pvp-arena

[kind palm]

so siren in ca and sp would still run in 30 fps and old fire rate?

[dim sapphire]

do we know if siren stun before 3.16 or after 3.16

i have yet to see siren against 2rl comp

video

[lofty spire]

need help with pvp teambuild both rookie and sp arena pls

[quick lake]

yeah, should be 30fps i assume

[quick lake]

Should stun at exactly 3RL, 3-3.1RL

[dim sapphire]

[raven plover]

kosmiu tested it I think for sp, still 30 fps

[atomic wolf]

@quick lakecan you help me building a CA team

[quick lake]

can send ur box

[quick lake]

Scar Trina Centi Drake Jackal
Pepper Noah Cindy THelm Rumani
5x SG
SBS Blanc RH Anis Mana
Auto

[atomic wolf]

alright

oh the cindy team is very unfortunate

hmm i'll see

wait i have noise?

[quick lake]

Edited

[umbral belfry]

T4 no b1

[atomic wolf]

i miss railtracer...

[umbral belfry]

@quick lake

[radiant storm]

The 60 fps mg setting is really helpful in pve

Pvp still 30 fps?

[atomic wolf]

still pvp

[strange rain]

Winnable?

[atomic wolf]

pvp/coop is locked to 30fps regardless

[atomic wolf]

we windows?

[strange rain]

Huh?

[atomic wolf]

oh no just

yeah ok thats def not gonna win i think

[umbral belfry]

You're at a 23% deficit, granted they feed you so

personally i wouldn't risk it

[quick lake]

Im still busy clearing new campaign

[umbral belfry]

[strange rain]

How bout this ?

[umbral belfry]

Wouldn't risk that either 😭 no cp deficit but risks feed (unlikely that moran is linked though)

you have a better chance vs that team though

[quick lake]

Just copy CA cooks tbh

Copy 3 teams, 2 SG teams

[atomic wolf]

copy where tho

the one you sent or which one

[brazen ledge]

Since siren stuns in pvp, she’s very good but situationally ?

[umbral belfry]

Actually no don't fight that. Noah would block scar's burst and bc you're both feeding each other, unlikely in your favor. you're both same speed

[atomic wolf]

i'll play around it hmm

[brazen ledge]

If you can stun a noah it’s goated right ?

[crystal flicker]

4RL

[quick lake]

yes, u can stun

[umbral belfry]

4 RL though don't think it's worth

[crystal flicker]

It's CA tho

[umbral belfry]

pray it hits a copium team

although i can see the appeal of siren on a blanc sbs team

[crystal flicker]

If I remove Biscuit and make it 3RL, Blanc might die tho

But from prev season, the sacc at 3RL failed so

[brazen ledge]

No I know you can stun

But that means she’s very good in PvP ?

[crystal flicker]

Rookie yes

SP good against 3RL or slower

CA tba

[outer grail]

redhood to siren what do you think? better swap?

[crystal flicker]

No

Without RH, Scarlet can fail the Nuke

It's another case if you use Trina instead

[outer grail]

so I could pair siren with trina in scarlet comp am I correct?

[crystal flicker]

yes

[atomic wolf]

i have no idea what i'm doing ahh teams

[outer grail]

thank you sir

[atomic wolf]

@quick lake should be good for now right

[quick lake]

i recommended u teams and u didn’t follow

[atomic wolf]

i'm not sure what to say other than

i dont have the ones you sent me

and i just tried to play flex around the teams you sent

[crystal flicker]

4RL

[atomic wolf]

aka using them as reference

[atomic wolf]

tf

[crystal flicker]

It's pretty good I'd say

[quick lake]

wdym? which units do u not have? @atomic wolf

[crystal flicker]

So far my comp is 2RL 2RL 4RLx3

[atomic wolf]

actually its not "what unit you dont have" my bad its just some of the units are underpowered, but alright let me tweak the team again

[crystal flicker]

Can make 3RL if I ditch Siren

[crystal flicker]

It's CA, penalty doesn't really matter

[quick lake]

Underpowered is fine. The units at 1/1/1 no OL are fine. More imptly is the team building imo

[crystal flicker]

Which is why I brave enough to bring Product23 and Neon for sacc

[quick lake]

At ur sync, running 2x SG teams is great

[crystal flicker]

ikr, P23 and Neon is great SG

Now it just gamble to make one of the 4RL win lmao

[kind palm]

can quantum increase rosanna skill 2?

[crystal flicker]

I don't think so

Otherwise HelmT + Quantum will be META

[kind palm]

oh right the flat gen% added not affected

[crystal flicker]

Assume I have 2RL comp w/o Quantum, is it better to allocate Quantum to slower team?

[covert lintel]

i created 3 teams of 2rl, 1 team of 3rl and 1 team 4rl stall team with a bit of resistant to sg team.
wishmeluck in CA

[crystal flicker]

what's the 3rd 2RL? SG?

[coral matrix]

duering the first champion arena it said the people that are in it are forming there squads. but its now says "please finish forming your squad". is this CA open for everyone?

[crystal flicker]

Nvm, I found it

it's sad that I don't have LapT

[covert lintel]

what did you find?
my past chat?

[crystal flicker]

Your future chat

[coral matrix]

anyone got info?

[umbral belfry]

Only open to people who got top 4 in SP (points)

[coral matrix]

oh ok, why is it wording like that. started freacking out a bit

[valid fern]

anyone gonna use siren in CA?

she's kind of a menance.

[covert lintel]

i still don't know which team she would be great at

[crystal flicker]

I am #pvp-arena message

Might want to make that team 3RL

[tropic summit]

if you ended up top 1-4 you can partecipate, else you'll be just cheering

you've received a mail that tells you the rank achieved and reward

[muted stag]

help pls t3 is ez but idk if i shd hit t1 or t2

i guess this worked welp lmk if i can do btr

[atomic wolf]

lowkey that might actually makes chars like belorta sr usable becaues they're RL

[quick lake]

sr stats possibly too low, but definitely viable if u;re lacking units

[atomic wolf]

it's CA though

hmmm

[covert lintel]

ig many whaler will place siren in this CA

[crystal flicker]

Do you think this will works in CA

Tested on Rookie similar CP

She died shortly after 2RL mark

[tropic summit]

depends on whether you attacking or defending, a lot of RNG involved

also if opponent is attacking and running SRs, as those would shoot p5 instead

may kill her later than 2RL then

[crystal flicker]

Shes good Noah counter, just put her on P1 or P2 and she'll stun Noah or taunter

[atomic wolf]

@tropic summithelp me build a team

pookie

[tropic summit]

just post your box

or link it here if you already did

[atomic wolf]

its on what i replied

just see the reply i pinged you with

[tropic summit]

those are your current 5 teams, i don't see your box

[muted citrus]

Can someone please help me build an attack team for this defense setup?

