pvp-arena

[coarse solstice]

Probably not

[kind palm]

probably soda helm linked

[coarse solstice]

But it's better than Noah exposed

[kind palm]

cuz others defender

[placid bloom]

yeah but doll progress

unless all same doll same core

and no Atk OL on Cindy

[coarse solstice]

Do you have scarlet?

[kind palm]

[kind palm]

cindy probably easy to counter anyways ig

kinda tried to go with the idea that soda will stun noah counter for cin wipe

[kind palm]

don't worry that's my current rookie def

around 12% min cs too

[coarse solstice]

This works even if not linked

[kind palm]

I think I'll scrap my soda def and try this def
usually I use biscuit instead of anchor

[covert lintel]

my rookie def is a joke, but idk why no one atked

[kind palm]

but soda def really make enemy rng sometimes when soda can stun B1

but usally lose to rosanna though

[coarse solstice]

It's not RNG against Noah at least

Big fan of helm burst 💪. Underated

[kind palm]

when I stopped thinking I go fight with this comp
win vs blanc vs cin vs noah vs rosanna

cuz noah is the only defender she get double biscuit invul

[long chasm]

I dont have triana should i use chrismas anne?

[onyx scaffold]

Can use the Blanc team but Rumani instead.
Scar blanc centi rumani jackal

[kind palm]

can't replace if you already use blanc as B2
trina fills 2 important role
2s invul to scar
clipRL more gen

[onyx scaffold]

Yeah Anne is slow

[kind palm]

scar without 2sec trina invul can die to pressure even if linked with jackal

[onyx scaffold]

Yeah Laplace 4 ele moment

[primal charm]

chat am i cookin

[swift mango]

Tier 4 final in SEA... It would be very bad luck if I lost.

I would refer the match with Aoki yesterday to be final more...

But it is what it is.

[primal charm]

i bet on your side

take my energy ✋🏻 🤚🏻

[swift mango]

It's the 6th time this season that people bet against me. Every single one.

[primal charm]

why noise and noah not sr 15 tho

[swift mango]

Because I don't have doll mats.

My luck with doll upgrade isn't good at all sr15 count favourite total 12.

I reroll dispatch every day for more mats

[primal charm]

im cookin

[swift mango]

Kinda thankful I won though. It was one tough match...

[primal charm]

your upgrade have good strat yet

[midnight marsh]

wow, actual delta abuse

[primal charm]

@swift mango wait what miranda doin here

[midnight marsh]

guaranteed crit

treasured Miranda for Emilia one tap

[primal charm]

what do they mean 1 round(s)

[midnight marsh]

It's just 1 round. The (s) is just text formatting issue.

[primal charm]

round?

we play turnbase or what

[midnight marsh]

one single Emilia attack
Round is another word for bullet+powder
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cartridge_(firearms)

[primal charm]

knowledge gaining

[raven plover]

I was gonna use delta bug but its inconsistent now

after siren update I feel like something changed

[shell hazel]

only problem is siren stuns your noah there 😛

then your biscuit bursts instead and no good

[swift mango]

What bug?

[onyx scaffold]

yes

[raven plover]

yea its a bug found around smol rei release (the freebie). basically taunt + decoy interaction is bugged, if delta decoy gone your units gonna freezed, literally not attacking, not reloading. 10 seconds of stun

[midnight marsh]

JP community was convinced people would get banned for Delta if used in CA

Nobody dared use

[shell hazel]

the recordings are public

but's kind of silly if they left it bugged for arena all this time

[swift mango]

What can they do if they got one shot and only delta survive?

[raven plover]

after sirene update I tried it again, idk she sometimes doesnt pull it off

[raven plover]

what one shot if you cant attack after delta burst

[shell hazel]

maybe they put more effort into fixing arena bugs a bit with CA

[swift mango]

Delta burst and her decoy immediately busted?

[raven plover]

ye no invest delta its weird

[swift mango]

Then let's see if their luck better or mine.

[shell hazel]

very few people talk about delta in this channel which is weird if she's so bugged

there are 30 results in total in pvp arena and about half of those are probably today 😄

[raven plover]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1035735896374386749/1300779131004518410/NIKKE_2024-10-29-18-10-44.mp4?ex=68286ef8&is=68271d78&hm=c61c27e19a5b4f39b1ffed2743d610c5ebce54482a79b605c89f554cc5d05ad7&

this was my 2024 record for my union member cus they asked about it

I tried it again before season 3 CA, its... inconsistent

[swift mango]

Don't talk about consistent.

[raven plover]

if its working like it used to I already use it for CA

[swift mango]

Her decoy blew because SBS s1 attack. Nothing weird here

[raven plover]

ya pretty much p1 fast enough to break the decoy

https://fixvx.com/DBdaisukiDaniel/status/1915738174804070423?t=QLCV9MFHSM6RBMHVxPNPnQ&s=19

Daniel (@DBdaisukiDaniel)

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recent not p1

[midnight marsh]

Delta still gets talked about here and there on Twitter and people are always doing meme recording tests in rookie

[swift mango]

Record in SpA. Rookie is unreliable

It's a different system in there comparing to SpA and CA.

[midnight marsh]

Oh true

[kind palm]

patch by patch we get more options to atk
cp gap is the only salvation to def teams

[swift mango]

Make it 3/3 win for a win and ATK would be hard

I do 3/3 all the time when my CP in range though.

[shell hazel]

if you beat someone 3/3 they should be unable to attack you for 6 hours 😄

[swift mango]

This sounds really good proposal

[swift mango]

@desert yoke Kun please listen to this man and report to your boss

[shell hazel]

intern you got this

[unique mountain]

Time to log in

[placid bloom]

replays fixed yet?

[covert lintel]

from nobody to the champion

[outer grail]

@swift mango congrats

[placid bloom]

@worthy sorrel congrats on 2 time winner frame

[uncut portal]

I choose right chioce everytime but why I still don't get this frame.

[shell hazel]

@grand plaza other guy won, the one no one was betting on

[covert lintel]

still in result confirmation, wait for 1hour

[uncut portal]

Thank you very much!

[grand plaza]

I freaking knew it

[shell hazel]

did you follow majority in the end?

[placid bloom]

now to wait an hour for loser frame

[keen vapor]

You guys got the frame? I've failed every season so far

[grand plaza]

I won this last game

[placid bloom]

I will have both now

[snow kraken]

[placid bloom]

look like no 3-peat for 2nd lowest league in NA

[coarse solstice]

@worthy sorrel Champ Champ hell yeah dude ggs

[shell hazel]

unlucky @coarse solstice but at least we get the beers now 🙂

🍻

[unique mountain]

Who won your bracket

[coarse solstice]

Anytime there's a reason 😄 I'm down

[swift mango]

Thanks. My SG team got countered by their awful slow SG team. My HelmT got Bay stunned by them 1/5 gamble won. But I still pushed though

[raven plover]

ohh idk havent check

[swift mango]

@raven plover Take this.

[raven plover]

he finally win

[raven plover]

ya you see thats why I said it kinda doesnt work

[worthy knoll]

Fudgin hell, I believed in their Nero

[midnight marsh]

Are replays working for CA for finals? I can’t check game right now for another 8 hours

[shell hazel]

yeah

[midnight marsh]

Awesome

[shell hazel]

looks like it, think last one was broken due to update

[covert lintel]

#pvp-arena message

[midnight marsh]

I am fellow Nero believer
Finals of my CA had NeroMora mirror haha
I am told my Nero won but I can’t check myself until I get home tonight

[shell hazel]

my DrakeT will be ready for upcoming CA

[raven plover]

thanks boss
@unique mountain

[keen vapor]

Never trust in other people's Nero

[fathom rock]

@swift mango it ended in a wlwll for jin

[keen vapor]

Retro

[swift mango]

Scarlet had a wonderful thing called Crit.

