pvp-arena

[fiery parcel]

Uploading. Slow mode

[lusty pelican]

u mean the gif?

[umbral crown]

si

[swift mango]

Oh that was Centi,not Trina

[fiery parcel]

How about this one?

If i beat this team, I'll be challenger 1. Woohoo. Maybe got chance to join CA next season lol

Thanks. That did it. Now to see how long i can stay here

[lusty pelican]

may i also ask for this? (read top down)

alright np man, u alr helped me alot ❤️

[swift mango]

R
L
R
?
?
Vote right.

[lusty pelican]

okii thanks man

[swift mango]

It's probably
R
L
R
?
L

I would vote right. That said, left is fine too.

[sage burrow]

ok surely i get this one correct

aint no way i put the right side t4 and t5 in and it returns "basically never"

[swift mango]

Right Team 4 can probably be 3rl. Right Team 5 won't burst

[sage burrow]

ok cool so left wins

if i lose this bet im just gonna go outside

[swift mango]

That's a freaking 2RL Emi. Somebody somehow use a 2RL Emi and gonna win.

[sage burrow]

which one's 2rl?

[swift mango]

The left Emi team.

[sage burrow]

did i put in something wrong-

where would i even guess quantums

[swift mango]

It's 2.5RL with 2-3 quantum but 2RL if Red Hood pierce once. So basically RNG.

[sage burrow]

i dont doubt you but is that something you can rely on in situations like these ?

this match is basically as good as done

[swift mango]

You can't really count on luck to win but it's fully random so both sides have a chance to lose here...

Bet on left though.

[sage burrow]

of course

[crystal flicker]

What are the chances of sync 521+ to have fully invest PvP team? (+17%cs on most & max lv Quantum)

Like Lap+ with 17% cs can make 3RL change to 2.5 or even 2RL

[merry agate]

Left attack, right defence.
I think left win?

[crystal flicker]

Bro really using invested SSakura as a sacc

[urban tiger]

Hope it turned out good, was at work couldn’t help check

[crystal flicker]

Heck it's not even a sacc coz she's linked

[swift mango]

high

[crystal flicker]

So I'll put all cs17% and Max QCube for D1 calc

Thx!

[swift mango]

but if you see blues doll and super low cp, probably not

[spiral onyx]

I personally like to assume all my opponents have full 17% and all quantum cubes. That way, no surprises

[limber rampart]

Hi! Anyone there can help me make a new defend comp? anyway can counter noah-biscuit team?

[crystal flicker]

Are we rolling 17% cs on Rapunzel

[crystal flicker]

Noah Biscuit is depend on how fast they are, and imo the most reliable way is... to use Noah and block Nuke or Blanc + Scarlet / Emilia

[umbral crown]

[ionic ledge]

Need advice on these, or is my power too much lower haha. I'm 300-400k under across the board lol.

[umbral crown]

skip that boi

[lusty pelican]

tbh i dont know too lol im wondering too

[umbral crown]

[quick lake]

[umbral crown]

[chrome shuttle]

Any strats against these teams?

[swift mango]

Siren.

[quick lake]

2RL Siren Scar Trina
2RL Helm

[crystal flicker]

Can that bottom P3 wipe Cindy comp b4 they're burst?

[chrome shuttle]

I'll see what I can do.

[swift mango]

no

[placid bloom]

no.

[quick lake]

Pretty close imo. U could win

Okay, maybe not. Slim chance

[swift mango]

That Helm p2 vs Noah+Biscuit. Helm 100% lose.

[quick lake]

I thought that as well before my opponent Helm sniped my Biscuited Moran to death

[merry agate]

@quick lake help pls

[swift mango]

Noah taunt without needed to burst. There is no sniping here. If moron got snipe when she burst and taunt you could still process with the burst chain. If Moran too slow you could lose though.

[quick lake]

i think right might win, but pretty close imo. Not certain

[muted stag]

Team 2 lost help (killed emillia but not RH)

[quick lake]

True

[muted stag]

@quick lake should I use xanne instead of centi/rh?

[swift mango]

Same speed Cindy also "taunt" HelmT with her decoy. J4yi.

[crystal flicker]

So it become something like this

[swift mango]

Cindy counter many niche comp by herself.

[crystal flicker]

[swift mango]

P4 Emi team has a chance to win if Scar can't wipe RH and she burst with Blanc on.

[quick lake]

T1: Rumani Biscuit Cindy THelm Centi
T2: Scar Trina Centi flex Jackal
T3: Ignore

[crystal flicker]

How they're survive that Scar Nuke tho

[quick lake]

ur CA cook

[crystal flicker]

Scar cast at 3.16 and Indom at 3.24

[swift mango]

I remember you had to clenched hard with Ein won at 1% HP against that Cindy team which can't burst.

[placid bloom]

p4 looks winning for bot no? Indom Emilia

hmm

depend on charge speed I guess

[swift mango]

My ReiT + Rosa performed better and won against 2rl Jack+SBS+Blanc.

yesterday

Product 23 my beloved

[crystal flicker]

Actually if they're bursting from Blanc/RH ammo, they can reach this
(5.6% extra gen at 2.50, making Indom cast at 3.099, just right before Scarlet)

[swift mango]

Doro would be proud of her Pinne finally Meta worthy. But gonna bet my ass for saccing her.

[crystal flicker]

AR in SP is 16ammo/s?

[swift mango]

not gonna happening. Unless lots of cs.

[worthy knoll]

I already have those when I was not yet sync 400

[placid bloom]

shouldn't be, even in PvE AR is 10/s

[crystal flicker]

It's day 1 CA bracket

[swift mango]

You max quantum at not yet synch 400. must be power of friend ship.

[placid bloom]

21 ammo at 2RL is 10/s

[worthy knoll]

On not max lvl 15 quantum but at least level 3 in skill, at most just lvl 10-11 quantum. Would have been max by now if I didn't focus on tempura

[swift mango]

not enough power of friendship

[worthy knoll]

I didn't needed that much quantum nowadays, I think I prefer adjutant now

[crystal flicker]

I don't remember this tbh, I'm getting old

[swift mango]

That's why Hobo beat you.

[worthy knoll]

Hobo? It was Dante who beat me last time

[swift mango]

But Hobo is champ so he basically beat everyone including you.

[worthy knoll]

Well CA is matter of luck, I didn't bother with building units now. I had to focus on UR lines

[swift mango]

No enough power of friendhsip.

[worthy knoll]

Just trying to get ele atk ammo on AsukaW and Siren got me hives

[muted stag]

I have siren also if needed for team 1

[crystal flicker]

Siren is PvP niche

[muted stag]

There’s 2 centi also

[muted stag]

T2 use emillia instead of centi?

[crystal flicker]

They really don't have faith in me lmao

[swift mango]

U are rin? Gg

[crystal flicker]

What

There's someone in #team-building named Rin too

[swift mango]

So u are CN name?

[crystal flicker]

No

[swift mango]

So you lost?

[crystal flicker]

It's not even started

I'm RIN, but there's other RIN in #team-building

[swift mango]

I mean, you lost out of CA.

[crystal flicker]

I qualified this time

[swift mango]

So you are RIN. Gg

[crystal flicker]

Rail said it's gonna be 4-1, but cheer don't believe in my comp lmao

Should I prio La+ over Dr+?

[gaunt viper]

Advice on who would win? Left is attacking.

[swift mango]

@crystal flicker

T2: If Blanc ded before you burst, you lose. Otherwise, you could still lose to life steal+Dr+Heal.

T4: Like I said before you have a tiny chance of losing.

T5: you likely will lose because you burst first in a Cindy vs Cindy duel and LapT deal higher dmg than HelmT.

You could still high chance losing 3/5

[crystal flicker]

That's theissue

T2 Blanc solo
T4 is a win
T5 rng time

I'd win T2 if I have faster gen

[swift mango]

Better check RH core and doll level. Sometime they just out invest you and survived.

