pvp-arena

[bleak shale]

tbh even if i was in CA i wouldnt invest silver unlucky frame is my perma frame cuz unlucky

i dont even use my solo raid frames anymore

[knotty fern]

what is reg soda investment for ca?

im seeing more scarlet soda every ca

[leaden gull]

Scarlet and Emilia do

[swift mango]

Well, you could getting your account name permanently listed on a ranking that stick forever.

[umbral crown]

4-4-4

[umbral crown]

i see, so the rest does not have any?

[leaden gull]

Out of those 5 no

[bleak shale]

or i can get more gems

[umbral crown]

i see, try to give them OL and SR doll. i will give you teams but keep in my your cp might be low but invest on them when you have the chance

[leaden gull]

I'll be able to get a better idea of what I can invest once collab units are announced

[swift mango]

maybe 600 more gem comparing to 10%.

a month

[bleak shale]

600>0

[umbral belfry]

another ca season is among us

[knotty fern]

only 4-4-4 maid soda? no ol need?

[bleak shale]

as long as ur cp is fine

[knotty fern]

for ca i thought it dont matter

[bleak shale]

o yea then it doesnt really matter, OL can help u be tankier but thats about it

[raven plover]

OL and doll important on her for CA if you fight scarlet team. skill 111

[bleak shale]

how tanky u need to be depends on how strong ur opponent is

[raven plover]

[swift mango]

my soda is skill 555 because I use her in SpA. Better def than Siren.

[umbral crown]

☆☆☆ SP Defense ☆☆☆
Ein/Blanc/Red Hood/X.Maiden/Centi
Scarlet/LaplaceT/M.Anchor/Siren/Jackal
Rapunzel/Noah/Cinderella/HelmT/Emilia

[swift mango]

There is almost no way for a lower invested dude to get around Soda stun lol.

[crystal flicker]

T3 Auto

[knotty fern]

i saw siren scarlet beat soda scarlet on ca team onces so far

im inexperience anyway, just curious.

[swift mango]

Soda need to be p1 and linked

[leaden gull]

So out of those I should work on getting OL for Noah, Centi, Rapunzel. Any other investment recommendations?

[crystal flicker]

Scarlet P1 with tons of ammo easily countered by Siren

[leaden gull]

First time I’ve built one not using Biscuit 🫡

[umbral crown]

emilia with 21% charge speed, Noise also, trina, rumani and moran

[umbral crown]

its for a faster team

give a try, if not we can always change it

[leaden gull]

Last time I updated teams was mid Feb so thought it’s time I should refresh them

[umbral crown]

X.maiden doll its done

21

the legal number

[umbral crown]

yeah

[raven plover]

never use soda for spa

[haughty mortar]

The 3 PVP Nikke are uninvested, and basically naked

[raven plover]

ayo?

[haughty mortar]

Just the way I like me

[crystal flicker]

That's why you need to give them minimum invest

[haughty mortar]

So 4 across with some gear?

[crystal flicker]

Dolls if possible

[haughty mortar]

That is a definite negatory.

Will check this tomorrow. TY!

[raven plover]

they gonna shuffle CA as well right

[umbral crown]

its done already

[raven plover]

wait you can check the players already?

[umbral crown]

you can not till team forming time is done

[raven plover]

so we dont know then

[umbral crown]

we will never know till friday

[raven plover]

I wonder if I still meet @covert lintel

[umbral crown]

time to re cook and hope for the best

[swift mango]

What's 21?

[knotty fern]

is 2 tier 11 consider too much

[umbral crown]

the 21 doll, X.Maiden

[crystal flicker]

Yes

[swift mango]

Let them gacha the fight.

[umbral crown]

more than ready for CA

[knotty fern]

should i be worry or nah

[raven plover]

nah we wing it

[swift mango]

Ironically the guy who have good Arena def in my bracket are the whales.

[raven plover]

shuffled fr

[knotty fern]

imagine intentionally lowering ammo just for siren , feel not worth it

[raven plover]

its worth as long as you dont go for indom scarlet

[quick lake]

rarely see indom scar nowadays anyways

[raven plover]

me and my indom scar

[crystal flicker]

Am I cooking?

[swift mango]

losing to 3rl Noah stall.

[raven plover]

https://tenor.com/view/gülmek-komik-gif-12950352696137374051

[swift mango]

The manga just finished too. At ch29. Another good series that doesn't overstay its welcome.

https://mangadex.org/title/3a9a475f-5051-4e2b-ba4d-10ff9ed4e3e1/nokori-ichinichi-de-hametsu-flag-zenbu-heshiorimasu-zamaa-rta-kiroku-24hr

I just remember, this is a very good villainess manga too if you didn't try it.

@crystal flicker @shell hazel

[knotty fern]

if i just put scarlet p3 or p2 i don’t have to worry about stun then and i don’t have to brick my scarlet

[strong hull]

If Noah isnt in p1 so Siren can still stun her?@swift mango

[quick lake]

no

[strong hull]

[raven plover]

siren p1 p2 can :worrythink:

[swift mango]

Noah will taunt P1-2 siren and get stunned. Exception being 2 cases.

• Slower CS Noise steal Noah taunt.

• Noah is in a 2rl team with everyone 11% CS. Or the one that make the team burst being 11% Cs. SR only need 5-8%.

[crystal flicker]

SP easy, CA will be harder to split them

[swift mango]

To beat, Scar Siren Trina it's easy, people don't need Noah, they could just use Scar Blanc because Siren feeds a ton.

[raven plover]

classic scar blanc 🗣️ 🔥

[strong hull]

So

If Siren isnt p1 2 stun wont affect?

[swift mango]

If Siren isn't p1-2 then she won't be taunted and will stun p1.

[strong hull]

[swift mango]

Are you done trying out the comic I recommend? Anything suit your taste? You feel like the kind of reader that read an on going manga to the lastest chapter and drop it though. Are you?.

[strong hull]

Yea im reading rn

Tbh theyre good

Just done Depink's rcm one

Now im reading the infinity gacha one

[swift mango]

Answer my last question.

[strong hull]

Ofc not

Wanna see ED and his harem in the next chapter

Bro carried hard

[swift mango]

[crystal flicker]

These 2 has been on my bookmark since last year

[strong hull]

So if Noah p3 and siren p2

Can she stun noah?

[crystal flicker]

Are you high

[bleak shale]

If u taunt siren

She shoots Noah no matter where u put noah

[strong hull]

Alr

[bleak shale]

And she stuns after shooting some1 x times

[strange rain]

Can anyone please help me build Champion arena teams ?

[swift mango]

Yes.

Unless CS or Noise stealing taunt

[primal charm]

no i want gem

[strong hull]

[swift mango]

Just go with Blanc on ASS

[primal charm]

or blanc emilia nuke

3

[crystal flicker]

1. Add Trina and Noah to wishlist
2. What's your Scarlet's OL line?

[swift mango]

it's hard to get indom on right target without Biscuit or jackal though. So beware.

[crystal flicker]

Try max Scarlet S1 & Burst, Mari Burst, Rosa S2, and give Noise Tempering cube (or Vigor if you don't have)

[keen vapor]

Max Mari burst :doro wut da hell:

[glad glade]

Between these two scar teams, the RH team would win, correct?