[grand plaza]

WTF this game lmao everything is pretty much opposite of what we guessed :D

Second game Scarlet simply died too fast to even burst

3rd game Noise dies because of rocked whiffing

4rd game Rapunzel managed to respawn Nero because of Siren stun and managed to burst...

2 games we were doubting won, 2 games we were certain lost

[midnight marsh]

My NeroMora won against two scarlets I think during playoffs

[keen vapor]

I wish me

[covert lintel]

seem like still bugged
other than emi they are frozen

[shell hazel]

I don't think I analysed the matches fully tbh, it's why I just went with the majority guy 😄

I only looked at a couple of the matchups

[swift mango]

That's why Emi is the 🐐

[grand plaza]

I even asked Railtracer

#pvp-arena message

[keen vapor]

[midnight marsh]

They really need to fix or prohibit Delta or something lol

[shell hazel]

#pvp-arena message
this one I thought they'd be 2RL with feed, that the one you mean?

[covert lintel]

press report button, he's trying to utilize the bug

[keen vapor]

So, update broke champ arena perma..... Oh right, it had data from before

[grand plaza]

Yeah, the issue is Scarlet died before burst anyway

[swift mango]

It worked, and f that lucky bug abuser. He got his ass handle.

[shell hazel]

I thought the indom would trigger then anyway

with similar speed + blanc b2

[keen vapor]

In essence, CA can finish as soon as it starts

[raven plover]

the "kinda doesnt work part" is the b3 can still proc burst yea, I tried on sp vs scar + cindy delta no longer stop the b3

[grand plaza]

Yeah

Overall I am most mad about 3rd game. Lose because of rocket whiffling :/ If noise could live I think Cindy would wipe the state clean

[swift mango]

Their decoy busted after my Emi charge.

[shell hazel]

the SG teams were always a risky one, in my matches vs that guy we just traded SG wins vs Cindy comps lol

[swift mango]

So my Emi keep charging

[umbral belfry]

@coarse solstice cover your ears for today

[swift mango]

Nothing wrong about that

It's not really stun here but bug

It's doesn't stop attack that already done

[pastel owl]

laplace lived

[raven plover]

yea emi should stop there back then I no longer have my sanis delta vs emi clip from 2024

[coarse solstice]

I just won't tell Dapper hell be ok

[worthy knoll]

I guess SAnis is really that shit against Nero even with Blanc debuff

[umbral belfry]

2nd place still good though @worthy sorrel grats!

[umbral belfry]

nah i gotta snitch

[swift mango]

That's because Emi busted their Decoy before she bursted.

It's not rocket science

[grand plaza]

Noise died to AnchorM tho, otherwise shotgun part wasn't surprise

[raven plover]

all I can say it doesnt work like it used to be

[covert lintel]

so if it's late, your emi could freeze too?

[swift mango]

It's just because he suck and not have enough CS.

[raven plover]

delta needs to open first

[swift mango]

It's 2.5rl vs 3

Delta burst right before Emi. Not enough time for her decoy to busted

[raven plover]

[swift mango]

But GA from my Union just won champ winning against Nero with ASS.

It's just about investment

[covert lintel]

many people would bring delta next CA if SU didn't fix it

[swift mango]

F bug abusers.

[umbral belfry]

what does delta even do?

[swift mango]

Make everyone stop attacking for 10 second

Better Noah and Blanc

[umbral belfry]

wtf

[swift mango]

[swift mango]

Check my video. I won though.

My 🐐 Emilia finally has her greatest win yet. Against bug abuser to boot

[shell hazel]

anchor new 🐐

[raven plover]

people who fought him and checked the battle history gonna press that report button

[unique mountain]

Can u send me his five teams

[grand plaza]

I can't drop her as well, she hates me lol

[unique mountain]

[shell hazel]

she's great in raids too, I'm boosting her skills a bit as I have some spare books (lol when did this ever happen before?!)

burst manuals still shortage but skill I had some extra as I had my pvp units and core units where I wanted skill wise

[onyx scaffold]

i guessed it correctly

[fiery parcel]

Congrats @swift mango

[unique mountain]

Thenx

[grand plaza]

I think we have to thank our beloved Villain for that, I levelled up 4-5 DPS at once like SBS, RH, Siren and made a lot more decent instead of 1 1 1

Now I will get Ein and invest on her as well for MC. Currently I am hitting 1 damage -_-

[unique mountain]

@covert lintel yo what guild u in

[onyx scaffold]

section

[unique mountain]

No

He's with the cool kids

[swift mango]

maybe it wasn't a bug but a feature all along.... why no one try Rei though?

because no one target her even if she taunt?

[raven plover]

doesnt work with rei

[umbral belfry]

I'm confused though. why didn't emi freeze then?

[onyx scaffold]

A guy tried rei and got top 4 in my bracket

Nvm i meant eva rei. Not free rei

[umbral belfry]

[swift mango]

I asked why though.

[raven plover]

maybe because the decoy exist since start of battle no answer for that yea

[swift mango]

I must be the first even to bring ReiT, Miranda and Emi to champion.

[onyx scaffold]

No but u are the first one actually wins

[swift mango]

I mean I must be the first champ with all of them in my teams.

[unique mountain]

Bring to champion = wins

[swift mango]

and no delta

[shell hazel]

AI is pretty good at generating a table from the team images in CA

[onyx scaffold]

How many pvp malders are there in your CA bracket?

[quick lake]

Happy Champion @swift mango

[onyx scaffold]

Pog

[placid bloom]

we using AI to make CA team now?

[shell hazel]

no to remove the labour of laying out team image/data 😄

[onyx scaffold]

Rheax champion when

[unique mountain]

Ask ai what should be a good reward for champion arena

[quick lake]

Not soon

[onyx scaffold]

Gotta give up RAID completely like these malders, bro

[shell hazel]

AI is pretty rubbish at CA team creation but I suppose it may actually be better than some of the teams I saw

[midnight marsh]

ReiT is extraordinarily popular in JP and everybody at the top uses her I think

[quick lake]

No Emilia, cant win

[worthy knoll]

Guess Baguette and Pepega got 2 Champ wins now, Hobo was a one man army tho

[quick lake]

and too many high sync ppl

[unique mountain]

Nah ambatu still squeaks in frame 3s

[onyx scaffold]

U can make tool to generate best teams base on win rate tho
Just like enikk

[unique mountain]

Erm you're missing a guild

[onyx scaffold]

Yeah I can get 3% with 2 raid teams

[unique mountain]

In sea little bro

[umbral belfry]

AI gonna tell you to make a full team of R rarity

[quick lake]

We should have pvp unions. All top 16 give union gems or smthing

[worthy knoll]

Oh 2 Sections this season?

[quick lake]

missed opportunity

[midnight marsh]

I wonder if this is first time someone won CA without a Scarlet team

[onyx scaffold]

3 teams then

[quick lake]

Probably only in lower sync brackets

[onyx scaffold]

Unfair comparison cuz ^ reason

[worthy knoll]

I thought it was just Blood

[swift mango]

About 7. Including the whale. I mean SpA...

[unique mountain]

Pog

[swift mango]

and the brick

oh wait my mistake

I thought you said SpA.

[unique wagon]

Even if there is an enikk for that it wont be allowed here

[unique mountain]

You're aoki

[shell hazel]

probably true to some degree but counters gonna counter I guess

[unique mountain]

Bruh

[shell hazel]

I've not looked at the enikk app

[unique mountain]

[unique wagon]

Youre missing out

[swift mango]

Thanks... We got isekai somehow...

[onyx scaffold]

CA though? U haven't counted?

[unique wagon]

I know Blood is a CA winner candidate

Hes got plot armor

[swift mango]

What would you consider PvP malder? The bug abuser I face last round counted?

