pvp-arena

[tropic summit]

nah, just matter of time, just keep learning

[atomic wolf]

the bad part of team 3 is

i tried noah biscuit
GUESS WHAT

its not even remotely close to 3RL

[tropic summit]

the struggle

[dim escarp]

here's my change, biscuit invu for moran and pepper replace tia in team 5 (still very weak team I guess)

[tropic summit]

hmm

[atomic wolf]

i thrive off 2RL

knowing that if i dont burst before they do

i might Lock into the fact that I will be Dead

[tropic summit]

T1 ok
T2 ok
T3 why you bursting with centi
T4 average, but better than before
T5 still bad choice of B3 (single target), why not just turn this into 3RL nuke (pmaid, ein, reiT)

[dim escarp]

it's an error for 3 but don't worry it's trina in game lol

[dim escarp]

ok I can run Ein for p5

I'll run this anyway for t3

[atomic wolf]

BRO is running WHAT

[dim escarp]

I don't want siren stun my scarlet lol

[tropic summit]

tradeoff scarlet s2 to prevent possible siren stun, i guess it's a choice

[dim escarp]

last CA I lose with this team because of this

[tropic summit]

that's 1 chance on 5 that team meets siren

[dim escarp]

real..

alr thenI ll stick with this

[tropic summit]

realistically:

Approximately 73.79% chance to face at least one counter team over 6 matches.

[ruby iris]

What about this?

[tropic summit]

uh let's see

[dim escarp]

yeah I guess last time it was just very unfortunate lmao

[ruby iris]

It looks better on paper lmao

[gaunt sentinel]

guys i need help making league team

first time

[tropic summit]

T1: indomless/noahless SBS is not an optimal B3 choice, she's not instant nuke
T2: overcommited, you don't need helm here, you'll want revive if jackaless (xanne, mana, rapu)
T3: ok
T4: buffless pmaid (crown doesn't buff B3 burst)
T5: you're gonna end up indomming rouge here

[atomic wolf]

aaaAAAAAAAAAA SHIBAL

[tropic summit]

throw quantum on biscuit

[atomic wolf]

cap

should work with lv4 right

[tropic summit]

ye

[swift mango]

Sound like asspull rate to me. Because one team has more counter than another, but okay.

[tropic summit]

ye that's correct, the "minimum" chance is 73%

[ruby iris]

Oh damn

I hate B2 buffers

Most are super bad in pvp

[atomic wolf]

piss

[tropic summit]

mari, blanc, trina, grave, poli, anchor:IM

[tropic summit]

hmmm barely passable

[gaunt sentinel]

wait where i got that calculator

[rich fiber]

Did you lower your Scar ammo count to the low thirties?

[atomic wolf]

could threw in a quantum cube since quantum on other two tema is redundant

[tropic summit]

https://nikke-deck.web.app/

[tropic summit]

nah my scarlet has got ammo to go for indom

[rich fiber]

OK I see forgot about using her w blanc

[tropic summit]

it's actually a legit choice tho to keep her standard ammo, you can make her cover when siren hits her stun so that neutralizes that issue altogether

[atomic wolf]

the last team is a bit of a dud, i think its best to abandon since there's no better battery choice

[tropic summit]

oh wow that hurts

[atomic wolf]

2 2RL 2 3RL and one abandon i think

[tropic summit]

ye it's a choice you can make

[ruby iris]

Idk if I should remove blanc and swap her with Grave in T1

[atomic wolf]

let's be real here unbuffed rei burst is about as good as using red hood b1 into her own b2 instead of crown's

[lunar pawn]

results of 1st round are tomorrow or the day after?

[atomic wolf]

aaactually

[ruby iris]

Because that way the 5th team will lose strength

[atomic wolf]

does rapi red hood tech work here

[tropic summit]

yeah that's pretty much correct

[tropic summit]

blanc without a biscuit locked team or jackal is quite a bit of RNG

[ruby iris]

True

[tropic summit]

either you go:

jackal var:
indom target + blanc + linked + flex + jackal (riskier for blanc)
indom target + linked + blanc + flex + jackal (safer for blanc, away from splash dmg)

biscuit var:
blanc + indom target + flex + biscuit + defender (ideally high HP)

[atomic wolf]

.

[rich ledge]

2RL scarlet or 2RL cindy? should be 2RL scarlet right?

[tropic summit]

2.5RL on 96% is essentially 2RL with jackal involved, even more so with scarlet s2

cindy meanwhile needs to be natural 2RL

[ruby iris]

In the bisc variant, should Rouge stay in P3?

[tropic summit]

with biscuit you probably can't afford rouge, would make the team too slow

typical biscuit indom variant involves blanc, biscuit, clip SG, indom target and rumani

your p2 can be any indom target (typically SBS or s.anis)
your p4 can be any clip SG burst gen tier (xmaiden, laplace+, clip SGs)

[ruby iris]

Oh yeah it's super slow (4RL)

I guess I'll keep rumani for the HP buff and place another b1

[tropic summit]

the pros of that team is that it can win against most 3RL, 2.5SGs (rosanna-less) and may punish also 3RL biscuitless noahs

[ruby iris]

That way she can stall a bit lol

[tropic summit]

it will inevitably lose against 2RL glass cannon, 2RL snipes (helmT or rosanna) and the likes

[ruby iris]

Oh okok

[rich ledge]

hmm 1 thing it seems like noise would interfere with scarlet S2 since she taunts

[tropic summit]

ye correct, you want your linked units to get hit there to benefit from scarlet s2

so unless she's linked, it's a bit of a waste

then again she taunts at 1RL and you burst at 2RL, so you mostly losing out on 1RL of counters

[rich ledge]

if I replace noise with redhood b1 it becomes 90% 2RL which is way too off i guess

[tropic summit]

@swift mango did you end up with 5 teams on 2.5RL btw?

[tropic summit]

90% with jackal and scarlet p1 it's actually quite easily 2RL

in CA most teams may run feed of sort, be it AR or SGs

90% with a single AR is 2RL

[rich ledge]

if vs cindy team with RLs would it reach 2 RL?

[tropic summit]

assuming worst case scenario against one of the lowest feeding teams:

you'd get 7-10% in 2RL, without considering scarlet s2 that can be well within 2-3% on its own in 2RL, yes you'd be 2RL

[rich ledge]

oo nice so we can do with a 90% 2RL scarlet jackal

[tropic summit]

show case of this one on 77% to 2RL against a single AR

[ruby iris]

I don't have other revive/indomitable nikkes

So T1 is my "let's hope for the best" team atm

[tropic summit]

T1 bad
T2 ok
T3 SG vulnerable, siren vulnerable
T4 almost lethal, decent
T5 no cindy p1, you giving 1.75x extra burst gen to enemy RLs

[ruby iris]

Oh lmao cindy alr

[covert lintel]

the day after

[ruby iris]

Yeah T1 doesn't have anything to keep it together

[ruby iris]

Should I move Noah to T1?

