pvp-arena

[dire root]

I wish I could make a 2 RL team and blow them away but their stupid sync level defict power won't allow me to

[shell hazel]

I'm stealin here

[keen vapor]

Min req is 133k

[heady plover]

what teams could i use for pvp? i wanna try getting into it

[umbral crown]

Skip and go for t3

[shell hazel]

Rosy what is your Rosanna rolls? 😮

https://tenor.com/view/nikke-goddess-of-victory-rosanna-gif-13235111528686501510

[dire root]

I cook again. Of course this bets on Centi getting stunned.

[umbral crown]

40 atk 23 ele 1 ammo

[shell hazel]

ah nice, I'm working on mine, she's awesome I like her character 🙂

[umbral crown]

Indeed, go for it

Max doll and skills

[shell hazel]

you need to be fast enough to catch scarlet with noah

[shell hazel]

getting there 🙂

[umbral crown]

Excellent

I started usning mine since 4/4/4

[onyx scaffold]

i said decent teams. not good teams

these teams are used a lot in my bracket...

[shell hazel]

I was using mine at 1/1/1 😄

[dire root]

This is only 3 RL, damn.

[shell hazel]

red hood and biscuit are slow

doko helm treasure?

[dire root]

This is the only account without Helm T

[umbral crown]

But show us the 3 teams

d not you have a chance with the other 2

[shell hazel]

yes this is true you could skip this team if it's stronger

[dire root]

Team 1 has 307704 combat power no point in even attempting.

[umbral crown]

[shell hazel]

307k

[umbral crown]

Cp pad strong

[dire root]

They don't even have full SR doll upgraded

[shell hazel]

lmao

send SOS

[umbral crown]

[shell hazel]

surely with this cp they'll just take it back easily?

[umbral crown]

Just put 1 unit and lets keep working with the rest

[dire root]

Yeah but they will have to use a attempt.

and that is one less attempt to use to hold their place from other attackers

[covert lintel]

i'll cook again next ca to aim rank 1024

[umbral crown]

You have emi?

[onyx scaffold]

bro flexing

[covert lintel]

i have

[lusty gull]

even flexing more now

[umbral crown]

That could be me if i were a champ

[umbral crown]

Excellent

[onyx scaffold]

Oh that was u. Was curious why u didn't use the second champion frame

[lusty gull]

because i made a mistake lol thanks

[tropic summit]

naga trina cind drake noise
bsoda blanc rh anchor:IM jackal
noah biscuit rrh siren helmt

quantum on jackal
vigor on noise, blanc, biscuit
temperance on noah
any other nikke run highest lvl cube

wishlist scarlet, sbs, rumani, centi
get teams reviewed then

[heady plover]

What abt for rookie arena

[umbral crown]

Been a while since i do not use gatrix s to cook

[minor kestrel]

Hi @tropic summit can you give me any recommendation for sp arena teams for my roster? I’m missing Trina thanks so much

[tropic summit]

noise centi cind helm rumani
scarlet blanc rh xmaiden jackal (if laplace atk% (OL included) is less than scarlet, then can use laplace instead)
noah biscuit rrh sbs emilia

quantum on jackal, xmaiden
vigor on noise, blanc, biscuit
temperance on noah
other nikke run highest lvl cube available

get your teams reviewed once you obtain trina

raise CP on: rumani, noah, rapunzel, jackal, noise, biscuit, centi

[sleek imp]

cHAT IM GETTING RAILED IN ROOKIE HELP ME 😭

what am I doing wrong?

[minor kestrel]

Ty so much

[umbral belfry]

wouldn't be surprised if your scar isn't linked

Alice sr15 + cores and Helm sr15 (treasure)

with scar less than r15 best check who has the 2 highest atk for link

[sleek imp]

linked?

[rapid nacelle]

Hey, what did you use to make these calcs? Just pulled MiharaBC and I want to see if there's any improvements I can make to my teams, but don't want to bother you to do all that work again

[sleek imp]

[polar echo]

Ideas to counter this comp with 60 to 100k deficit in rookie arena? (I have all Nikkes except Zwei, Flora, Frima, Isabel and year 1 limited, and enought ressources to invest in one or two non ivested ones)

[umbral belfry]

Jackal's skill. She links with the 2 highest attack. When any of the links/jackal are hit, they get extra burst gen

[sleek imp]

oh I see

[umbral belfry]

I wouldn't be surprised if your scar melts before burst due to most likely not being linked

[signal hull]

Try same, but HelmT instead Emilia.

[sleek imp]

this good then?

[umbral belfry]

While unlikely your Helm's skills at max level, i'd take out alice (for the sake of burst gen). But if you want more burst gen vs cp then that's alright

but still double check your attack just in case

[sleek imp]

Alice is my cp pad unit, most invested one in my roster

[umbral belfry]

yeah that makes sense

[sleek imp]

I might be cooked 💔

[umbral belfry]

your scar should def have more atk than your mlb siren, but check just to make sure

[sleek imp]

Yeah she does, thats why I put her on

[polar echo]

Feels like CP defficit is going to hit harder

[umbral belfry]

That\s a 3 rl team, so it's not horrible. it'll do for now

continue to aim for campaign though

[sleek imp]

alrighty tyy

[sleek imp]

100%, im in campagin chap 27, tho the boss is like super RNG

[polar echo]

Yeah, got wiped

[sleek imp]

if I can manual in pvp, my alice would shred anyone

[rapid nacelle]

anyone know if I should I replace any of these with the new Mihara?

[sleek imp]

wait... I can just cp pad

[signal hull]

Weird. Technically burst should be 2RL for both and Biscuit should be able to keep Noah alive until full burst at least. But yeah with CP difference like this I'm not sure.

[dim sapphire]

black line rosa

now 48.66 att on rosa

[tropic summit]

either of these

https://nikke-deck.web.app/

#pvp-arena message

[tight finch]

Any advice for what to work on to improve SPdef teams?

[tropic summit]

do you've centi?

[tight finch]

Yeah I've got full roster minus limiteds/nero

[tropic summit]

things to consider

you can also run a riskier T2

if your def ever cracks consider trying these out for 24-48hrs

[tight finch]

okay ty, I'll give it a go. I think there are some who still roll one of my teams with CP padding but focusing pvp now so that will become less of an issue.

[wise horizon]

Bit confused by this. Need help. @tropic summit

[tropic summit]

i suppose you're losing to indom scarlet?

Your teams are on the left

replace grave with blanc if she's built

[covert lintel]

i wonder how fast helm 21.73 is?

[umbral belfry]

[wise horizon]

thank you. worked out well

[rich quail]

[umbral belfry]

[rich quail]

[visual sequoia]

Could anyone help make some new pvp teams for my account

[umbral crown]

Rookie?

You have invested rosanna?

Or invested moran +sanis?

can you tell me the cp of Moran/Noah/Biscuit/S.Anis/Rapunzel?

[umbral crown]

☆☆☆ SP Defense ☆☆☆
Moran/Biscuit/Centi/S.Anis/LaplaceT
Noah/Rapunzel/Cinderella/Pepper/SR Anis (add her to your sync dev)
Scarlet Black Shadow/Blanc/Red Hood/Grave/Rumani (add her to your sync dev)

[oak gale]

banana

[raven plover]

https://tenor.com/view/yugioh-punch-ground-punching-ground-it-shouldve-been-me-it-shouldve-been-me-not-him-gif-18069003738146878767

[crystal flicker]

2 shots at 1.6 RL
3 shots at 2.4 RL

Though it's still useless if your other RL can't fill the rest

[umbral crown]

Lets steal Raku s helm

[azure latch]

I'm looking to redo my Rookie Arena team. I am currently using Blanc, Scarlet, Biscuit, Centi, Jackal.

[crystal flicker]

That comp is prone to Siren

[azure latch]

Yeah, I figured with all the new Nikke's coming out my team might need some adjustments.

I try to go on the sites and build teams based on what I read, but I must misunderstand because my teams all end up losing a lot. This is why I still have one of the old meta team comps.

[quick lake]

check pins for teams

[crystal flicker]

It's obvious that Rookie comp lack dmg

[signal hull]

..I caved in and gave Drake treasure. I hope it was worth it >.<
Thankfully only had to spent half of my blue and purple mats.
I see her burst is one mega strong hit (Like RRH?), it says "affects enemies within attack range" - what does it means, is it like Scarlet's? Does she hits all enemies? Sounds too good to be true.