[covert lintel]

coolest

[unique mountain]

Ye , the cool kids

[unique wagon]

U

[swift mango]

I would say Aoki and Serene I faced at top 4-8 is very invested...

People who got to CA and not whale invested in Arena somewhat at least.

[covert lintel]

what's wrong with ppl bullying me

[dire root]

My frame is safe

[unique mountain]

She wants to get in

[unique wagon]

You look like someone who should be bullied jk

[swift mango]

I need a criteria for "Arena malder" then I would go count it.

[unique wagon]

• Does not push Solo Raid hard.
• Is invested more in PvP than in PvE.
• Prefers to pull PvP units more than PvE units.
• Knowledgeable about PvP.
• But not knowledgeable about PvE.

[onyx scaffold]

moran SR15

[swift mango]

How do I know 3-4-5 if I just look at their account....

[swift mango]

They probably no one.

[unique wagon]

Solo Raid rank.

[swift mango]

[onyx scaffold]

not even u?

[swift mango]

I don't have the doll mats nor the luck for that.

[onyx scaffold]

90% pvp units with SR doll then

[umbral belfry]

[onyx scaffold]

U can tell by looking at their units' doll investment and it should tell enough imo

[swift mango]

but if their teams god awful though?

[keen vapor]

Why are you guys talking about me

[onyx scaffold]

Unless it is not cp padding team

[onyx scaffold]

U are not pvp malder.
U are pve slacker

[keen vapor]

[keen vapor]

[covert lintel]

that's me except point 4

[umbral belfry]

echo getting bullied

[swift mango]

Okay I will check and report back after I charge my phone.

[keen vapor]

Bully shake

[swift mango]

Many people pad one team and win against those who pad no team though.

[unique wagon]

Extended criteria:

• Has invested Nero/Moran.
• Has high level Quantum/Tempering.
• Emilia SR 15 10/10/10*
• Noah, Biscuit, Rapunzel, or Noise is higher than 5/5/5.
• Has invested Bay.
• Has invested Soda.
• Has invested Trina.
• What is CP diffing with PvE units?
• Rosanna

[onyx scaffold]

they are not pvp malders.

[keen vapor]

Why are you taking about me

[umbral belfry]

Does an invested bay make a huge different? 4/4/4 is good enough no?

[covert lintel]

No
Yes
Yes
Yes
No
No
Yes
???
absolutely yes

[keen vapor]

Doll ☝️

[umbral belfry]

Ah makes sense

[unique wagon]

You are classified as Regular PvP Resident.

[keen vapor]

What about me? PVP expert ma?

[unique wagon]

Resource waster.

[swift mango]

nero: No because no rapu.
Rapu: Hahaahhaha no.
Emi: 101010 but sr5.
Quantum 8, tempering 7. Resilience 10. 1 year 2 months player could be helped.
rest yes.

[bleak shale]

[keen vapor]

I'm more PVP than blood!

[unique wagon]

You are classified as PvP Malder.

[covert lintel]

god of cheer

[unique wagon]

Wait I thought Echo doesnt have Emilia

[keen vapor]

OFC I HAVE

[swift mango]

@umbral crown The real arena malder.

[left current]

hi guys, im kinda returned player and at around top ~100 SP arena, would ask how to build 3 teams with these units. Thanks!

[unique wagon]

There is only one criterion for Campaign.

• Clears Mirror Container before sync 481.

[swift mango]

sorry typo.

[keen vapor]

I'll be there

[unique wagon]

541

[swift mango]

Rosy has 99% resource for arena units. The 1% is because they didn't skill reset yet.

[covert lintel]

as expected whaler never give up
even though that was rank 3 and 2

[keen vapor]

[unique wagon]

Blood whats ur CA teams

@swift mango

[swift mango]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1361204166919458896/1372922152344621158/IMG_20250516_200219.jpg?ex=682888e4&is=68273764&hm=07a69050a7a27d2c9aae62b2eb1e6670ef7a8b013da90e638989541a751d32eb&

[azure latch]

Looking to improve my PVP line up, here is my current line up. I have every Nikke except Arcana, Trina, Crust and Bready

[unique wagon]

Which one is you

[shell hazel]

blood is left

[swift mango]

Maybe I should abuse delta next CA too.

glad Siren hard counter Delta though

my luck with Rock and doll is abysmal.

[shell hazel]

did you win the match against the delta?

[swift mango]

yes, this you muss the whole chat for an hour.

[shell hazel]

I vaguely saw some delta chat but yes sort of I'm working 😄

so didn't catch your specific match details on it 😛

[swift mango]

look at my line up no one could tell I poured 400 rock on Scarlet for nothing.

[unique wagon]

Why delta

[umbral belfry]

everyone use delta next CA

[unique wagon]

Why not use nero

[shell hazel]

bugged apparently

[swift mango]

Delta stop whole time from attacking for 10 second. The better Noah.

[shell hazel]

they can't ban for delta use she is a character in the game

[umbral belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/dio-the-world-power-charge-gif-7228945120027401562

[shell hazel]

but if enough people abuse it they might take notice and fix it

players using in game basic mehanics to form a team without abusing any bugs is fair game sort of

not like they can say you're not allowed to add delta 😄

[coarse solstice]

Mine doesn't have a doll and is fine 💪

[unique wagon]

Huh wdym vid pls

[umbral belfry]

yeah mine is fine too, just r doll though

[coarse solstice]

Does Delta have to burst for it to work or just when the match starts

[shell hazel]

she gotta burst I think

[umbral belfry]

Already entering your villain/legend killer orton arc

[shell hazel]

but someone said it's less reliable now since the latest update?

[covert lintel]

#pvp-arena message

[shell hazel]

maybe I should put Rapu in p2

god who even links here

[placid bloom]

probably Ros Siren

unless your Rapu doll is higher than Siren

[shell hazel]

nah it's not

[placid bloom]

you have Atk line on defender?

[shell hazel]

let me test it in game

[placid bloom]

cuz it should just be attacker + higher supporter

unless you have Atk OL or higher doll on Moran

[bleak shale]

just look at ur char stat page

and multiply in overloads

[umbral belfry]

Hippo playing with his food in rookie

[shell hazel]

easier just to lock in

it's siren + ros as predicted

sasuga Kuwon

[bleak shale]

isnt ur p2 getting blasted tho with p1 target skip

[shell hazel]

yes it's moran, she can take some hits 😄

[bleak shale]

i can take some free burst gen tho

[shell hazel]

though I was kind of interested in some rapu p1 stun action

[placid bloom]

I think it's harder to stun with linked Rapu than unlinked

at least if you're trying to 2RL

[shell hazel]

thinking of going rapu | moran | jackal | ros | siren

kind of want ros to b1 though as well tbh

[placid bloom]

you lose bonus burst dmg if you get splashed by rocket though

[shell hazel]

it ain't bursting anyway it's 5 b1

[swift mango]

Dude even got the crit on my LapT and Centi in that video... His scarlet team was at 100% optimal performance... Slower Soda so got taunted by Moran, he had 1/4 chance to hit Bay. He hit it. Then win the Crit gacha on my LapT and centi and couldn't kill them... fing minimum investment here. Only get half HP of Bay. I won againt the most unfavorable odd and bug abusing this time. Just because my better investment in CS and skill upgrade.

[placid bloom]

no you are bursting Ros

[shell hazel]

but ros needs p1 to burst at all 😛

[placid bloom]

ye

you lose the conceal bonus damage, so might not lethal

[dim escarp]

speaking of skills, do you have the pvp recommanded investment for nero / bay and soda ?

[swift mango]

no luck at all only better investment.

[shell hazel]

I don't think I can make a perfect b1 only comp with ros b1 bursting

does link dmg alone remove her conceal?

