pvp-arena

[jagged mesa]

i was hunting for abnormal attacker chest for about 1.5 months, and i just got two back to back so im free to hunt for other stuff

[umbral belfry]

echo did you make it to ca?

[keen vapor]

Yes

[placid bloom]

I think I'll just wait for 301 to see if I can s6 it before trying to farm it

[umbral belfry]

[keen vapor]

Make me CA teams

[umbral belfry]

for this, I won't bully shake

[shell hazel]

you may not be able to without a good dedicated comp, I can't 😄

[umbral belfry]

sir I am no chef

[keen vapor]

[keen vapor]

[umbral belfry]

now go win ca

[placid bloom]

I'm like 700m off without being able to break the slippers, I think it's doable at 301

[umbral belfry]

lock in

[placid bloom]

I can break the slippers if I crit fish but that's too much work for AI

[jagged mesa]

im like... half a bar off of S6 for harvester

[shell hazel]

I gone back to Kraken again

[keen vapor]

[placid bloom]

I'm like half a bar off to s7 for Harvester I think, my investment into Helm for snake doing work

[umbral belfry]

always believe in

[placid bloom]

Ultra is the worst one, still stuck at s4

it's actually impossible without RH

[shell hazel]

hoping I can mostly just stay on kraken as it's easy s6 and by 321 maybe 7

[umbral belfry]

I'm close to 7 on kraken but nothing yet

[keen vapor]

Lap treasure

[umbral belfry]

game telling me to go back and invest more into pve

[placid bloom]

1 copy and she's not available in silver mileage anymore

[copper creek]

ultra best AI

if u cant clear stage4 in 24 seconds its over

what beautiful game design

[jagged mesa]

wait, when was laplace in mileage shop

[keen vapor]

Rip

[copper creek]

when her treasure was new

[jagged mesa]

wtf

[umbral belfry]

ash 😭

[placid bloom]

I think I've only ever used silver mileage to break 160 wall

[jagged mesa]

ok wait when was laplace REMOVED from mileage shop

[copper creek]

silver mileage is used to purchase noah bodies

[copper creek]

when current gen of treasures were released

[umbral belfry]

that's what I did

[placid bloom]

right before they added this season's spare body selector

[shell hazel]

silver mileage can be used to buy fav item selector for the current season only

for spare bodies

[jagged mesa]

i see

[copper creek]

🐳

[umbral belfry]

[shell hazel]

mostly use mine for noah dupes as well but only at c3 noah or so

[copper creek]

hime 🐳

[shell hazel]

no, lol c1

[jagged mesa]

ok sorry back to my spa defense, im really considering just running a 2rl blanc-biscuit-cindy team at deficit to see if i can possibly nuke anyways

no b1 steroid but blanc b2 and cindy's hp conversion might be enough to kill anyways... right?

[shell hazel]

Hime I asked Grok how you level so quick and it said "credit card" 😄

[umbral belfry]

biscuit indom

[placid bloom]

[jagged mesa]

and biscuit to simply stall p1 enough to burst

[umbral belfry]

diabolical work LMAO

I do not recommend blanc and cindy together good sir

[jagged mesa]

wait sorry not blanc, i cant hit 2rl with blanc anwyays

[shell hazel]

run blanc with crow

no one will expect it or know how to beat it!

[copper creek]

i was wondering how u hit 2rl with blanc + cindy

[jagged mesa]

well shoot, no steroids for cindy

[copper creek]

even if u ran jackal helm+ and emilia21 it wouldnt happen

[jagged mesa]

god im getting confused

[umbral belfry]

believe in noise

[keen vapor]

My Noah is only MLB

[placid bloom]

you wouldn't even have a B1 if you weren't running Rumani/Jackal

[copper creek]

are you still hoarding til EOS

[placid bloom]

gotta kick Biscuit

[jagged mesa]

in this scenario, biscuit is to stall p1 enough to burst, this team would go in with a heavy cp deficit

[shell hazel]

2RL blanc cindy

[copper creek]

o fair

[umbral belfry]

not unless bisc dies to splash dmg in heavy deficit

only one proc at its game over

[copper creek]

wait whats the team u are going up against

[placid bloom]

blind defense

[umbral belfry]

it's for his def

[placid bloom]

it's not good lol

[copper creek]

dw about it if def

[shell hazel]

I mean it would suck a bit, I think cindy is not a great indom target 😄

[copper creek]

all def is breakable lol

if hes chinese he'll just ask on qq

[keen vapor]

No

[copper creek]

sync?

[keen vapor]

443

[keen vapor]

What's yours

[copper creek]

ok at least u catching up lol

459 but im lazy to run hard

[keen vapor]

[keen vapor]

Whale

[jagged mesa]

okay i can run two 2RL but both would be at cp deficit.... hmm

[copper creek]

bro my spending on this game is legit 0 now lol

[keen vapor]

I still haven't fully catched up

[copper creek]

of course you wont

im still at ch31/32h somewhere there lmao

[keen vapor]

Everyone does

[copper creek]

i said "not pushing" doesnt mean im stuck at 21h or something

but yeah what is whaling on nikke

i simply whale on alcohol instead

[jagged mesa]

guys can i float a potentially ridiculous/stupid spa defense idea for my current roster/investment

dont judge me plz

[copper creek]

i promise i wont judge u to ur face

i cannot promise i wont laugh at u behind ur back

jk

[jagged mesa]

these two teams to maintain cp viability

relying on jackal for potential 2rl for cindy

drake for cp purposes in scarlet's team, just barely enough for 2rl

acceptable if scarlet dies because helm b3 is also not terrible

wdyt @umbral belfry @placid bloom

[umbral belfry]

[keen vapor]

Second is hard copium

[jagged mesa]

right? LMAO

[umbral belfry]

I can see what you're going for on t1 sure, but t2 is

[keen vapor]

It won't
SBS won't die fast enough

[jagged mesa]

team 2 likely at deficit, but thats pure copium yeah

[umbral belfry]

take out pref cindy and put on t3

for cp gapping or something

wait wberes blanc

[keen vapor]

You should invest your jackals and centis

[umbral belfry]

sbs blanc jackal 2 rl is actually very good (unless countered lmao)

[placid bloom]

I am not very fond of Helm burst when you don't know if the enemy will be Jackal linked and you're not running stall, it's pretty hard to outheal enemy damage in arena

so Scarlet dying is a big issue

[jagged mesa]

i just pulled jackal, so im working on it

[umbral belfry]

understandable but if me, the opponent, seeing free eats(feed) on t1 I would admittedly use a scar jackal team

[placid bloom]

Helm just doesn't carry a team the way other dps do

[umbral belfry]

can't really blame that choice

[placid bloom]

she takes too long to shoot and her shots don't do as much

[clear folio]

bruh just cp gap by 100k and hit auto, ez

[umbral belfry]

the problem is his opponents are near the same sync level as him

so unlikely to cp gap them

and/or be cp gapped by them

[jagged mesa]

other way around, im pretty much behind in cp

[umbral belfry]

unless they mega invested their pvp units I guess

[shell hazel]

ayy lmao
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/n2tV5hoR1dc

[jagged mesa]

and mostly because my pvp units are all R0

[umbral belfry]

dangit ash

[jagged mesa]

if i can just pull noah almost all my problems are gone tbh

so ive kinda been holding resources in hopium

but i think its about time i just start investing

[umbral belfry]

charge your phone

[jagged mesa]

is cindy really bad bad in p2?