[quick lake]

Drake not that impt in SPA. Just strong basic attacks that’s all

Mostly a CA unit for ClipSG and SG team

[crystal flicker]

She nuke 1

[signal hull]

Well, I really lucked out with doll mats, so I'm ok with it I guess. Extra solid unit for CA.

[crystal flicker]

And you can use her as burst gen, just burst gen most of the time in SPA and Rookie

[keen tendon]

Any thought on how to beat this team?

[quick lake]

Replace Blanc with Trina

[crystal flicker]

nope

That team can be 2.5RL or faster

[keen tendon]

Would this team work?

[signal hull]

I'd use Red Hood as main dps in this one.

[keen tendon]

How about this?

[crystal flicker]

no

[signal hull]

Try Noah/Biscuit/RedHood/Jackal/HelmT (or whatever high burst you have, even same Trina, as long as it's 2RL)

[crystal flicker]

I'd more comfortable using 2RL Blanc tbh

[quick lake]

Rookie doesn’t matter

[keen tendon]

Should this work?

[crystal flicker]

No

I don't tink so at least

[keen tendon]

Why not? What would you recommend

[crystal flicker]

Oh that might be ok

Though RH can be replaced by another AoE

[slender hollow]

Why would you put an aoe, that's going to get blocked by noah

[keen tendon]

It worked! Thank you

[crystal flicker]

Doesn't matter, ScarBS deal 0 damage against Biscuit defender

So you just need to keep dealing dmg until Noah shield expired

or faster AoE nuke

[signal hull]

Yeah that's why I suggested RH. 3 sec on Noah shield and 7 sec of pure nukage.

[coarse solstice]

Finally, only one more left 🙃

[crystal flicker]

Chicken feet

Guess I'm more comfortable with AoE lol

[signal hull]

Oh for the love of... Now I have to farm 2x items for Bay for this dumbass CA....

[umbral crown]

☆☆☆ Rookie Defense ☆☆☆
Scarlet/Blanc/Red Hood/HelmT/Jackal

can also try:
Noise/Noah/Cinderella/HelmT/Jackal

[umbral crown]

change centi for HelmT

or just standar Blanc/Emilia/Red Hood/Biscuit/Jackal

[jagged mesa]

@wet crystal other account blue kit... 4sh failed another 5 purple kits today. something is seriously sus lmao

make that 2x blue kit WTF

[quick lake]

2.2%

[jagged mesa]

i dont understand

one account is swimming in super success, other account hasnt hit a single gold kit yet

[signal hull]

Obviously one account steals luck from another.

That's why I only have one acc.

[umbral crown]

[quick lake]

Means someone is stealing my only account’s luck

[coarse solstice]

@umbral belfry died as I won 🤣 successful failure

[azure latch]

thanks

[umbral belfry]

[umbral crown]

[umbral crown]

[vapid burrow]

is there a reason why Moran and Nero are frequently used together in champion areana? Sometimes i see bay and moran

[umbral crown]

because Moran and Nero give defense buff + damage reduction. they also taunts whic is really effective against enemies like S.Anis, SBS

nero with helm and rapunzel can stack her buff and during burst she gets 0 damage

[vapid burrow]

ive seen a lot of teams that are both Moran & nero with helm and rapunzel, do you need both or can you make do with one?

[umbral crown]

you need both to get nero stacks in 2.5-3 RL time

[vapid burrow]

ok cool ty !! that makes sense

[crystal flicker]

So much plan yet so little gear fooder income

[umbral crown]

yeah, its a nice time but expensive

[umbral crown]

Viper is attacker

[crystal flicker]

Yeah forgot to change that, I thought her atk buff is applicable in PvP

[umbral crown]

nope since nikkes are not targets uwu

[swift mango]

could kill all the dudes who use p1 Blanc, Noah without biscuit.

[umbral crown]

[umbral crown]

i use noah without biscuit

in rookie of course

[swift mango]

[crystal flicker]

Regarding Ele lines in PvP
Does that mean with 100% DrakeT Ele, she'll deal 2x damage to Noah?

[swift mango]

yeah kinda

[coarse lake]

bit more due to 10% base + cube, but around there yeah

[umbral crown]

si

just make sure your noah can live to burst at least

[swift mango]

more like bit less because only add 100% on top 120+%.

[coarse lake]

well if you go off 0 ele drake, technically it's bit less than 2x gain from that sure, smh

[swift mango]

[coarse lake]

blood fighting me on every little thing

[heady plover]

dont want to be annoying and ask again but what team for rookie arena should i use with these?

[umbral crown]

its a sigm when someone is special to you, at least that is common in latam

[crystal flicker]

Noise Noah Cindy HelmT Jackal
Though you need to build them

[umbral crown]

i thought in the same team

https://tenor.com/view/yay-gif-21093719

[heady plover]

i saw that raising the skills for noah and jackal isnt a priority though right? so just focus on the other 3?

[crystal flicker]

Most PvP support (except ATK buffer) don't need skill investment, so you can just focus to your main DPS (Cindy and HelmT)

[heady plover]

yeah im trying to raise them both atm

[brazen nova]

So Im getting my ass destroyed by this team, tried serveral team by still got beated like dog
How I can counter them?
This is rookie stage

[serene cave]

I'm having a hard time understanding PvP. I don't know what RL, and any of that stuff means, I'm trying to get past the major wall in PvP, but I feel my lack of understanding, and knowing team comps is holding me back. So I guess my question is:

1. What is 1~3RL terminology?
2. What are the best 3 Attacking teams?
3. Best 3 current defensive team?
4. Are there any up to date Resources someone could show me to better keep my pulse in PvP?

[quick lake]

FAQ in Pins for RL terminology
Defence teams in Pins
https://www.prydwen.gg/nikke/guides/pvp-mechanics/ for overall pvp stuff
Attack teams are usually tailored to opponent teams

[quick lake]

Scar Trina MaidAnchor RH Jackal

Both teams are bad and aren’t really pvp teams at all

[brazen nova]

Yeah I got destroyed by CP different
Seem like I have to invest in Scarlet otherwise still getting beaten

With this team mine are 220k, them are 309k

[quick lake]

yes, always need to check CP diff

[quick lake]

Can do P1 Liter + Biscuit then auto
the rest

Essentially use Biscuit Invuln to tank, and hope ur auto attacks killthem first

[raven plover]

desscaras pfp

[brazen nova]

Well no luck
I guess because they have Helm Treasure
I lost to everyteam have Helm

[worthy knoll]

How much CP is Jackal Biscuit RH SBS Scarlet?

Hmm I guess that wouldn't work coz Scarlet prolly not linked, so SBS gotta go. Only MAnchor is the choice then high CP but does not content with Scarlet atk 🤔

Jackal MAnchor Biscuit RH Scarlet

Well you can prolly burst with Scarlet too, i don't know which unit is lowest def, I assumed it was Scar. Better if it was Jackal tho

[radiant storm]

Pretty good.....

[oblique ridge]

You can compose a team at https://nikke-deck.web.app/ too.

If you let it, it'll tell you what NRL speed the team achieves as you assemble it. It also sorts the Nikke pool by highest burst gen characters first.

You can use it to help you understand things along with whatever else you read up or see.

Disclaimer - the NRL calculation accuracy is up to how the author of that site does it.

[swift mango]

so how did it go? did ind9m landed on SBS, siren or Naga?

[swift mango]

use siren instead of viper

[umbral crown]

You have video?

[swift mango]

Indom helm

[covert lintel]

so would it still 2.5 if i only add 1clip rl like this?

[swift mango]

Another Indom helm

[covert lintel]

no, just want an example for my 21.73 helm

[unique wagon]

Indom helm so cope

[crystal flicker]

This one around 2.35RL

And Quantum doesn't make any difference in this comp, since the one who fill the gen is HelmT 3rd shot

You can get to 2.3RL with at least lv3 cs cube on HelmT

[covert lintel]

if i were to use noah instead of centi, will noah catch up to 2rl scar?(just think blanc as another low burst gen nikke)

[forest zodiac]

will this work?
I 100% know that this works if SBS instead of cindy but SBS busy with other team

or should I just drown it with this deficit 0,7585

[crystal flicker]

2.3RL Noah Immune should take effect around 3.12
2RL Scarlet wiping at 3.16
It should be, but it'll be very close (~0.04RL diff)

[vague rapids]

Hello, can anyone help me to form usable team comp for rookie arena and sp arena, there are all my available units. Thanks 🙏

[forest zodiac]

looking at recording of this with SBS it seems like noah was actually stunned and it was centi who was b2'ing and still won

[crystal flicker]

Yes

[crystal flicker]

Why your Noise has more CS than Noah tho

Cindy shouldn't die from Nuke and still burst anyway

[forest zodiac]

noah has only one CS line and noise has two

I wasn't rolling lines on them that much

[crystal flicker]

It's bad bcoz it'll give enemy more burst gen via RL

Either you put Noah P1 or get Noah CS more than Noise

[forest zodiac]

hmmm, so it can't be even equal?

