pvp-arena

[rich quail]

If so

then I also want to imagine being coldstar

[copper creek]

im cockstar

[shell hazel]

this looks right for my next match? I'm def/bottom

so far the crowd is not in my favour but they were wrong before 😄

other guy has a fancy frame and they're all over it, personally I prefer to go stealth and make 80% of people lose their bets 😛

posted my last matches if anyone cares to 🍿
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M80LHsxh9l8

for the indom match I said this and it turned out to be true lol

[coarse solstice]

Thoughts on this? I'm attacking. On bottom

[jagged mesa]

literally me hime folian are same SPA group

and kuwon is the person who kicked my ass two CAs in a row

so true...

but the point is that kuwon matched with me in top 64 first two CAs in a row

[shell hazel]

I think you're winning this, opponent t1 is cope 4RL lol

[jagged mesa]

i got all the units i want on the account i didnt want it on, so i get to have some fun at least

[placid bloom]

your round 4 Noah has no protection, possible that she gets 1 volleyed by Drake and then Rapu gets 1 volleyed while Noise stunned by Siren. Check their previous match damage.

[shell hazel]

even with feed not sure that will reach 3RL, it's a big maybe, but they probably dead by then

[jagged mesa]

it's either my desired account rolls noah rumani jackal, or my undesired account rolls crown

either one will take over as my main

[shell hazel]

possible but I just need to burst, my noah is pretty tanky

[placid bloom]

3RL is a long time though, that's min 5 SG volleys and you lose burst gen when Noah dies so it's actually slower than 3RL

this one definitely needs to check their damage from prev fights

if Rapu dies and Noise is stunned you don't burst

[shell hazel]

could go that way indeed

hard to say opponent team died pretty quick, it's a sort of invested SG team they have there

[oblique ridge]

My top 8 is unrecognizable New champion incoming

[placid bloom]

check logs to see how much HP the chars that die have if they are dying in 1 volley, you can estimate their volley damage and then check your Noah log from previous fights to estimate her HP

won't be 100% accurate but you can get a feel

[shell hazel]

can you see it here?

[placid bloom]

2.8m HP on Lap? How long it takes to die? 2 volleys?

need video too

[shell hazel]

she died pretty early

let me get one quick

[placid bloom]

need to count shots fired

only way to assess

[solid flare]

how do i break this?

[shell hazel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyuzqYzoRuc

[covert lintel]

you win 3
can lose if your sbs failed to kill his team

[placid bloom]

3 volleys to kill Lap, so 1.5RL roughly.

[shell hazel]

looks like 2-3 blasts for dead lap

[placid bloom]

also 3 volley for Centi

[shell hazel]

they're attacking so so they'll gun for noah then rapu

[placid bloom]

if it's 3 volleys on Noah your Noah only gets 1 rocket off before dying

then Rapu eats 3 volleys by 3RL but you're not 3RL

you're slower cuz Noah already died

and Noise stunned at 2.5RL

seem unlikely to win unless Noah can tank 4 volleys

[shell hazel]

my noah died here, but rapu heal/maybe res?

[placid bloom]

oh easier way actually

go to blablalink, raise Noah to lv400 and check HP

[shell hazel]

she got temperance on so cope she can survive a bit longer 😄

SR-5 at least, core 1 or 2 I think

[placid bloom]

but yeah if you die on 3rd volley probably lose, even if die on 4th volley it's gonna be really close

[placid bloom]

so around 500k more than Lap

[shell hazel]

plus temperance adds a bit

of dmg resist I think

I think she can survive 4 volleys

[placid bloom]

I think Lap takes around 40% per volley, so let's say 2.8m x .4 = ~1.1m per volley

Lap also SR doll?

[shell hazel]

their Lap was treasured I think so yep

doubt running temperance though

gotta cope on something eh 😄

[placid bloom]

12% dmg reduc at SR5 compared to 17% at SR15

how much was dmg reduc was cube again

8%?

you might just barely make it

[shell hazel]

similar

temperance 5

rapu could get to 30% and stun em all 😄

[placid bloom]

3.3m HP to 1.05m per volley

[shell hazel]

that would be a hilarious way to win

rapu does heal a bit though right? so noah will theoretically get healed a bit here

[placid bloom]

Noise also diverts BSoda damage

[shell hazel]

not like millions of hp instantly but it will bulk her damage up some

and think noise boosts unit hp as well in battle?

[placid bloom]

only on burst

she boosts her own max HP with full charge shot

and gives dmg taken at 20 hits taken but she doesn't taunt until 1RL

so it's probably too late

[shell hazel]

yeah alright, so cope on noah SR-5 + temp and a bit of rapu healing to live long enough for cindy to burst

[placid bloom]

the main thing still is how much burst gen you lose when Noah dies, since you are overcapped a little at 116% at 3RL

you might be able to afford losing a little

[shell hazel]

I do have the opposite match up sort of as well for t3, my SG team def against their similar cindy

[placid bloom]

yeah you're just unlucky you got defender side I think

Anis probably dies before she even shoots 1 rocket but Ros makes up for it

that's the main diff I guess

wait no I'm trolling

if Anis dies without firing a single shot they drop to 4RL

[shell hazel]

she is incredibly dead

[placid bloom]

then Noah/Noise taunt so you split fire between Centi and those

but you're still bursting faster than them

so that match should be winnable

[shell hazel]

I think it will be close

their team 3 and mine

[placid bloom]

they are kinda tanky

[shell hazel]

their team 4 and mine

[placid bloom]

but if Noise taunt makes her take more damage

[shell hazel]

yeah my drake not treasured yet (5 more bond levels to go)

[placid bloom]

and then Ros finishes her off at B1

they have no B1 so they can't burst

Idk how strong your Ros is though

[shell hazel]

yeah I did succeed against something similar earlier

she's not awful but could be better - I only just raised her skills and stuff a bit

[placid bloom]

I think you have a decent chance to win that round though, 4RL is a lot of SG volleys they have to tank

[shell hazel]

their anis is super low invest it's instant death that is probably 1 volley

[crystal flicker]

ScarBS Blanc RH Anis Jackal
Noah Centi Cindy HelmT Noise
Auto
Get HelmT and you're good, though this comps need investment to avoid cp pad

[shell hazel]

think my noise/noah are tankyish at least

[placid bloom]

I'd say overall in your favor even if round 4 loses

[shell hazel]

we'll find out tomorrow

[crystal flicker]

Ahh I failed again at top 16

such bs

[shell hazel]

then I face zant in the last 4 if I make it

[grand plaza]

I need some cooking help for SPA

This is my cooking

[shell hazel]

alice is too slow in t2 certainly

[grand plaza]

She is there to buff CP and SBS

[shell hazel]

no drunk scarlet?

[placid bloom]

I think you just make 2 strong team and CP pad the third, you are kinda wasting your HelmT

no point wasting a good burst gen on a team that's gonna lose

[shell hazel]

surely SR anis tanks your cp?

[crystal flicker]

Scarlet instant to 5 so Bisc Invuln can't cast
Stun > XMaiden kill the team
Too Slow
Rosa Fail to Nuke BSoda
HelmT against Noah's Immune, Moran Nero survives the Nuke but lack dmg

I need Clip RL

[grand plaza]

Nope

[placid bloom]

just do these 2 and 1 CP pad, they will have to divert some resource to beat the CP pad team so if you're lucky they can't beat these

if they crack it then they were gonna crack your 3 half cook team anyway

[shell hazel]

I like it

[grand plaza]

I know you ppl don't like QeQ but she is the one carrying me so far :D

Thats my current teams, I dropped SBS, RH etc all past 2 weeks

[shell hazel]

you can run QEQ in your cp pad team

run the 2 teams that kuwon says and cp pad around QEQ for 3rd

[grand plaza]

Yeah I am just checking it, send the reply before seeing his suggestion

[shell hazel]

sr anis kind of sucks for cp usually but she's pretty safe at p4 there

[clear vessel]

Eh, it is what it is. Also, to answer your previous question, I'm Dolphin. Was F2P until like last year.

[grand plaza]

The issue is now second team has 180k cp while cp pad team is 255k with 5RL or sth like that. Its barely CP padded tbh :/

[shell hazel]

you need to invest in the units with low cp to make those work really, or remove sr anis from the equation (no other batteries like Trina?)

