pvp-arena

[quick lake]

My 17% and 18% cs units have visibly diff shooting times

[swift mango]

[swift mango]

My 17% and 15% as well

[quick lake]

buggged

[swift mango]

[quick lake]

pvp dead game mode

[swift mango]

I mean 30 frames is always 30 frames. How does CS even reduce the number of frames? It makes no sense to me. There is also positioning that makes bullets hit faster.

And apparently not as much as 3% CS per position

[quick lake]

It just refers to reducing the charge time. More cs%, less charge time, faster projectile

CN math, not mine

From 2 time CA champion

[swift mango]

@raven plover math me this

[quick lake]

Doesnt account for postioning

[crystal flicker]

Do you have the complete pos to pos travel speed chart

[quick lake]

best we have is this

Credits to testers/translators

[swift mango]

Apparently my Biscuit only have 10%

4.67+3.18+2.12

[quick lake]

Time to roll that 2.12

[swift mango]

2.12 is the cube

[quick lake]

🧱

[crystal flicker]

Thanks!

[swift mango]

If it works it works

[crystal flicker]

That just bad comp smh

[swift mango]

Did you even watch? 10% biscuit is enough for Noah to not stun.

I spent my SpA hit for that.

Dude is Gemmer and he hit back in 5 mins anyway

He only offline 4 hour per day the longest.

Why does he need good DEF comp?

[dire root]

Yeah I was going to try to outstall them but I don't think that is going to work, my best bet may be to use Siren to stall SBS or kill SBS before burst some how.

[restive willow]

does this means that if you want to block 2RL b3 with 2.5RL b2 (noah), you are pretty much required to use shotguns because you have to fill burst within 0.517 seconds after 2RL timing?

[dire root]

Jackal would also be pretty strong against that comp with the SMG and SG feeding her.

[swift mango]

I don't see how SG would have enough burst gen for that, Try 21%+ CS helm and lapT, or 33+% emi

[restive willow]

with suicide rosanna based comps and enough clip sg, 2.5RL should be doable. This is more accounting for CA

[swift mango]

With Rossana sacc it would be 2rl.

[restive willow]

The chart seems to imply 5SG b2 is faster than 2RL b3, but 2.5RL b2 is slower

[dire root]

Does this look winable?

[quick lake]

Honestly I havent mathed myself so lets see:

2RL is at 2.6s, add in FB -> 1,2,3
2.6 + 0.417 + 0.517 + 0.517 = 4.051s. Means 2RL B3 nuke happens at 4.051s. So we need 2.5RL Noah to proc before this.

Working backwards,
4.051 - 0.117 -0.517 - 0.417 = 3.00s

This means how 2.5RL Noah needs to have full burst bar at 3.00s. That's between 5SG and 50 smg

[restive willow]

Yeah, accounting for projectile, this seems to mean Helm needs at least 16.3% CS (3.87 - 2.6 - 0.517 - 0.267 = 0.486) if she is the one responsible for 2.5RL speed into block 2RL b3 with noah

In this case, what's the real purpose of 2.5RL calculations?

[crystal flicker]

So Siren stun actually 2.574 RL
Noah 2RL is 2.82RL
So it should be Noah/La+ that fill your gen, while biscuit still travelling

[pearl fractal]

this is the team im using rn is it good?

my units

[quick lake]

Helm projectile needs to land at 3.00s i think?

That's like 29% cs.. based on my (bad) envelope math

[wanton island]

no jackal?

[pearl fractal]

i have jackal

[restive willow]

Essentially since burst gauge -> 1, 1 -> 2 are shared factors, canceling them out, to cancel 2RL b3 with Helm hitscan, we are left with (2RL + projectile + "2 -> 3 delay") < (3RL - "time saved from Helm CS")

[wanton island]

what i use for rookie atm

dw bout my rank. im too lazy to slap everyone

[pearl fractal]

is this the best in the game rn?

[quick lake]

yes, looks correct

[wanton island]

i havent seen anyone beat it yet (but anything is beatable)

[restive willow]

so 3.87 (3RL) - 2.6 (2RL) - 0.517 (2->3 delay) - 0.267 (projectile) = 0.486s time save required on Helm, across three of her shots

[swift mango]

Hmm maybe it was because my RH should cover instead of biscuit.

[quick lake]

16%... math correct but seems abit too low

[quick lake]

Noah should have a 0.117s delay i think

[restive willow]

But at the same time the enemy b3 has the same delay right

[quick lake]

Enemy B3 nuke should be instant, in the case of scar

so its (0.486 + 0.117 )/3 = 0.21

[restive willow]

Going from the sheet, with the delay 2RL scarlet should hit at 2.6 + 0.417 + 0.517 + 0.517 + 0.117 is 4.167s, and it checks out with the note saying 2RL scarlet hits at 4.17s

[quick lake]

Still looks low

[restive willow]

hitscan is fast and projectiles are slow, I guess

[quick lake]

Me no math

[restive willow]

I still don't get then why 2.5RL is relevant on RLs other than going slightly faster than the opponent. Unless there are some crazy CS builds like 25%, at 17%, it sounds like 2RL and 2.5RL will interact similarly to 2RL and 3RL in the sense that the bursts are weaved the same way.

[quick lake]

Ah okay. The main reason for 17%, is to B1 before opponent B3, which can actually be achieved at 15% already

So Moran/Noise bursting before 2RL nuke

With Noise/Moran B1, in theory u should be able to tank 2RL Scar Trina with dupes + Tempering

[crystal flicker]

I might be wrong but Isn't Sniper doesn't have Travel speed?

[quick lake]

yes u're right, no travel speed

[quick lake]

My league's champion has 25% Helm lost to him twice

[wanton island]

cs?

[restive willow]

Why 15%? It looks like 8% is enough. 2.6 + 0.517 * 2 - 3.87 = 0.236, so that's less than 8% CS required per shot

[quick lake]

Yes

[quick lake]

Hmm that's true if u add in projectile time, probably >8% is safer

[wanton island]

yall are dedicated with helm... here i am waiting

[restive willow]

Damn that's actually insane. 4 black cs?

[quick lake]

Tbh, the 15%/17% number previously thrown around was from old theorycrafts that are kinda out-dated (and not necessarily empirical)

[crystal flicker]

Ppl go such to sec to detail, while it's easier to calc using RL

[restive willow]

except RLs break down when you account for SG or hitscans

[quick lake]

yeah. Too used to thinking in RLs

[restive willow]

That timing chart is godsend

[quick lake]

Well, 99% of the population wouldnt think too deeply into the math

[wanton island]

most will copy meta

"well that person won"

[quick lake]

Yeah. I think heuristics-wise, 15% to B1 before opponent B3 is minimum. 18% if u can afford it. 25% CS Helm has some benefits if u wanna go for it

[crystal flicker]

I wont bother calc the travel speed since it's constant

[wanton island]

travel speed isnt fps linked?

[quick lake]

Like Hobo mentioned, the only time this micro analysis matters is when u're doing a Scar vs Scar 2RL match up

[nimble swan]

How did you calculate this exactly? Can I read about it somewhere? I'd like to be able to calculate everything like this too

[wanton island]

makes me want to build an app to calculate this nonsense

[quick lake]

There have been some efforts, but we are literally missing data

[wanton island]

why i haven't started

plus its just a gacha, and not worth my effort... yet

[quick lake]

Ohh indeed. It really means that 11% cs needed for Noah to escape Siren stun

[wanton island]

tbf i think there is enough data to be close though

[quick lake]

yeah. I think Kosmiu was stuck at calculating SMG wind-up

Maybe we wait when Kosmiu is more free to continue the project

[oblique ridge]

On who? Is it just Noah that needs the 11% cs in a 2RL team with Noah in it?