[swift mango]

no

[covert lintel]

soda 444
bay idk
nero 101010

[dim escarp]

SHEEESH nero

[placid bloom]

she creates decoy, so you can skip p1 and p2

[dim escarp]

okay tysm

[covert lintel]

without high invest nero, ig you will lose

[shell hazel]

so what would you build with rei?

[umbral belfry]

mini cindy

[swift mango]

Nero is fine 10104

her burst pretty much only icying on the cake

[dim escarp]

I have Moran invest, rn I focus bsoda and drake for both SR and CA, right after it's more important to go for nero or rosana ?

cuz I don't really have a strong b1 for shotgun team

[placid bloom]

Ros Rei Moran Emma Jackal

sounds like absolute trash

[swift mango]

Moran 7710 minimum before even Nero.

[dim escarp]

she is 7/7/7 atm

[swift mango]

Nero 1074 sr10 minimum

[dim escarp]

SR5, omw to upgrade to SR15

[shell hazel]

problem is need to include siren for the rng stun

and for some actual lethality

[swift mango]

Moran doesn't need sr15... but Rapu who need it.

[dim escarp]

alright thx boss, and gg for CA (I think I saw you won)

[placid bloom]

hmm probably kick Emma then, she's only triggering off rocket splash anyway since she's not getting shot at

[dim escarp]

oh really?

my rapu is still uninvested

[swift mango]

In that team Rapu survive
ing nuke is the key to win.

[unique wagon]

Only Nero needs skills.

[dim escarp]

alright alright

a lot of char to invest then

[swift mango]

Moron need to burst before 2rl wipe. So Need CS or HelmT and LapT.

[unique wagon]

Nero also needs min. 2.5 RL with CS

[primal charm]

wait what is delta bug

[covert lintel]

so healing up from burst doesn't need it

[primal charm]

i missed smth important?

[unique wagon]

3 RL Moran can always catch 2 RL wipe unless enemy has CS

[umbral belfry]

tryna get it on it i see you

[dim escarp]

going for my 17% with helmT (she's at 15 with cube) then I'll focus on this)

[swift mango]

it help but 0 dmg need no heal

[shell hazel]

so ros | rei | moran | siren | jackal

[placid bloom]

ye

[sudden leaf]

how to counter a (probably) 2RL siren+noah team?

[unique wagon]

The rule of thumb is 1 RL apart = enemy B1 can trigger, 0.5 RL apart = B2 can trigger, and of course CS changes things.

[shell hazel]

my rei is so basic I'll probably lose on cp 😄

[placid bloom]

kinda expected

[swift mango]

can't *

[unique wagon]

It's can

So many videos show that alr but Idk why calc says different

[shell hazel]

first experiment with the b1 squad
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/JILSutyUhY0

[kind palm]

I still refer to this

[covert lintel]

i'll need to lv10 tempering first before investing on nero

[swift mango]

need 0.7 rl apart to trigger b1 before b3. Need 0.3rl appart to trigger burst 2 before burst 3.

[kind palm]

usually the case of having higher than 0% min cs I think

[swift mango]

Kisenix no playing the game detected

[primal charm]

is sanis overrated, sea final she is not there

[swift mango]

because some noobs spread misinform video

[unique wagon]

No, it's like 75%+. B1 always catch

I think there is inaccuracy i mean due to CS

[shell hazel]

2nd experiment with the all b1 squad
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/dwVTb5l7DRc

[swift mango]

need at least 10% cs to even think about catching B3 2rl with 3rl b1.

[unique wagon]

Does it take account of RL travel time though

[unique wagon]

Keripo says B1 likely catches

[shell hazel]

3rd experiment with the all b1 squad
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/V7xcLg9YnNo

[swift mango]

because he has all rl at 17%+

[unique wagon]

Nah still the rule of thumb is to assume B1 catches

Doesnt change anything

We are not in 2024

[coarse lake]

Rule of thumb is to assume the worst

[kind palm]

but 2RL comp can have cs and be 1.7RL or something too so might not catch

[covert lintel]

why did you experimenting against noob squad

[shell hazel]

just testing, before i try a real comp (where I may die) 😄

[unique wagon]

CS is exponential. Higher RL benefits more.

[shell hazel]

at least 3rd squad out cp me by a bit

[unique wagon]

And be careful with CS-ing teams with ~100%

Because that doesn't work

You still have to wait for the auto attack of certain units

Unless you quantum them and gain more leeway

[coarse solstice]

Well now...

[placid bloom]

so much spreadsheet theory, just record their replay and check the frame count if you want guaranteed timing of their team it's the only guaranteed way

[unique wagon]

Wow (sarcasm)

[umbral belfry]

gemming in rookie is crazy 😭 and then to lose

[coarse solstice]

If he is testing that's one thing but this seems out of pocket

[unique wagon]

Rule of thumb is that thumb is used for fingerprint

[umbral belfry]

No, even if he's testing. He could wait a few days 😭

[coarse solstice]

That's fair oof

[unique mountain]

Ameowngus

[placid bloom]

could have had leftover coins from the previous compensation

but seem more like gemming for fun

[umbral belfry]

That's a long time to hold

[coarse solstice]

All good just rookie. Wish he'd reach out on discord then I could help him test if that's what's up

[placid bloom]

nah some people will just gem for no reason

[shell hazel]

cp deficit myself and lose this one
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/KcjOBVv5Fv4

out of tries for today, to be continued

[placid bloom]

I remember swinging into the rank 2 with the wrong team once and losing, and then he gemmed into me like 10 times or something and lost every time

[shell hazel]

rei cp is very low drags my avg down, anyone with a competent team can just cp gap me to death anyway 😛

but 3 wins vs similar cp teams even if not perfect examples, clearly won't beat an actual team but could be fun for some people to throw themselves at my b1 team :p

[placid bloom]

yeah you'd need to get your Moran and Jackal doll up quite a bit to compensate since you're not realistically building Rei

[unique wagon]

Ego exists blud

[shell hazel]

they're decent enough

[umbral crown]

Bro is cooking CA S4

[umbral crown]

Yes thats me

Also did you win

[shell hazel]

rapu and moran are my lowest there, jackal and ros cp isn't bad, clearly siren is highest

[placid bloom]

seem like there is a lot of people with metal name actually Silver and Steel are in my arena group

[coarse solstice]

It's silly, I'm bad at everything I start in the beginning. Only get better with others help. Gotta trust people and ask questions.

[shell hazel]

rei is 30k, rapu and moran 50k, jackal ros 68k, siren 85k

[placid bloom]

surely these are not alts

[umbral belfry]

They're gonna gem against you next

[coarse solstice]

They must be magnetized towards them....

[unique wagon]

https://tenor.com/view/the-powerpuff-girls-buttercup-nooooo-shouting-noo-gif-9873042782107159036

[coarse lake]

wow I really do get my own tier

[covert lintel]

how many ppl in sea? @swift mango

[placid bloom]

so many repeat champ already

[swift mango]

[signal hull]

Yeah we got same winner again in my group too. I don't get it. It's so luck-based, technically anyone can be kicked out even at 64, yet they win twice?

[shell hazel]

good comps and investments still help even with the RNG game

[swift mango]

We know 4 x 64 = 256

[unique wagon]

Whats a B1 staller

[shell hazel]

and if you got all the units then you can at least build better teams if you care to invest on it

[covert lintel]

why my rank even below that

[shell hazel]

it's all of the brackets not just the one you were in

[placid bloom]

it is luck based but if lazy people copy champ's team order and you play around that and have good pathing you can had a slight advantage.

[swift mango]

get you never got to top 32

1 time to top 64 best

[sly willow]

want to update my pvp team so get the crystals each reset, current nikkes i have.

also hello everyone too.

[swift mango]

256*4=1024 though. So lowest rank is well...

[sly willow]

hope you have a good day and can help me cause i still have no idea how long i last with random team till now that have been getting push back on ranking 💀

[covert lintel]

and that is not included if someone rank get stolen right?