[grand plaza]

Among my batteries she is the highest CP I think :D

I don't remember when but I gave her SR5 doll for some reason

[placid bloom]

if you have some spare blue kits/dolls from SR you can try to R15 some of your RLs

[shell hazel]

if cp with that team is an issue then focus the units some to improve it is the only way

[placid bloom]

CP will always be an issue if you never invest ever

[grand plaza]

I spend all my savings today on SBS, RH, Siren etc

[shell hazel]

campaign is still the main thing

[placid bloom]

if your defense is holding right now then you don't need to change

[shell hazel]

if you sticking in top 10 of SPA then your gem income is still good

[placid bloom]

it's something you can change when you defense gets cracked

[grand plaza]

I am trying to defend my 5-6th place.

This team was doing decent for weeks but lately they are start to crack it. Considering one team was basically a trash, its probably QeQ team was losing.

[placid bloom]

if you have a clip SG with higher CP like Drake/Noir then you can replace Centi with them and still end 3RL

you can't really replace Rumani though

[shell hazel]

tell me about it

going to get my moran to R-15 today hopefully then I'll have to seriously look at doll mats for lapT

state of dolls is pretty good all in all, many I can sit on SR-5 for now whilst I sort the rest out

[grand plaza]

Compared to this team, is 1RL worth giving up 40k cp? (225k to 185)

I don't think so, I mean I might see 4rl and win with biscuit if enemy doesn't wipe with an AOE, but with lower cp I will lose to CP padding anyway

[umbral belfry]

@coarse solstice just realized we can't send pet pics during maint bc it's ending at like 2 am my time

[nocturne wind]

Thanks, need to get helmt asap but I’ve been on and off the game so I’m low on maintenance items. Got drakes plush to 15 because I desperately need skill level ups, helmt is my next priority

Nice suisei pfp

[shell hazel]

losing too much cp may hurt more than slower speed, so your best bet is to invest into the core batteries/units when you can

so that you don't lose too much cp doing it

[glacial lion]

huh, sol lose

[grand plaza]

Sure investment would help but I gotta save my place until then :D

Continue cooking I guess

[shell hazel]

you can't cook what you don't got
Gordon Ramsay

look how much I have to invest to stay near the top of my SPA
#pvp-arena message

OL's on almost everyone, skills, dolls where I can etc, sure my main team isn't bad but I'm sacrificing some development there as well (all gear is OL but it's like +2, +3)

[placid bloom]

I mean there's multiple ways to get the same thing, you're just shifting around stuff

but in the end if you have too many low CP units

you will not have good results no matter how much you try to balance

[shell hazel]

SBS for PVE btw you need to invest her for like chapter 33 start

that is when her skills are needed the most, before that you can get away with not really doing much

[leaden canyon]

Cant kill this

Moran is left over by herself and just doesn't die, only my noah biscuit emilia are alive at the end

[grand plaza]

The issue with Jackal-Blanc is my jackal is too low and gets the indom right now. SR5 doll should solve the issue hopefully a while later.

How about this? 211 - 214 - 256k

[grand plaza]

Yeah I just got her from pilgrim mold, and made her 10 7 10 right away. I was saving for month+

[shell hazel]

add quantum to jackal / anis / centi may even get that top one to 2RL with feed

[grand plaza]

Yeah they all have Quantum3

[lone sequoia]

just use blanc+jackal in the same team, emi/blanc/rh/helm/jackal

[shell hazel]

looks OK to me I think in general, work on upping the lowest CP units on 1/2 when you can

bring em up a bit

[grand plaza]

Just making Jackal take indom would solve a huge issue tbh

[placid bloom]

how much HP diff is it?

[grand plaza]

SBS 1.317m, Jackal 1.197m

[leaden canyon]

that wont work because of cp problems

also emi wouldn't be linked

[grand plaza]

But SBS all has 0lvl ol gears, I will make them 3 for now which should widen the gap a bit more

[placid bloom]

probably need to OL chest too then

[placid bloom]

and even then might still need vigor cube

[lone sequoia]

the deficit is around 1.152

[worthy knoll]

That has no CP problem?

[leaden canyon]

Yeah but emilia wont surive p1 and neither will blanc

[lone sequoia]

i mean, the penalty

[worthy knoll]

Why would blanc not survive?

[lone sequoia]

then swap helm and get centi

[worthy knoll]

Emilia I get but not Blanc

[leaden canyon]

because opponent hurts really bad, I'll send it though

[grand plaza]

Might avoid it for now then, I guess I will see once I get some mats to make her SR5

[lone sequoia]

then use tempering in p1/p2 and p5

easy fix

[leaden canyon]

nope same thing, moran survives and kills me

[shell hazel]

damn how built is their moran?!

[worthy knoll]

Did you burst with emilia or not?

[leaden canyon]

yes

[shell hazel]

not even SR-15

[leaden canyon]

emilia burst went off and she got indom

[worthy knoll]

So I assume you got Noah blocked

[leaden canyon]

no

Moran just lives

[worthy knoll]

No?

[shell hazel]

send the recording

[lone sequoia]

video?

[leaden canyon]

It nuked everything else

[lone sequoia]

that cp is low for that amount of dupes in that lvl...

[leaden canyon]

Moran goes down to like 25% health and then back to full

[worthy knoll]

With Blanc countering Moran and still no?

[lone sequoia]

emi burst lvl?

[leaden canyon]

My emilia is maxed

[shell hazel]

send the video Dair

[worthy knoll]

Show vid so its more easy to see

[placid bloom]

4 black line Def Moran surely

[leaden canyon]

I would but nikke doesn't like when obs records

I can stream it

[shell hazel]

not got nvidia thing to record it with?

[leaden canyon]

I have amd

[shell hazel]

[lone sequoia]

probably, no heals in that team and time for moran to get high def%, but low cp...

[shell hazel]

stream it to me I'll record it 😄

[leaden canyon]

lol

alright

[lone sequoia]

time to use rh as main b3

should hit noah/moran/sanis

[worthy knoll]

Ahh fudge I got distracted, missed my BA dailies

[placid bloom]

what if the counter is actually LapT true damage

[crystal flicker]

Can use Drake for 3rd team later, though you can replace Anis there until she has full OL

[leaden canyon]

I'll try that

[lone sequoia]

or maybe high ele dmg since she hit emi p1

[crystal flicker]

So, we're know that Quantum only gives you burst gen based on original gen from Nikke
What about CS? is it raw value added?

[worthy knoll]

Ahh maybe its a reload issue on Emi

[lone sequoia]

but emi should oneshot moran

[shell hazel]

stream whatever one you want in the general channels Dair I'll grab a copy to share

[worthy knoll]

[lone sequoia]

no ammo?

[covert lintel]

first time i got above 1700
cause no one atked me

[leaden canyon]

Tell me when you're ready

[nocturne wind]

Oh boy more equipment hell…

[worthy knoll]

Then again Moran lifesteal

Maybe its a 4 atk 4 ele Moran

With SAnis buff

[lone sequoia]

that can tank emi p1

[placid bloom]

she gets SAnis Atk buff too

[crystal flicker]

I finished calc for 2.5 Cindy to reach 2.3 for 2RL Nuke block and it's so ass

23 cs

[leaden canyon]

So that worked

[shell hazel]

I'm uploading to yt even though it worked 🙂

I just spam stuff here not a public video but useful record for videos

[worthy knoll]

The Emi one?

[leaden canyon]

We tried hood as main b3

[worthy knoll]

I'm curious on the Emi one

[placid bloom]

no more Emi nuke

[leaden canyon]

Emi does not work

[placid bloom]

against Moran

[leaden canyon]

His moran just eats it

[shell hazel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMi15NlPHXo#

[leaden canyon]

You can see how tanky the moran is in the vid though

[shell hazel]

there ya go fella 🙂

[leaden canyon]

The moran has to be super invested

[shell hazel]

not SR-15 so room for more certainly

[leaden canyon]

Thats the whale in my bracket

[lone sequoia]

i think we need rh p4, p2 can't hit p3

[placid bloom]

it's fine no?

[lone sequoia]

i have to test rh angle and ssrapi in rookie again...

[shell hazel]

looks like jackal link takes care of stuff after moran dies

[placid bloom]

Noah taunts everyone on burst anyway and Moran does too

[covert lintel]

is that moran linked?