[quick lake]

The whole team needs to be at 11% cs. So its 2RL with effectively 11% cs on everyone

[quick lake]

Change the 17% to 11% probably. Honestly might need even more if u account for projectile delay

[crystal flicker]

or just 25% CS

[shell hazel]

level 6 scam 😦

too muck variance on simple luck unfortunately

[livid marsh]

Maybe try from level 1

[shell hazel]

back to the basics

[fast wren]

Hey guys... For rookie, would scarlet/blanc/trina/jackal/helmT be a good team for defense? What would be considered the current God comp of rookie? Thanks in advance...

[fast wren]

That team comp in that order

[crystal flicker]

Yeah that's pretty good, though the dmg might be smaller vs Scarlet Trina or Scarlet RH

I use similar comp and afk at #1 Rookie

[fast wren]

Ok thanks, will try 😃

[gilded sluice]

how to defeat this team?

[glad glade]

Best of luck to everyone who is hunting for the betting frames. For me, hopefully I get the streaks right to get the silver one this time

[spare nimbus]

Liter trina scarlet thelm jackal should work

[raven plover]

[swift mango]

What if you are the one who attack against SG team in CA.

[swift mango]

It's easily beatable with common SG Rosa team, unless his Siren had more ATK than his Helm.

[swift mango]

It needs be all off them hitting to be barely enough for 2rl but RH pierced cover in that video.

[covert lintel]

2rl scar

[swift mango]

Kinda spending all my rock just to get 3rd CS for biscuit. It hasn't been well.

[covert lintel]

I intended to open 3 lines no matter what the stat is but never lucky
7 times

[restive heart]

[glad glade]

Right before the SB collab too?

[onyx scaffold]

When else do u want?
Right before summer?
Right before anni?
Right before winter?
Or right before new year?

And if u think about it, the guy spends right after 2.5 anni. It means he got lucky during half anni

[jagged mesa]

i also think this sometimes

sometimes, according to the community it's never the righ ttime to spend gems lol

[summer copper]

every time is the right time

especially for a pretty much infinite resource like gems

[umbral crown]

Yeah

Sometimes we can do 50 pulls and just get Rs and SRs but when you gem in arena you get knowlegde

[crystal flicker]

Biscuit's volley still travelling when the bar reach 100%

[raven plover]

[loud sonnet]

Maybe i should've put s.anis in p1 instead or the result will be the same?

[covert lintel]

Change rh to p4 you'll win

[loud sonnet]

Ill try that next time he hits me

[covert lintel]

Remember fighting sbs will make your p3 take dmg too

[loud sonnet]

I made a mistake in my first fight with JR

[limpid nebula]

wait why did this team lose?

biscuit cindy i just realised, how to win against this?

[daring gust]

Hello what's the best 3 pvp teams for sp.arena now?

[covert lintel]

2rl Scar trina will do

[limpid nebula]

immune tia and cindy, tilted, i even swap siren with redhood

[quick lake]

check pins FAQ

[raven plover]

the enemy team managed to burst?

[quick lake]

biscuit invuln thats why

[limpid nebula]

i cant remember, but i think so

[quick lake]

Cindy that bursts first loses

avoid running cindy vs cindy

[limpid nebula]

crown rng will die as well

[raven plover]

but if he burst first the enemy cant burst

tia needs to reenter

[covert lintel]

Of course she'd die, you kill midhara

[limpid nebula]

mannn i underestimated his team

is like blanc 2.0

[raven plover]

mihaha dot kill his team?

[quick lake]

Just run 4RL some nuke besides cindy

[limpid nebula]

his T1 have blanc too

[covert lintel]

In my brain simulation yes

[hollow lagoon]

2rl scarlet nuke, 3rl helm burst with noah tank

[limpid nebula]

idk what happen but all dies off except my cindy

[covert lintel]

Cindy has decoy so she won't die quickly like other nikke

[limpid nebula]

yeah i think his cindy decoy then tia got immune from biscuit, my cindy maybe wipe the rest but his cindy outlast mine

[glad meteor]

You’re burstin with rh

[limpid nebula]

for the 2nd attempt and still fail

[glad meteor]

Cindy burst better I think

Mihara damage

[raven plover]

:dorowutdahel:

[limpid nebula]

i think i will use this nxt reset, if attk buff wont work idk man

trina and rh swap

uninvested scarlet :/

[quick lake]

its fine, should be able to nuke through

[glad meteor]

@quick lake you think mihara damage enough to beat this?

[quick lake]

Cookie Cutter SPA Team Setup
Scar Trina xMaiden Laplace.T Jackal (2RL)
Noah Centi Cindy Helm.T Noise (2RL)
Blanc SBS/SAnis Biscuit Emilia Rumani (3RL)

[glad meteor]

Mihara+ cindy autos

Mihara is still iffy

[quick lake]

idk, just use 3RL units, get boosed to 2RL and nuke

[glad meteor]

noticed the cindy doesn’t have doll

[limpid nebula]

no luck on RL dolls

[daring gust]

I don't have trina. Anyway you don't use siren on sp arena?

[glad meteor]

[quick lake]

Scar Blanc RH laplace Jackal
Noise Centi* Cindy THelm xMaiden*
Noah Emilia Biscuit Siren Rumani
(*) mean quantum equipped

[limpid nebula]

how to win against blanc team? also burst b4 blanc burst?

[quick lake]

2 ways. Either u nuke 1RL faster using Scar Nuke, or
burst 0.5-1RL slower with Blanc SBS

[glad meteor]

I think siren is good in like a noise noah comp.

Messes up the burst chain and intended indom target

[covert lintel]

Wait, emilia in 2 teams?

[quick lake]

Oops edited

[atomic wolf]

Here's the problem

THelm/Rumani is a waste for how versatile 2RL Scarlet comp can go

[limpid nebula]

i agree but another factor is cp, so i kinna balancing RL speed and cp to avoid the 15% deficit, i will try work on free-ing more units for other teams

[atomic wolf]

fair enough

[upper grove]

how does rosanna burst work again if no attackers are present?

[umbral belfry]

she attacks 2 units depending on her placement

but I forgot which specifically

too many to count

[upper grove]

guy I want to hit has the following, ordered by highest stats to lowest:
Noise Noah Thelm Biscuit Rapu
Scar Trina RH Centi Jackal
Bsoda Tdrake Blanc Rosanna Rumani

I want to hit team 2 and 3, lowest stat diff, 25 lvls difference

would this work? I'm on the left, bracket has no sanis or emilia. Or do I have to change positioning because of rosanna burst?

[calm gull]

lucky bracket

[midnight marsh]

@umbral crown
You did it
#pvp-arena message

[loud sonnet]

Another lose

[covert lintel]

2 win 1 lose @swift mango

[swift mango]

What were you won and lost against?

[covert lintel]

1 lose because it get match up with noah biscuit. a nemesis team

[swift mango]

[swift mango]

What you won? Hope it's not some 5 RL flexes

[covert lintel]

wait, i'll ss
i think it's throw away team

What is this

[atomic wolf]

I think I lose

[covert lintel]

I thought i would lose against this rosanna

[regal garden]

and how they come up with players in the SP arena? same as rookie? "same timers"?