[shell hazel]

you can't make me! 😄

[jagged mesa]

is p2 decoy still in p1 rl splash?

[umbral belfry]

you're giving your opponent more burst gen due to decoy

p1 is baaaad, p2 is still bad

[shell hazel]

p2 is just less bad but it's still bad

[jagged mesa]

how does that even work

[placid bloom]

I wouldn't worry about it too much if you are 2RL and you know your opponents are only swinging into you with 2RL

[jagged mesa]

i figured either its in or its not in

[shell hazel]

splash damage from p1 hits you + decoy on p2

[placid bloom]

it's a lot worse the slower your team is

[shell hazel]

as I understand it anyway

[umbral belfry]

I laughed sorry my mind was elsewhere

[jagged mesa]

but then p2 decoy would be equally as bad as p1 decoy.. no?

[placid bloom]

enemy skips over p1, so they shoot at p2 and splash on 1-3

[shell hazel]

target skip to p2

[placid bloom]

decoy prevents targeting

[shell hazel]

yeah you getting hit effectively 4 times at p2

p2 + p1 + p1 decoy + p3

this is with cindy at p1 mind

[jagged mesa]

i... did not know that

[shell hazel]

so opponent rl skips to p2 and then splashes 1-3

[umbral belfry]

I'll be on the look out for any more p1 cindys this CA

[jagged mesa]

so p1 cindy could literally enable a 1rl team

meanwhile p2 cindy doesnt, but it still provides 3-target splash

[copper creek]

(in the gutter)

[umbral belfry]

rail has a funny video of him vs a p1 cindy and I swear jt was 1 rl

[shell hazel]

yeah it is

[placid bloom]

anyway, p1 Cinderella is illegal, you will be sent to the gulag if you use it

[umbral belfry]

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/jail-right-to-jail-right-away-parks-and-recreation-parks-and-rec-gif-16177531

[jagged mesa]

wait just to be crystal clear, p2 cindy is 3-target splash right

p1, p2 cindy, p2 decoy

[shell hazel]

yes

it's why p1 is worse than p2

[jagged mesa]

okay but isnt it the case that very few teams can take advantage of p2 cindy

cuz it's not cutting 2rl down to 1rl anywys

[shell hazel]

mostly rl but there are a lot of rl in pvp

[jagged mesa]

unless they have hella rl on that team

[copper creek]

still why do you wanna do that

when majority of burst gen units are RL

[shell hazel]

most good pvp units are rl

[copper creek]

not just burst gen units, that ^

[jagged mesa]

how many rl would you need to push 2rl to 1rl with cindy p2 though

[umbral belfry]

p1 cindy and biscuit

[placid bloom]

you won't be able to make a 2RL team 1RL, but you can make a barely 3RL team 2RL

[jagged mesa]

which wouldnt really matter as much if im also 2rl, no?

[placid bloom]

in most cases it doesn't matter

[jagged mesa]

basically right now, given my current units and whatever im trying to make a 2rl cindy team at deficit, by forcing jackal link on cindy

e.g. something like this to make 2rl

[placid bloom]

like I said, if you are 2RL and you know your opponent is swinging into you at 2RL and you planned for it

then it makes no difference

the issue is when you are 3RL+ and you are making them 2RL for no reason

[jagged mesa]

in this case, i would hope that jackal + cindy link = enough for 2rl

so it's 2rl vs 2rl, but with the grace of cindy burst nuking even at deficit

[placid bloom]

this would not enough for 2RL

you would be 2.5

[umbral belfry]

would an unbuffed cindy at deficit even nuke

[jagged mesa]

thats what im wondering

[shell hazel]

I think it would get to 2RL from 92.55% 2RL

[umbral belfry]

something tells me no

[shell hazel]

also no quantums shown here

[jagged mesa]

i dont understand the numbers well enough, i was thinking that 2rl % is enough

[shell hazel]

you'd quantum jackal

maybe centi and rumani also

[jagged mesa]

yeah with quantum im more along the lines of 93% ish

uhh, my quantum is lv2 only so it would be around 94.5% i think

with double quantum on this team

like i realize im doing mega-cursed stuff here but i'm working with what i've got 😭

[copper creek]

tbh i mean if you're talking about sp def just do whatever

[umbral belfry]

I would ask if you have a noise but i fear for the worst

[copper creek]

if it doesnt work just put in a new one

[copper creek]

take a shot

[jagged mesa]

yeah i have noise, but also uninvested 😂

[umbral belfry]

[jagged mesa]

yeah im just trying out different things, currently the c4-c6 in my bracket are poking me with a 50/50 success rate

im hoping to at least make it just a little bit more difficult

i could possibly put up something JUST BARELY good enough to defend more consistently

[shell hazel]

you could run jackal + rumani p1 / p2?

then cindy can p3, and SBS + Cindy + Jackal will link so no weakness on right with SBS

feels better than feeding the opponent extra with cindy p2 perhaps

[jagged mesa]

is single link jackal enough to feed to 2rl?

[shell hazel]

unsure, you could throw into rookie some and record/see

[jagged mesa]

you're right

i should test in rookie at reset

my thinking was i was willing to give up cindy p2 to ensure i also hit 2rl, so it's 2rl vs. 2rl

but if just jackal at p1 is enough, then i dont need to

[shell hazel]

anyone on the link who is hit adds feed but I am not 100% on how the feed mechanic works for gen

[jagged mesa]

yeah i meant cindy on p2 for double feed

[shell hazel]

thing is I suspect your cindy extra gen gain may outstrip any feed benefit you get with her being hit at the same time as jackal

you speed up your opponent too then

[jagged mesa]

potentially yeah, thats why i was diving in the minutia of how many RL it would take to 1RL against p2 cindy

[placid bloom]

you will not get 1RL off p2 Cinderella

even p1 barely gets it

the main thing it does it makes teams that shouldn't be 2RL (like Blanc) 2RL

[jagged mesa]

that's what im thinking, therefore my logic is:

if i'm up against 2rl team, then double link will make me 2rl as well and i can pray that cindy nuke wins the 2rl vs 2rl

If im up against 3rl team and cindy p2 makes us BOTH 2rl, then i still pray that cindy nuke wins the 2rl vs 2rl

and as a blind defense, i would hope that's the best option

[placid bloom]

so you are suddenly losing to garbage that normally is unloseable

[jagged mesa]

i suppose 2rl blanc would win, what other teams would win that 2rl vs 2rl?

because 2rl blanc is kinda specific too

[placid bloom]

3RL Moran stall, 3RL Noah Biscuit (though this one can sometimes win with enough RNG even at 3RL)

[jagged mesa]

good to know, although in my bracket moran is just nonexistent still

and noah is most likely dedicated to 2rl teams anyways

in any case, if jackal p1 is enough to feed me to 2rl anyways this wont be an issue

[placid bloom]

there's still a fair bit of 3RL Noah in my SPA, the lack of units just makes it that way

we'll see what happens if there's new clips in SB collab

[umbral belfry]

how much time do we have left to put down ca teams?

[copper creek]

20h4min @umbral belfry

[umbral belfry]

oh

[copper creek]

f

i hope to god the union raid chips distribute before then

[umbral belfry]

welp time to randomly arrange team order

[copper creek]

otherwise im royally screwed

forgot about CA and bought resilience batteries to lv12

[clear folio]

dm those arrangements for science

[umbral belfry]

LMAOOO 😭

you still gotta worry about everyone else 😭

[jagged mesa]

@umbral belfry there's literally nobody good to test on in our rookie bracket 😭 half of them have crown on defense

[umbral belfry]

😭 what are you trying to test?