[atomic wolf]

it depends on which 2rl scar team is faster

let's review this a bit, both team has the capability to one shot the others

while the latter is weaker than the former in term of one shot capability, the latter has a biscuit which means if hits splashes maiden all the way down to 50% the second team wins but that's very unlikely to happen

since both team have the same burst time we have to count it tick by tick

[glad glade]

So a coinflip. From what I understand, the team with the higher CS wins by a frame. Since the RH team (me) is naturally a 2 RL and his is a natural 2.5 RL, would that mean that I have the frame advantage or is it purely based on CS?

[atomic wolf]

ok but take this into consideration

i want you to remove everything but red hood + centi and biscuit + xmaiden and put it in any fight

turn on auto, and see which one is faster

from the looks of it, your team (red hood) is more likely to burst slower than the latter despite it being faster by RL count mostly because you have a sniper in your team

they have 2 RL users even if Biscuit has abysmal burst gen rate, since she's still charging faster than your Red Hood

and Centi sure as hell cannot carry against 2RL users when it comes to that, at all

[glad glade]

I see your point

And I will take it. Thank you

[atomic wolf]

mhm

@umbral belfry how's your progress on building CA team

[pearl fractal]

How to win?

[knotty fern]

i have nero sr10 with 10/10/7 is good to put her on CA right now or should i wait for heavier investment

[pearl fractal]

My units

[past marsh]

Looks good, could consider using Nero should you want to build a separate team

[pearl fractal]

ping me when someone has an answer to this

[sonic sonnet]

what do you need in a good shotgun team in pvp?

[onyx scaffold]

shotgun

[onyx scaffold]

focus on making 2 teams only
enemy run scarlet jackal
u can counter by running scarlet blanc jackal
=> scar blanc trina centi jackal
enemy run sbs
u can counter by running noah biscuit. because u dont have noah, can use rumani instead. sbs damage is single target + distributed. dps can be summer anis or sbs too. put helm in for burst gen
rumani biscuit sbs helm pepper

[onyx scaffold]

shotgun team is easily countered in spa if u have needed units.
if u want to make a sg team for CA. just shotgun bullshiet goes brrr.

usually people run 3 shotgun with rosanna b1, anne b2. pepper and viper work too. need to note that "clip SG" have better burst gen. they are:

[swift mango]

Max Mari...

[pearl fractal]

hows this CP is it gonna work out?

[onyx scaffold]

round 1 will lose for low cp

round 2 might win

round 3 might win

go for it bro

actually

i think u should get some more cp

to have a chance of winning round 1

[onyx scaffold]

get 182577 cp for round 1

maybe throwing cube

[pearl fractal]

i lost

[onyx scaffold]

round 1 and 2?

it would be easy win if u use that team 2 for round 1

cuz that is 344k vs 215k

[atomic wolf]

CA, needs some opinions

i am guaranteed to never make it to top 64

[sonic sonnet]

oh ok, thanks!

[heavy geode]

Need for two more teams in PvP. Any ideas?

[graceful grotto]

team is kinda all over the place

T1 has minimal protection, grave is very likely to die since jackal will link with rh and helm

team 2 moran is very susceptible to siren, and also moran alone not sure able to tank through 3RL

noah + biscuit is safe, but if it's 3RL you're not protecting against a 2RL nuke

team 4 siren is quite risky at that position

team 5 sbs has no protection

[crystal flicker]

T1 is deadweight, better give the resource to the other team
Jackal to P5 to make it 2.5RL and a chance to get 2RL with feeds
HelmT to T3 for 2RL Cindy

T2 better run full SG if possible
T4 make sure Scarlet ammo is under 30

Use whatever for 5th team

[atomic wolf]

I'm expert team builder (unofficial)

[atomic wolf]

How is 2rl nuke doing better against 3rl noah biscuit though, becausw noah burst should be up the moment their b3 comes up tho

[graceful grotto]

@quick lake

[graceful grotto]

That's 2.5RL, 3RL Noah won't be able to catch 2RL nuke

[atomic wolf]

Hmm

[crystal flicker]

Except against Cindy

Since her Nuke is 2 phase

or 10 phase

[atomic wolf]

If you cant block the first hit might as well be dead tbh

@graceful grotto @crystal flicker any team recs

Except for anything involved with Blanc

She has NEVER worked for me and WILL NEVER work for me

[crystal flicker]

If you're well invested, 1 wave won't kill (except water)

The very reason 3RL Noah will block 2.5 or 2 RL Cindy Nuke

[graceful grotto]

Hmmm what units u don't have?

Here's mine for reference

[atomic wolf]

The good ones

[graceful grotto]

No Blanc too

I mean I have Blanc but I ain't using her in this CA

[atomic wolf]

Like noise, emilia

[atomic wolf]

Second team might looks like a hoax ngl

[graceful grotto]

It's a SG suicide team lol, drake is meant to be KOed in that one hahaha

[atomic wolf]

Interesting

[graceful grotto]

If only I have Rosanna

She would be great in place of siren hahaha

[atomic wolf]

there is a lots to say when it comes to the burning question of anti-siren

its hard to counter all siren so its rather i'm building upon the foundation that if they have a siren team, it's wasted on a weak team i had

[graceful grotto]

I tried, it kinda screwed up my team against other better team

So I just decided to have some siren counter but not all

[atomic wolf]

what i tried previous season

sure you could say this is complete horse come

the problem here is that there is effectively NO real answer to this problem

playing around it makes me waste 500 seconds of my lifespan to think only to lose round 1

[crystal flicker]

I'm not stealing this

[graceful grotto]

You need to check the survivability, the problem with your team comp is they all lack some form of way for them to survive till burst

[graceful grotto]

U climb higher than me wdym

[oblique ridge]

Deployed my CA teams

[crystal flicker]

Lose is lose tho

[oblique ridge]

I think it'll do badly this time because I didn't upgrade anyone

[crystal flicker]

I still need to gamble last CS line for HelmT

[oblique ridge]

But I want to take a break and see collab

[graceful grotto]

I upgrade mostly SR unit hahaha

I just wanna chill for CA since rewards are still meh hahaha

[oblique ridge]

Yep

[graceful grotto]

I spent 30 rocks on Emilia, nada

[oblique ridge]

I could literally take a break for 6 months from sweating CA and not worry too much

Last CA season, I knee jerked 4 rocks on Emilia and got her to 9% charge speed from 0% (total with skills: 22%)

Uh.. I guess that's lucky

[graceful grotto]

[atomic wolf]

actually

that is the wrong order hold on

[oblique ridge]

That's almost the classic Cindy team, but you're using Biscuit

Noise AWOL

[atomic wolf]

horse shit yeah dont comment on it

i dont have noise and i want to cut my wrist

[oblique ridge]

Oh

[atomic wolf]

anyways, remember the whole noah taunt thing

i think i know how to effectively use that into advantage now

[graceful grotto]

Yeah noise is crucial for Cindy Noah team

She helps the survivability without needing biscuit

So biscuit can go defend units like Moran/centi/rumani or whatever

[atomic wolf]

noah taunt into splash forces enemy to go 1.5RL

[oblique ridge]

He seems to know, I spoke without thinking about the possibility he didn't have Noise in roster

Huh? How does that work?