[quick lake]

can swap RH with xmaiden or laplace ba, other than that good to go

[crystal flicker]

NaH

[crystal flicker]

SR15 C0 OL lv1

You know what, what IF P3 gets promoted to 3RL from sacc and Rosa Nuke Scarlet instead

[swift mango]

With that feed Scarlet will be 2rl.

You will need to pray that scarlet ded to SG.

[crystal flicker]

Yeh, I thought She'll die after her link is gone

[calm gull]

good luck

[near obsidian]

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[atomic wolf]

WTF

XDDDD bro talking gang shit i cba

[swift mango]

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[patent knot]

What are the best team comps for SP arena? I have one comp atm being: Noah, Noise, Scarlet, Jackel, and Rapunzel.
can readjust that comp if something better comes in

[near obsidian]

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[patent knot]

I kinda just followed a guide for regular area a while ago I believe noise was there for a reason but cant recall why since I'm not much of an arena person

usually I just ask/look up what are the best team comps and call it a day

[crystal flicker]

best comp is 3 x 2RL comp

situational best, but can beat most comp

[near obsidian]

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[patent knot]

fair

[patent knot]

sorry for being a little slow but wdym by the 3 part ik 2rl is 2 rocket launchers but not sure about that pt

[crystal flicker]

3 very fast burst team

[quick lake]

All ur pvp team building is here
#pvp-arena message

[quick lake]

can reference these
#pvp-arena message

My propaganda SPA teams

[crystal flicker]

That's the generic sheets

[primal charm]

Cindy comp got nerf when chat

[quick lake]

It was a shadow nerf on one of the updates

[primal charm]

What is it? Dmg or speed of her beam

[quick lake]

Her dmg no longer snapshots ie delayed in a sense. Blocked by Noah shield now

2RL Cindy gets blocked by 3RL Noah

previously wouldn’t get blocked

[primal charm]

Such a disaster to my kween

[crystal flicker]

Can 2RL Noah block 3RL Cindy?

[quick lake]

Should be able to

[spiral onyx]

Went through my rematch footage slowly. Here's a clip of my Rosanna literally 1-shotting the enemy C7 Treasured Drake lol. Don't underestimate the power of Rosanna!

Also confirming that in CA, Siren stun can happen right before 3RL's B1 (see stunned Blanc)

[crystal flicker]

Is this 4xBlack atk lines?

[rapid escarp]

that had to have been a crit XD

[spiral onyx]

Another important observation: Chargespeed matters even for 2RL. What you see here is two 2RL teams facing off but thanks to charge speed lines on all my RLs, my 2RL Cindy team's Noah has already burst before their 2RL Jackal bursts

[spiral onyx]

No, 38.8% atk. All black would be 56%+

[spiral onyx]

No crit. Crits are in orange, thats white

[crystal flicker]

I'm not that far

[rapid escarp]

ur tellin me the drake had 2.5m hp?

[crystal flicker]

Might use Rosa more often

[spiral onyx]

At lvl 400 with maxed out gear, attackers have 2.8mil HP. Meaning that Drake was not wearing full +5 OL gear

but with full black OL lines, that 2.48mil would become 2.792mil. Add in a max doll and you're still 1-shotting lol

which just tells me that I need to max my Rosanna's doll next

[quick lake]

Rosanna still cant OHKO if opponent is wearing SR15 doll

[spiral onyx]

That Drake is treasured, aka SR15 doll lol

[quick lake]

Low invest drake

[rapid escarp]

I was surprised, cuz my treasure drake is already at 2.3m HP at 330 sync

idk hp scaling

[spiral onyx]

You can use Blabla to get the numbers

then add on stats from doll and gear manually

[crystal flicker]

Let's cook 4x black ATK Rosa

I'll watch my sacc comp again to see if she 1 shot enemy dps

[spiral onyx]

Id rather use my rocks on making 38% Emilia

On an unrelated note, here's another example of why you need to run Scarlet Jackal rather than just Scarlet without Jackal. SAnis should have easily died from Scarlet's counter-attack
https://youtu.be/-ivaLTixhsw?si=bNyFpMzwWmCFUgIE&t=308

Here's another example of my Rosanna 1-shotting both Drake and Harran
https://youtu.be/-ivaLTixhsw?si=ApUC79KwagsUGxL6&t=373

BSoda didnt even land her AoE

[rapid escarp]

btw @spiral onyx is there more to the top/left=attacker and bottom/right=defense theory in CA? I noticed last tournie that around the final matches, the roles were getting inconsistent, even sometimes alternating between fights

i cant help but feel its super random

[spiral onyx]

Here, my 2.5RL team's Siren is about to B1 burst but the stun already takes effect. So also confirming that Siren can stop a 2.5RL team's P1 B1 potentially

[dire root]

Wait is jackal linked to Crown? lol I would have assumed it would have been SBS and Helm T that had the jackal link.

[spiral onyx]

This was just a theory based on limited data. If there's examples disproving it, that just means the theory is incorrect and we are back to the guessing game. Cause its not written anywhere in the game, we're just guessing.

[spiral onyx]

Shouldn't be Crown, especially given the core count

[dire root]

Ah ok, Crown P5 just confused me a bit, Wouldn't have Helm been better in P5 or no?

[spiral onyx]

Not entirely. Jackal link isn't always a good thing

Its good with Scarlet because of Scarlet's counter-attack

in other setups, it could be a detriment by helping kill your entire team faster lol

but in this case, putting your sole B2 in P5 is also a dumb move

overall, that whole team order is just bad. Someone clearly just threw random units in without thought about the importance of ordering lol

Ordering usually doesn't matter in PvE so its not surprising that a lot of people don't understand its importance in PvP

[dire root]

Btw 70% cheered for the other right?

It's hard to tell if they looked at the teams and cheered that way or just cheered for higher level.

[dire root]

Bad team orders you say

[spiral onyx]

Damn, I clearly underestimate the power of XMaiden. She's hits hard (one by one)
https://youtu.be/-ivaLTixhsw?si=drBy9ClX9nWpfmI-&t=474

[rapid escarp]

the majority of ppl dont think much before wagering. Last tournie it was mainly the higher CP that determined the favored player, this tournie maybe influenced more by last tournie's placement?

[dire root]

I think FRGFF made it to the final fight last time.

[rapid escarp]

oh lol, then i guess not much has changed

[spiral onyx]

oh, here's a Rosanna crit. 4mil lmao. Poor Noir had no chance

[dire root]

I got screwed by deficit being gone and shift up not saying anything

first cheer had such a massive combat power difference

[calm gull]

glad to know that, thanks.

[rapid escarp]

imagine my surprise when i got out of groups with my 2.8m CP ass and there was a guy with 3.6m CP

[dire root]

Noah and Blanc on the same team is wild to me.

[spiral onyx]

My biggest complaint about Champion Arena by far is the lack of communication and details on the actual rules before the mode was released

[dire root]

seems like a waste of noah

[rapid escarp]

I think the lack of communication stems from not even them knowing the mechanics of this game mode

[dire root]

Why not put Noah in P1, is there a reason?

[calm gull]

correct me if I'm wrong, you need at least 17% CS for HelmT in arena yea?

[dire root]

Biscuit would shield her.

[rapid escarp]

I did this last tournie; I gave noah a bit more charge speed than noise so that noise's taunt takes prio

[dire root]

Oh I forgot about Noise's taunt.

[rapid escarp]

it can be beautiful having double taunter, because for example an opponents SAnis's s2's will prioritize both taunting units

[dire root]

Noise seems pointless on a team with biscuit and noah to me, Noah will live to burst.

[rapid escarp]

I didn't have biscuit, but I wanted Noise to ensure Cind can 1-shot units

[dire root]

Isn't Noise a healer/taunter why would she help one shot units with Cindy?

[dusky ice]

Cuz she buff max hp and max hp = more dmg for cindy

[dire root]

Oh

Uh I guess it's time to pull out the deck builder to see burst speeds.