And make the third team the worst lmao

Or is it not worth it

Maybe I could use Ein (she's invested in) instead of SAnis/Scarlet

She'll still lose to noah teams but maybe if I make it a 2RL team it could work

[tropic summit]

hmmmmmmm... i think it's safe to say you wanna focus on 4 teams with what you showed me

noah archetype - aim for 2RL
biscuit + indom archetype - 3RL
cindy archetype - aim for 2RL, else 3RL is acceptable
scarlet archetype - can be 2RL via feed
filler - any, ideally 3RL, else make it 4RL

[ruby iris]

Okok I'll try, thx

Where can I look up these archetypes btw?

[tropic summit]

this has a good chunk, credit to Rheax

#pvp-arena message

[storm quail]

Any champion arena team I can use?

[tropic summit]

for the biscuit archetype, go for either clip SG B1 and clip RL B2 or clip SG B3/B2 and clip RL B1

[slender flare]

@chilly furnace

[keen vapor]

Rail, did you help nekomata with CA teams?

[tropic summit]

i gave him pointers

can probably take a look in around 25 minutes

[keen vapor]

[tropic summit]

[slender flare]

@chilly furnace

[shell hazel]

[keen vapor]

At this point I'll probably have him blocked

[tropic summit]

[slender flare]

@chilly furnace

[umbral belfry]

@keen vapor did you make it?

[tropic summit]

echo top 4

[keen vapor]

Nah ASDF did beat me again
C8

[tropic summit]

reshuffle in 15 days hang in there

[umbral belfry]

[slender flare]

@chilly furnace

[keen vapor]

Time to say goodbye to Summer Anis Siren team

[ruby iris]

Is Viper Clip SG?

[tropic summit]

aye

[ruby iris]

Yeee I'm getting her treasure soon

[shell hazel]

careful with her treasure p3 think screws something up

can't burst anymore or something

[keen vapor]

Don't brick your team by maxing her treasure

You'll lose the ability to burst

[ruby iris]

Wait what really?

[keen vapor]

Read kit

[ruby iris]

[keen vapor]

Read

[tropic summit]

sir, we both know nikke players do not read

best they can do is look at pictures

"Re-enter burst skill stage 2"

[ruby iris]

They need to go through 2 B2s to reach her

Blanc and bisc lmao, I hope that won't happen

[ruby iris]

Oh yeah I knew about that

I thought the treasure added some weird ability lmao

[next geyser]

i got Rumani, should she replace anyone? Also S Anis not in use? i have her

[hollow lagoon]

man when will i get to pull Sanis

[shell hazel]

might get a re-run but also new summer units right?

might get a better s.anis 😛

[ruby iris]

Can't wait for OS Anis

[umbral crown]

Fake news

[rich ledge]

is there any chance of winning against this person considering the deficit?

I tried scarlet as lead she got blocked, SBS doesnt have enough damage to see it through

[tropic summit]

2RL scar-trina
3RL indom emilia
3RL s.anis (indom or noah)

you need a minimun of 439k CP so you're at least in range CP wise

[rich ledge]

this?

[tropic summit]

hmm you're not getting trina buff there tho

[rich ledge]

ohh so no need indom then ill change blanc to rh and put it as the b1 burster

[tropic summit]

nah

you about to make a mistake there

[rich ledge]

oh yea RH would steal jackal

[tropic summit]

scarlet needs to be 1st or 2nd highes atk%, doublecheck your helmt and RH are not stealing that

[ruby iris]

These could work I guess

[tropic summit]

yep good boy, you learning

[rich ledge]

how anout mermaid? not as good as liter?

[ruby iris]

Maybe some incorrect positions that might feed a bit

[tropic summit]

siren or liter can work sure

care on CP afterward

scarlet 10/4/10
trina 4/7/7
siren 7/7/7

[rich ledge]

let see if it works

[tropic summit]

CP looks good, if you've enough investiment that should wipe

[tropic summit]

T1 good
T2 good
T3 very good, overkill with noah and jackal in same team, although SG weak
T4 average
T5 very good, although SG weak

[ruby iris]

Yeaaa thx

I can finally lose 3-0 with pride

[tropic summit]

well these have a chance alright

just hope you don't get unlucky with SG matchups

you're gonna hate losing noah or noise to SGs

[rich ledge]

didnt work unfortunately

[ruby iris]

Yeah let's hope for the best, thanks again

[tropic summit]

well that's strange, opponent is on B2 when they shouldn't

oh.

i think i know why, check your helmT s1 lvl @rich ledge

she needs to be treasure phase 2 and s1 lvl 10

[rich ledge]

she is tho

[tropic summit]

[umbral crown]

Or 2

[umbral crown]

[tropic summit]

le mystery

a 3RL, which becomes 2.5RL assuming CS% investiment, that somehow becomes 2RL

[slender flare]

@chilly furnace

[umbral crown]

Magic

[tropic summit]

dark powers at play

[rich ledge]

😦

[tropic summit]

how is that 2RL? @keen vapor @quick lake 🤔

[rich ledge]

the cubes im using on my side shouldnt matter much right? since im already 2RL

[tropic summit]

ye you're guaranteed 2RL

it's the opponent that is a tad strange

[umbral crown]

I think one of my teams have that trick on

[tropic summit]

i can already hear blood typing "it's RH piercing cover"

[umbral crown]

Tonoght have to set the teams but still not satisfied cookig is hard

[tropic summit]

that's the thing, can never be satisfied

even if we were able to run 2RL x5 teams, we wouldn't be satisfied because still weak to counters

[umbral crown]

Yeah

[rich ledge]

this person always comes and attacks me so i wanted to try haha

[tropic summit]

dunno it's strange, let's see what Rheax or Echo think

[umbral crown]

I was thinking 2 rl x3, 2.5 and 3 but then cs issues

[tropic summit]

[rich ledge]

if its a 2RL noah can only be counterd by a slow team that have damage after invuln of noah + biscuit

[umbral crown]

I still can do x3 2 rl but the rest burst issues

[tropic summit]

2RL indom s.anis or rosanna (murders RH and helmT)

[umbral crown]

Depends the dps

[solid flare]

this is 2 losses right?

[rich ledge]

I think i need a damage buff for anis to be able to do it but cant 2RL then

[tropic summit]

ye that's 2RL

s.anis needs to be burst lvl 9, no ammo OL, resil cube

[quick lake]

looks 2.5RL or smthing

[tropic summit]

2.5RL shouldn't block scar nuke tho

that's why i find it strange 🤔

[quick lake]

I think our team doesnt seem 2RL

helm to treasure? s1 not maxed?

[tropic summit]

seems like stage 3 s1 lvl 10

should be a natural 2RL even without quantum

[quick lake]

Oh damn, their helm is really fast

Mega cs% on their helm

[tropic summit]

inb4 21%CS helmT

[quick lake]

ya, really looks that way.

[coarse lake]

just enough cs for 2.5rl noah to block

[tropic summit]

wowie

[coarse lake]

stunning their noise does nothing

[tropic summit]

ye siren was just there for atk% and CP

more reasons to get helmT CS% uh

[quick lake]

Opponent Helm did their 3rd shot even before our Siren B1 effect came on

Pvp-er

[tropic summit]

[rich ledge]

dam my opponent is crazy

give up? Haha

[tropic summit]

well the s.anis option still stands

burst lvl9, 4OL, no ammo OL, resil cube

and a lot of hope and dreams

[rich ledge]

ok ill try and record it later i guess i have not enough damage, my sanis is 10,10,9

[tropic summit]

oh that's noice

what's her atk% OLs?

