pvp-arena

[swift mango]

Thanks again, and good night.

[wild patio]

@loud sonnet

[quick pivot]

Delayed, but now my minnow ass doesn't know if it should be happy or scared

[swift mango]

It's sad but you will probably lose 1,2,5.

[tropic summit]

awesome

[plucky charm]

does this win?

[calm gull]

win
lose

[wicked horizon]

Noah's stunned, wtf is this immunity?

[plucky charm]

I can do a 2rl noah-cindy idk if their Moran team would survive though

[calm gull]

2RL cindy on 2nd

[calm gull]

noah manage to burst before the stun

[wicked horizon]

How?

[calm gull]

3 RL vs 2 RL
what can you expect

[wicked horizon]

Siren's stun is not on burst.

[summer copper]

by filling up their burst gauge quicker than you could stun

[calm gull]

yeah ik

[wicked horizon]

So I can be 4 RL, it would not make a difference.

[calm gull]

because the point is, noah burst before the stun lands

[wicked horizon]

How?

[calm gull]

they have faster burst gen

[wicked horizon]

Faster than mine?
My burst gen is irrelevant, we went over this.

[plucky charm]

So it worked but they caught the Cindy burst and just auto attacked through it

Would swapping the teams work maybe?

[calm gull]

[calm gull]

thats fine

[plucky charm]

Would maybe having helm burst make it more survivable? Since the Cindy got absorbed anyways

[calm gull]

wdym irrelevant, your opponent burst faster than you

[calm gull]

cindy on full burst is cracked enough

and her decoy helps sustain

[dire root]

[plucky charm]

I'll keep rolling with it until he swaps defenses ig thanks for the help

[calm gull]

[wicked horizon]

Siren's stun does not trigger on burst, why would my burst timing matter?

[calm gull]

what server is this, NA?

[wicked horizon]

Like, you acknowledged this.

[dire root]

Yeah

[calm gull]

brother, my point is.
Noah's ult is faster than your stun, your siren stun isnt instant

[dire root]

That combat power is gross

[calm gull]

sirens stuns on 50'th bullet land, noah burst before she land her 50th shot

[wicked horizon]

Then can we leave my burst timing out of this, and focus on how they burst faster?

[calm gull]

because they have 2RL while yours is 3RL

[wicked horizon]

You

Stop playing dumb

[calm gull]

[wicked horizon]

I'm not asking how they burst faster than me.

I'm asking how they burst faster than Siren's stun.

Which has nothing to do with my burst

Think about it how my burst timing has nothing to do with how fast Siren stuns.

And it also has nothing to do with how fast they burst.

So if it has nothing to do with either of those two things...

It has no influence on how they burst faster than Siren stuns.

[calm gull]

you can see how they immune to your damage despite your noah is stunned

[vapid lake]

noah stun happens at around 2.4rl timing so they had a bit of cs to burst faster than normal 2rl team by a few frames

[wicked horizon]

I'm losing my mind with this guy.

[vapid lake]

is the only explanation that makes sense

[calm gull]

[wicked horizon]

But Noah having CS wouldn't make her burst faster.
Every else also needs to catch up, no?

Unless he has, what, 2-3 CS lines on each unit?

[vapid lake]

? no as long as he fills the burst gauge faster than a normal 2rl team by having cs on some units

[dire root]

Rip, no burst battle.

[vapid lake]

he'll start his burst chain at like 1.9rl or 1.8rl and that is fast enough to noah burst before siren can stun

[wicked horizon]

But he needs to have full burst before starting, right.

[onyx scaffold]

buy the code alone

[vapid lake]

yes that is what im telling you

if his team has a few units with good cs lines he'll fill his burst gauge literally a few milliseconds faster than a vanilla 2rl team so his gauge is full at 1.8rl or 1.9rl

[wicked horizon]

That doesn't make sense to me.

[vapid lake]

then his noah burst will happen at 2.3rl/2.4rl. faster than siren stun

if you dont understand that's not my problem anymore

[wicked horizon]

One unit being faster won't fill the gauge faster.

Imagine this as cars doing laps around a circuit.

We're not counting the average speed of the cars.

[vapid lake]

bro the unit fires her shot earlier and it lands earlier so it fills the gauge earlier, how hard is that to understand

[wicked horizon]

We're counting the time the last car makes it around the circuit the 2nd time.

As long as the last unit is slower, the burst is slower.

Because he can't burst if one of the units hasn't hit his shot yet.

[plucky charm]

what about this

[vapid lake]

that's why i said on a few units not only noah you are the one that said only noah wth

if you dont get it i don't care to continue this convo

[wicked horizon]

Why would it not need to be on every unit?

Okay, Red Hood doesn't generate much burst, so she doesn't need it.
But every RL hit is necessary for the burst to be full.

You can't have one arriving late and still burst.

[vapid lake]

watch your own clip ffs all his units fire their 2nd shot before yours does by a few frames faster

he has high cs on all his units

if you still don't get it i'm done

even his helm has 17% cs most likely

[vapid lake]

this is correct siren stun happens roughly at 2.4rl timing so a team needs to be 1.9rl or faster to not have p1 b2 get stunned

[onyx scaffold]

it does seem abnormal but it is possible if his noah and biscuit have at least 11% charge speed

his team is 2RL. by having more charge speed, his RL happens faster. and it bursts before getting stunned. now lemme dig in the conversation

[onyx scaffold]

Noah is the one needing to catch up. not others catch up to her.

emi, redhood, helm are the fast ones
if noah and biscuit catch up to them, the whole team becomes fast

u need 2 lines + adjutant or 3 lines of CS

[signal hull]

If I want mega op teams, should I be working at CS17% for all best burst gen characters next?
Also, does HelmT needs CS17?

[onyx scaffold]

HelmT CS17 helps a lot but usually the team is already fast enough so it depends how what team u run her

[raven plover]

get 100 levels above your opponents, mega op

[onyx scaffold]

80 enough

[crystal flicker]

I really need pure 2RL Scar comp to go against my Noah

[worthy knoll]

There is an updated pic if you scroll a bit below, coz it should be 1.78 RL coz 2 RL shots

[loud sonnet]

It appears on s.anis and not on other who needs it

[raven plover]

really good just to need to get rid of that ammo

[swift mango]

What about this?

[swift mango]

Just lock 2+3 and reroll.

brain turning off move, lock 1 and reroll.

[crystal flicker]

You miss the poggies

[swift mango]

Now he deleted.

[crystal flicker]

This timer probably the most ass thing about CA

[swift mango]

@eager mountain is getting more popular now.

[loud sonnet]

I didn't notice this till now

[swift mango]

wow lucky

[crystal flicker]

I'll cook 25% CS after I roll Ele for all my AI dps

[loud sonnet]

Ill try to fix the others as well

[loud sonnet]

The max was 24.36 right all black lines?
Or does it round up?

[crystal flicker]

down to 24

[loud sonnet]

Oh

[crystal flicker]

Need cubes to make it 26

[loud sonnet]

Maldness

[crystal flicker]

The good thing you don't need 4x black cs

[oak rivet]

Yo guys, i've some issues, i don't think the comp that was cooked here works

[umbral crown]

[oak rivet]

Actually i unbricked my Scarlet with less than 50% ammo

[crystal flicker]

WHY

[oak rivet]

The dude def (might just be attack)

[oak rivet]

Wym why ppl told me so

[swift mango]

@keen vapor your fault

[oak rivet]

I've proof

Who made that graph

[umbral crown]

[oak rivet]

Well anyway, i need a new cook without Emilia (all unit) also tell me if i need to remake my scarlet 50% +

I DO NOT lacks rock

[umbral crown]

Your scar usually needs more than 50 ammo, does she actually has atk lines?

[oak rivet]

Yes

[crystal flicker]

He brick under 50% to avoid Siren

[oak rivet]

Lemme log into Blabla

[shell hazel]

the rocks! all the rocks!