T1: 2RL
T2: 2.5RL
T3: 2RL
I'll reply with what I used to attack these teams and failed and need some help on my next post!

my attack team:
T1: 3RL Cindy (fodder)
T2: 2RL Scarlet
T3: 2RL Emilia + RH

I was only successful on my T3

T2: enemy rosanna killed my scarlet before she could go off. I was thinking to put cindy 2RL in there but then I need another counter team..

[tropic summit]

you sure T3 is 2RL?

[covert lintel]

3rl

[muted citrus]

Oh! Maybe I miscalculated!!

[tropic summit]

i'd try this

ensure you're not on CP deficit and are running optimal builds on scarl + trina

[covert lintel]

won't T3 get blocked?

[muted citrus]

Ty!! Why Liter and not RH ?
Also will scarlet get cancelled because of enemy Noah?

[tropic summit]

@muted citrus @covert lintel you both need to get familiar with burst timings

2RL B3 hits before 3RL noah buff kicks in

2RL vs 2.5RL is a bit closer instead, as it allows opponent to hit B1, this may change things if for example noise or moran are used and your scarlet lacks double buffs

[muted citrus]

Is this in the same google docs?

[tropic summit]

#pvp-arena message

[tropic summit]

if running RH you need to put trina before RH, which may lead to exposed trina to damage, if she's too squishy/uninvested it's tedious, liter ensure you can run trina in p3 instead

obviously if you've an invested trina and can safely run her in p2, then you can run RH instead

[muted citrus]

My Trina isn’t big invested, just OL and 4/7/7

[tropic summit]

yep there you go

[muted citrus]

Can you please kindly point me to where this screen is? I’ve been using the burst gen from komisu everyday and didn’t see this

[tropic summit]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JUiiuHysG3vlWRPVx_wT6zUwkc5Ob9n8G0azCbuwlA8/edit?gid=0#gid=0

[covert lintel]

should i use siren on 4rl stall team instead of moran?

[pale knoll]

What siren burst gen?

[radiant storm]

Any copium team for Siren Pvp

[tropic summit]

generic AR but waiting for accurate calculation

[pale knoll]

Ty

[tropic summit]

she's a B1 buffer with added value of stunning, in anything that is not rookie that's around 3RL

[radiant storm]

What team is she in to form that 3RL?

[tropic summit]

any, she's a buffer

[modest summit]

Just logged in and seeing Siren everywhere. Is she OP and must have right now?

[tropic summit]

here's 2 example

[tropic summit]

not OP, but does add a stun variable, like soda but limited to p1 or to taunter

[modest summit]

I see I see

[tropic summit]

the useful bit is that she's not just stun value but adds buffs

[radiant storm]

She can clear in content such as Anomaly with ease

[tropic summit]

we talking about pvp here tho

[radiant storm]

Yea, for pvp she isn't a best pick but can be slotted to any teams

[tropic summit]

ye correct

[pale knoll]

Not 2rl?

[radiant storm]

If you go against a Stall team, can what pos can she stun?

[tropic summit]

she stuns around 2RL in rookie
she stuns around 3RL in SParena

[radiant storm]

Pos 1?

[tropic summit]

thanks to the mess they made with FPS, at least for now

[tropic summit]

she stuns whoever she's shooting, p1 or taunter

[radiant storm]

Yo, that's sick

So if she stun Noah with ongoing burst chain, will Noah burst or Biscuit?

[tropic summit]

if you're stunned you can't cast, which results in whoever is next B2 in line

[radiant storm]

Makes sense, so Stall gonna be easy if B1 Siren against a Pos 1 or Pos 2 Noah and Noise

[kind palm]

if no one then your burst got stalled for 3 sec

[tropic summit]

depends if rookie or SParena, noah is generally on 2RL

[covert lintel]

as long as it's not against scar trina

[quick lake]

why 4RL

[covert lintel]

leftover team

[tropic summit]

you're wasting a biscuit, a noise, a s.anis and a xmaiden for that?

4RL teams have less than 25% win ratio in CA

probably a good idea to think about something else, but then again your choice

[hollow summit]

they fixed mg

hmm pvp would be interesting

siren kills scarlet 2rl
makima resurface

mg resurrect in 30fps gaming

[covert lintel]

i can make it to 3rl with viperT but no siren

[radiant storm]

Yeah, in Anomaly Kraken, I was doing 4.4b-4.7b, after that mg 60 fps update, got to 5.4b

Hard stun Noah huh

[glad glade]

Siren stuns in 3RL in Champion arena right?

[quick lake]

yes

[glad glade]

Sweet. So that means my P1 gets to burst before getting stunned if I have a 2.5 RL right?

[crystal flicker]

Should be

The burst might be around 2.82 ish

[glad glade]

Perfection. Thank you

[quick lake]

Siren stuns at 3RL.
ur 2RL B3 team bursts at 3.16RL

[late tiger]

need a 5th team suggestion
PVP units and highly invested left are: Maikma, Pepper, Noir, Anis, Privaty (Maid), Poli, Tia, xAnne, Rapunzel, Ice Maiden, Quiry (not highly invested), Naga, Ein

for now i came up with
Makima/Pepper/Anis/ Privaty Maid (or Ein)/ Noir

[vapid burrow]

in the burst gen calculator is 'emilia 21+% CS' counting her overload charge speed?

[late tiger]

yes

[vapid burrow]

cool ty ❤️

[tropic summit]

unbuffed ein and pmaid aren't lethal

then again it doesn't seem you can run much else

[jagged mesa]

guys did the fps fix affect pvp at all

[graceful grotto]

@quick lake comment come come

[late tiger]

ye, i expected as much

[umbral belfry]

I CAN SLEEEEEP

[tropic summit]

T1: SG weak
T2: liter with emilia? liter buff runs out before emi hits nuke iirc
T3: overcommited
T4: SG weak, blanc unprotected
T5: SG weak

[jagged mesa]

omg what the

[umbral belfry]

[graceful grotto]

SG weak meaning unit 5 position in danger?

