

unit with a stun, just to weaker the enemy burst chain or to lower their burst gen

[swift mango]

https://mangapark.net/title/75142-en-the-genius-prince-s-guide-to-raising-a-nation-out-of-debt-hey-how-about-treason

A harem manga. Idk if you already read it. But it just got picked up again recently.

[strong hull]

Well then

[lone sequoia]

one of my teams in my alt was noah/biscuit/cindy/rh/emi, xmica swap for rh if you don't have cs in that team, but if they want to use cindy your cindy tank, if they use siren+scarlet should be 50/50 and need SR15+tempering to tank

[strong hull]

Ill try all

[cedar orbit]

only offense I use for rookie

[lone sequoia]

but it doesn't matter what units you use in pvp at this point, you have to fix cs and boost cp as "the only way" to counter teams

[modern island]

Ohhh I forgot I had Emilia too

Emilia nuke > scarlet nuke?

[cedar orbit]

Emilia bypasses Noah+Biscuit

[modern island]

I’ll have to build her then. Another time I wanna focus on building Eve.

[cedar orbit]

Don't remember if 2 RL Scarlet was too slow or too weak to hit this, it was pre-Trina times tho

[lone sequoia]

it was the speed after they fixed noah burst gen

the dmg with blanc+b1 buffer wasn't great and noise/noah/rapu have chances to tank

the xanne version needed atk in scarlet OL, but it was the same; more dmg to sanis and you pray the other units in p4~p5 die

[cedar orbit]

any fast Scarlet would beat this

[lone sequoia]

depends... imagine moran solo the scarlet team

[atomic wolf]

idrc i run siren noah grave cindy helm

[lone sequoia]

but rh/trina should oneshot everything if you are under 30% cp deficit

[swift mango]

https://comick.io/comic/what-a-bountiful-harvest-demon-lord

https://comick.io/comic/what-a-bountiful-harvest-demon-lord

If you interested with becoming a villain but not then these two from the same author.

[cedar orbit]

yeah, Moran should never get Biscuit invuln and she should get 1-tapped by Scarlet

[swift mango]

https://comick.io/comic/04-the-greatest-estate-developer

[cedar orbit]

unless you get really unlucky with counter procs

[raven cairn]

who wins this?

[lone sequoia]

nero get hits in p2, but she have 60%extra hp, some weird crits or def on her could send biscuit S2 to moran, but few people have good nero/moran, nothing to worry about

[shell hazel]

general question, is rumani best placed with Cindy? I see basically everyone doing that

[swift mango]

https://comick.io/comic/00-rebuild-world-jyy0ynmv

This is also a manga with harem. Have you read this?

[shell hazel]

i'm thinking about my next CA teams but hard to break out of the cookie cutter moulds

[lone sequoia]

CA? they just want a 2nd b1 in 2RL cindy team

[placid bloom]

you don't have to, but Centi is usually taken by Scarlet so there's not a lot left

[shell hazel]

most of the cindy teams in CA are 3RL with rumani in

[strong hull]

This one yes i read it before

[placid bloom]

there's just not a lot of clips to go around

that leaves Anis and Rumani basically

[lone sequoia]

almost all the cindy teams in CA are bad, it is like the 2RL teams with siren

[cedar orbit]

she is there in case Noise gets cheese killed

[shell hazel]

example seems common

[cedar orbit]

idk about the Noah Biscuit in the team

[shell hazel]

as I lack rumani I can do this instead at least its similar speed + some feed

[lone sequoia]

2RL use helm, some people try to get the 2RL but fill with other units that have less burst gen

[placid bloom]

if you're scared of SG you just swap Noah and Noise and put Cinderella p5

[shell hazel]

my noise taunts over my noah I think

[lone sequoia]

in this case noah/biscuit/rumani is just to get more time and secure your biscuit S2

[tulip quest]

I think they use rumani in that comp in case LM stuns Noise or Shotgun Kills her so they have b1 backup

[cedar orbit]

i think in CA, it's better to run your Noah Biscuit with a sustained dps

[shell hazel]

yeah, so in my pepper example above it still kind of works right 😄

[lone sequoia]

the only problem is the feed

[shell hazel]

if you run 2RL Cindy then yeah probably so

[lone sequoia]

but at 3RL doesnt matter against scarlet

[shell hazel]

but then helm is usually on stall comp

moran/nero or moran/bay

[umbral crown]

New trend

[lone sequoia]

i would say the best and cheaper stall comp is the one that have noise or moran in 2RL

[cedar orbit]

ain't no one got enough mats to raise a stall team

[placid bloom]

the feed won't matter, Noise will still burst before Scarlet and if she's enough to tank the nuke then it's good enough

[lone sequoia]

DR team is expensive and all the people who use it in CA doesn't know how to set that team

[shell hazel]

eh I can, I think

[swift mango]

https://comick.io/comic/teihen-ryoushu-no-kanchigai-eiyuutan

How about this?

[shell hazel]

nero needs high skill invest

but I don't have much else to spend skill books on atm

[cedar orbit]

max out Eve

[umbral crown]

[shell hazel]

bigger issue to some degree is dolls tbh

I lack purple ones

[strong hull]

[lone sequoia]

your base is S1 lv10 SR15 nero, moran burst lv10, helm/rapu CS to reach 2.5 after that is just invest for sustain

[umbral crown]

But you have mats for eve but not for stall team?

[strong hull]

Let me read those above first

[umbral crown]

[shell hazel]

mainly helm CS % I need

I'm working on stuff, lapT next solo raid, will have more materials by then

I will get/build Eve etc but it might be a bit later on, stuff can wait until I got my pvp teams good 🙂

[cedar orbit]

was treasure Laplace even used in last iron weak raid?

