pvp-arena

[shell hazel]

dunno how your opponent got so far with those teams lol

[atomic wolf]

yeah but this is dangerous no?

if they're attacking they just skip into biscuit

[umbral belfry]

@coarse solstice lmk what you think of our marchups too! ping me

[shell hazel]

your t5 may lose if your scarlet dies certainly will

otherwise it's indom scarlet vs indom scarlet

[coarse lake]

p5 cindy doesn't get skipped

[onyx scaffold]

i got gbanged

[shell hazel]

will feed some though if she's attacked

[onyx scaffold]

anyone wanna predict this?

[clear folio]

rosanna removes the link so maybe ros wins

oh but its blanc and sg into jack? idk lol

[onyx scaffold]

all 5 fights

[coarse solstice]

You win the current one. For ours I think it's W ? L W W my favor. ( I'm also pretty awful at trying to predict these / probably overly optimistic 🙃🙃🙃)

[vague slate]

do you top ca league competitive players invest in units for sr/ur? doll mats seems so scarce to split focus

[placid bloom]

older players should have their PvE units mostly done by now, newer players will have to choose

[shell hazel]

I mainly invest pvp tbh but my campaign team is decent enough

later on I'll have some resources for raids

[coarse solstice]

I invest in PVP as I notice holes in my teams performance. Otherwise I keep things stock. Good example is Rosanna being needed for a decent SG team. Where Bay works with basically no investment

[onyx scaffold]

Misinformation smh

[placid bloom]

[swift mango]

Idk why the right dude even got 80% cheer when I just looked at 1-2-3 and it's 3/3 for left already with 1 hard counter and 2 trash teams from right....

[onyx scaffold]

Why not

[ocean vapor]

higher level eck de

[swift mango]

Darn man, right has 3 trash teams... It's a miracle he got this far...

Left dude even got this and they think he would lose.

He has 1 trash team which matched against 2rl Cindy. The rest of his team wins.

[raven plover]

maybe people already got their winning frame, now they go for losing frame

[keen vapor]

Eon, what do you think on Boop vs Lan?
||i think 2-3 Lan||

[coarse lake]

idk, unable to check rn

[keen vapor]

Boop has max invest Helm stall team

But Lan has 3 RL Emi against Noah

Both Noah and Emi have quite enough ammo

[pale knoll]

[swift mango]

I could have gotten my losing frame if I didn't vote for myself winning on principle in that match I would 95% lose...

[umbral belfry]

Yeah I think I win my current mine pretty handlily. but for ours it's tricky and will depend on a few things. I have it

T1 me
T2 ? (Moran has good chance of surviving 4 SGs. Unsure if your
drake will die fast enough for rosa to nuke before moran can taunt rosa's second nuke which wouldve also killed lap. My helm is cooked regardless. but if rosa doesn't nuke moran before I can FB with Lap+ burst + dmg, I can see myself winning. Bay will help lower dmg)
T3 - me
T4 - ? (Leans my loss, but if rosa lives it's gg. - I won a sg + rosa vs scar in my last last fight. difference is you have a jackal. but this is still possibly. mostly rng)
T5 - me (not including CS, helm nuke is at 3.16 and rapu revives at 3.32. I don't see my sbs dying in 2 rl pre nuke. in addition you must kill my sbs faster now due to your 17% CS. and bay will not help against sbs.)

it's still extremely rng based though

regardless of the case, it will be close

@placid bloom wanna give your thoughts?

[wild patio]

we all playing safe arent we

[placid bloom]

haven't had time to check the matchups yet

[regal garden]

I'm voting for the guy with 1st level

[placid bloom]

still at work

[umbral belfry]

I feel that

[umbral belfry]

ain't no way this is real

[coarse solstice]

Honestly you probably right. Sounds like you thought it out more than me 😂. I always surprise myself though. Would be happy to lose to you. I did tell Cup already that you were overdue for a champ frame.

[unborn latch]

They get champion arena out of the box?

Is that image real?

[umbral belfry]

I could be wrong though! I'm still not 100% sure on t5, but the timings check out. Just being top 8 is more than enough for me

[signal hull]

Yeeeeeah! Everyone I was hoping to lose did lose in my bracket.

[unborn latch]

CN CA picture is misleading info. Eunwha is not in CN version. It's just a lot of CN interest in playing global version all of a sudden

[clear folio]

i lose to cup if my indom doesnt go to sbs, possibly lose to ura, 100% lose to you. forever top 2/4 😿! i think u win this CA 😆 gz

[swift mango]

1031 created his account much sooner, he should win.

Smh my head, people bad cheering as always.

[umbral crown]

[spiral onyx]

Bro, those are Korean characters, not Chinese lol

It's also what happens in the CA servers that don't have enough real players to fill all the brackets

All of those "players" in that screenshot are bots

[unborn latch]

Are they? They don't have that blocky and simple appearance KR usually has.

[spiral onyx]

@unborn latch If your referring to this screenshot, yes this is 100% Korean

Their names translate to "Commander####"

[unborn latch]

I'll take your word for it. All I know about the difference between the two is that KR was intentionally made to be easily visible and easily understood by all socioeconomic demographics while CN was intentionally made with the opposite intent. So if I need to zoom in and make out subtle differences in pixels I assume CN. KR is usually blocky and is easily visible

[spiral onyx]

사령관 is what's written

[worthy sorrel]

I think i got really lucky to be defending in this scenario

sg's should increase the misdom chance

[shell hazel]

that's definitely korean

[spiral onyx]

From someone who is not familiar with the language, I can see where you're coming from. The character are definitely more compact than most

The telltale sign though would be the full circle

Full circles don't exist in Chinese nor Japanese character components

[unborn latch]

Yeah I'd agree, but I couldn't see that in the image I looked at. You looked at something different. Without zooming in on mobile it looks like this

[clear folio]

lol yeah i realized when i looked more, my P5 shotgunned to death rip blanc indom lol

[worthy sorrel]

let's both get there and find out! gl to you and star

[coarse solstice]

@atomic wolf Might get his shift key fixed if he can beat ace though 🤣

[shell hazel]

thought these two matches were interesting. matches 2 +4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lluRRm__DEE
not mine but the ones I could vote on.
match 2 - ros sac with mihara/SR anis and scarlet
match 4 - stall comp with maid anchor + siren being a menace

match 4 beat out nero/moran stall with all the stuns 😄

[coarse solstice]

That's actually wild. 😂

[fathom schooner]

Is this a good rookie defense team or is there something I can/should do better?

[shell hazel]

yeah gives me some ideas for how I can change up stuff next CA a bit 🙂

they don't run ros with SG comp instead it's just full SG comp

[coarse solstice]

I like it 😄

[signal hull]

I'd replace S.Anis with more burst gen (like HelmT or even Rumani), for 2RL...

[fathom schooner]

I dont have T.Helm treasure fully upgraded, would that make a difference?

[signal hull]

Yes, it would, Helm is trash without treasure and SSS-tier with it. She gets her crazy burst gen from... What was it... Treasure skill1?

But Rumani or Centi will do the trick in this case.

[fathom schooner]

All her skills are rank 10. just the skill3 hasn't gotten the treause upgrade

[signal hull]

Ah, sorry misunderstood. Yeah, it's fine.

[clear folio]

ive seen those destroy a cindy comp lol

[wheat heart]

is there a way to tell if you're offense or defense in CA before the match?

[clear folio]

always a possibility! lol

[fathom schooner]

now the only thing holding me back is OL gear and level. XD

[signal hull]

Why I'd still prefer Rumani over HelmT tho, is because if enemy picks Siren, she can stun Jackal (the only B1 in team) and that's 3 sec delay, otherwise Rumani would burst w/o delay.
But eh, defense is always easily breakable in both rookie and SpA anyway, no matter how hard you try.

[void cave]

Top loses, right?

[sterile latch]

Theoretically, if you had every character in game except the Collab ones excluding both asukas, Rei: Tentative Name and Emilia. What would be the best Rookie and SP arena team available?