[crystal flicker]

Just have slightly % will do

[forest zodiac]

I fixed it but god damn it so many rocks

thanks

I didn't know it was important between two

[crystal flicker]

Rookie: Noise Jackal Cindy Anis Noir

SP:
Blanc RH Biscuit Drake Anis
Noise Grave Cindy Noir Jackal
Auto

[crystal flicker]

It is
Hitting P2 = More target for RL splash = More burst gen (for them)
Even worse with Cindy P3 because she has decoy

[sand gazelle]

any comps against this?

His littlemermaid keeps stunning my noah

yet mine doesnt stun his

[crystal flicker]

That's ez

[sand gazelle]

what is it

[crystal flicker]

1RL

[crystal flicker]

#pvp-arena message
Something like this, just 4 Clip RL + Scarlet / AoE Nuke

Just make sure your Nuke is hard enough 1 tap

[plucky charm]

any idea of what i can to do beat one of these two teams?

top team survives 2rl scarjack b/c splash hits cindy to trigger bisc invuln on cindy+noah so i was thinking i could try a scar-blanc indom
bottom team i could do laplace-trina-scar-centi-jackal but idk if laplace would feed too much before getting stunned and push them to hit blanc indom before i get full burst off

[signal hull]

Top team - block Cindy with Noah, use Red Hood as your main dps (if she's well built).
Bottom team - block Scarlet with Noah, use Scar/Cindy as your main dps to wipe at least 4/5 enemy units.

I'd go for the bottom team, top one has too many nuances.

[plucky charm]

top team i think would lose since rh would get stuck attacking
how can i do the bottom team so noah doesnt end up getting stunned?
my normal team uses noah-bisc-cindy-helm-rumani to hit 2rl so i catch the scarlet burst

[signal hull]

Actually his second team is 3RL so either try all your burst gen units to be as quick as possible to overnuke before the stun, or go slower, ~2.5RL, so Noah's invul didn't end before Scarlet's slash.
As for the stun - I've no idea, I'm trying to collect information about it myself. It's weird.

[plucky charm]

his bottom is 3rl but thats without feed too
what i've seen is that 2rl will never hit burst 2 before stun but burst 1 will pop

[signal hull]

Trial and error. Maybe someone else here can give more info about that stun. It's confusing me as well.
How about Biscuit/Noah/Cindy/Jackal/HelmT? 2RL.
Normally I just put some not important unit in first slot to get stunned (like an extra B2 if I have 2), but yeah Noah can taunt. Maybe use Noah and Noise and pray for the best.
Noise/Noah/Cindy/Jackal/HelmT?

[plucky charm]

thats just what ive seen so far. when ive seen siren i put liter-trina-scar-centi-jackal and i end up with liter being able to burst
i could put biscuit but if she dies to autos ill lose b/c itll go to ~3rl and ill lose the invuln on noah to outlast the indom
unfortunately i cant move jackal cause i need her to scar-jack his last team

[signal hull]

His team is 3RL. You shouldn't give him much feed.
Your team is 2RL. You don't need Biscuit at all tbh, if she dies - Noah still procs her invul. Cindy oneshots 4/5 (let's image Scar has Blanc's invul.) No way Scar will kill all 4-5 of your characters. That's how I see it. Maybe I'm wrong. No other ideas, sorry.

[plucky charm]

its all good, thanks for the help

[plucky charm]

i beat the top team this is what i used

[grand plaza]

Which team is better for SPA?

[swift mango]

move Noah out of p1. Move your siren to p1-2

[sand gazelle]

Me noah is in p2 and gets stunned

[swift mango]

oh wait your Noah will get stun no matter what need Noise to steal taunt from Noah.

[swift mango]

There is few ways to counter this comp.

2buffs scarlet nuke. Need to be sure Cindy won't become invulnerable before she nuke. Since Cindi is p2 you could even use indom Scarlet. And it would still be 2rl so long as 2Clip RL in team.

B3 linked+Scar+Blanc/Trina+RH+Jackal could do.

To use Noah you need to have Noise at slower CS to steal taunt from her. Then you could use stall against it.

Sample is Noah+Noise+Biscuit+Anis+Rapu

Or You could use Bay to block the nuke as well.

[swift mango]

To beat bottom you only need to mirror and replace Emi with Rapu, move Jackal p1.

[vague rapids]

Thanks

[onyx scaffold]

scarlet siren won 6 times and lost 4 times. is it consider a good team

[fiery parcel]

For pvp meta units, priority to OL/syn should be scarlet > jackal > noah > biscuit > trina> rumani > centi > xmaiden > noise > bay > rapu > moran?

[placid bloom]

Bay and Rapu don't need OL if you're placing them in safe spots, Noah doesn't need OL if you're pairing her with Biscuit

unless you're just doing it to CP pad

[shell hazel]

loosely but I'd say your focus is on who is in your teams to some degree

because for SPA you do need cp

[fiery parcel]

Yeah my deficit is pretty bad without OL

[shell hazel]

so you can get power higher before introducing units

[fiery parcel]

Currently, my scar team is: scarlet, trina, redhood, xmaiden, jackal

My noah team is noah ,biscuit, cindy, helmT, rumani

My thrid team is shit and giggles. Trying to build a moran/noise team, byt the cp deificit is so bad

[shell hazel]

just cp pad 3rd team prob

[fiery parcel]

I just OLed Trina. So next i am doing up rumani.

[shell hazel]

you probably could move rumani elsewhere later ideally you run noise b1 for cindy

noah centi cindy helm t noise type thing

[fiery parcel]

But i like playing moran, blanc, siren, bay and a B3 (have not decided who yet)

[fiery parcel]

No biscuit?

[shell hazel]

that is 2RL unless your noah is made of paper she bursts

you may want more protection for 3RL cindy/noah

helm T works good on stall moran comp but naturally your cindy team slows down due to moving helm t out

also noise taunts, so aggro is split noah / noise there

[fiery parcel]

This needs me to build centi and noise next. Postpone rumani for now

[shell hazel]

centi doesn't need super build here as she is p2 so splash damage only

noise would be taking hits so needs more, I tend to OL chest + boots for tanky batteries

[fiery parcel]

My noah

[shell hazel]

also I use my silver mileage basically for noah only now 😄

for pvp units most of my OL is just +0 like that, except for Scarlet a bit more. I want to get her to +3 or so though

<@&946725432554836008>

[covert lintel]

scar>trina>noah>centi>rumani>jackal>rosanna>noise>rapu>xmaiden>moran>bay(overall not needed, nero more priority)

[fiery parcel]

Thanks. This is exactly what i needed

But i already screwed up the priority. Scar, trina noah jackal, biscuit and xmaiden are OL. the rest, no

[shell hazel]

I still say it's who you using 🙂

if you eventually hit everyone then the order doesn't matter too much but if you have active teams up and using units, I'd go there first and boost my weakest teams a bit

scarlet needs a min level of OL/skills to kill stuff ofc

[fiery parcel]

But in terms of skill/burst, 4/4/4 is good enough for all? I did make some like scar, trina and xmaiden higher than 4/4/4 because of campaign/tower

[shell hazel]

scar wants 10/7/10 eventually at least

[fiery parcel]

Scar and trina are higher because of pvp

[shell hazel]

7/4/7 budget

<@&946725432554836008>

[shell hazel]

baseline 4/4/4 but again focus on units in use

[shell hazel]

some units never really need more than 4/4/4

[fiery parcel]

10/7/7 tho

I think she's bricked

[shell hazel]

centi / jackal are good on 4/4/4 forever

[fiery parcel]

Because someone mentioned not enough lines

But not sure what

[covert lintel]

it's matter when your spot still dangerous to being taken over

[shell hazel]

your scarlet looks OK that chest probably highest candidate to roll

but crit luck 😄

you probably want an ammo roll somewhere as well

[fiery parcel]