[lone sequoia]

what path you want for your laplace? mine is 3 atk/ele 4CS and 2 ammo

i will have to reroll xmaiden to get something similar but with higher atk

[shell hazel]

mostly off-burst so some CS and atk stats to just deal damage

[swift mango]

https://comick.io/comic/jitsu-wa-watashi-wa

This too. I just remember some harem manga I like very much lol...

[lone sequoia]

her problem are the bosses design, she have pierce true dmg and is iron

[shell hazel]

I'd probably run this

only really need CS on Helm then

[lone sequoia]

no good boss that have DEF stacking (people will cry that their dps deal 0 dmg) and SU hate iron; no iron weak raid in a long time

SU go for no core/parts in bosses to reduce the way people can deal dmg= more reasons for people to pull the next big unit

[cedar orbit]

even on Crystal Cavern, Cinderella runs laps around Ein, despite her true dmg

[lone sequoia]

higher numbers and not a good way for her to attack

my biscuit was really good during mirror container, i had to learn the pre-shot with her to skip the part/shield mechanic

pierce= you want parts/body/core stacked
true dmg = you want really high def in the enemy

but the DEF things means that your other units will deal less dmg, something that can cause problems because for people bigger/higher numbers are better

[swift mango]

I don't have Rapu. So I have no "stall team"

[lone sequoia]

that team is good, between DR team and still have time against SG in def (CA)

but i don't like moran p1

[swift mango]

@strong hull

https://comick.io/comic/00-duke-pendragon

This is also a good manhwa with a harem.... Actually a manhwa publish by Japanese company.... So can be counted as manga

[tropic summit]

holy moly 🍿

impossible... to think my scam gacha game nikke actually going for a rerun

where's the trap

have they finally realized the extra profit for re-used content

maybe @swift mango can finally get his hands on makima

[swift mango]

I hope.

[shell hazel]

I def can afford to burn stuff some on Nero, most of my unit investments are where I want them at least for skills, overloads are another matter 😛

Pepper/Anis SR/Bay/Soda don't really need any spend here, so Nero to 10/10/4 would be doable given where the rest are

Drake burst can wait, LapT needs a full set of OL

issue is dolls, I have 4 dolls at R-15 as I lack purple ones, and Nero (maybe Raven) are also RL so will just be more in the queue lol

[strong hull]

I read this one already

Even watched it

[strong hull]

Deal.

[shell hazel]

we need to do a memory wipe

[atomic wolf]

ZEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEUS

GIVE ME A GOOD SP ARENA BRACKET

AND MY LIFE IS YOURS

[quick lake]

Nero truly for pvp mains and u likely needa built Quiry/Mana too and SR15 all of them

[shell hazel]

can 2.5RL the team with Rapu though

you mean Quiry/Mana for the 5th flex slot? if so where does LapT go? 😛

I'm basically pvp main at this point lol, I have built my main campaign team pretty well but otherwise I put a lot of resources into my pvp units, it's like 30% campaign, 60% pvp, 10% rest

[quick lake]

Traditionally,
Nero Moran Quiry Rapun HelmT
Where Rapun can be flexed with ClipSG/Laplace/xMaiden
Quiry can be flexed with Mana
imo

[keen vapor]

No one uses Quiry on CA, neither mana

[quick lake]

Nero likes SR15 too

[shell hazel]

I will probably wind up SR-15 moran first tbh just due to diff doll than RL

so I can Nero p2 and then she may be OK on lower doll level

[keen vapor]

Example

[shell hazel]

where this from?

[quick lake]

I see some mana teams. But idk how effective she is there

[quick lake]

https://nikke-tools.netlify.app/
Most CA tools here

[shell hazel]

I think having a variety of usable units is key tbh

[quick lake]

needa goog translate

[shell hazel]

danke arigatou 🙂

problem with someone like quiry is she has no real use outside of this team, true for nero as well but no one else can really do the DR thing nero does as well

mana is a bit better as you can use in raids and towers and such

and for both, if rapu/lapt cover the flex slots well, they are both good elsewhere also. As much as I can I prefer to invest in dual use units 🙂

[unique mountain]

@raven plover giv an ss of your top8

[swift mango]

That win rate 100% on Noir team is really sus
Basically luck of the dice.

and how come it's 3rl with Noir but 4rl with Drake? The one who made the chart can't even count burst gen.

[uneven raptor]

Thank you!

[swift mango]

He won't

dude never post anything but blackmen and yugioh meme.

[quick lake]

sample size v small definitely for some of these teams. Idk, the burst gen can be whack too

[swift mango]

The burst gen can't be whack, it's the guy who made the chart who is whacked.

[quick lake]

[swift mango]

A quack to be exacted.

[umbral belfry]

LMFAO STOP

[keen vapor]

bunny after all

[keen vapor]

It should have been me! Not him!

Blood, what's your opinion on these rolls

[swift mango]

I have no idea what this image even means.

[pure moss]

who will win?

[keen vapor]

Overload lines

[pure moss]

looks like I'm taking 1 and 2

[swift mango]

Nero team is very investment dependent. Pic like this won't help the on looker know their investment.

[keen vapor]

Maybe we should feedback this to @lusty gull

[swift mango]

Unless he adds a feature to add the doll level. And Maybe CP.

Too much work

[keen vapor]

No good

[glad meteor]

CA Beta season 6 soon

[pure moss]

so I'm losing this one I assume?

