pvp-arena

[steep oak]

I know very little about PvP, sorry.

[keen vapor]

I like variety

Well, Noah RH might be slow enough.... Need to double check speed

[steep oak]

Alright, so from left to right, Noah first slot, then Bisc, then Emilia, then RH then Jackal last?

[steep oak]

Understood.

[keen vapor]

Yeah, he is slow enough (3RL)

Let me think on a slow 5th unit

[keen vapor]

Have Laplace treasure?

[steep oak]

Sure do

[keen vapor]

Ok, use her as last unit

[steep oak]

No Jackal?

[keen vapor]

No, too fast (by .5RL, so not really too fast, Emilia can deal with half RL speed diff)

Also, I want to see if Laplace kills enemy Biscuit

[steep oak]

Let me check the CP difference. Will a further CP difference hurt?

[shut seal]

THANKS. Fixed the problem.

[steep oak]

Can you simulate battles in PvP?

[atomic wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/jack-sparrow-pirates-of-the-caribbean-johnny-depp-salute-respect-gif-6427842759738305441

my br*cket is cooked

[keen vapor]

I can calculate speed teams on https://nikke-deck.web.app/

From there is battle experience on what unit does what

[keen vapor]

it can't be

[atomic wolf]

not really i havent checked so idk

i just finished deltarune so i'm quite mad

therefore the best thing i can do right now is hop right into nikke and see what bracket did i get for CA

[pseudo mason]

I've reached a point where I'm not comfortable attacking people with 20k less power just because I feel like they have so much better pvp units. I'm not really that much into pvp but I'd like to at least have the best composition that I can. I've read the stuff on prydwen but I don't really have enough diversity to counter most meta units. I just don't want to lose or get steamrolled if I don't have to. My brain is scrambled at this point.

[steep oak]

Even with the CP difference, you think I can still win?

[keen vapor]

That diff is fine (worry about when diff is higher than 15.4%)

[wicked horizon]

Okay, I'mma try to not lose a 3rd time.
How do I beat this team?

[keen vapor]

Same answer as ab- wait, Alice is slow..... Scar Blanc?

Or Trina RH if you're confident on Scarlet damage

[wicked horizon]

Scaret team is busy I'm afraid.
I mean, at least if I move that team, I risk losing the other fight. I know Scarlet can beat her matchup.

[keen vapor]

And 2 RL Cindy doesn't works...

[steep oak]

4 7 7 Emilia fine?

[keen vapor]

How close to one tap is Cindy? Might only need Noise to do the job@wicked horizon

[keen vapor]

Usually

Until no longer the case

[steep oak]

Also, what cube for her?

[keen vapor]

I use bastion but

RH should die easily and with that a lot of enemy firepower

[wicked horizon]

See, the two times I lost...
First time I thought the enemy was 4 RL, but apparently they were 3 RL instead because idk, Alice pierce or some stuff, and so Cinderella got blocked, even at 2 RL.
The second time I went with SAnis instead, but Alice killed Noah as soon as the teamwide invuln. was over. For some reason Biscuit didn't trigger her second round of 5s invuln.

[keen vapor]

ALICE PIERCE?

[wicked horizon]

I see no other way for that team to become 3 RL.

Maybe RL targeted Biscuit and hit more people, idk.

Wish I had recording.

Here's the other team, but Noah can't block it, because Siren.

[keen vapor]

hmmmmm

[steep oak]

It worked! Thank you, sir!

[keen vapor]

I suppose you don't have invested Moran

[wicked horizon]

Nope

[keen vapor]

[wicked horizon]

What if I used Siren. 🤔

[crystal flicker]

That just auto win

[keen vapor]

Cool cuz we won't use her anyways

[keen vapor]

oh c'mon, that's the boring route

[wicked horizon]

Stun Noah, then I should have enough time to kill them while Noah is invulnerable.
Slows me to 3RL, but that's fine.

[keen vapor]

People brute forcing defs with Siren is so lame

[wicked horizon]

Noah finally has a counter.

[crystal flicker]

Not my Noah

[keen vapor]

[wicked horizon]

I've seen one such Noah.
Annoying af.

[keen vapor]

GHOST

[crystal flicker]

Another PvP MA

[wicked horizon]

So, yes to replacing Rumani with Siren?

[crystal flicker]

Whos your DPS

[wicked horizon]

Cinderella?

[keen vapor]

Yeh I don't care anymore

[tropic summit]

no you

[wicked horizon]

This is an attacking team, if you missed the conversation.

[atomic wolf]

amazing

see you next CA season

[wicked horizon]

Watch me still fail this somehow.

[crystal flicker]

Alice Target P5

[keen vapor]

On attack

[wicked horizon]

I won.

[keen vapor]

[wicked horizon]

It's okay, they'll kick me back into Diamond before I wake up.

[keen vapor]

Eve better be immune to stun

[tropic summit]

👨‍🦼‍➡️ still alive @lunar dirge?

[tropic summit]

she just needs a good costume

doesn't even need a kit

[wise horizon]

Don’t have any fights left but when it resets, I will go with this. @keen vapor

[oak rivet]

@crystal flicker your comp isn't working

[fast jetty]

how do i beat this team? Noise Jackal SAnis Noah Biscuit

or jus my biscuit stat not as good 💀 . lost at +10% CP

[crystal flicker]

Defense? that means they understand PvP (Or overinvest)

[crystal flicker]

2RL Scarlet Jackal
2RL HelmT
Rosanna

[keen vapor]

Good

[wise horizon]

3RL vs 3.5RL(me)

[thin perch]

What is the most effective way to beat this team comp?

If they are using a siren on defense should I move Noah?

[midnight marsh]

oh, JP community was talking about how the CA servers have been shuffled a lot (a lot of different bracket champions all got shuffled in together lol some champions have been reshuffled to face really weak competition). Have you guys been noticing anything on Global / NA or are you facing the same people?

[coarse solstice]

These 2 at least...

Teddy bear close 3rd lol

[thin perch]

What’s that helm survival comp I see people use in rookie arena?

[raven plover]

I still meet a lot of people from previous bracket pre shuffle. SEA

[signal hull]

The only thing that happened in my bracket is that one guy who joined us around new year and was way too OP for us (even tho we eventually caught up) got switched wherever the f away again. I hope he never comes back. Global.

[midnight marsh]

😂

[umbral belfry]

wait how'd you get placed in a completely different bracket from the rest of us

the game screwed you big time 😭

[midnight marsh]

I noticed my bracket is different too. I found Rosy and Rail but a lot of old T16/T8 are missing and I’m seeing a lot more higher synch / older accounts too

Edit: hmmm on further review there are also a lot of younger accounts too mixed in

[coarse solstice]

Wtf? That's weird as hell

[umbral belfry]

Screwed

[coarse solstice]

Actual BS..... Shouldn't be jumping brackets....

[umbral belfry]

the bots took his place

[midnight marsh]

😭

[keen vapor]

3.5? Huh?

[keen vapor]

Is scissors

You use rock to defeat it

[keen vapor]

I got easy bracket before I was with 6 whales 💀

[keen vapor]

No idea

[keen vapor]

I say easy but Abathur can beat me no matter what

He must be onto something

Asian #pvp-arena where asks how to beat me

[keen vapor]

As for this.... Moran Helm Bay is good option....

[wild patio]

chat can I win this with 40 lvl cp diff?

[umbral belfry]

you are so cp gapped

[midnight marsh]

Oof, yeah I randomly clicked on a CA 4person group and immediately found a last season Top 4 that I’ve never seen before and dozens of synchro levels above what I’m used to seeing

[onyx scaffold]

Why do ppl still make 3 teams when attacking?