[umbral crown]

[oak rivet]

Not the best ATK ever but yeah

[umbral crown]

You could lock the attack in gloves and look for ammo and something else, chest could also try to get ammo and atk

[crystal flicker]

What are you talking Rosy

[oak rivet]

Had ammo on everything prior

[crystal flicker]

He was have 200% ammo and throw it all away for Siren stun

[umbral crown]

If you really want to avoid siren stun just do a 2 RL X.Mica

[oak rivet]

If you guys cannot be on the same line, that means you both cannot cook

[umbral crown]

You can not just brick an unit to countet siren when we do not know which team they use to attack

[crystal flicker]

Feeds

[keen vapor]

I didn't do this

[oak rivet]

Echo didn't do that

It was a Diamond user

Revelation Sound

Gasp

[lunar pawn]

Mmm I need a new SPA def too, my bracket figured out how to counter my current setup

[oak rivet]

Let's get a Def

[crystal flicker]

Against Scarlet P1 it's only natural to run Siren or Noah

[keen vapor]

@swift mango it was Suisei! Suisei did this

[crystal flicker]

It's a choice

[umbral crown]

What you think its natural, others might not think the same

[oak rivet]

Me who not think but just want the best DEF without Emilia

[lunar pawn]

Any suggestions for a new SPA? I was trying yours until now @keen vapor

[oak rivet]

[crystal flicker]

How'd you counter Scarlet Siren Trina then? only lower CS Noise or 2RL Blanc (wasting HelmT + Noah)

Also I can confirm 25% CS 2.5 is peak

[umbral crown]

Just need to put an unit that should not burst in P1 and the rest of the team to fill 2 RL

[keen vapor]

I may know it's weakness we will need to become immune to scar siren and Indom team

[umbral crown]

And also you know for attack most people focus in 2 Teams not 3

[crystal flicker]

Yeh they be dead to Scarlet before bursting

[crystal flicker]

It's to waste resources

[umbral crown]

I could also just use Rosanna and thats it

No more scarlet

[crystal flicker]

How good your Rosa

[umbral crown]

Its not a waste when you do what has to to be done to secure the win

[oak rivet]

[umbral crown]

You will go for 2 teams

[crystal flicker]

That's the thing, you securing 1 def, just need 1 more good def

[umbral crown]

Did you do some changes in your units since last you updated?

[crystal flicker]

Also Rosa really needs Crit, mine stuck at 1.6M on CA

Against SG though

[keen vapor]

@lunar pawn let's do a test

Trina → Siren
Biscuit → Trina

[umbral crown]

Share your units in horizontal mode shorted by power, defense teams should be done about your investment to match the cp and speed

[umbral crown]

Is your attack high?

[crystal flicker]

45.13%

• 20% Noir

[umbral crown]

Then try to add crit

[crystal flicker]

Definitely

[lunar pawn]

Wut

[oak rivet]

Ok, wait a bit

[crystal flicker]

Though I wonder if Rosa lose her conceal against SG

[swift mango]

So, have anyone tested with exactly 30 ammo?

[umbral crown]

I see, soon will give you teams but for your Scar lock blue atk line im gloves and try toget ammo back there

[crystal flicker]

No, it's based on AR shooting speed

[umbral crown]

Hard to tell

[crystal flicker]

Eliminating P1 Scarlet

[keen vapor]

I'm desperate

[oak rivet]

You think you can check for what i can put in Rookie DEF then as well ?

Probably gonna be linked ig

W/o Rosanna

[wise horizon]

what was the counter to Noah/Biscuit/SBS? was it Blanc/SAnis?

[keen vapor]

If there's a noise there summer anis won't be a good option

This is why we want full teams

[swift mango]

Are you investing in Moran and Nero?

I see the doll on moran

[lunar pawn]

I will invest in nero after the collab I think

[oak rivet]

1/1/1

[swift mango]

Scarlet?

[oak rivet]

Moran is 4/4/4

No OL

[oak rivet]

Yes

[wise horizon]

hmm ok.

opponent has Noah/Biscuit/SBS/HelmT/Jackal

Was thinking Blanc/Emilia/RH/HelmT/Centi

[swift mango]

Keep it for more cp.

[lunar pawn]

Moran+nero>moran+bay?

[keen vapor]

Oh Summer anis is good option then

[oak rivet]

[keen vapor]

So does Emilia

My Emilia can one shot though

[oak rivet]

I'm almost at 200% ammo

[keen vapor]

[lunar pawn]

Rosanna?

[wise horizon]

hmm i will try Blanc/Emilia and see how that goes

[swift mango]

You could rerol them off for Crit rate or ele if you wanted to... ammo is good if you wanted to do indom play though.

[oak rivet]

What

I've 36% ATK

And 150% Ammo

Should be fine

[swift mango]

You probably want at least 1 ele line.

[oak rivet]

I've ive

25% elem dmg

[lunar pawn]

Thoughts?

Maybe switch rapu and blanc pos

[swift mango]

To clarify about this chart.

having more than 30 ammo make your Scar+trina 2rl burst with one more stack of scarlet, thus 23% more atk.

Having less than 30 ammo helps scarlet taking cover before Siren stun her to reload, thus ignore Siren stun. Reloading also stop you from doing counter during that time since no one hitting her.

With zero Ammo line, your scarlet is bricked for anything but scar trina 2rl. And bricked for PvE as well. But it has some merit because siren is around.

[lunar pawn]

On track for unlucky frame

[hollow lagoon]

@shell hazel

[loud sonnet]

Yey

[oak rivet]

I see

150% should be less than 30 ammo right

Nvm

It's more

[swift mango]

it's 50 ammo.

[oak rivet]

I always forget it's not 10 ammo she have but 20

[wise horizon]

any hope here? @keen vapor

[umbral belfry]

I can sleep for rest of ca

[umbral crown]

Of course, will give you sp and rookie .

[keen vapor]

What if you don't go for 3 wins?

[umbral crown]

Excellent

[umbral crown]

[oak rivet]

Nice

[swift mango]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1361204121654394961/1381274799833092176/2025-06-08_22-12-00.mp4?ex=6846ebe7&is=68459a67&hm=afb47d703f00563d75782eee2dab57e68508abe22172f806a39343279dfcdc35&

[hollow lagoon]

Rough

My next opponent has max core Siren

I mean I like siren a lot too but bruh

[pale knoll]

Me puedes cocinar otra defensa para mi otra cuenta porfi

No tiene noah

[wise horizon]

What do you mean?

[lunar pawn]

y a mi

[pale knoll]

[crystal flicker]

Does linked Nikke also got Indom effects if the other link got Indom?

[ornate spoke]

that dopamine hit

[shell hazel]

@hollow lagoon grats sir, I crashed out but not unexpected.
Midara sac team I won't run next time

my SBS indom lost because my indom ended earlier lmao 😄

[hollow lagoon]

Lel my next match depends on if the rosana team kill my stall team

In other words rough

[shell hazel]

actually I was pretty happy with the new indom variant but maybe I can slow it down a little and it still works

but the layout fired all 4 times and SBS got it without fail

[hollow lagoon]

Why do u hate him

[shell hazel]

bro has burnt like 1000 gems

[hollow lagoon]

My indom team has 0 wins this round

Literal the worst archetype

[shell hazel]

50/50 on my end, but tbh the 2 I lost it was bad counters

1 loss against biscuit + noah

and another against a slower SBS indom

[hollow lagoon]

I’m gonna move better units to non indom from now

[shell hazel]

helm + morana + anchor team had the worst performance at 1 W 3 L

[hollow lagoon]

Well my indom is 0w

My helm team cuts close but has not lost

[shell hazel]

i'll upload the video of mine soon

[hollow lagoon]

Even that weird redhood team somehow managed to win one

[ornate spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/im-not-doing-anything-sam-owen-the-oval-im-doing-nothing-about-it-im-not-making-a-move-gif-22315365

[hollow lagoon]

Oh nvm, my indom had 1 win against some random cp padding trash team

[umbral belfry]

@shell hazel we lose together

[swift mango]

Midhara sacc help my union leader and merry won against 2rl scar trina Jackal with their 3rl team.