[jagged mesa]

i want to test this against a 2rl team

to see if jackal p1 is enough to push me to 2rl

[umbral belfry]

you can test against mine if there's no cp gap? or I can try to make another 2 rl

[jagged mesa]

and im 35% deficit gapped by you, so i have nobody to test against LOL

[umbral belfry]

but you might be gapped

[jagged mesa]

WDYM NO CP GAP, THATS THE ONLY REASON IM DOING ALL THIS LOL

[umbral belfry]

dang

I don't think I can make a 2 rl with 4 units

[jagged mesa]

i think the best i can do is just select a team with siren and as few mg/smgs as possible and use that as a test

[umbral belfry]

wait I can

jack helmt anis centi

you shouldn't be cp gapped there

but idk if me having 4 would change anything

[jagged mesa]

im spamming refresh

[umbral belfry]

😭 if you want me to change to help you test lmk

[jagged mesa]

actually its okay

i can infer enough from these teams, i think

[umbral belfry]

[jagged mesa]

my god no wonder i was still holding #2 in our rookie bracket when i literally didnt have the units to put together a 2rl team

what is this team even aiming to do

[placid bloom]

praying for 2 Mermaid procs

[jagged mesa]

MY OBS DIDNT RECORD IT im done i wasted a chip on that

[placid bloom]

and living until then

[umbral belfry]

ash 😭

was your test at least successful

[jagged mesa]

no because obs didnt record it 😭

i have no idea what _RL this team is

okay screw it idk why im trying so hard for this

im just gonna set that as my defense and see if i get bounced off c3 today

[silent hinge]

Should I only prioritize Atk>Charge speed>max ammo? Elemental dmg doesn’t seems to do much. I can’t even deal dmg 30% of enemy team hp with ult.

Scarlet

[umbral belfry]

OG Scar doesn't need charge speed She's AR

If your scar isn't wiping, team comp might also be an issue

alongside skill levels

[silent hinge]

I forgor

Thought she was sniper lmao

[silent hinge]

Maybe team comp, i dont have many char so i just mixed weird team

[umbral belfry]

Scar Trina is usually the way to nuke a team

but scar blanc rh can also work

[umbral belfry]

yeah i can see why you're not nuking 😭

she needs buffers

at least rh if you don't have trina or blanc

[silent hinge]

Rh i go then

Will rapi rh do? I still haven’t build rh that much

[wicked horizon]

20 minutes to figure out how to beat this guy...

[umbral belfry]

i don't recommend your cindy in p2 due to her decoy giving opponent burst gen. try noah in pos2 and pray you don't face a siren (assuming you don't have 11 cs on noah to avoid it)

i don't use nero enough to know absolutely, but bc she's a tank she's usually at p1/p2 no? but bc i don't see her on your 1st pic, i assume she's not invested and wouldn't recommend using her at all

oh the pic hat guy sent is gone 😭

[umbral belfry]

no. just rh. but i fear that even rh alone wouldn't be enough to full nuke. it'll help for sure at least. but she has to be the one bursting. meaning your noise would have to go

wishlist trina if you haven't yet (and jackal + blanc)

[wet crystal]

my t2 is 2rl I think

[umbral belfry]

although at that point with scar not even nuking you're better off using another b3

[umbral belfry]

he needs a test for rookie

[wet crystal]

oh

[silent hinge]

I spend 200 to find trina but i only 3 gold and it’s a character i already had

[umbral belfry]

although i guess ash techinally could test against you in sp

[wet crystal]

pull out your inner weeb and do a slow pull, maybe recite a bleach spell or something long

[silent hinge]

My other comp

[umbral belfry]

but i wouldn't be surprised if cp gapped

[umbral belfry]

i have bad news to tell you my friend

[silent hinge]

Tried praying to buddha, but he couldn’t hear me

[umbral belfry]

these teams?

caught me at a bad time bc i gotta get ready for work maybe someone can help you

[silent hinge]

[silent hinge]

It’s fine. Maybe another master will show up

[umbral belfry]

as a sbs lover this brings me great pain

[silent hinge]

thanks anyway

[umbral belfry]

gl friend

[wet crystal]

Where's this version with the seconds?

[umbral belfry]

you mean that doc?

it should be somewhere in pinneds but i'll try to find it

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JUiiuHysG3vlWRPVx_wT6zUwkc5Ob9n8G0azCbuwlA8/edit?gid=0#gid=0

here, and now

[wet crystal]

jumped and it was literally the other one next to kosmiu's I am blind

[wet crystal]

thanks lol

[wicked horizon]

How the f did I lose this one?

Alice should be shooting at Noah for 10 whole seconds.

[jagged mesa]

yeah i was gonna test rookie cuz extra coins

its ok i just threw together the team anyways, will find out if i can hold c3 today without any hiccups

[umbral belfry]

@shell hazel @wet crystal the stupid mw boss theme came up on my lobby the moment i logged in to do my dispatch dailies

it's taunting me

[wet crystal]

Do it, show mw the moves, dodge and break that whale

[fast harness]

Just spitballing here but is it possible Alice died early then got revived after your noah burst? Not sure if taunt persists through death

[umbral belfry]

maybe tomorrow, it's my off day

[jagged mesa]

was there a google sheet that could estimate bust generation with jackal? or are feed charts for 1 target / 2 target the best we got

[umbral belfry]

it came on again 😭

IT'S ON RANDOM??

[shell hazel]

for CA, this a good plan or shift stuff about?

[umbral belfry]

i don't like it

even though feed to 3rl is likely

[wet crystal]

those two charts are all I know, I forgot the formula tho

[umbral belfry]

okay bye forealsies

[jagged mesa]

okay

[shell hazel]

[oak gale]

did i cook, or did i cook myself?

[wet crystal]

found it, quoting @quick lake "So to calc the gen provided by jackal, u take sum of pellets/feed divide by 10 multiply by 3.55, then add to ur burst gen
3.55 cause thats jackal base burt gen, which procs every 10 pellets received
So if u really wanna math the feed, u take ur opponent teams, add all the feed value then convert to jackal burst gen
then add to ur team’s burst value
a good heuristic is, AR shoots 20 bullets at 2RL
SH shoots 40 pellets at 2RL regardless of single or doublefeed
these are the only weapon types that matter tbh
MG/SMG is just dead to jackal"

[jagged mesa]

i was actually just reading the same thing on nikke.gg

i also wonder how many bullets mg actually feeds, given that it's capped at 30fps and it has wind up time

[wet crystal]

I think the first 2 teams are solid W potential, the rest is

[wet crystal]

if only those CS lines on mg actually shortens the wind up time smh

[oak gale]

hmmmmm

[jagged mesa]

so taking this team for example, the 0 to 3.55 means that 0 if the team bursts before 10 hits happen? and 3.55 if i have p1 and p2 linked and one proc happens?

[eternal thunder]

hmmm how exactly does the moran/nero comp work, cuz I am definitely planning on building Nero

[jagged mesa]

i think im missing some fundamental understanding to understand this chart

OH its cumulative going down

i think?