45 level lower and u still put Anis in the team

[midnight marsh]

Maybe screenshot just to show what teams he has in general

[onyx scaffold]

Focus on 2 teams. Can put some pve units in if high investment

[umbral belfry]

I'm curious about that too

makes team building sm easier just focusing on 2 teams you know can win

[onyx scaffold]

It is possible to win. HOWEVER, u will likely have no hope when the guy reaches 501.
Just give up now

[wise horizon]

Yeah calculated at 3.5RL for Emilia, Blanc, RH, crown, jackal

[keen vapor]

Just put a quantum cube on jackal....

[wise horizon]

Already has one 🙂 oh wait, on the calculator, I didn’t factor that in

[clear folio]

huh star missing?!? is he in older or newer brax?

[fast jetty]

I dont have scarlet; maybe I should level up rosanna

[umbral belfry]

i dunno where he is, but it isn't with us 😭

[clear folio]

sus!

[umbral belfry]

i never bothered looking thru our bracket to see if anyone else is missing

but if he's gone, fair to assume some others are too

[clear folio]

i shud be in new brax i started siren banner 🤔

[umbral belfry]

Truly rng arena

[clear folio]

frfgggg still using 2 sg teams 3 seasons in a row so yeah we still grouped lol

[lunar pawn]

being super generous with the burst gen here but how did this team manage to use blanc b2 against my 2RL scar jackal

guess I shouldn't have used quick battle, that always calculates things a little off

[clear folio]

ur saying 2rl scar loss to blanc?

[keen vapor]

Show record

[keen vapor]

That always happens to me

[clear folio]

i mean goood, my blanc team is the most invested 🤣

[lunar pawn]

sec

[keen vapor]

2.5 Blanc team can win against anything

[lunar pawn]

2.5 rl blanc will lose vs 2rl scarlet, usually

this should be an easy w, usually

[clear folio]

now i wanna see vid!

really like my cook this season, 2 rl x1, 2.5 x3 + SG and the new one is blanc team so i really wanna see how it goes

[umbral belfry]

ace's time to shine

[clear folio]

jinx!!!

[umbral belfry]

i'm for CA ever since i won one

so now it's your turn

[clear folio]

my T1 and T5 is hard countered

guess by who??

[umbral belfry]

is it me..

[clear folio]

cup as usual lol

[umbral belfry]

third's time the charm as they say

lock in

[clear folio]

he put his bay, matched against my scar. and then his t5 hard counters my t5 lol

[umbral belfry]

unfortunate

[clear folio]

so you and ura need to do the work xDDD

[umbral belfry]

lemme sleep and watch everyone else

[lunar pawn]

what's a good app/program to cut vids with?

recently installed windows 11 and daddy gates wants to shove everything with a price tag on me

[clear folio]

play vid on pc, record with your phone

[midnight marsh]

Record with OBS. Avidemux for the simplest cutting or DaVinciResolve for full editor

[clear folio]

@umbral belfry last season you knew who u were fighting, is there a guaranteed grouping after top 64,32,etc? like grp1 winner fights group 32 or something?

[umbral belfry]

you basically figure it out by looking at the first 8 groups (which will then make their own group starting from T64) and you repeat the process

what group are you in rn? i can see who you'll fight next

[clear folio]

30!

[umbral belfry]

okie one sec

oh the game crashed for me just now hang on

[umbral crown]

Always different people

[clear folio]

is it 24 to 32?

[umbral belfry]

• group 1 (all starting from top 64) : winners from league group 1-8
• group 2 (all starting from top 64) : winners from league group 9-16
• group 3 (all starting from top 64) : winners from league group 17-24
• group 4 (all starting from top 64) : winners from league group 25-32
• group 5 (all starting from top 64) : winners from league group 33-40
• group 6 (all starting from top 64) : winners from league group 41-48
• group 7 (all starting from top 64) : winners from league group 49-56
• group 8 (all starting from top 64) : winners from league group 57-64

bc you're in group 30, you'll be facing whoever wins in group 29

and the same is for top 16 placing, whoever wins in their starting league 64 group (e.g group 1 vs group 2, group 3 vs group 4; etc)

[clear folio]

🤯 i got it thnx!

[umbral belfry]

[raven plover]

thank you

[onyx scaffold]

take note

[umbral belfry]

i can confirm with good confidence this is basically how it goes due to tracking past 3 CAs opponents

and it all came out exactly as assumed via the tracking

[raven plover]

I will copy paste if someone asking

[clear folio]

howd d hell u even noticed i wasnt paying attention

[umbral belfry]

i studied the art

[clear folio]

truly a champion 🙇‍♂️

[onyx scaffold]

i dont do that cuz i dont get in top 64

[crystal flicker]

Rosa is high investment, but she does counter Jackal comp

[clear folio]

at least ur eve will be a God with all those rocks

[verbal oasis]

Guys help me currently I'm using this 2 set up for sp arena defense:

• First:
  1.Blanc-Scarlet BS-Emilia-Siren-Centi
  2.Noise-Noah-Cindy-HelmT-Rumani
  3.Scarlet-Rap-Trina-Laplace-Jackal
• Second:
  1.Noise-Blanc-Cindy-Helm-Jackal
  2.Noah-Biscuit-ScarBS-Rap-Rumani
  3.Scar-Trina-RH-Centi-Emilia
  These 2 sets up used to work fine but recently it not that effective i want some adjustments tks a lot

[lunar pawn]

Where in OBS can you edit a vid?

[wet crystal]

@umbral belfry @jagged mesa Guys... I think I'm now entering preliminary hell lol g21

I don't think I'm getting out of this

[umbral belfry]

no folian

what group are you in?

wait you mean like league or top 64?

[wet crystal]

G21, R3,R4,R5 don't look good

thnx rng

[umbral belfry]

lemme go take a peek

[midnight marsh]

Mmm I mean record footage with OBS and then edit with Avidemux or DaVinci Resolve

[umbral belfry]

@wet crystal ofc you get matched with my 1st rookie bully

https://tenor.com/view/yugioh-should-been-gif-23901254

[wet crystal]

wait, the c7 siren

[umbral belfry]

folian why did you put scar pos1

pls say you're under 30 ammo

[wet crystal]

cuz I think aria is going to t64 for this, cuz she's not built

I was HOPING scar wouldnt be matched with a siren lol and she can get the atk buffs safely

[jagged mesa]

i saw u have a chance to avenge our friend hime

as for me... im in a full bot lobby

[umbral belfry]

YOUR SIREN AND SCAR WOULD BE LIINKEEEDD

that move might've doomed you lemme keep checking

[jagged mesa]

im chilling on 4sh but now ash is entering full war mode

[wet crystal]

ehhhh, but being basically not so built, she wouldn't have the oomph to nuke without the atk buffs no?

[jagged mesa]

bigd is hitting me 5x a day and we're both dragging eachother down to like 7th, even after i went easy on him when he started losing

[wet crystal]

not that I know, just got her

[jagged mesa]

so now it's no mercy

[wet crystal]

there's no passing c3 anymore

[jagged mesa]

i mean on my other account, im in full war mode in both brackets

[umbral belfry]

r3: L W (coooouuuld win 1st one but leans a L)
r4: L W
r5 (hey that team looks familar ): W W

next time put your siren on pos1

the good news is that you'll beat my prior rookie bully

[jagged mesa]

he started losing and stopped attacking me for a bit, so i felt bad and i actually stopped attack him

as soon as he starts winning again he's attacking me 5x even when im not 1st

[wet crystal]

next time she'll be 4 OL 10/10/10 SR15

[jagged mesa]

now i see how it is so i have to 5x them every day

[umbral belfry]

huge

[jagged mesa]

we literally just dragging each other down

nobody else in the bracket even wins, its just us cutting each other down

[wet crystal]

Is bigD testing comps?