[hollow lagoon]

I do my bracket fair

[ornate spoke]

It somewhat of a recurring thing that has been happening the entire week

[signal hull]

Seems like he can't find a...
lock.

https://tenor.com/view/drums-cat-ba-dum-tss-gif-24587305

[umbral belfry]

[shell hazel]

nooooo Hime!

[hollow lagoon]

Hime is in our bracket?

[umbral belfry]

it is time i honk shoo mimim

[shell hazel]

nah she's USA

[umbral belfry]

no, I'm I'm NA

[hollow lagoon]

[shell hazel]

good luck on next rounds Zant if I get a chance I'll vote in your matches 🙂

[signal hull]

YEEEY! I won. Idk how, but I won.

[umbral belfry]

GL everyone

[hollow lagoon]

If I make it thru the next one kek, my team 1 and 2’s basically gone, it’s up to team 5 to pull thru, but their rosana is huge I don’t think I can

[signal hull]

Damn. If this guy's LaplaceT was more developed, I'd have lost. Scary.

[shell hazel]

my matches - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQ8j5AIr8Dg

[ornate spoke]

he stopped at -1500💎

[shell hazel]

match 1 - sac meh didn't work. opponent team not that invested so my comp was just wrong
match 2 - despite noah being stunned at p1 and my opponent 2RL my cindy team still won with noise buff
match 3 - my SG team won 💪
match 4 - this version of stall comp hasn't generally done as well as my Bay one last CA - I could look at adding a Nero into the mix
match 5 - my quicker SBS indom was too quick and ended early (SBS vs SBS lol)

[daring remnant]

@umbral belfry riiip, now we wont get to face each other in top 8 😭

[umbral belfry]

never try that sac team again

[shell hazel]

I know but was interesting to see how it worked, ultimately waste of a scarlet

[umbral belfry]

now I can channel my inner koala and sleep all day maybe next time, gl gl!

[shell hazel]

I will say I was impressed with t5 and the SBS indom this fired all 4 times no misfires

[umbral belfry]

did it work

[shell hazel]

it did work 50/50 matches

[umbral belfry]

[shell hazel]

though one of the opponents was awful

[daring remnant]

btw, does my top 32 look winnable to you?

[shell hazel]

I mean it won but sac fired 0% of the time (mihara never died lol)

so it's a waste of a sac comp, if the sac fails

[umbral belfry]

I haven't really bothered checking any of the brackets if you want me to later I can!

[shell hazel]

I'll fix up my scarlet team and put Ros back with SG next CA

I need to see if I can 2.5RL SBS indom without sacrificing speed elsewhere

[daring remnant]

Yeah, that would be great!

[umbral belfry]

okie one second

@daring remnant I see where you and sei got inspiration from

[daring remnant]

[wild patio]

@loud sonnet

[loud sonnet]

[umbral belfry]

fair chance you lose against sei, you'd have to win t1 which is 50/50

I don't mind taking inspiration but it's a bit different if you can't mirror investments

ao basically the match will most likely look like this

[raven plover]

:icant:

[daring remnant]

Would I win my round prior? my initial thought was L, ?, L, W, W

[umbral belfry]

ah wait you might lose t1 too if your scar isn't under 30 ammo

[wild patio]

[loud sonnet]

Jack is staring at you from c8

[wild patio]

https://tenor.com/view/want-you-to-do-it-gif-20550570

[crystal flicker]

So close yet so far

[umbral belfry]

50/50, most likely L due to slower cindy often winning over faster (3 rl vs 4 rl), Leaning W but if drake gets stunned and noir bursts it's most likely a L; don't expect rosa to nuke, W, W

pray you win t1 and t3

I don't recommend using rosa if it's not 7/10/10, which judging from yours seems very likely

[daring remnant]

his t1 is faster so i assumed he gets it unless i kill jackal before burst somehow, which i dont think happens

yeah, my rosa isnt 7/10/10

thats good to know though

[umbral belfry]

while faster, his priv is feeding you more to push you higher

but it's still 50/50 nonetheless

[worthy knoll]

Slow Cindy team, miraculously won again. Well kidding aside, I'll prolly be top 32 walled again as usual

[umbral belfry]

in other words you'll basically be at 2 rl too due to how much they're feeding yoy

[daring remnant]

I see, thats interesting

[umbral belfry]

but still

[daring remnant]

I super appreciate the analysis!

[umbral belfry]

good luck!

[daring remnant]

I can definitely have rosa at 7/10/10 for next CA though

[umbral belfry]

well, it's that alongside OLs (40% atk)

can she function without 40% atk? yes. but it's recommended for that

[daring remnant]

oof, okay. that will take me some time then

[umbral belfry]

yeah she's high invest 😭

[daring remnant]

Getting OL's have been a slow grind for me

[umbral belfry]

[patent sail]

@crystal flicker I pulled trina should i use her anywhere here? Still scarletless

[hollow lagoon]

U can still use Trina got Moran stall

[ornate spoke]

he did it at attempt 23

[hollow lagoon]

Or just general healer

[hollow lagoon]

Oh he’s fighting you

It’s not u beating the shit out of him

[ornate spoke]

oh yeah that SP arena lol

now should i reshuffle and take the spot now?

[patent sail]

2 team 2rl

Thank u

[umbral belfry]

now take it back instantly so he can try again

[umbral belfry]

wait sir blanc isn't bursting in t1

[crystal flicker]

Oh ye

[umbral belfry]

[crystal flicker]

Swap Blanc and Biscuit position

ScarBS DrakeT Blanc Biscuit Jackal

[crystal flicker]

Can also opt for this, 2.5 if you have extra Quantum or enemy use non-RL

[patent sail]

Got it , also i have 3 quantum slot only

[crystal flicker]

RH doesn't need, it should be rounded coz only -0.05%

[ornate spoke]

done

[patent sail]

For pvp did u guys prio lvling quantum or adjutant?

[crystal flicker]

Tempering

Quantum > Adj if only to fill few % gap

[steep oak]

Is Siren good in PvP? I've noticed a lot of people in my bracket have switched to Siren.

[ornate spoke]

only thing i know is Siren is a direct counter to P1 Noah

[umbral belfry]

[unique mountain]

[steep oak]

That makes sense, I imagine that's how this guy keeps beating my team.

Anyone by chance have a suggestion to counter this guy's Siren team?

[patent sail]

I see , i heard i should prio at least lvling Noah skill to 4/4/4 who else should i prio lvl at least to 444? Biscuit? Pvp units only, cuz for pve/pvp units i mostly lvled them already

[umbral belfry]

if your Noah has more cs than your noise, noise would get stunned instead. can try 3 rl noah cindy such as noise noah cindy helmt rumani (assuming no cp deficit). more times than not a slower noah cindy team wins

wait nvm that's 2 rl. something like noise noah cindy bisc helmt

or something to make it 3 rl

[steep oak]

Understood, I think I can pull this team off. Thank you fore your time.

[umbral belfry]

Gl

[steep oak]

Suggestion for cube on Noise?

[umbral belfry]

I use vigor, but if you think she would die before burst you can use tempering

[steep oak]

10-4, thank you.

[umbral belfry]

actually

pepper for bisc might be better. bc noise will get stunned due to being at b1. you would need another b1

@steep oak

rumani could work but you would have to take out helmt otherwise that team is 2 rl

[steep oak]

So if I'm understanding you correctly, from left to right, Noise, Noah, Cindy, Pepper, Helm?

[umbral belfry]

that can work, yeah. it's just barely under 3 rl

[steep oak]

I will give it a whirl. Appreciate it.