[glad meteor]

When is it season 1

[keen vapor]

C'mon, is just another icon and extra toggle
-# Unaware how lack of space can make it too troublesome

[keen vapor]

Ikr
What are we even testing at this point

[pure moss]

@umbral belfry

[keen vapor]

Maybe they just want to delay actual rewards till 3rd anni

[glad meteor]

@umbral crown ma goon

[keen vapor]

Huh?

[umbral belfry]

hi there

[pure moss]

what do you think about this match up? #pvp-arena message

[glad meteor]

Nothing. , just @ the most trusted ma specialist

[lusty gull]

not hard to do as a developer, but annoying to do as user

always assume all are invested, that's all

[umbral belfry]

I'll check as soon as I can. doing errands rn

[pure moss]

alr thank you in advance

[keen vapor]

Ok

[keen vapor]

You win

You're on bottom right

[umbral belfry]

wait it's an easy match nvm

bad news is I think the defining match is gonna be 3

which is sg mirror so

[keen vapor]

Oh, siren...

[pure moss]

Yes I'm bottom

[umbral belfry]

winning t1 and t3, losing t4 and t5 no?

t5 blanc is stunned

[pure moss]

I'm taking t2 as well

[umbral belfry]

meant t2 yeah not t3

[keen vapor]

Ok, I saw more details

It really depends on third match

[umbral belfry]

pray to rng like you've never prayed before

[pure moss]

T3 kinda rough

[swift mango]

That doesn't help with prediction in particular, at all. Assume one guy invested and he would win but turning out his team just trash. And a wrong prediction.

[umbral belfry]

believe in your SGs + rosa

[pure moss]

Alr ig I'm cheering myself again

[umbral belfry]

okay bye for real now shopping time

[pure moss]

My rosa has 7/10/10 but not full ol

[keen vapor]

[keen vapor]

Ok you lose

[lunar pawn]

@oblique ridge anyone reviewed this one yet?

[median marten]

I have no idea what these mean? Anyone care to explain or is there a guide explaining them?

[keen vapor]

Seconds

Info is not on pinned FAQ?

[swift mango]

Top win 1+5 for sure.

3 is wtf, probably top. Because Drake burst kill 1, Revived Soda burst kill none.

2 is either you trust in Max core scar could wipe or sr0-10 max core Rapu survive.

4 is having higher chance for top. But need to check Emi CS to be sure.

[swift mango]

Cheer for yourselves. But you probably lose.

[keen vapor]

I cheered for my opponent

[swift mango]

Me too because I go for loser frame.

[keen vapor]

[raven cairn]

who wins this?

[median marten]

Checking out the calculator. Thnx

[keen vapor]

Rosanna round 1 investment?

And investment for Nero round 3....

I'm gonna assume Rei is uninvested

[swift mango]

butbut my 7710 30% atk reiT....

[keen vapor]

Nuh uh ☝️

[keen vapor]

Oi, you never gime me your opinion

[raven cairn]

SR15 154850cp

[swift mango]

for?

[raven cairn]

also sr15

[keen vapor]

Rolls @swift mango

[swift mango]

i don't even understand what or whom this for...

[keen vapor]

R1: bot
R2: bot
R3: bot?
R4: no no, it must be top
R5: top I think

[keen vapor]

What you don't understand about Charge speed

[raven cairn]

thanks

[keen vapor]

It basically depends on round 3

[raven cairn]

so would bottom be the safer bet?

[swift mango]

I would say bot with the 5th because RH buffed Scar counter > Scar. Stun doesn't matter when his scar is dead

[keen vapor]

Seems so

[raven cairn]

alright

thanks

[unique mountain]

Send a pic of your top 8

[swift mango]

who is those roll for wtf

[keen vapor]

Random

Some are for DPS, some are for Soda for example

[raven sparrow]

@umbral belfry our predictions yesterday were dead spot on thank you for the insight 🍻

[umbral belfry]

success

how did t1 play out?

[raven sparrow]

looks like it ended up going the way we thought it would, his mihara was truly just midhara

just too slow cant burst

basically everyone started falling like dominos from right to left

never got burst off as predicted

[umbral belfry]

if only it was chadhara

glad the predictions worked out for you regardless

[raven sparrow]

thank you for the insight on the moran team though (the other moran team)

that helped on the final decision lol

[clear folio]

all g , lookin favorable vs all i think, 🤯🤞

[lusty gull]

the app is only to help to create and share a deck nothing else

estimation is only a plus

[raven sparrow]

anyone have any thoughts on this one? i was thinking attacker (radeki) win but not too sure

i'll repost it with their combat power numbers actually later

i'll be back in a bit sorry

[swift mango]

Yeah, I'm not asking you make those feature. I just said that assuming everything maxed out won't work. People keep using those for asking predictions though so they need to clarify rather than just 1 pic.

[worthy sorrel]

aceross you got it this season! take home the W

[clear folio]

we’ll see! u countered me i got lucky! 🤣

[worthy sorrel]

rooting for my homeboy @daring remnant tho. david vs goliath lol

[worthy sorrel]

i was a bit surprised going out this round, but Star avenged Star. all is right with the world

matchups have been crazy. i need to invest noir lol

narrator: "she did not have blanc"

[glad glade]

Oh hey I’m cheering for the people too

[raven sparrow]

good luck on the cheer! who are you going with?

[glad glade]

Thanks bro. I’m thinking Radeki would win too with T2, T3, and T5, though I need confirmation since that T3 is a bit wonky. Good luck with you too!