[jagged mesa]

no thats the person that was 5xing me every single day until i started winning

[wet crystal]

what server is that 10710?

[umbral belfry]

@wet crystal wait a second

[wet crystal]

wao

[umbral belfry]

what are her skill levels

[wet crystal]

4/7/7

[umbral belfry]

[wet crystal]

yup

that's why R4 and R5 are my only chance, really only R5

[umbral belfry]

i'm not sure if 7 will be enough to jump to 2 rl. maybe?

[vapid lake]

7/10/10 if you actually want her to be able to kill enemies it's all-in or don't bother

[umbral belfry]

you see what happens when you lean pve

[jagged mesa]

wait ur gonna 10/10/10 scarlet og? ur crazy lolol

[wet crystal]

but I just got my girl, drunk scar

[umbral belfry]

That team has never let me down yet. surely it clutches up for you

[umbral belfry]

im crazy

[jagged mesa]

mine is still 4/4/4 because its good enough to beat everyone else and even if it were 20/20/20 im not beating you or folian

EFFICIENT

[keen vapor]

[wet crystal]

alright, I'll see tomorrow, I'll attempt nihil ch22 for 20 mins then hsr

[onyx scaffold]

that is just excuse

[umbral belfry]

booooo nihil booo

[jagged mesa]

im like 50 synchros behind now 😭

[umbral belfry]

i haven't even touched mw knowing i'll just mald

i dare not look

at least i finished my helm stuff today

[jagged mesa]

i need to pull crown/cindy/ein on ASH asap so i stop falling behind

[umbral belfry]

@wet crystal wait why are you stressing over aria? 😭 that should be a win

lemme double check

...

[jagged mesa]

you know how i mentioned i have that bugged alt with the marian avatar/banner that i've been messing around on for like... 1.5 months?

[wet crystal]

cuz r3 and r4 are likely out, and I wasn't super sure of r5

[umbral belfry]

folian what is this

i thought this was 3 rl

[wet crystal]

I told you, I had no choice but to make a 4rl

[jagged mesa]

that one's already a couple stages from mc, while 4sh is at gluttony, while ash is still at mc

[wet crystal]

it's a 4rl vs 3.5 rl

[umbral belfry]

dammit boy

[wet crystal]

tho another issue there is they're likely attacker, so they'll get sugar wh's prob gonna get indom and I get screwed mebe

[umbral belfry]

i fear that rapu would most likely get indom

no doll

[wet crystal]

my rapu hasn't gotten indom yet, this'd be the first if that's so lol

[umbral belfry]

wait please tell me you put a quantum cube on your rumani

[wet crystal]

yes

[umbral belfry]

phew. otherwise it would've been 2.5

[jagged mesa]

are you analyzing folian vs nalfen

[umbral belfry]

no, him and aria

he should win over nalfen

[jagged mesa]

o

[umbral belfry]

@wet crystal T1: (if you're defending and his SGs attack blanc this may buy you some time) i don't remember how strong non-treasured drake burst is (and doesn't look invested at all) so Leaning L due to speed but a W is possible
T2: W
T3: Leaning L but if rng saves you rare possible W
T4: L (next time put linked siren pos1 )
T5: W (helm nukes sbs and xmaid will be blocked by bay)

good luck soldier

[jagged mesa]

representing our bracket

god speed

[umbral belfry]

now it's up to you guys

[jagged mesa]

btw, it's the chinese fella not dkaze in CA

[umbral belfry]

poor dkaze 😭

[jagged mesa]

finally i see a 4th from our bracket, not sure why i was never able to find it before?

[wet crystal]

what, got my gambas alrdy

[umbral belfry]

job's not finished until you win CA

[jagged mesa]

my only goal is to get silver betting border this time

i NEED it to complement my cindy pfp

[umbral belfry]

lock in 🗣️

[jagged mesa]

i try

im just always wrong

[onyx scaffold]

my goal is to win 36h credits this time. i need to level up

[umbral belfry]

i have no more goals so

winning more than once doesn't really interest me, and i'd rather see someone else win

[onyx scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/me-when-i-lie-gif-27390710

[jagged mesa]

but then you'll be in that upper bracket of winners

[umbral belfry]

I;M NOT LYING HELP KJDXHCVKJH

i mean yeah sure it'd be cool if i won again, but it's just added effects on a frame i already own

[jagged mesa]

wait dont multiple-time winners get extra gem notches on their frame?

thats yuge

[umbral belfry]

don't care about that 😭

[jagged mesa]

its like ufc belts

+1 ruby per title defense

[umbral belfry]

one added sparkly

[wet crystal]

I need battle data, they should add battle data with the credit caches

[umbral belfry]

this is the price to pay for exchanging battle data

[jagged mesa]

i literally exchange all extra BD for cd

i dont know what synchro that's gonna catch up to me by, but thats what im doing

[umbral belfry]

you're gonna regret this come higher syncs 😭

[jagged mesa]

at like what though, synch 450 in 2 years? ILL BE OK

[wet crystal]

So, I never, cuz it's not worth it

[jagged mesa]

i cannot see past 20 minutes into the future anyways

last time folian pulled scarlet when i was manifesting my noah pull, i crash-out pulled standard banner with gems

[umbral belfry]

noah during collab pulls i can sense it

[jagged mesa]

totally

i can totally sense it too

[wet crystal]

what if, mlb collab but 0 noah, or opposite, noah but no collab noah's around the corner

[umbral belfry]

mlb pvp unit

[jagged mesa]

my eva collab pulls were awful so i can literally FEEL the stellar blade collab units dropping like candy for me

manifesting a 4x gold multi

and then i get spooked by noah for sure 100%

and i get rouge from my luck-resetting friendship pulls

and then s. anis comes back afterwards just because

[wet crystal]

I'll have 400 saved by then, and inside is isabel

[jagged mesa]

pilgrims cant be from friendship pulls

[wet crystal]

well snap, I'll have 80 standards by collab, and either isabel or mlb for K and Arcana, hope

[umbral belfry]

i'll happily take a spook personally

[jagged mesa]

dang i can never save more than 10 standard tickets at a time

if i get noah/rouge though, i can safely start saving

[umbral belfry]

mlb for K

[jagged mesa]

i actually pulled quite a bit for arcana but no luck

i really wanted that blue-haired goofball

[umbral belfry]

unfortunate

i likely won't ever use her for pve but she's cute and that's what matters

[wet crystal]

K is cute and that's what matters

[umbral belfry]

understandable 🤝

won't catch me mlbing arcana though 😭

maybe if collab wasn't close

[onyx scaffold]

save is for the weak

[umbral belfry]

[wet crystal]

my rng is weak, thus I save

[umbral belfry]

wait but you're saving up 57 rocks 😭

[jagged mesa]

i was gonna say that

[wet crystal]

My reality marble holds many tickets

[umbral belfry]

[jagged mesa]

i boost my overall pull morale by pulling on 3 accounts

dont judge

GOLD GOLD GOLD

[onyx scaffold]

that is not saving. that is simply... i have no goal

[umbral belfry]

[wet crystal]

hoarding

clash of clans minigame in nikke now, I'm taking those rocks

[umbral belfry]

[jagged mesa]

wait are abnormals max bond 30 or 40

[onyx scaffold]

10

[jagged mesa]

oh really

[umbral belfry]

that's it?

even mlb?