[midnight marsh]

yeah, same general timeframe of account creation

[dim escarp]

nice

[midnight marsh]

hah wow my alt's MoraBiskSAnis survived NoiseNoahCindy

[crystal flicker]

Am I trippin or ScarBS Bypass Biscuit Immune

[placid bloom]

3rd hit isn't dist dmg, it hits lowest Def

well 3rd slash normally, 1st slash with burst

if you don't have taunter she will kill you slowly starting from lowest def target

[crystal flicker]

I think the biggest issue is Biscuit stealing Indom

[placid bloom]

yes her 3rd slash proc is very strong, it can easily outdamage rocket splash damage on p2

so you need endurance cube to stop her from changing indom target

[crystal flicker]

I'll consider that later then

[onyx scaffold]

my bracket has a bot too

[crystal flicker]

Ein hits like a truck lol

[swift mango]

A waste of HelmT, Centi and Anis

[calm gull]

thats just a bad/unlucky comp positioning

anyway grats

[onyx scaffold]

that is a bot lord

[calm gull]

tho I dont understand about this
3 of them score the same

[placid bloom]

1 lose to 2, 2 lose to 3, 3 lose to 1 surely

or some variation

[onyx scaffold]

they simply beat each other

[calm gull]

not sure which beat which

[onyx scaffold]

go ask them

my 2 worst teams won 3/3

[placid bloom]

no top 64 for me, my SBS ran into Biscuit tank twice and my SG team got wrecked twice too

[clear folio]

worried for nothing, noise vs scar not even close lol

[umbral belfry]

survived

[covert lintel]

Maybe they just don't care
The actual fighting is against overlord

[atomic wolf]

AW NAH I WON XDDDDDDDDDD

[placid bloom]

how does Drake burst targeting work? She one-shot my p2 SBS

[atomic wolf]

this is both impressive and concerning

[placid bloom]

This one is actually the unluckiest for me, that’s not even an indom RH. She just straight up survived 1HP from Cinderella burst and Moran lived just long enough to tank for her to kill Cinderella

[raven plover]

https://tenor.com/view/damn-damn-damn-damn-damn-right-dame-time-gif-18029769

[atomic wolf]

other two team wiped the floor so it's expected anyhow

[swift mango]

Man Aoki (my opponent in last Semi final) got his luck stolen today.

Losing against the same team in same position twice...

[atomic wolf]

the first one sbs indom is really annoying because once again 2rl indom but most importantly it's holding on to dear life that sbs' health drains down fast enough for that

the second one however is borderline diabolical

laplace treasure is insane

[clear folio]

lore accurate xD

[covert lintel]

My team so weird
Rosanna never burst

[raven plover]

damn so close

[dim escarp]

https://tenor.com/view/dead-my-honest-reaction-damn-skull-skeleton-gif-15885937969029652188

[swift mango]

3rl Cindy won against 2rl Scar soda.

Poor man copy my team but didn't make Soda p1.

[crystal flicker]

It's crazy Ein after damage + Blanc + RH, not even Nero can safe this lol

[hollow lagoon]

made it

[signal hull]

Yeeeeeeeeeeee! I've made it to 64! Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!
...I don't care that much tho, but YEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!
I guess I do care.

[glacial lion]

rh b2...

[placid bloom]

does RH B2 taunt before Siren stun

[glacial lion]

wheres siren?

[placid bloom]

I know but just curious on timing

[onyx scaffold]

i won top 64 just to get 5-0

[coarse solstice]

My Noah dodges is with 0 charge speed in position 2. The helm on that team does have 17cs though but we are talking a frame of difference

[glacial lion]

huh, game use rh b2 before noah got stun???

[signal hull]

Ugh. I think 64 is as far as I'll go this time again T_T

[raven plover]

wtf

[hollow lagoon]

@nimble swan you were taken out it seems

@shell hazel where's my tav?

[umbral belfry]

@wet crystal

[placid bloom]

there was no dodge, you bursted Biscuit

just that the other team couldn't beat Biscuit invin alone anyway

[hollow lagoon]

what evil is dis

if match counts tie then it just goes to highest cp?

[raven plover]

ye noah taunt siren with auto atk

[placid bloom]

Idk if anyone actually figured out tiebreaker decider

[coarse lake]

ofc

[umbral belfry]

no way did tbis happen to hippo for the 2nd time

[coarse lake]

that's why you run p1 p2 siren

[umbral belfry]

running linked siren p1

there's no escape

[hollow lagoon]

breh it did he's not in top 64

[umbral belfry]

that's some bad luck wtf 😭

[coarse solstice]

Gotcha, I saw the stun appear while Noahs face was on the side and thought she beat it by a frame

[calm gull]

welp, I guess I wont make it to top 32

[umbral belfry]

this is the CA I get out of top 32 he'll i can sense it

[hollow lagoon]

i'm honestly not feeling high score with my brew, feel like i shoulda put siren and cinderella somewhere but kek i wanted to do it for meme

[placid bloom]

Idk if my SBS Blanc win rate can get any lower, I think it's been losing like 80% of the time or something

but I have nothing else to run

[coarse solstice]

Last chance lol biscuit better put in some work

[umbral belfry]

ein indom?

[signal hull]

f-ng hell, how is it possible, my next opponent feels like he had a chance to specifically sit down and craft teams countering all mine...

[coarse solstice]

That or a meme. Not sure which one

[hollow lagoon]

that's how i felt first champ arena at the finals

[umbral belfry]

stellar blade collab will save us from sbs indom trust

[swift mango]

Lower my CP and got hit by someone else.

[placid bloom]

I don't think anything can save me other than SAnis rerun and pulling Noah

[hollow lagoon]

no more indom on my part

[umbral belfry]

benched

[hollow lagoon]

laplace burst dont hit as hard is i would have hoped, but i see some guy with p4 Siren that i might encounter later on my mica debuff cleanse lol it might come clutch

[worthy knoll]

What are you talking about, it is a Blanc team, how can you even expect Nero team to be safe

[raven plover]

-100 gems

[swift mango]

Np

[hollow lagoon]

benched the following: cinderella/blanc/noise/siren

[swift mango]

That's gem is used to test team on the C2 gemmer.

[hollow lagoon]

oh wait i should have had nero tank for team 2

nooooooooooooooooooooo

[umbral belfry]

[hollow lagoon]

man

i was like oh noes my noah gonna get sirened, but then i remembered why i used a XMica

[placid bloom]

XMica cleanse before Siren stun though

you need like 3RL XMica

[hollow lagoon]

oh boi

[placid bloom]

only one that can stop Siren stun before it happens is Ade

[hollow lagoon]

tragic me its not a constant?

[mighty haven]

[hollow lagoon]

wwelp learn something new

[empty cedar]

I have a question how does Moran taunt work?

Because during this round I was against a shot gun team and they didn't target rapunzel

[hollow lagoon]

final bullet

[placid bloom]

Moran taunt on last bullet or at B1

you are attacker side so you not shooting p5 anyway

you shooting p1

[hollow lagoon]

oh its a shot gun team they do weird shit

[umbral belfry]

you're attacking, SGs hit p1 when attacking

[empty cedar]

So during cp arena shotguns hit the p1

[covert lintel]

You became gemmer now

[umbral belfry]

in all arena forms

[placid bloom]

depend on if you are attacker or defender

left is attacker, right is defender

[umbral belfry]

when they attack, defending is opposite

[hollow lagoon]

shot guns and snipers target weird if defending i think?

[placid bloom]

sniper target p5 on attack, SG target p5 on defense

otherwise target p1 like everyone else

[empty cedar]

P5 on defense huh

[placid bloom]

it's always gambling

[empty cedar]

For CP how you know you are attacking or not or it default that both are attacking

[placid bloom]

sometimes SG can steamroll, sometimes you get walled by p1 tank

[empty cedar]

Random huh

[placid bloom]

it's just RNG

[hollow lagoon]

#3 of my server bracket looks a bit cooked

[placid bloom]

dw surely 3% SR means PvE main

[forest oar]

Any advice for these teams in rookie?
Was doing scarlet/thelm/blanc/rh/jackal and noah/biscuit/sanis/thelm/jackal against them but they don’t really work so

Also is there any particularly good def team or is def just pain cause getting hit 10x a day is annoying af

[shell hazel]

deadge, 3 way tie again lol

[swift mango]

I only gem when needed. Dude gem 1000+ a day when he couldn't win.