Actually, he might even win T1 too. SBS either dies or gets stunned, and Ein kicks in to murder Sanis and Biscuit. Its a weird stroke of genius

[raven sparrow]

yeah team 3 they both have nearly the same burst... i was thinking top? i dont know what jackal actualyl does for bottom there

does tops right side get hit first or left?

does his noah get burstsed down?

or does noise take away that heat

i'm still a noob at all this :x

[glad glade]

They’ll both probably burst at the same time, so both Noahs activate and deny each teams’ nukes. At that point, the battle probably goes to whoever could tank the most punishment

[lunar pawn]

so one way or another you walk out with a W?

[clear folio]

match with zyph can be close, my 2.5cindy vs 4rl cindy, idk how that plays out but his noise is uninvested

[worthy sorrel]

I noticed yesterday zyph has a beast of an account. clearing kraken at 350sync is a feat

[clear folio]

that means his pve invested less pvp 😆

anything can happen ofc lol

[worthy sorrel]

i mean, i also focus pve, but am surely whaling harder than zyph but his pvp still invested more than me

he started a bit earlier than me, but still. that resource management is goated

[clear folio]

hmm is it🤔 ima check again but if it is its close then

[keen vapor]

That's the idea

[worthy sorrel]

he's in a barely active gold union too. wonder if it's his friends. we kinda want him for pie. no clue how to find him though.

[pure moss]

@lunar pawn what

[umbral belfry]

cup recruiting all of our bracket

[pure moss]

is your opinion on this

[worthy sorrel]

pie is pvp union now. screw union raid (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

[swift mango]

@fiery parcel Sorry, Zet won after all.

3rl Noise > 2rl Biscuit for Mirror Cindy. I even checked their CS to confirm Noah would be stunned by Siren but somehow I derped out and forgot.

[pure moss]

I took a few pics #pvp-arena message

[clear folio]

ur right his sg is invested minus rosa, rng factor on team 1 and 4, i may lose

[worthy sorrel]

is he just using hime's teams? looks familiar

[clear folio]

yes but he used anchor instead of pepper on cindy,

[umbral belfry]

MY TEAMSSSSS

ace u must win

[lunar pawn]

t1 your loss
t2 your win
t3 coin flip, would need to see investment, but you have good odds since you could kill noir>rosanna/anne
t4 your loss
t5 your loss

[umbral belfry]

[clear folio]

its like it was intentionally made to be 4rl, y tho

[pure moss]

damn, rough

[umbral belfry]

no shame in losing top 8 though

[pure moss]

unlucky team placement

[lunar pawn]

get a 2nd opinion to be sure

[pure moss]

another person already said I'd lose

so ig I'm betting against myself

tbh I'm thinking my t1 can win that

[umbral belfry]

believe

[wise horizon]

Will this work? Need help @keen vapor @tropic summit

[umbral belfry]

your scar is getting stunned unless you're under 30 ammo

[shell hazel]

[umbral belfry]

gimme

[swift mango]

Sorry again. I betrayed my old statement of slower Cindy win because I thought Biscuit would make Rumani invulnerable and tank the hits... But Rumani got one shot by Cindy instead and couldn't trigger Biscuit...

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/duck-duckling-no-no-way-i-dont-agree-gif-4243311

[umbral belfry]

@wet crystal @jagged mesa surely

[wet crystal]

I dont wanna open it

[umbral belfry]

just fell to my knees

the first fail

[jagged mesa]

wtf u both pulled it before i even checked in

[umbral belfry]

do it

[wet crystal]

Nope, not opening

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/roxy-lalonde-homestuck-enrichment-roxy-lalonde-gif-8312268916508627367

[umbral belfry]

I failed so you could succeed trust

[swift mango]

Me but with Blue line def instead after 60 rocks

[shell hazel]

😮

[swift mango]

[jagged mesa]

[shell hazel]

I unbricked my Cindy nicely here, still not perfect but 40% atk and 80% ele she probably has my best overall rolls in general

only 1 ammo roll though and it's low so more rocks needed

gotta be doable now right with the extra ammo and atk? lol

[swift mango]

Nope

[lunar pawn]

ok thoughts? top attacker, bottom defender

thinking attacker will:
t1 lose
t2 win
t3 lose
t4 lose
t5 win

@oblique ridge looping you in

[shell hazel]

[wet crystal]

RNG might smile at you

GL

[umbral belfry]

lock in 🗣️

[jagged mesa]

@wet crystal @umbral belfry how is it all 3 of us complete a pilgrim mold on the same day

[umbral belfry]

Quick ash open it up

[jagged mesa]

folian are you opening it

[umbral belfry]

ITS NOAH

[jagged mesa]

asfasdfd u werent supposed to yet

[placid bloom]

what you mean, if you made account same week you are getting the same number of tower runs

[jagged mesa]

i needed to say the thing

[umbral belfry]

[placid bloom]

not like you can get ahead in tower

[umbral belfry]

OK folian and I failed so you could succeed ash

[jagged mesa]

u act like i start with a pilgrim

[lunar pawn]

https://tenor.com/view/nikke-pull-r-fail-scam-gif-17654319326937004839

[umbral belfry]

if ash legit gets noah from the mold though

[wet crystal]

No shot

[placid bloom]

[jagged mesa]

good night i go sleep

[umbral belfry]

[jagged mesa]

i told u we're getting the same thing

[placid bloom]

0/3

[wet crystal]

[umbral belfry]

[swift mango]

No Belorta.

[lunar pawn]

[umbral belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/smh-oh-well-damn-not-that-bad-gif-13898977

[wet crystal]

There's the trifecta twinsie

[umbral belfry]

mission failed. we'll get em next time

[jagged mesa]

im quitting nikke

stellar blade main starting tomorrow

[placid bloom]

[lunar pawn]

if you quit nikke does that mean your scarlet cd key is up for grabs?