[rapid escarp]

Funny situations can happen if Cind's burst shots dont 1-shot. If she is in a 2RL team against a 3RL team, her burst will only fire 4 or 5 shots out of 10 before the opponent gets to use B2

So your chances of winning can significantly change if the opponent has a blanc for example

[quick lake]

left wins rip

[dire root]

lol

left wins again

RH>Trina>Scarlet Now that's a lot of damage

[shell hazel]

my Noah got stunned in one of my matches at p1 but Centi burst at p5 at least

i'll see if I can timestamp it

[rich quail]

Yeah, I don’t see how a person who does not play pvp modes in Nikke regularly, or a person who does not visit a community like this one have any idea how to participate in CA. At least voting is straightforward.

[shell hazel]

https://youtu.be/DIGyjPyX8NA?si=haaDmQPrOmLJzP9R&t=60
timestamp for Noah stun

[quiet fiber]

Thoughts on this match-up?

[dusky ice]

Is the match up just straight up in order or it will random?

[shell hazel]

order

[shell hazel]

Cindy p1 spotted 😄

[dire root]

Damn 2 RL burst

the speed

[mint swallow]

Help please

I think its right bur idk

[dusky ice]

Idk if cindy survive all that SG dmg she gotta be very low to burst

[shell hazel]

it will also speed up the burst on the SG team

[dusky ice]

Because they hitting the decoy right?

[shell hazel]

yes more burst gen

[crystal flicker]

Will they?

[shell hazel]

or do they bypass it?

[crystal flicker]

SG atk everyone, I thought that won't matter for them

[shell hazel]

on attack think they prio p1

but I must admit my SG team barely there not really watched much of how they operate

[crystal flicker]

I can confirm if it's RL, since I have 1RL variant against P1 Cindy

[dusky ice]

In CA whats decide who is attacking and who is defending?

[crystal flicker]

The developer who code CA matchmaking mechanism

[dusky ice]

So we dont know basically 🤣

[crystal flicker]

I believe he's in this server, lurking behind the shadows

[dusky ice]

monkaW

[shell hazel]

my SG teams are team 1 in my matches I posted, twice on attack and once on def, they're low invest/junk but you can see how they worked here#pvp-arena message

on attack looks like we just went for p1 and jackal link caused damage elsewhere

on def they went p5 and killed mana first

[swift mango]

Will lose to SG team easily because expose alone b1

[dusky ice]

Im jealous all you guy get to play in CA cuz my SP are full with gems thrower 🤣 and Def in SP suck since every team has a counter 🥹

[dire root]

Just have like 100k more combat power then everyone else.

then you are safeish.

[dusky ice]

https://tenor.com/view/morgan-freeman-hes-right-you-know-correct-true-right-gif-27174315

[dire root]

Yeah pepper dying is a possibility.

[shell hazel]

siren can stun also

if pepper stunned = no burst

[swift mango]

Not before 2rl B1 burst

[shell hazel]

oh maybe not b1, did beat my noah to 2RL b2 though

[crystal flicker]

If Keripo is right and Siren stun 2.5RL B1

[dire root]

As long as pepper lives for like 3 seconds Cindy team wins

[shell hazel]

it's def a bit cope 😄

[swift mango]

Your team is also 2rl with pepper feed.

[dire root]

I should just flip a coin when deciding who to cheer for.

[swift mango]

SBS team wins because 2rl Blanc on SBS. Unless it's bricked and Blanc landed on someone else.

[primal charm]

Wait this mean 1,5 rl no fed exist?

[shell hazel]

indom Centi

[primal charm]

How to achieve it? All rl must have cs or just 1? And how much cs need?

[dire root]

Cheering a lot easier when you aren't losing 400k credit on a loss.

[shell hazel]

I prefer the new cheering thing personally, no risk wins if you get it right, people that are good at predicting the outcomes will be worse off though

[dire root]

I guess it would be losing 800k credits since you are losing the credits you bet and the 400k you could have gained.

Changed my bet, probably going to hate the fact that I changed it in the morning.

[spiral onyx]

In theory, if you're runing all RLs and its normally 2RL but each has 4x6 = 24% charge speed, then you're looking at 1.52 RL

the sane person just rolls 4x 4.33% charge speed (17%) so you're more looking at 1.66RL

but you're unlikely to be running 5 RL, so its more like 1.7/1.8RL

This is also why the "RL" system is insufficient. Waiting on @bleak shale et al to finish their frame-based calculator

Its like explaining electrons with simple circles when in reality, its a lot more complicated and detailed

[dire root]

Don't worry my cheers are always wrong.

[whole pawn]

i cant beilive u guys actually cheering, u know that if u dont succed , u basically loose your credits

[dire root]

I basically assured your victory by cheering against you.

[mint swallow]

bro doesnt know it changed

[whole pawn]

well because i ignored it

[crystal flicker]

Change it to cd boxes and ppl will ask there on who to cheer everytime

[whole pawn]

mmm maybe i should gamble too

[crystal flicker]

Dang I'm Shi- I mean purple now

[tropic summit]

another victim of extreme yapping

[unique mountain]

[tropic summit]

summer anis depends on the matchup, you plan to use her on defense or attack?

[crystal flicker]

I'm kinda worried about P2 and P5 lmao

When is the result for current round? Tomorrow?

I cheered for myself

Lmao

[crystal flicker]

I thought after cheer, we'll go to fight period for a day

[tropic summit]

wasn't it right after cheering? but you could be right

right, this was AFK arena afterall

[quick lake]

Bugged Arena

[lusty pelican]

hi @hollow eagle my dood may i ask for this one..?

[tropic summit]

seeing a lot of those 4RL s.anis lately, wonder who's spreading them

[lusty pelican]

idk man but umm can i ask for some cheer halp? 🙏

[tropic summit]

oh no wonder it looked familiar, my whel running nearly identical copy

even in the same damn order

[lusty pelican]

u think they copied or something

[tropic summit]

well most non-pvper will want to copy working teams from previous CA winners

probably the same logic here

[lusty pelican]

ook

[lusty pelican]

umm do u think left or right may i ask?

[meager linden]

Guys, I'm really devastated. I need your help. No matter how hard I try to make teams, I always get beaten. I'm ready to upgrade whatever you say. Here are my teams at this moment and my result of the day. And list of my nikkes.

[quiet fiber]

Update: Looks like they can crack this defense consistently now. Got any alternative team comps?
Oh, should I post my roster again?

[tropic summit]

ye post it again or link it here

would help if you posted ur current def so we get an idea of what they cracking

[quiet fiber]

Alright.

[tropic summit]

looks like a right win

[lusty pelican]

arigathanks my dood

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/946720097031045161/1364953968631091310/43e8ca0a8a3bf8e7d88ca2927b285239.webp

[tropic summit]

oh wait

there's a chance T3 lives becasue it's 2RL noise

so there's a bit of RNG involved

[lusty pelican]

oo like 45/55?

[tropic summit]

although

it's a dolless noise

if not invested that may aswell just die regardless

[lusty pelican]

alrighty ill go for right 🙏

[tropic summit]

mhm

just not 100% sure, but i'd be leaning right if anything

[lusty pelican]

so sadge i cant participate in CA cuz i went on hiatus

started on launch, rerolled og scar and left and came back overzone

im bricked fr

[tropic summit]

your main problem here is probably T2, T1 will get noah'ed and T3 will be skipped

[quiet fiber]

Only update is lvl 441 now & Siren is where poli.

[crystal flicker]

Make alter

[lusty pelican]

i can do this but i rather not, my collection T_T

[tropic summit]

eh you already running good teams

[crystal flicker]

2nd account is best if you like optimal management

[tropic summit]

can try changing a few things and see if you can catch a few def wins

[crystal flicker]

You can play both (kinda tiring though if it's 1 device)

I burn out until I got 2nd device to play 2 acc at the same time lol

[meager linden]

My t2 is a filler team, I can swich SAnis and Emilia, maybe it works? But i think Blank invul Noise

[quiet fiber]

Sounds good. My offense has been pretty consistent so I usually get my spot back within an hour or two.