[placid bloom]

so either way you gotta shoot them

[shell hazel]

no I don't think she is

[placid bloom]

no, it's SAnis Helm Jackal

[shell hazel]

yeah that was how it looks to me, imagine if that moran was linked 😄

[leaden canyon]

Eventually with enough burstgen units added to the game that are not attackers you can get her to be linked with helm on another team lol

[worthy knoll]

Ahh i see

[shell hazel]

could get her linked with a diff battery probably

[lone sequoia]

link is p3~p5, noah get the taunt because her charged shot, moran after because p1, the time of blanc burst is not enough for rh to kill the link and p2 hit angle to p2 doesn't help to get more dmg in the linked or p1 units

[shell hazel]

and a bit of invest into her (more than they did already)

[worthy knoll]

Is that on mobile?

[leaden canyon]

no

[lone sequoia]

well... we can test sssrapi against the same team

should be better

[worthy knoll]

Oh so its not the mg option too

[shell hazel]

it's a screen cap of a discord stream it's going to be a bit ropey as well 😛

[leaden canyon]

I have it turned on

[worthy knoll]

Coz that makes Ar SMG and MG hit a lot more bullets

In rookie

[lone sequoia]

do you have miranda treasure? @leaden canyon

[worthy knoll]

Oh the option is there too on PC? Yeah I think that made you suffer

[leaden canyon]

I can get it but I have to get gloves for miranda

[lone sequoia]

i pref miranda over rh but both are the same as b1

[worthy knoll]

Coz Moran lifestealing more with a lot more bullets that she will usually throw at 30 fps

[shell hazel]

I don't know if I should use that option on PC as I got a good PC and 60 fps is usually fine

[valid fern]

I finally face reality today. Rosana can't even kill an uninvested Biscuit.

[leaden canyon]

Its still a damage boost on pc

[lone sequoia]

the other problem for emi p1 was elemental damage

[shell hazel]

it seems silly to have a switch on an option to change over a setting

[shell hazel]

which option is it? min bullet thing?

[lone sequoia]

should be fine against everything except siren

[crystal flicker]

Whos Viper alternative in SG comp? pref some who has atk buff?

[leaden canyon]

yeah

[shell hazel]

tbh for rookie I just run whatever, SPA/CA is not impacted right?

[worthy knoll]

Its silly they haven't fixed yet that it makes arena 60 fps on rookie

[placid bloom]

it still increases bullet count for SMG at 60fps, so no reason to not turn it on

[glad glade]

Just for confirmation, Rosa does nothing against Biscuit’s invincibility buff correct?

[worthy knoll]

I see 3 RL teams become 2RL too because Scarlet hits more bullets in 2 RL time

[shell hazel]

in general gameplay as well?

[placid bloom]

yes

you just straight up shoot more for no reason

[shell hazel]

hmm gotta try, any obvious places I can see the impact of on / not on?

[placid bloom]

Siren's the only relevant SMG atm but that's plenty reason to turn it on

you can check her Kraken before and after damage if you want

[worthy knoll]

All SMG, MG and AR gen increase when that option is on

[covert lintel]

so you need to hit hard enough for every hit to moran

[placid bloom]

it should be consistently higher

[upper grove]

try any MG team and hit bosses

[worthy knoll]

In rookie

You will notice it largely if you use XMica/Mana

And yeah maybe Grave too if one uses them

[jagged mesa]

i thought that's only for the double-shot smgs

[placid bloom]

nah it's everything, otherwise Siren would be performing the same in CA and SPA as in rookie

[crystal flicker]

Is there a way to make this 2RL?

[placid bloom]

[crystal flicker]

Actually nah

[placid bloom]

don't think so, even if P23 dies you're still 2.5RL

with Ros lv10 skill 2

[worthy knoll]

I think this team will be 2 RL if used on Rookie and with MG option on

Sadly I don't have Mana so I can't test it myself

[shell hazel]

I do but I don't have Rumani or LapT 😄

and my mana is 4/4/4

[worthy knoll]

I think @quick lake can

[placid bloom]

wait there's no Jackal to feed though, I don't think you're getting 7% burst gen just from counter and extra fire rate

[worthy knoll]

Mg Option on in rookie makes it 2 RL

[placid bloom]

you don't get double fire rate on AR though

it's like 20% faster, not 2x like MG

[worthy knoll]

All of them does

Its 8 more ammo than usual iirc

[placid bloom]

for AR? AR doesn't fire that fast

[worthy knoll]

8 ammo of Scarlet is like 0.45x8 already

[placid bloom]

AR goes from like 10 bullet/s to 12

it doesn't go up to 20

20/s is crazy

[worthy knoll]

I remember it went 8 more than usual than the 2 RL value

Somewhere around 8 or 7 more

AR at 2 RL should be 22

[placid bloom]

2 full rocket charge with no cs is 2s, so 24 bullet at 12 bullet/s and then there's a few more when you add recoil time

so +4~5 bullet compared to 10 bullet/s normally

[worthy knoll]

I'm basing it on this

[placid bloom]

well either way it's not double

[worthy knoll]

I didn't say its double

But at least 7 or 8 more

[placid bloom]

then you're not going from 93% burst gauge to 100% from min fire rate option

[worthy knoll]

And Scarlet gen per ammo is 0.45%

There is also Mana

With S2 LV10

And not to mention any Scarlet S2 that happens

Well test if first, so we can see if it does or not

On Rookie 60 fps arena

[quick lake]

used finish attempts

[worthy knoll]

In 24 min then

[placid bloom]

you have lv10 Mana s2

[quick lake]

Me sleeping soon

[worthy knoll]

Then when you are up, go sleep~

[past galleon]

If i send a roster with lots of characters but not invested you still ll be able to help with teams for pvp right?

[jagged mesa]

what do you guys think about letting t.helm burst in pvp

[shell hazel]

this is my min firing rounds off / on differences for kraken auto

there will be variance in runs

but it seems overall dps slightly up?

[crystal flicker]

Just to confirm, for skill with cooldown it will activate after the cooldown right?

[jagged mesa]

whats ur fps/cpu normally

[shell hazel]

pretty good I got a 4090 with 5900X CPU

though how well optimised Nikke is is another question 😄

[placid bloom]

yes, starts battle on cooldown

[shell hazel]

whalin on GPU 😄

[jagged mesa]

i cant hold 60fps on 5800x, so the min firing rounds option helps... it also helps depending on the stage

[shell hazel]

🐳

[placid bloom]

CPU matters more for Nikke

it barely takes any of your GPU

[shell hazel]

I don't tend to upgrade every gen gets too expensive

I just go all in every 2-3 gens

[sleek imp]

has anyone analysed this?

[shell hazel]

that is unnamed commander level 384 vs unnamed commander level 413

surely one will win

[signal hull]

They will ANALyse each other soon enough.

[jagged mesa]

what kinda comp beats this defense

[signal hull]

Same comp, but Helm bursts first?

[shell hazel]

siren stun p1 noah and gg

[jagged mesa]

hmm yeah thats what im thinking

but can siren stun before noah bursts?

[placid bloom]

Siren doesn't stop 2RL Noah if it's SPA

[shell hazel]

run your own noah/cindy or similar should work

[placid bloom]

has to be Soda

[jagged mesa]

soda cant kill noah with biscuit there can she

[shell hazel]

oh for rookie she always does (even with that min fire option off)

soda stuns Noah more reliably than siren does

[placid bloom]

no but it does make Biscuit burst instead so you can AoE nuke

[jagged mesa]

oh other soda

[placid bloom]

actually you can just slow Biscuit tank this

nothing they have can get over p1 tank

everything shooting at p1/2 anyway

[jagged mesa]

oh this is my defense

[placid bloom]

oh

[jagged mesa]

im just trading with someone at season end and they keep slipping by

we both slipping by the other's defense

[crystal flicker]

is Atk DMG Up different than regular Atk Up buff?

[jagged mesa]

im wondering if they are possibly putting some stall team

[placid bloom]

yeah Biscuit just solos this, don't really need fancy tech

you are full single target on p1 with rocket splash p2

[crystal flicker]

When we're looking at dmg formula, "DMG UP" is basically calculated before Dmg Taken

[jagged mesa]

thats not working for them on their defense

im crushing their jackal p1 biscuit defense

[tropic summit]

no problemo

[jagged mesa]

unfortunately my units are a bit fresh so im low on cp, and my t.helm only has two OL

[oak gale]

[tropic summit]

ideally would want to remove bsoda and drake, would also prefer running 2RL cindy... that'd require:

-laplace treasure
-rumani up to speed
-trina up to speed

atm i don't see any changes until you get those built

[sleek imp]

oh 😭

[crystal flicker]

Is this skill gonna cast in PvP?