[keen vapor]

Yes

[keen vapor]

Have you checked pinned FAQ?

[sterile latch]

No how do I do that? New to discord and I'm on mobile.

[keen vapor]

Click PVP arena at the top of the screen

You'll see pinned messages there

[signal hull]

"For PVP related discussion, team-building, strategy, and/or tips. Please provide a screenshot of your available Nikkes + details for accurate help."

[keen vapor]

I'm talking about the list

[signal hull]

oh. there's a list? WHERE?

[keen vapor]

Linked on pinned FAQ

[keen vapor]

[void cave]

Okay just making sure, I saw the percentage was leaning to Top winning, which confused me since I'm trying to get unlucky frame

[keen vapor]

It happens sometimes

Majority going for the loser

Do they know?

Arena Record: I may be ready where's that guy who struggled with this whale pre shuffle

[void cave]

either that or they saw top had ranked higher previously compared to bottom so they just picked top

[keen vapor]

@stuck parcel what was your synch level? And were you able to defeat Dirk at all?

[keen vapor]

That makes tons of sense

[swift mango]

Replace scar or Anis with HelmT in p3

[swift mango]

But are your ready to get to CA?

[keen vapor]

@covert lintel

[keen vapor]

Perhaps

[swift mango]

But are you ready for CA?

[keen vapor]

Probably not

[quick lake]

[swift mango]

But are you ready to win CA?

[quick lake]

No. CA deadge game mode

[keen vapor]

@grand grove are you on my PVP bracket?

[swift mango]

[keen vapor]

Si lo es debería hablar español

[swift mango]

[keen vapor]

[tropic summit]

upcoming exploration mode has got me more hyped than CA

[swift mango]

https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/1bmhksg/til_cartels_are_mexicos_fifth_largest_employer/

Hey, I did remember it right, a large part of Mexican work for drug cartels.

[keen vapor]

I realized something

[quick lake]

We sleep

[tropic summit]

agreed

[keen vapor]

I' may need Malogro help

[tropic summit]

you should believe more in yourself

[swift mango]

So I wasn't weird to ask if you belong to a cartel before.

[keen vapor]

[keen vapor]

It's not that

[tropic summit]

Echo is actually a bad boy IRL?

[quick lake]

I’ve been wiping out more. There’s some sync swiping going on with my top 5

[tropic summit]

[keen vapor]

@clear vessel I need to go to C4 again

I may be able to hit Dirk, at least on his current def

[clear vessel]

Aight, give me a second d

[spiral onyx]

Damn

[keen vapor]

Take your time

[swift mango]

Time to get that champ.

[stuck parcel]

@keen vapor I was around 450-ish, and I almost always beat Dirk. About 90% of the time.

[spiral onyx]

Here's my upcoming matchup, with me on defence.

• T1 - Investment check I think. Their team is a bit slower so their Scalter will probably die and the Blanc invuln goes on Emilia. Their Emilia's nuke will probably be blocked my my Noah while my Emilia nuke will kill everyone but their Emilia. Then it comes down to whether their indom'd Emilia can solo the rest of my team in the remaining ~6s
• T2 - Zeus win, my Pepper and SAnis will probably suicide against Scarlet Jackal
• T3 - Keripo win, wtf is his team lol
• T4 - Investment check. My SGs will melt his Centi and then my Rosanna will nuke probably his Noise and Cindy since is Rumani is LB1 while his Cindy is MLB. What happens next I dont know but my guess is his Cindy wont survive the Rosanna nuke + SG pressure
• T5 - Keripo win, his LB1 Rosanna doesn't look strong enough to nuke my Scarlet through Rapunzel heal and Jackal link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzL_paTaeRM

[keen vapor]

Ok @clear vessel do I change my def?

[keen vapor]

I see, he gemmed?

[clear vessel]

@keen vapor yes please, you can reduce T2 and T3

Let me know when ready

[stuck parcel]

I think only once or twice.

[keen vapor]

Ok, my trash def is up

@clear vessel

[keen vapor]

Interesting

[clear vessel]

@keen vapor done, GL with Dirk

[keen vapor]

Thank you for your support

[umbral belfry]

I'm not sure if I beat cup here actually

but regardless gl ace! (I hope we can fight where its a close call 😭 )

[stuck parcel]

@keen vapor Are they relentless over there right now?

[keen vapor]

It's almost peaceful, there's this guy on a Chickens union that has been beating my def this last week

Hero does not attack for some reason

<@&946725432554836008>

[stuck parcel]

I see! I do remember that Dirk's above me in power.

[zinc lion]

Do you need anything ?

[keen vapor]

Bot send a steam link

But already solved

[zinc lion]

oh ok

[keen vapor]

Same I'm 441 synch but I may be able to beat him

Already defeated his Noah team

Blanc team remains...

[lunar pawn]

Anyone in keripo's CA bracket?

Did darius win or lose

[keen vapor]

Nah, there's no Keripo-Eon duels

||Echo-Eon duel soon™ only on theaters||

[stuck parcel]

I think Eon just beat me actually.

Yeah the Soda team dismantled my last team.

[keen vapor]

true

The Eon special

[stuck parcel]

My Cinderella team came close too.

[keen vapor]

Time to watch replays

[keen vapor]

@zinc lion again

[glad meteor]

Red atk
Blue def

Top atk
Left def

[zinc lion]

got him

[finite wedge]

Eon up against a whale from my arena group

[glad meteor]

Their emilia is slower, noah can’t block indom emi nuke but could make it whiff. Or blanc can die pre burst.

[shell hazel]

that's not a whale lol

W H ? ? ? see, missing 3 letters

[signal hull]

I think he's just dyslexic, can't even type "H o rny" (damn server censorship) right.

[shell hazel]

ah yes charge speed and charge damage DrakeT

but hey I'll take line 3 atk 🙂

@covert lintel RH didn't work we just got stuck on Noise/Noah for too long
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRMbpP_LxNw

they got level 301 boost as well now

[glad meteor]

In noise noah helm cindy jackal

Does noise have taunt prio and jackal link

wonder if that works here

[shell hazel]

jackal link with helm and cindy surely

noise should have taunt prio if noah has more CS as I understand it

[placid hinge]

this my top 8 for championship...who you think wins?

[shell hazel]

hmm in a fashion contest.... Darius

[glad meteor]

I see

[glad meteor]

Trust in femboy

[placid hinge]

...huh this team seems weird no?

[glad meteor]

Indeed

Doesn’t even look 3rl

[lunar pawn]

and I'm cheering for you this time, gl

[warm monolith]

Can someone pls made 3 defenses for arena?

[wise horizon]

I won the first time but i lost when i used the same comp. need help

[wet crystal]

@umbral belfry how's your chances at bringing home the champ frame? Also Ura v Hime

[coarse solstice]

Leans towards Hime but some RNG might see another discord buddy get the championship

[wet crystal]

Looking forward to close calls in sequel championships then

[umbral belfry]

not impossible, but I don't think me vs cup is in my favor

i already completed my goal is breaking the top 32 wall so either way even if I lose ill just

https://tenor.com/view/wrestlemania28-john-cena-rock-cena-rock-cena-rock-wrestlemania-gif-27519679

@coarse solstice

[wheat heart]

cena is back

[umbral belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/john-cena-the-rock-john-cena-the-rock-cena-rock-elimination-chamber-2025-gif-8928558405759824381

[wheat heart]

hahahaha

[loud sonnet]

[tight lantern]

guys are there some weird programs that alert you when you get attacked in pvp? the behaviour of a guy I'm attacking is suspicios. it seems like he know instantly when I attacked him, at any time of day

[vapid lake]

maybe he's just one of those people that have every single person of interest in their blocklist and over a period of weeks/months they literally figured out ur daily routine from seeing when u were last online

i know because i do that

[shut seal]

Guys, I've been locked in this back and forth with someone for a while. Any suggestions on solidifying my SPA team to hold him off once and for all:
Scar-Trina-Siren-Centi-Jackal
Noise-Rumani-Cindy-THelm-Noah
Blanc-Emilia-SBS-Biscuit-Rapu
(box image incoming)

also have a XMaiden that I can beef up

Thanks.