[tropic summit]

either your only B2 is in danger, your chain is in danger or pressure will tank your burst gen

[late tiger]

@tropic summit what do you think of this comb
Noah/Noise/Cindy/Bay/Biscuit

[tropic summit]

it's fine to have 1 or 2 SG weak teams, avoid having more than those

especially the blanc one is concerning anyway

and spread your helm from scarlet

[tropic summit]

bay is doing nothing there, p5 biscuit is bad, too slow

[late tiger]

why doesn´t bay do anything there?

[tropic summit]

you're bursting with noah, that's a B2, bay is a B2... bay needs to burst to link

[graceful grotto]

For T3, I tried using 3RL Trina, but 3RL or 2.5RL scarlet is so easily countered I ended up losing a lot of possible winnable battle (especially when Blanc is involved)

At least on my last CA hahaha

[late tiger]

that is intentional, i only use her for AOE nukes

[tropic summit]

then what is she doing there

[late tiger]

does she have to burst for her cover to mitigate AOE attacks?

[tropic summit]

lemme rephrase it better then:

-biscuit is in p5, can be sniped
-bay is in p4, with a noah in p1, bay cannot cast or contribute anything
-team is 4RL, can lose to 2RL and 3RL

win ratio of 4RL teams is less than 25%, in SParena that's a free win

[late tiger]

so pref remove bay and raise RL to 3

[pale knoll]

Getting last cd breakpoint gives 8-9 cd/h

[tropic summit]

noah biscuit cind flex noise = promote it to 3RL

then that team could've a win ratio of 44%-55%, still bad for SP arena def as cindy on 3RL is terrible

[tropic summit]

finally can play the game with CP boost, time to mald

...for a few stages

[pale knoll]

I need to beat black snake first

Wonder if I can beat it at 521

[tropic summit]

only one way to find out

scar-jack
biscuit locked teams (p1 def + p5 def)
moran + mana or rapunzel

cindy can also mitigate SGs on p5

[graceful grotto]

change up abit

maybe rapunzel shouldn’t be in pos2? hmmm

[tropic summit]

they all share the same issues

[graceful grotto]

man having 5 team is so hard hahahaha

especially when i wanna do 2RL on one team

[graceful grotto]

yeah i’m debating how to make it safe, let me think think hahahaha

[tropic summit]

realistically you only need noah and scarlet to be 2RL

the other teams will have to do on 2.5RL (CS%) or 3RL

SG team with ross can be 2RL or 2.5RL depending on sacc

[graceful grotto]

what’s ur team like?

[tropic summit]

i suggest starting from these 2 skeletons out of the 5 teams then go from there

[graceful grotto]

no laplaceT sadly

[tropic summit]

1. laplace and xmaiden can be alternated with clip SGs, ensure scarlet is linked
2. that team has a flex spot, you can put either nuke oriented or DPS oriented
3. you've still open biscuit and most clip RLs for other teams

[late tiger]

changed it up now
i am contemplating, if i should separate SBS from emilia, but it happened quite often that she dies prior

[tropic summit]

use clip SGs instead

you can even use SBS as flex, if p1 and p2 linked on 97% to 2RL it's guaranteed 2RL with minimal feed / scarlet s2

you want scarlet and noah to be 2RL to be 2RL resistant but also siren resistant

[vapid burrow]

Is SBS better to use than A2 ? My A2 is 10k higher power than SBS

[tropic summit]

T1 overcommited
T2 SG weak
T3 unbuffed ein has no threat
T4 noah 3RL, good luck
T5 unprotected blanc, good luck

[pale knoll]

What did you go for? 3 really strong teams or 5 where the strength is more spread out?

[tropic summit]

realistically, 2RL scarlet, 2RL noah, 3RL indom (biscuit locked), SG team, 5th team i've to think of something that works against SGs but also doesn't let siren snowball

[late tiger]

T1 change THelm to Anis for 2RL
T2 coin toss that i encounter SG, so i will prob go with it
T3 salvaged Anis for T1, maybe noir somehwere else too
T4 Insert THelm?! to get down to 2RL
T5 Blanc SR10 or place Emilia in P1, i guess

[pale knoll]

Hmm I see

[tropic summit]

T1 scarlet doesn't need to be natural 2RL, aim for 2.5RL with 90-95% gen and p1 and p2 linked units, jackal p5
T2 you're extremely hopeful on single B1 in p1
T3 change that team
T4 noah needs to be on 2RL
T5 lock blanc with biscuit or run blanc with at least a revive

[languid mason]

what should i run for rookie arena and special arena

i do not have summer anis

[late tiger]

i see, ok, thank you

[tropic summit]

taking a look

[vapid burrow]

is there someone trina can be swapped for ?

[tropic summit]

naga centi cind xmaiden noise
scarlet blanc rh noir jackal
noah biscuit rrh siren helmt

quantum on jackal
vigor on blanc, biscuit, noise
temperance on noah
run any high lvl cube on the others

raise CP on those marked in SS

[languid mason]

ty very much

[tropic summit]

scarlet needs either trina or RH + blanc to be lethal, else you could run an indom scarlet instead

[vapid burrow]

this was my scarlet team but i put it in the calculator and it says 3 RL, will it be fine with RH and blanc then?

[quick lake]

likely best u can do

[tropic summit]

post ur box, maybe you missing something

[graceful grotto]

@tropic summit how about this?