[wet crystal]

Just start a stream, showcase the code, may the fastest win

[jagged mesa]

no hablo ingles

[lunar pawn]

yo hablo español, no te preocupes

[jagged mesa]

oops

[umbral belfry]

[jagged mesa]

je ne parle pas l'anglais

[umbral belfry]

LMFAO

[jagged mesa]

je parle la francais

[lunar pawn]

je parle français, c'est bon

[jagged mesa]

ting bu dong

[wet crystal]

英語わかりません

[jagged mesa]

dui bu qi

[placid bloom]

没事，我会讲中文

[wet crystal]

Is our Chinese c4 still in?

[lunar pawn]

[jagged mesa]

guys stop im running out of excuses

[umbral belfry]

give him the code

[placid bloom]

we are commiting highway robbery and you will accept it

[jagged mesa]

this message was typed in google translate, i dont actually understand what it means

[lunar pawn]

sunken cost fallacy, nobody quits this game

[jagged mesa]

so was this

[wet crystal]

Google translate does not make typos or case setting errors

[umbral belfry]

CA? nope

must of got out league

[jagged mesa]

are u mocking my ability to use the google translate technologia

so kuwon speaks chinese, folian speaks japanese, doppel speaks french and spanish, and hime speaks dog

what a varied group

[umbral belfry]

[jagged mesa]

@swift mango get it out brother you've been typing for like 2 hours

im waiting to see what it is ur gonna say

[swift mango]

That team 4 is a contest of might. Noise+Trina buffed Cindy could possibly nuke everyone one hit each and Rapu revive wouldnt do anything. Plus, top can't be faster than 3rl to save their hide. While bottom could be faster than 2rl.

[swift mango]

what?

[wet crystal]

I can search it prob but, what's with the enriched?

[jagged mesa]

i was staring at the "My Blood is Enriched is typing..." the whole time

[swift mango]

I was just looking at the comment and only type for 2 mins at most.

[umbral belfry]

something something cn server drama

[placid bloom]

it's the dev note thing where they said our server will enrich each other

[shell hazel]

nah not yet lol. 321 trust

[jagged mesa]

i dont understand the xx% Bricked 🧱 thing either

[umbral belfry]

i think a dev note said we wouldn't (?) be getting the changes so we could have an enriching experience

[shell hazel]

such as Rapi from pilgrim molds (but the wrong Rapi)

this teaches you that sometimes you just get rocks

[umbral belfry]

[wet crystal]

Oh those qualities of life changes cn gets?

[lunar pawn]

yea I saw the previous match for attacker's t4, seemed pretty flimsy and was not faster than 3RL

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/squid-game-ali-marbles-rocks-gif-23311407

[umbral belfry]

some units got buffed to make they good

[lunar pawn]

should be a defender w

[jagged mesa]

i hope modernia gets buffed and that change gets brought to global

[umbral belfry]

doro and mod costumes

[wet crystal]

I'll take a rapunzel costume

[lunar pawn]

y'all think SU caved and we'll get more CN costumes?

[umbral belfry]

[wet crystal]

Isnt that privaty one from cn?

[jagged mesa]

i dont think SU caved at all, it was probably in the works the whole time

[umbral belfry]

we're getting priv's right? there's hope

[lunar pawn]

1 doesn't mean all

could just be "take this and shut up"

[umbral belfry]

surely

[jagged mesa]

tencent is liek the biggest shareholder in SU anywys, and nikke was published by level infinite, which is a tencent subisidiary anyways... they were always in control

[whole pawn]

what cube does trina uses

[wet crystal]

CN server sounds like a private game server, are there free cash shop items?

[placid bloom]

they are a major shareholder but they are not the biggest, the Koreans still have the most shares

[wet crystal]

Tempura or quanta iirc

[swift mango]

The only unit that actually got buffed is Yan because CN. And maybe Doro because

[placid bloom]

but it's an amount large enough to start arguments

[umbral belfry]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1330286221687263343/1371312649320796291/hooyg8l4420f1.gif

[jagged mesa]

they were largest at some point i think, but yeah i guess now second largest. not majority but yeah

tencent:

[lunar pawn]

vigor or quantum

[wet crystal]

Vigor there? Wouldn't there be better units to put that on?

[jagged mesa]

meanwhile yan in english is a southerner

[swift mango]

They could be largest and Korean still have the most share. They only need to make sure, stock that sell to outside of Korean never excess 49%.

[umbral belfry]

i do quantum or tempura depending really. but def tempura if p2 unless you get zapped by

vigor isn't a bad choice either though

[whole pawn]

why vigor?

[jagged mesa]

well in general they wont give up majority shares even domestically

[lunar pawn]

survivability + works better with her kit

[jagged mesa]

nobody reacted to my palpatine meme 😔 it took me 20 whole seconds to make that

[lunar pawn]

gotta see what kind of shares they have too, voting =/= non voting shares

[swift mango]

It's like Myanmar and their military government. The investor come in open company in Myanmar would have 49% share. 51% belong to many Myanmar shareholder but still listen to Myanmar government decision. So while the investor has "highest share" at 49% they still don't have the majority.

[lunar pawn]

anyway, you think attacker is losing it as well? @swift mango

[swift mango]

[jagged mesa]

ya i know, they arent majority but they are still the publisher for the game AND are the single largest shareholder i believe

in other words, its not that shiftup is acting in the interest of cn

shiftup is simply acting in the interest of... itself because tencent has deep roots in it from the start

like when some people say SU is bowing down to cn, not quite it because it's more like they're bowing down to.... themselves

[lunar pawn]

we're getting a nikke skin with taiwan's flag then?