[oblique ridge]

If your opponent’s also in the synchro 500s+ realm, I suspect he probably has all units too?

[crystal flicker]

Idk why you bring ScarBS if you're bursting with Emi

and Rapu just... not fast enough

[oblique ridge]

Scarlet team can be killed by Cindy team, Cindy team can be killed by Blanc team, Blanc team can be killed by Scarlet team if it’s proven to be a too slow team against 2RL Scarlet

So this defense is impossible to solidify if your opponent has all units and is relatively serious at pvp

So uh, need intel on your opponent

Or we’re blind guessing on what would work

[crystal flicker]

Solidify PvP easy, just 🐳

[oblique ridge]

True, maybe +100 more synchro levels will do it

[oblique ridge]

Got any additional information on your opponent?

[thin perch]

Experts how did this comp lose?

Did my scarlet die too quick since redhood started bursting and I’m not using jackal?

[oblique ridge]

Seems like a simple case of Noah invincible blocking Scarlet, then Emilia fired off a team wipe nuke before dying

Isn’t it top down for positions? p1 top p5 bottom? Left side is attacking side?

[thin perch]

Rosanna killed Emilia before she even burst

[oblique ridge]

RIP, guess you got elemental countered by RH

[crystal flicker]

2RL vs 2RL, Noah block Scarlet, Rosa fail nuke RH and she cook the team

[oblique ridge]

RH still died so seems like at the end you couldn’t finish off Noah + Biscuit

[crystal flicker]

Meanwhile Noah got invuln for 10 sec

[thin perch]

What’s the counter to that team then?

3 rl Noah?

[oblique ridge]

Biscuit, yeah. If Noah didn’t trigger Biscuit before bursting, then it’s 3 sec invuln to block Scarlet, then 5s invuln from first dip below 50% hp, then another 5s invuln for second dip. Fun!

[shut seal]

I'll grab screens of his defense once we flip again. How about the Blanc-Emilia-SBS-Biscuit-Rapu team - that feels like the weakest of the 3.

[raven plover]

gib pvp alert

[thin perch]

If I had jackal in this team I could probably kill all the dps before they kill anyone

Also I’m not sure why but scarlet started the match at 70% hp

Before it even started

[raven plover]

trina

[thin perch]

Ah

[oblique ridge]

How fast is enemy team anyway? Maybe you just need a Siren team

[crystal flicker]

2RL

[thin perch]

2rl

[oblique ridge]

RIP

[crystal flicker]

Siren should stun Noah tho

[oblique ridge]

Honestly

[thin perch]

I mean shouldn’t a Rosanna team with a slight alteration still work if they strip the buffs off the dps?

Or would that only kill 2

[oblique ridge]

Oh, if Siren still stuns before Noah can burst, that works, but do you dare put it to the test?

[thin perch]

Can siren stun faster than 2rl?

[oblique ridge]

All you have to do is replace Rosanna with Siren and you’d basically win if your team is still 2RL

Simply because no Noah blocking of Scarlet

[crystal flicker]

Noah bursting 2.82 for pure 2RL, unless that comp run at 1.75RL I don't see Noah escaping

[oblique ridge]

What’s the RL time for Siren stun to hit?

[crystal flicker]

2.574

[oblique ridge]

Thanks

[thin perch]

Siren will gurantee stun Noah if she is in P1 right?

[crystal flicker]

Fixed

[oblique ridge]

Siren shoots enemy p1 anyway but yes Siren in p1 or p2 herself can be taunted by enemy Noah’s full charge shots for extra insurance… but you’re risking getting Siren killed Unless you’re sure she’ll live long enough

iirc she has to land her 50th shot and whoever is hit will be stunned?

20 bullets per second, so 2.5. I guess 2.574 for the effect to stick

[oblique ridge]

iirc it’s hard to get Blanc team down to 2.5 or lower RL time

It’s easy to cause it to be 3RL team and that’s too slow to survive a simple 2RL Scarlet

Even 2.5RL can’t unless it’s Cinderella with some luck since her AoE nuke has tenths of seconds to do damage instead of instant

[thin perch]

Will biscuit’s invuln apply to defenders if they are nuked by scarlet at the exact same time?

[oblique ridge]

I honestly don’t know that interaction.. like what happens if Scarlet kills Mihara and Mana at the same time, with Mihara in p1?

[oblique ridge]

Does Mana get to revive Mihara even though they die simultaneously?

And, I don’t know that Biscuit can rescue someone that fell to 0% hp

[crystal flicker]

No

It seems that if they got Nuked at the same time, the passive wont active

[oblique ridge]

So sounds like in simultaneous death cases, effects can’t trigger

RIP Mana, Biscuit, etc

How about if a Defender was nuked to 0% hp from high/full hp?

Like Helm treasure nuke on Noah at 51% hp (should be a kill)

[shell hazel]

never! 😄

[coarse lake]

Before patch, mana would revive

But I think recent patch fixed that, or maybe it was something else

[crystal flicker]

Should survive imo, I can't test that coz nobody run Noah in my top 3 lol

[coarse lake]

51% Noah dies instantly to Helmt

Biscuit won't trigger

[oblique ridge]

Alright so it’s imperative for the defender to avoid being KO’d in a single hit before Biscuit conditions are met

Which means Scarlet AoE blast that kills everyone but somehow leaves Biscuit alive is still ruinous, Biscuit is a lonely puppy then. But tbh everyone would be dead

As for whether Biscuit can proc invuln when she’s dying in the AoE blast but defenders survive, this probably can be easily decided by seeing how Mana behaves in a similar situation. If she’d still revive someone despite dying, Biscuit should be able to proc invuln before her own death if other defenders met the condition

Also can verify this by finding a compatible Moran Biscuit fight vs Scarlet (Not Cinderella). Moran has to survive the AoE nuke while Biscuit dies to it

[crystal flicker]

If Moran bursting sure she'll survive tho

[oblique ridge]

If she bursts in time, yes

Oh, you mean Moran burst might keep Biscuit from dying to Scarlet AoE?

[crystal flicker]

That could work too

The only counter for Dmg Red is Dmg Taken

[oblique ridge]

Was hoping to find proof to determine whether a surviving defender still gets invuln proc from Biscuit even if Biscuit was dying on the spot

So “that could work too” isn’t exactly what I was hoping for

Biscuit must die

[raven plover]

test in rookie

[oblique ridge]

I'll prowl the CA replays I guess, maybe I'll find such an outcome there

If not, maybe I can arrange it in Rookie tomorrow

I've come to the conclusion that I'm too lazy to bother

[crystal flicker]

Wrong vids smh

[crystal flicker]

This one? Rumani die together with Biscuit (She should still have 1 Invin passive)

[umbral crown]

Its closed

[raven plover]

[oblique ridge]

Pretty good. I think it's half an answer, it does answer that if the dying defender is to right of Biscuit, she won't invincible the defender in a simultaneous death scenario

Wait, I'm mixing up things

[umbral crown]

[oblique ridge]

This answers nothing... It was already said that a Defender dying in one hit won't get Biscuit invincible

What I needed was Biscuit dying but the Defender is mortally wounded and lives, not dead

[crystal flicker]

[oblique ridge]

So if Rumani had survived with 1% hp that'd have been good

It's okay

Maybe I can just cook a CA team that forces this question to be answered

And feed it into CA S5

[keen vapor]

Oooooohhhhhhh that's what makes it consistent

[fathom schooner]

I have a question about sp arena. I noticed that I am in a higher rank (got closer to the top) after the season reset. All I do is defend. I went from rank 51 (for about a 1.5 months) to rank 45. Why did I suddenly change ranks if I haven't been attacking?

[calm gull]

we got reshuffled recently last reset.