[hollow lagoon]

the sad part is they both are

[swift mango]

[raven plover]

for league Im not sure if we figure it out but
on CA cheer screen, left one is attacking
on the player list, top / left are both atk side, bottom / right defending

[swift mango]

[shell hazel]

pretty sure this is backwards again

guy in 3rd probably should be 1st

the mega whale

[hollow lagoon]

Red has been holding 3# in server 24171 for the past entirity of its existance without a crown

[raven plover]

you should put s3 winner instead of "me"

[swift mango]

[hollow lagoon]

CP padding does matter so ti seems

[raven plover]

battle of winners

[mighty haven]

First Top64 for me

[hollow lagoon]

blood won season 3?

[raven plover]

he did yea

[placid bloom]

Btw can anyone with spare attack left check if Drake burst has hidden priority to target highest Atk? Otherwise Idk how it aim at SBS

[covert lintel]

My sg next opponent @swift mango
Obviously lose

[shell hazel]

nah they had decentish comps and a lot of cores, but also all the units possible like rumani 😄

[hollow lagoon]

welp another person here has pretty frame good good

[swift mango]

[raven plover]

thats means you gonna win the other 4

[swift mango]

Well, it's early voting. Wait still tomorrow it would be 10/90 at least

[hollow lagoon]

if i some how win this, which is like very low chance, ill go full blue comp next round

[tropic summit]

i hope so give that lad a chance

[swift mango]

Chat, should I vote for a losing treat now?

[coarse solstice]

You serious....

[swift mango]

My last season I got vote against every single day to top 1.

[chilly furnace]

I always vote for lost.. but got spook 1 win everytime
Frick rng

[covert lintel]

All ppl get confused

[umbral belfry]

valid crash out moment

[hollow lagoon]

feels like CA is 30% comps 60% luck 8% version difference and 2% cp padding

[covert lintel]

I don't have the confidence

[raven plover]

https://tenor.com/view/pray-anime-k-on-bless-bow-gif-24287271

[placid bloom]

well if you have more resources for skill books and OL gear you can win matchups that normally look losing, it just don't work for slow PvE teams

[swift mango]

[nimble swan]

Yeah, my Scar team lost every matchup... I guess I should have used rapu as B1. She really needed healing.
I can't see @shell hazel too in top 64

Losing to 2-3 again

so irritating

[hollow lagoon]

pleaz dont vote for me

my comp is meme

i wanted to work with laplace burst

[nimble swan]

first cheer is not on you yet

[severe nimbus]

that moment when you sign in to check CA to pick a cheer target...and discover your jank, low effort team setup actually made it into the tournament.

[hollow lagoon]

gratz

[severe nimbus]

no idea why I am first though...since 2nd and 3rd both have the same amount of wins and losses as me LOL. I'll take it though.

[hollow lagoon]

cp

[nimble swan]

Also I was freakin attacking but even like this my sg team almost won against rosa. Btw I was in pos 4 or the bottom one in the group and everyone said i should have been defending.
I think it's completely random, unlike top64

[hollow lagoon]

i expected to get yeeted in qualifications but i made to top 4 last season

[nimble swan]

Tell us what's your secret

[umbral belfry]

it's def random, I was placed 2nd but was attacking 1st 😭

[hollow lagoon]

uhhhh, use rapunzel title to convert horni energy and faith into luck

[nimble swan]

[nimble swan]

damn... so you didn't advance to top 64 too?

[umbral belfry]

no I made it, but the atk/def for league are def weird as we suspected

[severe nimbus]

that can't be it. the 3rd place player has a smidge more CP than me. I suppose it might be based on the number of individual wins per player? I had 7 total wins...so maybe the other 2 only had 6 total wins?

[mighty haven]

If I could hug XMaiden I would

[nimble swan]

yeah it's random shit definitely. congrats tho

[mighty haven]

Time for you to cheer yourself^%^

[nimble swan]

Actually the more i invested in my units and more preparations i did for CA the worse results I got. Next CA I will just go yolo

[swift mango]

First time people cheering for me in ages but I had to cheer for someone else.

[wild patio]

Cmon michel, you gotta try harder just like I did

[swift mango]

It's the other way around.

You should try hard just like he did.

[tropic summit]

[wild patio]

you were saying?

https://tenor.com/view/anger-yelling-you-know-how-much-i-sacrificed-willen-dafoe-green-goblin-gif-15742158

[umbral belfry]

Pvp in chat

[wild patio]

Until anyone spent 3k gems for pvp in 1 season, never talk to me about sweating in pvp

[wild patio]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man3-sam-raimi-peter-parker-i-forgive-you-gif-22166280

[swift mango]

I think you should slow down. No time to think if you did 7 battles in 10 minutes...

[wild patio]

https://tenor.com/view/pray-crying-black-guy-pleading-plead-gif-15911108386383402751

I just want Noah man...

[swift mango]

I was C1 in early day beating my current whale without Noah... And never fall down of top 3 until I got her and until now.

[wet crystal]

you better get out of T32 this time

[nimble swan]

hello, I spent at least 3k

[wild patio]

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-rising-revengeance-armstrong-vs-raiden-armstrong-handshake-raiden-handshake-mgrr-gif-2525627753368873795

[umbral belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/kiss-gif-26422772

forgive me for what i must do to get out of top 32 hell

[swift mango]

10 minutes before dude pulled his heart out.

[wicked horizon]

Does Siren manage to stun a 2RL Scarlet?

[umbral belfry]

but, the one match between us I'm ? about us t2

[swift mango]

Yes if p1 always.

[umbral belfry]

I know stall teams has to be super invested though, it's my first time fighting this team in particular

[wicked horizon]

Anyone here taking the aggro instead somehow?

[wet crystal]

Yeah, it was all your side, but I'm interested in r2

[ocean vapor]

only way for scarlet to dodge is with reloading animation into cover

[swift mango]

My Gemmer spent 3000 gem to hit me in rookie in 2 days when I first met him.

He should have spent at least 5000-10000 gem hitting my whale before he gave up. First time he got to my SpA bracket too.

1000 gems on me that season already.

[wicked horizon]

idk, I've been escaping the Siren stun somehow. 🤔

I guess I should record next time.

[keen vapor]

Not mine

[umbral belfry]

I have 0 knowledge fighting this team in particular so I cannot help 😭

[keen vapor]

Did you knew? summer anis can only delay her stun

[umbral belfry]

Helm hits your helm, mana revives. and from there it's ? moran + bay + life steal vs nero moran dmg reduc + lifesteal + heal 😭

but because everyone but your helm isn't invested I'm not sure how it'll go

[wicked horizon]

I win this one by one-shotting his Rapunzel, right?

[umbral belfry]

if they were invested I'm confident t2 would've lost for me

[ocean vapor]

i dont know what this mean

[swift mango]

Yeah, not yours.