[quick lake]

Ya, would be nice to get another vid, this time if we could see our own burst bar

[rich ledge]

Not particularly high didn't specially roll I'll check. Ohh maybe the burst bar is outside cos i made a square window

[umbral crown]

[gaunt viper]

it was really close but their Moran lived with 1/4 health. if my Emi was stronger than maybe she would've killed her

[umbral crown]

Moran:not today little boi

Healed 2m

[unique wagon]

And people tell me their Emil Blanc without RH can kill Moran

Ckckckckck

[tropic summit]

moran on 4/4/4 blue doll probably

[umbral crown]

[tropic summit]

@visual yarrow @ionic urchin @pearl cave whoever it was of you, i'm here if you wanna (the msg was deleted so i don't remember which/who was)

[shell hazel]

damn ghost assistance 😄

[umbral belfry]

@spare brook forced them to delete it

[shell hazel]

Nekomata deleted themselves and then it spread like a virus!

[umbral belfry]

[shell hazel]

Hime you got your teams ready? locking in?

[rich ledge]

this is my s anis

thats the recording, 1st time I clicked away and didnt get the recording, had to use one of my free tokens

[solid flare]

Do i win these fights?

[rich ledge]

@quick lake @tropic summit

[tropic summit]

eh enemy is still around 2RL

must be that helmT CS% afterall

also DR from noise and noah with sustain is unfortunately too harsh on s.anis

[rich ledge]

so unbeatable right? haha I can only avoid then

[tropic summit]

@worthy knoll @swift mango ideas?

maybe more heads put together will find a solution

[rich ledge]

too bad Im missing critical noah not sure if she is needed here

[tropic summit]

well you could run a slightly different s.anis archetype

essentially stall but you've s.anis as B3 instead of their helmT

[rich ledge]

hmm s.anis is already b3, you mean to have my helm burst?

[tropic summit]

no the issue here is that they stall you too long with noah and noise

the idea is to have your own noah biscuit stalling

if s.anis has enough time, as you can see from the vid, once taunts run off, she'll chip away from helmt and RH

[rich ledge]

no noah 😦

[tropic summit]

yep

[rich ledge]

I draw mihara and mermaid hoping i can get off banner noah but nope, gives me more mihara and mermaid

[quick lake]

Blanc SAnis generally generally not enough to win Noah + Noise buffed opponents

Even RH SAnis sometimes cant imo

[tropic summit]

what options does he have tho?

unfortunately no rosanna or noah available

[rich ledge]

I have rosanna just not trained I think Ill have to focus on her when I get the chance next. hopefully they release somemore trash banners I dont have to train

[tropic summit]

she has a place in both sp arena and CA, would be well used

[rich ledge]

do you guys try to aim for 3% solo raid too? im like 5-6% now so im also spending resources to bring it up there

[shell hazel]

not much diff between 3% and 5% for rewards at least, like 100 gems?

you get a lot more consistent rewards in SPA vs solo raid focus

[rich ledge]

SPA already 2400-2700 gems category

[shell hazel]

especially where SPA is fighting people at your level, in SR I am competing with the mega whales and everyone else :p

yeah, twice per month. SR 1% or 3% you're like 1000 gems every month

main thing is the frames but I don't care that much

ideal invest for me is where a unit can apply to both pve and pvp without too much hassle. like with HelmT

[coarse lake]

someone ping the nikke deck guy, kept forgetting his name

[rich ledge]

yes of course all double use nikkes are first to be maxed

[shell hazel]

my raid units looking decidedly under-invested tbh 😄

[rich ledge]

how much must rosanna be built to be usable?

4,7,7 4 OL enough?

[quick lake]

Recommended 7/10/10 SR5 40%+ atk OLs

[umbral belfry]

I'm ready

Ready to see just how far rng and luck dooms me

I swear I'm lucky anywhere else but CA

[quick lake]

I hope im not too unlucky

[umbral belfry]

We're gonna be unlucky together trust

Losing in the first round

[quick lake]

Please no

[rich ledge]

thats too much 😖

[quick lake]

yeah. Unless u really want to pvp, can bench rosanna for now

[solid flare]

hello, @quick lake can i get some pointers for this CA?

[quick lake]

yep suree

[spare arch]

Hi there! Is there where I ask for pointers regarding teams in pvp arena?

[quick lake]

Feel free to ask here!

[spare arch]

Thank you! I’ve been trying to get a footing on the arena recently but I’m stumbling bad, just now I tried to make teams based on the prydwen recommendations but I’m one short and the other two are getting wiped!

I tried these teams but I don’t know where it’s going wrong

[quick lake]

Generally there's no perfect defence. Always likely to get cracked with enough pvp knowledge

[spare arch]

Well, those are my offense teams, I am completely clueless regarding defense

[quick lake]

Can refer to these teams in general for defence
#pvp-arena message

If u want specific team building, can send ur full roster sorted by cp

horizontal pls too

[spare arch]

Certainly! Thank you for being willing to help!

[quick lake]

Like general pointers?
Honestly building the current cookie cutter CA teams should take u far

[solid flare]

it takes way too long to redo the box

[spare arch]

It may but a stupid question but I have to ask, should I use different teams for offense and defense?

[solid flare]

this is what my box looks like sans siren and mihara, it was from abour 40 levels ago, so 2 months and a 10 day ago.

[dire root]

[solid flare]

no trina

Live box

[dire root]

Oh cool I'm number 1 in the bracket for the first time I think.

[solid flare]

only 15 cube is resilience(reload)

[quick lake]

Scar Laplace Drake Trina Jackal
Noah Centi Cindy THelm Noise
Blanc SBS Biscuit Viper Rumani

[solid flare]

im just trying to figure out how to deal with the mihara sac team

as i know siren stun on noise means i can burst through the cindy team.

[spare arch]

Viper?! I’m not complaining, I’m just excited that I never get to put her anywhere! Especially since she’s a rerenter burst!

[quick lake]

Mihara sac isnt really a real team. Too niche to matter imo

[spare arch]

Also, regarding the cubes, do I just put my strongest ones? I don’t want to abuse your kindness since you helped me this far, so you can ignore this question

Thank you, thank you, thank you for the help!

[quick lake]

no worries! Cube dont matter too much. Just put temperance cube on P1 units Scar and Noah. The rest, highest lv cube would be fine

[solid flare]

no, but ima wager 2rl scarlet into mihara is a loss

[quick lake]

We're not using her re-enter burst here sadly. Mostly as a CP pad slot

Love the commitment to treasure all fav item nikkes

[spare arch]

Well, she’s still really well built.

And I love the treasure stories, I find them sooo cute, Viper’s made me like her a whole lot more, Frima’s was the most relatable yet and Milk’s made me absolutely fall for her!