[nimble swan]

I was so angry about group phase i haven't even checked CA since then

@hollow lagoon i can't see you in top 8, where did you get shafted

who i would need to cheer on now?

[hollow lagoon]

Shifter at top 64

Meme team died

I’m guess I’ll go back to my old set

[crystal flicker]

Should I cheer my former enemy (Rui) or random guy?

[umbral belfry]

the fact that this was made 😭

[cursive otter]

I modified the gif and add the sound track lol

[nimble swan]

Sorry to hear that :/

[oblique ridge]

So retro Also, it was obvious gray ninja won. He jumped higher!

[thin perch]

Man I wish they would add a replay function for SP defense

That would make it more fun for me at least

[oblique ridge]

It's gone past 2.5 years of Nikke and this hasn't happened. 'Tis unfortunate, but I have to assume that it's an ironclad ShiftUp SPA philosophy to keep us blind

CA is literally the only place we get to see what's going on, that and whenever an attacker decides to share their video recordings

[raven plover]

wow

[raven plover]

yes need to show the enemy that I kill their cindy team with og rei the goat

[oblique ridge]

Or when whale uses all-R teams to beat up the opponent

[spiral onyx]

My Cheer log looking pretty promising so far

[covert lintel]

what?

[covert lintel]

noah rh won't work

[keen vapor]

I hit C1 whale

[covert lintel]

oh you can challenge C1 now?

[keen vapor]

I was winning consistently until I didn't

I better say goodbye to C1 and rest up on C3

[covert lintel]

wdym?
getting level gapped again?

[keen vapor]

He leveled up once
That level up put one of my teams at deficit

Min deficit was enough for my team to not survive Scarlet indom, even with Noah Biscuit

whale powers have defeated me again

Noah firepower so low

[covert lintel]

ask for help to rosy

he can win even 20% above deficit

[slate trench]

ok which teams have better edges?

[raven plover]

left

[crystal flicker]

L
L
R
L
R

[atomic wolf]

ALL OF THESE VOICES INSIDE OF MY HEAD

[slate trench]

damn left looks stronger, heh? can u explain teams 2 and 5?

they use same characters

[lofty spire]

Can I get an SP Area team recom? I've been just copying the people above me

[crystal flicker]

T2 Right too slow, HelmT should snipe Rapunzel before Moran can burst and stopping them from using revive strat
Left will also tank Cindy Nuke with Moran

T5 just battle of CS, right have more potential to burst before 2RL from more RL and feeds

[crystal flicker]

Trinaless?

[slate trench]

i see. ty for your insight

[swift mango]

150 gems

Save up for doll is hard.

[strong hull]

[swift mango]

Are you sure Helm would snip blue doll rapu and not the likely 4 atk line Cindy?

[raven plover]

[crystal flicker]

We can't see their ATK stat tho

[umbral crown]

same here

but now kinda rng to keep it clear

[umbral crown]

check the atk of that rapu and cindy

supports have more atk than defenders

[swift mango]

Yeah, but whoever HelmT snipe she would still win anyway.

[swift mango]

Lets hack his account and check real quick.

[umbral crown]

[umbral crown]

cooking S5 teams?

[swift mango]

I am. Now I could retire my Miranda+Emi, and Moran +Bay teams.

So I have many options

[umbral crown]

☆☆☆ SP Defense ☆☆☆
Scarlet/Blanc/Siren/Centi/Jackal
Noah/Ein/HelmT/Red Hood/Emilia
Moise/Rumani/Biscuit/S.Anis/Rapunzel

or can also try if first defense gets defeated

Noah/Noise/Cinderella/HelmT/Emilia
Scarlet/Blanc/Red Hood/Siren/Jackal
Rapunzel/Rumani/S,Anis/Biscuit/Bunny Soda

[swift mango]

I considered bringing Delta but maybe not.

Or maybe I could. Hard to say.

[umbral crown]

hehe this season i retired nero team for a changed , had more options to build teams at different speeds but next season will introduce it again to work more in cooking skills

[swift mango]

If only Delta had better burst gen.

[swift mango]

Nero isn't to be retired tbh, it's staple team already after you built it...

Do your HelmT, Rapu and Quiry/Lap having enough CS though?

[umbral crown]

nope, they missing cs to get to 17, thats why im not using them this season

been working on them

[swift mango]

11% on HelmT and 15% on Rapu or 11% on LapT should be enough

[umbral crown]

being normal 3 RL does not help

[umbral crown]

oh, will try for that

[crystal flicker]

OK Cindy might have higher atk if she has the lines

[umbral crown]

then helm will just hit decoy

[swift mango]

Cindy also max core vs Rapu core 5

[umbral crown]

[crystal flicker]

Already counted

Just missing OL lines

[swift mango]

Only need 10% if Rapu 0%

[crystal flicker]

Most likely she has yeah

[swift mango]

HelmT snipe if hitting Cindy won't hit her but decoy instead.

[umbral crown]

whats your rosanna investment?

[swift mango]

[swift mango]

Best way is to log in 20/24 and gem.

[quick lake]

Figure out ur opponent log in times and one-up him

[jagged mesa]

@umbral belfry @wet crystal I got a question

Why are we not friends in game yet

[umbral crown]

☆☆☆ SP Defense ☆☆☆
Scarlet/LaplaceT/Trina/Rosanna/Jackal
Noise/Noah/Cinderella/Emilia/Rapunzel
SBS/Blanc/Red Hood/HelmT/Centi

[shut seal]

Thanks I’ll give these a go. Rosanna is 7-7-7 OL5 btw.

[crystal flicker]

Nope

10 or nothing

[shut seal]

Sorry, what does 20/24 and gem mean?

[umbral crown]

☆☆☆ SP Defense ☆☆☆
Noah/Rapunzel/Cinderella/Biscuit/LaplaceT
Scarlet/DrakeT/Bay/Siren/Jackal
SBS/Blanc/Rapipi/HelmT/Centi

[warm monolith]

Thank you

[polar bolt]

So who do you guys think wins this match up?

I was originally thinking it would be something like this...but for the 2nd match, it's mainly whether Siren lives long enough to stun Blanc or not

Or am I missing something?

[quick lake]

R
R
L
L
R
imo

T2 kinda rng

[umbral crown]

[umbral crown]

nice how much atk your rosanna has?

the recommendation is 7-10-10 in skills, doll as max as possible and 40 atk from OL

[crystal flicker]

You mean 50 from OL

[umbral crown]

thats with black lines which i do not even have

but 40 is fine

affordable

[crystal flicker]

Mine 45% and can't kill HelmT last CA for some reason

[umbral crown]

tempura cube does things

[crystal flicker]

or HelmT got rev by Mana idk

[umbral crown]

also full team is important

[crystal flicker]

She nuke both Mana and HelmT

Mana dies but HelmT standing with like 15% hp

[umbral crown]

you have video?

maybe missed a crit

[umbral crown]

in a nero moran team, nero gives damage reduction to the ones healing her

[crystal flicker]

Mana also heal tho

[umbral crown]

also hlem could have more hp than mana

[crystal flicker]

That might be the case

[umbral crown]

well eep time

tomorrow will be the time to see if i get to top 4 for the first time

and then win CA to flex the frame to my 459 whale

[shut seal]

235K ATK. K I’ll make her 7-10-10

[umbral crown]

its a nice atk but check the % you have from OL

feel free to ping me if anything

now , ....

[swift mango]

Open the game 20 hours a day and only sleep 4 hours. Gem if you got attacked.

[raven plover]

https://tenor.com/view/died-of-cringe-anime-cringe-dies-from-cringe-aharen-san-wa-hakarenai-gif-25337087

[crystal flicker]

Better way is ask API for SPA to SU, and use Cloud-based subs to send notification to your phone everytime got attacked

[swift mango]

There are scripts for that if you play on PC.

[crystal flicker]

Where

Gimme

[swift mango]

I'm too lazy to check union chat for that.

They sent it once.