[wicked horizon]

Wait, no, he's 2RL. 💀

[umbral belfry]

although my lap does have 40% ele dmg, I'm not 100% sure if it'll take out an okay invested moran

[keen vapor]

[wet crystal]

Yea, my investment plan is going: get Drake T, work on Ein, fix Alice and RH, then pvp

[umbral belfry]

alice mentioned

[wet crystal]

It should, nero and Moran aren't invested and still need T9s

[umbral belfry]

oh no

one day you will have a mega stall team

[wet crystal]

I just wonder if I'd get to survive somehow long enough to see 2 full bursts lol

[wild patio]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-wtf-wtf-cat-shocked-shocked-cat-gif-16097802352571672167

[umbral belfry]

the 3 main things I'm looking forward to watching is if

• my 3 rl noise can live before burst from LapT
• t2 sillies
• if my siren stuns your Noah assuming she has taunt priority

I need this for my research

but if she doesn't have taunt priority then I gotta wait again

[wet crystal]

Hmm, my noise doesn't have cs but 10% on my noah

[glacial lion]

ammo cube on sanis work

[umbral belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/rat-clenches-fist-of-rage-rat-clench-fist-rage-gif-20880451

[umbral belfry]

noise taunt priority then dang it

back to the search

[covert lintel]

Will noise sr15 survive 4sg in 3rl?

[placid bloom]

if their BSoda has ele dmg no

[swift mango]

Dude is still gemming whenever I change my def, hit him and he couldn't beat it in 2 tries. Only offline at most 4 hours a day too.

[crystal flicker]

Stall vs Ein + Blanc + RH

[limpid nebula]

can my cindy outlast blanc indom and win? (im attacking)

[swift mango]

Good luck.

[signal hull]

Nagga, you ain't even gonna burst before ya'll dead.

[limpid nebula]

my desperate way to cope blanc

[placid bloom]

SBS will get stunned and Alice will burst and get walled by Crown, then die to Cinderella burst actually

surprisingly looks winnable

[swift mango]

Broda stopped using Delta this season....

[umbral crown]

Oh really

[swift mango]

I still want to collect samples from him

[coarse solstice]

💀💀💀 Everytime a P1 Cindy wins a leprechaun gets its wings

[umbral crown]

https://tenor.com/view/screaming-screaming-lady-slinet-scream-gif-23475278

Me at the subway right now

Let me just get home to check how my new cook did

[mighty haven]

Where Rosy

[keen tendon]

Any thoughts on how to win this fight?

I’m so confused, I’ve got 4 rocket launchers and helm max treasure and they are still bursting before me

[onyx scaffold]

Your speed and his speed should actually be the same

[signal hull]

You won't win this with Cindy or Scarlet, I can tell you that.
Also wtf max core S.Anis...

[ocean vapor]

scar can win with 2rl + siren i think

[signal hull]

Well, I guess if Siren stuns Noah and hhe's forced to use Biscuit's B2...

[onyx scaffold]

either scarlet fast nuke or helm fast snipe

[ocean vapor]

or blanc set up

[onyx scaffold]

something like these.

[ocean vapor]

dont use siren in p2 imo in this fight, incase they have good cs set up and noise taunts siren

[onyx scaffold]

jackal trina siren centi scarlet ig

scarlet p5 will get hit by sanis so u can kill her even at high tempering cube / doll sr15

[worthy knoll]

just outspeed them before Noah can even burst

[keen tendon]

Is this for me?

[onyx scaffold]

yeah

u need to burst really fast to kill s.anis

[onyx scaffold]

i think both teams work. u should try both imo

[keen tendon]

Sadly I wasn’t able to pull siren

So I’ll try the first team if that’s alright

[onyx scaffold]

siren is not even needed

[umbral crown]

2 RL scar trina Rh Jackal

[keen tendon]

Here’s this, does this look alright?

[umbral crown]

If its 2 RL go for it, helm should 1 shot the link

[dire root]

This only works if I burst first and Helm targets and kills Cindy in one hit.

Oh right defict

[onyx scaffold]

helm there might get stunned tho

[swift mango]

Just 2rl scar trina rh it...

[umbral crown]

You won?

[keen tendon]

I did win the fight

[umbral crown]

Which team did you use?

[swift mango]

CA?

[umbral crown]

Si the league promotion

[keen tendon]

This team

[onyx scaffold]

now try this

[keen tendon]

Would this team win?

[dire root]

What RL is needed to burst 3 before Siren stun anyways.

[keen tendon]

Hahah hey I just posted this

[swift mango]

Yeah, poor Aoki.

Losing against my unchanged t3. And whole roster unchanged.... Only one hit more for him to win each fight lol...

[umbral crown]

[keen tendon]

This team also works

Thank you all for the help! Y’all are wonderful

[onyx scaffold]

i still consider if i should invest in bay. i think nero quiry better but dang it. it means double investment

[umbral crown]

[swift mango]

Nero is fine, Quiry doesn't need

[umbral crown]

Was close

[swift mango]

Super close lol

[umbral crown]

For heals she is needed and against cindy teams

[keen tendon]

Here’s my final request, does anyone have any thoughts on this team?

[swift mango]

[onyx scaffold]

what would be the team with nero? nero moran helm rapunzel and?

[covert lintel]

Invest in cs 20% ein

[umbral crown]

[onyx scaffold]

i will reset ein next

[umbral crown]

People do a variant with laplace

[swift mango]

lap

[umbral crown]

Do not you dare

[keen tendon]

Anyone got any thoughts?

[umbral crown]

Enemy team looks 2 RL

You have emi?

[keen tendon]

I do, but she is not built

Any team comp that might work without her?

[dim escarp]

do you know what's the optimal moran nero quiry without HelmT? cuz I use mostly helmT in this team but wonder if I can put helm in a better slot

[swift mango]

replace RH with Blanc p2

[covert lintel]

#pvp-arena message damage taken get ignored

[keen tendon]

Like this?

[swift mango]

need to show team to know investment and he burst 1 after Ein b3...

[keen tendon]

Is this any good?

[onyx scaffold]

too risky

your nuke will be eaten by noah

[keen tendon]

Alright

What team would you go with?

[covert lintel]

No if you change rh to siren

[swift mango]

Just Emi nuke if you have her is fine too

[keen tendon]

I don’t have her built

[onyx scaffold]

u should think about the dps u need to use first.
because enemy has noah to anti nuke. u can use some dps who deal after-burst damage like red hood, sbs, s.anis or emi

[covert lintel]

Ein has a self buff 70%atk, so i don't think she need rh

[onyx scaffold]

right. b2 p1 should be stunned but he doesn't have siren

[keen tendon]

What if I did something like this?

[swift mango]

Then you could betting on Scar counter win you the fight.

or replace scar with cindy and move Jackal p1.

or use 4.5-5rl cindy

[covert lintel]

Ah you talking about him, sorry

[swift mango]

work

you will win

[keen tendon]

How sure are you?

[swift mango]

about 100%

[onyx scaffold]

ok but more damage never hurts. u can use helm instead of centi or jackal

[keen tendon]

Like this?

[onyx scaffold]

yeah dont need to ask for confirm every step u know

[keen tendon]

Sorry, I’m uncertain about arena so double checking is my game

[worthy knoll]

So it was the same Duppie #pvp-arena message

[keen tendon]

It worked

[onyx scaffold]

idk but imo if u dont run helm with them, then dont. because the win rate should drop for sure.

[keen tendon]

Thank you very much!

[keen tendon]

Haha that’s when I started arenas, so I had all those free chips

[dim escarp]

yeah ofc but I have to fix my Cinderella/Noah team now cuz it losed against scarlet 2RL
wasn't expecting this

[onyx scaffold]

helm in cindy team let her burst 2RL
people split Helm from cindy and move to stall team because their RL has high % CS to keep their cindy 2RL

[dim escarp]

did run this (quiry not build enough for now)

[onyx scaffold]

no but people in my CA bracket ran it and got good result

it is wild that their nero has sr15 doll

[dim escarp]

I did with it too

[onyx scaffold]

so u won with that team but your cindy lost?