Yeah no ammo line

[shell hazel]

I'd not mald her lines too hard if she's killing OK you have some good rolls on those, if not 3 lines on all gears which is hard to get right

level her burst up to 10 when you can and I'd say OL to +1 or +2 is fairly cheap for a bit more killing power without burning rocks

slows down OL on others but she's main dps so makes her a bit more lethal and increases your team CP

[shell hazel]

it depends if OL someone allows you to change teams around or what the scenario is though

[shell hazel]

if you need to OL several units it can take a while and meanwhile you are not investing in the current teams (which may include some units like noah jackal etc)

[fiery parcel]

Trina just got enough to roll today. But i ran out of rocks lol

[shell hazel]

lol, that hit rate roll 😄

[fiery parcel]

Yeah need to reroll that and the atk one

[shell hazel]

head is good esp for cp pad + 2 good lines

[fiery parcel]

Single line not good

[covert lintel]

skill other than scar trina 101010 and 41010 are just cp padding

[shell hazel]

her skills are in a good spot I'd leave them there

I'm keeping a spreadsheet of mine and where I want to consider going but not all is set in stone

[fiery parcel]

Xmaiden is 4/7/4 and used for elysion tower too

[covert lintel]

maybe moran nero that need full invest in skill

[shell hazel]

invest notes are eventual goals, any with * are not final values maybe but interim targets

dolls in white need work

I'm clearly missing gloves but I can't get S6 on MC yet, so I'm hoping to delay and see if I can get further at sync 301

my main shortage is burst materials, skills I'm sort of more free on and will probably push xmaiden and maybe drake/scarlet to the end next

lap t treasure is a goal but this will be next solo raid probably due to materials needed and she's like bond level 6 so I'm working on that

main campaign team is in a good spot except for some extra gear levels and rock re-rolls

think Nero is heavy on skills but not burst levels so I'd look to improve her at some point, but feels like it's a later thing atm

[fiery parcel]

These are my current teams.

Crown is just there for CP buff

[covert lintel]

i just cleared tower 815 to 829 with 4 pvp char

[fiery parcel]

But if there is a good alternative like centi, i wouldnt mind

[shell hazel]

centi is clip RL so slots in anywhere xmaiden etc would

with feed your scar jack should be 2RL

you could siren where red hood is and free up RH for another team

[fiery parcel]

Ok I'll get centi next instead of rumani

[shell hazel]

rumani is pretty safe on that cindy team at p4

[fiery parcel]

So the noah biscuit team can maintain as is?

[shell hazel]

I'd say so yes it's mainly needing to be adjusted if you move helm T to stall comp

which tbh might actually wind up being a better use for her than cindy team

your stall comp is probably very slow right? 4RL or slower maybe

[fiery parcel]

Yes

[shell hazel]

helm T does a lot of work to speed that up

[fiery parcel]

So team 1, scar trina, siren centi jackal
Team 2, moran, blanc, helmT, rhood noise?

[shell hazel]

and provides heal to stallers

this will 2RL with 2-3 quantums on your batteries btw

feed at 2RL > 90% should hit 2RL in reality

[fiery parcel]

Team 3, noah, biscuit, cindy, rumani, xmaiden?

My quantum only has 3 slots

[shell hazel]

level up quantum to 7/8 eventually, more slots + quantum 7 is a good breakpoint

[fiery parcel]

Level 5. Been pushing resilience for campaigjn

[shell hazel]

I think 6 gives another slot

[fiery parcel]

I also have temper at 5

[shell hazel]

you can p1 siren here as well

scarlet counter works on anyone who is on jackal link being hit

[fiery parcel]

I am only 14 mats short for res 12. The rest will go to qunatum during the next UR

Ok let me recompose the teams

[shell hazel]

also an option if you want to free up helm T for moran

no quantum needed here will keep 3RL

[fiery parcel]

Great

[shell hazel]

that lets you play with more burst gen for moran stall

position/other units aside you're 4RL with just these 3

you can play about with last 2 slots

more healing with rapu or mana, or more dps with clip SG / RL like drake, lapT, xmaiden

[fiery parcel]

Hows this?

But CP defi it on team 3 is pretyy bad

[shell hazel]

needs work on the CP still I'd say

run that scarlet comp as is for now, work on the others, you can keep a good 2RL cindy team at least with higher CP

that comp there lowers your cp too much

run your old cindy comp for now, work on whatever is lowering your cp by 70K with the new one 😄

run the new siren scarlet comp and put RH on cp pad team 3 instead

crown isn't doing much on your old team, except being a defender with MG feed, you could swap her for lapt / draket if they have similar cp and your burst gen + indom targets improve

?

that has some good threat, any B3 indom would at least achieve something, and RH is backup B1 in case moran dies

[jolly maple]

but 4 RL

[shell hazel]

CP issues otherwise

4RL with good CP is > 2-3RL with no CP

[fiery parcel]

Crown = 137.4k
LaplaceT = 101.7k
DrakeT = 122k

[shell hazel]

what about Naga cp?

[fiery parcel]

130.1k no cube

[shell hazel]

crown is super slow

[fiery parcel]

Crown and cindy arw my highest. Can reach 140k with res cube

[jolly maple]

@oak rivet

[shell hazel]

run Naga last slot instead of crown

[coarse solstice]

<@&946725432554836008>

[bleak shale]

<@&946725432554836008> 2 of em

[shell hazel]

it's still slow but damn quicker than crown 😄

[fiery parcel]

I tried putting bay for RL?

[shell hazel]

don't run bay here will tank your CP

[coarse solstice]

Bay only works in 2RL as well

[shell hazel]

plus bay needs to burst and you're bursting with blanc

[swift mango]

ur crown is way better than mine.

And I spent like 100 rocks on her for nothing. This game hate me.

[shell hazel]

drakeT where bay is probably your best bet here until you build up more stuff

[fiery parcel]

Who should i get the quantum cubes, and sho should get temper?

[shell hazel]

naga has similar CP to crown so won't tank you and she heals some + has better burst gen, so I'd say a better idea than crown there

[fiery parcel]

Both are level 5 each

[shell hazel]

you need quantum on the scar comp, the 3 batteries ideally

[shell hazel]

the cindy comp is 3RL anyway
the last team is always slow even if all quantum 😛

[fiery parcel]

The CP looks much better now

[shell hazel]

line of fire = temperance certainly moran here

scarlet is jackal linked won't need it

noah and rumani are defended by biscuit so they're fine without it

but you can temperance noah and rumani anyway just to help a little

otherwise run with your best cubes for dps and work down to the rest

vigor for naga/blanc I think

[fiery parcel]

For quantum?

[shell hazel]

temperance noah, rumani, moran
quantum trina, xmaiden, jackal
vigor blanc, naga

all your quantums need to serve for 2RL scar team

teams look good, look to SR-5 moran at some point

oh you can throw rumani in at 5 I think instead of Helm, does she taunt?

[fiery parcel]

Im already on it

[shell hazel]

like swap em over, because rumani is a defender biscuit will stop her dying even if she's attacked at p5

if rumani taunts then you could get splash damage on cindy decoy

think you're good to just put helm t p4 and rumani p5

[shell hazel]

I just got R-15 and the R-10 and R-15 jumps cost me way too many materials lol

I don't have rumani yet still which is

[fiery parcel]

My rumani is 2☆, my bay is 3☆, but my centi is 1☆. But that was after i started building scar, trina, jackal, biscuit & noah for pvp

Now that i have moran too, i need to build her and noise

[shell hazel]

yeah dupes will come in time I guess, my dupe count isn't that high generally tbh

200 blue tickets now hoping for random rumani but saving for SB collab so I can maybe get the other new units at the same time

[umbral crown]

Now let Ein carry you

[swift mango]

Delta does NOT stop burst skill that's already activated, that's including RH...

[shell hazel]

Delta OP lol

[fiery parcel]

Wait? Whut?

New pvp meta

Should we build her?

[onyx scaffold]

yes. everyone should go build her

[shell hazel]

don't build delta, it's a bug they'll fix it, and then you just wasted materials 😛

[swift mango]

If you wanted to. But low CP like Anis.

[onyx scaffold]

||she will be fixed after u invest in her||

[swift mango]

or just use her CA.