[placid bloom]

yes

[crystal flicker]

I just found good flex then

[placid bloom]

the only ones that don't work are the ones that specifically require target or affect rapture/core

[umbral belfry]

@jagged mesa until next rookie (unless we match in reshuffle again or i get matched with your other acc)

[jagged mesa]

👋

[umbral belfry]

rail has a vid of 2 rl siren stopping a 2 rl noah but I'm not sure how consistent that is and/or if Noah needs cs rolls

(in sp)

[jagged mesa]

i tried putting jackal p1 and noah p2, and i still lost on defense so im not even sure if it's siren

[grand plaza]

How cs rolls would help?

[umbral belfry]

the more CS rolls on OL equips, the faster that unit shoots = faster burst gen

granted in that vid, noah was in pos 1, but still got stunned nonetheless

might be different if in pos2 + doesn't have taunt priority with a noise

[grand plaza]

I mean sure but isn't 2RL is the limit? If Siren can stun 2RL noah than no cs will help?

[tropic summit]

it's consistent, scarlet can dodge it if she's 0 ammo OL as she'll be reloading when stun is supposed to hit
B1 also happens before siren applies stun, so only B2 and B3 affected

[umbral belfry]

go over and beyond

[umbral belfry]

yeah this vid

[tropic summit]

CS% can indeed prevent even 2RL B2 stun

[umbral belfry]

so it's possible

ty rail

[tropic summit]

ye but expensive

[grand plaza]

Teach us :D

Whats the logic

[tropic summit]

needs whole team on 17%CS

just don't do it

play around it instead, B1 in p1 or multiple B2s

[jagged mesa]

why is 17% a cutoff anyways

[tropic summit]

it's the needed CS% to hit enough to burst in 2.5RL

in 2RL case, enough to hit 1.9RL

[jagged mesa]

under 2RL arent there technically no breakpoints

[tropic summit]

there's 1RL and 1.5RL on very unique cases, they require feed

1RL caused by p1 enemy cindy for example

[sleek imp]

Railtracer do I win this :o

[sleek imp]

1RL?

[tropic summit]

no your sbs is hard countered by p1 taunter + biscuit

[sleek imp]

dam

can I not beat any of those 😭

[tropic summit]

you need to make your 4RL team into 3RL

[grand plaza]

@tropic summit may I ask your opinion?

This - #pvp-arena message

or this?

#pvp-arena message

[tropic summit]

you can then beat that quency team

[sleek imp]

How would I do that

too slow you are implying...

[tropic summit]

basics:
https://nikke.gg/arena-mechanics/

once you learned the jargon, go mess with ur team:
https://nikke-deck.web.app/

achieve 3RL indom scarlet and you'll beat that

[umbral belfry]

if only it was that easy

[sleek imp]

Thank you

[jagged mesa]

lmao that's cursed

[shell hazel]

no chance wrong region sir 😛

[sleek imp]

oh damn I cant get mine to RL 3 unless I get treasured helm

[jagged mesa]

i achieved sr15 on helm on my other alt oml

4sh... maybe today

[wet crystal]

Gl, I'm trying for sr15 on sbs

[jagged mesa]

how many SR15 are you at now

[umbral belfry]

lock in 🗣️

[wet crystal]

PVE push + 1... 6

[umbral belfry]

you're gonna need sbs for volleyballs in ch 38 so gl 😭

[jagged mesa]

dang

[tropic summit]

both are bad, especially the one where you're B2ing with RH

-don't run teams on 4RL
-don't run teams on 4RL+

-avoid feed (MGs, SMGs, SGs) whenever possible

if you've to make a team that is not 3RL, make it CP padded, as that's a form of defense at least

i'd say keep the 3RL cindy and 3RL SBS, redo the last team in either 3RL nuke or CP pad

[sleek imp]

got my Helm treasured just now

Just for you railtracer

[wet crystal]

Let me just.. not interrupt that rail assist... fixed

[grand plaza]

That last team is the CP padded one

My main invested units are in first 2 team as well

[jagged mesa]

would you guys spend 400 gold tix to bring siren from 1star to mlb? given that golden tix are more worth it on 1% anyways

[wet crystal]

I'm not gonna see a combo of volleys and poison am I?

[wet crystal]

I would, I think. Altho, stellar blade collab soon

[shell hazel]

@spare brook self-deleting guy wdym? 😄

[jagged mesa]

true but those are gonna be 2%

[placid bloom]

it should be volleyballs and wheels or some combination of that garbage

[dire root]

I want to say jackal feed wins

[wet crystal]

Oh!

[jagged mesa]

might not be worth it though... idunno

[wet crystal]

Scar + liter feed, what'd that make the jack team?

[placid bloom]

2RL for sure

don't think you can get faster because bottlenecked by rocket charge speed

bottom one maybe a quarter second slower

[jagged mesa]

@umbral belfry @wet crystal i didit ididt iditi iditi dititidi i iditi i did it thelm

5th SR15 achieved

[wet crystal]

GG, how many phases can you unlock?

[jagged mesa]

like phase 29

prayge 3-4x CS

[sleek imp]

winnable now?

[umbral belfry]

I remember a specific stage, maybe 38-12, to where it was absolutely so ass it was volleyballs and something else

[sleek imp]

(scar vs scar)

[umbral belfry]

I think the last stg before the boss is bad too

also I hate the wheels too

I'll pray for your sbs

[umbral belfry]

helmt?

[umbral belfry]

if it's same speed no, noah will block your scar. that team looks very slow though

[sleek imp]

Not the crown 1v3 (we didnt burst)

[umbral belfry]

wait why is bisc pos2

that's a nono

[sleek imp]

where do I put her then/

im bad in pvp 😭

[umbral belfry]

at least do rumani pos2 and bisc pos2 (pref 4), that way bisc will give rumani inv

[umbral belfry]

bisc isn't a tank, she helps other defenders

read above

[sleek imp]

rumani pos 2, bisc pos 2

[umbral belfry]

sorry, pos1 rumani

my phone

[sleek imp]

this good?

[umbral belfry]

in any other team I wouldn't put rumani pos 1, but with bisc it'll buy you some time

[sleek imp]

tysm

[umbral belfry]

that's fine

gl

[jagged mesa]

3 T. helms this week

next up, crown

then siren then i commit to pvp units

[umbral belfry]

ash 2 rl helm teams incoming

[jagged mesa]

one down, jackal noah rumani to go

I FEEL IT, noah in daily pull next next week

oh my god im BALLING HELM TO 20/20/20

[sleek imp]

I beat it, tysm, btw should I just swap my RRH w Helm instead? I orginally had Crown but its slow, just got helm to fix that team tho

I mean is RRH suppose to be in a team where allows her to burst? the person who originally made this team for me prob wanted to CP pad since shes my 4th highest invested unit

[jagged mesa]

ok maybe i got a little too excited, maybe i shouldnt 10/10/10 helm

[clear folio]

helm mommy 10/10/10 max core or bust

[jagged mesa]

ur so right

full sending it

[clear folio]

need costume to double her damage too

[jagged mesa]

she was all the way here 10 minutes ago

oh my god should i 3x this too

or am i being a little too dumb right now

[clear folio]

lol full send!

pve/pvp unit

[jagged mesa]

ok no hold on i need 10 days to get 600, then i do it all at once

[umbral belfry]

both crown and rrh has low burst gen. but out of those 2 I'd go rrh. your level is very low rn so it's a mix of cp gapping and buret gen. as yoy level up I'd recommend aiming for at worst 3 rl teams. having helmt makes 2 rl teams possible with certain burst gen units. but rn you should focus on campaign rather than gearing up burst gen units (besides helmt)

now I go back to work

[jagged mesa]

ohhh my goddd waittt do i full send crown right now

[clear folio]

i say yes!

[sleek imp]

okay ty for your rsepond, sorry to bother

[jagged mesa]

it's SR6 0exp right now, plz guidance

[umbral belfry]

it's no worries! happy to help

[umbral belfry]

lock in

[dire root]

They are 3RL would Siren work here? Stun SBS so she doesn't burst RH bursts and scarlet kills RH of couse my B3 would need to be slower then their B3.

[wet crystal]

Bless

[jagged mesa]

today ill have 110 blue, 40 purple, and 40 gold to get crown from SR6 to SR15

i dont know how i should do this

asdfasdgasdgfasduyfsdf

sorry im spamming guys i havent had this much doll luck since... well ever on this account

[clear folio]

i do purple gold at 6/11 so sr6 and sr11, full blue 5/10. but thats just me

[jagged mesa]

1 gold -> 10 blue -> gold?