[quick lake]

Hehe yes! I just treasured Milk too

[quick lake]

This is probably the cookie cutter CA teams. Where T5 is a wild card

Pretty sure with decent investments and enough luck, its top 16

CA teams kinda boring these days

[lime night]

can anyone recommend a team against this?

i only have a solution for t3 using noah centi biscuit helm RH

[lone sequoia]

server?

blanc/ein
double buff scarlet
defender+biscuit (noah if you have her or bay, but depends in how strong is the enemy rh)
ez 3 wins

or ssrapi/blanc against DR team

[lime night]

whats DR team?

so a blanc emilia comp for team 1?

[lime night]

JP

[lone sequoia]

moran+nero+healer=dr team= damage reduction team

or just get your 2 wins with 2RL scarlet/trina/rh/clipRL/jackal against cindy team, but you need some cs to burst before enemy noise or they will reach full burst thanks to biscuit

the other option is to use scarlet/blanc+b1 buffer and rapu to fight T1

[lime night]

ill try this one thanks

[wheat heart]

Does Siren stun always hit P1 Noah in CA? Or can they beat it with 2RL?

[lone sequoia]

siren stun at 50 hits(?) the one who taunt and reach the hit count will be stunned

noah p1-noise p5 if noise have the priority and siren hit her 50 times, she will get stunned

[solid flare]

T2 is the only team im sure i can beat lol

anything with a noah in it

the problem is the noise, as its hella buffed, my teams have problems bursting it down/braeking throught its hp buff for the team.

stunning it is the best optoin as it makes the cindy burst hit way less hard.

are you sure about T1?

ah ok

sure, once the guy clims back onto 3rd place.

[tropic summit]

T3 missing B2

[coarse solstice]

Drop sugar for Viper every team needs more viper

[lime night]

thanks ill give this one a try

[tardy canopy]

Do you have suggestions to beat this team?
More or less same CP but I lost

[strange rain]

ca someone pls help me build teams for champion arena

[worthy knoll]

This done?

[wanton island]

poor morana rosanna and viper snubbed by harran

[tropic summit]

nope

[strange rain]

shes just in syncro lol for ranking

[wanton island]

even bay got snubbed by her

harran waifu?

i really do hope they fix isabel and harran. they don't deserve to be as useless as crow

[solid flare]

the defense changed/

[worthy knoll]

Hmm, doesn't a Noah Biscuit with an RH or Helm burst works for this?

[tropic summit]

noise and noah will taunt no? it's an enemy 2RL team

[worthy knoll]

Something like Noah Moran HelmT Laplace+ Biscuit I think should be fine 🤔

[tropic summit]

that outheals helmt and laplace?

enemy is bursting with helmT

[wanton island]

lol outheal helmT

[worthy knoll]

You just need to kill RH right?

[tropic summit]

oh you want to break their chain

[worthy knoll]

I mean the only killing factor for that team is an RH bursting second full burst

[lone sequoia]

ssrapi/blanc

[worthy knoll]

Else a Helm burst just itself isn't that deadly

[tropic summit]

well the lad doesn't have moran although the idea to survive 1st cycle and kill them before 2nd cycle is probably on point

[worthy knoll]

You can just Noah block it 2 RL wise too

[unborn latch]

In general how much does scarlet in p1 feed a team? enough to cover 1%?

[worthy knoll]

Another solution is a slow Cindy team

[tropic summit]

oh? what kind

[hushed kelp]

I see some people putting in bay for sg team, is it really worth replacing a b2 SG for survivability with bay?

[worthy knoll]

A 4 RL or better 5 RL kind that is protected by Biscuit and just let someone bait/take the Helm burst

Something like Blanc Cindy Biscuit Emi RH/RRH, but Emi should be the highest attack

[tropic summit]

hmm i see

yeah you'd absorb helmT nuke then wait till noah shield fades and land cindy nuke

that's worth probably a shot 🤔

[shell hazel]

@hollow lagoon mixed results lol, centi got indom once, one fight blanc failed to burst
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgoeq_XkZas

[worthy knoll]

Well if you can't do that Emi highest attack with RH/RRH, your B1 can just be Rouge too

[shell hazel]

my centi is basic OL only, no doll levels

[tropic summit]

sounds good, thank you merry

[hollow lagoon]

lol well good thing i'm not runnning it

actually it seems fine when it works

man i hate building indom

[worthy knoll]

Of course the RH one is better if you can do it, ensures someone hard hitting enemy P5 RH

[shell hazel]

indom without jackal I think is harder to control

you can build supports with hp cube and invest more to lower their chance of getting it as well

[hollow lagoon]

i'm too lazy

ill just

rolll with it

[shell hazel]

it can work, it loses to a more organised team I guess

but it's not awful at least

[solid flare]

t2 swap noah and centi

and it should be 2 wins T1 and T2

T2 does not wirk.

s anis needs more time to kill the other team

lap T does no damage lol

[hushed kelp]

LapT does good off burst dps if s2 is invested

Sanis may die in noah mirror match before she gets much damage off

[dire root]

Wow how loaded must their team be.

Such a massive combat power gap.

[lone sequoia]

that only work if people build ele in laplace, but with rh the base damage should be higher

RLs? emi

emi for base dmg; all the other units need ele to have more dmg

p1~3 pressure, emi
p1-p2 laplace
p1 pressure xmaiden

i like rh+emi off chain combo or just laplace or another RL+eledmg

but in atk SG are better to kill p1 units

my team use cindy/rh/emi in def

if you get high elemental dmg lines your team will be really strong

you need full cs and atk in OL

she is a unit that deal+60%dmg in charged atks

i think it was something like +290 for laplace and like 260% for emi

[dire root]

I don't think orignally 1st can take back 1st without spending gems, since I was in 1st when reset happened.

unless someone else does it.

[shell hazel]

well they can take it back without spending gems with 2 free tries, but if you can take it back they have to gem to have it on next reset

[dire root]

That is what I meant, I took it from them after they took it back so we trade again and they have no attempts left.

Of course my defense is terrible so I won't hold 1st for more then 5 minutes after that, but at least I kicked one person out of 1st.

[true tiger]

is there a way to test our team against other people without consuming SP battle chance ?

[shell hazel]

yeah defender advantage but being the king means a bounty on your head always 😛

anyone 2-4 can attack you

[dire root]

I just want like 3rd or 4th and hold that.

[dire root]

I mean the number of people who can attack you goes down as you rise so there is some saftey in being the king.

[placid bloom]

it's the same number of people that can attack you

[shell hazel]

think being top 6 or so limits to 3 above

not sure where the cut off into the 10-30 chaos is

[placid bloom]

well at least at chall 7 I think

[dire root]

Can't a bunch attack you in like dimaond? That was what I was talking about.

[placid bloom]

diamond 1 can only attack chall 8

[shell hazel]

yeah it was something like that for sure

oh win! 🙂

[placid bloom]

but like, you can get knocked from 1>4 and then from 4>7 and then 7>10 and then it's FFA

unless your defense walls off everyone below a certain point

[shell hazel]

yeah, I once saw a guy attack me at 1st spot, and later that day they were 30th 😄

[dire root]

I pulled midhara from a free pull, should have saved my millage.