[onyx scaffold]

No but who tf gets dupes

[umbral belfry]

[jagged mesa]

who tf wouldnt want abnormal mlb screens

[keen vapor]

People here will MLB Emilia

[umbral belfry]

imagine having emi

[jagged mesa]

imagine having s. anis

oh wait, i wont have to because she's 110% coming back this summer

im gonna ping all detractors when she does come back

[umbral belfry]

do we know that for certain though

[jagged mesa]

hime, its called manifesting

[keen vapor]

He doesn't knows....

[jagged mesa]

im pinging u first when she does come back

[onyx scaffold]

Ok

[umbral belfry]

was S.Anis the summer servant last summer? i didn't play back then

[midnight marsh]

It’s 30

[onyx scaffold]

Max bond is 30.
I whaled on Misato dupes

[umbral belfry]

i said servant...my fgo brain help

[jagged mesa]

thats like literally 500 co-ops worth of abnormal friendship tickets

[umbral belfry]

you used up all your abnormal tix?

[keen vapor]

It's called copium

[jagged mesa]

WE'LL SEE ABOUT THAT

[onyx scaffold]

Save is for the weak

[jagged mesa]

summer 2025, 6 summer banners LET'S GO

isnt re:zero popping off rn too

RE:ZERO COLLAB #2 COMING SOON TOO, TIME FOR EMI TO COME HOME

[umbral belfry]

gonna test something real quick

[keen vapor]

There's literally no space for her

[keen vapor]

No

[onyx scaffold]

The probability of SB collab being meta pvp is higher than the probability of RZ rerun

[jagged mesa]

be gentle pls

[keen vapor]

So you're weak...

[onyx scaffold]

?

[umbral belfry]

interesting cindy got her burst off but scar nuked

[jagged mesa]

are you calling anis fat

[umbral belfry]

looks like this could be rng

[jagged mesa]

wait what who the heck did cindy hit then

[umbral belfry]

looks like anis

[jagged mesa]

i mean cindy burst is slow as heck anyways so

[keen vapor]

Rocks

[onyx scaffold]

If u were talking about my rocks

[keen vapor]

Your name says your goal

[onyx scaffold]

?

[keen vapor]

Not even Neon fits

[onyx scaffold]

That is just an excuse. Not a goal

[keen vapor]

For Eve

[keen vapor]

You're saving

[onyx scaffold]

I mean to say... I have nothing i want to spend rocks on now

[jagged mesa]

i actually recorded my poke attempt against folian, and i already knew i was going up against his tanky comp while also at a deficit but it almost looked to me like my cindy burst ghosted

[onyx scaffold]

I wanted to spend rock on Jackal. I did.

Remember I had 62 rocks?

If I were saving, explain why I spent rocks

[umbral belfry]

what team did you vs cindy with?

[keen vapor]

Admit it

[onyx scaffold]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1099302246648401990.gif?v=1

[umbral belfry]

ah

bay will eat up cindy's nuke so i'm not surprised there

granted bay will most likely die afterwards

[jagged mesa]

yeah i didnt really expect to win, but i was hoping to understand how exactly cindy burst works

[jagged mesa]

well, about that...

[umbral belfry]

was it more than 15.4% deficit?

[jagged mesa]

yeah it was

[umbral belfry]

[onyx scaffold]

Bro

[umbral belfry]

you didn't poke him, you just gave him a little tickle 😭

[onyx scaffold]

Cn pvp is more fun

[umbral belfry]

wish we could have those frames they have

[keen vapor]

Hell

[jagged mesa]

end of fight hp

but yeah idk if anybody understands how cindy burst works fully

the damage application timing, the targeting, etc.

[umbral belfry]

the targeting is random/rng, no?

[jagged mesa]

someone suggested 15234 earlier

but i mean like, even if its random/rng i have several questions

1. is the damage application sequential in nature or only sequential as a visual effect

[keen vapor]

Yeh

[umbral belfry]

when the world needed railtracer most, he vanished

[jagged mesa]

2. if there are 5 targets for example, and p1 dies from a single hit, will a second hit get allocated to that dead unit? kuwon said no

3. if then, p1-p4 all die in a single hit. does that mean p5 receives 6 hits?

4. if cindy dies during burst like me vs folian just now, is damage application ghsoted because it's delayed from sequential application, if it even IS like that? in reference to my 1. question

like i get that's a tanky comp and im cp gapped, but did cindy really do that little damage to that comp

too much i dont know

[umbral belfry]

idk about the other questions, but the combination of moran's damage reduc, bay damage reduc, and 15.4% deficit will do that yeah

even if there wasn't a deficit, you would've most likely lost that due to moran + bay

[jagged mesa]

most likely yeah

[umbral belfry]

to counter that you would need a multi hit burst like rh/alice. ein maybe not sure. or just sbs

[jagged mesa]

this is my just barely sufficient to hold c3 comfortably team

[umbral belfry]

bc bay can do nothing against those

[jagged mesa]

but what that means is, if i dont need to spend attempts to reclaim c3, that means i can poke and test more

[umbral belfry]

so as long as you're cozy in c3

[keen vapor]

@worthy knoll

[jagged mesa]

yeah idk im trying to go frame by frame but i really cant discern how it works

how do people even test for this stuff

it looks to me like cindy burst damage application gets cut short

implying that it is actually sequential damage application and not just visual

actually im silly i can just test that in shooting range

ill do that next time i log in

[quick lake]

2. subsequent hits still get allocated to dead units
3. If 5 projectiles are launched to P1, and the 1st projectile kills P1, the remaining projectiles 2 to 5 hit the dead/empty slot. (no burst gen too)
4. Nuke's Dmg will still go through once proc-ed. Doesnt matter if unit die. i.e. if Cindy die mid-burst, her burst will still carry on as per usual

[jagged mesa]

oh? lets see

wait just to be clear, im talking about cindy burst

[quick lake]

yep cindy

[jagged mesa]

is cindy burst considered a projectile?

[quick lake]

nope, its not. its a burst

[swift mango]

Scarlet+Blanc+RH+Centi/Emi+Jackal. Eat the team 1 for breakfast. Okay maybe not. Sorry. They have biscuit. You could mirror and replace biscuit with Mana or Quiry. Or if you have ReiT high investment, use her instead of Scar to ensure, rapu dies.

Their team 2, you just need to block both side with Defender, then biscuit p3-4. Do your indom on ASS or Emi. Preferably ass.

[quick lake]

1. Dmg application is sequential (but also random) for cindy's nuke at least

[jagged mesa]

so basically cindy burst is full on 100% rng, where p1 could theoretically get allocated all 10 hits, dead or alive

and it is in fact sequential, but you're saying that has no implications outside of one team dying faster than the other, because whether cindy survives or not doesn't affect the remaining sequential hits at time of death

[quick lake]

Not really. There are 2 waves of 5 hits. The first 5 hits will be distributed evenly but randomly across the 5 units. Wave 2 sequence follows wave 1 sequence

[jagged mesa]

oh is that how it works?

wait how can the 5 hits be both distributed evenly and also randomly

[quick lake]

Cindy dying earlier or later doesnt affect her burst once it is proc-ed

Like the hits can be P4 then P1, then 3,2,5
or 1,2,3,4,5
or 5,2,4,3,1

The visual numbers u see when Cindy procs her nuke is a good reference

[jagged mesa]

okay so even distribution but random order

[quick lake]

If you slow down the burst, u can see that dmg to each nikke is done 1 by 1

[jagged mesa]

and the 10 targets are 2 waves of 5

[quick lake]

yepp

Cindy in general has a lot of quirks in pvp

[jagged mesa]

the only one i have recorded is above, against bay

so i cannot, for the life of me, tell wtf is going on

it straight up looked like the sequential hits got cut short, which probably did happen but moreso because the match already ended

idk i have no idea

[quick lake]

Two things:

1. When team dies, the battle and effects stop (i think)
2. The reason why u see the dmg numbers being so small is because of Moran + Bay combo which indeed blocks Cindy's nuke

[swift mango]

Kinda normal considering Cindy team has zero protection and her nuke blocked.