[jagged mesa]

doppel trying to land me in hot waters

im just a wee little canadian minding my own business in this corner of the world

hockey maple syrup snow

that's all i know

[swift mango]

Then CN somehow sue you onto a hobo because taiwan.

[jagged mesa]

im already hobo thats why im f2p

(except cindy skin, that one was necessary)

[lunar pawn]

you getting the cindy figure?

[swift mango]

You could check video and see if one hit of that Cindy 10 hit burst enough to one shot Blanc from 95%hp. If they do, then bot win.

[jagged mesa]

no but if you're offering...

[swift mango]

There is also crit rng ofc...

[lunar pawn]

last matchup was pretty bad, vs noah, but he did manage to get some hits in before noah invul, hit for like 50-60% of noise's hp

I'm actually wondering if there isn't a chance the indom goes to sugar somehow, if he manages to trigger it

bit unlikely due to elem advantage over emilia, but still

[gritty ridge]

Thoughts?

1 is loss 3 is win

Actually I could put jackal in team 2

Replace noir or soda

[spiral onyx]

Man, I really am seeing a lot of people starting to copy my special variant teams. SG team with Poli over XAnne and SAnis team with Pepper

[wicked horizon]

3/3 on guesses
80% currently cheering for left, but looking at their team, it seems left only wins the first match? Am I crazy?

[spiral onyx]

Bro literally copied my teams verbatim. But he did make it to top 8, so I guess it works

[wise horizon]

in that case, i should change to Blanc/Emilia/RH/Biscuit/Centi for T2 instead, which may be better?

[wicked horizon]

T1 - SGs won't kill left in time, Noah invuln, Cinderella wipes, left wins
T2 - Bay won't burst on time - double-buffed Scarlet wipes left team, right wins
T3 - I checked, and their Scarlet seems to have enough ammo that Siren will stun them, meaning they can't burst for a while. Right wins.
T4 - Big feed from shotguns hitting Jackal, causing an early Blanc indom and Rei burst. Again, right wins.
T5 - Left team is just slow for some reason. Cindy will probably kill them before they can burst. If not, I have my doubts Blanc indom will hit SBS. Right wins.

Seems correct?

[spiral onyx]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jR_hoa8j5qM

[glad glade]

Looking for a second opinion, just to be sure. Are my predictions correct?

Top is attacker and bottom is defender. Crossed out teams are the losers

[oblique ridge]

Idk, I think I have this cheer too. Not sure. Btw gg on the previous cheer

[oblique ridge]

Thanks. I briefly analyzed the match on mobile, but hadn't had the chance to do it at PC in cozy gaming chair

I had called it for attacker, 3-2. Let's see...

R1: L
R2: W
R3: L - possible flip if somehow survives Emilia nuke and recovers health from Noise heal (have we seen such a case before?)
R4: L - can only flip if attacking side is actually 2.5RL or faster, is there a chance it is? I initially called this one W but I didn't realize it was 3RL base
R5: W

So after gaming chair analysis, it's defending side wins (Evac).

[lunar pawn]

good stuff

[midnight marsh]

I won S3 CA running your Poli variant Thank you for cook

[clear folio]

T1 bis should nullify SBS but top can win if 2 defenders proc biscuit, lean bot.. plus siren stuns sbs
T2 prolly top unless very uninvested SG
T3 lean top, jack team may burst 1st so top noah invul should end later
T4 top W
T5 another sbs vs bisc but the speed and revives idk how that plays out, maybe top?

my unexpert opinion

[midnight marsh]

But I think most people will still be running Noir instead longterm
And Pepper is definitely more popular on NA brackets now because of your videos. I remember commenting about Pepper experiments in one of your earlier CA videos. Happy to see her have a place now

[glad glade]

Thanks. For T1, I was thinking the same thing at first that bottom wins since no matter how you look at it, Scarlet gets disabled either through death or stun. Then I noticed Ein was there and that shifted my vote for me since she’s going to burst no matter what

She’ll probably murk Sanis, Biscuit, and Siren through the AoE. Its a weird stroke of genius

[oblique ridge]

Ironically, if the Cindy team was "less damaging", I'd be more suspicious, but with Noise + Trina boosting Cindy max hp, I think top is annihilated with no hope of Rapunzel revive + Blanc indomitable. They're all deader than dead unless 2.5RL or faster.

Unless we're being tricked by poorly invested/skilled characters.

[glad glade]

Anyways, thank you @clear folio

[umbral crown]

Uwu

[umbral crown]

[lunar pawn]

attacker's t4 didn't seem like 2.5RL on replay, did you check it out?

[umbral crown]

Things got complicated today, but once i get the teams will ping you again

[oblique ridge]

I should.. I didn't log in yet

[tardy canopy]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/946719897390563328/1306735102121742426/HappyCindyByKapy.gif

[thin perch]

Yo the Nier rerun event means I get Pascal for PvP now

[midnight marsh]

!!

[odd lantern]

isn't pascal just a weaker SR Anis?

[fiery parcel]

@swift mango . Btw zero lost lol

[midnight marsh]

Pascal is B1

[odd lantern]

i mean he's just a burst battery - his b1 burst isn't that great for pvp imo

[midnight marsh]

Yeah, all that's important is that he is B1 battery

[wild hemlock]

Do you actually need Quiry to be 17% cs in the Nero/Moran comp? Does the extra cs make a difference if it's already 2.5rl here

[shell hazel]

no, also think you want helm swapped over as you want her to b3 not quiry

[wild hemlock]

Really? I don't think that's correct?