[shell hazel]

damn, the free pulls may as well not exist for me, never get SSR on singles

[unkempt kestrel]

Does OL and CP matter in champions arena? I’ve been skipping it cuz I don’t have OL on most of my nikkes

[shell hazel]

OL does, CP does not

level sync, and no cp deficit

[unkempt kestrel]

Ok I’m not trying champion arena lmao

[placid bloom]

depends on which bracket you're in

[dire root]

I pulled a copy of Crown on a free pull.

[placid bloom]

the new player bracket can get away with no OL no doll

just need to place those in safer spots

[dire root]

Which kind of sucks, because out of all the pilgrims in the pull it pulled one of the ones I already had.

[unkempt kestrel]

I started last April so prob not

[umbral belfry]

I just stole all of your single SSR pulls today

[true tiger]

yo, my team 1 is having trouble winning (noise die too fast and can't burst so my team gets wiped) any tweaks I could do ?

[shell hazel]

you mean for all of my days 😄

[umbral belfry]

for rumaniiii

[tropic summit]

get noise SR doll, get her 4OL, move her to p5 and give her vigor cube

[dire root]

I don't understand why Rapi only had 2 bullets left in her mag, she wasn't shooting she should have reloaded in cover I switched to her during the invi QTE and failed it because she had 2 bullets.

[true tiger]

let maiden tank the hits ?

[tropic summit]

ideally you want to change that team into

noise centi cind helmt rumani

for a natural 2RL

running single B1 is generally a bad idea as enemy can abuse SG to drop them early

[true tiger]

noise p1 and rumani p5 ? (I don't have rumani xD)

[tropic summit]

the second best option would be adding pepper then, at least you get to burst

noise centi cind helmt pepper

[true tiger]

my pepper is used in team 2 tho

[tropic summit]

you're also noahless i take it?

[true tiger]

yes

[tropic summit]

hmm ouch

[true tiger]

got trina yesterday x)

[tropic summit]

show your box so we can get the full picture

maybe there's something else you're not using that could be used

[primal lichen]

does rosanna keep her stacks if you revive a Nikke?

[dire root]

Insane box

[true tiger]

I'm missing lot of nikkes

[dire root]

I consider my self ultra lucky if I pull 2 of the meta pilgrims.

Like insane luck

considering pilgrim molds keep failing

[true tiger]

xD I'm F2P

[tropic summit]

hmm let's see

[true tiger]

@dire root invi ?

[tropic summit]

@true tiger what's your xmaiden burst lvl?

[true tiger]

6

[dire root]

I thought I was typing in team building so I deleted it and moved.

[true tiger]

oh ok

[umbral belfry]

SR AR doll for my moran just before CA yippie

[shell hazel]

yep good doll drops today, some more RL blue ones and a purple doll for Noise to get her SR-5, purple MG doll for Rosanna for SR-5 there also

I can save the selector one for LapT

[tropic summit]

i'd go with this

T1: solves issue of single B1, adds stun threat, loses 0.5RL but gains a bit of CP
T2: unchanged
T3: changes to 3RL nuke

once noah and rumani are found, you can improve these

T3 should also gain CP btw, since we're using RRH and RH

[true tiger]

alright

I'll work on that, I need to ramp up the cp on team 2 a bit

I'm out of material to use to get gears to lv 5 to OL them

thx a lot

[shell hazel]

my CA teams, team 3 def looking ropey 😄

[true tiger]

CA = champion arena ?

[shell hazel]

yes

these are the sort of invested units I haven't used anywhere

[true tiger]

how do you enter that ?

[shell hazel]

top 4 in SPA (not just end position but end of season rank on points)

[true tiger]

ohh nice

[true tiger]

I'm on average 100 to 120 lmao

[shell hazel]

yeahhhh that won't get ya there 😄

if you ever take breaks you're bricked for ever competing in CA anyway

[true tiger]

I got on and off quite a lot so yeah, I'm done for

I got an average of like 600k cp on my side and all my enemies are around 1mil x) (diamon and platinium rank)

ain't no way I can go higher

[shell hazel]

yeha deadge

[atomic wolf]

blows

if anything i'd rather put red hood on the other team so that the 3rl team one has a slightly better chance to win than this

[umbral belfry]

3Rl scar?

oh wait 2.5

[shell hazel]

scar should get to 2RL with feed

[umbral belfry]

88% is a bit far no?

granted another team could get unlucky

[shell hazel]

it's 91-92% with quantum

[umbral belfry]

[shell hazel]

@tropic summit what about these minor adjustments for team 3 and 5?

team 3 is looking less ropey, team 5 is still part cope but it's still 3RL

if I put in clip SG instead of anchor it is more firmly into 3RL

which in this case would be uninvested maiden

or maybe Bay instead of Nero there in spot 1, neither are that invested

[umbral belfry]

Don't think Nero is worth if not invested

saw a lot of peeps in my bracket that failed that approach

[shell hazel]

Bay can cope def p1 maybe 😄

[atomic wolf]

need some thoughts on this

yes i have 2 rl teams, yes i have cindy grave team on all time

[umbral belfry]

p1 bay

[hushed kelp]

T5 rh is going to b1 instead of moran, dunno if that was intended but the whole team will be much squishier

[atomic wolf]

tf does bay do again

[shell hazel]

RH b1 is OK I think

attack boost for Helm

[umbral belfry]

blocks nukes (and cindy?) think for cindy she has to be faster and/or same.speed

[shell hazel]

Mana can come in instead of Anchor so bay can live twice

[atomic wolf]

ooh

[atomic wolf]

icic, i just got bay

[umbral belfry]

and has to be with moran or noise

[shell hazel]

or I put Moran as p1 and if she dies she dies

[umbral belfry]

I don't think bay 1 is a good idea bc she needs cover

[shell hazel]

if moran dies, mana res

and RH backup B1, but it does mean RH also B2

[umbral belfry]

[atomic wolf]

it doesn't matter if they have a b3 killer

helm outheals that shit

[umbral belfry]

[shell hazel]

bay will b2 here, moran can die and come back to life, mana can res (mana is weak to P5 SG)

but in theory this is relatively capable of bursting OK

[umbral belfry]

although mana pos5 is risky if you fight SG team. but what are the odds of that haha

[shell hazel]

well, they'll chomp mana quick but this team was always going to be fairly weak to SG I think

[umbral belfry]

chomp

[shell hazel]

alt would be focus burst on RH and use helm as battery, so RH in centre means can likely do all 3 bursts if needed

[atomic wolf]

also need someone to look at this

i want to know how viable it is

[shell hazel]

this team is very much cope team anyway 😄

[shell hazel]

rapunzel team 4 if she dies in p1 no burst

unbuffed rei T probably won't do all that much, may kill weak teams but not convinced anything beyond that

[atomic wolf]

i'll look at it again

[shell hazel]

similar issue on viper t5 imo

but RH can burst there

[atomic wolf]

it's actually intended

as long as ein burst i win

[shell hazel]

cindy p2 is not usually rec either, less bad than p1 but still

RH is acting as backup t5 same as mine so it's not critical, don't think rapu will survive long enough on 4 though

[atomic wolf]

team 4 is actually the one i'm abandoning

[shell hazel]

unless yours is core max SR-15 😄

[atomic wolf]

it's supposed to be the weakest team

[shell hazel]

could run rosanna sac like mine

[atomic wolf]

so if anything i would not be surprised if it dies

[atomic wolf]

then it has the problem of being 3.5

buut in fairness

her s2 makes up for it, so i just need to see who to replace

[shell hazel]

if p1 dies it's faster than 3.5 though

[atomic wolf]

yeah

[atomic wolf]

your rec?