[spare nimbus]

Easy w?

[umbral belfry]

if that fails (and assuming their Noah doesn't have 11 cs to dodge her own siren stun), you could try (pref linked) p1 siren scar trina centi jackal

because noah is in p2 and the only taunted, siren at pos1 or pos2 would stun her (but again, assuming that noah doesn't have 11cs+)

[umbral belfry]

you're cp gapped on both

[spare nimbus]

Nah bro trust super easy

[patent sail]

This always my issue, u cook a good proper pvp teams and some random pve units with huge cp beat u

And I can't find the balance to invest on both pvp/pve

[crystal flicker]

4/4/4 only for cp pad, all my PvP at least got 4/4/4

[umbral belfry]

nothing scarier than a full blown super duper mega whale pve team on def

all max core

[umbral belfry]

cp gap aside, I would be wary about putting noise in p5 due to drake hitting

which should be fine, but a warning nonetheless

[lofty fable]

who do you think will win this match?

[ornate spoke]

only 4 tries this time

[steep oak]

My bracket has a bunch of people between 1.2 - 1.56 Mil. I feel this. I'm barely touching 800k CP. 😭

[ornate spoke]

honestly always prioritize PvE
PvP barely gives you stuff to use in the game

[patent sail]

Yeah i prio pve , but can't stand the bully on pvp

[spare nimbus]

Yeah she survives

[uneven raptor]

Hi! Can someone help me build my pvp teams? I'm currently building Biscuit and Rumani but I've had terrible luck with their dolls
My teams are:
1: scarlet -sbs-trina-rumani-jackal
2:Noah-Alice-Biscuit-RedHood-TrHelm
3: no team
I'm trying to keep getting more into pvp but I'm lost if my teams are still working

[signal hull]

Except for the best source of f2p gems.

[lunar pawn]

Thoughts on this setup with my current roster?

[glad glade]

God makes me predict some of his funniest battles
Are my predictions correct? Top is attacking, bottom is defending. Crossed out teams are the losers

[ornate spoke]

only SP arena, and to even get competitive there you need to have multiple teams invested in the PVE part in the first place

[umbral crown]

[umbral crown]

Pero y la caja

[umbral crown]

Tambien?

[umbral crown]

Will be working in your teams

[lunar pawn]

Si por favor

[umbral crown]

Bro is cooking

[umbral crown]

Pero y la caja?

[oak rivet]

I totally forgot

Oi, english

[umbral crown]

Hehe no worries

[lunar pawn]

This is the team I was thinking of running, roster in my other replied msg #pvp-arena message

[umbral crown]

https://tenor.com/view/komi-cant-communicate-komi-san-comyushou-desu-anime-osana-najimi-laughing-gif-21522609

[lunar pawn]

My current teams

[umbral crown]

This looks fine, give a try

[glad glade]

Anyone?

[umbral crown]

I usually put the attacking team bottom but either way works. Others wins looks fine but to me moran team gonna win

Drake is single tsrget and whoever drake kills, mana will revive

Even tho siren will stun

[glad glade]

Gotchu. This is factoring in Noah blocking Helm’s attack correct? Also, what do you think about the P4 SG vs Cindy team?

Cause that one is a real doozy and I don’t know whether Rumani will survive long enough to burst

[swift mango]

Both Cindy team can win their battles. it's defending on if they have enough CS and counter rng...

The moran team can win as well.

good luck

[lunar pawn]

hope it works

[swift mango]

scarlet bricked? Biscuit bricked?

[strong hull]

@swift mango just done reading to the lastest chapter of Infinity gacha

Now ig ill move to the next one

[umbral belfry]

@wet crystal @shell hazel mw hard is gonna drive me insane

https://tenor.com/view/roman-reigns-stressed-headache-ow-gif-5636886

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/lock-in-xbox-lock-locked-in-tap-lock-tap-lock-in-gif-15828046582060325350

[umbral belfry]

i fear that no amount of locking in will fix this

[lunar pawn]

thoughts? top attacker, bottom defender

thinking attacker will:
t1 win
t2 win
t3 win
t4 lose
t5 lose

[strong hull]

I think 3 gonna lose

[shell hazel]

top looks like keripo teams?

[lunar pawn]

3 is a bit awkward but doesn't seem to have enough gen to reach 2.5RL, unless the guy somehow has 17% CS lines

defender moran from t2 only has blue doll so doesn't seem like she'll hold out for long

[eager mountain]

[upper zephyr]

this person has not had much luck against me

[swift mango]

it's not hard, just check their previous battle and you would know. surely you could spend the effort.

[shell hazel]

jackal feed? also they could have CS lines for sure

[swift mango]

Don't forget that you can check pervious battles for CS. I forgot about it today and almost failed a cheer

[lunar pawn]

truee, gonna check in a bit and record

[median marten]

What is CS mean?

[umbral belfry]

charge speed

[lunar pawn]

yea seems 2.5RL, dayum

ok so attacker loses, which means I vote for attacker

cheers

[glad glade]

Thanks Blood. I hate these weird matchups but I keep getting them . Ik you said the Cindy team may win, but in your opinion, who do you think will have more of a chance to win round 4?

[hoary hill]

bro does noise cindy teams are pretty annoing

if you have not enough charge speed on some rl your cooked literlly had to rebuild scarlet team to get challenger two again lol

[swift mango]

If rumani burst same time as Rossana in 2.5rl Cindy would nuke. you could check their helm CS. I would be more in favor of rossana because lower investment needed.

[glad glade]

Understood, thank you!

[swift mango]

noise will obviously die ofc.

[hoary hill]

yea becausw she tanks but thats why i got noah and little mermaid so i got a advantage

that helped mostly but i need to work on cs

[shell hazel]

i'm still gathering some levels for nihil on 22H, getting closer but think I'll need the 321 jump still

7 levels to go, so maybe a week or two

[swift mango]

imagine clearing MW just to stuck at grumpy dragon. Couldn't be me.

because I waited to near blue to clear mw

@umbral crown , Idk if you know this, but turn the "min ammo" option in setting on.

[shell hazel]

yeah it's a dragon whale dragon sandwich of chapters lol

[ornate spoke]

So should i invest in rumani or rosanna first?

[swift mango]

if you could afford 71010 rossana then OL her first.

[shell hazel]

from 0? rumani is much quicker to get running and more useful across more teams

[ornate spoke]

just the gear

skills both are already 7/7/7

[hoary hill]

and cs i would say

to get the rockets out quicker having an advantage

i would say

[ornate spoke]

who the heck is CS?

[sleek imp]

[swift mango]

777 rumani. And I thought I was generous on my rumani with 757.

[shell hazel]

4/4/4 would be starting point for a basic battery 😛

[ornate spoke]

if you been playing since day 0, you are more than likely to have plenty of I and II manuals lol

[swift mango]

Rumani skill 3 is small buff to dmg and indom play. S1 is small help to tanking. Only her skill 2 is useless

[shell hazel]

I look forward to finding out (when I get her!) 😄

[swift mango]

If I played day one I would have makima and all my SpA units 101010 including rumani.

[swift mango]

I mean, my Noah is 10105 as well as Jackal 1055. I max all the battery useful skill even just a little useful

[ornate spoke]

i have a 1/1/1 makima

[swift mango]

I know

[shell hazel]

yeah kind of thing I'd do if I could afford it, not been playing long enough to have everyone skilled up and I've neglected some raid units a bit

[dim escarp]

I m still rdy

gogogogo

[wet crystal]

Attempt at 317 left me at 140 bars, either I need better OL, or like you, reach 321

[shell hazel]

314 and like 200 bars here lol, it's getting closer...