The gemming for attack has been one sided so far.

[tropic summit]

let's try going with this

scarlet blanc rh emilia jackal (unchanged, this is fine as it forces either a 2RL scarlet mirror, rosanna or a noah)
noah biscuit helm rosanna laplace (this one should punish them if they run emilia against this, also breaks jackal link if they running indom)
rumani centi cind sbs noise (this one forces either 2RL scarlet or noah)

if this cracks nevertheless, you can try commiting to 2 teams on 2RL and a cp pad

[quiet fiber]

Alright, I'll try this & noted on the 2RL tip. Thanks again for the team.

[quiet fiber]

@tropic summit While I'm here. What are your thoughts on this matchup? I'm leaning on cheering for left.

[tropic summit]

this could work for a while

scarlet laplace trina xmaiden jackal
blanc emi rh biscuit centi
noise rumani cind helm noah

-it fixes your T2
-T1 and T3 are on natural 2RL, which is forcing opponent on same speed noah/scarlet

[meager linden]

Ok thx, i try this one. And maybe advice with dolls, which one i need SR15 first to get more profit?

I have sr5 almost on every nikke

[tropic summit]

hmm leaning right, although there's quite some variables in these matchups

[tropic summit]

your main B3s (cindy, RH, emilia, scarlet), followed by your main tanks/utilities (jackal, noise, noah)

SR gives very good dmg reduction, you want that to protect you against rosanna and to help tanks survive longer

[hollow eagle]

I'd vote right

[lusty pelican]

okii thanks mang 🙏

[dire elbow]

Don't suppose there's some magical way I can beat a 300k deficit in rookie arena?

[raven plover]

if its not proper team, I guess

[quiet fiber]

Thanks for input. The detailed explanation for the variable's appreciated as well.

[dire elbow]

Looks more like a campaign team to me but still phat power diff

[raven plover]

maybe this can win

[dire elbow]

I'll give it a go

[tropic summit]

between 18-22% deficit it's winnable

past 24-25% it gets harsh

[raven plover]

wait 300k from 710k

[dire elbow]

Majority of my rookie arena are like 250k and below, then top 15 are like 700k+

[raven plover]

thats like 40% gap I think ngmi

[dire elbow]

Yup, I'm one of the like 6 people in the gap Hover between 300-400k depending on comp

[grand plaza]

Wait why I remembered Noise as defender

[meager linden]

How to beat this team? Scar always have invul.

[grand plaza]

May I ask something about Biscuit? From what I can see she can't make same nikke invincible back to back, am I missing something here?

[placid bloom]

she can unless you got one shot from 51%+

which means your tank not invested enough

or you have another tank in p2 that got splashed hard enough by rockets or a tank in p5 that's getting shot by SG

[grand plaza]

Hmm alright, I am gonna check closely next time 👍

[wicked horizon]

Did they change the cheer times?
I could swear it wasn't this early last time.

2 minutes left, had to pick at random. 😒

[placid bloom]

no it's always been this time

[wicked horizon]

Eh, first cheer is whatever. I can always go for the other frame if I don't guess it correctly.

[burnt leaf]

is the SP Arena revamp yet?

[quick lake]

she applies her invuln twice. So it can apply to 2 diff nikke, so no back to back invuln

[tropic summit]

run this

you're aiming to achieve something like this

[meager linden]

Oh, thx. I allready beat it 🙂 With Noah-Cindy-Rapun-THelm-Biscuit

[tropic summit]

ye same logic, stall with noah while indom runs out

good job

[meager linden]

Thx one more time 🙂

[ionic seal]

What is the best team I can build for rookie arena with this?

[raven plover]

[tropic summit]

can run this one (if no centi just throw rumani in synchro and get her to 4/4/4)

imagine running your only B1, on blue doll, in p1

on a 3RL team

oh at least it's 2RL...

oh results are out

[wet crystal]

Welp, there goes my all loss gamba for this season

My ai had a 2 L v 3 W, I thought I'd lose... rail also said I'd lose soo

[void cave]

Nice, one done, five losses to go

[wet crystal]

Gamba frame > credits

[raven plover]

I think Im losing soon.. vs my own teams I saw 2 people with my teams

[wet crystal]

Which team was this?

[void cave]

Nooo, you better keep winning so I can cheer against you

[wet crystal]

No one bursted in match 4 lol

[tropic summit]

yeah that's arena in a nutshell, there's always some variables

SG investiment, people OLs that you don't see, CS%, dolls

[stuck parcel]

70% voted against me and took the loss there.

[vapid hemlock]

@swift mango i won but lost at the same time

[keen vapor]

Why you didn't cheered for yourself

[vapid hemlock]

cause i thought i'd lose cause he has good teams and stuff hahahaha

[empty cedar]

@tropic summit

Remember the copium team vs the one shot team.

It actually manged to win that fight.

[keen vapor]

Now I have to check if I got credits

[flat cosmos]

@candid blade

[raven plover]

[umbral belfry]

Made 85% lose their credit (boxes)

on board the losing frame route

[graceful grotto]

thoughts? i'm attacker (top is me)

i'm thinking L W W ? L?

[bleak shale]

I put a temp hold on cuz mgfr setting blame shift up for delays

I'll prob get back to it soon

[umbral belfry]

T4 loses no? you're feeding with SG

[placid bloom]

you win team 1 no? Moran gets stunned and they can't burst

[graceful grotto]

but they're pure SG, afraid they might just nuke my siren

[placid bloom]

even if Siren dies Rap revives

[umbral belfry]

Siren is gonna die bc defending Sg

[placid bloom]

well I guess

[graceful grotto]

prolly, but if sanis and scarlet linked enough, i should be 2RL too

[umbral belfry]

I mean it's possible

[placid bloom]

thing is, it's not fire SG

so you have okay chance to live

if it was Drake she'd be dead for sure

check their previous fight

and see how fast they take out p5

then reevaluate

unless they were attacker last round

it's more likely that most people don't build Maiden and Sugar though, and only SAnis is built

[umbral belfry]

Bay would block the nuke anyway no?

[graceful grotto]

pretty quick, 2 RL takeout

[graceful grotto]

if i'm able to stun moran, they wont be able to burst anyway but yeah i think siren might die

but my siren is SR15, so let's pray

[placid bloom]

probably no stun then

[umbral belfry]

Yeah I think siren is cooked too rapu will revive her bug idk if her stun counter resets or not

[graceful grotto]

from what i see, moran is stun 1 second after rumani die

[placid bloom]

it shouldn't reset but it won't be in time since you burst at the same time

[graceful grotto]

so if my siren can survive 1 more sec then i will win

[umbral belfry]

pray

[placid bloom]

your Siren is higher CP than that guy's Rumani?

[graceful grotto]

naturally i think?

idk how built rumani normally is, but my siren SR15 10 10 10 skill full OL

no CP deficit though so hard to say

[placid bloom]

I guess HP from +5OL is smaller at lv400

probably not enough then

1s is 2 more volleys to tank

[graceful grotto]

132k siren (mine) and 106k rumani

let's pray hahahaha

[umbral belfry]

[graceful grotto]

let's also hope sbs can survive cindy nuke kewk

or or or

i can nuke out their sugar first before they nuke my siren hehehe

[umbral belfry]

how are you gonna hit her

[grand plaza]

Lets say nikke's health increased to full again after first invuln, still doesn't work right?

[quick lake]

it works

[graceful grotto]

i have 3 SG vs their 3 SG hahaha

oh wait moran yeah i forget

unless i kill before moran taunt

[umbral belfry]

but you're attacking, your SG will hit their P1

[graceful grotto]

oh right

[umbral belfry]

[graceful grotto]

oh welp, let the RNG gawd dictate this

should have place drake on pos 5 instead, lesson learnt

[spiral onyx]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RiraOiKnpj0

[fathom rock]

Round adjust works in pvp?