[graceful grotto]

Sad noise

[atomic wolf]

i am assuming

[oblique ridge]

Wait, 1.5RL is scary

[graceful grotto]

He trolling lmao

[atomic wolf]

or something similar, the point is

i am not?

[graceful grotto]

1.5RL? I never heard of that lol

[oblique ridge]

You're trying to get enemy to burst Noah too early?

[atomic wolf]

well i dont evne believe it exists

[atomic wolf]

YES, that's the point

i was wondering why i keep winning cindy mirror matchup

now i understand

[graceful grotto]

Prolly a full MG team with a Cindy leftmost versing a jackal + helmT + Emilia + Trina + Centi

[oblique ridge]

But it lasts 3 seconds starting after a small delay once Noah bursts? That's a lot of time.. 3s is essentially 3RL

You'd have to get your B3 nuke to occur sometime later than 4.5RL time

[atomic wolf]

that's when bursting late comes in

since both have blocked b3, the only thing standing between them is basically normal attacks

[graceful grotto]

The only reason you want Noah to burst early, is when you're using attacker Emilia

[oblique ridge]

Oh. So counting on having more powered basic attacks and other buffs

[graceful grotto]

If you're like a 4/4.5RL team, you'll prolly die anyway with them bursting and your team not bursting or some form of protection

Unless you hard counter them like having biscuit + defender against a B3 red hood

[oblique ridge]

You mean this is basically what was happening to you already, and you were winning?

[graceful grotto]

[oblique ridge]

I guess it makes sense if both teams run out of heals after FB ends and start killing each other, and your team was slower to leave that state

[strong hull]

[atomic wolf]

yeah

[graceful grotto]

Then it depends on which taunt ends earlier hahaha, and relying on Cindy auto hit

https://tenor.com/view/nikke-cinderella-murasaki-gif-10995239731836194215

[graceful grotto]

[strong hull]

[graceful grotto]

Oh that's hime

her scar burst didn't kill ur team?

[atomic wolf]

yeah it's uh

funny?

[graceful grotto]

Hime Need some explanation to do

[atomic wolf]

@oblique ridge for the record this is what i'm talking about

it took me a WHILE

to realize this

i'm still skeptical of the result because i forgot to record it myself

but it could be that because of noah taunt this happened

[worthy knoll]

Helm burst

[atomic wolf]

you still dont get it

scarlet burst is supposed to wipe clean everyone there

if she does not kill everyone by the moment she bursts, you're using her wrong

[worthy knoll]

I'm using her wrong?

[worthy knoll]

You can't 1.5 RL unless its already 1.5 RL from the get go. Well there maybe some truth assuming Noah taunting 2 Clip RLs with 26% CS

[worthy knoll]

Yeah I guess I am using her wrong. She deals 1 damage with her burst and normal atk

Enemy then just flicks everyone after Biscuit S2 expires 😂

[atomic wolf]

revamped (YES i am expert teambuilder)

btw i forgot to switch liter to p4

[graceful grotto]

Why not swap viper to T5? Your T1 is pretty much screwed anyway

[atomic wolf]

for what

[graceful grotto]

Viper is not treasure right? Full SG nuke

[atomic wolf]

actually, on second thought, nihilister is more likely to die

[atomic wolf]

not treasure

hmm

@graceful grotto

[graceful grotto]

Welp i can see 4 decently built team

Last team can try when you got the units

Or when we get more pvp meta

[atomic wolf]

eh coock

I am not lucky enough

[wild patio]

I think Im save at c6 @loud sonnet

https://tenor.com/view/master-oogway-kung-fu-panda-inner-peace-gif-11501576

[loud sonnet]

I was able to evade hsy

until lanius take back his c4

[wild patio]

my only thread is pix and alambi but they havent atk so far

[loud sonnet]

Pix is targeting me tomorrow he will break my def

Not sure about alambi

[unique mountain]

[hollow lagoon]

What to do for this CA

[unique mountain]

Make teams

[desert musk]

on what way should I show you guys my team for help? just taking screenshot?

[keen vapor]

It's explained on pinned messages ☝️

@wise horizon did you saw your new teams?

[keen vapor]

[wise horizon]

hey! yeah i did but it features Trina who i dont have >.<

[keen vapor]

@tropic summit you've failed me

[turbid oyster]

this is currently the best pvp team right?

[keen vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/mushu-mulan-dishonor-shame-gif-11143467

[keen vapor]

Scarlet P2 Trina P3

One of the best yes

[shell hazel]

if soda doesn't link isn't she likely to die though?

my version of that think it's trina and scarlet that link 😄

[wise horizon]

He didn’t fail you. I’m just a failure for not pulling Trina

[turbid oyster]

oh i see, i will try to get her atk as high as possibler

man, i played the game from launch and i still have yet to get sugar

[shell hazel]

I need Rumani, Hime has stolen her and won't release her

[shell hazel]

it depends how tough you built her and if she links tbh, you'd have to check

[keen vapor]

He failed me you didn't had invested Scarlet either and for that she shouldn't be considered

Rail will pay for his mistakes

Dishonor on his cow

[keen vapor]

Mine doesn't links

[shell hazel]

yeah is why I said good to check in case she doesn't, but if she doesn't she'd need an SR doll and some OL prob

[raven plover]

https://tenor.com/view/thor-ragnarok-hmm-skeptical-suspicious-gif-26912514

[rich ledge]

How is this for champion arena?

[granite dock]

Can anyone recommend the 3 best defend teams for Special Arena? I have all the PvP characters, but zero PvP knowledge. I just want to hold Diamond 3, and my current defense isn't doing the job.

[jolly maple]

how to cook

[rich ledge]

Maybe this instead

[coarse solstice]

Do you have Bay?

[rich ledge]

Bay is not trained and not overloaded can she be used as is?

[coarse solstice]

Yep just needs armor and safe positioning

[coarse solstice]

Make helm 2 RL with bay and you'll be in great shape

[rich ledge]

Hmm if 2RL means I'm not doing moran and biscuit here?

[coarse solstice]

2rl Helm with bay is more consistent imo. Moran is pretty tanky with out biscuit. I like biscuit with Blanc or Noah.

[rich ledge]

If 2RL I need to move rumani from scarlet team to helm team and replace biscuit and anchor with rumani and bay

Because my Blanc is with SG team so it's not suitable to put biscuit and I don't have noah

[fiery parcel]

Can i beat this team? Both are 2RL

[coarse solstice]

What about this

[signal hull]

At this CP difference I'd say you need some other dps than Cindy. RH, SBS, S.Anis... Someone who'd keep attacking after Noah absorbs first strike.

[fiery parcel]

All are still 2RL, but higher %

[signal hull]

Idk, my personal favorite in this situation would always be RH, but 99% of people here don't much like her for w/e reason.

[hoary hill]

Top of the food chain lol

Just out of spite i beat both of them cuz they put me to 3 place in challenger

First old 3 challenger then 4 challenger who was 1 place

[signal hull]

You go, girl.

[hoary hill]

Lol

Why girl when iam a man

[covert lintel]

Sanis, sbs will win

[coarse solstice]

This might be even better tbh.