[dim escarp]

@swift mango dude I did lose mu CA pool for the fist time

feels bad now

[wet crystal]

May rng smile at you

[sleek imp]

Ah yes balance SPA shuffle

[dim escarp]

I guess draft midhara was a misstake

you could insult me for my team

I swear

[lunar pawn]

any new SPA defense recommendations? #pvp-arena message

[wet crystal]

That Diane is gonna hold that spot till next shuffle, are they proper teams or cp padding involved

[swift mango]

midhara is good in the right teams. Mainly 3-4rl Biscuit. As she is free win against scarlet

[sleek imp]

Whales

MLB all pilgrims

[sleek imp]

3-4 month in player, I know thats impossible without his creditcard info

[dim escarp]

go ahead, insult me

[wet crystal]

That's a high end whale

[swift mango]

swap Miden and Biscuit then

invest in Xmaiden cs

[wet crystal]

Ayy fellow p1 scarlet, I pray you not match a siren

[dim escarp]

that was my next cook

[dim escarp]

Wait look

[swift mango]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1177116972593463316/1380927056287764541/Screenrecorder-2025-06-07-21-55-49-383.mp4?ex=6846f98a&is=6845a80a&hm=546d63651751651b0133bbda0bcc512b3834673ce4f00c9a9235245163ee559d&

believe in your investment like me.

[wet crystal]

Chat, how long we waiting?

[swift mango]

[dim escarp]

I don't have emi cuz stated months after

[wet crystal]

Same, wish I had emi

[dim escarp]

tell me what to fix

@swift mango

I beg ya bro

[wet crystal]

Never really seen target skipping in action like that... that's what I'm seeing right? Scar on siren targetting

[swift mango]

start with rebuild everything

[thin perch]

What is the counter to this team if Siren just stuns Noah?

[swift mango]

That's scarlet counter

s2

[dim escarp]

everytime y'all said this, should I dm you?

[wet crystal]

7/4/7, 2 OLs, time to build

[dim escarp]

guess I m shit tier building it's ok

[swift mango]

No, better to ask Railtracer on this chat to cook you CA teams.

[dim escarp]

if he answer me ye

[swift mango]

I mean, Nero team is pretty much fixed. Nero Moran HelmT Rapu flex. And try to make it 2,5rl

[dim escarp]

alr so what in this this team does it count

?

you barely answered

[swift mango]

You don't even use rapu there.

The main win con of Nero Moran Rapu team is that Moran burst and Rapu+Nero survive.

[dim escarp]

Fr welp

[swift mango]

nothing else matters.

It's a very exclusive team.

where components needed all to be gathered and upgraded

just like exodia

[dim escarp]

should I dm you next time lol

[thin perch]

What is the counter to this?

[dim escarp]

cuz I m lost fr

I think I know pvp

[umbral belfry]

soon

[dim escarp]

but hell na

[swift mango]

No. Just chat here if you need helps. If I can't help other will.

[shell hazel]

[summer copper]

have you tried Emilia?

[umbral belfry]

no buffs on that scar something tells me they're gonna hit like a noodle

[dim escarp]

The usual then lmao, doing this since month

[umbral belfry]

well if you wanan count siren's baby buff

[dim escarp]

Anyway ty blood

fr you did answer most of my issue

[swift mango]

start with unbick your Noah by giving her 11% cs or above.

[thin perch]

Siren always stuns my Noah and
My team dies

It feels like nothing beats that team other than a mirror match

[shell hazel]

tried indom scar on the same sort of speed?

[umbral belfry]

could nuke link

[thin perch]

Like I’m baffled

[umbral belfry]

and good ol reliable noise + noah with noah having more cs so noise gets taunted

[shell hazel]

have you tried sending this at it? assuming not at cp deficit

[swift mango]

Try

Noah+Noise+Biscuit+Siren+Cindy

And record it. Then we would know what to do next.

[shell hazel]

or maybe we can add RH to buff scar

[lunar pawn]

isn't his noah just gonna get stunned and his team wiped?

[umbral belfry]

Depends on how his noah + noise cs are

[thin perch]

I don’t have 11% charge speed on them

[lunar pawn]

who's faster, noah or noise

[umbral belfry]

if his noise has more cs, then noah's getting stunned

[swift mango]

This might lose because Siren stun Scar mid way through her indom play.

[umbral belfry]

even if they're both at 0 cs, adding an adjutant cube will remedy that

[thin perch]

Noise does

[umbral belfry]

welp

[shell hazel]

it might, get 5 tries though worth sending once and trying 🙂

[lunar pawn]

oof

[swift mango]

just try my suggestion so we know your CS. As well as Their CS.

[umbral belfry]

i wonder if moran bay helm would work here helm won't nuke due to noah though

[swift mango]

it could win outright too.

[umbral belfry]

but won't get nuked due to bay

[thin perch]

I rolled a black charge speed line on Noah

[lunar pawn]

I mean, he can literally tell us his CS

[umbral belfry]

true 😭

[thin perch]

Noah should be faster now

[umbral belfry]

what are the exact numbers on them

[thin perch]

Noah 6.09 noise 4.92

[umbral belfry]

[swift mango]

probably same cs now

[umbral belfry]

it's not the same no? noah has 6 and noise is at 5?

[lunar pawn]

faster is faster

[umbral belfry]

granted i guess you could put adjutant cube on noah for added measure sure

[swift mango]

he could equip Adjustant on Noah now.

[umbral belfry]

[swift mango]

[shell hazel]

I beat a similar team using indom scar midhara sac
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/n2tV5hoR1dc

[lunar pawn]

embed doko

[umbral belfry]

you and your scar midhara

[placid bloom]

Hime you failed me

[umbral belfry]

yeah....maybe u shouldn't have trusted me

[shell hazel]

it worked in rookie less so in CA 😄

[umbral belfry]

to be fair i'm jsut as surprised as you, mostly in t1

[swift mango]

Midhara sacc did half of the work here. Maybe even more.

[placid bloom]

Idk, I didn't even look at the matchup. I will look at it now

[umbral belfry]

kuwon 😭

now i sleep for ca

[shell hazel]

a win is a win 😄

[swift mango]

You could ask him to try midhara sacc as well. Then Indom scar might win. Indom scar alone won't

[lunar pawn]

can't he just run noise rumani cindy helmt noah? or replace cindy for redpi

[shell hazel]

can try same comp I ran but I guess depends a bit on invest

[umbral belfry]

i was thinking this too

[shell hazel]

redpi is better here if built I reckon

[umbral belfry]

the team would have to be 2rl due to their 2 rl no? granted i don't think their scar would wipe with baby buffs but maybe i'm wrong

no trina

[lunar pawn]

redpi will blow up the other team, 0 survivability outside noah

[shell hazel]

The redpi team that Doppel suggested to me beat a similar team as well

[swift mango]

It's easy win if he have the right tool. Like Miranda.

If his Siren can stun noah it's also easy win.

But dude refuse to even spend one of his rookie hit to try.

[umbral belfry]

miranda

[lunar pawn]

Idek what he has built

[dim escarp]

Miranda?

[lunar pawn]

he could be 100 levels below him and I wouldn't know

[swift mango]

Miranda to use with 2rl Emi and take p1.

[umbral belfry]

must be nice having emi

[dim escarp]

[pale knoll]

I'll in a bit

[shell hazel]

this was the team you suggested doppel and it worked for me
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKX-dGMj_kI

[oak gale]

who wins here?