[umbral crown]

[fiery parcel]

Ultimate tank. Better than moran

[shell hazel]

she needs to actually live to b1 btw, at position 1 she is somewhat vulnerable without any protection

[swift mango]

2 year old bug... may as well be feature

[onyx scaffold]

moran tends to go with biscuit anyway

[shell hazel]

honestly if everyone does maybe they'll actually do something about it

[onyx scaffold]

imagine it is fixed in CA but not others

[fiery parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/bug-meme-memes-lazy-gameloft-gif-13331850965979112215

[swift mango]

I have no problem with them fixing her tbh. But it is what it is.

[onyx scaffold]

u will have problem if u actually put kid kits to her

resource problem

[swift mango]

Her kits has nothing to upgrade tbh. Unless for CP pad lol

[onyx scaffold]

yeah. just use her with biscuit for one or two CA until they fix her

[covert lintel]

need to gacha stat first
no ed and cs at all

[umbral crown]

[swift mango]

It's actually detrimental to upgrade her and her decoy becoming more meaty.

[primal charm]

what does she actually do

[onyx scaffold]

she speaks spanish

[pale knoll]

[swift mango]

stop everyone from normal attack.

[umbral crown]

Hola buenas

[onyx scaffold]

back then, there was a bug that if your pc uses Arab language, nikke cannot burst in PvP

[fiery parcel]

@shell hazel with the previous team composition, when the opponent just dumps CP teams like this, is there a possibility to win at all?

[onyx scaffold]

u need to throw in pve units too such as liter / mihara...

[shell hazel]

you need to observe cp deficits

enemy cp * 0.846 = your minimum cp requirement

[covert lintel]

why SU doesn't start emergency maintenance
this delta bug is pretty major for pvp tho

[fiery parcel]

There is a simple solution. Dont allow delta in pvp roster

If they aint gonna fix it, just remove her from pvp altogether

[onyx scaffold]

do they even know about the bug in the first place

[fiery parcel]

@swift mango says its been there since day 1?

[shell hazel]

they will know about it when everyone starts running her in CA

[swift mango]

Thanks this dude for letting me use my super Emi nuke ...

[covert lintel]

isn't this an official discord?
shouldn't be some spy in here?

[shell hazel]

you can log a ticket but you just get a copy pasta response

[shell hazel]

if you saw how the feedback about some GM account cheating the leaderboards went, I think you'd say this is unlikely to get fixed by just talking about it here 😛

[onyx scaffold]

the devs all got banned for posting lewd content already

[swift mango]

Yeah. People start to know about it after Smol Rei released. According to Hoboman.

[raven plover]

[swift mango]

I told you it's a feature. Just like Cindy decoy skip targeting.

[raven plover]

report sent when it happened but no actual fix for years

while doro bug on pvp patched pretty fast

[fiery parcel]

What is this "feature"?

[swift mango]

Everything Decoy related in this game are features.

[fiery parcel]

What doro bug

[swift mango]

They just forgot to write it down.

[fiery parcel]

Damn. I missed out on all the interesting stuff

[shell hazel]

https://discord.com/channels/946719263866101821/1370748247748120587
some gm account was cheating and won CA, and people realised they had impossible stats 😄

[swift mango]

Idk what it is but it's not decoy related so it's a bug.

[shell hazel]

the community manager was asked to get it looked at but basically said no

[raven plover]

iirc there was one time if you make a team with doro and doro burst faster than your team, everytime you try to battle the player you get either loading loop and you get instant error, you cant atk the player

[shell hazel]

[covert lintel]

so from the moment nikke released this bug still persist?

[fiery parcel]

Holy shit.

[covert lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/stirring-what-huh-confused-the-big-lebowski-gif-6753507408299502889

[raven plover]

well people found it during smol rei because the decoy thing. prolly forgor delta can decoy

[fiery parcel]

Cindy still has the decoy bug too?

[covert lintel]

i experienced that too

[shell hazel]

doro initiated cooldown on attack

[fiery parcel]

So who else has decoys?

[shell hazel]

smol rei

[fiery parcel]

Delta, smolwhite, cindy?

[shell hazel]

I think smol rei has decoy?

[fiery parcel]

So if you built pvp teams base on the decoy "feature" ultimately you cannot lose?

[shell hazel]

no because cindy one doesn't do this

and delta still needs to burst, which means she needs to be protected or in a fast team

[fiery parcel]

2RL i guess?

[shell hazel]

she's not going to contribute much burst gen or cp as well

I doubt she'll work well in normal arenas, CA you could use her due to the level sync means she can work without any invest there

[fiery parcel]

But in CA, where teams you setup.are random. And like u mentioned level synced.

Also 5 teams means you dont expect opponents to have fast teams all the time

Some will be 3 or 4RL

[shell hazel]

I don't think it's a silver bullet to win all matches tbh

but it's also clearly not working right

[fiery parcel]

Just the 1 match she is in

Which means you only make 2 other teams

[shell hazel]

no as shown blood won against her

[swift mango]

She is worse than Bay and Noah in stopping nuke because she needs an enemy attack to bust her decoy.

So she isn't all omnipotent

[fiery parcel]

I thougth blood won with her?

[swift mango]

[swift mango]

I won against her.

[raven plover]

when they announced cindy I was wondering if her kit has taunt

[swift mango]

Decoys related stuffs are all features.

[fiery parcel]

Taunt has a bug? Like noah, crown, etc?

[raven plover]

delta bug pretty much about the above, taunt and decoy. in delta case she summon the decoy and taunt at the same time, maybe thats why smol rei doesnt do the same bug, since her decoy at start of battle

[swift mango]

I think it's more about decoy created with burst skill that taunts busted, made thus made everyone lose target and can't attack.

Doesn't stop non normal attacks that already on the way like Emi nuke and RH burst.

[covert lintel]

when a decoy has taunt the opponent will freeze?
that mean you can cheese all stage as long as your FB is fast enough

[raven plover]

yea when decoy gone the game prolly read it as "no target" so they stop attacking

[covert lintel]

[shell hazel]

not tried in normal stages 😄

[shell hazel]

could be funny, anyone tried in actual combat?

[fiery parcel]

Everybody just looked at the decoy

Does it work in SPA?

[swift mango]

The whole of RH burst is counted as 1 bullet (according to siren). So I guess that's why she doesn't stop.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1177116972593463316/1373678017737396346/Screenrecorder-2025-05-18-22-04-47-204.mp4?ex=682b48d9&is=6829f759&hm=f94602770d56c0f3ff3223a81eb298bc1720a6193b627ff11f8f74533baad5ed&

[swift mango]

Yes.

Notice how RH doesn't stop but hitting AIR in this video....#pvp-arena message

She keeps on hitting something that doesn't exist....

So deal zero dmg at all... Not even an immune word pop out.

[fiery parcel]

Oh wow

Delta just shadowstepped the whole.burst

[swift mango]

Against Emi delta just doesn't work. Emi nuke restarted the time stop lol...

[fiery parcel]

Ughhhhhh i missed emi's banner

[swift mango]

Did you started after Emi or Emi bricked like @tropic summit and @quick lake

[fiery parcel]

I started during rezero. Tried to pull emi's banner but got nothing

I think 2 multipulls

I got in in the middle of the event

[swift mango]

Could easily reroll

[fiery parcel]

Nah. I got liter as my first free pull.

A little bit of regret, but during 1.5, i got crown to core +2. So im happy still

Dodnt save any pulls
Just pulled anytime if got the gems

[covert lintel]

but now we got liter free

[fiery parcel]

Dont remind me. I still have my liter at core +1

I put her on my wishlist lol

Thinking that her stat will be better. I only found out like a couple of months ago that support base stats for damage is so low that 2% still is too low

[swift mango]

I will use it all to get me Alice +7. Liter can wait forever not even MLB.

[covert lintel]

since now there are a lot of 7sec CDR so liter need to be retired

[swift mango]

My DKW retired liter. Now my Siren retired my DKW.

my dkw still core+4 2nd higher cp in my roster though.

[covert lintel]

just need 1 more 7sec CDR and liter will be retired completely even in SR

[swift mango]

I got MLB DKW literally 2 weeks after starting the game. She is my 1st full banner. (Elegg was my first but she is into the last week of her event already)

So liter retired before I even got her

[coarse solstice]

Whoops

[onyx scaffold]

if my team is 2.5RL, will my p1 Noise be stunned by siren before bursting?