4RL 2.5RL 2RL 3Rl 2RL

[tropic summit]

T1: SG weak
T2: SG weak (noah as single B2, no protection)
T3: it's fine
T4: you going for indom anis?
T5: single B1 in p1, SG weak

[graceful grotto]

oh yeah ned to move sbs and anis

[tropic summit]

[graceful grotto]

T5 i was thinking if i can 2RL this, noise should survive

[tropic summit]

noise dies to 4 SGs within 1RL

[graceful grotto]

since it's a quick burst

[tropic summit]

you can take the risk obviously

[graceful grotto]

ah welp, have to bet somehow hahaha

cant make a perfect 5 team man haha

[tropic summit]

cindy on 3RL has less than 44% win ratio

[graceful grotto]

yeap, hence 2RL that one

[tropic summit]

but you're shooting yourself in the foot with noise in p1 imo

[vapid burrow]

second pic was my teams last time. 4th team was rubbish and im definitely fixing last two

[graceful grotto]

hmmm if i put centi in p1 i think she wont survive even with noise taunting some units at p5 or p2

[tropic summit]

SG will shred her within 2RL

even if you divert a part of those SG from 1RL onward

noise taunts p1 and p2

[tropic summit]

you can free up emi and RH, change scarlet team into this

she retains 2RL, still potentially lethal dmg, adds indom

[quick lake]

I cant cook my teams

[tropic summit]

siren is the real problem because i gotta fix some teams now

[quick lake]

Cant think of teams to fit her in

[vapid burrow]

thanks for the help ❤️

[graceful grotto]

she good in pvp?

[tropic summit]

any 3RL imo, she'll lose to 2RL anyway

that pinpoints the choices already

[quick lake]

Not bad. Viable option

[graceful grotto]

how's her RL

[quick lake]

her gen is bad, but that P1 stun is quite valuable

and mini buff

[tropic summit]

slightly above SMGs, below ARs

so: 💩

[quick lake]

I might be using Poli for more SGs

[tropic summit]

good ol' poli

buff, shields and cope

[graceful grotto]

i think this is much better now

T1 is screwed no chance hahaha

[tropic summit]

you keep making weird choices mate

post your box please

T3 and T4 are now fine, but the others still make little sense

[quick lake]

T1 can put more SG tbh

[covert lintel]

that puppy has too low normal atk
she won't give much pressure

[quick lake]

I need defender SG

anyways, teams no confirmed

[atomic wolf]

comment what what? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPvs2riQTMY

[atomic wolf]

crap

[atomic wolf]

@tropic summit

[strong hull]

[graceful grotto]

here

[tropic summit]

ok thanks

[strong hull]

[atomic wolf]

my bad, i thought i linked the correct one

[tropic summit]

no worries

[graceful grotto]

did u invest in siren?

[strong hull]

Not yet

Benching her ahh

Ill look at her when done Drake

[atomic wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/grandpa-galaxy-gas-whippet-drugs-meme-gif-17209813722644813362

[tropic summit]

throw mana in synchro also what's your reiT skill and investiment

[graceful grotto]

zero reiT investment hahaha

[tropic summit]

that's fine

these are the grills we gonna work with @graceful grotto

[elder cosmos]

does someone mind to work with this? i just need 2 teams currently, will adjust on my own for the 3rd team, thanks in advance

I'm not looking for a balance between 3 teams, only for 2

• Anis btw

i didn't notice that Noise is absent from the screenshot, + Noise ofc

[vapid burrow]

which order is better? (Soda/Drake/XAnne/Rosanna/Noir or Noir/Soda/XAnne/Rosanna/Drake)

or a secret third option 😅

[raven plover]

whoever is tanky at p5

[tropic summit]

if rosanna can be invested to 7/10/10 replace siren with her

T1: bread winner, SG resistant, siren resistant
T2: bread winner, SG resistant, siren resistant
T3: leaning on good, siren weak, SG resistant
T4: average, siren resistant, SG resistant
T5: leaning bad, may become average with rosanna invested and instead of siren, siren resistant, SG weak

use these as reference if you struggling with make SG resistant / siren resistant teams

not covering for those will not necessarely translate in a bad team, but you'll have to consider RNG involved

[raven plover]

gonna copy that

[tropic summit]

ok you're next

[atomic wolf]

mhm

[tropic summit]

keep in mind cindy and grave together are unlikely here

[atomic wolf]

just in time i just got done with houseworks

[atomic wolf]

[covert lintel]

when mine

[tropic summit]

let's start with the bad news

[atomic wolf]

give him some time, 5 teams are not easy to calculate

[tropic summit]

out of those, we'll probably need a few of the batteries

[atomic wolf]

CA autosync 400

unless you're saying something else

[tropic summit]

synchro = budget invest (4/4/4, 2OL, R5-R15 doll)

[atomic wolf]

ok now that's a problem

[tropic summit]

mhm

but let's see maybe won't need a lot of them

[atomic wolf]

there are four people i'm concerned about in my bracket, which are heavily invested

as long as i do not get grouped up with them, that should not be a problem

let's start by breaking it down from the top

[covert lintel]

will you win again?

[raven plover]

no Im using the same exact teams I used last CA. won once Im satisfied. now I sleep. you have to win

[quick lake]

u won last season?

2 streakkkk lets gooo

[raven plover]

yea

luck was on my side

[atomic wolf]

omaygot... the father of ambatunat

[covert lintel]

can't, cause rail don't want to cook good team for me

[covert lintel]

rapun blessing

[raven plover]

bribe rail with nitro

[atomic wolf]

ngl i expect my ca team to be unusable anyways

qualifying to top 16 to get my name shown here is quite hard

[umbral belfry]

Lock in 🗣️

[atomic wolf]

i've decided one team has to have cindy/grave

if i don't win then it is what it is, just like last time

[tropic summit]

looks like you can go for 2 good teams, 1 average, 1 decent, 1 that can at least trade against other 4RL or slower

[umbral belfry]

I respect the yuri ship but also

[tropic summit]

you can exchange naga with grave then, won't change much

[atomic wolf]

largely part of the reason why i want to get into ca anyways

alright then

[tropic summit]

that way they're still together

[atomic wolf]

also that team is gonna lose to blanc/noah right

[tropic summit]

cindy on 3RL loses against noah ye

[atomic wolf]

i can definitely get drake's treasure i think

[tropic summit]

also get noise up to speed asap

[atomic wolf]

alright thanks, ty

[lunar pawn]

definitely
think

[atomic wolf]

self doubt

(i no think)

[lunar pawn]

this CA I rest, 5th

[tropic summit]

as i said before you're skilled enough... how about you cook 5 teams then show them

if they're utterly bad then i can take a look

[atomic wolf]

rail is already doing most of the shit he can tbh

[tropic summit]

i don't mind helping, but if it's someone who has already some knowledge on pvp and just wants to be spoonfed that's not the right approach

(for yourself)

T1 good
T2 decent, lacks lethal dmg but has somewat ok SG pressure
T3 SBS needs time to get going, not running her indommed or behind noah/stall is questionable
T4 good
T5 decent, sensible to SG (RNG on side)

[atomic wolf]

wait no sbs?