[wet crystal]

That luck gauge is getting drained

[dire root]

I may win

[jagged mesa]

nvm i got cooked... i have one gold kit coming in 1 hour, if that one fails im cooked

[wet crystal]

Did it work or did the mana revive get in the way

[lunar pawn]

is the game laggy today or what

[wet crystal]

PC nikke drops frames when moving my mouse, idk what fixes after some time

[jagged mesa]

switch ur mouse to 500hz polling rate, i recently found out about that

nikke lags at 1000hz polling rate

[dire root]

I don't know I haven't tried yet I'm cooking a different stall team that may be better. This team is too slow though I have no invested defender that would be a good P1 to have both Biscuits immunity and then Blanc's indom.

[jagged mesa]

that solved all my lag/stutter on pc

[wet crystal]

Oh god... it's... so... S L O W... I normally use 1400

[jagged mesa]

nono not your dpi, your polling rate

modern mice default to 1000hz polling rate, but nikke lags with it

my razer software for example

[wet crystal]

Is it me, or are these image attachments not "previewing" like they should be

[dire root]

Oh it works now

anyways I'm going to try this

[jagged mesa]

yeah im noticing that too

i think server not happy with me spamming doll pics in pvp chat

gg

[dire root]

https://imgur.com/a/oKzlVpf RH got indom, you are kidding me.

[deft pelican]

Can i get 3-DEF teams for sp arena

[wet crystal]

I was just thinking that too oof, even if sbs gets stunned I thought you'd burst fast enough to just down the sbs but they have enough time for a full burst

[dire root]

You know what, fine, plan B.

[wet crystal]

Just wasn't sure who'd get the indom

[dire root]

Did I burst too fast? Did Anis doom me?

SBS lived until my burst

but she didn't get the indom

[wet crystal]

Oh that's a gif?!

[dire root]

Yeah SBS got stunned before they bursted as planned, RH bursted as planned, but SBS was supposed to get the indom.

or some one else besides RH get the indom

litterally any one else

I needed to be slower I guess

[wet crystal]

Know what I've never seen, a 2rl sniper team

Scar or cindi is what I see

[dire root]

Sniper teams aren't used much because biscuit and Blanc exist

Cool I win, I should have just gone with defict team from the start

[wet crystal]

Did discord update or something? What's going on

[dire root]

I hate Blanc

[dire root]

Their servers must be melting.

[grand plaza]

I think this is a good cook

220k- 228k - 245k

[dire root]

Not sure which way this goes.

[jagged mesa]

did reducing polling rate fix your lag

[wet crystal]

Framerate saved

[jagged mesa]

sweet

[oak gale]

10 10 10 sbs good for pvp?

[jagged mesa]

dont do sbs skill 2 past level 7

[oak gale]

why?

[jagged mesa]

level 7 is the breakpoint for 100% ammo refill

[oak gale]

eh lvl 10 anyways

[jagged mesa]

ah

[wet crystal]

Oh wow, that is close, I'd end up voting for bottom but I wonder what our experts think

[swift mango]

You Scarlet wasn't able to one shot RH so she got indom

[dire root]

Rip taking away liter doomed me, you think I would have won if I replaced Siren with Liter, of course SBS isn't stunned but I think I burst before indom.

[wet crystal]

Does scar require good investments to nuke, not subpar, but actually good OLs?

[swift mango]

You could use liter, it doesn't matter if SBS stunned or not in this case.

[dire root]

My scar is a 4/4/6 with a overloaded helm, chest and gloves so I thought she had the damage to do it without Liter's help.

[lone sequoia]

@lunar pawn what happened with your last cheer?

[swift mango]

With double buff you might not need good investment

[lunar pawn]

lost

[wet crystal]

Like rh/liter + trina?

[swift mango]

There is also lucky crit... The more crit you have the better

[dire root]

define good investment my scar had decent investment. Well besides the burst being a little low at a 6

[wet crystal]

As close to ideal as possible I guess

A lot of my OLs have 1 or empty not applicable lines... need better luck

Or more rocks

[dire root]

Should give her a SR 15, 10/10/10 and reroll for attack and elemental lines.

Then watch RH try to live through that burst.

[lunar pawn]

only motivating thing about CA is getting the cheering frame, once you fail that or get them both the rest is 🚮

[lone sequoia]

i should have warned you...

still rng, i lost my losing streak this time because a weak sanis with high cp

[wet crystal]

My goal fr fr, but also seeing the trend of teams made is good to see

[dire root]

I won't but I could get to at least phase 10 if I really wanted.

[lunar pawn]

almost nobody wants to give me input when I ask for advice here, I post the entire matchups with cp side by side + RL comparison per fight, but only 1-2 people give their feedback per cheer

the so called pvp pros of this channel are mutes

[dire root]

Pilgrim mold is coming up so I need to save mats in the event RNG god blesses me with a good pilgrim.

[lone sequoia]

belorta overspec

[wet crystal]

Was the bet trend for the attacker too?

[lone sequoia]

i don't check this channel often and only rail and few others know how the match ups will go, but at the same time he is probably explaining how some teams work to the people who ask for def

[dire root]

Oh no I just realized that once Mihara and Siren are added to main pool they are going to reduce the chance of getting the pilgrims I want.

[lunar pawn]

bet trend is pointless, most people are clueless about pvp and will just choose the side with most bets, I won cheers at like 10%

[dire root]

I DON'T WANNA PULL MIDHARA OUT OF A MOLD!!!!

[wet crystal]

Belorta eats a fresh rapture core, not dusted, thinking it was a donut... becomes a new pilgrim heretic unit

[lunar pawn]

posted matchups here regularly while rail, keripo, blood, etc were online

blood kinda childish though and last time he advised on how a match would go, it went completely the other way

[jagged mesa]

almost everytime i asked for help here previously all i got "bricked" as a response

[lunar pawn]

[jagged mesa]

i even got flamed once

[wet crystal]

I've gone against the trend to get my all win frame... all for the frames

[lunar pawn]

[dire root]

Yeah this one feels like a coin flip.

I should just go with majoirty if I want to lose for the loser frame.

since majoirty sucks and loses most of the time

[wet crystal]

@coarse solstice second championship

[placid bloom]

I just trust my gut

[wet crystal]

I like the sense of your gut, thanks for the affirmation with my bet

[lone sequoia]

most of the fights depends in comp synergy, other in invest diff, i would say the most rgn fights depends in the cs+def or atk

[placid bloom]

At least there have been no matches that are straight mirror match

Those would be actual cancer to predict

[lone sequoia]

my season 1 fights were all 50/50

[wet crystal]

Getting my frames now before CA teams get standardized

[jagged mesa]

i still have no betting frames

[dire root]

L/W
?/?
W/L
W/L
L/W

Is round 2 going to be the tie breaker?

[jagged mesa]

also, those doll successes earlier were just enough for me @wet crystal

[wet crystal]

Top attacker right?

[dire root]

Left in the cheer screen is attacker right?

[wet crystal]

Ye

[dire root]

Then yes

[wet crystal]

How's their investments looking in round 2?

[lunar pawn]

winner:
p1 bottom
p2 top
p3 I think top has a slightly higher chance
p4 top
p5 top

my opinion at least

[lone sequoia]

R1 A (depends in helm dmg-link or cs)
R2 B
R3 50/50 (have to check burst gen and cs)
R4 A
R5 B (if sbs have dmg maybe can kill cindy team... but her decoy will tank most of the dmg)

[dire root]

I just realized that in P5 SBS will get indom and have 5 seconds of burst to kill Cindy while indom.

[wet crystal]

R3 the jack feed would bring up atker burst faster, but uhh does maid anchor + jackal survive double buffed scar?

[lone sequoia]

weak SG team

[wet crystal]

Yup

[lone sequoia]

i don't see that rosanna killing 2 SGs in the enemy team

unless more S2procs... but both teams are really low cp

[wet crystal]

Safe bet top

[lone sequoia]

yeah

more cp in drake than noir+drake is p2

[dire root]

Yeah I lost the first bet so I decided to just cope and go for the loser frame. 3/6 the way there to loser frame atm.

[lone sequoia]

rosanna team should win the fight by synergy, but cp is low...

just go with pepper team, more SGs

[dire root]

Well it's not the combat power it's the stats, the other team just has more HP and more attack damage so they are likely going to win the gun fight right?