Maybe ask your union mates

It's like all the mods, not allowed to post on maincord

[shut seal]

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-hank-scorpio-why-didn’t-i-think-of-that-gif-16665717301005834823

[crystal flicker]

I found "Nikke Tools" on Github, it says nothing about PvP tho

[swift mango]

I doubt GitHub even has something existed since year one like Alice Macro

[crystal flicker]

If I have 2 account in same bracket, I can attack 1 acc and catch the network

The rest just making subs in gcp/aws

[regal garden]

Finally I managed to watch champion arena on PC... same shit

[spiral onyx]

So I was simulating my CA matchup and realized... my Emilia team is actually lowkey strong af.

[regal garden]

Guys, where to place Red Hood? Help me out, please

also, decided to replace neon with Moran

[shell hazel]

I need the emilia-less version of it 😄

[spiral onyx]

Sorry you're bricked

Better start praying on that Stellar Blade collab

[shell hazel]

[worthy sorrel]

[spiral onyx]

One of my guildies has no Emilia and has a treasured Viper and 0LB copies of Trina and Rumani

I've given up on trying to cook for him in CA

[shell hazel]

well lack of emi is expected on my part as she existed before I did

[worthy sorrel]

one day surely we baby accounts will get a sanis rerun and emilia will be power crept out somehow

[shell hazel]

but think she is about the only thing that gets that team to 2RL beyond HelmT

still coping for Rumani to appear at some point as well main missing unit

[oblique ridge]

I concur. I copied some of your teams in spirit (and exactly copied 1 👀 The Emilia one) and ended up with 3 great teams, 1 sg yolo team, and 1 empty team I had nobody good left for except maybe a bad 3.5RL Moran Biscuit SAnis team But I probably can just yolo that 4th team or fill it with future pvp units. At least I can pray to more easily break out of groups next time

Emilia is too good so RIP if you're in a CA with players that have Emilia and you don't, @shell hazel

[crystal flicker]

Try against 2RL

[shell hazel]

none of us got her so it's balanced 🙂

[worthy sorrel]

luckily i think most younger bracket groupings are all emilia-less.

[crystal flicker]

Eve is PvP units

[calm gull]

am against emilia in every CA match and always lose

[calm gull]

nope, I got this on S1 CA

[worthy sorrel]

oof. i've seen people barely miss the cutoff for a weaker bracket, by like one server number and thought that was bad enough

[calm gull]

this mostly happen in SEA server CA due to low player counts

[worthy sorrel]

joining after emilia but crossing over with emilia folks is just brick via shift up

[sullen matrix]

Need team for sp arena

[crystal flicker]

Or because the other hasn't unlocked CA yet

[primal charm]

chat im so good at doll upgrading

rosa's gears even do not catch up lol

[crystal flicker]

Can you show the rest of your Nikke?

[crystal flicker]

Where's your Stall comp

[primal charm]

the right question is

what is stall comp

[primal charm]

ive lose to double healer cindy (noise rapunzel) with this lol

[primal charm]

is it meta now

im off from pvp chat couple of days

[crystal flicker]

CA Meta yes, SP depend
Can tank any Blanc-less Nuke lol

[unique wagon]

Good for CA. In Sp and Rookie its countered by slower Noah unfortunately, a sleeper team.

[shell hazel]

I only got 10 SR-15 but I got 4 waiting at R-15 for purple dolls, and a good number of materials, should have enough to set a couple more from SR-5 to SR-15 if lucky

[primal charm]

time to full sr15 for 3 sparena comp

bracket will be terrifying

[shell hazel]

my list of done ones is similar to yours. I was looking at lapt/ros/moran next

[final wedge]

u shud check Lap+ damage....ur Lap+ prolly deal half of Emi burst even without burstin.....cuz i remember I have similar team where i put RH Lap and Emi together and it dealt really big dmg

[spiral onyx]

I'm pretty sure she carries hard indeed. After recording this video I actually went ahead and spent 8 rocks RNG rolling her lines while locking her charge speed lines. Didn't get any atk lines but did get some elemental and charge damage

Iron, good against electric. 35% from OL, 15% from cube, so a bonus 50% more damage

[covert lintel]

@swift mango what do you think of my sg against this?
i'm in atker this time

[crystal flicker]

How invested

If fully invest yes

[covert lintel]

that's mine

[crystal flicker]

Where's your DrakeT

[covert lintel]

i put it on another team

[shell hazel]

Rakuen I did run the swap/experiment btw and no dice - dunno if you saw it
#pvp-arena message

[restive heart]

guys who will win here?

[covert lintel]

i saw it, rh was bad

[crystal flicker]

Based on experience yes, SG cook Biscuitless Cindy comp

[shell hazel]

my RH is fairly decent but I guess not decent enough lol, she has fairly good rolls

30% atk 60% ele I think

[covert lintel]

so he still won't have a time to burst even though there are 2 B1 and 2 B2?

[crystal flicker]

Bottom

[covert lintel]

in that video he still have time to burst

[covert lintel]

huge lvl gap&cp deficit?

[crystal flicker]

Different gen

[shell hazel]

no if you watch the start similar levels etc

think about the same CP, just they built tanky overloads? dunno can't see 🙂

my team is pretty invested here just not enough to overcome. Rapi RH versions work because of her AOE I guess

my RH and Rapi RH are similar investment, both need a bit more work if I ever get the spare rocks to do it but both are in alright places

[restive heart]

what team does bottom wins? p1 p2 p3?

[covert lintel]

try ein

[raven plover]

rakuen for the win I trust

[covert lintel]

i won't win

[shell hazel]

no chance my Ein is far too basic

i'm only sync 305 or so though, working on things still

[crystal flicker]

P1 P2 P4 and prob P5

[raven plover]

https://tenor.com/view/me-too-man-same-thing-same-corl-corl-horl-gif-13857622

[crystal flicker]

Tbh depend on taunt, if Noise taunt they might get 24% gen from Noah (2 shots)

If Noah take everything, they'll reach 4RL and gives you time to kill Centi

[restive heart]

wait how bottom p4 and p5 win?
siren will stun p1 jackal at 2.5 rl right?
on p5 gotta be luck that scarlet will win if she survives that sg team

or im wrong

[crystal flicker]

P4 get to 2RL by feeds

[restive heart]

[restive heart]

which is caused by siren right?

[restive heart]

also on p2. you think sg team will win here?

[crystal flicker]

P5 Scarlet will invuln for 2sec, gives time to reach 2RL gen, if she dies they still have RH to clear

Not to mention SG might die from counter lol

[covert lintel]

i just realized his noah noise centi are around 100k
that mean half assed investment right?

[crystal flicker]

Depend on their investment tbh
But Rapu should die from Drake, making their team slower and prob will give enough time to finish Noah taunt or kill SAnis

[crystal flicker]

Ye, prob not even full OL

[shell hazel]

mine are like 115-120K with full basic OL (+0) so it's not zero investment

zero is like 60K 😄

[crystal flicker]

But he got 20% stats from Max Core

[swift mango]

Probably win. I was thinking of bringing an identical team to yours this season but I didn't because I wanted to use my helmT+Bay for another season lol.

[swift mango]

Okay I was thinking of drake instead of viper.

[daring gust]

Hey blood predict this match

[swift mango]

Why cheer for GA?

[daring gust]

Hes previous champ

[swift mango]

You guys have similar chance lol, the decider is fight 2 I think.

[daring gust]

Tell him please don't ruin my cheer win streak

[covert lintel]

my drake used for this
even though i have a disadvantage against mirror siren, it's still clutching
ig i need to increase drake's attack and ed stat for faster kill

[swift mango]

Kind bad comp tbh

Idk why this season my lowest SEA bracket suddenly filled with a bunch of fully invested Nero team with maxed doll Nero and Rapu... Even higher bracket barely had them.

[covert lintel]

whaler bought RtV with gems and invest quickly to moran nero rapu

[swift mango]

You mean Drake event? We already filled it by yesterday f2p, no need to buy.