[swift mango]

wdym

The AI opponents?

[covert lintel]

no, my bracket's ranked 4 has changed
so it's possible the rank will be more than 1024

[umbral crown]

My friendo Ely too op

[swift mango]

With this CA win my HelmT team basically undefeated.... I was thinking to switch out that team but now maybe I should keep it for one more season... As thank for it winning me the champ...

[umbral crown]

[shell hazel]

not seen them in my brackets yet though we're similar commander levels so maybe soon

[swift mango]

Elysia the best pink girl in all of gacha.

[tropic summit]

RIP

[swift mango]

The pink jesus.

[shell hazel]

yup then they lost 😛

your prediction was off it seems!

[umbral crown]

Show me your winner frame

[swift mango]

I wished the frame was this pic instead.

[umbral crown]

Si

[tropic summit]

now Blood can retire in peace

his legacy will live in forevah

[umbral crown]

Did blood even win?

[tropic summit]

[umbral crown]

He still avoiding the question

[tropic summit]

[umbral crown]

Its a yes or no

[swift mango]

My phone is still charging.

[umbral crown]

Log in pc then

[umbral crown]

10 mins here still

[tropic summit]

@umbral crown a non chinese won this time our bracket?

[umbral crown]

Waos

He avenged us

[swift mango]

Merry also win his first CA... In the first time he got to top 8 too...

[tropic summit]

i had no doubt he'd win at some point

[tropic summit]

effort was rewarded

hell if you look at his investiment...

[swift mango]

My 400 rock in Scarlet is real hell.

People should have get much better Scarlet with that much rock.

[tropic summit]

think my scarlet ate at worst 40-50 rocks

my cindy on 80+ rocks instead not a single useful blue line

[swift mango]

I could have gotten all my units 17% already.

[tropic summit]

RNG is garbage, just like the entire OL system

[swift mango]

f bias game

people must be looking at my Roster and said, "hey this guy has zero investment on his scarlet, just look at his CP... Probably not 7710 moran, 101010 noise, 71010 Rossana too... I mena, just looks at his cp."

[tropic summit]

time to reroll

[covert lintel]

which stat did you want

[swift mango]

4 crit and some Crit dmg/Atk.

[onyx scaffold]

Show me his profile

[swift mango]

@umbral crown

My Noah has high Enough CS to not stun now.

Thanks my Gemmer guy for making this team for me to test Siren....

[kind palm]

what's your team min cs for that now?

would be a good breakpoint to remember

[swift mango]

11% on Noah

23% on Emi

18% on Helm

So it come down to 11% on Noah.

[kind palm]

so it really is around 10% break point for many things

soda stun is at 10% cs too(but mine around 12) to stun B1 of normal 2RL comp

your noah 3 cs lines right?

[swift mango]

2

[swift mango]

My Emi can retire in peace. She beat a bug abuser. And an ASS this season... Not the intended SBS or Siren but I'm sastified.

[modest summit]

I have 1 R doll for RL.

Should I give it to Rumani, Biscuit or Rapunzel ?

Jackal and Noah at sr 5

[swift mango]

Probably biscuit if you wanted CP pad. Rapunzel if you wanted to build Nero stall

[modest summit]

hmm, well i dont even have nero

[coarse lake]

biscuit, so she doesn't just die to splash

[scenic hatch]

being top 50 in solo raid while having CA champion frame

[onyx scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/yugioh-should-been-gif-23901254

[swift mango]

You don't need investment to win CA, just luck is enough. Only unlucky guys like me need investment

[coarse lake]

investments and team comps only increase your chances

[swift mango]

And if you are lucky you could get 23% CS in 17 rocks as well.

[coarse lake]

you can run 3 good teams then 2 r nikke filler and win champ

[swift mango]

So barely investment lucky beat any amount of investment from an unlucky guy

[coarse lake]

or you can hyper invest all 5 teams and get top 64

[worthy sorrel]

https://tenor.com/view/arms-crossed-flex-muscles-gif-14905270

pies together. gg ura

[swift mango]

You don't need much investment for 5 good team. Whale could buy books. Rock just use default line. CS? If you are lucky you could get 23% in 17 rocks

[scenic hatch]

Idt it’s true at least not for day1 player as mostly whales there but anyway I won’t argue

[coarse lake]

there are several matchups for common teams that go from win to lose depending on invest

and then there's also mirrors

so fights where invest matter do come up fairly often

[swift mango]

You just need to be lucky to avoid that

Easy

[coarse lake]

well ofc

if base win rate for a team is 30%, high invest prob gets you to like 50-60%, but ain't getting you to close to 100%

biggest problem with invest, is it actually costs something

luck and team comps cost almost nothing for your account really (I suppose pulling the units)

[swift mango]

There is no such thing as getting double the win rate thanks to high investment.

The whale could easily get his core 7 scarlet to 101010 and done. And he would be 10000% better than someone pouring 400 rocks on her for nothing.

CS is the only thing matter here but only for 3rl teams. That could increase the win rate to double to certain team sure but not every team.

[coarse lake]

well. depends on the comp and what lvl you set the base at, but yeah those are just numbers I pulled out of my ass

technically a 7/4/7 trina scar without b1 buff with 0-1 atk ol has a very low win rate compared to proper invest for example

[placid bloom]

4 Atk 4 ele on every SG makes a diff

[swift mango]

The guy in the picture is whale, he could easily 101010 his scarlet

[placid bloom]

until you run into the 1/5 Biscuit

[swift mango]

Rock doesn't matter much even if he couldn't buy them much.

Just don't minmax lines for arena. They could still win by hard count, sheer core and such.

Doll, just sr0

[coarse lake]

return on investment for minmax invest for champ is deep into negatives

building good comps and getting lucky always has minimum net 0 return on investment

assuming you can even count ca frames as "returns", but you kinda have to or else it's technically all waste of mats

[onyx scaffold]

i think u are right about the investment but rng still plays big role here

[oblique ridge]

I failed only 1 cheer. So close

[desert yoke]

Sir yes sir Oorah

[swift mango]

The only team in CA that seriously need investment on CS and doll is Nero team. Just don't use that shit and problem solved.

[coarse lake]

hyperinvest yeah

[onyx scaffold]

I don't let other people give me bad advice for cheering.
being a man, i ruin my cheer myself

[coarse lake]

others still need usable invest, but past that it's whatever really

I sucked at cheering for random teams in s1 where I didn't make it past league

[oblique ridge]

Funny thing is, I turned off my brain and went with the masses after the 1 fail cheer. The masses got them all right This time

[coarse lake]

best part of still being in it, the cheers get quite easy

since you know your own invests

[swift mango]

Delta will win you games and need zero investment.

[onyx scaffold]

imagine cheering SG vs SG

[swift mango]

Noah and Blanc as well

That's already 3 teams

[coarse lake]

I gave up on those completely

sg mirror is the worst

[swift mango]

Rossana work just fine with just skill investment

[oblique ridge]

Imagine facing a cheer where it’s 5 mirror matches

The horror

[onyx scaffold]

then at least we can cope with dolls

[coarse lake]

I had a match where it was both sides using basically exact same teams, moran sanis vs moran sanis, cindy vs soda scar, soda scar vs cindy, sg vs blanc sbs, blanc sbs vs sg

[covert lintel]

which is the winner?

[onyx scaffold]

i dont think they can all have same dolls

[coarse lake]

I did win 4-1 due to invest, which I did actually predict

[onyx scaffold]

right won cuz left's rosanna didn't nuke shit. she left target almost 1hp

[swift mango]

It's often looking Rossana CP to determine.... The def guy could easily touch XAnne more than the ATK guy...

[covert lintel]

that mean my prediction hit the mark that defender would win

[swift mango]

I had seen similar match as well but there were 2 clear wins thanks to suite differences...