[sonic sonnet]

Does anyone know how my Noah got stunned? I checked character details and the only one that even has a stun in their kit is rapunzel and thats against the enemy

[fathom rock]

Siren

Little mermaid stuns the unit she attacks after 50 bullets

[sonic sonnet]

ohh I didn’t know, thanks

[spiral onyx]

My next matchup

[coarse lake]

I might be joever for my next matchup

top attacking

[spiral onyx]

Predictions:

• T1: Win. Assuming Noise + XAnne + XMaiden out-damages Helm+, Scalter should get the Blanc invuln. Siren might stun Noise, screwing over their burst and safely giving Scalter time to kill even without invuln. Based on the investment levels though I highly doubt Pengest has a 2.5RL setup so Noise is probably getting stunned before burst.
• T2: Maybe win. 2RL Cindy vs 3RL SAnis. Normally the Noah would block my Cindy but my charge speeds may let me land the kill before Noah bursts. Maybe.
• T3: Win. I have no clue what that opposing team is. Even if Siren stuns my Moran, an unbuffed BSoda isn't gonna kill anyone.
• T4: Win. I have no idea what this team is. 5RL?
• T5: Lose. SG team vs Scarlet Jackal. In theory this should be an easy win for Pengest, but this is also an investment check. There's a small possibility that Rosanna 1-shots Scarlet after Trina's 2s immune but before Blanc's B2. If that happens, Pengest's team has no DPS and there's a good chance my team will win. But this is a very small window here, so Im gonna assume a hard counter loss here.

Would be nice to win both T2 and T5 though, which would let me keep my perfect score thus far

[coarse solstice]

My next round I am top and defending

[umbral belfry]

that's

unfortunate def siren in t5

bc(I think?) even with them feeding you you're still getting stunned no? or their scar just wipes first

[lunar pawn]

think his scarlet gets stunned before nuke no matter what at that speed

[umbral belfry]

Yeah I think so too

trying to think if his T1 can survive 4 sg to the face @ noise and naga w/ iron

I guess depends on investment?

[coarse solstice]

His SG team has pretty low investment

[umbral belfry]

should be good there then

[coarse solstice]

I don't know if skills are even 4 at this level

[umbral belfry]

he had the right idea bug

at best it's 4/4/4 and no higher

but I'm expecting 1/1/1

if soda was invested though

[deep summit]

Hello, recently got Treasured Laplace and wanted to update my PVP stuff again

[coarse solstice]

That's why I haven't fielded mine yet. My drake n Noir are done but the rest needs work

[spiral onyx]

This SG team is too weak

[deep summit]

I have everything minus these, also I have Treasured Helm, Exia, Diesel, and Drake as well

[spiral onyx]

the comp is fine though

[umbral belfry]

yeah exactly

I can see you winning the rest but losing T5

either way, no bully today

[spiral onyx]

Tove is not ideal for PvP SG teams though

Pepper or Rosanna should be your ideal B1 picks

[coarse solstice]

I had myself at W ? W W L

[spiral onyx]

or heck, even Siren lol

[coarse solstice]

Siren SG teams sounds dirty lol

[umbral belfry]

that's what I did hehe

[coarse solstice]

Oh I saw... Gratz on the dub

[umbral belfry]

to help out my uninvested SGs

was close

[coarse solstice]

I checked your next match up and I'm not sure either way tbh

[umbral belfry]

I feel like I lose, but p2 bay

if it was p4 it woulda been 100% gg

still might be though

either way it's an uphill battle

People are saying I win but I don't see it

[coarse solstice]

Lemme look again

[umbral belfry]

bc bay nuke should eat up my scar's

[coarse solstice]

Maybe but it will take a fair bit of splash damage. W L L W ? Leaning towards you winning

[umbral belfry]

God man I can't safely predict

it depends how much moran feeds

On one hand I wanna win but on the other I want the losing frame so

[umbral belfry]

Worse case scenario is I lose AND I predict wrong

in any case

[coarse solstice]

Where is rail when we need him lol

[placid bloom]

It’s fine, you can try again in 2 weeks at worst

[umbral belfry]

@worthy sorrel Gl fancy cup idk how this goes 😭

[umbral belfry]

Too long

Next time put bay pos4 regardless though

[wicked horizon]

So, in CA, who was the attacker, and who the defender?

[placid bloom]

Top/left

[umbral belfry]

top/left attacks

[wicked horizon]

top?

[umbral belfry]

Like in top 64, there's one on top and one on bottom

[placid bloom]

Bracket placement

[wicked horizon]

Oh. Not the cheer screen. Sure.

[coarse solstice]

Cheer screen should be the same

Left attacks

[wicked horizon]

Well, I've still no idea who wins this one.

And the others seem to go 2-2.

[placid bloom]

LapT vs mostly elec team seems winning

Siren stun too

[wicked horizon]

Elemental advantage is a fair point actually.

[umbral belfry]

I was leaning toward lap+ too due to ele

[placid bloom]

Just 2-3 shot everyone with normals

[umbral belfry]

Decently invested too so yeah she's gonna hurt

[placid bloom]

I guess Alice is shooting Siren

So maybe Siren gets 3 shot

But should be enough to get a stun in

The team just can’t burst if Siren dies

[umbral belfry]

Bad positioning

[placid bloom]

Maybe losing then if Rouge survives to B1

Alice will clean up

Unless that BSoda can solo Alice

[onyx scaffold]

bottom is attacker. please tell me which side wins.
note to self: add some spacing between each teams next time

welp

[coarse solstice]

@umbral belfry took me entirely to long to finally get this 😂

[umbral belfry]

PvE hero ura

Grats! No shame at all, MC is annoying asf

[umbral belfry]

alice!!

You might have trouble at behe given cp, but imo she's easier than MC

it's more of a burst timing thing there

you basically must use helmt there

[coarse solstice]

Helm T is on my main team. I almost never use Naga anymore

[umbral belfry]

same...

[strange quail]

Any suggestion guys ? I am trying to attack team 1 and 3, team 3 is losing

smh . . .

somehow my Cindy team burst faster than his team but always lose

I don't have Noah btw

Have almost everything else

😭

[keen vapor]

Noahless :deadge:

[umbral belfry]

@coarse solstice actually accurate cheer ratio bc this is stressful 😭

nearly 50/50

[empty cedar]

I'm at a loss i believe i have a chance

[drifting socket]

Erm is rei able to 1 shot with 1 buffer?

[strange quail]

Any help guys 😄

I can't sleep without beating this guy

[umbral belfry]

i know you don't have a noah, but do you have a bay?

[strange quail]

I can try to build one right now

[empty cedar]

You have siren.

You can use her to stun Blanc and easy wipe out

[umbral belfry]

if there's no cp gap, that might be a possibility. I've seen bay block cindy, but I think that was at high speeds

[empty cedar]

And free more options

[umbral belfry]

that too yeah, siren

[strange quail]

woah that is a new tech I haven'y heard of

[umbral belfry]

personally I aim for at least 2 teams I know i can win vs all 3. saves up units to place correctly too

[strange quail]

RL requirement ? Is it have to burst on tight timing or just burst faster

[empty cedar]

Depends

[umbral belfry]

if blanc is stunned there's no indom, you can proceed to nuke/kill then

[empty cedar]

Are you trying to one shot or outlast your enemies

[strange quail]

Oneshot with 2RL, outlast with Blanc team

Didn't realize Siren can be use in PvP, gonna try her now

[empty cedar]

Honestly you can beat the cinderella team with scarlet team.

And use the tech to stun Blanc team

[umbral belfry]

Not sure how she is on defense, but she's great on attack

[empty cedar]

On defense she easily counter by scarlet/jackel

[umbral belfry]

yeah

[strange quail]

wait so she technically can stun whole team without any requirements ?