[keen vapor]

He's jim Gordon, best Batman partner

[rich ledge]

Ok I'll rearrange it

[umbral belfry]

I'm not changing anything, don't really have a need to. if anything I'd just change team order. I did beef up a wee bit though

[wet crystal]

Consecutive champion?

[umbral belfry]

i mean if it happens

I already completed my goal for CA, so now I'm just

one win is enough for me but I wouldn't exactly say no to another one lmao

maybe when another PvE unit comes out or if I think about experimenting I'll do something different

I miss using alice in pvp

[shell hazel]

Hime gimme Rumani

[umbral belfry]

hurry and get her before CA starts

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/nod-yes-ducky-duck-duckling-gif-10909093

[umbral belfry]

siren stunned sbs, and then helm nuked link (scar, siren, jackal)

scar's dmg there is from her s2 counter

that's why(at least for ca), I like to separate her from 2 rl cindy teams bc she's very good on her own due to her nuke

not to say 2 rl cindy is bad, but when you lose to a 3 rl cindy team

part of the reason why I switched

[shell hazel]

2.5RL cindy time

[umbral belfry]

need cs rolls

[shell hazel]

I may have some

[umbral belfry]

I'm almost done with helm rolls rn

[umbral belfry]

gimme

[shell hazel]

I need to roll Helm

I'll give you rolls when you gimme Rumani

[umbral belfry]

[shell hazel]

won't have her this CA certainly, I'm hoping to grab her whilst I go for the SB units

[umbral belfry]

soon

[coarse solstice]

I might get Noah to 17 before CA... 💪

[umbral belfry]

believe in rock rng

[coarse solstice]

Just her being at 15 or 16 so I can dodge siren is amazing

[atomic wolf]

good tell me which team order did you use

https://tenor.com/view/yuina-shirakawa-yuina-shirakawa-heaven-burns-red-hbr-yuina-gif-10120368165752689816

[umbral belfry]

I haven't even set my own team up yet

[atomic wolf]

back to the heaven burns red mine

[shell hazel]

as I understand it 15% = 17% essentially

[coarse solstice]

The last two times I've used RNG to order my teams

[shell hazel]

there are breakpoints, someone worked it out

[umbral belfry]

I'm at 12 cs helm rn but if I try to get a last cs line I'd have to reroll an ele and atk lines

[coarse solstice]

I'll make a plan get into my own head then flip a coin for what strat I use

[umbral belfry]

and that's no bueno

[atomic wolf]

look at these people investing in pvp

[shell hazel]

#pvp-arena message

this is the CS% and frame data, so 15-17% is grouped

[coarse solstice]

Charge speed on Helm is good, even outside of PVP

[umbral belfry]

ura is the real pvp investor. i'm still hybrid

[atomic wolf]

i dont play w real life money so i invest in nothing but campaign

[umbral belfry]

peolly after im done with helm I'll work on my cindy bc she needs it bad

[shell hazel]

CS is also rounded in a weird way

[umbral belfry]

and then maybe I'll do cs stuff

[rich ledge]

Seems like there's nowhere to slot in siren

[coarse solstice]

You don't need her. She's a luxury if you have the speed on a certain team

[unique mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/incredibles-confused-supersuit-demand-wheres-my-supersuit-gif-5551061

[umbral belfry]

I don't recommend helm in pos2

she can easily get taunted and if her nuke hits an unintended target that's oof

[shell hazel]

Helm - 4.92%
Chest - 4.92%
Gloves - 4.60%
Boots - 4.2%

Grouped/Rounded (duplicates are first added, then the result is rounded):

(4.92% + 4.92%) = 9.84% = 10% rounded
4.60% = 5% rounded
4.2% = 4% rounded

Totals:

10 + 5 + 4 = 19%```

how I understand CS rounding to work

[umbral belfry]

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/astra-iq-gif-18092390

[quick lake]

u’re right

[shell hazel]

[umbral belfry]

reward him with a rumani

[shell hazel]

lock in

[atomic wolf]

there is no better option plus it is mostly enabling moran anyways

[umbral belfry]

fair enough, it's either bay pos2 or helm pos2 😭

ig just pray you don't vs a noise or noah in pos1/2

[coarse solstice]

Helm in pos 2 isn't terrible

[umbral belfry]

I don't wanna risk her getting taunted but that's just me

[atomic wolf]

you would think

this team is designed to play against a noise/noah team

where they're most likely paired with cindy

with no chance to win

[umbral belfry]

in rng arena anything happens matchup making

bay would block cindy's nuke iirc

[atomic wolf]

this team is designed around any other comp but cindy

[umbral belfry]

I never fought against one to know myself

but i think I've seen moran bay win vs cindy more times than not

[atomic wolf]

you can't build the entire team around everything so you just commit like i do and hope for the best

[rich ledge]

Oo so should I shift my bay behind and put helm in 2 also?

[umbral belfry]

[rich ledge]

Moran, bay, helm, xmaiden,rumani now

[umbral belfry]

bay pos2 is also

while unlikely for her cover to be gone in 2 rl, IF it does it's

hence why I do moran rumani helm bay xmaid in your case

[umbral belfry]

no bay cover = no eating nuke

[coarse solstice]

Yeah swap them for sure.

[umbral belfry]

hippo pls LMAO

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/duck-duckling-no-no-way-i-dont-agree-gif-4243311

honestly lacking her screws up so many of my team ideas 😄

right I'm sending Epinel instead

[umbral belfry]

ROLL!!!!!!

[coarse solstice]

Helm might get taunted but that's better than dying to scarlet when you should have blocked it

[umbral belfry]

you have so many tickets

[rich ledge]

Well Im lacking Noah that's worse

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/gollum-doubt-thinking-guess-what-day-is-it-gif-53868764009581755

[umbral belfry]

hippo there could be a rumani waiting for u in one of your rolls

[shell hazel]

there could be, but I need to wait for arcana and K to be added

[umbral belfry]

[shell hazel]

then I can maybe get some new units for the pokedex

[umbral belfry]

tsk tsk

[shell hazel]

I waited this far, by next CA I will have her or not 😦

[umbral belfry]

got flashbacks to that oni vs cup fight 😭

[atomic wolf]

hmm

keep cooking form e

i'll be playing deltarune chapter FOUR TODAY

[umbral belfry]

I got a baaaaad feeling that my moran team is gonna fight a defending SG this time

I've been avoiding them for too long

and when that happens I'm cooked lmao

[atomic wolf]

to be fair if you think about it

our bracket has nonexistent shotgun team

[umbral belfry]

not exactly

[atomic wolf]

in term of investment

[umbral belfry]

some (not all) SGs teams are decent enough to win in our bracket

a very very few amount though

[coarse solstice]

My shotgun team and cups are definitely pretty invested

[atomic wolf]

good thing they all face scarlet

[umbral belfry]

but when they run into big counters (eg bisc def) that's an automatic loss

[atomic wolf]

just get better

[umbral belfry]

my sg rosa team won against a scar team 😭

apparently they can also win against a scar jack team but I'm unsure how

as long as rosa is decent enough and lives there's hope in a jackal-less scar team

[coarse solstice]