[wet crystal]

Right? I've seen a better synergy team lose and an invested Naga just wipes 3v1

[dire root]

Also nice.

I mean ranking number 1 in rookie is pretty pointless, but it is cool.

[wet crystal]

I need them codes... as much arena vouchers as possible

[dire root]

Getting like 4th gives the same tickets as getting 1st I think

[jagged mesa]

close, but not the same

[wet crystal]

I've been short 100 vouchers before and I felt it...

But I was also spending it on the furnace... I stopped, but might resume furnace buying.. anyone else buy those

[umbral belfry]

if that's ura. his t1 should be 2 rl. lap is treasured

[dire root]

ura?

[umbral belfry]

urawhat

your cheer im assuming

[dire root]

Damn it

[umbral belfry]

bc if his helmt snipes sbs link that's a W

which seems likely

[coarse solstice]

Here is with my cubes to help you out

[dire root]

I mean is it right to factor in your cubes if you aren't factoring in theirs?

[coarse solstice]

I can make safe assumptions

[umbral belfry]

I can see t1, t3, and t4 in your favor. esp if that stall team isn't mega mega invested. and enev then helmt nuke will do nothing to a taunted immune bisc

[dire root]

too bad CA doesn't just show what cubes are on who.

[umbral belfry]

potential t5 win too

[coarse solstice]

It's definitely a RNG match

W W? L ? W?

[dire root]

You have to fight CUP if you win

assuming CUP wins his match

[umbral belfry]

t2 leaning loss bc rosa gets burst geh regardless whether their sg or your sg dies

but overall i lean it in your favor

[dire root]

wait wrong bracket

you are on the top the profile pic confused me with the other guy

[coarse solstice]

I placed bottom because I'm attacking

[dire root]

If CUP wins again that would be funny

[coarse solstice]

I'd be happy to lose to any of the folks here we have a really solid group ❤️

[dire root]

I may be in the next CA to get destroyed instantly because I don't have Cindy and would be working with a incomplete poorly invested rooster.

[coarse solstice]

Gotta finish your rooster 👌

[dire root]

How does CA selection work anyways? Does it take top 4 from the bracket SP arena season completion?

[umbral belfry]

@coarse solstice might wanna put a vigor cube on noir/centi to decrease chances of misindom esp when you're running pos2 sbs

[umbral belfry]

top 4 in bracket (points)

[wet crystal]

Wait we can swap cubes mid ca?

[umbral belfry]

No, I was suggesting to him for next season

changing team members mid CA when you see a hard counter match

[wet crystal]

Got lucky, 454k with sbs enough for 38?

[umbral belfry]

I don't remember what cp I was during that check clear info and see what's the usual?

and pray you get past the wheels + volleyballs with ease

[jagged mesa]

you guys are up to 454k?????

holy moly

[umbral belfry]

[jagged mesa]

do you guys have really good OLs

[umbral belfry]

this was my go to for ch 38

with sbs and cindy depending on if there were volleyballs

[umbral belfry]

mine are eh, not bad

[wicked horizon]

Rapunzel DPS 💀

[umbral belfry]

could be better, but some specific ones does help for cp gain alone

2 more hrs of work to go

[jagged mesa]

christ, im missing some t9m still but i think i need to transition to kraken full time

actually im going to keep hunting for chest piece until i can get my first abnormal attacker chest

then full kraken

[jagged mesa]

that's hilarious

[wet crystal]

I really was gonna skip on sbs back then... good thing I didnt. Long overdue, but she's set for now

[swift mango]

I'm mute.

[wet crystal]

I'm up to that but my hand mechanics and coordination aren't up to par. As you can see, Hime clears with a lower cp than me. Gotta get good.. or pump cp.. following her images, 454k and 456k respectively... 453k for rh team

[jagged mesa]

well im a little shocked at how high your pve squads are, but now that i think about it im even more shocked that 450k cp is able to get up to ch38

i literally just cleared MC earlier so maybe i can knock out a couple of chapters before im walled at 360k cp

(my cindy was very behind on so my MC squad was low)

[jagged mesa]

i just noticed thats without SR15 on crown and siren too, i estimate to be at around 370k cp with full SR15

[spiral onyx]

I legit don't give support to anyone, nor do I ever advertise that I do lol

[coarse solstice]

Disagree you've made your resources available to everyone for free. Just requires reading we all appreciate you

[spiral onyx]

Sorry, I meant I don't provide individualized support

"last time he advised on how a match would go, it went completely the other way"
Cool story bro, instead of complaining about it, sounds like it's time to hit the books and learn

Lemme actually copy paste something I wrote in my guild Discord in terms of cheering that might help people here

Understanding PvP "rock-paper scissors"

There is no such thing as a "perfect PvP defence" let alone 5 perfect CA teams. Each team will have its strength and weakness. As a result, CA is actually just a fancy version of rock-paper-scissors (though of course some people have C7 +5 OL'd shiny rocks that can beat 0LB +0 T9M'd tissue paper). Here is a general guide of what to expect in your matchups (and cheerings) under the assumption that both sides have equal investments:

• Scarlet-Jackal - wins against SAnis teams and SG teams, loses to Noah teams
• SAnis - wins against SG teams and weak Cindy teams, loses against Scar-Jack teams
• Cindy-Noah - wins against Scar-Jack, may win against SG teams depending on investment, loses against strong SAnis teams
• SG - wins against teams that have a weak/unprotected P1 (on attack) or P5 (on defence) if that unit is burst-chain critical, loses against Scar-Jack and Biscuit teams
• Blanc-Scalter-Rapunzel - loses against all of the above pretty much but might catch some weird/underinvested teams, use this as your yolo wildcard

Feel free to reference/pin that as a generic guidance for cheering

[crystal flicker]

Cheering just feel empty after you lose the CA

[jagged mesa]

or after you break your cheering success/fail chain

frame > credit...

[placid bloom]

I'm on ch38 with around 380k, it just depends how much you're willing to mald

[crystal flicker]

I always cheer for myself, so I'm going down with it lmao

[jagged mesa]

wtf real? clear mc -> almost full skip to ch38?

what's your squad

[dire root]

You should hedge your bets, believe in someone else so even if you fail your belif wasn't betrayed.

[crystal flicker]

NaH

The moment I get that cheering frame is the moment I win CA

[placid bloom]

stuck on double wheel + flying barrier though.

[jagged mesa]

not quite sure what double wheel is

[coarse solstice]

@crystal flicker

[crystal flicker]

I believe you have MAnchor to beat snek

[placid bloom]

oh it's like farter if farter just one shot you after charging for 8 seconds

[wet crystal]

... i need to get gud

[placid bloom]

shield and cover doesn't stop it ofc

[jagged mesa]

okay im actually quite close, i just need to land my SR15 on crown and some more synchro levels... nice

[placid bloom]

[lone sequoia]

xd

[placid bloom]

it's legit the dumbest enemy I've seen so far in this game

but maybe it's because I don't have RH

[wet crystal]

I had to brute force that snek

[jagged mesa]

personally, i hated the stages where a whole squad of 10 spread-out snipers one shot your entire squad 3 seconds into the stage

[coarse solstice]

Same at 405k and can't beat behemoth because I'm bad @umbral belfry don't judge

[lunar pawn]

dude, who are you? random ragebaiting me after spending 10 minutes in this channel in his life

[wet crystal]

My main learning sources for pvp have been nikke gg, prydwen, the burst calc sheet, this disc and it's pins and them keripo vids

[spiral onyx]

This actually ties into one of my issues with the current state of #pvp-arena . When I pushed for the creation of this channel 2 years ago, I was looking for a sister channel of #strategy , aka a place for PvP-focused theorycrafters to share knowledge and learning and discuss new metas. My hope for the channel was not for this to become a second #team-building , but unfortunately it has gone that direction. This is why my contributions here focus on sharing knowledge, something I think is scalable, and not about helping individuals build specific teams for their specific account boxes, something I don't think is scalable

[wet crystal]

And rail's match analysiss

[jagged mesa]

my "learning" is thinking of dumb combinations as workarounds and waiting for someone here to tell me why its a bad idea lmao

[wet crystal]

If all else fails, brute force will eventually prevail

[lone sequoia]

i test synergies and dmg; how much a unit/team can tank

[jagged mesa]

my recent take is that rei.t >= scarlet

[spiral onyx]

And that's fine, because you're exploring and pushing new ideas that you created yourself, as opposed to asking to be spoonfed the answer

[jagged mesa]

i think a main problem is that players, especially f2p, really don't have the resources to experiment (nor the units for that matter)

[lunar pawn]

when analyzing the single unit, sure, but scarlet has way better synergy in a team ever since trina came out unfortunately (or fortunately for the ones who missed the collab?)