[placid bloom]

you're guaranteed to shoot 10 bullets by 2RL as long as all 5 characters shoot 1 bullet each

unless they messed up the links and you have an SR/SG shooting p5

[jagged mesa]

okay so i have two follow-up questions to that:

1. what does the 3.55 to 7.1 range mean
2. if my jackal feed generates enough burst at the exact hit that the enemy 2RL hits, do both teams burst at the exact same moment?

[copper creek]

maybe i should invest some pvp units

[placid bloom]

that looks very wrong, deck stats should be more accurate

[shell hazel]

these the feed stats?

[jagged mesa]

im looking specifically at the jackal feed column

i would be defending on the left

just trying to understand how the that column works exactly

[placid bloom]

if there's a range that's because some of the characters are continuously shooting

the range goes from how much feed there was previously to how much feed you will give by the time it hits XRL

[shell hazel]

how well does jackal feed work if the linked unit is p2 instead of p1?

[wet crystal]

so that column is what you feed the other team if they have jackal, right?

[placid bloom]

not everyone hits p2, so if they have less RLs then they won't give feed to p2

yes but the bullet count on the sheet looks off compared to what deck shows

[wet crystal]

actually, what's the last column, why's it look like that? the burst gen one

[jagged mesa]

nikke-deck shows bullet count for jackal feed purposes?

clearly im missing a lot of details here

[placid bloom]

there's a toggle for Show more data

[jagged mesa]

might need to scour out all resources and rebuild my understanding from ground up

[jagged mesa]

i have that toggled but im not sure if the 3rd row is supposed to show that?

[shell hazel]

would this be a totally dumb CA SBS comp then? p1 / p2 / p5 should be linked so max feed?

[jagged mesa]

oh the feed amount, not literal bullet count right

[placid bloom]

top line - current time in battle
second line - current burst gauge % filled
third line - current bullets shot by your team
fourth line - enemy Jackal burst gen from your bullets

[wet crystal]

doesn't it need to be at least 90% to reach 100 for jack feeds? so is that at most 3.5 rl?

[shell hazel]

it depends how much feed opponent has

[placid bloom]

you look at the enemy team's current % gauge and add your Jackal feed to it

to see how much gauge they'd actually have at that timing

[shell hazel]

if 2RL of your team shows 90% and 2RL of opponent team jackal feed is 10% you should hit 2RL

[placid bloom]

so if they're at 90% at 2RL and you feed 10% they reach 100% at 2RL

[shell hazel]

damn you copied my example 😄

[placid bloom]

well it's the most common and most realistic

[jagged mesa]

okay i was wondering if that's what it really meant but the 3rd line (current bullets shot by this team) looked sus to me

it looked abnormally high

[placid bloom]

96.45% with 1 Jackal proc is the only one that's guaranteed vs all matchups

since every team shoots 1 bullet per char over 2 volleys minimum

[shell hazel]

weapon type dependent ofc

[placid bloom]

but most meta teams have more than just SR/RL

so you can expect more than 1 proc

[jagged mesa]

does this bullet count really look correct?

for 1 link

[shell hazel]

what do you guys think of my team layout above? it's that or I can put SBS p1 / blanc p2 and less strain on the linked units then

it's combination of all bullets fired by your team in 2RL given current units

[jagged mesa]

by 2rl each sr/rl fires 2 volleys each, cinderella idk exactly how many, noah double hit i assume. 20 shots minimum still seems like too much for 2 volleys for 1 link, unless im STILL not understanding something

in which case i apologize lmfao

[wind kelp]

Ok then, this kind of season i see.

[jagged mesa]

in any case, i dont even know if it's assuming p1 link only

or for example, p5 link for helm on attack

[wind kelp]

Last season i defended 4th easy, two days later and i get hammered. Ah hek it, i got to the champion arena, i've gotten what i want from pvp, chill gem farm again

[wet crystal]

stage 7 kraken rewards are a lie, those rock % are 0 smh

[jagged mesa]

ok i guess that answers that

[fast harness]

lower number is if you hit one linked unit, higher number if you hit 2, RL can splash to hit more than one unit so that's why there is a range for them

[wet crystal]

would siren end up getting indom instead?

if so, sbs p1 is prob better

[shell hazel]

she may, it's linked damage though

[jagged mesa]

yeah i was considering that, but it seems like kuwon found that helm's bullet count was off

[shell hazel]

in theory it's evenly shared

[jagged mesa]

because either way it was not adding up

[placid bloom]

4 bullets at 2RL for Helm would be OP

he probably added something to the database and all the rows got shifted down by 1 or something

[jagged mesa]

ok its all starting to come together now

now the only consideration left is SR targeting for p5 link

on defense at least

now the other question is, if my jackal feed burst generation gives me full bar on the exact same shot that gives the opponent full bar, are we bursting at the same time?

e.g. a 2.5rl jackal team that hits 2rl with feed, vs. an actual 2rl team

[placid bloom]

oh wait I forgot Helm's extra proc on full charge counts as a hit

same for LapT

[jagged mesa]

ohhhh

[placid bloom]

Cinderella also has procs on hit for full charge

so yes it is correct

[jagged mesa]

okay yeah that makes sense to me now

that explains the 8-8 for cinderella too

[fast harness]

as long as you both reach 100% at the exact same time, then yes

[placid bloom]

I ghost pinged him I guess

[jagged mesa]

ugh i wish nikke-deck had an option for quantum level 3

im splitting hairs at this point

and that distinction actually matters lmao

[bleak shale]

u know i once asked a question that i dont think anyone thought about, jackal procs count as procs for other jackals im pretty sure

but confirming sounds like an absolute pain

[jagged mesa]

i was also wondering that for jackal/scarlet

do retaliates proc retaliates 🤔

[bleak shale]

yes

[placid bloom]

it's harder to tell for Scarlet because it could just be RNG

[bleak shale]

nah scarlet procs so much u can push for scarlet proc to make an impossible chance possible

jackal procs like 2-3 times its hard to setup exact timings

[jagged mesa]

last month i spent 1h in gravedigger trying to see how jackal link + scarlet retaliate functions for multi-hits

but alas rng is hard af to confirm

[wicked horizon]

This did not happen.

[jagged mesa]

basically i was trying to test whether a single multi-hit attack counts as a separate instance of damage for each target hit

e.g. if, by some chance a single RL hit 3 linked targets, does that count as:

p1 hit - split to p2 link and p3 link
p2 hit - split to p1 link and p3 link
p3 hit - split to p1 link and p2 link

for a total of 9 hits from one rocket lol

and if so, whether that counts as up to 9 retaliates from scarlet

or something along those lines

[hollow lagoon]

which set to run

[untold current]

Is League ranked invitation only? Cause it tells me to finish forming my squad but then says players are forming their squads?

[placid bloom]

top 4 by points at end of special arena season only

[untold current]

ty ty

[jagged mesa]

if a 2rl cindy team fights a 2rl cindy team and both are strong enough to nuke each other, who would win

and similarly, if a 2rl cindy team fights a 2rl scarlet team, and both are strong enough to nuke each other, who would win?

[placid bloom]

2RL Scarlet is faster than 2RL Cinderella

[jagged mesa]

thought so, what about complete mirror between scarlet vs scarlet or cindy vs. cindy? i think the latter comes down to rng right?

[wheat heart]

the one that has noah. if they both have noah then the one that has the most healing.

[hexed cypress]

after eliminating all option for the other char, this is the best team i can come up with, who should i put in the last slot?

[jagged mesa]

not accounting for noah, i mean pure straight up both teams nuking eachother at the same time

[wheat heart]

the one with more investment

[steep oak]

Does @tropic summit still post here?