I mean it would just have to be bad team building shooting a unlinked character

[umbral belfry]

bc she'll just nuke off scar

[shell hazel]

rosa breaks the jackal link I think if she removes it

[umbral belfry]

yeah she does

[atomic wolf]

it requires godly luck or the scarjack team is painfully slow with jackal undefended like it's rin tohsaka's ass

[coarse solstice]

I always forget about that debuff

[umbral belfry]

but they'd have sm feed at that time

rosa dispelling trina's buff for scar also helps

my own sg rosa team is okay? it's mostly my drake naga and rosa that do most of the work

thanks 7 10 10 rosa

[shell hazel]

I got gloves for Rosa so I can OL them soon but I'm working on PVE team for nihil 22 hard

[umbral belfry]

soda and noir are particularly for sacc so it works there

[atomic wolf]

@umbral belfrybtw guess whether or not team 1/5 has a chance to win against anything at all

[umbral belfry]

I'm right behind you on MW hard

[shell hazel]

I did that recently 🙂

[umbral belfry]

can you show it to me again or tell me what it is?

my meemaw memory

[upbeat trench]

are the resources in the pins still up to date

[umbral belfry]

should be

[upbeat trench]

kk thanks

[atomic wolf]

Here

[shell hazel]

soon

[umbral belfry]

going from nihil to mw and then nihil again is diabolical

[shell hazel]

it is, I did MW at like 300 ish

[umbral belfry]

wait how am I a higher sync level than you

[shell hazel]

I don't think I can do Nihil until 321

[umbral belfry]

what have you done to that t1 😭

[shell hazel]

you locked in earlier? 😄

when did you start playing Hime?

[placid bloom]

they should've started after me I think

and I started after you

[umbral belfry]

uhhhh I guess it would win against slower teams? 😭

[upbeat trench]

oh god i dont understand any of this [the pins]

[placid bloom]

[umbral belfry]

during the 2024 Xmas event

[shell hazel]

when did you start? 😛

[umbral belfry]

I'm only 312 though. but still i am ahead

[placid bloom]

I started 3 days before Old Tales ended I think

[shell hazel]

yeah you're ahead, I started early nov 2024, like 1st Nov

[placid bloom]

it was just barely enough to full clear the event

[shell hazel]

but I don't really buy levels or anything

[umbral belfry]

I think for me it was sometime during dec

[shell hazel]

if you're not min/maxing core dust purchases it's weird you're higher sync than me 😛

[umbral belfry]

[shell hazel]

did you buy any cd packs? most of mine is just f2p level resources

[umbral belfry]

I did a bit, not recently though

[placid bloom]

I'm only sync 281 and I haven't converted any battle data so that's kind of the reference point you're working with

[umbral belfry]

my focus is leaning toward preparing for next hsr patch

[coarse solstice]

@atomic wolf still makes my eyes crossed when I see how low his clears are in hard mode....

[umbral belfry]

if anything it'd just be the daily packs and that's it

[shell hazel]

I do all the hard mode extra tries etc

[umbral belfry]

I regret doing this ngl

[shell hazel]

I wipe out 2-3x per day as well 🙂

[placid bloom]

yeah the rate is not worth, it's like 350m for 1 level worth of dust

[shell hazel]

I did convert basically all my extra bd to cd

but now I have a bd shortage

[umbral belfry]

that'll teach you to brick your acc

[placid bloom]

I think it's fine to covert like 2-3 levels a year, that's roughly how much excess you get I think?

but more than that and it actually does eat into the rate your outpost generates it

[umbral belfry]

too much math for me to calculate

[shell hazel]

I can almost get to 312 will hit it today

[umbral belfry]

oh wait that reminds me to check outpost

[shell hazel]

can't really explain the higher level unless you bought a lot more cd than I have somewhere, I'm ahead on campaign

[atomic wolf]

@umbral belfry wrong one oops

[shell hazel]

I've otherwise maxed all the available cd I can in the game

[umbral belfry]

[placid bloom]

I don't remember how much cd you get from mission pass and gacha skin pities

[shell hazel]

I always buy the event tries, always buy up the shops (inc the broken core one)

[umbral belfry]

loses to slower/worse teams i guess sure. but if nihil dies your speed is gonna tank

[shell hazel]

not really much/any, most comes from other packs

[placid bloom]

but I do know it adds up, because the 2nd rank guy in my Arks record is still in ch32 for NM campaign but he's only 1 sync behind

[shell hazel]

you can kind of get a feel for it from commander level to sync level

[umbral belfry]

I don't remember how much mission pass gives

[atomic wolf]

If she lands two shots I can win

[shell hazel]

what commander level are you Hime?

[umbral belfry]

I only buy for the costume really

[umbral belfry]

I forget, lemme check it's loading rn

like 345 ish?

[shell hazel]

I'm commander 395 / sync 311

[umbral belfry]

346

[umbral belfry]

[shell hazel]

that gap has to be extra purchased cd can't really come from anything else 😛

[umbral belfry]

no I'm f2p trust believe me

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/will-ferrell-elf-buddy-the-elf-throne-of-lies-christmas-gif-1174038786188830953

[umbral belfry]

[placid bloom]

it's time for you to start buying cd with gems in general shop

[shell hazel]

eh I could buy levels and things but doing alright without, also kind of feel like you rush the end game 😄

I have started using the 10 cd/crates per day from resource pack for levels though, before I was using on skill books

I didn't have that running from day 1 though, I was noobing about for a month or so prob

[umbral belfry]

resource pack?

[shell hazel]

the $15 monthly one

[umbral belfry]

ohhh

[coarse solstice]

Same here never spent a cent

[umbral belfry]

I believe you

[shell hazel]

just dollars ? 😛

[coarse solstice]

Plastic doesn't count 💯👌

Basically Monopoly money

[shell hazel]

hehe

[placid bloom]

just spend Bitcoin

[shell hazel]

the old amex trick

[odd lantern]

I'm sceptical that the commander level tells you whether you are f2p

Me f2p account is lvl 473/sync 362

[umbral belfry]

[umbral belfry]

i was joking 😭

[primal charm]

when did you start your account

[wet crystal]

No one whales in our bracket

[coarse solstice]

I feel like everyone has a story like this. I went to buy 30 bitcoins back when they were like 20 each. My lady caught me and yelled because internet money isn't real and it's stupid to buy...

[shell hazel]

01/11/2024

[umbral belfry]

all f2p here

[primal charm]

i was at 3/10/24

[primal charm]

and what sync you are at rn

im at 318 rn

[shell hazel]

311

basically 312 will hit today

[odd lantern]

3-10 = march 10?

[shell hazel]

october

[coarse solstice]

How can you tell?

[shell hazel]

non US date time, like sensible people 😄

[umbral belfry]

booo tomato

[shell hazel]

tomatooo

[atomic wolf]

i am

[umbral belfry]

[atomic wolf]

the ONLY person that did not spend a single dime and i am still reading

what bull crap you just worte

[umbral belfry]

it was hippo

[placid bloom]

actually I'm the only person that truly has not spent, you bought mission pass skins

[shell hazel]

what's the problem? 😄

[umbral belfry]

kuwon true f2p status

[shell hazel]

what are we sorry for?