[onyx scaffold]

i think someone told me this

[coarse lake]

my sanis mirror was a slaughter due to invest, biggest diff

[onyx scaffold]

but this is the result. well i got 6h credits anyway

[swift mango]

Try to be luckier and not getting mirror match.

[coarse lake]

although me being defending did help there too, but the sanis was dying anyway

I actually like mirror matchs for most of my comps rather those than hard counters

my soda scar wins vs any non-rosa scar team

my cindy should beat any mirror cindies

[swift mango]

Try to be luckier and not get countered

[coarse lake]

[swift mango]

Try to be even luckier and win against hard counter.

Like my HelmT won against Noah+Biscuit this season. Oh well, that's thanks to my Moran s3lv10 actually ...

But still lucky my enemy has CS and not strong enough.

If he had zero CS, my Bay cover would gone by the time Cindy burst likely and I would have stopped at top 16.

Rare case of more investment made you lose.

[onyx scaffold]

i need my viper to have more atk than my s,anis but it is impossible

[swift mango]

[oblique ridge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/435687797626634241/1280641631527112846/dorocook.gif?ex=682857b6&is=68270636&hm=c6f3f0a69502c314f1df2aed437b8a3a0bbcb76add4f1e44c76826a8e949e572&

[unique mountain]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1332018768511107083/1372893926536642560/RDT_20250516_1300591231412825804756993.gif?ex=68286e9b&is=68271d1b&hm=73f64f8ea36b4698cfe0857c3afc4063cc5fdaf58e7b591c0b4009b33b11d51a&

[sleek root]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1273933998762229845/1319775434597994586/doro-cakeVo2.gif

[modest summit]

is trina used at all if i dont have scarlet?

[unique mountain]

I haven't seen that

She is a good bgen so should be possible

[placid bloom]

yes

[modest summit]

how would i use her or where would i put her?

[placid bloom]

any team that is lacking burst gen to reach 2RL speed can use her.

her burst is not the best but it's passable if you are using Cindy nuke

and you're not using a B2 defensive option like Noah or Blanc

[modest summit]

interesting, now i dont know who to give my 1 R doll to: trina, biscuit, centi or rapunzel

[onyx scaffold]

i will tell you this: it doesn't fkin matter. the result is still the same no matter who you give the doll to

[modest summit]

lmao fair

would i give purple dolls to pvp units that arent dps and have no R doll? like SR 0?

[onyx scaffold]

it helps short-term. harm long-term

[modest summit]

thank you.

my noah P1 is getting countered by siren teams i guess stunning her, what´s the counter to that?

[signal hull]

Put her in some other slot, but make sure it's neither your main dps nor your only B1 in leftmost slot.

Also ofc keep the order in mind, she still must be first B2 in line... I usually have 2x B1's with my Noah. They're less important.

[modest summit]

hmm, maybe a rapunzel would be nice?

[signal hull]

Idk, maybe. B1/Noah/main B3 (Scar, Cindy)/B1/B(whatever).

[sleek imp]

guys im playing like 300 gems on average everyday for SP

Is this unhealthy? im just tryna to set my sp points high since im a lil behind w my bracket

[modest summit]

what do you mean, you´re spending 100 gems for extra turns? dont do that

[signal hull]

Even at my worst days when I had to struggle for high spot I spend 300 gems a day maybe only once or twice in entire history with this game. So yeah, 300 per day is... A lot. What's even a point?

[tropic summit]

looks like even a f2p (low spender since that skin)

real hero

[umbral belfry]

everyday I'm thankful for being in chill sp brackets free from gemmers

[onyx scaffold]

look at the dupe amount

[tropic summit]

nah a whale/dolphin would've far more cores no?

[onyx scaffold]

yeah im f2p by your standard

[tropic summit]

eh wow

guess i'm just used too much to whale/leviathans at this point

[lone sequoia]

full max core units=whale, c4 and above (depending in creation date of the account) dolphin

[midnight marsh]

Yeah I guess I’ve bought all the $20 packs and sometimes $55. The player who I faced is in my same SP and is much higher sync than me. We both don’t have scarlet haha. Obviously everybody else does And most people in this CA bracket have Emilia it seems but I started after Emilia banner

[bitter trout]

How to beat this????????

[lone sequoia]

weak team, just tank or nuke faster

[bitter trout]

I been trying that

Can someone give me team recs???

[midnight marsh]

I’ve had historically pretty poor luck with rolls though

But yeah I do buy the skins

[hushed kelp]

Did siren get nerfed in rookie arena, stun seems to be coming in super late?

[tropic summit]

jackal scarlet trina helmt flex
or
noise noah helmt rh centi

[ionic rose]

U think rapunzel, double anis, moran and biscuit would work?

[bitter trout]

Ya that works now

[oak gale]

fellas a random question
is it normal to despise someone just because they forcefully shove themselves in your face in pvp 💀

[tropic summit]

i imagine you mean this?

might work depending on s.anis invest and enemy core invest

[oak gale]

like my man u gave up on 3v3 and suddenly ur in 1v1 and like what??? 💀

[tropic summit]

blame it on the system itself, a mode that allows:

-abuse money for extra tries
-ratting
-attacking at any time, 24/7

could only allow toxicity at its finest

the secret is to ignore rookie (get ur 5 daily wins) and use ur 2 tries strategically in SParena then play an actual game

[oak gale]

its not even hat , its like he is annoyed he cant take 3v3 , so he suddenly bombards my 1v1 with this team

[oak gale]

i mean rookie arena is kinda meh , considering that it doesnt give gems it only gives those tokens that i have 100k+ of

[rapid nacelle]

hit the wall at diamond 1 in SP arena. Can anyone help me refine my teams?

[worthy knoll]

More like that is how she was supposed to work. She was super fast before in rookie due to the Mfra option on affecting it. They fixed it

[oak gale]

so i beat em with this team , did i think good? 💀 @tropic summit

[shell hazel]

does she still stun b2 in p1 before they can burst?

[signal hull]

I don't get it. So she can stun in SpA and CA, but in Rookie she's "too fast"?...

[worthy knoll]

Yes as long its exactly 2 RL or more

[oak gale]

the sp difference

[tropic summit]

considering your invest, go for these

trina naga cind helm rh
noir alice blanc drake jackal
folk biscuit siren sbs rouge

quantum on jackal, drake
vigor on blanc, biscuit, rouge
temperance on trina, folkwang
rest can run any high lvl cube

wishlist scarlet
build/wishlist rumani, noah, noise, rapunzel

[oak gale]

he doesnt have jackal i think

[rapid nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/jafar-disney-genie-jaw-drop-aladin-gif-5717233

[worthy knoll]

As for 2.5 RL using a unit kicker with CS, aside from a very high CS HelmT or Emilia, she will even stun P1 B1 before they can burst

[shell hazel]

makes sense as the burst is slower

[rapid nacelle]

aye, no jackal

[lone sequoia]

i'm not that guy and i don't know if he do the same thing as me, but i use the first week in every rookie season to test comps without reducing the points of my opponents, i normally hit only 1time the same person no more than 2 days in a row, but during these first week test i hit x5 against the same teams, so rookie is just a test field

[tropic summit]

yeah you're right

@rapid nacelle

reviewed list, cubes are the same logic as previous post

(throw anis in synchro until you've gained more batteries)

trina anchor:IM cindy rouge anis
blanc rh biscuit helmt drake
alice sbs siren centi noir

if anis tanks CP too much in T1, replace her with centi

then she can go in centi's place instead

[oak gale]

no i was always num 1 in the arena
and me and him always fought in 3v3 and so on and like 2 days ago i claimed num 1 , we still trade rarely but its me and him only again
and if this wasnt enough he is also after my 1v1 💀 like cmon-

situation in 3v3

[shell hazel]

it's just rookie doesn't really matter

[oak gale]

its now a matter of honor

[tropic summit]

you're not supposed to succesfully defend on rookie, because if you do it's just the attacker doing something wrong

hell you're not supposed to win def even in SParena on equal invest

[lone sequoia]

you can check the time of his hits, x5 before reset=points , x5 after reset and he will probably login again=test, but if he is in 1st place and only attack 2nd place that is obviously for points