I think someone analyze my team last season and figure Nero Team would beat all of my team or something.

I saw like 3 different guys fielding same 3-4 identical teams.

With Nero

It was spooky. Idk where they copied their line up from or just come up with same line up. : 🤔

Maybe some Japan YouTuber won a CA with it.

The guy who beat me this CA, the guy who beat him next match and the guy in another top 8 bracket... All have 3-4 identical teams just swapping position.

Maybe a few others I didn't check.

[shell hazel]

I think eventually most will just run the best comps/clones

it's why CA would be more interesting if they added funky rules to make you have to use brain some 😄

no RL units, no SG's etc, no Missilis, really cook something then

[swift mango]

Not down to the same SG in the same position

[shell hazel]

or some just lazy and full copy, also understandable if they have everything

[raven plover]

what the hellebron james

[pale knoll]

[swift mango]

I won't know what you want to say if you only use this same emoji bro.

[pale knoll]

How are you doing propodia

[swift mango]

No pilgrim.

[pale knoll]

You don't even respond to my question

[swift mango]

I did but I'm okay.

[pale knoll]

Where did you respond

[swift mango]

React is also a kind of response but I'm ok.

https://youtu.be/SsFI40bXROs?si=XAP5yuzPiXW5izA9

[pale knoll]

[swift mango]

Anyway, how are you doing? Clearing map 33?

[pale knoll]

Done with hard mode campaign on one acc and still on mc waiting room on the other

[swift mango]

So you didn't.

Now try to win CA then.

[pale knoll]

Nah, I lost all excitement for CA since it launched

First season was kinda fun, but everyone season after idc anymore. I even forget to bet

[pale knoll]

Such a boring mode

[swift mango]

When you don't have any Arena unit invested

[pale knoll]

Why are you even trying to defend such a lazy mode

They should done something better than that

[swift mango]

Like fighting the same battle over and over just to get 100k more score? No offense but CA being less of a bore.

[pale knoll]

Sure

"Let me put 5 teams and everything else is automated, Im having so much fun!"

And also need to wait a whole ass day just to see the result of it

[swift mango]

When you know the mechanic and start doing real winning prediction it's more fun.

[pale knoll]

You know the rng too?

Be fr

[swift mango]

You need to take into account that ofc

No one got 100% cheer rate. That's how it's fun

[sinful sapphire]

what's the best way to beat a 2RL scarlet blanc squad?

[placid bloom]

2RL Noah Biscuit. Noah blocks the nuke, Biscuit blocks the normals after.

[sinful sapphire]

I see thank you

[regal garden]

I don't think it's possible to make 3 reasonable builds on old acc

[pale knoll]

If you enjoy it good for you.
I just feel like CA had more potential

[regal garden]

😭

[still dawn]

Rate these teams.. I’m open for improvements 😁

[swift mango]

Best if you have noise/Rapu as burst 1 and/or helm as b3 as well.

[sinful sapphire]

I can give you 2 squads but you need to invest on helm treasure item. 1: Noise Noah Cinderella Helm Rumani 2: Scarlet, Trina, Red Hood, Anis, Jackal.

[restive heart]

• t1 looks like anis will grab the indom or noise if anis not damaged
• t2 has p1 scarlet which is vulnerable when enemy uses
• t3 is bad cuz of sbs. easy counter

we can improve your teams but i need screenshots of your units ranked by highest power

no rapunzel?

[swift mango]

Well, better than SR has no more potential.

[restive heart]

maybe im blind but i do not see her. send complete screenshots please

you have centi?

[shell hazel]

build Centi for sure

higher priority than rapu

[restive heart]

build helm for fav item

scarlet-thelm-trina-rh-noir
noise-noah-rumani-siren-cindy
sbs-alice-blanc-centi-jackal

[calm gull]

use biscuit noah on cindy's team (cindy & helm+)
and use blanc for SBS RH team

[sullen matrix]

Wait

[still dawn]

Here are the units. Thanks for your help.

[scenic hatch]

same as UR, it's Sin vs Scarlet vs CN lol

[clear folio]

@atomic wolf holy lol my cindy lost cuz i burst faster wtf 🤣🤣🤣, ur delayed burst won!

damn cup lost too @coarse solstice @umbral belfry take it home!

[atomic wolf]

WHAT

[raven plover]

no way hes top 4?

[atomic wolf]

I'M TOP 4? XD

[raven plover]

https://tenor.com/view/noway-nowaying-what-huh-gif-27487800

[atomic wolf]

thats bs hold on

[clear folio]

2.5 cindy lost to 3rl cindy i didnt know that was possible lmao

i guess biscuit clutch watxh the replay

[clear folio]

haha yeah wp

[raven plover]

lady luck was on his side

[atomic wolf]

thats bogus no way i'd win

i just lost the silver border chance gg

[clear folio]

rapu got indom from sbs, defly something wrong with my setup gotta fix it. my sbs/blanc had zero wins lol, and my cop moran failed miserably

[clear folio]

that cindy delayed burst just in time when my invul expired

[restive heart]

the 3rd he gives is too slow..

use my teams i provided but first build the helm asap cuz once you have her fav item, her burst gen increases exponentially

[covert lintel]

@swift mango not enough investment on sugar

skill only 444 and lv0 OL iirc

[restive heart]

also ATK team may vary on what enemy def teams are

[raven plover]

https://tenor.com/view/noo-toy-story-buzz-lightyear-gif-14664723

damn almost got it

[atomic wolf]

what, how did that even happen

[covert lintel]

yeah that was the important team, if they win i can make a comeback

[swift mango]

Well we don't know the break point of sugar attack speed so hard to know how to invest in her.

[raven plover]

just 100% ele

[covert lintel]

yeah just need atk and ed stat

[clear folio]

i think biscuit clutch saved ur cindy and noah and allowed u to burst in time! that was interesting lol gg

[covert lintel]

my sugar ed stat still 23%

[swift mango]

but skill investment

[swift mango]

I have 60% ed on both sugar and Drake

[raven plover]

that reminds me I dont have any tetra atker gears left, maybe I should start farming

[covert lintel]

i intend to 41010

[swift mango]

wait for her treasure

mine is 555 since forever

[restive heart]

noise-noah-rumani-siren-cindy
scarlet-trina-anis-redhood-thelm
sbs-alice-blanc-centi-jackal

[covert lintel]

max ammo and crit rate s2 are important ig

[swift mango]

as I used her in campaign and gravedigger when I just started

she was my best dps for a week or two

one of my 5 wall breaker too

And sr5

[atomic wolf]

jesus

yeah ok so i actually lose here no doubt

[raven plover]

would be epic if you win

[swift mango]

Who are you in this pic though?

Star?

[covert lintel]

i can confidently crush fahrenh if i win

[raven plover]

https://tenor.com/view/noway-nowaying-what-huh-gif-27487800

https://tenor.com/view/vtactor007-rwmartin-randymartin-krennic-gif-18681777

[swift mango]

That's how you lose.

[atomic wolf]

star

[covert lintel]

normally this team lost against a mirror rosanna, but because pascal get the burst instead this team won

[clear folio]

u win 234 noh? lol

[swift mango]

now go win ca

[swift mango]

No, you won because his rossana suck and couldn't delete the link so your Scar survived the rossana nuke.

[raven plover]

ya ser his ros suck

[swift mango]

but it did delete the link

[raven plover]

the nuke

[coarse lake]

insane cindy clutch, but didn't matter as I still lost 3-2

but cindy won vs this team twice, first time sniping p5 chipped biscuit, this time taking advantage of their rumani to make them have slightly overlapped double invuln

still won, so I basically just lose to straight non-overlap double invuln, anything else... fair game

[swift mango]

Did you helm happened to kill their cindy because p5

[coarse lake]

no, helmt can't kill cindy due to decoy

their invulns actually weren't even overlapped, I didn't even trigger it until after burst

rumani got it first post burst, and noah got it after, noah invuln only ended after full burst ended

still got through

after full burst just ended

[swift mango]

I mean mill their Cindy after the nuke and Noah.