[tropic summit]

T1: ok
T2: ok
T3: safer than before
T4: ok
T5: wait wut when did you have nero and moran built

[shell hazel]

I don't, but I think that the improvements to t3 are worth the try

[atomic wolf]

@tropic summitneed opinions as well

[tropic summit]

you're gonna make ppl bet on you even when that team will lose i see, real chess 4D 🤔

[shell hazel]

moran I can throw at the problem 😄

[atomic wolf]

i'll do daily in the meantime

[tropic summit]

unbuffed reiT is cope, but it has a bit of threat if anything

[atomic wolf]

i have moran but like i dont know how to use her

[tropic summit]

you slap her with bay or helmt or trina in p1

[shell hazel]

i'll give moran temperance cube 😄

[tropic summit]

then let her tank to heavens

[atomic wolf]

it is extremely cope, yes, as i've said yesterday i am willing to sack one team for the sake of team 1/2 being the strongest while team 3/5 being decent

[shell hazel]

temperance cope cube

[atomic wolf]

so, reiT team can potentially kills a filler team, but if it even comes to that, i have already won

it weighs down more on the ein and sbs team

supposedly i have not thought much of a way for sbs team to be counterplayed besides from cindy team which is extremely cancer

stall team is quite a possibility as well

[tropic summit]

T1 ok
T2 ok
T3 ok
T4 average
T5 ok

[atomic wolf]

Ein team loses to stall that's about it

[tropic summit]

i'd say this is a pretty good upgrade from your previous ones 🤔

[atomic wolf]

yeah, if team 4 is trash so be it

i mean previous one was just me chewing down on plastic while listening to jpop

[tropic summit]

haha yeah

[atomic wolf]

if anything

[shell hazel]

which version of T5 do you prefer Rail?
#pvp-arena message
or
#pvp-arena message

[atomic wolf]

i should put moran on team 4, not to actually like win

but so that it wastes the opponent's time

[shell hazel]

I have to leave Nero out for now I think, my moran has a basic doll and a few skills, so I'll main her instead with Bay

[atomic wolf]

does moran requires 3rl to be viable

is it alright to do 3.5

[tropic summit]

the first one, as it allows you 2 cycles

moran bay helmt
moran rh rh (or rh rh rh depending on ur speed)

[shell hazel]

np, think the battle with that team will be over in 1 cycle though 😄

[tropic summit]

depends

[shell hazel]

but I guess no harm in having redundancy baked in

[tropic summit]

if you meet an equal stall team it may not

[shell hazel]

true enough

[tropic summit]

having a 2nd cycle available improves ur odds on that front

[atomic wolf]

if i dont win by first cycle

i might as well lose 🗣️ 🔥

[shell hazel]

there isn't a great one here p2 is vulnerable, unbuilt Anis SR won't survive long here

2RL so maybe works OK as is

[atomic wolf]

tsk

yeah its a pure glass cannon team

half expected someone would say that

[shell hazel]

rumani could go there but I don't have her not sure how she works in p2?

[atomic wolf]

let's just say that it makes 3rl team becomes 2rl

[shell hazel]

don't think it's normally a good idea to put your b1 that close to the front

[atomic wolf]

and we lose

[shell hazel]

yeah, so maybe try as is unless rail has a better idea

[atomic wolf]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/348200139598462978.webp?size=48&name=roger

[tropic summit]

what team we talking about there?

[atomic wolf]

cindy team

[tropic summit]

ye that cindy team best win within their burst cycle

else ripperoni

[hollow lagoon]

@shell hazel how’s the solo raid been treating u

[shell hazel]

good thanks 🙂
got purple MG and RL doll which I actually needed so a win

[hollow lagoon]

I got sr and… ar?

[shell hazel]

and I can use selector for next one freely

I needed AR last time for blanc, and SMG for siren

[hollow lagoon]

Ar tho do I use on privity or grave

[atomic wolf]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1363188033813352710.webp?size=48&name=CindyRelaxed

YOU KNOW WHAT I'M GONNA SAY

[shell hazel]

brb I need to jump to the supermeerkat before it closes on me

[covert lintel]

will this work?

[atomic wolf]

building pandemonium

[atomic wolf]

oh

[hollow lagoon]

Probity is just -ammo stick I suppose

[atomic wolf]

pains me that i have her costume

[hollow lagoon]

Grave I don’t use too often but she’s Cinderella and Siren’s mom so…. Gift’s gotta gift

I kinda like base more

[atomic wolf]

however it's gonna take me FOUR MORE GODDAMN DAYS

to put them together

[atomic wolf]

cinderella's mom

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1368812390006652998.webp?size=48&name=CrownEyebrows

[hollow lagoon]

[atomic wolf]

maaybe

[hollow lagoon]

[tropic summit]

is that 2RL? because you're taunting in p2

[atomic wolf]

using alice for damage is baller

[tropic summit]

snipers on attack are actually interesting, as they'll hit p5 unless taunted

can screw up some comps because of targeting

[atomic wolf]

they odn't follow the usual attack pattern?

interesting, explains why sometimes my p5 got clipped

[hollow lagoon]

Breh idk my teams aren’t exactly good either @shell hazel knows I sent him my homebrew

[tropic summit]

when attacking:

your own SGs shoot p1, snipers shoot p5

when defending:

your own SGs shoot p5, snipers shoot p1

[atomic wolf]

oh that's why defend sucks ass

[tropic summit]

defense is best for SGs

because your p1 can get skipped entirely if enemy is running 4 SGs

[atomic wolf]

that's is rather disgusting ngl

[tropic summit]

the real headaches of CA:

-SGs teams
-siren
-2RL teams
-rosanna in general
-actual good sodas
-actual good nero/moran

[atomic wolf]

does this apply to other arena?

oh i'm sure the siren sbs team is gonna be very funny

[tropic summit]

ye that's for all pvp modes, rookie, sparena, CA

[atomic wolf]

that

is gonna make me rethink about my sp arena defense comp

[covert lintel]

yes
i'm afraid noah died easily in p1 because she is still *1

[tropic summit]

oh should be fine then

[atomic wolf]

bro is running two quantum on this

[hollow lagoon]

Should prob adju cube

[covert lintel]

my quantum will be lv15 after this SR

[hollow lagoon]

Would also switch Noah cuz killing Noah in 2RL is rough

[atomic wolf]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1122534701131890771.webp?size=48&name=uncanny

[tropic summit]

think he just forgot to remove them

[atomic wolf]

i am making the grave disgust face right now

that alone disgusts me so much that i threw up

Q15 is borderline psychopath

[hollow lagoon]

Level 15 quantum?