[empty cedar]

But if you invest in her bulk she can stun scarlet

[umbral belfry]

she stuns whoever is in p1

[empty cedar]

I beat scarlet team with my siren but it inconsistent as scarlet s2 can activate multiple teams and crit

[umbral belfry]

and since that blanc team looks like 3 RL at least, blanc is stunned. no indom. bisc will burst instead

[empty cedar]

Yep

[umbral belfry]

But if that team was 2 RL, blanc would burst and get stunned after I believe

[empty cedar]

I use siren with my scarlet team to beat noah/biscuit teams

[keen vapor]

Where's your invested Bay

[worthy knoll]

You have Noise?

[strange quail]

Actually not invested 😭

[keen vapor]

Moran too, where's she and her burst maxed

[strange quail]

Yes I do

[keen vapor]

Where's your biscuit

[worthy knoll]

Noise Blanc Emilia Centi(or Anis) Jackal. Noise Emi linked?

[strange quail]

should be, but I think I will try with Siren first

[worthy knoll]

Use that for T1
T2 use Siren

[strange quail]

Actually have biscuit but I figured out that she is pretty useless with the 2RL Scarlet and Cindy

Already beat T1 tho

[worthy knoll]

Scarlet Trina Siren HelmT Centi(or Anis) I guess for T2

[keen vapor]

Where's Moran

[strange quail]

This team I won

[placid bloom]

Doesn’t your team 3 just beat their team 2 Blanc will live because Biscuit but the other 4 should dead

[umbral belfry]

He's getting bullied

[placid bloom]

They won’t even be able to burst because they are too slow

[worthy knoll]

Well up to you if you want to follow it or not

[keen vapor]

He's noahless and doesn't wishlist Moran/invests Bay

[umbral belfry]

I suggest following their teams

[umbral belfry]

Shhhhhhh

[placid bloom]

This shouldn’t even come down to nuke fight, just avoid that one

[strange quail]

Yeah I think I can only win against Scar team with Blanc indom

[keen vapor]

Imagine getting help from Merry and not listening

[strange quail]

this look good ?

[umbral belfry]

sir

[strange quail]

Its not that I am not listening

[umbral belfry]

On paper it should work due to siren but

but cindy p2

[keen vapor]

Merry I can only get to 415 level
I'm a failure

[umbral belfry]

You're free to run that team sure. But merry knows pvp very well. Siren does work there yes, but I still suggest the latter

[keen vapor]

Okay, 418

[umbral belfry]

so you can

[strange quail]

Yeah because I already have a winning team 1 so I have a bias on that, I will try with Merry suggestion

[keen vapor]

Maybe 419

[worthy sorrel]

aaaayyy we both made it! congrats. gl in the morning.

may the indoms be ever in our favor 🙏

[umbral belfry]

gl friendo

also, don't put bay in pos2

she needs at least pos 4

[keen vapor]

Okay, with current hard mode 421

I have to push all I can by then

[keen vapor]

P3 is fine tho

[umbral belfry]

it is, but I like mine extra extra safe

p1 and p2 bay makes me

[keen vapor]

Current cheer has P4 and she might die to 4 enemy SGs

[umbral belfry]

Good ol SGS

[worthy sorrel]

bay's not okay here? i assumed the team was just fast enough. it's a 101% 2rl lineup so I assumed she'd be quick enough to do her thing regardless of position

[umbral belfry]

ironically p2 bay would've been good there

[strange quail]

Its worked, thank you everyone, especially Hime and Merry

[umbral belfry]

The thing is she relays on cover. On our 2 RL scar vs 2 RL bay helmt matchup, on paper you should win due to bay eating up nuke. but in pos2 she's taking a fair amount of splash dmg from my RLs

and I'm not sure if moran feeding will boost my scar more, scar and drake are highest atk as well

so that's why tbis matchup is hard to tell

but I think if your bay was pos4 it would've been 100% win

[radiant storm]

Can I ask what does 21%/38% for Emilia?

[worthy sorrel]

hmmm might need to rework the teams a bit then for next arena. burst order is bad if maiden moves up and helm in p2 just feels weird lol

[coarse solstice]

Lots of variables 🙂‍↕️

[umbral belfry]

yeah exactly lmao

[umbral belfry]

on that team I would've personally done moran rumani helmt bay xmaid

not sure if moran and rumani taunts have an issue though

[umbral belfry]

sleepy time

[umbral belfry]

Charge speed

[keen vapor]

Makes teams faster

[empty cedar]

Who would win here?

I am 2.5 rl and the opponent is 2 rl

[strange quail]

Gonna try Siren on defense team to see if she can win some by surprise factor, because my current defense team can't defense for shiet anyways

[keen vapor]

100% Summer Anis

[keen vapor]

Never go this, only villains do that

[empty cedar]

Yeah this is the deciding match i believe I can win and one shot the anis before she wipes me out

[keen vapor]

You'll get instakilled

[keen vapor]

Watch a replay from that team

Look how quickly cover goes off

[umbral belfry]

not me never

[keen vapor]

Bay cover before she bursts

[umbral belfry]

I might have lap+ next CA

[keen vapor]

I might not all my mats will go towards Siren/Mihara

[umbral belfry]

Understandable

I wonder if mihara and rosa would be a somewhat decent sacc comp

[radiant storm]

Thinking about going
Noah, Noise, Anis, Cindy, Jackal

How many RL is this team given that Anis and Jackal gives damage share?

[keen vapor]

I don't think unsynched units are allowed on CA

[umbral belfry]

naked mihara

but with SR around the corner unlikely

[radiant storm]

And doing
Scar, Helm T3 (17%), Anne, Rapu, Centi

[keen vapor]

3RL

[keen vapor]

2 RL

[keen vapor]

Helm won't buff Scar nuke

[empty cedar]

The idea is that biscuit make bay stay alive longer and take 70 percent of the damage whilst the only thing that can definitely beat me is that anis having high elemental.

Becuase she's just quick she doesn't have any additional buffs.

I mean compare to this team.

The chances were very low yet I still over come it with gimmicks

[keen vapor]

Show replay do it

How quickly Bay cover goes down

[radiant storm]

Anne buff

[keen vapor]

One buff not good enough unless it's Trina

[keen vapor]

[empty cedar]

Man 4RL and manege to clutch

[keen vapor]

Bay team

[empty cedar]

What tomorrow is the match off

Tell me with that previous battle you thought I would have won it before showing the replay

[keen vapor]

But you already fought, I want to see Bay cover

[strange quail]

Chat, Im I cooking good ?

[stuck pike]

I don't like your second team very much.

[empty cedar]

Sure I have you a fun one.

[simple flower]

Guys
do we have Champion Arena betting channel?
where we discuss who will win ?????

[keen vapor]

I don't like third team but... Looks good

[stuck pike]

and the third team is worse than the second

You'll want to fix both imo

[strange quail]

😭
Last time someone told me that I asked too much in this channel, so this time I try to cook first then ask
What is you guys suggestions?

[stuck pike]

You have Sanis it looks like

[strange quail]

Yeah I do, pretty well built too

[stuck pike]

she should be used in team 3, but not with Noir or Drake (if treasured).

[empty cedar]

I got to face off a Rosanna

[stuck pike]

And Biscuit should burst in that case, not Naga if you keep her for some reason

[keen vapor]

Team 2 decent enough I'll actually copy it

[strange quail]

Yeah my intention was creating a crazy shotgun team to catch someone off guard with their S5

[radiant storm]

Sadly I don't have trina, I don't want to just waste Blanc for Scarlet, I just put X. Anne/Helm

[keen vapor]

Well, normally you'll think nuke + Blanc should win but Rei is so uninvested (and also lacking 2nd buffer) that it will tickle a Noise buffed team

[stuck pike]

A few things wrong with it. Jackal link is Helm and Emilia. Blanc might indom the Noise if she doesn't instantly die which means none of your DPS are saved from AoE.