[coarse solstice]

SP or Rookie?

If rookie yes if SP I think it depends on CS%

[onyx scaffold]

this team

[restive heart]

19.97% cs on emilia

[coarse solstice]

Won't matter Rumani will still pop should be fine. 2 17% might get you to dodge siren as well.

[onyx scaffold]

hmm

maybe it was not what i wanted to ask

[coarse solstice]

Is in rookie or SP?

[onyx scaffold]

CA.
but i forgot the team already. no way i would ask that question when team had 2 B1

[restive heart]

on 3rl siren team. siren stuns at 2.5 rl right?

[swift mango]

yes

[swift mango]

if all you rl beside noise had 20cs your noise won't be stun. probably

[restive heart]

whats the breakpoint on chargespeed on emilia

is it 38% on 3 shots 2rl am i right?

[worthy knoll]

Will be stunned, only possible one as kicker for 2.5 is Emilia and HelmT with very high CS to avoid P1 B1 being stunned

For any other RL unit as kicker, not even all black lines CS and CS cube can save your P1 B1 getting stunned

[onyx scaffold]

Can Nero Moran stall survive Scarlet nuke? I assume they cannot cuz scarlet s2

[worthy knoll]

If its a well built one and at least 2.5 and not a Blanc B2 they can

Well the requirement is Rapu not dying at the very least

[onyx scaffold]

tf did that team win

nero moran sr15

[steel meteor]

Sorry I need advices on team builds please!

Additionally if I am able to get frima and rumani how can I integrate them into teams? So next time I won’t have to ask again thank you

[swift mango]

Moran make Nero 100% dr, scarlet deal zero dmg to her wiping. Rapu survive the wipe with sr15
, moran, Nero buff and tempering. Everyone hit Nero with normal attack, Rapu heal Nero back. Burst 2nd time rapu revive HelmT and nuke scar.

[signal hull]

So ugh... If I want this team to survive Scar or Cindy, they all need to be heavily invested? I was planning to try Moran/Bay/Rapunzel/Biscuit/HelmT. Otherwise no point? My Moran Bay and Rapunzel are not invested at all.

[tropic summit]

naga centi cind helm liter
scarlet blanc rh xmaiden jackal
noah biscuit siren sbs viper

quantum on jackal, xmaiden
vigor on blanc, biscuit
temperance on noah
any other nikke run highest lvl cube

wishlist trina and rumani
consider laplace treasure

aim for teams on the right once you've invested in noise and obtained rumani and trina
frima has no place in pvp as of yet

[onyx scaffold]

idk if this is considered pvp hardcore or merely cp padding guy

[tropic summit]

if linked noise with noise taunt priority, that team is gonna be annoying

[nimble hound]

Hey, Isn't here CH for champ-arena?

[onyx scaffold]

this channel is for Cheering Arena yes

[nimble hound]

I need last deck.

[onyx scaffold]

noise cindy team

[sleek imp]

am I cooked, SP 2nd but Im syunchro 192 and no blue data case

I cant partake CA

[swift mango]

He had enough resource and luck to max doll those units. Maybe not rolling CS, who know... rolling CS actually reduce your CP, not increasing them. Cindy low CP probably from him rolling Ele on her... or just being super unluck like my Crown.

ofc he could be both, just hit him once or watch his record to know

[uneven lichen]

thanks for the assist gents, im now sitting comfy at 8 , without all the usual suspects demoting me to diamond. hopefully i can just camp here for a while

[nimble hound]

Is it better than 5 shots?

[swift mango]

Just Indom RH it if you don't have Emi or strong enough Scar.

[pale knoll]

[swift mango]

HelmT buffed by RH should be able one shot link as well. or even RH buffed indom sbs... ofc this probably got healed.

Noah+Biscuit+helmT+rh+Lapt/Emi is still the best Rookie team.

alternative could compromise with Noah+Biscuit+RH+Rapu+HelmT to stall and kill them.

[limber rampart]

@calm gull bro spare me pls

[shell hazel]

naughty Rinn

@calm gull you have been found guilty of attacking someone in the pvp mode where you attack people. how do you plead?
Flora can't save you now

[oblique ridge]

OBJECTION!

Oh wait, he's already found guilty?

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/phoenix-wright-ace-attorney-after-careful-consideration-i-have-come-to-the-conclusion-that-your-opinion-sucks-gif-25893576

[umbral belfry]

[oak gale]

@shell hazel so about the stage i talked about 2 days ago, managed to do it after spending 60+ rocks on improving cinderella and quency
aka brute forcing through the 3 healers

@sterile latch only max of 4 imgs my guy dont send 9 imgs 💀 send the imgs in multiple messages

[sterile latch]

Oh okie. I'm new to DC so I didn't know.

[oak gale]

its fine lol

[sterile latch]

I want a team for Rookie arena and champions arena please. I would be glad if you professionals could help me out. Here's my humble amount of nikkes I have in my pocket. Thanks in advance. I'd prefer if @tropic summit would answer but anyone else would be okay too.

[sterile latch]

Is it okay now?

[oak gale]

i mean ye
we all do that sometimes dw lol

[sterile latch]

Ok thanks Sir/Ma'am.

[lunar pawn]

what am I seeing

[oak gale]

either that guy hates neon so much
or he doesnt understand what pvp is

making a random team in pvp with characters u play with is fine we all been there 💀 but putting lvl 1 nikke in slot 1 right in the open is diabolical

[lunar pawn]

[placid bloom]

He is maxing his madness

[oak gale]

is this what ppl in lvl 500 do? im barley reaching syncro 300

[shell hazel]

ah nice one, you should be home free for more stages now 🙂

[keen tendon]

Any thoughts on how to beat this team?

[oak gale]

sure am , until the next healers 💀

[tropic summit]

any:

noah biscuit helm centi noise
noah biscuit helm laplace noise
noah biscuit helm xmaiden noise

[keen tendon]

Is there any way I can replace noise?

[oak gale]

get noah instead of blanc i think , u need to burst before them and u need to counter scarlet ult incase
at least thats how i would go about it idk how good that is

[tropic summit]

ye

noah biscuit helmt laplace rapunzel

[forest zodiac]

could someone assist me with this pls-pls?

[keen tendon]

How sure are you this will work?

[tropic summit]

to give you an idea you're aiming for this scenario

[tropic summit]

as for above ^

[shell hazel]

you are speaking to the emperor of pvp-arena 😛

[keen tendon]

Yeah well it didn’t work

[oak gale]

rip 💀

[keen tendon]

Does anyone else know how to beat this team?

[shell hazel]

rip

[umbral belfry]

😭

[shell hazel]

mirror come flip that coin 😄

[umbral belfry]

wouldn't a 2rl noah cindy?

that's a 3rl right?

[oak gale]

you could try what i said , no garantee since im not an expert but imo , if u can tank the first scarlet ult u could take them down pretty quickly, noah will tank scarlet's dmg and give u enough rl to outburst them even

[tropic summit]

helmt s1 lvl 10 (the unit must be phase 2 treasure)
noah on temperance
biscuit on vigor
laplace treasured
rapunzel/noise

on non deficit

if it didn't work you're not doing something of the above

[keen tendon]

Uh huh

[oak gale]

i just see battery i add more battery than their battery 💀

[shell hazel]

you'd have to record it as well

[keen tendon]

So this guy keeps changing his team comp to kill me

I kill him yesterday, he changes his team

Then he kills me

[umbral belfry]

🔋

[keen tendon]

Then I kill him

[oak gale]

welcome to the cycle of pvp

[keen tendon]

So does anyone know how to beat him?

What team comp would work best

[oak gale]

[umbral belfry]

unless I'm missing something, should hit before balances indom.

[keen tendon]

Is this regarding my team?

[signal hull]

Gimme your bright ideas, gents (have everyone except collabs).

[umbral belfry]

Yes, vs the opp team

Noah Noise Cindy Helmt Rumani, no?

[oak gale]

thats my idea cmonn

[tropic summit]

ye that's on deficit, 17.2%

[umbral belfry]

or centi to sub

[umbral belfry]

[forest zodiac]

will this work?

[keen tendon]

Can I change rumani?

[tropic summit]

invest more in your noah biscuit and noise/rapunzel then you can take him

[placid bloom]

I just do 3RL Blanc Mermaid SBS into those types of teams tbh, p1 gets stunned and RH bursts but dies to SBS and p1 unstuns and does nothing

[tropic summit]

rumani will steal a biscuit s2 from noah, but you can give it a shot

[oak gale]

[keen tendon]

I don’t have noise leveled or rumani

Any way to change it up or no?