[quick lake]

Its been tested that Moran/Noise + Bay can block Cindy nuke quite consistently

i.e. u recieve puny/small dmg from Cindy

[jagged mesa]

i agree for point 1, but i expected to see some movement in hp to reflect that a hit has been registered

im at a cp deficit anyways so yeah, i know i tickle that comp

i was more interested in seeing hit registration

[quick lake]

oh then dmg will be even less. Bay + Moran/Noise really reduces dmg a lot

[jagged mesa]

im also curious about cindy burst timings

its been suggested to me earlier that 2rl cindy might not even make it past 3rl noah

or something to that effect

[quick lake]

If u want the nitty gritty, Cindy's nuke actually snapshots onto Bay's cover. So over 92% of dmg is tanked by the Bay's cover.
Bay's s1/2 causes the rest of units to take ~1% dmg which is further reduced by Moran/Bay

so that's why dmg recieved is puny

[jagged mesa]

aw yeah i see it

[quick lake]

yes, Cindy get's blocked by 3RL Noah

[jagged mesa]

thats wild

stupid cindy gets owned by snapshot against bay cover, but wont snapshot favourably against noah

[quick lake]

Maybe half a wave gets blocked by Noah possibly

[crystal flicker]

What about Cindy mirror but one use Noise and the other use Biscuit?

[quick lake]

Idk RNG possibly. I guess Noise wins

[jagged mesa]

someone else in this channel previously observed cindy mirrors trading wins due to rng

like different result each run

[crystal flicker]

Both has Noah so Cindy burst is irrelevant

[quick lake]

I think Cindy mirror teams can work. Need to be slower cindy, but not as consistent imo

2RL Cindy blocked by 3RL Noah

[crystal flicker]

So Biscuit win

[jagged mesa]

At what point does Cindy burst slip by 3rl noah

Like what CS

Can a 1.8rl team slip by

[quick lake]

Idk

[swift mango]

If she had enough dmg to kill Noah or their dps in 1 hit

[quick lake]

this test might not be accurate too

[keen vapor]

Cool

[swift mango]

Actually their team looks faster than 3rl to me.

[quick lake]

Possibly. I have cs% on my units too so evens out ig

[swift mango]

You need CS on all your units aside from cindy to be faster by the slowest one. While they only need CS on two.

They also fire 3 shot. You fire 2. So they have more reduction than you. It's not 1rl difference.

[swift mango]

Plus this happened... Your team got bamboozled hard.... Rapunzel stun and revived Noah...

Your Cindy is still faster than their Rapunzel so at least it's 0.8 RL difference or above.

[swift mango]

Okay you still won so I derped.

Nvm me.

[quick lake]

[swift mango]

@strong hull

https://comick.io/comic/conquering-the-academy-with-just-a-sashimi-knife

It is inferior to "The extra's academy survival guide" but similar and readable...

[atomic wolf]

CA server was reshuffled following SP Arena

[swift mango]

It's hard for SEA to reshuffle because only 4 bracket... maybe the 2 day 1 bracket could be shuffled... but the other 2 can't... unless they make more brackets....

[atomic wolf]

its more like they are unwilling to put more people in a bracket and just base the actual bracket like its SP Arena bracket so you get a lots of bots instead of humans

[swift mango]

There is rarely bots in SEA because they compressed it into 4 bracket.

there is just less new players SpA that c1-4 level not passing 200 or not creating teams and needed to be replaced with bot.

I don't know why they even bother creating many server for global it's all the same timeline in the end.

all bracket reset at the same timing

all update given out at same timing.

[umbral belfry]

Weird, I swear it seems like our (your old) bracket barely changed at all

if anything we got more bots 😭

[atomic wolf]

amazing

as if they are actively bricking my account

[umbral belfry]

[swift mango]

reward code only apply to one account. So not like creating multiple account on one gmail help with anything

I was lazy to input new gmail when I was rerolling and ended up accidentally in SEA lol...

if only they just make it 1 server for all I won't be making that mistake. But at least I got into a nice union thanks to that.

[umbral belfry]

i think only you, stand, oni, khiren, and that demain guy left. anyone else either i don't remember

[oblique ridge]

CA server got reshuffled?

[atomic wolf]

that is literally the worst

goddamn combination for me

[umbral belfry]

(assuming those others are also in your new bracket) if not then

[atomic wolf]

yes, now various people like hime aceross urawhat are in a different one

[umbral belfry]

that's crazy 😭

[oblique ridge]

Eh I think my CA can’t reshuffle.. it’s close to the very 1st or 2nd CA in entire NA

[atomic wolf]

my CA bracket is full of people that are literally level 500 600

[umbral belfry]

how does me, ura, cup, aceross, and basically everyone else stay but you leave into a higher commander level one 😭

[atomic wolf]

i have no idea

[umbral belfry]

i mean yeah you were on the higher side (400-ish), but you weren't the highest

[oblique ridge]

Promotion

[atomic wolf]

yeah but this is like

[umbral belfry]

that's crazy lmao

[oblique ridge]

Andersen: “You are ready for the big leagues.”

[atomic wolf]

we started playing around the same days or months whatever

it's unethical to put someone with a 8 months old account with people that is literally 2 years old

[umbral belfry]

there's like sub 160s in this bracket now 💀

[atomic wolf]

amazing

balanced game design it is

[oblique ridge]

I guess I should go look around the bracket. Easiest way for me to know if there was a real reshuffle: If I see Keripo anywhere Anyone know what group he’s in, I can check it then?

[atomic wolf]

actually let me check the bracket properly

[atomic wolf]

give me a second, i'll do it myself

[swift mango]

What if he got shuffled along side with you?

[clear folio]

lol lol

[atomic wolf]

i get top 2 ONE SEASON

[clear folio]

prolly started like before cindy banner?

[umbral belfry]

they punished you 😭

[atomic wolf]

and now i am pre-determined to lose every match from this point onwards

[atomic wolf]

i started around rouge's and that's it

[oblique ridge]

Oh? You mean it’s like a “wins” reshuffle?

[atomic wolf]

i have the exact date of my account's creation

[atomic wolf]

no I think this is actually related to SPA reshuffle

[swift mango]

You got shuffled into a bracket with higher average synch?

[clear folio]

when was rouge, i started mid nov

[atomic wolf]

yeah

[atomic wolf]

prob around same time

a month or something

[swift mango]

Prove that your account is older than Hime.

[clear folio]

nahh nov was rumani, phatom cindy

[atomic wolf]

one moment

[umbral belfry]

I started in Dec 2024 😭

[swift mango]

I mean it proved that already.

[keen vapor]

November was literally anniversary

[atomic wolf]

amazing

[clear folio]

yeah hence cindy

that means prenov got moveddd

[keen vapor]

How you become champion so fast

[oblique ridge]

Oh Keripo didn’t post his video yet.. because a fight didn’t occur yet

[umbral belfry]

maybe next time one of us will be moved

[umbral belfry]

[keen vapor]

[umbral belfry]

I used up all my good luck and rng for tbis year

[oblique ridge]

Going through all groups The hard way

[umbral belfry]

didn't he say that he was gonna play that new pvp gacha?

something restart

[umbral belfry]

[oblique ridge]

Found him (Keripo) in group 13, and saw a few other familiar faces

Lucky, only had to go through 13 groups

[oblique ridge]

Dunno, was mainly just looking for a shortcut to checking the group he’s in as it’d be best evidence of whether CA reshuffled separately from SPA or something

But I think Enriched Cindy is right

[umbral belfry]

[oblique ridge]

Moving into a different SPA = Potentially in a different CA group

[atomic wolf]

now PLEASE tell me

[worthy knoll]

???