[lunar pawn]

didn't work, mainly because anis team is pretty damn low in cp

[oak gale]

against

[lunar pawn]

please use this and share the deck vs deck with RL https://nikke-deck.web.app/

[pale knoll]

@umbral crown

[oak gale]

do i have to? its lagging so hard since im using an old laptop

[umbral belfry]

siren scar vs soda scar

[lunar pawn]

it's easier to compare teams and know what the actual speed will be like

it's not a sus website, you can tag a mod to check if you're unsure

[oak gale]

no i know its trustable , what i meant is its hard for me to use it right now bc this

[shell hazel]

if that site runs slow I think you need a new laptop 😄

[lunar pawn]

do you have 200 chrome tabs opened or smth

[umbral belfry]

🥔

[oak gale]

brother i type my message and wait like 5 seconds for it to register

[placid bloom]

hmm your matchup was just unlucky, he had slow Rapu revive into Helm

[river moat]

im around 470000 power and im kinda stuck between diamond 9 and 6. is this normal

[lunar pawn]

discord in general is lagging after the last UI update, so nothing weird there

[placid bloom]

actual 4RL Rapu revive

[oak gale]

nope , as i said the laptop is old , like 10+ years old

[umbral belfry]

i fear winning CA last doomed what luck i had left for the rest of it

[placid bloom]

still winning

[umbral belfry]

if anything i was surprised by my sg and 2 rl noah cindy

[lunar pawn]

then check on your phone ig?

[umbral belfry]

but a win is a win (for that match)

and now, we both sleep until next ca

[oak gale]

ill just say team 2 wins

[placid bloom]

the SG one was a bit weird, but I think it just naturally has a good matchup into 3RL Cinderella

since usually Cinderella team doesn't have extra burst gen to work with if someone dies

they instantly drop speed

[lunar pawn]

[umbral belfry]

hard to say because there's a lot of factors: your teams, your OLs, if you're cp-gapped, etc

[placid bloom]

your Ros needs a bit of work I guess, it still can't one-shot Helm

[umbral belfry]

it was a 2 rl one though

[umbral belfry]

yeah def she's at 7/10/10 but my OLs are but building rosa more is on the lower agenda for me rn

i gotta gear up my SGs more mostly

so as long as rosa gets the job done enough, that's okay with me

[placid bloom]

oh it is, but it feels so slow

[umbral belfry]

maybe bc noise + noah died?

[placid bloom]

I guess 5th SG volley comes out before Noah can burst

[umbral belfry]

[placid bloom]

and Ros + 5th volley is enough to kill

[umbral belfry]

shoutout my semi scuffed sg team

[placid bloom]

actually no, you took 5 volleys to kill Noise

[umbral belfry]

i'm unsure if noise even bursted

[lunar pawn]

anyway, any new team advice?
#pvp-arena message

[umbral belfry]

bc even if she didn't, rumani should've

and ig noah died before fb?

[placid bloom]

sec checking their buffs

nvm it's 4 volleys to kill Noise, this slow mo camera replay makes it hard to tell

so Noise dies, Ros hits Noah + Helm and Noah dies to 5th volley

[umbral belfry]

That does add up

[placid bloom]

so they're stuck at B1

[umbral belfry]

at least this was good data though

[placid bloom]

SBS Blanc losing is as expected

I swear that team has 0 matchups it wants to see

[umbral belfry]

forreal

[placid bloom]

other than CP pad

[umbral belfry]

raven indom...trust

[placid bloom]

I already know sword user RL not gonna have AoE on charge attack

[umbral belfry]

[placid bloom]

oh ashiun lost to Chinese man

[umbral belfry]

now @wet crystal @jagged mesa our bracket is completely out 😭

night night for us

[wet crystal]

[umbral belfry]

[unique mountain]

[lunar pawn]

how much gen does jackal+scarlet generate per 10 shots on them?

7%ish?

mm 3.55% per 10 shots by herself apparently

[swift mango]

4.9% on average. With both of them linked and quantum on Jackal.

[lunar pawn]

mm so if I'm at 90%+ with jackal in p1 (and scarlet in p2) I'm 2RL no matter what, even if enemy has rosanna

well, rosanna is a non issue if jackal is p1 already

[pure moss]

hehe

[lunar pawn]

grats

[pure moss]

ty

[keen vapor]

If you don't have resources to do 3 rounds, then better to focus in only 2

Sorry, I did go to a mountain with no wifi

[keen vapor]

Oye ya te vi

[pale knoll]

[keen vapor]

Creíste que te podías esconder

[keen vapor]

How you know so many languages

[pure moss]

who would win?

[wise horizon]

Hiking?

[pale knoll]

[keen vapor]

Not really, just Movistar
-# an awful mobile red service for their poor signal

[lunar pawn]

imo, attacker will:
t1 win
t2 lose
t3 win
t4 lose
t5 win

[pure moss]

so it looks like I'm losing on this one

[keen vapor]

Me too

[glad glade]

Sorry for bringing this up again, but I reviewed the footage again and noticed that both Rumani and Helm have 17% CS, since they both shot 3 times before 3RL. This means that the Cindy team wins correct?

Also, for T1, they should both burst at the same time (right as 1:27 turns to 1:26) and nobody should die preburst. Only Helm has the 17% CS. Moran should burst before she gets stunned. Does that mean the Moran team wins?

[pure moss]

does bp diff help?

[keen vapor]

CP penalty inexistent in CA

[lunar pawn]

it's just an indicator of how built the units are, can be interesting when there are close matchups

moran team looking like it'll get wiped though

didn't check RL

[keen vapor]

Both 3RL

[pure moss]

mine is 2.5 RL

[lunar pawn]

oh it's the one I gave my opinion on above heh

[keen vapor]

Ok, every Helm has charge speed...

[dim sapphire]

t3 depend if rosa is invested

[lunar pawn]

doesn't matter, blanc will burst before rosanna anyway, that's gg already

whether it's maiden or sbs that gets indom won't matter, enough time will pass for a clean wipe

[dim sapphire]

oh right is 2rl

[keen vapor]

I'm losing

[lunar pawn]

maybe I'm wrong and I'm not seeing smth, could wait for someone else's input

[pure moss]

interesting hmm

ty for your input regardless

[lunar pawn]

[jagged mesa]

I'm not pulling my weight I'm sorry 😭

I think my opponent beat me cuz they had higher CS in our 2rl vs 1.xrl scarlet mirror

[umbral belfry]

shh it's okay it's hibernation time

[wet crystal]

We're all making it out of 32 under next time

[umbral belfry]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1273933998762229845/1378623387592687760/1748258173317.gif

look at it this way

[pure moss]

how about this one?

[umbral belfry]

at least we're not in top 32 hell

[jagged mesa]

Actually could you take a look at my r1? Did I feed that jackal to 1.5rl or something

[umbral belfry]

are you defending?

[pure moss]

yes

[jagged mesa]

They full bursted before my b2

[umbral belfry]

I can but I g2g for a bit soon, you can ping me and I can look

[wet crystal]

@umbral belfry update, a cook got thru ur t2 in spa

[jagged mesa]

God my drake must have fed like crazy

My attempt to spread out units for multiple 2rl backfired in this scarlet mirror

[wet crystal]

All shotguns feed so much

[pure moss]

I won the 64 and it wasn't even close

[umbral belfry]

Not quite sure about t1 but you should win t2 and lose t5 for sure. t3 and t4 are a bit tricky to predict.

[jagged mesa]

I didnt think it could feed to like 1.5rl though

[umbral belfry]

ngl I forgot what I even put there

[wet crystal]

Wasn't there a 1rl scar jack team that was fed? Pretty nutty

[jagged mesa]

It might be honestly... They killed me before I could be at 2rl

[wet crystal]

I forgot, and can't see cuz I had to try twice

[jagged mesa]

In brighter news though, I got past gluttony

[umbral belfry]

alas

[jagged mesa]

It's funny cuz the only diff between x90 bars and a clear with 3s left was a single range reroll from 9% ele to 20% ele on rapi

[wet crystal]

Now clear 38!

[umbral belfry]

isn't he done

[wet crystal]

It all comes down to OLs

[jagged mesa]

I'm donezo

[umbral belfry]

time for hard

[wet crystal]

Ohhh

We invite you to 20-21-22, dragon whale dragon hell

[umbral belfry]

my ankles

hurry bc I have a new cook

[wet crystal]

Needs invests... but collab around the corner

[umbral belfry]

raven pvp meta/clip RL I swear I promise trust

[wet crystal]

Such cope fr fr

[jagged mesa]

I think it's already shown that raven isn't clip

[pure moss]

nah raven is more like A2

[jagged mesa]

But she seems to be that weird like long charge with long animation delay rl

[umbral belfry]

[jagged mesa]

Yeah it looked like a2

[umbral belfry]

is A2 good or...