[dim escarp]

won 2 match with

[covert lintel]

Key factor isn't her
It's them

17helmT and 17rapun

[dim escarp]

yep, weird, Cinderella team is :

guess noise nerf the burst gen

[dim escarp]

alright noted ty

so I m a bit scared for top64 because of Cinderella

I should win this one but not the next one anyway

[swift mango]

You don't use Nero if she doesn't have at least sr10

[dim escarp]

I did

[onyx scaffold]

when will they rerun anne

[swift mango]

when she no longer meta.

[summer copper]

So today?

[umbral crown]

Ein Supremacy

[umbral crown]

Waos

Ein toonstrong

Got my revenge against laplace boi

[limber patrol]

p1 or p3 for scarlet? defense and attack

[dim escarp]

gg

[umbral crown]

[wicked horizon]

I can not against this guy.

Man just stacks all the SSS tier PvP characters into a team and it works. =|

[swift mango]

Noah bis Emi rh helm

[wicked horizon]

I don't have Emilia.

Biggest travesty of my PvP career.

[swift mango]

siren scar Trina Centi Jackal

Scar Siren Trina HelmT Jackal

[wicked horizon]

It's a coinflip with Noah, Biscuit, SBS, THelm, Rumani

Ohhh, he's got no other B1. =y

Honestly, Siren at S tier in PvP feels like it's too low.

I will try Siren next time, ty.

[umbral belfry]

Siren p1 or p2 should stun noah there yeah

[magic jetty]

Please help in building SP Arena team comp

I have a general idea of composition but I got no clue how to place them position wise

[wicked horizon]

Worst case scenario is if Noah taunts midway, because then it stuns neither.
Stunning Jackal means they can't burst at all.

[umbral belfry]

Or the opponent knowing their Noah is in danger of getting stunned, and gave her 11%+ CS to avoid that

[wicked horizon]

That makes them be exposed less?

[umbral belfry]

Jackal won't get stunned though, noah is a taunter. and with siren p1/p2 it guarantees it unless noah has the required CS speed. if it was noah + noise that's a different story

[umbral belfry]

if a noah has 11%+ CS, they avoid the stun

[jagged mesa]

@umbral belfry hi, i pulled rosanna on ASH, its time to jump ship

[umbral belfry]

no ash

Come back

[jagged mesa]

i have all non-limited pvp units on ASH now, just need invest

[wicked horizon]

Because I was running a 2RL Noah on P1 against Siren, and I think she got stunned after my burst was ready, but just before it was Noah's turn to burst.

[jagged mesa]

err wait, sorry im missing cindy

[wicked horizon]

I feel like if I'm not attacking Noah from the first moment, 2RL Noah will just burst before the stun.

Maybe I'm wrong, but Siren is the fastest stun we can get, right?
Privaty can't burst as fast.

Sorry m8, 3 images max.

We still don't have the standard team comps pinned.

[umbral belfry]

She should be iirc. soda, rapu, priv all need to burst to stun and rapu's is a different case

[modern island]

Are they floating around somewhere so I don’t have to look like an idiot who’s never tried PvP?

[jagged mesa]

also i need you and @wet crystal to bless me with my dolls today, i got that lv 90 drake pass juice

[umbral belfry]

[jagged mesa]

150 blue, 60 purple, 50 gold to get cindy and siren to sr15

[umbral belfry]

you will be blessed today trust

[jagged mesa]

you know whats funny? my 1-month old alt already matched 4SH in SR15 dolls

it straight up slammed 2 SR15s with blues

[umbral belfry]

you're both the luckiest and unluckiest guy I know

[jagged mesa]

im all scrambled

my new bracket on ASH is hella competitive though

in both rookie and sp

going to do a full revise on my pvp units if i cant maintain good standing

tbh im having some difficulty getting cp on my pvp units

[covert haven]

finally won once

[swift mango]

That's like omega lucky nothing to complain about.

not enough to even guaranteed s5 to s10

SU need 2 months for the contract with personal info buyer to expire before they could "fix" log in problem.

[jagged mesa]

no im not saying i did it, im saying that's what ive got and my aim is to sr15 cindy and siren from sr6

my HOPE is that i achieve that today

but realistically with how this account is doing on dolls, i probably wont finish one

[covert haven]

nice

defeated quiry team

[umbral crown]

in CA,SP or Rookie?

[covert haven]

CA

[umbral crown]

for that team to lose looks mid investment

you were defending?

[covert haven]

how to know if defending or attacking?, up or down*

[wet crystal]

Of my 1.0 luck in my acc, I share with you... and whopping 0.5!!

[jagged mesa]

i just need your prayers

[umbral crown]

if you are right you are defending

[jagged mesa]

what my account really needs is to sap luck from the other two

[umbral crown]

left is atack

[covert haven]

left attack

[oblique ridge]

Lost tiebreaker Did we ever find out what the tiebreaker rules actually are?

[umbral crown]

yuo were fighting nero, mid invest nero team indeed

i also won against nero team with a similar team but without siren

i was ike : waos

[jagged mesa]

@umbral belfry @wet crystal omg i just realized you two are facing eachother in CA

[umbral belfry]

@coarse solstice have you been checking other group match ups bc it's

[wet crystal]

Sacrifices must be made

And that's me

[umbral belfry]

got same brackets beefing actually unfortunate matchups there

I'll get past top 32 folian I promise

[umbral crown]

would you

[jagged mesa]

wait neither of my accounts made it to top 64

unless ASH is in a diff bracket, i need to check now

[umbral crown]

did you get help?

[umbral belfry]

looking at whoever I fight next, it's 3-2 in my favor surely rng doesn't screw me

[glad meteor]

Hime to to make it out of top 32

[umbral belfry]

[magic jetty]

Nope, I just made a all RLs team in the meanwhile

[umbral belfry]

idc about winning I just wanna get out 😭

[jagged mesa]

i wonder if we're kinda tail-end of our bracket in terms of accoutn creation date

so its harder to compete

[umbral crown]

i see ,will help you in some minutes . finishing lunch

[glad meteor]

You must win ca

[umbral crown]

[umbral belfry]

I fear that is beyond my power

[glad meteor]

[umbral belfry]

[glad meteor]

You have scarlet. You can win

[umbral belfry]

I got 1 goal and 1 goal only

[jagged mesa]

holy sht

LMFAO

[umbral belfry]

damn

[jagged mesa]

im about to get banned from this channel

for that

[umbral crown]

[covert haven]

o7

[shell hazel]

don't worry about it just look at what you ran/why it maybe lost and improve for next time if you can

none of this CA stuff matters, the fact you're in CA means you're doing good in SPA and to me that is actually way more important

[jagged mesa]

its ok im on team rebuild rn

[shell hazel]

I was knocked out in quals as well, not 5-0 mind you but same end result

[jagged mesa]

its just funny that i lost all 5

[shell hazel]

RNG arena 😄

keep investing/keep building

[jagged mesa]

on this account i have the units (except cindy) but struggling to build cp

[shell hazel]

what was your teams like?

[jagged mesa]

stupid mc wont give me elysion attacker gloves

[signal hull]

I'll trade you for Missilis attack helmet.

[shell hazel]

did you have your deck added to nikke deck builder? cp doesn't matter as much in CA

[jagged mesa]

no ive been a little occupied and didnt spend enough time building

i am starting to invest though

[shell hazel]

maybe we can also see why it failed if you can show what teams you had

[jagged mesa]

i can take screenshots

[umbral crown]

but cooking skills...