[atomic wolf]

this is a fair and balanced bracket

[umbral belfry]

I didnt even expect for CA to have reshuffle, but i guess it makes sense considering rookie and sp

[clear folio]

wtf 500 lvl

[oblique ridge]

It takes some luck though because even if you change SPA groups, you don’t necessarily change CA groups… you’d have to be on the boundary between two CA groups for this to be possible

[umbral belfry]

Actually screwed

[oblique ridge]

So you’re either lucky or screwed

[clear folio]

3.2m cp im only 2.8 xD

[keen vapor]

You should know an answer to Cindy's burst

[atomic wolf]

unironically makes me want to kill myself

[clear folio]

rip ye u got moved to an older brax

[umbral belfry]

[clear folio]

which means higher outpost, more gear fodder, more OLs

[umbral belfry]

it makes us truly look like 🐟

[atomic wolf]

fun fact my entireb racket has no bots at all

[umbral belfry]

dude 😭

[atomic wolf]

and everyone are all whales

[clear folio]

ura has 3 bots rn

[umbral belfry]

that's not too bad

[wanton juniper]

Finally got around to looking at my bracket. I have the winner of last CA and he was also the runner up of the previous...damn.

[umbral belfry]

their overall level cp I mean

[keen vapor]

at least you tried

[clear folio]

only cup or stand high enough for that bracket

[atomic wolf]

wym not too bad thats BKF2P

[umbral belfry]

maybe stand is in your bracket too?

[atomic wolf]

he is nowhere in my bracket

i am here alone

[wanton juniper]

Lol, yup. Better luck next time.

[worthy knoll]

1. Mmh? I'm not sure what you are referring too, but it does go in a sequence, damage in a sequence too. But if you are talking about snapshots, it is kinda both. it is real time for invulnerability and indom, so as long those buffs are up, they immediately interact with Cindy remaining hits. But it somehow snap shot on Bay Burst and Moran burst. Means if Cindy bursts first, all remaining hits will be as if Bay or Moran didn't burst midway to cover block or Damage reduct it. Alternatively in terms of Bay, if Cindy burst later than Bay, assuming the cover still up when it bursts, it would assume all hits are blocked by Bay's cover even if it got destroyed midway

2. Yes it will hit dead unit

3. No

4. If Cindy die mid burst, it should still continue its remaining sequence

[umbral belfry]

where the heck did all those people go lmao

[wanton juniper]

I'll be happy placing 2nd in my bracket.

[clear folio]

almost lvl 700

[wanton juniper]

Means at least I did something right.

[umbral belfry]

doomed bracket

[atomic wolf]

yeah so i'm the only one in my bracket

stand is the brainlet whale so you dont have to worry about it

and i make sure the demian guy never reach top 4 to be qualified at all

@quartz prawn XDDDDDDDDDDDD

WHY ARE YOU IN MY BRACKET

oh wait i spot khiren now

[swift mango]

so long as they don't have emi you would be fine.

[atomic wolf]

you say as if i can win with any team i had

[umbral belfry]

just realized he's in a SAnis bracket now

[clear folio]

hes gonna be investment gapped sorry bro

[atomic wolf]

no shit

i'm disqualified right away

ok tell me which team is gonna win for example

[clear folio]

oh shit that makes it worse lol

[swift mango]

oops do you have s.anis?

[atomic wolf]

idunno, do i look like i have sanis when this account is only 8 months old?

[umbral belfry]

highkey not fair

[clear folio]

can u complain with support see what they say lol

[atomic wolf]

i mean complain with people who never reads any feedbacks?

complain with people who never actually interact with the community in EN in any way?

what for?

waste of time anyways, it is what it is

[clear folio]

for science

[atomic wolf]

if i start writing a feedback right now that feedback will have so many bad words it can get my account banned right away

[swift mango]

at least you didn't start in SEA and be a new player that has to face accounts as old as @keen vapor with xAnne in it even.

[atomic wolf]

i ain't wasting time with these people bruh

[swift mango]

[atomic wolf]

i'm just ignoring it until i get a better reshuffle

[keen vapor]

[atomic wolf]

that's all

the game has been turning me into a cripple for such a long time now and i still get through it

SPA bracket has a bunch of subhuman big spenders? still beat them

pitch me against a complete delusional schizophrenic psychopath that spends gems to get top 4 in my bracket 24/7? defeated

this is inconsequential, not for bragging

but rather I've had enough of this game being a complete horse shit ape show

[strong hull]

[wanton juniper]

Hmm, looking at the teams for everyone's T3 I have a very good chance at winning every battle. I have my Siren in a 2RL scar team and all of them can either be burst locked or Noah won't burst and they'll be nuked.

Also one has Cindy p2

[finite wedge]

what on earth am I supposed to do against this monstrosity

[wanton juniper]

So T3 fight is looking good for me

[keen vapor]

The same but with Noah and Siren on P1

[wanton juniper]

My own T3

[finite wedge]

sub trina for noah?

[keen vapor]

Yeh

[swift mango]

girl in there falls for mc to almost no good reasons. And mc stealing all the original mc good friends and girlfriends without even trying to.

[keen vapor]

Surely you have attack lines on your Scarlet

[strong hull]

Lol

[finite wedge]

[umbral belfry]

[finite wedge]

arranged like so?

[umbral belfry]

moran bay helm I pray you are not cp gapped

[keen vapor]

That's better and safer option

[clear folio]

speaking of scar, can a trina/rh buffed scar break moran/bay?

[umbral belfry]

but more likely for cp gapping

[swift mango]

MC is OP with a limitation mostly only care about himself (still save people around him). Unlike Ed who struggle to grow and save everyone in need. So much less aura.

[umbral belfry]

nope. that match is an auto loss for scar unless their helm is bricked beyond belief

the scar would have to be faster than the bay team

[clear folio]

oofff

[umbral belfry]

ironically rh bursting b3 in that scenario would be the better move

[finite wedge]

what does this whole team look like?

[umbral belfry]

examples would be moran rumani helm bay lap+/xmaid/pref non feed to get you to 2 rl. moran bay helm are the staple

but the team echo suggested works too

as long as noah isn't stunned you should win

[keen vapor]

As always you have invested your units

[umbral belfry]

[finite wedge]

maybe it's time to give Bay overloads

[umbral belfry]

let's not get too crazy

she doesn't need investment to work tbh

[clear folio]

better off with moran and 1v5

[umbral belfry]

usually people already have an invested noah scar siren jack so that's thr much easier option

[swift mango]

I don't use moran this season. gonna see if how 2rl Emi perform.

[umbral belfry]

[swift mango]

before I change back.

[finite wedge]

oh no

[clear folio]

we emiless/sanisless have no choice plus that dino costume

[finite wedge]

what have I done

[umbral belfry]

soon it will be ours

[umbral belfry]

sir

[swift mango]

for whom?

[finite wedge]

scarlet

[umbral belfry]

charge speed og scar

[swift mango]

not the best result but just lock attack and search for Crit or Ele.

[keen vapor]

We both saw today how not everyone invest their Scarlet

[umbral belfry]

maybe the ammo will be low enough to dodge siren stun now

[umbral belfry]

we did?

[keen vapor]

She even got a skin and you do this to her ?!

[keen vapor]

we saw @jagged mesa

[umbral belfry]

ngl echo, i forgot how it was

[swift mango]

it's either her or RH for my 2rl scarlet team. But RH have better chance at Nero team than Moran.