[tropic summit]

because it's all attacker mistakes

[rapid nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/the-studio-taking-notes-paying-attention-interested-gif-17315574

[oak gale]

idk i did have some ppl like 4 ppl who were only able to take me on both 3v3 and 1v1 but they mostly gave up , naizi and zaith and these 2 , i didnt rlly have trouble in 1v1 that i even almost forgot about it i just do it bc i dont wanna leave smthn behind , 💀 so for me its somewhat unheard of

nvm they still are 💀 im blessed with global and aint gonna complain lol

[tropic summit]

the usual is losing def and winning atk, the def wins consider them as temporary, unless your opponents do not actively seek to improve themselves

there's not a single def that cannot be broken with a counter

[oak gale]

here ya go 💀

[tropic summit]

unless ofc you're whale/leviathan, then CP padding will do the job for you by preventing attempts alltogether

t-1ts

the irony for that censor considering the game

[oak gale]

maybe, most of the whales on my server did quit tho , i remember someone who was doing the pilgrim tower but gave up and others but ye

i did build sbs 10/10/10 , how does she look like in pvp?

[oak gale]

i didnt even see that

[lone sequoia]

i hate my new rookie group, low or high cp, nothing in range with a decent team to test synergies

[oak gale]

does it change?

[shell hazel]

I'm doing tribe tower so I can get these and get Drake treasure

[lone sequoia]

we got a reshuffle this season, the next one should be after 3 months, for sp the bracket should change next season

[oak gale]

looks like its the day that i get surprised by everything 💀 time for me to do the main tribal tower and the hard mode ig

[oak gale]

so my theory that i see ppl popping out of nowhere is correct? 💀

[shell hazel]

you're slacking considering we're the same sync 😛

[lone sequoia]

you can always check "system notice"

[oak gale]

we are?

[shell hazel]

we are the same sync

[oak gale]

if i can read 💀

[oak gale]

trust me man we arent 💀

[shell hazel]

we are the same sync, 296/297

I got 297 like 5 mins ago 😛

[oak gale]

ye about that
*i dont have redhood or crown 💀 *

[shell hazel]

red hood feels less necessary now, crown though...

[oak gale]

lemme show u my team

[shell hazel]

should be doable still

[oak gale]

to be fair i dont think i tried to do the tower in like a weeks time so we will see if i can bypass em

[shell hazel]

hard mode into chapter 20 maybe as well with that tbh

[oak gale]

hard mode i dont remember why i got stuck , i think bc there were 3 healer things that were outhealing my dmg to the sniffer thing , what am i even saying

funny enough i think 4x3l is on the server 💀

[umbral belfry]

@jagged mesa @wet crystal what the heck is going on in our bracket 😭 challenger 3-7 changes daily

[shell hazel]

sniffer thing haha

https://tenor.com/view/doitfartdoitstankdoitsquirt-do-it-fart-stank-gif-8316259521989127806

[oak gale]

u see what i mean? 💀

[shell hazel]

I see you there Hime!

[oak gale]

hime , the fella that i associate with helm

[shell hazel]

kill the healy things first, at least 1-2 of them

[umbral belfry]

[wet crystal]

and now?

[umbral belfry]

hello from my lunch break

[umbral belfry]

there's a new challenger 3 rn 😭

[wet crystal]

oh osprey

[umbral belfry]

he said 'lemme get a piece of this'

[shell hazel]

you need hit count for the healy things, consider taking something with more firepower than cindy for shots fired

[wet crystal]

osprey in my rookie

[umbral belfry]

[shell hazel]

wait Rapi doko?

[umbral belfry]

also you succeeded in your cheers

[crystal flicker]

So, any of you winning CA Beta S3?

[oak gale]

i have rapi redhood ye 10/10/10

[umbral belfry]

idk if I wanna go for the winning frame

[wet crystal]

I hit my CA retirement goal

[shell hazel]

why she not in team? 😮 - get that CP up!

https://tenor.com/view/rookie-numbers-gif-26135237

[wet crystal]

now that I have both the gamba frames, I like em both

[shell hazel]

does she not at least beat liter for CP yet?

rapi or siren are the best b1's generally

[umbral belfry]

Not until you win CA you're not

[oak gale]

only difference between her and higher cp is that they have 5 5 5 5 ol gear , mine is 0 0 0 0 ol gear
only sanis , quency , cinderella , helm have 5 ol gears

[shell hazel]

ah I'd def run rapi on team somewhere if she's strong enough

she's probably the best/most versatile dps unit atm

[umbral belfry]

it's gonna be tetra boots to finish OL rosa

[shell hazel]

I like Cindy and such but rapi is more effective outside of bosses, and similar on them

[oak gale]

idk , i didnt find much success with her rn
especially considering that im trying to finish the enemy before it gets healed type thing

[umbral belfry]

[coarse lake]

rapipi is the best overall pve dps yes

[shell hazel]

I swapped out liter for her and didn't look back, though I think siren can do that now and Rapi can b3 instead

so I siren b1 and rapi b3 atm

[coarse lake]

rapipi burst snipe chunks priority targets real hard

make sure the min fire setting is turned on

[shell hazel]

with siren you also get good burst gen with rapi due to mg

[oak gale]

she is good if u want more dmg from b1 , but liter does seem like a better option in general , same with siren siren is good in some cases but not overpowering liter

[coarse lake]

most of siren's value in 1 team content is so that she can elevate rapipi to her better role

[shell hazel]

I was stuck on stages with liter that adding rapi let me pass with ease

rapi personal damage is so high vs liter that it really helps a ton

[placid bloom]

I was stuck on stage with Rapi that Siren let me pass with ease

drop CP drop Atk no problemo

[shell hazel]

i'd say liter is like 3rd best b1 atm

if your siren is good add her as b1

[coarse lake]

there are fire-weak fights where my b1 rapipi does same dmg as my other 2 neutral dps

[shell hazel]

if not then rapi instead for now

and that stage you just got stuck at may be possible 🙂

[oak gale]

ill try her then

[placid bloom]

that one is the triple glasses + high def dude stage if I remember

it should be really easy with Siren B1 Rapi B3

[oak gale]

like this right?

[shell hazel]

yes

rapi maybe priority b3 over qeq

but doesn't matter that much

[coarse lake]

no crown I assume

[shell hazel]

your cp looks good still, try out that stage but kill the healy boys

[oak gale]

need qeq for the aoe first

[placid bloom]

if you have someone better to CP pad than Helm then maybe you can swap, Idk how valuable she is as flex without Crown

[coarse lake]

if trying to kill glasses first, control siren

[placid bloom]

but I guess your burst gen kinda bad without her

[coarse lake]

so you can get your guys to shoot glasses during off-burst to whittle down hitcount

[shell hazel]

yeah helm great burst gen and if manual you can b3 her for super heal on farters

[coarse lake]

if your blanc is high enough cp to be used, just use blanc and then the glasses suddenly can be damaged regularly , gonna have to fit in a noir/rouge tho

[placid bloom]

this stage should just be trash mob + glasses + barbell or w/e it's called so just need more damage

[wet crystal]

still got 5 days till next season

[oak gale]

wellshi- 💀 bro who invented these things

like i dont think i can even break them apart before the time runs out , they appear at the last 40 seconds
and i cant spare a burst for modernia maybe to use her ult and break them down still bc enemies on the screen still exist

i have a bold idea

[umbral belfry]

@wet crystal ah ah ah

[wet crystal]

[umbral belfry]

also what's that t2 😭

[wet crystal]

literally just a cp pad

[umbral belfry]

I skipped t1 and went t2 and t3

[wet crystal]

I can throw in rpp and just bump it up to 400k

[umbral belfry]

that won't work against me I fear but what matters is that you beat me nonetheless

well done

now to try my old cp ish team, I think you can beat that too though

[wet crystal]

now you see how t3 was being 50/50 before?

rng arena lol

[umbral belfry]

was it a misindom on my side or yours?