Meh my highest cube is 7

[valid fern]

someone finally attacked me

[atomic wolf]

aint noooo way i'm doing 10 let alone 7

[hollow lagoon]

Wow

Dis guy is worse than me

[tropic summit]

tell them to join this discord, we can help them

[covert lintel]

he doesn't need it, he got all cheer win frame

[tropic summit]

[valid fern]

All they really have to do is copy any of my CA teams. I have not updated my SPA teams in months and they're still unoptimized because I did not want anyone knowing my CA teams by looking at my SPA teams.

[tropic summit]

oh ye knowledge is power

that's smart

[hollow lagoon]

I have it too but I didn’t really do a analysis for dis

[covert lintel]

cindy become bench this time
let's see my lover alice's performance

[hollow lagoon]

One of my team got taken out by Alice

Stalled my indom team

[shell hazel]

I wanna win at least once if I can but after that I think actually CA is a good chance to mess about with comps some

if you're always in top 4 SPA then you'll be pretty frequently in CA anyway

having a chance to throw in some cope teams 😄

[hollow lagoon]

My comp dis round is still sort of competitive

[shell hazel]

guy in 3rd in my SPA def whalin some, bit like you got dupes of most of the units I can see 😛

every time I check they've gained some more CP

if I make it into the top 64 again I'm just going to vote for myself until I get the frame for winning all my cheers I think

[swift mango]

It's depend on what he have, he could just 2rl Scarlet wipe it even.

[tropic summit]

the 2RL scar failed because appearently that team hits 2RL

appearently their helm is on enough CS% to let noah hit shield in time to block nukerino

[swift mango]

We need teams on 2rls

[tropic summit]

the dream

[shell hazel]

5 teams on 1RL

[swift mango]

Emi 2rl

[swift mango]

Also, first, turn off that min bullet option.

[tropic summit]

eh would it matter in that? they're not running MGs/ARs

[swift mango]

It may make his HelmT faster, who knows.

But use 2rl Emi.

Or Blanc+highest attack bait+Rumani+Biscuit+Cindy

If it 2rl

[oblique ridge]

Not 3 digits days ago?

[swift mango]

[raven plover]

https://tenor.com/view/woody-woody-toy-story-sora-kh3-kh-gif-27223516

[vast bough]

does anyone know where it is best to find team comps for the SP arena?

[crystal flicker]

#pvp-arena message

[coarse lake]

@lusty gull base emilia gen is bugged, it's higher than 21% cs emilia

[hollow lagoon]

where

[tropic summit]

why stop at 1RL, make them 0RL

[coarse lake]

egg treasure trust

[queen patio]

@tropic summit it worked. i've dethroned him. his dynasty in my rookie arena bracket is officially over

thank u sensei

[tropic summit]

haha good job glad it worked out

[shell hazel]

-1 RL?

they burst before the match starts and win before anything is shown

[tropic summit]

[dire root]

What is taking so long? my defense is shit.

[spiral onyx]

I don't think Siren is a major problem. It just means people can't run P1 Scarlet anymore and don't run 3RL P1 B1 or 2.5RL P1 B2. These can be worked around

[tropic summit]

2RL B2 and B3 p1 aswell

it's limiting a lot of options, so it's not a tiny problem, but neither a major problem

also noah can be anywhere, if she has taunt priority and siren is in p1 or p2, she'll get stunned (splash aggro)

[raven plover]

[tropic summit]

[vapid lake]

[hushed kelp]

For this team, i was planning to invest in sanis collection for more atk and survivability. Do i need to be concerned about her not getting blanc indom?

[vapid lake]

Vigor cube on biscuit if u're scared

But should be fine

Biscuit the only one that might steal indom

Besides running into 5 shotguns shooting xmaiden

[hushed kelp]

Thanks! Biscuit without adjutant drops me to 3RL though so maybe i just need to reroll OLs for cs

So she can have vigor cube instead

[vapid lake]

No just swap rumani and biscuit cube

[hushed kelp]

I mean biscuit doesnt have 17% without adjutant

[hushed kelp]

Biscuit will keep xmaid invincible against SG for a little bit

[vapid lake]

its ok the shotguns should be stuck shooting xmaiden forever

Unless they have a super invested screenwipe in that team

[wanton island]

im just gonna pay someone $100 to login my account and give me a decent pvp team

@tropic summit youre up

lol

[jagged sedge]

how can I estimate how to have 2rl?

[umbral crown]

still what?

[wanton island]

https://nikke-deck.web.app/

[crystal flicker]

He really brainded out cp me lmao

[swift mango]

I can give you discount 10$ discount.

[wanton island]

i dont trust neckbeards

tbf... youre pretty knowledgeable though

[swift mango]

Your loss

[swift mango]

Too much CP gapped.

could try I guess

[wanton island]

he gonna get gapped with that kinda cp gap... anyway. are you in the states?

[swift mango]

not

[wanton island]

i ask only for zelle vs paypal

paypal? pretty sure you don't take a check

[swift mango]

Didn't know you was serious about it.

[swift mango]

[wanton island]

oh yeah

[dire root]

I'm not sure if I need RH's B1 to get the damage needed to wipe or at the very least stop their burst by killing biscuit.

Ah this is a defict.

I need more combat power before I attempt this.

Yeah RH's B1 is needed, Rei T is just too weak without it

[hollow lagoon]

dat's a rip m8

[hollow lagoon]

Can’t be dat hard bruh

[wanton island]

with cubes and everything else, it is pretty complicated

[jagged sedge]

Does noise's burst boots cindy's damage?

[hollow lagoon]

Wot nikkes u even have

[wanton island]

yes

[hollow lagoon]

Boosts Cindy’s normal atk but not the aoe

[jagged sedge]

Gotcha

So good pair then

[wanton island]

i wont go through every nikke

[hollow lagoon]

I’m actually not totally sure on dis because the wording on skill one

It might boost it

[hollow lagoon]

No Nero?

No rapunzel?

[hollow lagoon]

Have rumani and Centi?

[hollow lagoon]

Well bro u can literally just run my set

[wanton island]

was hoping for a more curated setup instead of copying winners of the last champ arena

[tropic summit]

if noone makes you a team in the next hours ping me again when i wake up, 3AM gonna hit the sack

[wanton island]

night then

[hollow lagoon]

I mean ur welcome to homebrew

[wanton island]

i just wanna see what rail can come up with tbh

its worth to me

"if you had this account... what would you do?"

[hollow lagoon]

I would run precisely what I’m running

Since it looks like we have similar units

[wanton island]

mad respect to you winning first champ arena, but im curious about something else

[hollow lagoon]

I didn’t win first

[oblique ridge]

I just copied a top 4 team from the finished season

We see how far I go.