[finite wedge]

[umbral belfry]

perhaps it's for the best

[finite wedge]

do I change?

[keen vapor]

[swift mango]

My hope and dream couldn't bring me this but you did it in one try.

okay not once but good job

[umbral belfry]

I wouldn't imo. look for your other pieces

[keen vapor]

Kisama

[swift mango]

change into it... it's optimal....

[umbral belfry]

oh wait I misread

change what you rolled yeah

[finite wedge]

I do have 2 ammo lines on helmet and chest

man my scarlet is in rough shape

[umbral belfry]

I just know a siren is just waiting to stun your scar

[swift mango]

let me hope my RH buffed scarlet will kill Siren before she stun.

[keen vapor]

[keen vapor]

Mine would never

[umbral belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-plankton-alright-i-get-it-i-get-it-enough-gif-19558825

[loud sonnet]

[umbral belfry]

dw onyx, my scar would get stunned too. all the more reason why I put linked siren in p1 and scar p2

[keen vapor]

Don't worry Onyx, you can 3%

I can't

[finite wedge]

n a n i

[keen vapor]

I'm very brick and skill issued

It took me a year and a half to touch C1 in arena after all

[finite wedge]

sits in diamond 2

[keen vapor]

I don't have any tier 3 frame

[swift mango]

This guy is actually a good practice target. He got all the teams I want to test against in the right order.

Nero team vs Blanc ReiT.

2rl Emi Emi vs 4.5rl Delta.

Scar vs SG with Mana.

[finite wedge]

we gotta change that this upcoming SR

believe in the me that believes in you

[keen vapor]

Now you only need to be able to meet him...

[swift mango]

I would be satisfied even if even if I didn't make it out of league now lol

[keen vapor]

Wait, who are you in game

[swift mango]

My 3.5rl Delta had 100% win rate against 2rl Emi. So I would like to see if 4.5rl fast enough to win against Emi too.

The 2nd guy

[keen vapor]

Idk
Getting into a solo raid right after update is not fun

[swift mango]

The 2nd guy

[keen vapor]

That's not how you spell Blood

[swift mango]

Maybe in some hidden ancient language.

[lunar pawn]

is siren guaranteed to stun right before b2 of 2RL?

[keen vapor]

Blood, what element

[swift mango]

Need 11% CS on the RL that makes you enter burst. So 2rl B2 faster than siren

[swift mango]

Wut??

[keen vapor]

For raid

We both know it won't be iron

[swift mango]

Do I look like I care?

[keen vapor]

I don't see fire either

[keen vapor]

Kisama.....

[lunar pawn]

mmm, would she be faster to stun prior to b2 before anything that's not 2RL then? like 2.5RL, or even 2.3RL

[swift mango]

yes.

[keen vapor]

2.5 B1 gets stun

[swift mango]

2.3 b1 might not

[keen vapor]

How to 2.3

[lunar pawn]

then I'm dumb, should've slapped siren sooner to my atk team

[swift mango]

21% CS on everyone at least

[keen vapor]

[raven plover]

gonna 21% cs my cindy

[swift mango]

do it. 121% cindy stronk.

[worthy knoll]

My go to pic to any Siren when does she stun question

[swift mango]

well, 21% and 25% is the same thing according to CN chart.

so you asking for 26% here

[worthy knoll]

No

21-24% is the same

25% is next frame tier

[swift mango]

ah yeah, 4 black line is 24% not 25% mb.

[lunar pawn]

ay, thanks

[keen vapor]

This means Moran Biscuit will never be unstunned

[swift mango]

25% on HelmT and LapT isn't that hard.

I believe 21% could be enough for something. lemme get there first,

[swift mango]

edit your comment though, 11% CS 2 shots = 1.78rl, not 1.89rl.

[worthy knoll]

Oh right that is true

I just cba directly just subtracted 11% from 2 RL

[swift mango]

we have new survey

Do it for 300 gems

[quick lake]

1 pull yay

[worthy knoll]

There updated the image

[swift mango]

No question about collab or cA though

neither QoL

[quick lake]

CA beta is final

My goodwill in SU is at all time low

[swift mango]

Arknight actually improved their beta base system after 6 years, so we only need to wait 7 years more for CA to be out of beta.

[quick lake]

[oblique ridge]

Iron

[restive willow]

Siren stuns at 50 frames ofc

This is 22 frames after 2RL timing, and B2 activates 28 frames after filling burst. You need to shorten more than 6 frames per shot (exactly 6 doesn't work because stun takes priority over burst), so 4 frames per shot, or 10.50% cs

[quick lake]

indeed 11% cs when rounded

[restive willow]

It's technically somewhere between 10.37% and 10.50% but I don't have enough data to narrow it further

Ref (in Korean tho): https://arca.live/b/nikketgv/138193588

I wrote this

[quick lake]

cs% only works in round numbers. So its either 10% or 11% in effect

[restive willow]

That's not true. 3.3% acts differently from 3.9%

The rounding does happen but not at 0.5

[quick lake]

Both 3% and 4% are (supposedly) in the same frame bucket. So there should be no difference in frame firing

for your reference, from empirical testing

[restive willow]

I will directly challenge that data

[quick lake]

possibly maybe. I havent done 3/4% cs tests. Anecdotally, the breakpoints are right for me

[restive willow]

Supposedly 5% shortens more frames than 4%

It doesn't because 4.9% and 5.2% shorten the same number of frames

Or actually 4.32% too

[quick lake]

iirc, cs% is rounded. Thereafter, the motion is rounded to nearest frame. So there can be some rounding difference depending on what methodology u use

[restive willow]

The best fit with 100% match for testing so far was "do CS%*0.3 and if the fractional part is below 0.15 round down, else round up" and that's the number of frames shaved

E.g. 4% cs would shave 4*0.3 = 1.2, and this rounds up to 2 frames saved per shot

[quick lake]

i cant rmb exactly, but its rounded down (i think). Me no expert, just parroting testers

[restive willow]

I'd like to know what they did to get the data. As far as I see, the result I got had no exceptions so far looking at CA replays

[quick lake]

For what its worth, that sheet was tested/produced by 3 times CA champion

[restive willow]

Too empirical perhaps, or maybe recorded the game at 60fps instead of aligning it to an MG or SMG

[quick lake]

From what I know, there can be some discrepancy between theorycrafts, 60fps testing then divide by 2, and 30 fps testing

The table above was tested empirically in 30fps spa setting i think

[restive willow]

I mean, some sheets say burst activated in 15.5 frames so clearly that's something problematic

[quick lake]

yeah. not v accurate

[restive willow]

I tested with SMG shots and MG shots (after 62 frames) to counter the uncetainty

[wild patio]

Chat and @loud sonnet , help me in this matchups

[loud sonnet]

This is what i use

Wait that's a wrong one

[wild patio]

[quick lake]

T1: Could do Siren or Soda stun (assuming no CP deficit)
T2: 2RL Cindy ig. Single buffed scar kinda weak
T3: 2RL Scar

[loud sonnet]

Ever since i got cp gap i got for same t2 then 2rl blanc sbs

[wild patio]

https://tenor.com/view/smile-mortal-combat-gif-13400413460145425270

[restive willow]

1. 3RL Indom Emilia
2. 2RL Noah + Siren
3. 2RL Scarlet

if blanc is stunned in an indom team, it's not an indom team >:)

[wild patio]

I lost the 1st team, but thanks

somehow SR anis got the 10 sec invul

aight chat this is my next target, can I cook or nah?

[loud sonnet]

Copy my third team to t3

[swift mango]

You don't have enough so don't use low CP like SR Anis.