[wet crystal]

my losses from misindom

getting lap indo instead of sbs

[umbral belfry]

ahhh

hmmm

I guess you can either put jackal on that team instead?

[shell hazel]

[oak gale]

bad idea 💀 @shell hazel

[placid bloom]

Quency is just no good at this CP tbh

you should be using Rapi B3

[wet crystal]

would def work better, same setup as my rookie, I just forget to empty out 1 atk team so I have more ingredients

[placid bloom]

unless you're the Quency main

[wet crystal]

hate that stage, volleys + tons of hydra, absolute cancer

[oak gale]

you bet i am

[oak gale]

i just hate the healers man , if i can destory them it wouldnt be an issue but i cant-

like im seriously considering lvling up modernia's burst

[coarse lake]

that won't matter

[placid bloom]

nah it won't work

because Siren give no Atk and Grave give no Atk so Modernia gonna do tickle damage

she can't swing over enemy def

[coarse lake]

do you have a built electric dps

[wet crystal]

I remember getting stuck a long time, by the end part with the boss, I took down either 1 or 2 of the floating healers then focused the boss

[coarse lake]

they have hitcount shield, mod dmg doesn't matter

[wet crystal]

also took out the smaller healers quick as possible and switched back to boss

[coarse lake]

you either kill some/all of them with dmg taken or breaking hitcount manually, or you just focus fire down boss faster than they can heal

[placid bloom]

Idk, I just killed all 3 glasses and then killed the boss

[umbral belfry]

whatcha mean?

[wet crystal]

it was 1 sec remain clear

[placid bloom]

just ignore the small mob tbh

[oak gale]

i do have sanis and i have scarlet , only issue is scarlet is too slow and i dont have healers , and sanis is not reliable in campaign at least for me
i do have liter

[placid bloom]

focus the glasses, Siren DoT will kill the small mobs

I can kill all 3 of the glasses and still have time to shoot the boss after

[coarse lake]

do you need helmt there

[wet crystal]

I run the sbs blanc jack in rookie, I forget I can just focus on 2 teams on attack in sp but leave my def copy team in attack

[oak gale]

for burst regen ye

[coarse lake]

if killing glasses, you want units with as high fire rate as possible

[wet crystal]

that's T225 right?

that hell hole

[placid bloom]

279

[wet crystal]

oh no... it's back? oh man

[placid bloom]

225 was base defense with 7 farter

you are thinking of wrong stage

[wet crystal]

ohhh, but 279 looks like a repeat of some stage

[umbral belfry]

OHHH ngl I already forgot your def sp team 😭 but yeah focusing on just 2 teams for attack helps a lot. when attacking though (say you attacked someone else instead of me), it's depending entirely on that team set up

[placid bloom]

it's a harder version of an earlier triple glasses stage

[wet crystal]

the boss phase has like 4-5 hydras?

[placid bloom]

that one didn't have an extra target to kill, just 3 glasses

[wet crystal]

fun

[placid bloom]

249 I think, triple glasses and trash mob

[shell hazel]

I just cleared 319 and recorded it, triple glasses, i'll upload

I took RH out but I do have crown in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BVK_wahaco

[wet crystal]

that looks like a 20%+ deficit... is that 25 ish? jeez

[shell hazel]

most normal stages I can do to 30-35% deficit but after that it becomes a bit silly

and I get walled at some chapters or bosses

[wet crystal]

genuinely, how do you not melt? is it just reaction/reflex speed needed to survive those deficits?

[shell hazel]

lol no I'm old and slow 😄

[placid bloom]

depends

[shell hazel]

crown helps some espcially higher up

her shield means you can survive better than say grave

[umbral belfry]

@wet crystal just realized you made not reach 100 days of def dammit boy I was so close

[placid bloom]

there's actually not a lot of stages recently that have pre-charging mobs, so you just need to have good target priority

[umbral belfry]

All in good fun though

[oak gale]

the issue is that you cant reliably kill outside of burst bc the stage is full of healers , and even then the cp isnt by your side
quency is my best dps and screenwipe , considering that scarlet kills herself slowly shes also unreliable because i dont have healers too

[umbral belfry]

now I gotta start over

[wet crystal]

c-c-c-combo breaker

[umbral belfry]

[placid bloom]

and Siren has made a lot of stages easier overall

[coarse lake]

you don't kill mobs outside of burst

you control siren and hit the healers to whittle down the hitcount

[shell hazel]

try my comp except quency instead of cindy

[placid bloom]

you can auto easier stages at 30-35% deficit with Siren and Rapi B3

[coarse lake]

once the hitcount shields are gone the healers melt really fast

[shell hazel]

you do need to clear some mobs or you die but otherwise focus the glasses down

[oak gale]

ye but you dont have enough time to whittle down 4 healers in the span of a minute , the first minute already passes while you take down the first healer and the other mini objective , so imagine dealing with 3 of them and try to bring down their shields while the main objective is able to oneshot and all the mini raptures are also able to oneshot too

by the time the 3 healers and the main objective appears there is already 40 seconds remaining

and i can in theory hit them down using modernia's ult , but then u have the main objective still

[shell hazel]

you should be focus firing the 1st glasses after first burst

if you watch what I did, it's dead fairly quick when it's alone, then you got more time to kill the other healers as they show up sooner

[coarse lake]

if you're really out of time, leave 1-2 healers alone then focus on the boss

[shell hazel]

yeah 1 or 2 may work

[oak gale]

i can break the 3 at the same time with modernia because they are stacked on top of each other
and to kill them i do with quency
but there is no time to do so
the healers appear 3 at once with the main objective

@shell hazel dammit

[placid bloom]

You can’t be using Mod, you have to use Rapi. You don’t have enough Atk to use Mod at this deficit.

You won’t have enough damage to kill barbell without Rapi even if you can take out all 3 glasses

[oak gale]

i tried using rapi , but the issue comes with the fact that you can still only focus on one , so even if u try killing one of the healers lets say , the other two are alive and it slows u down enough that u cant kill the main objective
my only choice rn is as i said , level up to maybe 300 and overpower with quency and take the main objective out regardless of the heal , thats what i already do with othertowers and campaign , whic his why im stuck in hard mode too

because qency also attacks fast enough that i dont normally need a machine gun , but if i need to its not worth it compared to going without it , at most it will save me around 5-6 seconds if the main objective was the healer , but since the healer is just a sub objective , then its a waste of time to get another machinegun , instead i should focus on the main objective directly

[shell hazel]

rapi still the best b3 though, worth taking along if you get her stronger

[placid bloom]

That doesn’t really work for barbell because it takes too long to kill and glasses actually heals for a lot

If it was a different target you can ignore them

[shell hazel]

the stage is a hit count stage so yeah I think brute force on level does less for you here

[oak gale]

i cant be using sanis or scarlet , cinderella's burst is useless because it will target the healers , rapi redhood is decent but not enough to overpower through , and outside of hit cont stages , cinderella is almost a better choice or helm treasured because my issue normally isnt damage , its always either the healers or the oneshot raptures , i have an idea ill try after i finish the dailies but with all the option its always quency that will stay bc she attacks fast enough and is my main source of dmg , to the point thats how my missilis tower looks like 💀

on floor 232 rn

[shell hazel]

yeah you can keep quency in just stuff like cindy doesn't really help you on the stage vs a good rapi

quency attacks quick so lots of shots