[jagged mesa]

:\

i specifically said if both teams are strong enough to nuke each other. obviously this game doesnt have draws, so how does it decide who wins

[placid bloom]

Should just be up to fate depending on who the server prioritizes to deal damage first

[hexed cypress]

after eliminating all option for the other char, this is the best team i can come up with, who should i put in the last slot?

[glad glade]

How do i win against this team in rookie?

[glad glade]

Opposing team is 2RL

[thin perch]

Bro the day just started

[wise horizon]

Should be ok? Not sure about T1 though. @keen vapor

[jagged mesa]

@wet crystal how do you ensure that indom falls on sbs for your t1?

i tried poking you and i swear siren and jackal were both lower hp than sbs, but sbs got the indom

[hollow lagoon]

Prob a 2rl Rosana to yeet enemy helm

[vapid lake]

What even is ur def how has he not bruteforced his way through yet

[glossy falcon]

He could be testing stuff for ca depending on rank

[glad glade]

Rip my Rosanna is barebones naked uninvested

[hollow lagoon]

Ur still higher level

[placid bloom]

support and defender have higher base HP than attacker assuming same number of cores

you should never be able to redirect indom if you're properly Jackal linked

[glad glade]

I thought Rosa was worthless if uninvested, especially in rookie or SPA

[hollow lagoon]

Run this see if you yeet that team

Moran will feed scarlet

So ur likely to burst first

[jagged mesa]

hmm so blanc operates off actual value rather than percentage of hp

[placid bloom]

yes

[jagged mesa]

either way i guess R15 jackal > SR15 sbs in hp, unless there's some gear level/vigor cube manipulation

[placid bloom]

defender base HP is way higher, you basically only need OL on chest to be higher than attacker even with doll diff

at least at higher sync, the flat HP from doll can be a lot at lower sync

[jagged mesa]

my sbs is 100k hp ahead of my jackal, granted its SR15 to R0 😂

[placid bloom]

eventually the stats from sync just overtake the flat stats from OL/doll

[hollow lagoon]

O mighty @placid bloom which set do you think is better #pvp-arena message

[glad glade]

Nope didn’t work

[hollow lagoon]

Rosana couldn’t 1 shot helm?

[glad glade]

Killed the enemy drake but not Helm

[hollow lagoon]

Guess u need ele rolls then

[glad glade]

Not even ele. My rosa is 1/1/1 no OL lmao

[hollow lagoon]

Well there’s your problem

[glad glade]

Exactly, thats why I was so hesitant

[hollow lagoon]

Mine’s 4/9/7 no ol

[placid bloom]

left one seems a bit more real, there's some sus stuff on right side like XMica with Rumani B1
at least the 3RL XMica Blanc SBS makes sense for countering Mermaid

[glad glade]

Not bad. I’m not investing in mine until I reach a point where I can get a guarenteed 3% on SR permanently

[hollow lagoon]

The rumani b1 is cuz some times scarlet dies in 2rl without jackal

[placid bloom]

I know

[glad glade]

Thank God rookie is worthless

[hollow lagoon]

And slotting jackal in the indom team make indom more likely to go off

Or so I think that’s how it goes in my brain

[placid bloom]

uh it depends, it definitely helps against SG matchup

since you autolose to SG normally

[hollow lagoon]

My plan is to either land indom on Laplace or sbs but I have no real way to guaranteeing sbs survive

[placid bloom]

problem is that also means your Scar Trina dies to SG now

which it normally shouldn't

[wet crystal]

my sbs has 200k less hp than my siren

[hollow lagoon]

Mmk

[placid bloom]

so you're basically trading 1 matchup win for 1 matchup loss on the other team

[hollow lagoon]

In that case yearh I rather win with scarlet

Indom is not reliable

[jagged mesa]

yea kuwon also hinted me in, whats your jackal hp though?

just out of curiosity

[wet crystal]

2m

[jagged mesa]

sorry i meant compared to sbs

[wet crystal]

10k more

[jagged mesa]

danggg okay

not strong enough to poke you 🥲

[wet crystal]

t3 is the lowest, how'd that go?

[jagged mesa]

i attacked it with my leftover team so it just got crushed

im seeing now if one of my other teams can beat your t3, theoretically

i guess i could beat your t3 with one of my 2rl teams

but i cant win against either of your t1 or t2 afterwards, i think

actually im thinking about how to make it work against your t3

do you mind if i post the screenshot here or you dont want others to see ur defense

its kinda silly to discuss how to beat your defense but y'know, not much competition in our bracket for you and hime anyways

[wet crystal]

I don't mind

[jagged mesa]

im trying to see if i can make this work

but it gets very specific in this matchup

in this setup, my jackal just barely doesn't feed enough

actually gimme a sec

ok so, in that setup, your team doesnt feed my jackal enough for 2 procs

if i move cindy to p2, it will feed enough for 2rl, but you might also reach 2.5rl which means i wont burst before your noah does

if i accept having 2.5rl vs your 3rl, i dont think my cindy will apply damage before your noah bursts

[placid bloom]

even 2RL Cinderella doesn't beat 3RL Noah

[jagged mesa]

and in the first place, i dont know if my cindy will one-shot your units and bypass biscuit

[placid bloom]

she's just that slow

[wet crystal]

I don't have jackal in that comp

[jagged mesa]

ah sht okay nvm then

[placid bloom]

her burst actually takes forever to apply

[wet crystal]

try a 2rl scarlet

[jagged mesa]

yeah i meant feeding to my jackal

[jagged mesa]

i cant because i think i need my 2rl scarlet to fight your team 2

[wet crystal]

yea, they're all rl

[jagged mesa]

i dont even think i can win this

[placid bloom]

you definitely do not win that

[wet crystal]

possibility of cindy nuke my t1 instead? or tried thaht already

[jagged mesa]

cant get past your sbs indom

plus the cp gap is too big

[keen vapor]

Uh huh not this
Use scar team against Emilia, move Blanc to P2 and swap Laplace for Red Hood

Surely not 2.5

[jagged mesa]

dang im kinda bummed out that 2rl cindy cant even beat 3rl noah

i thought i could maybe play around that but it's a no-go

its ok noah during collab pulls

[hollow lagoon]

3rl Noah tho?

Just 2rl scarlet it?

[jagged mesa]

the problem is im big cp gapped and i cant beat his other teams

and my 2rl scarlet is my best bet to beat his other teams

[keen vapor]

Huh?

[keen vapor]

...... Wait, so that's how...

[wet crystal]

we'll have see what the dice rolls for you in the match ups

[keen vapor]

Uuuhhh siren will die there

[pure moss]

Should I sacrifice my Trina? She isn't linked and not fully built

[keen vapor]

No...

[pure moss]

then scarlet in p1?

[wet crystal]

and my investments will now lean towards pvp since my pve just needs levels

[keen vapor]

well yes, but there's no link to begin with on Scarlet team

[jagged mesa]

and you got scarlet ready

[pure moss]

anis shares dmg right?

[jagged mesa]

your pve OL rolls are good too?

[wet crystal]

could be better, but good enough for sure

[keen vapor]

No

Not until 30s has passed

[jagged mesa]

ehh its okay, as long as i can hold c3

with noah for sure i can put together good enough teams to hold c3 even better

[pure moss]

oh well, o7 scarlet

[wet crystal]

did they nibble at you?