[keen vapor]

Right, positioning

Emi should be P2 (but she dies when I do it)

[empty cedar]

@keen vapor well they need batteries to not be so under rl so it reasonable why yet they did kill my noise

[keen vapor]

Ok, it's fine ig

As long as you have ammo on your Scarlet

[keen vapor]

Your mana feeds

[empty cedar]

That aside you seen the bay she took the whole ult and biscuit and centi didn't took damage

[strange quail]

You think If I build my Rossana she will improve my team ?

[empty cedar]

I'm positive that I can live long enough to fire my shot to knock out the anis.

Before dying

[radiant storm]

Yeah, i have 77

[stuck pike]

Rosanna kills your team 2. unironically lol. For you to build her yourself, maybe. Depends on a few things.

[empty cedar]

Hey they had jackel what can I do about it.

[strange quail]

I dont get it

[keen vapor]

Yeah

[lunar pawn]

time to vote for the losers

[stuck pike]

Rosanna delinks jackal and with elemental damage overloads kills Emilia and Helm. That's the easiest immediate counter to your team.

There's other counters like I said related to AoE

[keen vapor]

I see, no splash, no damage to cover

[strange quail]

I have several Rossana in my bracket, and I never able to win against them, so I think If I build her my def team gonna be stronger

[molten bough]

Guys can i see your 3-3 atk&def teams? I don't really understand about pvp team comp

[keen vapor]

4 RL units now, but 3 are defenders.... Ig Bay will be able to burst and absorb skill damage

But bc of no taunt on your team, as soon as cover depletes Summer Anis will target both RH and Emilia

Depending on RNG/elemental damage lines the battle will have an outcome or another

[keen vapor]

Surely me too

[molten bough]

i want to stand on above 120 rank

[keen vapor]

What if we don't share same units

[keen vapor]

What if you're underleveled 100 levels

[lunar pawn]

thoughts?
personally thinking left side:
t1 win
t2 loss
t3 loss
t4 win
t5 loss

[molten bough]

i'm sad

[keen vapor]

People who don't play actively can't PVP sorry for the bad news

[empty cedar]

@keen vapor .

Do you know that bay forms a link with the whole team and the damage she takes first goes to her cover then to herself.

Unlike jackel she doesn't split it equally she take the bulk of the damage that's why she died almost immediately but with biscuit she can insure 5 seconds of bulking.

[keen vapor]

Yes, I know

Unlike jackal, that link exists only after burst

[empty cedar]

Yeah one rocket isn't going to kill emilia

[strange quail]

Yeah, me from top 3 now falling to barely holding top 10, forget all of the PvP interactions because of not playing actively for several months

[molten bough]

i play actively on every content but PVP

[strange quail]

everyday 10 minutes of daily then out

[keen vapor]

Then, why you reacted to the level diff message

[keen vapor]

What about 3

[keen vapor]

You do them in 10? It takes me half an hour

[empty cedar]

Hmm...
That I can say can.

If bay can't burst before the barrage.

What i know is that

2rl versus 2.5rl

Means that they burst first but I'm only 1 burst behind i will have bay active

[keen vapor]

Yeah, it will doubt that Rumani/Noah has 4 attack lines

[keen vapor]

How much is active

Are you level 500 or not

Do you farm event's hard mode?

[molten bough]

Everyday
I'm on 491
And yes

[keen vapor]

you shouldn't be 100 levels under diamond 3 rank

[molten bough]

I'm gold1

[keen vapor]

But there's no big level diff right

[molten bough]

Um

About 50-60

[keen vapor]

[molten bough]

I'm on 311 sync lv

[keen vapor]

I struggle with 40 level diff bud

[keen vapor]

YOU LIED TO ME.... But 50-60 diff is better what I could expect

[molten bough]

Oh

[keen vapor]

When you started your account?

[molten bough]

No I'm not

[molten bough]

1st day

[keen vapor]

ded bracket?

[molten bough]

My id

[quick lake]

rip

[keen vapor]

200 level diff with Challenger but 50-60 level diff with diamond 3 is odd

[molten bough]

Oh sry you mean on diamond 3?

I mean plat

Sorry

[keen vapor]

What about diamond 2

[keen vapor]

Where's my nitro for a facepalm emote

50-60 diff for just two ranks is not worth

200 level diff with active players is not a good sign

[keen vapor]

No good pushing on campaign and not farming event's hard mode correctly has bricked your account

[empty cedar]

I didn't started playing until after the half anniversary I missed Dorothy banner.

Yet I'm level synco 505

[molten bough]

About 470-500+

[keen vapor]

Good management right there

[molten bough]

I'm on last chapter

[molten bough]

I see my problem i think

[keen vapor]

That's only half of pushing, hard campaign matters as well

[swift mango]

lots of reason I could thing of:

1. Resource over flown. So actually not very actively log in (twice a day, everyday).
2. Didn't pull campaign far.
3. Didn't buy hard mode retries using gem every event.
4. Stuck in 160 wall but keep opening your boxes. Keep opening box even though you didn't push campaign.
5. Still have lots of boxes.

[molten bough]

I'm a person who likes to collect things and doesn't use them.

5. was right

[keen vapor]

Surely not 10 ... Oh

[molten bough]

yeah..

[swift mango]

So go push campaign until you are stuck and open some boxes afterward and push again and repeat but this amount doesn't fix the 100 level difference let alone 200.

[molten bough]

you mean hard chapter?

[keen vapor]

Yes

[keen vapor]

What chapter you sleeping on?

[molten bough]

14

[keen vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/sadge-guitar-mills-song-pepe-gif-18595045

[molten bough]

i know

ok i will push my hardmode chapter and use boxes

[oblique ridge]

Calls on this cheer I have to do?

I was thinking rounds 4 & 5 are easily:

• R4 - L/W - because bottom gets to 2.5RL from feed while top can’t. First bursting Scarlet. GG.
• R5 - W/L - because top indoms Emilia in time and she’ll casually blow up bottom. GG.

[keen vapor]

You'll auto for a while

[empty cedar]

I haven't pushed as much as I just did tower just to get more gems

For siren

[oblique ridge]

For R1, bottom’s Noise is max invested. Super high power compared to anyone else, even higher than Scarlets.

So she just might survive the SGs. Especially when Rumani taunts Soda.

On the condition that Noise survives, this is bottom’s win.

L/W.

[umbral belfry]

still can't decide who wins between us too many variables bleh W L L W ?

[keen vapor]

Left
Right
Right
Uh.... Left, RH should survive if Rosanna is dolless

Right
Siren will stun and team will be unable to burst

[lunar pawn]

Hope so, need to keep my losing streak

[oblique ridge]

For R2, top’s Nero is actually decently invested. And, would be revived/healed by Rapunzel even if Nero died or was almost killed.

I think stall team will be successful.

W/L.

[oblique ridge]

For R3, it’s the deciding battle.

It comes down to: Can Bay counter Cinderella?

Idk. If no then W/L. If yes, then idk who wins the attrition.

RIP my cheers.

[keen vapor]

Bottom

Top

Uh
How's looking Mana CP?

[oblique ridge]

Here’s top’s team

[keen vapor]

Okay, that Helm is scary

[oblique ridge]

I think top blows up bottom but idk what Bay does against Cindy

Does nothing?

Blocks Cindy?

[keen vapor]

Bay alone? Not enough, Moran Bay actually has a chance

[warm monolith]

@tropic summit who should i bet on?

[keen vapor]

High chances Moran has burst level 10

[oblique ridge]

Alright. Bottom has better chances overall then

[empty cedar]

So i test it and no cinderella burst is too crazy it kills you.

[oblique ridge]

Even bottom’s R5 might see survivors despite being nuked by top’s Emilia

[empty cedar]

Best answer to cinderella burst is noah.
Or you have to snipe b1

Or stun with siren now

[oblique ridge]

You mean you tested the R3 matchup I was talking about just now?

[keen vapor]

With good Moran investment?

[oblique ridge]

Nvm Nero died horribly in top team’s previous battle against another top64

[keen vapor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1026322546934698004.gif?size=48&animated=true&name=whyyysnapped

[oblique ridge]

Seems like same will happen here, and team Nero will be unable to pull off effective stall

[keen vapor]

Same teams?