[quick lake]

u can not use SBS in ca

not a must

[atomic wolf]

hmm

[late tiger]

Best evaluation so far, i take it

[atomic wolf]

@tropic summitthanks buddy

[tropic summit]

i'd say try to consider a different T3 B3, if you got anything left

rest are probably good enough

[late tiger]

I will try to find any nikke that is hiding

[quick lake]

@tropic summit I think I'll run this team

[late tiger]

Any opinion on siren?

[quick lake]

maybe moran there

[atomic wolf]

hmm

[raven plover]

my sbs jack team died to cracked bsoda 4sg team last CA

[lunar pawn]

similar role to soda

[atomic wolf]

ok so what i'm looking at here is
team 1: wipemaxxing
team 2: stall + dps oneshot
team 3: wipemaxxing
team 4: wipemaxxing
team 5: wipemaxxing

[lunar pawn]

but only stuns 1 unit

[atomic wolf]

is that correct?

[atomic wolf]

i do want to test the stun 1 unit because it looks like it will stuns whatever she's targetting

[late tiger]

I can replace sbs with ein, also ends up with 3RL, also rapu and xanne will revive her in the worst case and she gets buffed

[tropic summit]

T1 glass cannon
T2 snipe + stall, sustain
T3 3RL nuke, cindy offers some post nuke DPS
T4 3RL nuke, still has decent DPS afterward
T5 coping to get matched against a 4RL

[tropic summit]

unbuffed ein might be worse, keep sbs then

[quick lake]

pretty good if u can slot her in (her burst gen sucks)

[lunar pawn]

p1 or taunter

[late tiger]

Xanne is not enough?

[quick lake]

whoever she's shooting at essentially

[tropic summit]

might do, definitely won't be lethal and you'll need her to live... which will be difficult in p1 non indomed and non jackal linked

on the reasoning of just nuking then ein is better

[late tiger]

K o7

[atomic wolf]

i can setup t5, because it's gonna be funny

still depends on placement, but most team puts their 4rl somewhere around 2/4

real @coarse solstice ?

big fan of yours

[coarse solstice]

That me

[quick lake]

U gonna win CA again?

[coarse solstice]

I have no idea siren has me sideways

[atomic wolf]

honestly

this CA is either khiren wins, or ura wins

that i'm 100% sure, because nobody in our bracket knows how to build their shit

[atomic wolf]

siren is still 30fps locked in pvp/coop i think

[quick lake]

@umbral belfry ur time to win

[coarse solstice]

Don't sell people to short. I'm sure there was a lot of lessons learned in last season

[quick lake]

copy the winners teams

[umbral belfry]

my turn?

I do have a pretty good feeling about my teams this time around

but for now, i sleep

[atomic wolf]

no it's because i believe that everyone in this bracket just got lucky

also, as a fun fact ura

if you get matched with the demian guy, you're gonna have a good time

[dim escarp]

@tropic summit I think I m going with this (I havent up much pvp unit since last time)
any idea of a better way to use siren ?

[covert lintel]

[coarse solstice]

Could use her on scarjack to counter noah

[dim escarp]

[covert lintel]

[dim escarp]

so I just replace liter I guess?

[dim escarp]

then prob rapu in sbs team

[coarse solstice]

Yeah, Siren has a decent buff on her as well so youre not losing much damage

[dim escarp]

great and she's 10/10/10 so should be good

tyty

[rich ledge]

so siren only works against 3RL team right? she would do nothing to 2RL teams?

[coarse solstice]

She was tested in SP and that's how she behaved. We're not sure about CA yet. Rookie she can stop 2RL

[quick lake]

what are those teams

[atomic wolf]

actually this disables a lots of important b2 team

@tropic summit

[coarse solstice]

Burst 2 happens at 3rl

[quick lake]

If u look at past winners, a lot of them their main B3 was in P1. Disables a lot of teams

[dim escarp]

I do what I can with my invested nikke lmao

[atomic wolf]

this forces them to put the useless one to p1

[coarse solstice]

So it should always stop Noah**

[rich ledge]

since noah taunts she will always disable noah if any i guess?

[atomic wolf]

here's an example, like ura said it disables noah

[quick lake]

Scar Trina Centi flex Jackal
Noise Noah Cindy THelm Rumani
5x Sg
5x sg
left over SBS/SAnis

[tropic summit]

might wanna consider a better usage of helm and noah... especially with siren addition as anything that is not 2RL in CA can get stunned by her and delayed, in your case the most affected teams:

T1: moran gets delayed, you won't be 3RL
T2: unaffected unless siren is in p1 or p2
T3: unaffected because promoted to 2RL
T4: blanc gets delayed, you won't 3.5RL
T5: noah gets delayed, you won't 3RL, no shield

keeping the above in mind, try to make at least a 2RL noah, blanc will have to do, the enemy only got 1 siren, hopefully 1 chance out of 5 won't be that matchup

[atomic wolf]

it doesnt mean it kills their comp entirely they can still burst, however it leaves teams like cinderella with the usual suspect of noah into biscuit p1p2 unstable

still, this depends on placement, as in if siren gets to play against a team comp like that

they have nothing to defend themselves and that itself enables partywipe comps

[dim escarp]

welp

[coarse solstice]

You can get around sirens stun by having a single B3 in P1 that will burst after the stun Blanc SBS stock went way up

[quick lake]

Siren is mostly involved in the 2.5-3RL teams. 2RL teams still wipe as per normal

[tropic summit]

best bet atm is to get at least 2RL teams immune to her, and avoid having more than 2 teams open to both SG and siren

[quick lake]

Just run 2x SG teams legit

[tropic summit]

tbh considering all these variables, most ppl would probably just say "fk it i'm gonna go with w/e"

and let jesus take the whel

[coarse solstice]

We really need this season to have more information about best practices

[atomic wolf]

it's kind of a problem because, CA happens with the possibility of 2/2 1 random

[quick lake]

SG teams loses in scarjack and Biscuit team. So thats 3/5 teams winnable. So at least 1 of the 2 SG team is gonna give u a win.
Then pray ur ScarJack and Noah Cindy wins their 2RL matches

[coarse solstice]