[umbral belfry]

Could for centi i suppose, but if you're in cp deficit like rail said above it's rip

[oak gale]

just replace blanc with noah-

[forest zodiac]

I already fought similar t1 with that team but his positions are different
I fought this t2 with that team but instead of biscuit it was lapT
I don't think I've fought that t3

[tropic summit]

he's dying to indom

[umbral belfry]

and deficit

[oak gale]

what is indom

[umbral belfry]

[oak gale]

[umbral belfry]

blanc's burst effect

[umbral belfry]

@keen tendon you can try this as well assuming no deficit + they're built up

[oak gale]

*time to reread blanc's kit again *

[placid bloom]

Well your Mermaid might die to Scar counter, you are 45 sync lower

[umbral belfry]

[shell hazel]

[umbral belfry]

your t2 will lose. while SGs may get through noise, biscuit protects noah and then cindy will wipe you. T3, siren will stun moran after she bursted

[keen tendon]

I just keep dying to the stupid blanc indom, even though I cast full burst after him

[forest zodiac]

could you suggest me something please?

[keen tendon]

Why is arena so damn stupid?? We both have blanc and I cast full burst a full second after he does, then it’s a 1v1 agains our scarlets and he always wins even though I’ve got longer indom on blanc

[placid bloom]

Are you reloading

[worthy knoll]

You sure you were the longer one? Do you have vid?

[umbral belfry]

It's difficult without knowing what you have. t2 can be 2 rl Scar, t3 you can noah bisc sbs or cindy

[keen tendon]

Yes I’m the longer one

[worthy knoll]

Yeah show vid so we can know why

[placid bloom]

It has to be reload timing issue, otherwise you should not be losing

[worthy knoll]

Coz if you were the longer one the chances are.. you were reloading and your opponent somehow didn't trigger your Scar S2 when they were attacking while you were reloading

Another possible scenario is both of you are on reload but he reloaded first, and by the time it was done, your indom somehow was expired and killed your Scarlet while yours is about to finish reloading

[covert lintel]

nice super mirror

[forest zodiac]

I don't have scarlet or rapu

https://www.blablalink.com/shiftyspad/nikke-list?uid=MjkwODAtNTk2MDgxNzQwNDgxMzY0NzYwOQ%3D%3D

shiftypad is ok or need screenshot?

[umbral belfry]

the link is fine ty ty, 1 sec

[worthy knoll]

You were the first one to burst with Blanc in here

So opponents indom was longer

See the heal

[keen tendon]

So how can I fix this, my team doesn’t have a single quantum cube

[worthy knoll]

Just don't mirror it

[keen tendon]

He’s copying my team lol

So what’s a good team to beat him?

[worthy knoll]

Any 2 RL Noah team with Biscuit should be fine 🤔

[keen tendon]

It’s not though

[worthy knoll]

Better if Noise Noah

[keen tendon]

I need a team comp

[signal hull]

Get more ammo on Scarlet so she didn't have to reload lol.

[keen tendon]

She wasn’t reloading

[shell hazel]

it's not ammo

[worthy knoll]

Noise Noah HelmTPhase3 Biscuit Trina?

[keen tendon]

Why would I use Trina without scarlet???

[worthy knoll]

For gen

[shell hazel]

trina is a generic clip rl

[worthy knoll]

That isn't a defender

That might take away your Biscuit S2

[signal hull]

Siren won't stun?

[shell hazel]

she's just a battery there

[worthy knoll]

Trina is good for Scarlet, but it doesn't mean you need to use her just on Scarlet

[covert lintel]

she is good for healing

[keen tendon]

Is there any possible way to substitute noise?

[worthy knoll]

Another one, I think
Noah Moran HelmTPhase3 Biscuit Laplace+ tho you need Quantums to ensure its 2 RL

[tropic summit]

scarlet blanc emilia siren jackal
naga centi cind helm noise
temp CP pad (use your highest CP units)

quantum on jackal and emilia
vigor on blanc, noise
other nikke run highest lvl cube

notes

wishlist/build biscuit, rapunzel, trina, rumani, redhood

get your teams reviewed once the above are available, you can aim for the teams on the right once biscuit is obtained, but can probably do better teams overall once trina and rumani are also available

[keen tendon]

This is my team with noise, it’s way to under leveled

[tropic summit]

he's on deficit with noah

[signal hull]

Noah/Biscuit/Helm/Jackal(or Rumani)/RH. Block Scarlet, heal up with Helm, Red Hood will go full burst in the end to finish it.

[keen tendon]

I’ve got to find a different one for noise

[covert lintel]

rumani can do it

[keen tendon]

I don’t have her

[covert lintel]

[worthy knoll]

Aye if you have CP problems show your box first

[tropic summit]

if quantum lvl 7 you can run this, as it runs 2 treasured units + RH i'd believe you should at least exit deficit

[umbral belfry]

T1 : Noise Rumani Cindy Helmt Noah. Your Noah has more CS vs Noise and I think due to that noise will have taunt priority. @tropic summit is this correct?
T2: Skip
T3: Moran Bisc Sbs Centi (+ quantum cube for 3 RL) xMaid

Make sure you're not below cp deficit

[worthy knoll]

So we won't need to guess your units by CP.. show your box ordered by Power

[umbral belfry]

@forest zodiac

[keen tendon]

We just keep going in circles, I need a team that can beat him out of units I have

[tropic summit]

linked siren, if noah has taunt priority, noah gonna get stunned

[forest zodiac]

thank you

[umbral belfry]

Their Noah is 14 CS vs Noise 10

[tropic summit]

if noise taunt priority he gonna be gud

ye then it's a noise taunt priority, sounds good

[umbral belfry]

so Noise has the priority right?

[tropic summit]

well done @umbral belfry

[umbral belfry]

leveling up

[shell hazel]

[covert lintel]

so lucky to have 13 sr15

[oak gale]

@shell hazel

[shell hazel]

at sync 421 though multiple SR-15 should be good

[worthy knoll]

How low is that Noah CP

[keen tendon]

Would this team work?

[worthy knoll]

Oh wait its in the party so its not shown

[keen tendon]

It should be 10 second of Cindy invincibility

[shell hazel]

don't worry on tribe too much we need hard mode progress for outpost resources 😛

[keen tendon]

Could this work or no?

[oak gale]

will do on that , but i like to push this as hard as possible , both for the rewards and for the leaderboard
but to think just rerolling attributes on ol relics can do so much

[worthy knoll]

How much RL is that?

[covert lintel]

3

[worthy knoll]

3 RL i guess

[tropic summit]

low feed team aswell, might work in time

[worthy knoll]

It should be fine

[keen tendon]

Should I try to delay my burst? Or get it fast?

[worthy knoll]

I prefer Noise burst though over RH

Nah that is fine

[tropic summit]

his noise doesn't cut the CP requirement

[worthy knoll]

Sad

[tropic summit]

hopefully biscuit doesn't die before giving second s2

then he should stall enough

[umbral belfry]

Just realized I put cindy twice 😭 Sbs can work for t3 too

[worthy knoll]

I just hope Cindy don't steal Biscu S2

[covert lintel]

or he can just burst with helm to defend against scar s2

[tropic summit]

indeed

[keen tendon]

I’m not entirely sure how I won?

[worthy knoll]

Just Burst with 2 RL HelmT too to kill Scar and RH

[tropic summit]

very RNGy

worse range on scarlet s2 and you'd be dead

better RNG against scarlet s2 and you'd probably live with 2 or more nikke

[worthy knoll]

If you were using Noise you would stall longer

Sadly not enough CP

[tropic summit]

ye sucks not having either rapu or noise built for that

[keen tendon]

Are you a noise fanboy or something??? I’m building her but she is way to underleveled

[tropic summit]

read her kit and you'd know why she works perfectly for those scenarios sir

[worthy knoll]

Aye I'm done

[signal hull]

His invuln ended before he could finish RH that's how.

[worthy knoll]

You handle it Rail

[sterile latch]

I have Rapunzel and Rumani. Will that change the team?

[tropic summit]

we already told him what to build

[worthy knoll]

I am not obliged to help anyway

[tropic summit]

thank you @worthy knoll

although it shouldn't come from me

[umbral belfry]

lmfao 😭

No thanks no nothing

[sterile latch]

?