[empty cedar]

Yeah but I don't know your investment could be wrong.

But normally I don't think you can shrug it off easily

[oblique ridge]

Nah but basically Nero didn’t tank well enough. Also Moran can’t taunt before bursting, afaik. Right is Defenders. So again Nero will be targeted by the SGs. RIP Nero

[keen vapor]

Wait, we weren't talking about Nero, but Moran Bay

[keen vapor]

Where SG

[oblique ridge]

Oh I moved on from that. Was looking at other matchups in their previous fights both teams to check investment results

Moran can taunt before bursting but only if she runs out of ammo

■ Activates when firing the final bullet. Affects 3 enemy unit(s) with the highest ATK.
Taunt for 4 sec.

[keen vapor]

I got ammo line

[oblique ridge]

This is the other matchup I was talking about, different players

Nero folded to SGs

Then Rapunzel. Well, same story in current matchup

[keen vapor]

Nero is not Bay what are you doing

[oblique ridge]

I’m on R2 not R3 now

[empty cedar]

I don't use shotguns teams but I seen how much basic damage they deal they can pretty much kill anything in p5 if not for a taunter to distributed the damage

[oblique ridge]

In any case @keen vapor my call’s changed.

I’m relatively convinced that bottom will win overall.

Since the Moran team wasn’t built to successfully tank 3-4 SGs attacking Nero.

And that the other teams hold up well or win.

[keen vapor]

Ok

[empty cedar]

It also make me hope that is not the cause of my lost for this round.

If they kill my Laplace then Rosanna snipes noah and helm I just lose

I rather they snipe helm and Laplace and I win

[limber rampart]

Need someone make me a new defend comp for sp arena

[keen vapor]

Left
Right
Right
Left
Right

[umbral belfry]

that's what i think too but some people said that t5 also depends on moran feed. but I think bay might eat nuke regardless

bc I think I lose

bc both are 2 RL, I just don't know how much exactly moran will feed. and scar drake jackal are linked so wouldn't drake also get hit?

and jackal is on quantum

[dire root]

How many cheers are there in a season?

[lone sequoia]

6

[keen vapor]

Feed is 10%
So scar team 1.9rl?

[umbral belfry]

[keen vapor]

[umbral belfry]

Now is that enough is the question

[lone sequoia]

that is not how it works

[dire root]

Damn have to win cheer 6 times in a row for frame. We'll I won first cheer so 5 more.

[umbral belfry]

surely you don't get unlucky

[lone sequoia]

if you think you are faster in 2RL speed you have to check the extra burst gen of your team+ feed
feed in a normal 2RL is just the same 2RL not a faster team unless you have+230 or something depending in the feed or CS

[umbral belfry]

All I can do now is believe in my losing cheer 🙏

[lone sequoia]

bay rng

[oak gale]

[keen vapor]

RNG again?

[umbral belfry]

you did well

[keen vapor]

You can go for losing streak now

[oak gale]

wait im still in it?

[umbral belfry]

Cheer wise yes, fighting wise no

[keen vapor]

I meant cheer...

[lone sequoia]

the only time that work is if you have cs+ feed in some units and that allow you to skip a RL shot in your 2nd attacks, remember that in normal burst gen, the last unit to hit set the speed of the team, but a bad situation where one of your units have really high speed and the others don't

[dire root]

Should have hedged your bets and cheered for the other guy you either lose the cheer and win or win the cheer and lose.

[tropic summit]

bricked reiT i guess, single buff 1/1/7 4OL reit should be 1hitko, amen

[keen vapor]

Mmmmm maybe Rumani should be on Position 5

[umbral belfry]

@tropic summit

[hushed kelp]

Has anyone confirmed if 25% helm gives 2RL?

Is sniper charge speed equivalent to RL speed?

[lone sequoia]

snipers hit faster than RLs(?)

[keen vapor]

right, instant travel time

[worldly wadi]

I made Treasure Helm, I need new teams for arenas

[crystal flicker]

I really lose Cindy fight

[keen vapor]

Let's see

[keen vapor]

Please overload Trina/Siren

[crystal flicker]

2RL vs 3RL Cindy comp

[worldly wadi]

Ok

[lunar pawn]

is this a good counter?

not sure if unbuffed cindy can wipe

[crystal flicker]

Are SG also affected by P1 Cindy gen bonus?

[lunar pawn]

only RL

[crystal flicker]

Feels like Siren gonna stun Noah at 2RL

in Rookie

[keen vapor]

Red Hood can be interchangeable with Summer Anis
And Liter with Little Mermaid, but really focus on increasing everyone's firepower in team 1

[lunar pawn]

gonna try and see how it goes

oh I was 2.5RL

noah died before I could burst

[keen vapor]

And Helm's Skill 1 should be maxed

[lunar pawn]

forgot to check

[keen vapor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1026322546934698004.gif?size=48&animated=true&name=whyyysnapped

[lunar pawn]

that's just unfortunate

I'm assuming siren has the same gen as liter

[keen vapor]

Noah with quantum

[tropic summit]

[keen vapor]

If I ever need to do these shenanigans I'll have to get Noah doll to level 10 at the very least

[bleak shale]

siren is in the calc

y assume

[umbral belfry]

you agree that I lose this right assuming investments and positions right? I wanna lose cheer with confidence to continue to aim for losing frame

[bleak shale]

also rookie offers smg more gen because of the frame rate option

i think ur main problem is ur noah is just there yolo p1, i asume ur siren is linked?

could probably siren jackal cindy helm noah

if ur link can survive getting 2splash

[warm monolith]

@tropic summit help plz

[tropic summit]

try to guess them yourself THEN ask for help or you planning to never learn?

[warm monolith]

Im learning but i dont want to risk to lose,im going for all cheers win frame,i just need to win this season all cheers,ill do it myself afterwards

[oblique ridge]

@tropic summit Try this one. I called it for bottom, ultimately.

[tropic summit]

not 100% certain on the last team... as it's bay in p2, although on 2RL her cover might still be there and that'd doom your scarlet

[umbral belfry]

this is what everyone is saying 😭 it's just t5 that's a ?, but I agree that I lose

I just wanted more opinions so I can lose cheer vote. ty ty

[crystal flicker]

Even with Cindy P1, the gen still 94.65

[lunar pawn]

need your help too pretty please
left side is losing, right?

[tropic summit]

an half assed nero moran will lose there, as nero can melt pre burst and looks like nero team is the attacker

[oblique ridge]

Yes, actually I watched a replay of top fighting in top64.

Nero died to SG team before bursts.

[tropic summit]

if nero team is defender they'll be fine

[oblique ridge]

So I figured same thing might happen here

[tropic summit]

it's side dependant

[oblique ridge]

Bottom’s the defender, or should be

[lone sequoia]

moran p1

[oblique ridge]

I aligned it like in the UI, basically

[frail marsh]

Is nero s1 10 and at least sr10?

[oblique ridge]

Doubt it, Nero melted?

[lone sequoia]

SR15, S1 full OL

looks at the puppet if itis not SR15 is bad

[frail marsh]

Nero needs it to be usefull

[oblique ridge]

Top’s Nero

[lunar pawn]

ok good, need to make sure I keep my loser streak
thanks

[oblique ridge]

Bottom’s SGs

[oblique ridge]

And the previous fight that destroyed top’s Nero

[oblique ridge]

Stats of the previous fight’s SGs

[heavy lodge]

Can I get some arena team comps please, just hit helm 3, siren and I'm crossing my fingers and golden tickets for SB: Anis in the future

[warm monolith]

I was writing this @tropic summit
First team: Tdrake/bsoda could but on 182k deficit idk who would win
Second team: 669k vs 645k teams are 3RL both probably sbs one win

[tropic summit]

ironic what some ppl are chasing as objective

[tropic summit]

there's no deficit in CA

[keen vapor]

So bottom then