[pure moss]

other than that am I good to go?

[hollow lagoon]

My pve ol are pertty sad rapi and sbs only 1 ele roll

[wet crystal]

my helm has no ele...

[jagged mesa]

all the time, but im testing new defense today. waiting for them to attack me

[hollow lagoon]

well u can just use her for supporter

[wet crystal]

her best role (tho I need them ele for pvp)

[keen vapor]

I guess so

[pure moss]

ty. Imma bet against myself every match

[hollow lagoon]

Still gets me harvester interception stage 7 regardless anyway

[pure moss]

hopefully I can get pass 64 this time

been stuck in 64 twice

[wet crystal]

I've never seen our other sp c4/c3 in ca, maybe this time?

is it dkaze

[jagged mesa]

good question, i have no idea

i believe so

[wet crystal]

the difficulty in the brackets for older accounts is something I'm glad I'm not in, good luck

[hollow lagoon]

I too a 64 L last season

[wet crystal]

same T64 squad

[jagged mesa]

i didnt make it out of groups past 2 times

at least im up a jackal this time

need to work on my CA team later tonight

[hollow lagoon]

I just wanna win ca again for the slightly prettier frame

[wet crystal]

getting out with this

[jagged mesa]

i really really want the silver betting border

but i keep getting one cheer wrong each season

[wet crystal]

after getting both betting borders, I'm already satisfied

[jagged mesa]

need u to help me pick this time, im not good enough i keep getting something wrong

but i learned a lot today, which is good

[umbral belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-it-yes-thats-it-that-right-there-omg-that-thats-what-i-mean-gif-17579879

@wet crystal

wait a sec i know that team

[jagged mesa]

dont you have doggos to tend to

[umbral belfry]

I'm on break rn

[wet crystal]

wait, was that how you set yours up? not mor/helm/bay/rum/lap?

[umbral belfry]

mine is moran rumani helm bay lap+

not real difference between bay and helm placements as they're both safe

so you're all good

[wet crystal]

holder till my scarlet is up and running

[umbral belfry]

[wet crystal]

[umbral belfry]

id keep that team personally (unless you wanted to change it)

iirc its only maim threats are defending SG(unlikely to be all built) + stronger stall team

[wet crystal]

my ca set ups left me with no choice but to have one 4rl

[umbral belfry]

and at our level the chances of us having the real stall team leveled is

[wet crystal]

@jagged mesa

[umbral belfry]

both you and ash with your 4 rl

[jagged mesa]

i no longer have 4rl

actually my t3 is 4rl

[umbral belfry]

[jagged mesa]

im just thinking

if collab units are not meta should i just like

start pulling standard banner until i get noah (plus i need rouge too)

[umbral belfry]

surely meta surely

okay break is over hf team building

[jagged mesa]

👋

[wet crystal]

do we know how many units coming? are there other female co-protags in that game aside from the main character?

whom I think is gonna be a sword wielding unit

[umbral belfry]

oh right and a sbs blanc jackal team. so be careful ok now poof

[crystal flicker]

That's a big gamble

[crystal flicker]

2-3 SSRs yes

[clear folio]

raven pvp meta, trust!

[severe nimbus]

there are EVE, Tachy, and Raven as possible SSR's. Lily is just straight up going to be the free SR as for who actually gets added. no idea. but those are the options.

[wet crystal]

woah, what are those forms, naytibas

I wanna do a naytiba, kilo, naytiba and just not see the screen (idk how big those forms are tho)

[jagged mesa]

what the heck are you even saying

are those all stellar blade things

[wet crystal]

I don't know, I should buy the game and play it to know

[crystal flicker]

Just try demo

[wet crystal]

30 min playtime?

[crystal flicker]

Collab so far only give 2 SSRs (except EVA-01)

No idea how long the demo

I didn't try it

[wet crystal]

so either 2 protags or 1 protag 1 antag

[jagged mesa]

these guys attack me all the time and now that i finally want to test my defense they are MIA @wet crystal

[wet crystal]

solid c3

[jagged mesa]

did we ever compete for SPA? its been so long i dont even remember anymore

[wet crystal]

I remember, I was in a scramble with everyone, only hime was unaffected

I traded the most spots with you and the chinese character

[jagged mesa]

oh i dont remember chinese guy back then

i just know hime passed me when she had the quency escape queen avatar, then you passed me with rapi avatar

[wet crystal]

it was mostly chinese and zzz exchanging for c2

[jagged mesa]

really.. i dont even remember that

[wet crystal]

😂 the rest of us competed for c3, and sometimes we'd get c2 but for them to take it back

I broke out of the struggle after getting helm T

I secured rookie r1 and got c2 with only you being able to trade back, some point I got another unit that solidified my position, I forgot tho

[jagged mesa]

Helm t was huge for me too, esp since I got it late

Btw I think we need a new race/bet. You know who I want, vs. ur next unit

[wet crystal]

I can only race for: isabel. I can bet c2 for 8hrs.

[crystal flicker]

18 rocks and not a single CS 1 line

[wet crystal]

which doesn't change much for us c3+ anyway

[wet crystal]

1 rock each?

[crystal flicker]

3

[wet crystal]

6 rolls, was it hit rate?

[crystal flicker]

Hit rate & Crit

Which has the same rate as CS

[jagged mesa]

Btw hime and I got RH same day, then you and hime got scarlet same day

Next is our turn to get same pilgrim same day

Gotta finish the trifecta

[wet crystal]

... don't jinx it, you'll end up with an isabel instead of a noah

[wet crystal]

what's the strat, week worth of kraken then gamba?

[jagged mesa]

No ur getting Noah with me

Sorry buddy

[crystal flicker]

Wdym strat

[wet crystal]

I use 1-2 day's worth of rocks, wonder if I should save

[crystal flicker]

Save for collab

[wet crystal]

1 week's worth then

depends if meta tho

[crystal flicker]

It's their own IP, and as promotional move, there's no way they make the collab sucks

I almost run unlink ScarBS P1 for CA

[jagged mesa]

im doing that for spa now ahaheaheh

oh scarbs nvm

who the heck says scarBS

[raven plover]

only Eve good

[charred vigil]

is there any place record all the champ arena's top1 team comp.

I

I'm too lazy I just wanna copy

[icy estuary]

Okay boys, lend me a hand. I need some good teams to dom my rivals in SP Arena. Someone gave me a Grave team before and it's great, I'm using it right now and(Rumani, Grave, Cinderella, Treasure Helm, Centi)

For added context, I'm Challenger 9 at the moment.

[torpid relic]

does anyone have the link for the team builder?

[crystal flicker]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgRrTZ_mg-A

[umbral belfry]

he has to copy those investments

[crystal flicker]

https://nikke-deck.web.app/saved-decks

[umbral crown]

imagine

[clear folio]

Found the perfect team:
T1 solo Crow
T2 solo Mori
T3 2RL Nuke
T4 2RL Nuke
T5 2RL Nuke

[umbral belfry]

[icy estuary]

Where solo Trony? We need feet representation

[crystal flicker]

Why not use Noah instead of Grave tho

[clear folio]

ran out of resources, crow took everything

[icy estuary]

They gave me this. And also I use Noah with Red Hood to avoid nukes

Besides, my idea was a team with Grave, since I had pulled a double copy on permanent banner to add to my original one.