[jagged mesa]

so it's all about min-max without experimentation

[jagged mesa]

for example, rei.t allows noah, scarlet doesnt

[placid bloom]

point of guide is to give you theory anyway

counter matchup in theory can lose to investment

[lunar pawn]

could be a 2nd team, but cindy is being used with noah in the current meta

[jagged mesa]

also a lot of new players have a hard time distinguishing between updated/outdated articles on nikke.gg for example

[lunar pawn]

silly little thing only ragebaiting in this channel lol, keep it up

[jagged mesa]

the good thing about rei.t in my opinion is the complete self-sufficient steroids, and good follow-up damage after the screen-wide too

[lunar pawn]

isn't it kinda abandoned in lots of places? prydwen was too but recently it got picked up again

[lone sequoia]

he will delete his post later, don't worry

[jagged mesa]

this part

[jagged mesa]

yeah it is abandoned in a lot of areas

[lone sequoia]

because the core of the old comps is the same, the only change this last year was the main dps in some teams, but teams work the same

[keen vapor]

That really means I'm behind and I haven't catched up even after opening core dust cases

[jagged mesa]

noo there are a lot of misc. articles here and there with completely outdated ideas

[lone sequoia]

like a team comp known as something needs 2~3 units in the team, then you fill with other units to keep or change the speed

[jagged mesa]

like some pages still recommend snow white maxwell

like right now, im having a hard time discerning whether fire asuka is still a SSS/SS tier character worth investing on my other account

[umbral belfry]

this is karma for calling me bad

[lone sequoia]

yeah...the only thing about those units is the doro/blanc comp, not good unless you use maxwell as buffer in slow teams, old info, normal for some gacha pages

[umbral belfry]

and then I locked in and cleared main story

[umbral belfry]

this level was so ass gl

[placid bloom]

I think I can beat it if I pop my core dust boxes

but I'm being stubborn

[muted stag]

T1 is win but what can I use to counter siren?

[umbral belfry]

skipping on sbs? tsk tsk tsk

[lunar pawn]

people I blocked making alts to ragebait me, I live rent free in their heads lol

[covert lintel]

it's exactly as you said. it's the same as team building, all because CA get released like that
after someone ask a team, mostly they disappeared without learning how pvp work

[wet crystal]

Changed my mind after a chance watch of Sky's stream

[jagged mesa]

sbs carried me since new years, because her and rapi rh were all i had
until i got crown and rh the past 1.5 months

[primal lichen]

Can anyone give me some suggestions for my CA teams?
T1: Scarlet/Anis/Laplace/Trina/Jackal
T2: Moran/Biscuit/SAnis/Emila/C Maiden
T3: Noah/Centi/Cinderella/THelm/Noise
T4: Bunny Soda/XAnne/Siren/Drake/Noir
T5: OS Mihara/Blanc/Mana/Rapunzel/Rosanna (experimental 5th team here but I think I can get this to work)

[lone sequoia]

that depends in who ask or answer, some will stay and ask for a explanation, some will not give one, other will not accept one

[jagged mesa]

im no chef but i just wanna say, i couldnt make double res mihara work

[placid bloom]

oh yeah I will say that I had MAnchor built for a while before tackling snake, otherwise I'd probably be stuck on 36 still until 400k. So CP is not quite everything.

[lone sequoia]

because mihara is too rng if she is not in stall comps

[rich quail]

And some treat the people who help them like trash and act dismissive

[jagged mesa]

i just got past MC so im not close to snek yet, what am i missing about that stage that requires anchor?

[lone sequoia]

in sac you want mihara p1 to die fast, but at the same time you want mihara p3 to avoid taunt and proc all her marks

[primal lichen]

yeah idea for the Mihara team is to just have her die, trigger the dot and just stall out via blanc burst to win it. Rosanna to full charge after deaths going 2nd

[placid bloom]

breath goes through cover and shield, only way to survive is having higher max HP, which is what Anchor provides. She also cleanses 1 stack of poison every burst which slightly lowers the damage you take after.

[lunar pawn]

we have those?

[wet crystal]

I remember but I was stuck on behemoth till I got siren, that focus aim was god sent

[rich quail]

A few

I’ve seen it, and I’ve been a recipient

[lunar pawn]

think 80% of the people asking for help here is just "make me a spa team, I have everyone"

[jagged mesa]

is that breath a strong single-hit? or is it something i can sustain through with helm burst

[wet crystal]

breath can be helmed

[placid bloom]

first one you can tank with your normal HP pool. Second one is double breath and will kill you before you can lifesteal depending on deficit.

[jagged mesa]

ok well then im cooked

because im out of resources

[placid bloom]

I think around 400k you can clear without Anchor

[lone sequoia]

so for SP teams you need mihara in stall to get all her dmage or in blanc comps to get the dmg buff´+ full duration of her DoT during destroy, the other thing is that in these comps mihara b3 iss bad because you lose the DoT at the end of destroy, for CA normal sacc should be fine since all teams are random and mihara sacc is a cheap team, to me the best option without stall or blanc is SG/siren/mihara/makima/SG or makima p5, but you don't want mihara b3 in the chain, in sac comps rosanna+SG is fine since you lose or win against the ssame teams

[wet crystal]

I brute force cleared with crown/sbs/siren/helm/rapi at 414k

[lone sequoia]

good unit, but not good for a 1%banner

[coarse solstice]

I have siren I'm just bad 🤣

[oak rivet]

@spare brook
I advise you to tone down regarding your wording toward other users.

[coarse solstice]

410183

[primal lichen]

hmm interesting would Mihara be focused down if you went say Rosanna/Blanc/Rapunzel/Mana/Mihara here? To make mana burst and not Mihara

[jagged mesa]

i uh, dont think thats an option for me anytime soon

max ~370k if i can land super success on crown and siren

maybe ~378k at 261?

[umbral crown]

[jagged mesa]

err i guess i can push helm to core 4 with silver mileage

[umbral belfry]

@wet crystal Good luck on ch18 hard boss btw that legitimately made me mad

[lunar pawn]

not worth tbh

[umbral belfry]

ehhhh

[lunar pawn]

the cp gain from dupes is abysmal

[umbral crown]

Go

[umbral belfry]

I can see the appeal in it kind of

[jagged mesa]

idk what else to spend silver mileage on

[umbral belfry]

could always wait for next treasures though

[wet crystal]

20 tries, give or take

[umbral belfry]

I personally do so, bit that's bc I pull often

[lunar pawn]

yea, better to keep it for better treasures in the future or something

[umbral belfry]

I was so close to beating it at like 30 life but then I died, and all I remember is force shutting the game lmfao

[lunar pawn]

I'm 500+, my helm is like 250k+ cp, and each dupe was about 5k or less

[jagged mesa]

the lore here with my account is that my doll rng is really lacking, so even if new treasures come out i'll be... quite far off from getting around to those

[lunar pawn]

also you were right @lone sequoia
you know the guy? known for ragebaiting then deleting his posts? guy's silver ranked but he deleted all his messages

no shot that's not an alt of someone here lol

[jagged mesa]

but if this is true... idunno

[swift mango]

My 2rl Bay's cover survived until 3rl Cindy burst lol.... Guess my 7710 Moran worked her worth.

@spiral onyx here's an example of Bay completely blocking Cindy nuke and Cindy hits keep on hitting no HP cover.

[jagged mesa]

if i can squeeze 6k cp out of 3 dupes, it actually kinda does help

[placid bloom]

yeah dupe pretty unimpressive

only thing dupe does is mess with Jackal links

[umbral belfry]

yknow, there's a specific event that can help you gain cp

an event of the drake caliber, even

[lunar pawn]

I mean, nikke is an idle game, I'd rather wait a little bit longer than spend hundreds of mileage to try one last push

[primal lichen]

Will p5 always be targetted first if you put Rosanna in P1?