[coarse lake]

no, cindy died last, noah taunt

[swift mango]

otherwise their Cindy must be suck to deal that much DMG comparing to yours

[coarse lake]

yeah it's an alright cindy

[swift mango]

not very alright consider the doll, cp and 32 bullet.

[coarse lake]

well there is also helmt diff

[unique mountain]

Can someone send me a pic of hobo bracket

[swift mango]

@covert lintel

@raven plover

[raven plover]

Im watching strim

ok rakuen gonna send it

[swift mango]

[raven plover]

||egirl strim on twitch||

[swift mango]

:

[shell hazel]

who won between @coarse solstice and @umbral belfry in the end? who was the greatest Scarlet of the duel

[lunar pawn]

Did keripo win

[swift mango]

Send them to mine bracket.

[coarse lake]

yes

[coarse solstice]

That's tomorrows fight. We were talking about it since we knew we'd win todays

[lunar pawn]

[karmic smelt]

My hobomans gonna be the first 3 times champ

[shell hazel]

damn

big fight

https://tenor.com/view/easter-doe-eating-deer-eating-popcorn-funny-gif-4621167703268332056

[swift mango]

Send pic

I swear no one in Hobo bracket know how to screenshot except Rakuen.

[swift mango]

Maybe Keripo could make it this time after all.

[karmic smelt]

Hobomans going to beat the shit out of me, twice

[swift mango]

Just screenshot that top 8 screen so we know how it looks like

[karmic smelt]

Get my fellow rakuen to do that

[swift mango]

he isn't even online rn

[karmic smelt]

Well I’m heading off so yea

[covert lintel]

no, my scar survive because trina max hp buff without heal at start, then get healed by pascal which make my scar can tank that nuke

[swift mango]

Screenshot you top 8 please

[coarse lake]

yeah it's bc pacal topped up scar hp

which is now way higher than her regular, surviving non-crit rosa shot is easy

rapu can do the same, that's the only way for a scar team to live a sg rosa

[swift mango]

I'm confident my team positioning would win against this guy had I didn't lose to the guy who beat me just to lose to him.

Now he's gonna get 2nd time Champion lol

[coarse lake]

[covert lintel]

@karmic smelt you can do it

[karmic smelt]

Thanks for the cheer but I think most of my matchups are disadvantaged lol

I think he’ll slaughter me good

[signal hull]

You never know. My second opponent felt like Shift Up specifically allowed him to counter my best teams, yet he still lost 2 out of 3 fights I thought are guaranteed for him to win.
Point is -- Nikke pvp is weird and unpredictable.

[coarse lake]

what I've found is that a lot of hard counters are actually more like soft counters

[karmic smelt]

Yes but unfortunately I don’t think unpredictability will work against our 2 times champion here

[coarse lake]

moran biscuit sanis vs scar jack
cindy vs slower noah biscuit cindy
sg rosa vs scar jack
all of those "hard counters" can actually go the other way based on invest

[signal hull]

Idk. My 2-times-champion got owned in the middle by 2x Reis.

[coarse solstice]

Alright here's the fight card. I'm bottom attacking. Hime probably has this but figured I'd see what everyone thought. Either way GL top 4!!!!

[raven plover]

nah you got this fahren I dont think Im gonna win against lovemos and you

lovemos put that mihara team on t4 as well wtf

[jagged mesa]

@umbral belfry pog top 4

[jagged mesa]

holy moly you brutalized your top 8 opponent

[karmic smelt]

Hey I’m the Lovemos

[raven plover]

wait I thought youre fahren

[karmic smelt]

I’d hope so lmao

[raven plover]

ok boss you gonna win trust

[coarse solstice]

Got pretty lucky with the line up. 😅

[karmic smelt]

No way you said the same thing last time then smashed me not gonna fall for it again

[coarse solstice]

I think Blanc Biscuit was really clutch. This might just be the lineup for our bracket. Now it's just getting lucky with RNG.

[swift mango]

@umbral crown are you still in?

[jagged mesa]

im rooting for you, but im also rooting for hime

[swift mango]

2 timers I'm rooting for Hime alone.

[jagged mesa]

cup is OUT, its HIME TIME

bringing honor to me and folian's spa bracket

[coarse solstice]

The more I look at it the more I think @umbral belfry has this one. She definitely deserves the frame.

[jagged mesa]

hime had a rough streak not breaking top 32(?) before this

[coarse solstice]

Hime is only allowed to beat me if she wins the finals though

[swift mango]

Plot twist, he cheering for Hobo

[raven plover]

nah Im gonna lose fr

[placid bloom]

top/bot/top/bot/bot looks like.

[karmic smelt]

Nah he’s going with the loser frame

[swift mango]

So a double plot twist

[karmic smelt]

Exactly

[umbral belfry]

THIS TOP 4?

@coarse solstice gl friend

[umbral belfry]

let's change that

[coarse solstice]

You too!! I'm excited to see who wins no matter how it goes. ( I think it would be cool for all of us discord peeps to get a frame though )

[umbral belfry]

will my sg rosa team clutch up and win another scar team is the question though

[midnight marsh]

Yeah Rosy obliterated the f2p running weird stuff. My prediction is that Rosy is going to make it to finals and fight the Japanese guy who runs cookie cutter JP meta for the championship

[placid bloom]

think the issue with round 2 is that there's no extra burst gen to work with once LapT dies, so top can never be 2RL but bot will be 2RL with ele advantage to Ros hitting Helm

[umbral belfry]

yeah either way it's gonna be

[placid bloom]

all of the exact 100% gauge 2RL teams need everyone alive to maintain speed

[umbral belfry]

r2 I see is 50/50. unsure if drake will die fast enough but I lean possibly. the question then becomes:

• can moran taunt before rosa's second nuke which wouldve been at lap

[placid bloom]

AR takes 6 seconds to empty clip

[umbral belfry]

bc if so, I see moran dying from it due to being at low enough hp

[placid bloom]

and Helm is shooting at Noir because attacker SR shoots at p5

so Drake should never die to just LapT + tanks

[umbral belfry]

helm is shooting noir?

[placid bloom]

only way Moran taunts is at burst, but you won't be 2RL

[umbral belfry]

I have to back to work soon so I can't doublt check

but I'm defending no?

oh yean you're right

[placid bloom]

I thought you're attacker? Or are you not top

[umbral belfry]

I'm defending

so shouldn't she be attacking drake

[coarse solstice]

I'm SG attacking though, does that mean I'll attack P1?

[umbral belfry]

that increases chances of drake dying then

[umbral belfry]

yes you're attacking moran

[placid bloom]

oh I got confused because I am used to attacker being top on deck matchup

that changes a lot

[umbral belfry]

higher chances of drake dying then though

[placid bloom]

yeah it SG is never killing Moran then

[umbral belfry]

morans taunt is instant though so that's why it's a hard rd to simulate

g2g back to work

[still dawn]

No biscuit?

[karmic smelt]

Or actually the plot untwisted itself

[shell hazel]

sharpen your scarlets

[swift mango]

Bro keeps wasting his gem on hitting me... He didn't even get C4 this time.

[eternal finch]

Any recs for another DEF team? Current one no longer works witht he new ladder.

[unique wagon]

Now that I think about it @umbral belfry how tf did u snatch the username cookie before someone took it

Its definitely a sought after username

Were you the first ones to get the username thingy?

[umbral crown]

Will check now, lets pray

[shell hazel]

most popular Hime

[unique wagon]

She has 6 years+ of nitro

Must have been a popular figure somewhere else

[swift mango]

This is main reason 2rl Emi is pretty bad...

[jagged mesa]

guys im about to commit resources to maid anchor for campaign (no doll materials though :x) could someone give me a quick rundown on anchor teams in pvp

[unique wagon]

None

[jagged mesa]

seriously? i thought there were a couple niche teams

[swift mango]

So it's good that Keripo is doing well with it.