Call it a scratch and take good notes

[atomic wolf]

so that 1 random can be a fatal end if it lands on a siren team

[tropic summit]

considering the latest feedback on CA, it's clear they're considering adding an "active" gameplay and increasing the entry access tho, as those were questions in there

[atomic wolf]

subhuman company

[tropic summit]

they also lose to biscuit locked teams tho

p1 and p5 defender + biscuit is SG bane

[quick lake]

Yep, lose to any biscuit anf scarjack

[tropic summit]

also lower odds against cindy p5 or moran p1

[dim escarp]

So do you have any suggestion for at least 3 strong team ?

according to my box

cuz I kinda suck at cooking for champ lmao

[quick lake]

I think 5SG can crack Cindy in time

[tropic summit]

your teams are fine as is, just turn noah into 2RL

[dim escarp]

alright boss

[tropic summit]

hmm i wonder, haven't seen one yet happening

[quick lake]

Same

[tropic summit]

generally it's 3 or 4 shots per nikke, cindy counts essentially for 2

4SGs take down 2 nikke within 3RL

[quick lake]

U should be able to kill 1 nikke in 1 RL

[tropic summit]

i think best scenario cindy dies and you injure p4 but not kill in time

[dim escarp]

and thank you 🔥

[tropic summit]

but ye i doubt i'll run cindy p5

i'm gonna have 3 sg and siren resistant teams, rest are gonna yolo and pray

[quick lake]

not happy with my cooks this time, but welps

[tropic summit]

the new RNG is now no longer the scarlet matched against noah, but the 3RL indom against siren

[atomic wolf]

ss tier in pvp

imagine losing to 5 sg

[covert lintel]

no comment for my cook?

[full citrus]

do people still build arena teams here?

[robust blaze]

sounds like siren S tier in pvp?

[potent pivot]

finally unlocked the mode, compared to Rookie PVP do I stand any chance in these modes if I have just started?

[tropic summit]

where's the 5th team?

[potent pivot]

Or just random 3 teams while waiting for more PVP Nikke

[atomic wolf]

still?

[covert lintel]

a bit below that pic

can't send 5pic

[tropic summit]

you can run this for now

scarlet naga rh anis siren, in that order

[fiery parcel]

I lost... how to improve team 2?

[tropic summit]

ye post your teams and box and we can see if there's something to improve

[pale knoll]

Pvp gets spicier

[atomic wolf]

DISABLE THE GODDAMN BURST ANIMATION

[graceful grotto]

Would swapping drake with regular SG make it to 2RL if 2 highest atker linked with jackal on p1 and p2?

[full citrus]

oki ily

[atomic wolf]

team 1 died too fast and therefore not enough burst gen, tia in p1 is just a causality for death and doom
laplace is completely unneeded there and you are already dead with improvement considering they have a noise

[full citrus]

can i just send my units? my teams are really out of date

[atomic wolf]

team 2 slower burst than their team, can be fixed

overall, you just need to fix team 2 burst gen and you win

[tropic summit]

if you're around 90-93% 2 linked nikke in p1 and p2 will likely get you to hit 2RL

you can check that on the calculators

[fiery parcel]

Team 2 almost won tho

[tropic summit]

@covert lintel these then?

[fiery parcel]

Im gonna ignore team 1 lol

[atomic wolf]

Almost won doesnt equal to a victory regardless

Anis is still alive after, which means scarlet wasnt strong enough to oneshot her

You have to make that team either a little bit faster or tweak scarlet a bit

In a scarlet mirror match the winner strikes first and if you dont strike first you lose regardless

[livid marsh]

What the best scarlet team? Scarlet jackal or scarlet rosanna?

[tropic summit]

@covert lintel

T1 SG weak, else good enough
T2 move rosanna maybe to p4
T3 overcommited
T4 you won't burst with biscuit, that's a bit of a waste with s.anis
T5 ok

[tropic summit]

the answer is depend, as glass cannon scarlet, rosanna scarlet and indom scarlet all can do better or worse depending on opponent

[atomic wolf]

@fiery parcel for now ignore team 1 like you said and move all resources to team 2/3
You are virtually accepting that you will either trade or knowledge check him if he doesnt know his team 1 can erase everyone in your team

[covert lintel]

i thought team 1 and team 3 are 2rl

[fiery parcel]

So who should go to team 2 from team 1?

Or is there anybody else i can use?

[tropic summit]

@livid marsh

[covert lintel]

what overcommitted mean? bad?

[tropic summit]

means it's best for rookie, bad for CA and SP arena

[atomic wolf]

SBS comp:
Blanc Biscuit SBS RH THelm (yes)
Scarlet comp:
Scarlet Trina Liter flex RL Jackal
Cinderella comp:
Noah Centi Cinderella Rumani Noise

[tropic summit]

as you're eating resources for other teams

[atomic wolf]

Overcommitted = they are wasting everything in one point

In this case its what rail said

[atomic wolf]

This can change depends on what other said, but Cindy needs to burst as fast as possible

Ideally if this is a cindy mirror match

[tropic summit]

team 1 probably not, team 3 can be 2RL if rumani is linked to jackal

[atomic wolf]

Yeah you're gonna lose

[livid marsh]

Woah thank a lot

[atomic wolf]

Because it's a cindy mirror match and you lack the RL speed to match it

Cindy mirror is pretty much you lose if they get to b2 first

[woven haven]

I finally got noise and a few other units. Curious what lineup I should consider?

[covert lintel]

my calc is like this
jackal is linked to lap+ and cindy

[dim escarp]

alright I did cook according to this, thanks for your help again and gl for your CA run

[covert lintel]

i used emi 38 because blood said to me i can use 38 if it reach 36cs

[tropic summit]

oh you've emi on 38%

that's reasonable then, looks good

emi indom actually resistant to siren on 2RL like that

as for noah team is also resistant to siren and SG

looks good

[pale knoll]

Cook me something noahless

The bigger account didn't get into CA because the others are gemming

[tropic summit]

your second best bet is bay 2RL

noise rumani flex bay flex, 2RL (likely needs helmT)

[pale knoll]

And we cope huh

[raven plover]

if privaty stun makes emi start over her charge, is that the same with siren

if it does emi might get perma stunned

[covert lintel]

how to do with T4?

[dim sapphire]

Hello pvp

[covert lintel]

should i make blanc p1 instead?