[crystal flicker]

Oh it's Rail

[icy estuary]

I use the second one

[crystal flicker]

Imo it's better to run Cindy with Noah, since 2RL Scarlet will beat Noahless 2RL Cindy anyday

[icy estuary]

I don't know your terminology, dudes. I don't know what 2RL means.

[crystal flicker]

Speed

[icy estuary]

Speed Unlimited+Vodka?

[crystal flicker]

You see in that table 2RL BURST with Blue color

The smaller the better

[icy estuary]

It'd be better if you tell me what 2RL means

Not an explanation

Reload?

[crystal flicker]

2 x Rocket Launcher shoot

[icy estuary]

Oh that's better

Okay, now I get it

[crystal flicker]

1 Rocket Launcher will shoot at ~1.33s, with adds and everything 2RL will burst at 4.17s

Cindy Burst is not an instant Nuke, so against Scarlet she'll lose because Scarlet is instant 1 hit

TLDR: Get Trina for Scarlet comp, so you can run 2 Fast burst team in SP

Or 3 if you have Emilia

[valid fern]

guys Im too lazy to swap around my comps for next CA

what if I literally leave them as is

[umbral crown]

we will never know till you try it

but thats up to you, recommendation is always change teams for a better result

[crystal flicker]

Should I run RH buffed ScarBS 3RL or not-buffed 2.5RL?

[umbral crown]

[covert lintel]

I'll destroy every cindy noah without biscuit

[raven plover]

time to put biskit on cindy noah Im scared

[keen vapor]

Thanks, I know what team to build now

[umbral crown]

uses bay

[keen vapor]

I still haven't cooked CA btw

[crystal flicker]

Just use Keripo

[keen vapor]

Ofc

I don't have Anne

[umbral crown]

is that easy?

also echo can not copy keripo investments uwu

[keen vapor]

I didn't invest Nero either

[umbral crown]

just make teams without nero

[keen vapor]

My Noah is brick, she's slower than Noise

[umbral crown]

pray your scar does not get siren ed

for CA noise noah biscuit in the same team is expensive

[crystal flicker]

Better than get SG'd

[umbral crown]

they kill noise before burst and what will you get

[crystal flicker]

Rumani

[umbral crown]

but there is not other b1 there

now you see why is expensive the team

unless you have more units for the rest of your teams

to aovid SG you just need defender in P1 and P5 and biscuit

[crystal flicker]

Nah, Echo just ignoring CA

[umbral crown]

[crystal flicker]

S5 I'm using 3 x ~2.5 and 2 x 2 RL

[swift mango]

I cooked my CA like 4 times but not sastified with any of them.

Not wanting to use the old teams so I would see how I far I could go with these meh teams.

[atomic wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/cry-about-it-berserk-guts-berserk-gif-10482769789433754956

[swift mango]

This meme is weird. I see gut and I know he has sad life. But the gift doesn't make any sense.

No wonder no one use it on the internet. Despite Berserk being famous.

[raven plover]

isnt that good, noah can be p1

[atomic wolf]

its just stupid shit bro why do you erven think too mcuh about it

[swift mango]

I mean it's looking like just a badly made meme that no one would use, but you had it.

[crystal flicker]

Which one should I run

[atomic wolf]

do you believe in sbs getting indom

i'm just kidding just put jackal in a better team

[crystal flicker]

I don't need Jackal for other team

Alternatively

[swift mango]

hmm, in the team, my Blanc and RH would be linked.

[crystal flicker]

SAnis has 3x Atk

[swift mango]

this looks alright I guess.

[quick lake]

jackal 3rl too slow

[swift mango]

Well, he will lose against scar jackal anyway. No problem here.

[quick lake]

from what i see, there isn’t alot of other teams with SG that can boost 2.5-3rl jackal to faster

[crystal flicker]

It'll be 2.5RL against SG/MG

[swift mango]

Can it survive 4 SG though?

[crystal flicker]

I once run SG Rosa against ScarBS Jackal and lose

[swift mango]

What "SG" did you use is the problem.

[raven plover]

ok Im cooking to block your SG surely this win

[swift mango]

Win what?

[raven plover]

win vs SGs

[swift mango]

Help me decide guys.

2.5rl Cindy+Moran

Or

2rl SG without Rosa?

[crystal flicker]

Why run that

[swift mango]

Because elike I said I don't want to do repeat teams

[crystal flicker]

SG if they're high investment, otherwise Cindy

[hazy shore]

how can this team get countered?

[crystal flicker]

Scarlet

[umbral belfry]

might get stunned if not low ammo

[graceful grotto]

i would put Noah leftmost just so she'll take some attack first before it's shift to Noise, also siren haha

[crystal flicker]

Jackal Scarlet Trina Centi Anis

or RH

[graceful grotto]

anyone with Noah + another taunter to take away siren's attack lol

but yeah 2RL it could work too

[swift mango]

All SR5 full OL ofc but Idk about high investment.

Okay Drake is teasure

[swift mango]

Just SG it with style

[crystal flicker]

As long as not facing Scarlet counter or Biscuit should be OK

This maybe better than prev comp

So I have 2 SG comp

[hazy shore]

could this apply to draket or pmaid instead of anis

[crystal flicker]

Sure, but this the generic SG comp for CA, with Viper replaceable by XAnne and BSoda in place of Maiden

I dare play 2 SG comp because my Rosa will one shot anyone w/o Moran

[umbral belfry]

watch 1 sg comp fight a noah bisc and another fight a p1 moran 😭

[hazy shore]

It might be time to invest then

[crystal flicker]

That just mean guarantee win for Scarlet, Cindy, and Stall comp

[umbral belfry]

[keen vapor]

Siren what

[umbral crown]

[swift mango]

Are you sure about that

Watch your scar got shot by Rosa or Siren.

Or Cindy got screwed over by 2.5rl Blanc.

Stall, what's stall? Just scar Trina jack it.

[crystal flicker]

Trina Jackal isn't effective against proper stall

[swift mango]

Like I said, what stall?

[crystal flicker]

2.5RL Moran

It should be faster but RNG refused to give my HelmT CS line

[swift mango]

Check out this ultimate stall.

[crystal flicker]

That's 3RL ass lmao

#team-Quiry

[swift mango]

It's not really team being 3rl but the enemy got CS to make it even faster.

[crystal flicker]

Doesnt matter tho

[fringe bramble]

[crystal flicker]

They need stupid 1.6RL comp to avoid Moran

[swift mango]

Look at that sr15 Nero died.

[crystal flicker]

Also I'm deploying 21% CS Noah this CA

[jagged mesa]

sometimes i read this chat

and just think to myself that you guys are just cooking on a different plane of existence

and i wont have the resources anytime soon to even catch up in knowledge

[hollow eagle]

guys rate my dumpster cook

no treasure, no equipment Viper

[keen vapor]

Thoughts?

[hollow eagle]

Boda strong enough to wipe? why not Drake burst?

[keen vapor]

Soda burst level 7

Drake single target

[umbral belfry]

interesting name

[hollow eagle]

in all of my sg matches, boda failed to wipe anything, even with 3 atk, burst lvl 10 + xanne buff

Drake more reliable

[swift mango]

Fine I guess. My CA even worse.

But why split Noah and Noise? Bricked CS?