[shell hazel]

do it

[jagged mesa]

also i just realized looking at the results screen, how cursed the nikke portraits are when mirrored

like who is this

[shell hazel]

sure but like it's not that much of a big deal if you don't win in CA 🙂

[jagged mesa]

its all wrong, ITS ALL WRONG

[shell hazel]

just shows you can maybe improve for next

[umbral crown]

i have not won CA yet

[shell hazel]

I was in a cursed 3 way tie-break again and came 2nd lol

[umbral crown]

to be honest i was not expecting to win in league

[oblique ridge]

It's unclear whether tiebreakers work as intended too. Since it's a bit obscure

[shell hazel]

so that's 2/4 out due to 3 way tie-breaks (1 of those I think I should have gone through on, the other not). top 4 and top 8

[jagged mesa]

dangit

[umbral crown]

ash got dynoed

do it by parts

[jagged mesa]

whats the max

[umbral crown]

max 4 pics

[shell hazel]

based on how my support ticket went I very much doubt they fixed it

this time I think guy in 3rd was actually 1st but was 3rd due to shift up RNG

[jagged mesa]

5th one doesnt matter anyways, filler team

[swift mango]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1177116972593463316/1375858762866233385/IMG_20250524_222930.jpg?ex=683337d3&is=6831e653&hm=e7ffcf7d5b3dca3237acf2294df35f8fc38dc906a10d7a3da2a16514de2e3073&

Funny moment to me.

I'm S3 winner btw...

[shell hazel]

gonna eat food soon but I'll see what this was, can you post your box of nikke sorted by power as well please?

I'll jump back on in a bit and check 🙂

[jagged mesa]

its ok ill review it when next CA rolls around

im currently building units so next time its relevant its gonna be diff

like for example i just pulled rosanna today, and im still hunting T9M to overload

[swift mango]

Is there any other bracket with this same experience?

[umbral crown]

funny indeed

why not using besto frame tho

[swift mango]

would be funnier if none of us 3 made it to final or even top 8.

[umbral crown]

[unborn latch]

Qualifiers exec summary

[umbral crown]

do nt make me steal it from you

[jagged mesa]

btw for this, 1: sg team ran into biscuit
2: sg team ripped through my uninvested anis/maiden
3: indom caught sbs, unsure if miracle or engineered to
4: underinvest = scarlet couldnt quite nuke their team

[swift mango]

I'm using bettor frame though.

[umbral crown]

[copper creek]

o shit, rosy MA?

gz

[umbral crown]

si, thanks

[signal hull]

Why are people using Nero, doesn't seems very appealing to me over Bay...

[umbral crown]

once you fight a nero team well invested you will know

[swift mango]

We finally have an active Arena MA.

[umbral crown]

because team is really tanky

[umbral crown]

you can tank cindy team, sbs, sanis and anything that is not scar blanc RH jackal or trina,, Blanc emi Red Hood the only counter but now also adding Ein blanc Red hood

[jagged mesa]

also how does cindy rng burst targeting work

is it true rng or evenly distributed

i never see it fail to hit all 5 units

[umbral crown]

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/steal-doro-gif-1027805425862452031

[jagged mesa]

@umbral belfry @wet crystal just hit my first gold kit on 4SH

sr15 on cindy F YEAH

anyways back to pvp talk kinda

how does cindy burst targeting work, does anybody know

[umbral crown]

congrats

[umbral crown]

i found in my league S1 and S3 winner in the same bracket

[jagged mesa]

tyty, i think i can beat behemoth now

[umbral crown]

https://tenor.com/view/nikke-goddess-of-victory-behemoth-musan-pro-gif-5879428640611644990

be gentle

[jagged mesa]

err ok maybe thats a bit optimistic

but it helps me close the cp gap a bit

[umbral crown]

can you send againt but in horizontal mode? at nikke tab on lobby, in-game settings > nearby > horizonal if on mobile and sort by power only.

follow this steps

[jagged mesa]

just wondering, what are y'alls invest priority between campaign, sr, tower, and pvp

[umbral belfry]

[jagged mesa]

RIGHT? FINALLY

[limber rampart]

miracle

[umbral belfry]

grats

[jagged mesa]

and then i hit my 2nd gold kit ever on 4sh on siren after to SR10. ABOUT TIME

my first two in one day

and the SR15 cindy was SR10 0exp, purple kit to 15

GOOD DAY, you and folian really blessed me

[umbral belfry]

[jagged mesa]

actually good thing you're here cuz i wanted to ask

since we have similar start times, whats your invest prio

i guess if i think about it manufacturer tower invest isnt really worth it since i'll just get hit with a deficit in 10 floors anyways

so i guess campaign > pvp > tower/sr?

[limber rampart]

why bro

[jagged mesa]

thats why LOL

mega testing on you

[umbral crown]

Pvp of course

[onyx scaffold]

when will reshuffle again

[umbral crown]

3 months

[umbral belfry]

yeah it's pretty much this rn. I don't really invest in SR though, that's lowest priority for me

[onyx scaffold]

6th august

[jagged mesa]

how are your manu towers looking though

btw i was VERY tempted to swipe for missilis molds today... but i held back

[glad glade]

How accurate are my predictions? Left side (me) is attacker and right side is defender.

[jagged mesa]

mia-jackal is very infectious

[umbral belfry]

I struggle the most with tetra

[jagged mesa]

okay you're way past me, but the distribution is the same

tetra do be struggling

[umbral belfry]

[jagged mesa]

surely s. anis for us this summer

surely

[onyx scaffold]

rng team 4 then

[vague jungle]

Imagine spending at least 600 gems for arena chances lmao. Bro was committed, gotta give him that

[onyx scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/joker-batman-it's-not-about-money-it's-about-sending-a-message-sigma-meme-gif-12727666447538056487

[jagged mesa]

think about it, would you rather spend 600 gems to get a product 23 and belorta or spend 600 gems to SEND A MESSAGE

[glad glade]

would Siren’s stun affect the battle? She would stun Moran, the only B1, allowing Soda to burst before he does and potentially killing Biscuit, though there is a chance that Soda dies before this may all happen. She does have a tempering cube

[vague jungle]

Respected

[onyx scaffold]

it last only 1 sec right? moran will just burst after

[copper creek]

R
L
L
god bless
R

[onyx scaffold]

siren will stun before the team reaches full burst

hmmm maybe moran is stunned then shotgun starts hitting biscuit

[coarse solstice]

I think I'm the only one with a chill bracket everyone else has stuff competition

[jagged mesa]

but moran isnt dying before stun alleviates and will soak all of that, no?

[glad glade]

I’m thinking more about Soda’s AoE, since elemental is involved now and Biscuit doesn’t have a purple doll

[jagged mesa]

actually the stun is quite long, 3s i think

[placid bloom]

You don’t beat Moran with SG

[onyx scaffold]

yeah game says 3 sec

[onyx scaffold]

im about to 4 ele 4atk my bsoda. brb

[placid bloom]

Unless their Moran is potato

[jagged mesa]

isnt it moreso you dont beat biscuit defenders with sg

[glad glade]

I don’t think she’s even full OL. 9k CP

[vague jungle]

What message tho? I'm curios. Bro was always a higher rank than me and I never challenged him, I just got caught in a beef

[jagged mesa]

🤷

[placid bloom]

Well if you have 4 Atk 4 ele BSoda you probably one-shot SAnis and they have no damage

[jagged mesa]

im just memeing i'd never spend 600 gems for that

[placid bloom]

[glad glade]

Is Soda’s AoE so weak that not even a ele boosted attack would kill an incomplete invested biscuit and moran?