[hollow lagoon]

I won second

[wanton island]

2nd

[oblique ridge]

I'm more unhappy with not getting my cheers right though

[wanton island]

yeah. i remember

[oblique ridge]

[hollow lagoon]

I got second in first and first in second

[swift mango]

copy hobo team

[oblique ridge]

This time, surely And surely I won't accidentally sabotage someone else's cheers with my bad predictions

[oblique ridge]

I couldn't find Hobo

[hollow lagoon]

Bro I get uncheered so hard last season during top 8

[wanton island]

urwhat got shit on hard but i supported him 100% til he won it all first champ arena

so many times they thought he would lose

lol

[hollow lagoon]

I think during 1 match it was 22% me and 78% other guy

man idk

[wanton island]

you won it?

[hollow lagoon]

Ya ofc

[wanton island]

ahahha hell yeah

[hollow lagoon]

To be fair I’m commander level 350 something the other guy was 380

[swift mango]

@raven plover so searching you history was a fing lie.

[oblique ridge]

Maybe I was too lazy

[covert lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/smile-monkey-smile-grin-i-like-it-look-gif-18164863249626364100

[wanton island]

story of my life

[oblique ridge]

Tbh since it's basically RNG who wins as long as they bring similar quality comps

The big issue is whether we even have the right investment Nikkes to successfully copy

Like try to copy Keripo's 20% chspd team

Ain't going to have the same results when I'm using a 0% chspd team

That's why I avoided the champions and picked someone in the top 4 or 8 that looked like I could actually copy the teams

[coarse lake]

why would you copy keripo? he's not a champ, so his teams must not be good /s

[swift mango]

LB1 i guess

[coarse lake]

but yeah at a certain point moving higher is literally just luck

[covert lintel]

hobo investment is so much lower than keripo

[coarse lake]

some teams you can increase winrate with high invest, but some teams you really can't adjust it by that much

but it's still losing to a hard counter regardless of invest

[swift mango]

that why copying him would be sure champ.

He just built different

[coarse lake]

what you need to copy is team positions of the common top rankers

[coarse lake]

that's where the actual skill ceiling for champ is at, predicting what orders are best

[oblique ridge]

Pretty much

Though it does suck if your prediction was going to win you the champion, but some random Yolo with Noah avatar beats you in groups because they deez nutted their comps and it hard countered your thoughtful placements...

[umbral crown]

pull issues then

[swift mango]

I predicted you predicted to my prediction.

[oblique ridge]

And then tiebreaker cheats you

Idk, we'll find out if anyone's daring enough to try it in CA soon

But yes it can be doomed if enemy team is SGs and they all shoot someone else.

Among other possibilities for failure

[swift mango]

That's my noah as well.

[covert lintel]

no, it's silver mileage's fault for not give me noah

[umbral crown]

so you 2 have noah issues?

[umbral crown]

[covert lintel]

it has been 2 weeks

[leaden canyon]

Rocking that now

Should I burst with B.soda or drake

Siren got xanne there

Also blanc with temp cube and SR 5 doll should hopefully live

You know this whole time I never knew the wording was attacker ally

alright drake p1, siren p2

[raven plover]

https://tenor.com/view/what-burger-how-wtf-чзх-gif-25552254

[raven plover]

at 3 RL, no

you can make it

xmaid, emi, blanc, redhut, laplas

[leaden canyon]

alrighty

I made it top 8 last time and the blanc team had sbs p1 and should would always die

[covert fractal]

What's the best team for pvp?

[leaden canyon]

Hood burst follow up would usually work though

[wanton island]

yes....and noah

[coarse solstice]

Soda ScarJack

[wanton island]

beats noah?

[raven plover]

also move centi t4 to p5 to prevent SG
can move rapu p2 so biscuit doesnt explode from laplace auto atk

[coarse solstice]

Yep Noah taunts Sodas Stun

Unless there is a secondary taunter

[wanton island]

gimme your rookie team to play in mine

i wanna try this

its elruth obviously

[coarse solstice]

I don't have Soda built so I just cheese with siren

[wanton island]

gimme 2 teams to play with. i got rookie tickets melting

[wanton island]

thank you sir

i just wanna see how they do raw tbh

[coarse solstice]

For sure. It's a cool team. Here is my rookie defense

[wanton island]

wait... REGULAR soda?

not bunny soda?

[raven plover]

https://tenor.com/view/good-luck-gif-24090093

[raven plover]

yes soda stun 2 random units. the stun can be taunted

[wanton island]

/cries in trash cp

ima try it

lemme record for your entertainment

[jagged sedge]

Would Maiden's skill 2 work with Rossana?

[wanton island]

worked on a relative newb

failed on someone semi competent though....

tbf my soda is dumpster invested

[coarse solstice]

P3 siren is a really solid counter to this strat actually good stuff to know

[wanton island]

no gear either

i used a naked soda

yeah. she was told to sit in a corner and make a sammich

[raven plover]

was gonna say put soda p1 but shes not linked

[wanton island]

soda linked?

[coarse solstice]

W/ jack

[wanton island]

oh

[wanton island]

ima try this one to troll rookie

[coarse solstice]

Been almost a week since someone has attacked me. Not even CP padded. Against most of the top 10

[wanton island]

elruth i let be #1 due to lack of interest in rookie and your team destroyed him

so funny to watch weird teams win stuff

[wanton island]

you try a midhara team yet?

i keep hearing midhara sacrifice team

[raven plover]

no looks unstable

[rich ledge]

i can win these 2?

[wanton island]

i agree. doesnt seem right

[wanton island]

cp alone says no, but i aint a pvp wizard

[coarse solstice]

Most likely win scarlet match up since your faster and she is protected. I think you lose the first one. Same speed and you might lose rumani

[rich ledge]

scarlet blocked by noah why?

[coarse solstice]

Weird, maybe CS lines? 17% helm makes them 2.5 rl

[graceful grotto]

a 17% CS helmT makes a huge diff lol

[covert lintel]

just always think anything involved helmT and noah is at least 2.5rl

[rich ledge]

hmm how can I counter? Can I change to beat him?

[graceful grotto]

normally against this team, just noah + continuous dmg like sbs/sanis

[rich ledge]

i dont have noah

[final wedge]

still da best....2nd is Emilia with 38% CS

dat raw burst gen is way too good for helm

[graceful grotto]

then you can just use blanc + indo a cont dps

[graceful grotto]

indeed...

meanwhile my helm: < 10% CS

[rich ledge]

my team 2 is already using blanc tho

[graceful grotto]

time to change her build

[rich ledge]

i thought quantum doesnt have much effect on helm?

[crystal flicker]

2.5RL B2 naturally is 3.24, Noah at 3.32
So this team roughly is 2.3RL, makes Noah buff proc at 3.12RL just enough to get Immune b4 Scarlet

[coarse solstice]

Brutal

[graceful grotto]

against T2 (opponent blanc), just use Rumani + Cindy + Siren + Biscuit + Maiden (you'll stun blanc and red hood will die from lack of indo)

use blanc + cont against T3

[crystal flicker]

How to win? just get more CS

I can bring more detail calc but I'm lazy lmao

[graceful grotto]

what's the highest CS roll again?

[crystal flicker]

24% ish

[final wedge]

every single time i see 2.5RL above 110%....idk why but i feel wasted .....i need to get rid of dis feeling of saying "its not efficient" and start lookin on the overall team building winrate

[crystal flicker]

24.36%

[graceful grotto]

so 6% per stats max