[swift mango]

140 pulls for 1 little mermaid, is it worth it? Probably not. But something I had to do.

[azure pike]

So, these are my cope comps atm. I do have better pvp units, but I'm getting CP-checked hard so I'm forced to pad with campaign team members like Crown, Naga and RapiRH. Any suggestions on improving these tragicomic teams?

[coarse solstice]

She's worth it 👌SU knows that. That's why she .5% pull rate ...

[swift mango]

She is 1% rate.

I went above average to get her.

[coarse solstice]

Seeing posted pull rates I'm not sure

I got 2 in 7 multis but then I've seen none in 200 posted

[covert lintel]

1/4
so when your draw become gold, it only 25% chance

[swift mango]

How about stop flexing

[formal estuary]

im brand new to pvp, can i have a starting team (:

[swift mango]

I got 4 SSR in 140 pulls also below average.

It's not my worst luck so still acceptable

[shell hazel]

afternoon everyone

[whole pawn]

rail i wanna ask

[shell hazel]

sadly no Rumani on my 120 ordinary tickets

[covert lintel]

not as bad as mine
70 1ssr miranda

[swift mango]

Wish I could MLB her. But that's would ruin my Collab fund.

[frail marsh]

Scarlet trina rosanna anis and centi should be ok

[shell hazel]

I got 3 crowns, a scarlet (OG) and a siren on my summons though

[coarse solstice]

That's been my rate lately. I was bored waiting for 2.5 and decided to waste pulls on crust. Thought maybe I can get a pilgrim dupe 6 multis only one crust and no other SSRs

[formal estuary]

thank you

[whole pawn]

i want to add a similar option like the one that lets u choose nikke to add on that table, i wanna know ho to make one in excel but idk where is the option

[covert lintel]

i got siren with tix

[swift mango]

That's super lucky. You got an unit that didn't even release at 1% rate in 70 pulls.

[frail marsh]

Dropdown?

[whole pawn]

fk u

[shell hazel]

[swift mango]

Stop flexing dude, I don't need your flex.

[formal estuary]

should i get them only to 444?

[frail marsh]

Sure

[coarse solstice]

Listen ain't nobody flexing

[frail marsh]

But you do need to invest more in scarlet and rosanna later

[swift mango]

Blocked.

[formal estuary]

(is crown sucks for pvp)

[whole pawn]

blocked

[shell hazel]

lmao he actually did 😄

[atomic wolf]

he's washed

[shell hazel]

weird my comment wasn't even aimed at him

[atomic wolf]

"I was bored" OK NEVERMIND I HOPE KHIREN WINS PIECE OF SH

[shell hazel]

someone salty

[atomic wolf]

Look at his name

If someone said thwy have 3 crowns honestly if that was me on the other end of the spectrum i'd kill myself too

[shell hazel]

plenty of crownless people

people pulling MLB siren in 2 multis or w/e as well lol

[atomic wolf]

He's rhe unluckiest one

Think of it like this, it's like winning a lottery of 2 millions after accumulatinf about 4b of debt

[coarse solstice]

Inpatient a better word choice? ❤️ 😭 Listen sometime you just gotta gamble

[atomic wolf]

That's him right now

[atomic wolf]

NO FLEXING

[swift mango]

Kinda with Siren exist now her off burst, low gen, flex position is challenged...

[shell hazel]

nature of the gacha, my comment wasn't aimed at him was just a general thing on how my pulls went lol

[swift mango]

[fiery parcel]

Previous try, i lost. Anis survived.

This is team 3 which won

[coarse solstice]

Is that an sr15 Anis....

[fiery parcel]

Yes. Scarlet ultimated, but couldnt kill her off. Wait let me share the video

[shell hazel]

they clearly like their Anis 😄

[shell hazel]

not sure I can really adjust my CA teams much since no Rumani to flex into quicker team comps

[swift mango]

I was determined to get her with pull. 350+ pulls ready for that. Now only 220+ left.

My worst luck was 110 pulls, no XMaiden. 200 pulls for Cindy and no other Pilgrim. 150+ pulls for 1 Rei.A and had to spend 400 voucher for 2 more copies in her initial release.... Now I couldn't even use her.

Anyway, you could have done more. Maybe.

[shell hazel]

might just yolo with the same teams I sent last time, they won't win the whole thing though

I went 100 pulls on Siren, I got her in 10 but I wanted to try for more lol

I have about 120 left for Mihara MLB

[coarse solstice]

Wait I think blood really blocked me to

[shell hazel]

the blocking day... blockening?

[coarse solstice]

I can't emote on his post 😭

[shell hazel]

Raltracer will save us

[tropic summit]

what did you do to manage in getting blocked

[shell hazel]

I was only stealing a little 😦

[coarse solstice]

I complained about my pull rate.

[shell hazel]

I complained I didn't get Rumani but I was happy I got a few crowns. Deez sent me to block land

[atomic wolf]

Oh my god its a SR15 Anis

He's a homeless individual

SR15 ANIS

i hope he gets cancer in game

[coarse solstice]

It survived buffed scarlet burst so clinched the mirro

[tropic summit]

oh oke that's silly

since RNG decides whether you get anything at all

[coarse solstice]

It's actually diabolical

[atomic wolf]

If it was sr0 or sr5 she would have died

[shell hazel]

I got Alice doll to SR-15 finally, I'm going to have to save up for Mihara some now

[atomic wolf]

But nooo LOOK AT THIS PDF FILE SR15 ANIS

[shell hazel]

Rapi RH took me 280 to get a copy, I heard of some others who went even longer than I did lmao

[atomic wolf]

Unlucky @fiery parcel you have to pray it one shots their anis

[tropic summit]

oof

[shell hazel]

luck goes either way right? 🙂

[tropic summit]

yeah no pity system but just spark... means you could go on endlessly

[shell hazel]

gacha pulls thread is full of people who get silly lucky

[tropic summit]

that's just bias at the end of the day

[raven plover]

same problem really better put emi p1, at least it can handle SG atk side

[atomic wolf]

You know what's the worst thing about this team

[shell hazel]

I think they could really do with an SSR in 50 pulls 100% type change

[tropic summit]

nope that'd hit sales

[atomic wolf]

You have to run noah to counter it, if you cant do anything else

[swift mango]

She took me exactly 200 tickets. Well, when I considered I'm lucky with pull or not I take note of other Pilgrim I got as well.