I see both hm

[shell hazel]

oh yeah OK I get it

think both can work but quiry burst doesn't get blocked by like noah

so if you stall to next burst cycle then helmt can go

[wild hemlock]

Everywhere I read said Quiry max skills so I would assume you're bursting with her

[shell hazel]

yeah think that is right if you run her

[wild hemlock]

Only thing I was uncertain on was rapu/helm placement as I've seen people swap them between p4/p5 and the cs on quiry if it's needed or not

[odd lantern]

sorry for the nub question - how does that team come out to be 2.5 RL?

i mean CS makes that much difference?

[shell hazel]

it can't speed you up faster than 2.5RL you can sim it by adding

but 2RL isn't really doable on this comp

[umbral crown]

That will depend of what you want, not always helm wanna burst first. Depends rhe contex if CA , SP Defense or attack

[wild hemlock]

Yeah it doesn't do anything to have quiry 17% but like I've seen people mention stuff like 2.4rl ect but just don't actually understand how that works

[umbral crown]

Of course you are

[wild hemlock]

Like does that extra % under 2.5rl do anything

[umbral crown]

It does help having her 17% cs, means your team will be better balanced

[wild hemlock]

As in if someone dies you have a backup? I'm out of rocks but if rolling for 17% quiry is worth it...

[umbral crown]

Ideally you want helm, rpau and quiry 17% cs

[wild hemlock]

I have helm/rapu 17% just debating on.quiry since it seems I'm already 2.5rl

[umbral crown]

In this team just helm is likely to die against cindy for example but quiry survives most of the time

[umbral crown]

If both alreay 17 thats fine , just take your time to 17 quiry no rush

[wild hemlock]

Do you suggest helm on p4 or p5. I thought the idea was rapu needs to live so you want her p4 to revive later

[umbral crown]

Outside CA i always use Rapu P5

[crystal flicker]

I'm tired of losing CA

[umbral crown]

Helm P4

[umbral crown]

She is iron so there is not wind SR to kill her

[wild hemlock]

[wild hemlock]

Yeah I just figured that's what rapu is there for to revive

[crystal flicker]

Idk why my stall always met with Blanc somehow

Like RNG just said "Nah, ya ain't winning this CA"

[umbral crown]

And heal nero to get stacks

[umbral crown]

I use it like this

[oblique ridge]

Attacker (?1) defeated Don in group 7,
Defender (Evac) defeated ?2 in group 8

Just listing so I can quickly find the groups later if I need to

?1's R4 lost to Don

Model the speed of Don's team...

2.5RL but because of Jackal feed, became 2RL. Not surprising ?1's team lost

Replay won't help because ?1's team died without having a chance to burst. I'll check anyway...

BScarlet died early, and Rapunzel bursted at 1:25 time

Immediately after this, Maid Privaty bursted

Blanc was then downed. If not for that, Blanc woulda bursted next

So to say, 2RL team (from Jackal feed) almost didn't burst in time to stop Blanc indom, under the condition that BScarlet died once pretty fast

[lunar pawn]

so you think it's 2.5RL?

[oblique ridge]

No. This is the closest that team could get

99.58%, let me check another burst gen calculator

2.7RL if he had this 99.58%

His "burst 2 time" would be 3.44

[lunar pawn]

2RL b3 time is 3.16 right?

[oblique ridge]

Yep

So about 0.28 of Cindy burst doing its work

Blanc might live to do B2 during the Cindy burst damage

And being RLs attacking BScarlet, BScarlet is likely to live to the end as opposed to die very early (so it won't slow down her team's RL time)

So if Rapu burst heal is big enough, there's a small chance it results in Blanc indom during Cindy burst and team Cindy losing

BScarlet, Emilia, or Sugar would receive it

[lunar pawn]

how built was his sugar

and emilia

[lunar pawn]

oh no doll on emilia

[oblique ridge]

Hmm checking Cindy's build

[lunar pawn]

indom probably set to go for emilia no matter what

that's one chunky cindy

did you check the cindy team replay?

[oblique ridge]

Nope, I guess I should. I can time how long it takes Cindy to wipe a team

[lunar pawn]

didn't it chop like 50%+ hp from noise in one or two hits?

[oblique ridge]

His team lost

[lunar pawn]

doesn't matter, it's the cindy dmg that's relevant

he gets some hits in before noah burst

[oblique ridge]

Oh, true

Whoa there

He bursted before Noah

Checking that winning team's RL speed

I see, was a 3RL team because of Red Hood (and Noise)

[lunar pawn]

they managed to burst with noise right before the cindy nuke landed

iirc noise jumped to like 60-65% hp, then got down to like 10-20% before noah invul

[oblique ridge]

Time is 1:25 too

[oblique ridge]

Which is the same time as this

[lunar pawn]

I think emilia gets wiped with the nuke

[oblique ridge]

So Rapu burst + Cindy burst almost the same time

That means there's a whole half second or so before Blanc can think about bursting. RIP

[lunar pawn]

sbs is too chunky too I feel

if indom did trigger, it might be on sugar

not as built + possibly only SR5 doll

[oblique ridge]

It also seems like Noah was able to save team mid-Cindy burst

Which means Blanc can too... heh

[lunar pawn]

ish

how built was his opp's team? the noah team

[oblique ridge]

Oh, no wonder...