[keen tendon]

What just happened????? I just killed him????

[shell hazel]

thanks for nothing hime

[umbral belfry]

thanks for the rumani

[tropic summit]

ye you can upgrade T2 to 2RL from 3RL, as long as it doesn't tank CP too much

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/scarlet-nikke-gif-9795386418329407642

[tropic summit]

dead to RNG of scarlet s2, it has a % to procc, as we talked about earlier

[sterile latch]

Thanks Sensei Rail.

[tropic summit]

no problemo

[shell hazel]

I got tetra SSR in 10 social pulls today

was it rumani? no. it was blanc (still a win and only 1 * now lol)

[umbral belfry]

[keen tendon]

I changed up my cubes a bit, is this better?

[tropic summit]

it's not, still behind RNG

to remove that factor you'd need damage reduction or sustain, which means bursting with helmT or with a noise/rapunzel B1

[shell hazel]

who does helm t target on burst?

[tropic summit]

highest atk%, in this case linked unit

[keen tendon]

So should I start dumping materials into noise? Is she super overpowered?

[shell hazel]

she'll get stuck firing at scarlet mostly then and may kill via link?

[tropic summit]

no her nuke hits highest atk%, snipers on attack hit p5 unless taunted

[shell hazel]

so she'll kill in reverse sort of? highest atk may be RH on opponent side

[oak gale]

u know that one moment where u just yell "DIE DIE DIE"? @shell hazel

[tropic summit]

copy pasta from Keripo PvP tierlist description of Noise:

Since launch, Noise has been nerfed twice already for healing herself and the team way too much, but even after her nerfs, she is still an extremely strong meta unit whose auto attacks taunt and whose Burst gives the entire team a huge max HP buff that allows them to possibly survive Scarlet/2B/Maiden nukes and gives some decent continual heals throughout Full Burst. Being a B1 with ok burst gen, she can easily fit into pretty much any team, making her a premium B1 pick despite the multiple nerfs

[shell hazel]

I don't want people telling me to die 😦

[oak gale]

thats why we use the raptures as an outlet to yell die

[shell hazel]

[oak gale]

cmon , the question mark was asking politely

[tropic summit]

the thing with bursting with helmT is that her nuke deals so much damage that it overflows, e.g. it's overkill and some of her dmg is wasted
ironically, an enemy jackal helps exactly with that, because she distributes the damage to other 3 nikke, then the overflow dmg can be used

hence the reason Helm and xmaiden are called "link killers"

[umbral belfry]

[shell hazel]

[wanton juniper]

@swift mango The formation you gave me the other day worked very nicely. 2 tries, 2 wins. I lost zero of my Nikke, he got near full wipe with only Siren and Blanc on indom. Pulled my quantums off and just gave them charge damage cubes.

[calm gull]

bruh I let my cousin do my daily yesterday

[tropic summit]

cousin chose violence

[keen tendon]

Alrighty, I put some materials into her. And now she’s got the same amount of combat power as my Noah and biscuit

[umbral belfry]

holy

[keen tendon]

What skills should i prioritize

[deft pelican]

what can i do to counter this its for rookie arena ?

[shell hazel]

good excuse, but does it stand up in court? 😛

[keen tendon]

So what’s a good team for from earlier that uses noise

[shell hazel]

4/4/7 if on a budget is good for now

[calm gull]

talk to my lawyer

[shell hazel]

is your lawyer also your cousin? 😄

[calm gull]

his dad

[tropic summit]

sauce: https://www.prydwen.gg/nikke/characters/noise

[shell hazel]

typically run with cindy comps due to hp scaling

[keen tendon]

So now that I’ve got noise, what’s a team that could beat this guy?

[umbral belfry]

The 2 rl I brought up earlier: noise noah cindy helmt rumani or centi

[tropic summit]

you want to use noise in either DR teams, cindy teams or stall teams

[keen tendon]

Here’s that team

[umbral belfry]

But she's right there

I listed her 2nd

[tropic summit]

[keen tendon]

Is there no need for biscuit? Why is centi here instead of biscuit?

[shell hazel]

burst gen

biscuit is slow

[umbral belfry]

With bisc instead it's at 3 rl instead of 2 rl

[shell hazel]

noise buffs/heals

[umbral belfry]

2 rl will wipe regardless

[keen tendon]

Is this to great of a power dif?

[tropic summit]

hime about to learn indom RNG

[umbral belfry]

[tropic summit]

finger crossed blanc is the first to be hit

time to hit the

[umbral belfry]

what was the opponent's cp again?

[shell hazel]

no, learn how to calc the cp deficit it's like 15%

[keen tendon]

This is before I upgraded noise mind you

[shell hazel]

take enemy cp * 0.85 = your **minimum ** cp to not hit deficit

[keen tendon]

This is my teams power now

[umbral belfry]

yes you're free from cp deficit after the noise boost

[umbral belfry]

[keen tendon]

So would this team win?

[umbral belfry]

change team order. cindy in pos2 gives oppo team more burst gen due to decoy.

noise noah cindy helmt centi

[shell hazel]

in theory it should just record and full send it. and make sure you know how to calc if you're in deficit or not 😛

and sort the positions out like hime said

[umbral belfry]

so yes it should win, but if indom rng screws you as rail Saif (this has never happened to me personally but I suppose it's a possibility)

[glacial lion]

my cindy deal less dmg but i win somehow...

[keen tendon]

If I lose I’ll hold you to it

[umbral belfry]

take hippo instead pls

[shell hazel]

I volunteer hime as tribute

[umbral belfry]

[covert lintel]

i'm sure when his noah died early, he will tantrum at you

[umbral belfry]

no bully

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/2020got-me-like-is-it-over-hippo-roll-gif-17260148

[umbral belfry]

if his noah dies that's beyond my power

[keen tendon]

So here’s the setup, but I’m fairly certain noise will die before she bursts

[umbral belfry]

I have my doubts. if this was a 3 rl set up I could see it. but if you want to play it safe you can exchange centi for rumani

[keen tendon]

Here’s your proof

[shell hazel]

it's rookie arena anyway = doesn't matter really just treat it as a chance to learn what works/what doesn't

[umbral belfry]

bruh

[shell hazel]

noise burst so that wasn't the issue anyway

[umbral belfry]

hey at least it wasn't scar this time right

[keen tendon]

Hey at least my team worked and yours didn’t

[shell hazel]

issue was scar died so RH burst (and RH was the more annoying one to deal with on indom here)

[umbral belfry]

you are a very spicy spicy crab

like a spicy cat or something

[keen tendon]

I do love spicy food

But I would love it if someone actually knew how to help me with team comps

[umbral belfry]

it's up to you hippo

[shell hazel]

I volunteer hime as tribute again

https://tenor.com/view/moo-deng-slice-hatred-envy-gif-6139395859946016881

[umbral belfry]

I got dailies to do

and if adding bisc onto his team makes him below cp deficit then I fear I am out of ideas

[covert lintel]

i suggest u guys should see level difference before seeing some cp

[umbral belfry]

that is a great level diff too

[shell hazel]

manners are free, you're coming across like you want to speak to the manager a bit 😄

people here are just helping for free etc, not like there are absolutes in this game

there is no golden team that will always win

[keen tendon]

Hahahah nah man

[shell hazel]

I don't think you even thanked anyone for trying to help you?

[umbral belfry]

poor merry

[covert lintel]

look at this
even my cp below him i'll still win for sure.
so make sure before calculate any cp, look at lv difference.
that is my advice

[keen tendon]

I threw together this team and it crushed him

[keen tendon]

Indeed I have thanked many a kind soul for helping me

[umbral belfry]

what did quiry do to deserve that

[shell hazel]

well the way you replied is more like:
"your team suggestion sucked I'll find someone else"
when could have used:
"thanks for suggesting the team but it didn't work"
world of difference in the approach, the first method is not likely getting people to want to help you if they just get replies with extra helping of attitude

[keen tendon]

Noted, but if something fails I’m not going to glorify it

[umbral belfry]

Character Development

[keen tendon]

Any thoughts on how to beat this team?

The Rosanna is keeping me down

[oak gale]

i might have broke the game its been taking a good minute

stage 308 should be good enough tho ye?

[sand gazelle]

Thx for both of ur helps. I tried around, managed to beat him with this comp even though he had a 100K lead in CP