[jagged mesa]

lol in that case bsoda burst is wiping out that entire team

[glad glade]

Definitely not the case. 2x attack and 1x Ele

I’ll mark the round as my loss. I prefer getting the silver betting frame, but if God somehow wills me to win then I guess I’ll take the golden one

[jagged mesa]

im no chef but i just dont see how that team is making it past moran biscuit

and i dont really see bsoda one shotting your electric units either with burst

[glad glade]

Oh no I’m BSoda, hence its my loss

[jagged mesa]

OH

[glad glade]

Dw about it. I care more about the betting frames than winning anyways. Just look at this. Its like its tailor made for her

[jagged mesa]

ugh i wish, ive been trying to get a betting frame

no luck on either, but i really want the silver one first

all the other silver ones are too bulky

[glad glade]

Same. I had a BS round last season where it was all dependent on Soda Ele killing Moran (I didn’t fight. I got kicked out at the qualifiers) That Soda was pretty beefy too, but turns out she didn’t have enough juice

[jagged mesa]

do you have the recent cindy skin, if so can i see how it looks with the silver betting border 🥹

[lunar pawn]

now THAT'S commitment

[glad glade]

Yessir. I’d imagine it wouldn’t look as good compared to the dress because of the red eyes, but damn I bet she would look great regardless

[jagged mesa]

the red eyes are my fave though

[glad glade]

I prefer blue. She looks a lot happier in that one. But I get you bro. The red eyes still make her sexy as fuuuu

[wise horizon]

Need help here

[glad glade]

Anyways, thank you @onyx scaffold @placid bloom @jagged mesa @copper creek

[lunar pawn]

thoughts? top attacker, bottom defender

thinking attacker:
t1 loss
t2 win
t3 win
t4 loss
t5 loss

[jagged mesa]

im a newb but i appreciate the shoutout

[midnight marsh]

it's f gg

[umbral crown]

[half grove]

Why am I placed with people almost 100 levels over me lol

[limpid nebula]

no RL but 15% surplus cp, will always win?

[limpid nebula]

It actually works!!!, i stunned blanc

[spiral onyx]

https://youtu.be/r0lFfxTUUKw

[shell hazel]

why is cindy at p1?

[limpid nebula]

i have no blanc and no other tanky defender

[signal hull]

Because it's the most beautiful position.

[limpid nebula]

so i make use of cindy decoy to trynna tank past opponent blanc

my crown actually dying while my cindy is full health and also i want my opponent to use blanc ulti asap so my battle duration will be shorter (i need to tank shorter)

sheer luck and random combination of what i learn here

[calm gull]

Cindy P1 makes your enemy free burst gen

[limpid nebula]

yeah cause i cant tank for too long, i no blanc and other defender so i wanna him to burst even faster

my cp is also barely 15.4 deficit

[calm gull]

also that siren gonna stun cindy

[limpid nebula]

idk how but my siren end up stunning blanc

[calm gull]

their sbs died ig

[heady peak]

well I'm not winning my bracket... I'm going up against PhoenixF....

[limpid nebula]

i think so

[thin perch]

What level should the commander dolls on my burst gen units be? (IE: Jackal, Centi, Rumani, Trina)

[heady peak]

XD why do I gotta be in his bracket... such shit

[heady peak]

honestly it depends on how much you want to invest

if you are super PVP competitive

[thin perch]

I’m maintaining first place on SP

[heady peak]

and need that CP then go ahead and go lvl 15 doll

if you got the resources

I have my jackal at +15 doll purple

but if you really want to be competitive

go and roll 4 lines of charge speed

that will actually get you way more benefit as a whole

in SP arena if you are having no problem maintaining 1st or top 3

and need the resources elsewhere then don't bother

[calm gull]

17% cs atleast for arena

[heady peak]

^ basically that's going to benefit you more.. after you have that.. then ya the doll CP boost will help after.

also boosting your pvp cube is going to help you a lot too. the faster you burst, the faster you win. That's basically the meta right now

[normal shard]

how far would you lvl the chagespeed cube?

[calm gull]

Adjudant? 6 atleast

[normal shard]

or i guess all the way to get more slots?

[calm gull]

better focus on quantumn and tempering

for pvp

[midnight marsh]

PhoenixF completely dominates his Azurlane PvP server for 6 years straight and now he is terrorizing your NIKKE bracket too eh? lol 😂

[heady peak]

I thought he was talking about quantum?

[heady peak]

Yep...

damn pvp chad whale

I respect it though

[calm gull]

adjudant is the charge speed
quantumn is burst regen

[heady peak]

Ya you right, i'm still waking up

[calm gull]

huh?

its ok its 6a.m for I'm barely have my soul left

[lunar pawn]

guy talking about AL pvp like it's some top tier thing

can literally replay the same fight til you win

it's how pvp should be in gacha (if at all), you can mostly ignore it and not worry about losing gacha currency

though AL is a colle rather than gacha game, ig

[tight canyon]

hi, i got a bit more nikkes than last time (and i got biscuit). can you help me to improve my pvp teams please ? here is my box

and my teams

[blissful willow]

Nice

[onyx scaffold]

Cn server has frame for top 3

[heady peak]

true, but nah I'm against yogurt or phoenix... they are both pvp whales lol. They both make it consistently to top 16 and 8 or higher. Unless they get rng, against each other, like right now.

[calm gull]

4-6 & 7-10 has the same one

[onyx scaffold]

oh i didn't notice. top 10 then. im glad global dont have them

[lunar pawn]

builds are like 20% of it...80% is getting the right matchup

[lunar pawn]

bruh

[heady peak]

ya, but if you are similar in builds and team comp, the ones who have better lines etc are going to win. RNG is definitely a LARGE part of it

buf they are consistantly in the top top 8 then they are definitely doing something right build wise, and stats

[oak gale]

ch1

ch2

ch3 (just uploading these dw bout it)

[prisma plank]

Champion Arena lol...

[lunar pawn]

they abandoned CA after the first week of its release, all their shortcomings still there, and that includes fighting bots

I'm more worried about that 5% betting for the bot

[tulip holly]

I dont see the charm of it as a non player lol

[lunar pawn]

going for unlucky frame right off the bat

[prisma plank]

free credit boxes if you guess right, but that's about it

[lunar pawn]

90% of CA development time went into making 500 different frames, what did you expect

[oblique ridge]

Some of the frames are nice aesthetics with certain characters

[calm gull]

thats clean

[heady peak]

Is arcana any good for pvp? seems kinda useless for her skills.. but as a battery? Idk if she's clip or not though

if she can be another unit to help get me another 2.5 or 2RL on a team that isn't already

[calm gull]

not at all

shes not clip rl
and her buff evolves around "post burst ended"

[rich fossil]

can someone make me 3 teams for pvp

I just got maid mast too if that will help

[umbral belfry]

Bot is gonna lock in trust

[thin perch]

Question: what are all the ways you can avoid dying to a 2rl nuke aside from Noah burst?

[keen vapor]

Nope

[umbral belfry]

2 RL Moran Bay. Not sure if Noise + Bay has the same effect

[keen vapor]

Why are you still at 160 wall since last year you need limit breaks sir! Limit breaks! Not more units

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1026322546934698004.gif?size=48&animated=true&name=whyyysnapped

[rich fossil]

I was not playing for a while I just came back I have 4mlb I only need one copy from the shop I will beat the wall😔

[thin perch]

I wanna make this defense team not vulnerable to 2rl nuke.

[placid bloom]

If it’s a single hit Bay can block. It gets a bit dicey if her cover is popped by something else though.

[umbral belfry]

Having both SAnis and Emi

[placid bloom]

2RL Blanc works too

[keen vapor]

People in diamond is at level 321 now

[heady peak]

ya her skills i knew were trash for pvp... but wasn't sure if she could at least be used as burst generator.... darn. I don't really want to have to OL and do Anis's doll.. guess I have to