[jagged mesa]

next milestoen for maintenance kits is 76, im at 70

[wet crystal]

@umbral belfry I'm gonna try this to your cindi then melt before I can burst 😂

[jagged mesa]

i just bricked 3 gold kits so im waiting to push my 2000 exp to SR12 so i can try gold kitting again at 40%

[umbral belfry]

I mean in theory it should work

granted my cindy team is 2 rl, you'd need a 2rl bay team that isn't cp gapped

[wet crystal]

the gap is reeal

[placid bloom]

my Alice is SR14 with 1000/3000, there is no saving her now

[jagged mesa]

condolences..........

[umbral belfry]

I have anis on there, maybe there's hope

[jagged mesa]

super success at 2600/3000 maybe

[wet crystal]

oh, my t1 won recently, t3 had a misindom

[swift mango]

It's even better against 2rl Cindy. No worry of cover busted.

[umbral belfry]

lock in @wet crystal

[umbral belfry]

you hate to see it

[lone sequoia]

that depends in what you are trying to achieve, enemy team will hit p2 then p1 again or focus in p5 if they are SG in def, the problems in that team are, mihara p5 against normal teams and you need 1sacc for every RL slower than 2RL, that team don't have real damage against proper teams (sustain or def stats) but it is a bit of gimmick, interesting to see against SG teams but should lose against same scarlet or fast nuke comps if you can't cast blanc b2

so mihara p5 work as a filler against SG or to kill herself against scarlet and tank with your other units

[primal lichen]

essentially I am just trying to just sac Mihara + get a blanc burst off without using Mihara's burst somehow wondering what the ideal positioning is

[lunar pawn]

mihara is good for pvp?

[placid bloom]

if you have nothing else she's okay.

[primal lichen]

not sure yet but trying to cook something up for a 5th CA team

[lunar pawn]

I thought I missed a gimmick

[lone sequoia]

in CA is hard to know... the only option that your main b3 or unit who will get blanc burst is not mihara, but you should keep a good burst chain/unit position, mihara p1 in sac is full rng, since she can die around 5~8marks or will get taunted by noah/noise and those units will get like +3marks reducing your chances to get all 5 units with the DoT

[placid bloom]

there's a lot of stuff you'd use before her though.

[lunar pawn]

I do remember using redpi at times to burst through enemy comps that didn't have biscuit (e.g. cindy+noise)

[lone sequoia]

if you plan to sacc mihara, just use her in p1, p5 will only work with SGs in def, but the option to get blanc burst in a correct units is with the HP stats, so make sure that mihara is not your lowest HP unit with rapu b1 or after mana revive (check max hp) against teams that have really high base dmg i don't think they will have sustain/heals so even if mihara die 1 time and get blanc burst you should win with the first DoT proc, against noise* or rapu teams you will lose regardless

[swift mango]

Make sure that Mihara is your lower HP unit is better... Her Sustain dmg is abysmal without her surviving. And if she got blanced then the match is settled.

[lone sequoia]

full rng, still fun

[spiral onyx]

There's a difference between "ok, I got these units, based on the research I've done, I think this and that are my best bet given what I have. Can someone double check my homework for me?" versus "here's my box, someone cook for me kthxbai"

[umbral crown]

Helm is besto treasure

[lone sequoia]

best unit in the game

[primal lichen]

hmm interesting, thank you for the input! I wonder if getting rid of the res entirely and going 2-3rl speed might be better. Gonna experiment a bit with this team

[lone sequoia]

mihara p1=go full sacc, mihara in other position+blanc=try to get blanc burst in another unit @primal lichen

[umbral crown]

And ywt he says :do not spend silver on her

[lunar pawn]

I mean, it's not like with dupes you're going to get p4 helm or something

[swift mango]

The problem is to get it to 2rl. Even with Rossanna sacc and HelmT. It's not possible to get to 2rl with Rossanna+Blanc+Mana+Midhara+HelmT with just 1 sacc...

[umbral crown]

Then do not pull in any banner or go for C7

Everyrhing helps in this game

[spiral onyx]

Good to know. I need to do an update on all my tier list recommendations and descriptions later when I have the free time, remind me then to include this detail under Bay

[umbral crown]

[lunar pawn]

negligible cp gain, unless they're a whale or got plenty mileage to spare, it's ill advised to spend your silver mileage on dupes when unneeded (e.g. going beyond max bond required dupes)

[lone sequoia]

that is why i always say to set the base speed for sacc teams to 3RL, unless you have really good cheap damage and can get a unit killed in the enemy team

[lunar pawn]

what happens when we get maxwell treasure and the guy has no mileage to max bond her

[swift mango]

I see...

[keen vapor]

Rosy I've got 4.47%

[lone sequoia]

power ups nothing more, not over spec...still at 1%(?

[keen vapor]

Blood Soda gaming isn't working

[swift mango]

Why?

[lunar pawn]

matis and absolute are not overspecs

[keen vapor]

I get defeated first try every time

[lunar pawn]

doesn't mean we won't get treasures for them

we're also missing the overdue treasure on sugar

[swift mango]

Not enough CP couldn't be helped.

[keen vapor]

At least Jackal is on "Moran tier" CP now

[keen vapor]

Check my blabla

Jackal helmet

I was going for CS

[umbral crown]

Do not limit yourself to lb2 or mlb, investing in the besto unit is always worth

[lone sequoia]

then get more cs

[swift mango]

You could have black line x12 and lose still lose if you got enough level gapped.

[keen vapor]

Kisama

[umbral crown]

You can not just wait for better treasure when ypu have the besto unit in game waiting ofr investment

[wet crystal]

on average, how many rocks does it take you get your target cs line?

[crystal flicker]

You know what

[umbral crown]

The guy will just pull for her in ordinary, not the end of the world

[swift mango]

Hobo get 38% Emi in 17 rocks. I got no CS once in 17 rocks. Average is infinity.

[umbral crown]

Like diesel has treasure but practically none goes for her

[crystal flicker]

What if we use Rapunzel P1 with emergency cube

[umbral crown]

[lunar pawn]

I mean, I agree she's the best unit in the game, but I'm also kinda broke in silver mileage and would rather keep enough for a couple dupes in case we get another surprise like helm and I don't have enough dupes

[umbral crown]

Just wait for dupes or save gems to pull, its how we all do

[swift mango]

My diesel is actually 1OL, 444 and still used in elysion tower...

[lone sequoia]

extra HP at 20%normal HP?

[swift mango]

[umbral crown]

Use marciana 0 OL 1/1/1

The rest of the units carries the cp

[lunar pawn]

would never tell someone to wait for helm dupes, just silver mileage to get her fav item

[umbral crown]

[crystal flicker]

I forgot the exact effect, but it should pair well

[umbral crown]

Go helm C7 is the way

[swift mango]

My Rapipi only have 1 ammo line so Diesel helped with adding her more ammo.

[lone sequoia]

yeah, but you need a really tank rapu to keep theHP% range without dying

[umbral crown]

[wet crystal]

think it'd be too much if they release arcana as another clip rl?

[umbral crown]

Its what i want

[crystal flicker]

Just Need P1 and 2.5-3RL team

[lunar pawn]

good bait before collab

[umbral crown]

Sonwe more than ready for CA

[swift mango]

Doubt

The only thing that paired well with that cube is moran

[umbral crown]

All eva collabs not good in pvp

[swift mango]

[crystal flicker]

Not really fair comparison but Blanc dies around 3RL

[umbral crown]

The real bait

[swift mango]

My ReiT will cleave your Rapu every time.

[umbral crown]

Doubt

[crystal flicker]

I'll pull Arcana if shes cliprl

[swift mango]

Check out that element dmg.

[umbral crown]

[lone sequoia]

the problem are the base stats, that cube is random*, the only good uses i get from that cube is to boost xmaiden or cindy damage after a nuke, so in situations that your units tank normally that cube should be really good if your unit have the stats, but not good right now, the dmg from some units is too high

[wet crystal]

which is that?

[crystal flicker]

I'll test it after I build Rapu

[umbral crown]

Low

[crystal flicker]

Rapunzel

[lone sequoia]

you can try with rapu/scarlet/jackal team

[wet crystal]

oh I thought it was a cube... that I've not seen

[crystal flicker]

She'll provide less penalty than Siren

[wet crystal]

I've not seen rapu stun happen

[lone sequoia]

the last 3 cubes were, pierce cube-damage to parts and the extra max hp for 10sec when the HP of your unit reach around20%

[lone sequoia]

it was common before, now only in CA teams with luck or rapu/jackal comps

[wet crystal]

does rapu need to be p2 for that to happen?

[lone sequoia]

keripo lost last CA season because that stun(?

her HP must drop from 30%