[umbral belfry]

[shell hazel]

serious question!

[umbral belfry]

something tells me you both have each other blocked 😭

[shell hazel]

who is blocked?

[primal charm]

do you do dispatch reroll daily?

[shell hazel]

I do yes

1-2x max though it's not worth malding too hard, will just see what I get

[primal charm]

i roll for cd till 6 slot remain

[atomic wolf]

it was not my money, i literally robbed three people for 50$ total

[shell hazel]

I want doll mats mostly

[shell hazel]

I don't read blocked messages who do you mean?

[umbral belfry]

I beg your pardon

[atomic wolf]

you think i'd lie to you just for contents

[wet crystal]

Tactical (?) Whaling

@shell hazel did you get thru ch22 hard?

[atomic wolf]

it's called "dysfunctional investment"

[shell hazel]

I'm working on it sir

[umbral belfry]

you're not locked in enough

[shell hazel]

#pvp-arena message

[umbral belfry]

• me, a chapter behind

[shell hazel]

I don't think I can get it before 321 sync

[umbral belfry]

lock in!

[wet crystal]

Same, the clear there was 321 sync and 513k cp right

[umbral belfry]

mother whale is gonna be the bane of my existence lord help me

[shell hazel]

yup

[umbral belfry]

I don't wanna mald

[shell hazel]

I found a good video and I had the units I can share it Hime, you should be strong enough

[wet crystal]

Got thru via rng crown/rapi/siren/cindy/helm

[umbral belfry]

sir I'm not even 500k cp 😭

[wet crystal]

What is your push team cp atm?

[umbral belfry]

don't make me build pve please no

[umbral belfry]

with that team?

it's so over for me LMAO

[wet crystal]

Main pve team or sniper mw team

[shell hazel]

I was curious where you got to after 3 months Hime, I can see it's like this

[umbral belfry]

I miss using sbs

[umbral belfry]

is that me?

how do you even have this LMAO

[shell hazel]

discord search

[umbral belfry]

[wet crystal]

Did you not have crown 3mo ago

[umbral belfry]

forced to invest more into my pve team just for mw and nihil

[wet crystal]

[umbral belfry]

do you think my meemaw memory would remember that

[shell hazel]

mine was like this so we were pretty close after 3 months 😄

but you took off more since it seems 😛

[umbral belfry]

wtf is tbis on my crown 😭

[wet crystal]

Naga disappeared after helm t

[umbral crown]

Gonna wait 501 sync to best him in hard 21

[shell hazel]

yeah she really did

[umbral belfry]

501?!?!

[shell hazel]

helm T burst gen too good

[umbral belfry]

lord help me

[umbral crown]

Si

[umbral belfry]

I guess it's time to kiss pvp investments goodbye for a bit

[wet crystal]

That's long

[umbral belfry]

my precious rocks

[umbral crown]

Im almost 381 but skill issuea

[umbral belfry]

lock in rosy

[umbral crown]

[wet crystal]

Crown? At least there ammo

[umbral belfry]

yes 😭

wait until.you see my rrh rolls

[umbral crown]

Just 121 levels

[umbral belfry]

the 3rd 😭

[wet crystal]

My turn on pvp invests

[umbral belfry]

my pve units are cooked

[umbral belfry]

lets trade

I bricked pve too much, this is the price I must pay

[wet crystal]

Why dont mg get buffs for charge lines~ they gotta charge up their laserz

Lots of my mg got cs and cd smh

[shell hazel]

Hime I ran this for whale

[umbral belfry]

where were all these cs lines on my RLs

[umbral belfry]

rh

[shell hazel]

used this video for method #team-building message

[umbral belfry]

wait is this finally my Alice's time to shine again

[shell hazel]

my alice wasn't good enough

[wet crystal]

I can't tap as fast as the rh in that vid used cindy instead

[umbral belfry]

wait lemme check what cp I'm at

[shell hazel]

it's not really necessary tbh

I did RH b1 at the initial one to kill 2 ports

but after that I was mainly manual Rapi

[wet crystal]

I liked how rapi can boom those mw missiles and get the ports same time

[umbral belfry]

500k is so far

[shell hazel]

[wet crystal]

Wasn't there a 476k clear?

[umbral belfry]

alice time?

[shell hazel]

I can't see it in recent ones

[umbral belfry]

my poor fingers

[shell hazel]

RH is mainly there for burst gen and to kill the ports enough, might work

[umbral belfry]

oh right I'm prolly too low to boom the core

[shell hazel]

yeah don't even try that I had no chance on that either 😄

you need to do it the old fashioned way

[umbral belfry]

lock in alice

[coarse solstice]

Why not use red hood as burst 1 with Alice bursting to bum rush the core?

[wet crystal]

The rh b1 does wonders at that cp range

[umbral belfry]

I cannot

[coarse solstice]

Oof ic

[shell hazel]

didn't work for me personally core is too tanky at that deficit

[wet crystal]

Tried to core focus at 522k, didn't work

[bleak shale]

core strat is low deficit strat

[umbral belfry]

I will mald another time, on my off day

[bleak shale]

port strat is high deficit strat

[umbral belfry]

I am indeed in high deficit

[shell hazel]

nihil 2.0 is tough also you'll need even more cp

[umbral belfry]

I miss using sbs so bad

[bleak shale]

if ur a god gamer u can time rapi bomb to kill adds iirc

[wet crystal]

Travel with sbs till boss fights

[bleak shale]

before they go hitcount

[shell hazel]

yeah I found that a bit rng but it does help

[umbral belfry]

I am a baby gamer

[wet crystal]

This was the strat

[umbral belfry]

you're right

[bleak shale]

or if ur a mega gamer u just run rapi crown mod and shoot the adds without modburst

[shell hazel]

I did get mod before it but damn would take too long to build her

[umbral belfry]

nihil mw nihil is so ass

[bleak shale]

i mean building her is just minor dps gain as long as u have the ammo

[wet crystal]

In my case, after elite mobs and crown taunt, crown was out of cover so I had to siren focus incoming missiles so crown doesnt die

[shell hazel]

amen, guy in my SPA is post 321 and beat it so is now in 24 hard :8

[bleak shale]

u dont need cover to dodge the bombs

u can just physically dodge them

[umbral belfry]

I gotta watch some clear vids

[bleak shale]

just watch mooey's

[umbral belfry]

[shell hazel]

watch the one I linked above it's good and didn't use mod 🙂

or mooeys maybe, who did he run?

[umbral belfry]

it has rh though no?

[shell hazel]

just lock in RH

[wet crystal]

How does "dodge" work, isnt it going into cover? Or is there iframe ducking in and out of cover

[umbral belfry]

it's my cp that needs to lock in

[bleak shale]

crown rapi rh cindy mod

[shell hazel]

yeah a lot of clears had mod, I doubt Hime has built mod 😛

[bleak shale]

we're pretty sure cindy is not the way tho, alice or smth should be better

[umbral belfry]

[bleak shale]

theres physically no iframe ur literally just moving out of the way

[umbral belfry]

so yeah....