[unique wagon]

R u sure its Emi who gets the crit buff anyway im sure ur Helm treasure will

[tropic summit]

use her in either indom or on double buff

[swift mango]

I'm super sure. My helmT got zero ATK line.

[unique wagon]

Uwu

[tropic summit]

here's 3 examples

[swift mango]

And it doesn't matter when 2rl Emi get blocked by 3rl Noah anyway.

[unique wagon]

I think you need sleep

[swift mango]

[unique wagon]

I think your reading skill dropped from 95 to 0

[tropic summit]

it's 6PM here, bedtime is still further away

oh maid anchor

now i see

[unique wagon]

Thats even worse. Reading skill already dropped even before bedtime.

[tropic summit]

she's generic B2 literally fits anything

[jagged mesa]

i didnt know who was more confused for a second

lmao

[swift mango]

So you mean his reading skill never gets to 100 at all.

[unique wagon]

Yeah no one does but especially him

[swift mango]

Unless their name is Kisenix their reading score will never be 100.

[tropic summit]

both woke up on your periods?

[shell hazel]

I think my reading skill drops to like 20 after middday

[tropic summit]

or you're just naturally predisposed to be POs

[umbral crown]

@tropic summit

https://tenor.com/view/screaming-screaming-lady-slinet-scream-gif-23475278

[shell hazel]

lock in 🔒

[unique wagon]

My reading score is 96. Must put myself +1 from Railtracer for legal purposes.

[swift mango]

About time you be champ

[umbral crown]

[tropic summit]

maid anchor teams

the latter is used in CA aswell as copium stalling

[swift mango]

My reading skill is 69 and I won't take any other score.

[shell hazel]

reading skill: 404 (not found)

[mint fog]

this is a first.

[jagged mesa]

thanks, that team 2 is similar to what i had in mind but i didnt know if it was just a dumb idea or not

[tropic summit]

can't even bet on you, RNG didn't allow it

[tropic summit]

in SP arena it's dumb on defense, abusable by scarlet

[swift mango]

@tropic summit here is your someone who woke up on their period.

[limber patrol]

how much stat penalty is there in pvp?
I literally have like 500k, and I'm somehow losing to 600k teams that never burst

[tropic summit]

let the gems fly

[tropic summit]

multiply enemy CP score for 0.846, that's the minimun CP you need to avoid stat deficit

600k x 0.846 = you need to be 507.6

[limber patrol]

at how much deficit is unplayable?

[mint fog]

Thoughts? Can win?

[shell hazel]

below 84.6% 😄

[tropic summit]

scarlet can handle 18-20%, biscuit locked teams can handle 22-24%

[jagged mesa]

im very limited in resources and materials compared to my peers so ill take whatever i can get

[limber patrol]

biscuit is dying though...

[tropic summit]

biscuit not in p2 else you can say bayonara to her within 2RL

[mint fog]

42-43% is pretty much impossible.
But you start to feel the mald around 30-35% deficit.

[limber patrol]

I have no choice 😭

[swift mango]

You probably can't win even if it's not deficit...

[mint fog]

Oh wait this is PVP, pretty much above 20% deficit is an uphill battle.

[swift mango]

You probably can't win even if it's not deficit...

[mint fog]

I think so too, not sure how to counter the comps.

[swift mango]

There are ways but I don't know you have the CP.

[mint fog]

I'm about to break 521, so that's a cp boost there.

[limber patrol]

what is anchor doing in pvp?

[umbral crown]

Hehe happens, will have to check now the teams of pepper n

[shell hazel]

she's useful just more in CA

there are better options for SPA because she's a bit on the slow side

[coarse solstice]

Stall comps, battery when missing better units

[swift mango]

Try

Rumani+Noah+Cindy+HelmT+Biscuit to hit Scarlet

Scar+Trina+flex+flex+Jackal to hit team 3

You could win even with some deficit like this

[shell hazel]

that team 3 looks kind of meh no defence

cindy even p2 for more burst gen

[swift mango]

30% deficit and you smelt.

[shell hazel]

guess noise and anchor boosts a bit

[swift mango]

[shell hazel]

don't think they're 30% though, most of the cp looks OK

[limber patrol]

how can I make 3rd team work then?
they are in the order I have them.

[swift mango]

Ofc

[limber patrol]

was using this before but it's unplayable with the deficit, so I made it 3RL but have nearly 500k combat power on each

Also Rei doesn't one shot on deficit... and has less combat power than SAnis...

[void cave]

Bottom wins, right? Another possible case of majority choosing solely from past season rank and previous battle record (top got full wins for top 8)

[atomic wolf]

if i make it into finals

i automatically lose

so i either lose at top 4 or top 2 doesn't matter

[mint fog]

thank you.

[onyx scaffold]

Send teams baby

[mint fog]

lfg

[umbral belfry]

uhhh iirc discord let the earliest members choose their name first? i think i made my discord acc during its first yr lmao

[midnight marsh]

[onyx scaffold]

For siren, either tempering or highest level cube for better sustain in case enemy brings scarlet

[swift mango]

Yeah, cp is a problem in SpA. That's why I CP pad my campaign units to keep up the CP.

[swift mango]

Vigor is actually just as good.

She only needs to deal with the counters before burst. Not surviving a nuke or anything.

[coarse solstice]

@unique wagon wants your UN .... You'll have to fight for it now. Only fair

[limber rampart]

Does anyone know this guy? He seems to have some kind of obsession with losing

[swift mango]

He wanted you to know him.

[coarse solstice]

Chasing that clout from being in 1st. Are they top 4?

[signal hull]

I thought I was nuts for spending 300-500 gems per season in SpA, back when I was struggling to keep one of top 3 positions, but compared to these naggas I'm perfectly normal.

[onyx scaffold]

Yeah but who would level up vigor instead of tempering in this economy

I might need to use vigor for siren so she wont steal my dps indom 🤔

[umbral belfry]

😭

[strange linden]

why the CA mode takes so looong to load, it's awful

[midnight marsh]

[carmine summit]

Hey anyone that can help my defending teams?

[swift mango]

I have lv7 for both. Not like lv15 make a big difference in tank-ability

DPS might want higher level tempering for the Ele and ATK. But for tank, it's not big a difference.

---

So who is pulling for K?

[umbral belfry]

🦗

Maybe if collab wasn't next

[swift mango]

At least Arcana was a RL buffer. K offer nothing at all for Arena.

[umbral belfry]

[swift mango]

So I feel like I have to disappoint my DKWai

So much for the anti human units, none of them suitable for Arena....

[umbral belfry]

stellar blade pvp unit trust

[swift mango]

My SR15 on DKW was a dub... That's part of why I couldn't never be true Pvper like Rosy

[swift mango]

Maybe someone good would come. Maybe.

[umbral belfry]

[onyx scaffold]

Team 3. Remove liter. She isn't bursting. Rapunzel bursts. U can use that treasure Laplace

Remove S.Anis too tbh. Use someone with faster burst gen. Check pin for burst gen chart/deck

[swift mango]

The Collab units in Arena meta right now are ReiT, Emi and Makima.

If we had enough burst gen, maybe Rei.A could join as well.

[carmine summit]

Thank you

[onyx scaffold]

The fire Rei can nuke too

Currently I need Viper/Anne replacement

[swift mango]

That's what my follow up comment is for.

[onyx scaffold]

I could use 2B if I did invest in her. Heh

A2 can have slots too

The diff is, Eva has PvE usage, so they are invested

[carmine summit]

Who would you use for liter?

[onyx scaffold]

Laplace treasure is fast

Idk who you have lol. Maybe Rumani if u have her

[carmine summit]

I have all except 3 random ones I think

[swift mango]

They are pretty much useless these days. Not really good option anymore unless they make new Arena which requires 10 teams.

Or Seasonal units ban

[onyx scaffold]

Yeah use Laplace and rumani instead of liter s.anis

[carmine summit]

Rumani is the one I don’t have Sadge