[pure moss]

she was alright for pve for a while

[umbral belfry]

it's so over

[wet crystal]

A2 is around regular rl speed right

11 ish

[jagged mesa]

Maybe raven is meta breaking with 500% splash range at start. TIME FOR 1RL META

[umbral belfry]

maybe eve then hahahah..

surely they made them both iron to counter the 999 electric in pvp

[lone sequoia]

A2 is slower than a normal RL

[jagged mesa]

A2 has a weird animation delay

[lone sequoia]

she have more burst gen from 3 targets+explosion+S2 dmg

[pure moss]

she charges faster than normal RL tho

[lone sequoia]

so you can't use her in 2RL teams that need her 2nd shot because she is slower

[umbral belfry]

at least A2 is great in automata

[rocky creek]

I'm really struggling to beat this one player in PVP who uses this setup. No matter what I use I just can't figure it out. What kind of weakness does this team have?

[umbral belfry]

what in God's name is that TEAM

[placid bloom]

[wet crystal]

Regardless of collab meta, MLB and skins 100%

[jagged mesa]

That's an interesting one

[pure moss]

throw your scarlet 2RL there

[umbral belfry]

bunny alice though

[placid bloom]

you must be getting CP gapped

[lone sequoia]

you can try to user her and notice how she attack from her back if you have a good amount of cs

[jagged mesa]

Raven is the only character that could possibly dethrone Cindy as my pfp

[rocky creek]

I tried but Scarlett dies super fast. She gets focused for being the highest attack power I think

[umbral belfry]

no me first

[jagged mesa]

U already went the way of arcana

[umbral belfry]

are you cp gapped

[umbral belfry]

I'm changing my ways

[rocky creek]

im at a 70k cp deficit

[jagged mesa]

Which I might have too if I COULD PULL ARCANA

[pure moss]

that's too much

[umbral belfry]

hmm, without knowing the actual numbers of both teams that could either be cp gapped or barely cp gapped

gotta do the maths

[placid bloom]

70k at sync 240 is a lot

[umbral belfry]

it is yeah

[lone sequoia]

for deficit try to use the %, raw numbers doesn't matter

[umbral belfry]

but for now i must go so

[pure moss]

ye nah

[placid bloom]

roughly 25% just eyeballing it

you just die to normal attacks

[jagged mesa]

Even if they survive they aren't nuking with that deficit

[rocky creek]

ah, so nothing strategy-wise I can do to make up for it, huh? This guy's gear and skills must be insane. I think it's a whale account

[lone sequoia]

biscuit and rosanna comps work in deficit, the next "new" team that also work in deficit is scarlet/trina/RH that is fine around 25~30% depending on the element in the enemy team

[jagged mesa]

Not really a whale account, they're same synchro as you roughly. Myu though...

[placid bloom]

kinda but it's also probably your batteries being low priority investment

[lone sequoia]

OL in some unitts and good lines

[rocky creek]

They have a lot of core limit break 2s and 3's not just in this team comp.

[placid bloom]

I don't think you're at the point where you can work on Anis or Centi's gear

since campaign should be your priority

[ornate spoke]

Does Sanis PVP also uses the resiliance cube?

[lone sequoia]

yes, but you still need her burst at lv9, you can also use other pvp cubes if your team needs to tank or have more cheap dmg

[jagged mesa]

What I mean to say is that beating them is probably not out of reach

[ornate spoke]

oh im good in regards to skill, im fixing her because i had 4x max ammo on her OL gear

[jagged mesa]

Myu though is straight up 43 synchros over you, that one is gg

[calm gull]

and +100 acc lv

[jagged mesa]

Wait what synchro/commander level are the players at the top of your bracket

[rocky creek]

I wonder how you can stack so much CP when our levels are more or less the same. Do core limit break upgrades provide that much CP boost?

[swift mango]

Moran will get stun. And even with some CS, it's not sure if that would be faster than 2.5rl of SG team.

[jagged mesa]

No they just invested more in gear and maybe doll

For example I think my bracket is newer than yours but we're all sitting at 330k+ cp

So I was wondering what the top players in your bracket are

[rocky creek]

my top pvp player is 667k CP

I'm not that invested in dolls on Anis on Centi, so that's probably dragging me down a lot

[lone sequoia]

every dupe is like 2% stats more for each unit, you can have something like +20% stats, that is not always same as cp, but it is more cp, the main factor* for how different the power value is for some units is the OL and amount of line in each piece, you can have 3 lines that should give more cp than 1 or 2, at the same time you have different tiers for every effect that also adds more power to your unit.
in pvp is OL+dupes+skills lv (aside from sync lvl)

[swift mango]

If Rumani actually had 17% CS and not 8-11%. Then Cindy team has good chance.

[jagged mesa]

I think probably they played more consistently/pushed campaign harder so you have fallen behind a bit, if you can push campaign as much as you can, you can probably start catching up more

I'd do that first before trying to bandaid fix PvP units

[glad glade]

Yep she has 17%. She and Helm both shot 3 shots at around 2.5 RL

[rocky creek]

thanks for the info. I simply don't have enough crystals or enough doll upgrades for anis and Centi. That's probably where I'm falling short

[glad glade]

Unless if 8-11% CS is enough for a unit to fire an extra shot before the 3RL mark

[swift mango]

Well, how is his noise doll and CP? If she can't survive at least 2SG volley then it would be the SG team's win. Might as well keep your old prediction to save the trouble.

Moran team need to survive and face tank the SG for 3second of Moran stun to win as well

[jagged mesa]

No you don't need to focus on dolls for centi or Anis yet

Both you and that other 242 synchro player have kinda fallen behind in your bracket

Dolls for 2 batteries won't fix that, you should invest in campaign and push as hard as you can

And eventually you'll pass up the other played that have fallen behind equally

Else you're gonna dump a TON of scarce resources into units , just to go up by only like 10k cp

Like doll resources are so scarce that, right now, I don't even have any R doll on some of my batteries, but I'm still 310k+ for my PvP team on a newer account, and that's been enough to be #2 in rookie

Leveling your battery dolls is a trap rn

[lunar pawn]

can moran+bay team tank scarlet buffed by trina?

[rocky creek]

I see. I'll keep that in mind. Right now I've mainly been pumping doll mats on my campaign team because I'm at roughly a 25% CP deficit

[glad glade]

@swift mango His noise is 114k with a purple doll. Unsure if its a SR5 or SR10. All units in the opposing SG team are over 100k, so they’re decently invested.

As for Moran, all the units except Mana look to be healthily invested

Anyways, I’ll keep my old prediction. Thank you so much for your help!

[jagged mesa]

Yeah keep focusing on your best campaign team

If you want to throw overloads on your PvP units though and you can spare it, that's a decent cp boost

Just not doll materials unless your meta campaign units are fully done

I'd kill for more doll mats rn

[rocky creek]

I know the feeling. I have no doll mats coming into this next limited event

[jagged mesa]

Same, but the next solo raid should be coming up soon

I think with the collab actually

[umbral belfry]

if same speed or faster yes

[oak gale]

on helm

[lunar pawn]

interesting

[oak gale]

also do i rlly need 24% charge speed on helm for pvp?

[lone sequoia]

no, but at some point you will need most of your units at that speed...