[shell hazel]

baby gamer confirmed 😄

[wet crystal]

Mod got the skill reset treatment

[bleak shale]

when u go into cover u take a step left, when u go into shooting position u take a step right

[umbral belfry]

🐣

[bleak shale]

the mislabeled "iframe" just confuses people who actually know what iframes are

[coarse solstice]

Jokes on you my modernia was never invested because I got her after Rapi lol

[wet crystal]

So it's hitbox?

[bleak shale]

yup

[umbral belfry]

🤝

[bleak shale]

ur literally just dodging the bullet

[wet crystal]

So this IS an fps game

[placid bloom]

it's only called that in this game because you don't have much freedom of movement, in any other game it would just be a sidestep/juke

[umbral belfry]

ironically tbis was a reason why I was leaning against playing lmao

[bleak shale]

im pretty sure its called this cuz community decided to coin it that after train

[umbral belfry]

I don't like fps games

[bleak shale]

in the early days when people didnt actually look that carefully

[placid bloom]

too late to change it now

[bleak shale]

i tried to change it when it started it was a failed effort

[umbral belfry]

I'll mald mw later

for now it's hsr time

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/honkai-star-rail-hsr-hyacine-hsr-hyacine-memosprite-gif-8839218243211194147

you get the nuke?

[umbral belfry]

not yet

[wet crystal]

Best purchase yet

[umbral belfry]

[shell hazel]

don't want? get the nuke 🙂

[wet crystal]

Firefly for quick stagnant shadows and hyacine for mat farming

[umbral belfry]

she would be nice for my mydei and cas yeah

and blade

knowing my luck in hsr I'll lose the 50/50

[wet crystal]

Is mydei better than rmc? For cas

[umbral belfry]

uhhhh I don't use rmc personally but in a cas team he's the sub dps

I think it's mydei tribbie cas hyacine?

I shouldn't have skipped tribbie

[shell hazel]

I run cas tribbie hyacine rmc

[umbral belfry]

I'll trade one rumani for tribbie

[shell hazel]

doesn't help I only have one tribbie 😦

[umbral belfry]

I had no choice but to skip her for mydei

[shell hazel]

I skipped mydei

[umbral belfry]

blocked

[shell hazel]

not you as well! 😮

[umbral belfry]

you guys have your waifu collecting game, now it's my time

[shell hazel]

at least you wont block me then moan whilst I'm blocked 😄

[umbral belfry]

[shell hazel]

ah I'm fine with it lol, no problem 🙂

I have some males in my teams, the waifu designs in HSR can be pretty weak tbh it's not really why I play it

I got Sunday and Anaxa on my Herta team

[umbral belfry]

big fan of

I also cannot roll for herta rn (again)

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/credit-card-swipe-gif-10863986

[umbral belfry]

my one true whaling in hsr is e6

[onyx scaffold]

can this one survive 2RL scarlet RH?

[shell hazel]

I think so, noah should catch the nuke at least

but not going to 100% say for certain 😛

you can promote to 2RL with helmT

[umbral belfry]

can a 2.5 noah even stop a 2 rl scar?

too lazy to check timings

[shell hazel]

there is burst delays

as long as her b2 fires before scar b3

if not then you need 2RL noah

[umbral belfry]

hmmm

[shell hazel]

we think no good?

[umbral belfry]

based on this it looks no good, granted I'm unsure how accurate this is

still seems very risky though

[jagged mesa]

guys, how much burst gen can generally be attributed to jackal feed? say, if i have a 2.5rl team built up against a typical meta pvp team, is that taking it to 2rl

i understand that depends, but just generally

and same question for scarlet retaliate as well

[umbral belfry]

if there's enough feed on the opponent side (mgs,sgs,smgs), good chance 2.5 goes to 2 yeah

I use the nikke deck to check

[jagged mesa]

oh wait is there an option to account for jackal feed? i must have missed it

[shell hazel]

I think if nikke deck says near to 90% 2RL and jackal feed is definitely being hit you'll promote to 2RL in basically all cases

[placid bloom]

you can realistically expect 10% burst gen against average set up

[umbral belfry]

no there isn't, but you can check how close you are to 2 rl and how much feed you/other team gives you

[jagged mesa]

to be honest i'm not well-read enough to understand the %s that well

[placid bloom]

it's very rare to run into a full SR/RL set up

[umbral belfry]

what team are you running?

[jagged mesa]

i just make sure it clears the threshold and thats all i understand, i guestimate the rest

oh i was just thinking of revisiting some of my teams since i still dont have noah and my 2nd spa defense team is like... 3rl i think

and i was wondering if i could build a 3rl team at base with scarlet and jackal, and let the feed take it to 2rl, while dedicating more resources to my 2nd spa defense team to make that 2rl

[umbral belfry]

a 3 rl team is fine, but not sure if 3 rl will boost to 2 rl if it'd at a low percentage

it's possible though

but again depends on opponent's team too

[jagged mesa]

no control over that on defense

[umbral belfry]

if they're running mostly RL/SR very unlikely

[jagged mesa]

but maybe i just pull noah at reset today so i have it in time for CA? IM FEELIN IT

[umbral belfry]

[jagged mesa]

im kinda hesitant to put resources into centi/anis just yet, im prayging for noah every day

i did splash on rumani though yesterday

[umbral belfry]

centi i can understand, anis

anis is last last last last laaaaast resort for me

surely clip rl for collab

[jagged mesa]

thing is, my doll situation is completely fked so literally all of my pvp units are R0

thats why im trying to shuffle around units, if jackal and scarlet feed is potentially enough to push it to 2rl from 3 or so

[umbral belfry]

it's always good to boost your batteries just for cp alone

[placid bloom]

the average rate for Scar counter + Jackal proc is 4.9% burst gen per 10 bullets, and if your p1 + 2 is linked you usually get an extra 6-8 shots worth of splash over 2 volleys

[jagged mesa]

yeah i asked that question a little while back but couldnt get a clear answer on how it's split

i think i spent like an hour trying to test it too, but couldnt come to a complete conclusion

literally sitting in gravedigger going frame by frame trying to see the max number of possible scarlet retaliates lol

[umbral belfry]

gravedigger

[placid bloom]

there's very few teams that won't feed you 10% though

[jagged mesa]

okay yeah my 2nd spa team is 4rl lmao

[umbral belfry]

what are you doing

[placid bloom]

they'd have to be intentionally doing something like 2RL Bay Helm with only RLs + Helm

[jagged mesa]

for cp purposes

[umbral belfry]

is that pos2 cindy

why I ought

[jagged mesa]

im just checking speed

i just typed in whatever order came to mind

on the site i mean

[umbral belfry]

I'm wondering if you're even cp gapping those below you though

bc if you're not then well

[clear folio]

anyone know if helm one shots cindy? or decoy takes it?

[umbral belfry]

you guys are around the same sync no?