[loud sonnet]

T1 T2 not sure

[wild patio]

ima wait n see if someone attacks me on current place

[loud sonnet]

Put rumani on p5

[keen vapor]

Blood, I suspect Dirk (gigawhale at 491 synch) is doing 3 extra wipeouts daily
He's been consistently leveling up before I do, and I doubt he's opening cases

[swift mango]

just scar trina 2rl on team 1.

2rl Noah+Biscuit on team 2.

Math it so your CP/ their CP above 0.846

[wild patio]

https://tenor.com/view/money-burn-cash-shoveling-gif-5348644

[swift mango]

I don't know. You could be bricking too much to know. How is his Campaign clear comparing to you?

[keen vapor]

Hard 33-19

Like 1 and half more than me per hour (31 boss)

You should also remember increased core dust price

[swift mango]

just use t2 to hit their t1 tbh. T3 keep as is. and you win, or swap helmT and Rumani position to be extra sure.

[keen vapor]

He may be even doing 4 extra wipeouts

[wild patio]

https://tenor.com/view/mort-crying-scared-gif-21887116

[loud sonnet]

You still haven't hit him yet

[wild patio]

how much is actually per wipeout

[swift mango]

more economical than you spending 10000 gems to hit in Spa.

[keen vapor]

True....

[swift mango]

50 70 100 (120 or 150) I never do the 100 one...

[keen vapor]

Cost increases everytime

[swift mango]

Maybe I did one or twice by mistake

but not remember what come after 100

I think the cost max out at 200... lemme google it.

[crystal flicker]

Why the hell no one in my bracket running proper PvP comp

[keen vapor]

Is 100, 150, 200

[crystal flicker]

All just cp pad

[keen vapor]

No, it still goes up

[wild patio]

well2 look at the time, dblegends daily reset unlimited pvp attempts without using any currency for a gacha game

[keen vapor]

250,300,350,400

Last one is 500 gems

[swift mango]

Do you know where they record this info. I couldn't find. But logically it probably right.

[keen vapor]

I have my sources

[swift mango]

It mean they don't have the investment. Only the spenders in my bracket actually use proper arena comp because they confident in their cp.

aside from me

[swift mango]

[keen vapor]

is probably safe to do for F2P up to 3 extra wipeouts if ignoring daily pull

[restive willow]

Do you also have the sources for the most expensive price for the shop popup whenever you clear tower or whatever

[swift mango]

if you are safe in SpA to get to CA. Daily pull become better for CA.

[restive willow]

I hear it's $100

[swift mango]

But I still need to push my distance

[keen vapor]

Uh huh

My last Soda rolls needs me to do daily pull to eventually get more limit breaks than Trina and keep it that way

[swift mango]

people 10 levels below me start hitting me when they get to the next mileage. Whether they could win or not.

so 20 is the safe distance for someone who CP pad their arena teams in a bracket full of peeps who not.

[keen vapor]

So

[swift mango]

You do both daily pull and extra wipe out?

guess you ignore reroll dispatch

which I don't

[keen vapor]

It must be $15

I could show you a record of it but it's on Mexican pesos currency

[swift mango]

ah darn speaking of reroll dispatch I forgot to finish the reroll today...

[keen vapor]

Brother, I do everything

[swift mango]

well, I mean reroll 150 on average a day like me....

[keen vapor]

Today it was 200

I do try to keep it at 50 though

Not to mention you get refunded gems

[swift mango]

yeah. refund gem is average 75 a day so it helps

better to fix my luck than do that extra 100 gem wipe out

[keen vapor]

So I was a whale all along?

[crystal flicker]

I kinda agree wipe out is too expensive

[swift mango]

well, maybe bricking for a long time made you be whale to catch up.

I remember you only start to do wipe out recently

[keen vapor]

but but

I could swear I've been F2P all the time

[swift mango]

economically you only spend 50-100 gem a day to reroll dispatch to fix the 10 common dispatch and ignore the bad doll mats luck.

don't do it like me and 200 reroll anymore.

it's hard to break even.

[swift mango]

you whaling with tour saved 300k gem

how much you have left now?

if your leveling is safe maybe keep it at 70 gems claim. and 150 gem max a day on dispatch reroll.

[crystal flicker]

The moment I whale for CDs is the moment I clear that newest hard ch

+10 is huge

[swift mango]

no way you could do that anytime soon without gem claim 70 at least everyday.

[crystal flicker]

Yeah

Don't need to as long as I chill in top 3

[swift mango]

maybe buying monthly resource patch to prepare for the future.

[crystal flicker]

I ain't buy anything >10$

I won't be able to restrict myself to not using it

[glacial lion]

siren stun not req 50 hit on same target, just 50 hit

[quick lake]

[swift mango]

That's was how I lose my first CA.

[crystal flicker]

Mihara die too fast

[calm kettle]

@slender forgemy meta diff

so bricked

w xane and trisna bird

[shell hazel]

I ran similar with B3 at P2 and Blanc at P3, means blanc won't get stunned and she can indom the B3 who will burst when they stop being stunned, unless you have a second B3.

in your case Emi would burst, and Cindy would act as P1 which is less ideal, not sure if Siren will target skip to Blanc?

[wild patio]

@loud sonnet this guy is worse than me

wait, I think I still tops him by spending 10 attempts in 1 day

[wild patio]

My bet that this gonna be a pvp character

[fast cargo]

Quantum or Adjutant for RL?

[covert lintel]

Aoe atk mean screenwipe tier
Though we still don't know how much her dmg will be

Eng ver

[strong hull]

@swift mango

Webtoon character Na Kang Lim is peak cinema

[shell hazel]

nah I don't think so tbh, could be wrong but her skills are based on destroying parts

if she's not clip RL she can't be used in pvp really, and if she is it would be similar to xmaiden at best gen wise (still good and can fill a gap for dps like lapT or xMaiden can)

both look more like raid units to me

[raven plover]

iron raven, we gonna slap electric pvp units

[loud sonnet]

That is not his worst yet

[covert lintel]

from the wording it indicate her self buff is activated after destroying parts
But i don't really care about her self buff, what i need is iron code that has screenwipe burst on par or better than scar

[quick lake]

Every new unit we cope its a good pvp unit

[lone sequoia]

sure, raven will have A2 delay in her charge shot

[vapid lake]

Raven has pvp potential

[shell hazel]

I mean I'm getting her anyway for sure, so bonus if she's good in pvp

[lone sequoia]

no sword team

[shell hazel]

what weapon type has lily got?

[lone sequoia]

from c7 both units to 1 copy...

AR-RL-SMG

SMG for lily

[shell hazel]

aight no pvp potential for her then 😄

[wicked horizon]

36 seconds
These people botting fr

[crystal flicker]

Raven is RL, but I don't think she's clip sadly

[placid bloom]

Can’t see if she is sword user or actual RL user

Could just be another SBS/Cinderella with no splash on normals

[crystal flicker]

Like ScarBS

[lone sequoia]

iron RL is good in pvp, my problem with her is her part dmg description, SU only design bosses without parts/core now, to make everything a dps check that need the new 1% unit or cp boost

[lone sequoia]

raven, like A2, probably have the same delay

a skill that increase her explosion radius like S1 laplace but with parts destroyed

no sword team, only raven use a sword

[stray bay]

Hi people quick question : when we're talking about %CS, it's the sum of the OL lines + skills right?

[crystal flicker]

Yes

• Cubes

[quick lake]

From the look of Raven, really looks like delayed RL like A2

Dead on arrival

[shell hazel]

but also rounded gotta watch out for that...

#pvp-arena message

[quick lake]

Generally, yes

[shell hazel]

there is an example there in my linked post I put together

[stray bay]

I'll keep that in mind, thanks 🙏