[keen vapor]

If I had to guess it's bc your Soda dies in the first place

[keen vapor]

Wanted to be original yes, my Noah slower, might even change Cinderella by Anis

[hollow eagle]

yea loses coin stack sucks

[swift mango]

[keen vapor]

Dying means no Anne attack buff for her

[keen vapor]

[keen vapor]

It's been days like that

[umbral belfry]

don't tell support

[jagged mesa]

@umbral belfry @wet crystal my convoluted cook was successful YES YES

C3 IS MINE

[swift mango]

he is regular in a day one bracket and won last CA.
his d is hard enough

[umbral crown]

looks fine to me but where your tempura cubes

[keen vapor]

Yeah I'll add

[umbral crown]

how many slots

[umbral belfry]

success

[umbral crown]

8?

[umbral belfry]

[keen vapor]

I think Mihara sacc is worthless

[hollow eagle]

wdym? it's still 2RL scar nuke if mihara dies

[keen vapor]

Your Rapunzel has 2 attack lines or something?

[hollow eagle]

no, it's me betting on 2RL Rapunzel stun

[keen vapor]

Also, quantum Biscuit

[umbral crown]

[hollow eagle]

out of quantum slot

[keen vapor]

[umbral crown]

biscuit with quatum

[keen vapor]

No viper quantum for you use Pinne sacc

[umbral crown]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-boy-patrick-waking-up-2am-gif-26372798

epp time echo

[keen vapor]

I know

[umbral crown]

but there is like 11

[swift mango]

lemme warn you that product 23 will die in 1rl placing scarlet

[hollow eagle]

Viper quantum there ensure 2RL if Mihara dies for me

[dire root]

Interesting team, they got there.

[swift mango]

my own experience

[keen vapor]

So? Doesn't max Rosanna fixed it?

[umbral crown]

or like my stall team losing to a 2.5 scar trina drake t rh jackal

[swift mango]

it won't be 2rl with one sacc just know it,

[hollow eagle]

p23 dies too soon and not enough burst gen?

[keen vapor]

So alternative is Soda sacc

[swift mango]

Yes

[hollow eagle]

ig my Mihara sacc still works normally then

1RL if Viper dies too

from scar counter

[swift mango]

It's 2rl even faster with all the feeds.

[atomic wolf]

good luck this CA @umbral belfry

I figured if I get top 2 (again) my position would be more visible

lets hope that you get top 1 again and we take it easy

[crystal flicker]

Move Viper Quantum to Biscuit, since you only need 63.46% to get 2RL via sacc lv10

[hollow eagle]

a tiny bit short lol

that's why I put it on Viper just to be 100% sure

[crystal flicker]

Move Scar so she can cast counter

[hollow eagle]

as for the 5th team, Emi 2.5RL is fine imo, no need to be 2RL

[crystal flicker]

And get some CS for 1st team

Y aint nuke anyone with 3RL Cindy

[hollow eagle]

from my past matches, siren manages to stun all of Noah encounter, ensuring Cindy nuke

Noah taunt siren

[crystal flicker]

You're not gonna nuke anything against 2RL or 2.5RL Scarlet

Just feels like wasted potential

[cobalt pine]

where do you guys go for that calculator thing?

[crystal flicker]

https://nikke-deck.web.app/
https://tinyurl.com/kosmiu-burst-gen-calc

[cobalt pine]

ty sir, my biggest problem is calculatin my RL speed

[elder walrus]

an update. i have got helm treasure now

[calm gull]

enough mats to phase 3?

but for pvp, p1 is enough tbh

I just realized this is pvp channel lol

[elder walrus]

i got it up to 2 but not far off 3

[fathom rock]

P2 for highest burst gen

[elder walrus]

i see thank you

[swift mango]

Nikke was 19gb yesterday. I reinstalled and it's 13gb.

A big game with good graphics used to be only 3gb.

[regal garden]

wonder how it will affect my damage output from this team, making Alice level 200

Does level affect damage a lot?

[crystal flicker]

you're 160 walled

[regal garden]

It does not mean I can't get Alice 3 stars and get her to lvl 200 rn

[crystal flicker]

Sure you can

But it doesn't change much if you're against non-walled opponent

[regal garden]

And against walled opponent?

[crystal flicker]

Personally I prefer running AoE Nuke instead of single target

But against walled, it's equal ground unless you can put them under deficits via OL and Dolls

[regal garden]

OLs I do have some

Yet, I don't think I have a single nuke

[crystal flicker]

Yeah not big AoE Nuke

[regal garden]

I hella need helmet to overload for Red Hood...

[crystal flicker]

Do you know Trina will make Moran immune for 2seconds

It's better to run them together

[raven plover]

https://tenor.com/view/noway-nowaying-what-huh-gif-27487800

[regal garden]

I did not know, but what's about overall burst gain speed then?

[crystal flicker]

Trina equal to Anis gen

[regal garden]

?

so this is the solution?

[quick lake]

hobo gonna win champion again this time?

[raven plover]

me copying Lovemos teams

[regal garden]

true sportsmanship

[elder walrus]

am i just stuck at my rank until i rank up my units?

[quick lake]

Yeah seems like u are a returnee? pvp not friendly to those who left

[elder walrus]

i was but that was like... a year and half ago. ive been playing every day since then

[quick lake]

Wait for them to quit the game ig

[elder walrus]

i missed out on some of the most important units unfortunatly before i took an interest in PVP it seems. no s.anis or emilia

[atomic wolf]

Hi darksydephil

[elder walrus]

who is that?

[shell hazel]

I mean rank 14 is only 10% more CP than you, some of this looks within range if you play cards right

probably the top 10 is harder to crack into with cp jumps

[crystal flicker]

Yeah that D1 definitely beatable

[upper grove]

Can the CA teams be improved? The 4RL moran team and the SG team are my main concerns, rosanna is fake, no real invest

[shell hazel]

4RL moran is dead in the water, you need to speed that up. Remove Rh for someone faster

or slow cindy down to 2.5 or 3RL and put Helm over to speed up Moran, I'm kind of in the camp that Cindy team doesn't need Helm to work

[upper grove]

I could swap rh and helm for 2x 3RL instead

[quick lake]

do u have his teams? im out of date from recent CAs

[shell hazel]

I think that would be better, RH doesn't do loads on the cindy team though

still preferable though than what you have. I've cooked up some insanity lol so I'll post my teams in a bit

[elder walrus]

ok, i just googled that name dats crazy to be assosiated with that

[quick lake]

Yeah, in a similar position as you. The cp difference really hard to overcome imo.

[elder walrus]

we'll overcome this gap

[upper grove]

Yeah idk who else to slot in cindy team instead though

[shell hazel]

yeah you can't use her burst, at least she's low feed and it may keep 3RL

with CA I had to make some compromises also

[upper grove]

The struggles man

[quick lake]

Dont use Cindy

Slow gen, forces to use THelm, countered by Noah

[shell hazel]

I can see the logic but I wouldn't have a better DPS to use in her place really

my Cindy is pretty built so I'll send her for now

Noah can only be on one opponent team 🙂

[quick lake]

Yeah

[upper grove]

I could slot naga in cindy team and swap rosanna for RH in SG, still 3RL and my rosanna is not built, naga has some investment

[shell hazel]

most of the good dps aren't high burst gen either

[upper grove]

My Ein is terrible

[quick lake]

Can do 5x SG if ur Rosanna isnt invested

[shell hazel]

lapT and Emilia aside anyway

[quick lake]

Ironically, I think 2 full SG teams are a good budget CA teams

[shell hazel]

uninvested Ros can still work it depends how invested your opponents are to some degree as well

[upper grove]

My only invested SG units are drake, bsoda and naga