[oak gale]

i think i do need it because i have some annoying ppl in my bracket who are willing to spend like 1200 gems just to move

[lunar pawn]

no

[lone sequoia]

we already reached the point in pvp that nothing works and the only thing you can do is: get better lines, better speed and boost your cp

[lunar pawn]

tbh if someone is gemming to get your rank, the difference will be how many fights it'll take them to get your rank

[placid bloom]

I don't expect everyone and their mother to be CA champion level investment

[oak gale]

ch1 , agrees with ch4 to lose to him , same with ch5 , just to pull me to ch5 from ch2 , like bro who has that dedication it feels like a cult and my man has a crow pfp-

[lone sequoia]

i see with my alt account how people burn like 20k gems in sp every season in attacks

[jagged mesa]

Wtf

[oak gale]

ye and its like never worth it , the 300 gems u spend on getting back to ch1-3 would have been better if u stayed at ch4-6 like my guy

[umbral belfry]

just know if your bay bursts too late it's wraps

[jagged mesa]

Maybe if they spent that 20k elsewhere they'd be strong enough to not gem for position

[lone sequoia]

and with my main all top10 teams are bad, but if i try to attack c4 (i can't hit top 3;+200sync lvl) everyone will spam gems against me

[lone sequoia]

people have ego problems, and that is what this pvp style need

[jagged mesa]

Honestly in the grand scheme of things, PvP brackets are so top heavy

[oak gale]

@lone sequoia look at dis
that guy , bc i kept trading with him from ch2 to ch 1 and vice versa , after spending all those tokens and such , decided to move to 1v1 and spend like 25 tokens , half of them were wins for me , out of idk 💀

[lone sequoia]

is a easy and fast way to make people spend gems with false threats

[jagged mesa]

All that drama and hubbub in the top 7

Meanwhile the other 300 in the bracket are chilling/afk

[keen vapor]

Holy

[oak gale]

yes

[oak gale]

gotta prepare , my bracket is not fighting against me
they are assassinating me

[lone sequoia]

yep, ego problems or the "MC syndrome"

[keen vapor]

[oak gale]

no no its like , i thought this was bad right
but idk how some ppl keep track of my online activity , to wait to attack while i close the game , which is also wasnt that bad right
but here is what shocked me
im ch2 , chillin minding my buisness
ch1 , agress with ch4 to lose to him , then agrees to lose to ch5 , just to attack me and pull me down to ch5 , and gets back to ch1

https://tenor.com/view/undertale-sans-boi-inhales-gif-8945135

it aint that deep

[jagged mesa]

Mustang approves of the entertainment

[keen vapor]

@clear vessel they found us

[lone sequoia]

bro, i have the schedule of the people who were in my original sp bracket, but no reason to play pvp if the game is just in a bad state (team building)

[oak gale]

its as if i insulted his ancestors my guy

[keen vapor]

[lunar pawn]

not running moran+bay atm, probably need a new setup to run them again

[keen vapor]

[lone sequoia]

in my alt only 1 account can beat my teams (cp gap) but he always attacked me so i stopped pushing ranks, they swap ranks in sp every time i check my alt

[lunar pawn]

next up in my list is probably building nero and getting 17% CS lines on more clip rls

[oak gale]

i cant do that because i cant be bothered , and since im using a potato i can at most stay around lets say 3 hours , bc the game takes like an hour to load in i have to open the launcher like at 10pm so i can login before the reset
thats why its like ye it ain t that bad my fault
but holy bananas these people from the new bracket are working with the mafia bud-
maybe i could see if they are in the server , or smthn
nope , the only guy i know from my brackets or server in general is axel because the rest apaprently cese to exist 💀 💀 how are these ppl coordinating

I AM SILVAH

i am no longer piss orange

[keen vapor]

but I want to challenge C1 guys

[lunar pawn]

I don't mind dropping ranks, my mind is at peace knowing people getting my rank need to spend way more gems than it's worth

kinda funny too cus the guys making it to CA range always crash and burn early

unless they wanna flex at best their top 32 frames or smth

[oak gale]

brother 💀

[lone sequoia]

yep, that is what i have been doing for the last 2 years, make them spend more with just your free hits

right now my main account sp is a bit quiet

[oak gale]

as long as my gem reward is high , i can fulfil my f2p gambling addiction

[lone sequoia]

and i only check teams when the people who jump to higher ranks change their def teams, but nothing new or interesting

[keen vapor]

Ikr Dirk leveling up 5 times to try to get rid off of me is so funny

[keen vapor]

@umbral crown watch out

[oak gale]

meanwhile the guy in my rookie arena
i just copied the same team as him and he loses
even though he is like 15+ levels above me
kept doing that until he got bored 💀

he beats me with a team , i copy that team
he tries again , he loses
he has to come up with another team to counter his own team
just for me to copy it again-
3 other times and my man gave up

[lunar pawn]

I would mirror people's defenses, but they're so bad it's not worth it lol

[lone sequoia]

almost 18 months with the same rookie def and sp def teams

[clear vessel]

https://tenor.com/view/not-me-the-devil-jason-sudeikis-saturday-night-live-wasnt-me-gif-23602956

[lone sequoia]

i changed some units in sp, but they have the same synergy, so it is the same team with better units

[oak gale]

had to change it bc that guy tkat spent 25 tokens out of spite 💀

[oak gale]

the devil himself-

[lone sequoia]

the current pvp "meta" or for the future is to get some good teams, fix speed, OL and boost the cp as high as possible

[keen vapor]

I just want to annoy big whale what's so wrong about that

[lunar pawn]

the pvp meta is telling yourself you're better at the game after spending 1k+ gems per season to keep your rank

[oak gale]

i need to eventually change my arena teams , but rail did say that considering the things i have this is the best i have
and for some reason i need to get 26% cs on helm and build bay and rosanna
he did also mention another oman but i forgot , maybe laplauce idk

[upper grove]

I'm top/defending. I'm getting cooked right? Noah has no CS while noise does so Noah gets stunned?

[lunar pawn]

you don't need any CS on helm, it's already a 2RL team

[oak gale]

i did not miss a single day ever since i started 💀 and somehow im the most person behind in levels and gacha luck amongst the top 15 i think

[oak gale]

could help later on , since i need to eventually change these teams
otherwise my rolls will be just going on quency since shes my campaign carry

[spiral onyx]

Did someone actually 1:1 copy my teams lol

[lunar pawn]

did they

[lone sequoia]

yeah, people can buy core dust boxes, and the growth speed for every account can be different depedning in how fast people push campaign (higher outpost lv) i fell* behing a bit after the 92 to 102 core dust jump with the last chapters but i min-maxed all my boxes since the game launch in my main account, i can get back fast.... but my sync cap is low because my bad luck with pulls, so no reason to push lvls

[lunar pawn]

[lone sequoia]

i have seen multiple people in our league, you can check, some are still in

[spiral onyx]

Lmao

If they get far with that team

[lone sequoia]

but, they have way less cp in some critical units and probably they don't have the speed

[spiral onyx]

That just means my teams still work even with incomplete investments

[lunar pawn]

eh I feel CS is just to help boost teams to 2.5RL, could help in certain cases...malding for super high CS lines would be to make your 2RL teams slightly faster to be spared of certain gimmicks (like b2 not being stunned by siren)

[spiral onyx]

And I can keep winning by proxy

[shell hazel]

did you run diff teams this time Keripo?

[lone sequoia]

some teams have good synergy, others need the speed for some match ups, i really like the RH+RL combo

that is something i still use in some of my teams

[spiral onyx]

No, I was lazy and didn't change anything lol

Same teams, same ordering lol

Which apparently the above person copied as well

[shell hazel]

they can copy your teams but not the investments, sure they'll still work but will not be as good

[lunar pawn]

I thought you'd quit after becoming champion

[summer copper]

you can't quit CA unless you quit SA

[spiral onyx]

That's what I thought at first, but at a second look it's not that bad

3RL Scarlet Blanc Jackal

[shell hazel]

it's probably the odd 3RL instead of 2.5RL without CS

[spiral onyx]

3RL SAnis Biscuit Moran

Not ideal but not bad either for low investments