Evac's team Cindy smashed head on a hard rock

[lunar pawn]

that's good

I think cindy nuke did some good damage right before the noah burst

and look how chunky they are

[upper grove]

top row is attacker team, is that guy winning? I want to go for the cheering frame

not sure how nero moran works at slower RL vs the scar nuke team

[lunar pawn]

either blanc dies right before her burst, or it triggers on sugar, I feel

[oblique ridge]

And Cindy decoy ate one of it, so it felt weak only because of that (otherwise somebody else's HP bar woulda dropped a lot)

I'm annoyed

[lunar pawn]

rapu heals/revives sbs > emilia dies > sugar/blanc drops low > blanc indom on sugar

[oblique ridge]

There's still a chance for Blanc to indom somebody at the last moment

Okay, and can Sugar win in 10 seconds?

I think.. probably not, not at that power score

[lunar pawn]

I don't think sbs will die right before cindy nuke, so rapu won't revive anyone

there's barely any dmg outside cindy nuke in that team

so you could say rapu might "full heal" the team right before the nuke

assuming blanc indoms it'd have to be on sugar

sugar won't solo, specially if noise burst is active

[oblique ridge]

Noise actually didn't die when Noah bursted

So it could be that BScarlet is near death when Blanc bursts

[lunar pawn]

she didn't, but she dropped a good chunk of health

[wise horizon]

Need help here.

[lunar pawn]

emilia dies, rapu has too much hp, so indom goes to either sbs or sugar, and sugar has a worse build + lower doll

ofc, we can't predict cubes...

[lunar pawn]

2RL scar nuke the 3rd team, but don't put scar in p1

no trina?

you can use a siren of your own to stun blanc, so you get indom, enemy doesn't

otherwise siren stun his noah in t2, and nuke him there

[oblique ridge]

I think bottom wins. I can't guarantee it, though

For top:
R1: W
R2: L (unless Blanc sneaks Indom on SAnis during Cindy burst wiping team)
R3: W
R4: L (even if Rosanna KOs BScarlet with B1 burst, Rapu will revive BScarlet. I doubt Noir B3 burst will AoE kill anyone)
R5: L (Red Hood B1 + Trina B2 + Scarlet B3 = AoE death, Nero will die. Idk about Moran, I've seen Moran solo but will this one?)

[lunar pawn]

@digital halo yo, you the evac in top 8 in NA?

[upper grove]

bottom should lose p1, win p5 with the double boosted scar. Cindy nuke hits before indom at 2RL in p2? p3 should lose. P4 bottom wins if they all hit blanc while immune, rapu revive sbs right?

[oblique ridge]

I added round calls to the post

[lunar pawn]

what's up with people slapping trina in p1, what did I miss

[oblique ridge]

That's actually a mistake and would cause Red Hood to steal link from p1 unless Trina had a lot of ATK rolls

Interestingly, now there's a chance for Scarlet Jackal to lose Trina before Trina can burst

[lunar pawn]

trina in p1 can also be stunned, nevermind killed

scar nuke buffed by anis

[wise horizon]

Don’t have Trina. Only way to make scar2RL is to use HelmT but she’s used in T1.

[upper grove]

it's the 1st time I see Trina in P1 tbh

[lunar pawn]

alternatively have a more delayed blanc indom, but on sanis

wait, can't you reach 2RL with jackal feed? what's the chart for your team?

[oblique ridge]

So for this, I'm going to say team Blanc is at a higher risk of screwing up as opposed to having a chance of getting everything right. The chance still exists since Cindy burst dmg is random - it could well leave BScarlet + Blanc alive, while killing Sugar and Emilia, resulting in the ideal Indom BScarlet taking on team Cindy.

Another thing is team Cindy might actually outlast vs BScarlet - Cindy just needs a brief moment after Indom drops to finish off BScarlet. This is a tanky team with Noise + Trina giving a lot of max hp (and Noise's burst healing), there's a chance Cindy's team fills some of Trina's empty max hp buff, and have a lot of HP for BScarlet to chew through.

So, even though there's RNG, I'll call it in favor of the defenders (bottom team) (Evac)

[lunar pawn]

cool, I cheered for the attacker

[oblique ridge]

Cheering for defender

[lunar pawn]

3 out of 3 losses so far

[oblique ridge]

Now that I'm done analyzing, lemme check out how that previous fight went...

You cheered attacker, I cheered defender, even though most of the cheers sided with the attacker

Time to see if we got lucky

Aligned with calls. GG

[lunar pawn]

[oblique ridge]

Okay, my call was bad for R3

Idk what happened, but attacking side's team did fine and did whole burst with Laplace getting blown up by Helm nuke

Except, BScarlet didn't get Indom. It was Emilia

BScarlet bursted. Then was smashed

Oh, I see, Laplace died to Helm burst, edited...

So all in all, we thought BScarlet would get burst nuked, instead it was Laplace somehow. Which means our cheer was saved by the fact Indom got bungled onto Emilia and BScarlet bursted instead of her

[lunar pawn]

t2 and t3 were the most sus for me

but it all worked out

[oblique ridge]

BScarlet bursted right at this very instant

Emilia already has Indom here

[wise horizon]

It will only be 3RL

[oblique ridge]

Then after team died, Emilia left standing without a burst nuke. Doing weak dmg

And it helped that Nero and Moran mitigated BScarlet's burst dmg while she was dying

Actually

Due to Nero and Moran, even if it was BScarlet that was Indom'd, probably GG anyway - BScarlet would do weak damage output, and Helm is healing team

[lunar pawn]

wdym only 3RL, you have enough feed for 2RL

like 20% feed in 2RL time

[oblique ridge]

I need to question whether t3 Emilia is hard hitting enough. If the other predictions hold, this betrayal would make attacker win

[lunar pawn]

she could be, but also no doll

[raven plover]

you have a member in this bracket, why not ask your member

[unique mountain]

I would be sad if they didnt reply , i won't be sad if u u didn't reply