[jagged mesa]

im not, that's my team to NOT get cp gapped

[umbral belfry]

ahhh

[jagged mesa]

behind you and folian, the rest of us are about the same synchro except my doll situation is super messed

[umbral belfry]

ehhhh, I'd still recommend making that at least 3 rl

[jagged mesa]

yeah thats why im thinking how about how much i can take away from the scarlet team

[umbral belfry]

I don't think you/dkaze/Chinese dude cp gap one another and vice versa but maybe I'm wrong

[jagged mesa]

with consideration to feed

[umbral belfry]

if it's ZZZ on the other hand then

[jagged mesa]

zzz is totally asleep now, i think they've stopped playing for a little bit

[umbral belfry]

[umbral belfry]

I haven't fought against a cindy team to confirm this but I wouldn't be surprised if it's decoy? that is ofc assuming she's highest attack

but if they add a noise on that team that seems unlikely

maybe @coarse solstice knows?

[jagged mesa]

if i move t.helm to my 2nd spa defense team, how would you fill out the rest of this roster

[umbral belfry]

could do siren (pref linked) and centi. could also do anis but big drop in cp

or rh and centi

[jagged mesa]

rh link would steal trina burst, and my centi is untouched in cp boosts... hmm

[clear folio]

assuming she can burst, if i do 2.5 cindy she loses to a cindy 3rl, this giving me a headache 😆

[umbral belfry]

your trina would be pos2 pref with tempura cube on

[jagged mesa]

oh wait true, i wouldnt need the rh link in that case cuz it'd be 2rl

[placid bloom]

you have a lot of options. p1 Mermaid to play around enemy Mermaid and Noah, p4 Centi/Anis

[jagged mesa]

i guess i need to boost centi then

[jagged mesa]

no noah on this account 😭 that's the whole issue

[umbral belfry]

well, if your question is aimed at moran bay helm vs cindy team, good chance the cindy team loses due to bay stopping her burst

[placid bloom]

not Noah on your team

I meant enemy Noah, you're not bursting Noah over Trina anyway

[jagged mesa]

ah

[umbral belfry]

i personally favor slower cindy over fast cindy in ca

helm and cindy can be split here, but it's your choice

[placid bloom]

plays around enemy Mermaid and enemy Noah, does not play around Rosanna though but you can't cover everything

[umbral belfry]

make sure your siren is linked though if doing p1

I'm not sure she'd survive there if not linked

[jagged mesa]

just to clarify, im mostly talking about defense atm

[placid bloom]

it's not a huge deal if she dies usually, it just means your B1 buff is non-existent

[jagged mesa]

so no control over what the matchup is

[umbral belfry]

maybe it's just mealways liking to play it safe

[clear folio]

what does the 62-68 and 21% mean here?

[placid bloom]

but I would usually assume Mermaid is more invested than Trina since you will most likely be rerolling her lines for Kraken

[placid bloom]

that's your bullet count at that timing, and how much burst gen that converts to if the enemy has Jackal

does not account for Scarlet counter because that's RNG

[jagged mesa]

oh hang on are you guys answering aceross or me, im getting confused lmao

[clear folio]

bullet count you need to receive?

[umbral belfry]

that's why i lost so many scar mirrors with that team in ca

[placid bloom]

no the bullet count your team is producing

[umbral belfry]

what was your question again?

[clear folio]

my bad im trying to decide what to do this ca lol

[umbral belfry]

Ace fully locking in this ca

[coarse solstice]

Helm can one shot Cindy if invested+buffed. Usually will kill on follow up shot. Really depends on bothe comps

[clear folio]

copium i cant win

[umbral belfry]

it goes through decoy?

[jagged mesa]

its ok let me re-arrange my teams first anyways then float my idea afterwards

[umbral belfry]

interesting

I gotta test this out for myself, hopefully next CA with a high atk cindy

[umbral belfry]

lock in ash

[placid bloom]

yes this is for defense, it covers most matchups and is only specifically weak to 2RL Bay Helm or a very strong b1 Ros nuke

it can be somewhat weak to Noise Noah if Noise takes the Mermaid stun but that's harder for your opponent to intentionally do

[jagged mesa]

okay i can start investing in centi, soon-ish

still lacking t9m for her though

[placid bloom]

technically it also loses to Noah Biscuit Helm Ade but who the hell is building Ade to counter Mermaid

[coarse solstice]

I think it happened the first CA that I used 2rl Helm

[jagged mesa]

given my CURRENT investments though, im debating between 2rl scarlet team & 4rl cindy team or 3rl for both (best i can do to not get cp gapped)

[umbral belfry]

ironically I saw a video of tbis a while back

[umbral belfry]

I remember reading somewhere that blanc and cindy together is a bad idea too but I forget the reasons as to why

decoy maybe?

[placid bloom]

just too slow

[umbral belfry]

not to mention blanc even surviving until 4 rl to begin with

[placid bloom]

that team is way too slow

[umbral belfry]

yeah that makes sense

[placid bloom]

it's already slow with Blanc SBS unless you commit Jackal + Helm to the team

[umbral belfry]

2 rl indom sbs is pretty goated

[placid bloom]

but you can't do Jackal with Cinderella because she's gonna out-HP any link you have

[jagged mesa]

it's a carryover from when i literally had no pvp units, so currently its the best cp option i have for that slot

blanc is gone the moment i pull noah and can invest properly

[umbral belfry]

[jagged mesa]

im just gonna try the double 3rl teams on defense to see if its good enough for now

[copper creek]

does anyone know when UR chip rewards are released/

[jagged mesa]

and ill try JUST PULLING NOAH

ez solution

[umbral belfry]

does dkaze/Chinese dude have noah?

[placid bloom]

3RL cannot hold in my SPA anymore, I have to run 2 2RL teams and 1 throwaway

[keen vapor]

Soon ™

[placid bloom]

if I have Noah I can make 3 2RL teams but that's something to worry about when she shows up

[umbral belfry]

you don't have her either?

[jagged mesa]

dkaze yes, chinese dude/osprey not sure. they have to beat me again for me to check

[umbral belfry]

she's coming in collab rolls trust

[umbral belfry]

osprey?

who's that

[jagged mesa]

yeah i currently cant build two 2rl teams else i take a massive cp deficit... which, idk maybe i can consider if a deficit cindy is able to still nuke?

[jagged mesa]

one of the wildcards

[placid bloom]

depends

[umbral belfry]

mana

[copper creek]

like specifically today or tmrw
cuz if today i have cubes for CA
if tomorrow i dont

[keen vapor]

: doro wut da hel:

[placid bloom]

if they are on a defensive burst then you cannot kill with Cinderella at deficit

[umbral belfry]

I guess it's back to war for you ash

[jagged mesa]

not just mana... prism (c7) mana

[placid bloom]

not much you can do about deficit, just gonna need a few weeks to OL your batteries

[jagged mesa]

OL is close to not being enough though, my doll situation is bad... but yeah that's what im waiting for

[placid bloom]

and in the meantime just have to camp harder than the others

[jagged mesa]

still hunting for t9m for centi boots

[keen vapor]

Sorry idk

[placid bloom]

I am missing 4 T9M Tetra defender gloves, and that's all I'm missing

but I don't want to run s5 MC

[umbral belfry]

I need to hunt for some t9m myself

[jagged mesa]

im hanging in there, but at the very least my defense is currently 50/50

[placid bloom]

feels bad when I can't s6

[umbral belfry]

but I like my rocks

[shell hazel]

I did a few days of it and was lucky enough to get a set for Moran

[keen vapor]

Better than 0/100

[shell hazel]

had same issue needed t9m tetra def gloves