400 pull for Rapipi but with 8 off pull Pilgrim is much luckier than 200 pulls for Rapipi without a single other Pilgrim or usable units.

People complain about not getting on banner units when other couldn't even scrap into average rate of SSR.

[shell hazel]

it's not going to massively change it but at least you'll get something in a period of time

I know just as you say, you can go endless, my longest streak of nothing is about 100

if Mihara is good I'll go for MLB, I kind of want MLB for her lobby if nothing else lmao

[atomic wolf]

So it's gonna be scarlet noah trina liter and jackal

I know this looks like a crackhead addict comp but it ensures that team 2 cannot lose if one or two of them are still alive

[shell hazel]

I wish they published your history because I reckon I'm under the average 4% in general

some games do, or you can see the past rates you had

friends who play always get the banner unit in like no pulls at all I'm usually having to go further

[raven plover]

did 110 and no siren, I tix her as well

[shell hazel]

I'll repeat similar for Mihara with about 100 and if no luck I'll just tix as well

[coarse solstice]

I've had times where my luck is incredible or when I've gone weeks without an SSR. Just depends

.mostly evens out id say

[shell hazel]

pulls are there to be used as far as I'm concerned, after anni I'll save for SB collab next

the pvp gems help a bit 🙂

[swift mango]

Reverse 1999 keep the history of last 3 months. Honkai Impact keep history of last 10 pulls only. Most games I played didn't keep pull history.

[shell hazel]

HSR you can export history into starrail tracker site

so if you do it every few months they keep the data as far back as you care to keep updating it

[swift mango]

That's fan made feature no?

[shell hazel]

it is yeah but can't even see the data in Nikke

[swift mango]

You could just hand write down your history as well.

[shell hazel]

sure but I mean the game will track the pulls they just choose not to show it

nice feature they could add is all I'm saying as it's easy to lose track and I reckon most don't note them down

plus molds influence the rates a bit

[swift mango]

Less that players calculated the rate with evidence and that exposed actual rate being much lower than showed rate.

Happened in other games before. So they were scared.

[atomic wolf]

HAHA I GOT IT IN 40 ROLLS

[shell hazel]

i'm convinced kraken rates are off, always get less custom modules than they say

[swift mango]

[raven plover]

https://tenor.com/view/yugioh-punch-ground-punching-ground-it-shouldve-been-me-it-shouldve-been-me-not-him-gif-18069003738146878767

[swift mango]

The real gacha is when you reroll.

Lucky with reroll >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lucky with Kraken drop.

[tropic summit]

scams into a game that regularly scams? blasphemy surely

[fiery parcel]

So... SR15 anis is not normal?

Maybe they need the clip RL, and use her for cp padding?

[shell hazel]

I did not get Rumani 😦

I got a siren at least, I've got a good number of pulls saved for Mihara (120 atm)

[cedar orbit]

Aren't you guys going for core 7 Little Mermaid?

[raven plover]

he just like anis that much

[atomic wolf]

Sr15 anis is like serial killer behaviour

Nobody puts sr15 on any pvp let alone a goddamn purple rarity nikke

[shell hazel]

yeah deez for offended 😄

[shell hazel]

levi territory I think, I can try and MLB one of the pilgrims of the two each time but that is about as far as I'll get unless I get super lucky with pulls

I MLB Cindy and Rapi so far, will prob MLB Mihara or Siren whichever one I like the idea of MLB more

yeah and like my comment wasn't directed at him anyway, like I wasn't trying to rub their face in it or anything 😛

I'd sort of get it then but it was just a general comment I made, ah well, if someone wants to block me over that then they got bigger issues imo

nah can tell I can't react to their comments 😛

tbh they are about as ready as before, which is to say not fully. I had to pause and gather resources for the pilgrims so had to pause pvp investments

also lack of Rumani limits my team comps a bit in terms of what I can throw together, not a huge issue on SPA but on CA I don't think I can do 2 x 2RL teams for example

I'll keep going yeah, I need to OL one more siren bit and then all 4 Mihara bits prob

so work in progress

I don't, it's a constant issue

my main campaign team is sat on anything from OL+0 to OL+4

so I need to boost those at some point further

I'll catch up with them eventually, they fixed skills and doll mats a bit but gear fodder and rocks will be similar

I need to decide where to go with my rocks next tbh, it's so easy to spend 50 rocks in a minute with RNG on rolls

I saved up about 40 for siren and mihara together, so I'll probably see how my initial ones look

[wicked burrow]

how would you rate these teams? obviously cp is insanely low but they're both RL3 at least

[tropic summit]

weak B3 choice
lacks lethal

although if you've nothing else, these will do better than opponent 4RLs

[wicked burrow]

probably nothing better but I can show the stash

[tropic summit]

show stash + your other teams

[wicked burrow]

just a moment

these 3 are your cookings rail

[strange linden]

Does Siren stun works on pvp?

[shell hazel]

I believe so yeah

[patent niche]

Which would you consider using tempering vs endurance if same level?

[tropic summit]

for CA gonna need to spread a bit

[wicked burrow]

can you adjust it then please?

[raven plover]

tempura 100%

[tropic summit]

you're skilled enough to at least try cooking your 5 teams and then in case just get feedback

[tropic summit]

ye taking a look

[wicked burrow]

🛐

[tropic summit]

ye but that's how you learn

make ur 5 teams then show them then get feedback and fix whatever you missed

[tropic summit]

throw trina and anis in syncro, if possible also siren and pepper

[tropic summit]

gonna be working with these

[wicked burrow]

laplace is sr 0 lvl

curently working on drake

[wicked burrow]

these 4 are all 0 OL and 444 except siren she's 777

I might OL 2 gears on siren but not sure I will get 2 stones

[wicked burrow]

do I show the stash again with them or just them?

but yeah, they're literally at the bottom

[formal estuary]

is biscuit good

[wicked burrow]

I know yes

[formal estuary]

can u make me a pvp teamm

Here my box

i think i got biscuit down there

[wicked burrow]

she is there 4th from left in the bottom line

[formal estuary]

i think somebody gave me a PVP team like
scarlet
trina
rasonna
anis
centi

[tropic summit]

what's your quantum cube lvl btw?

[wicked burrow]

5

[formal estuary]

thank youu

damnnn, pvp is really different

thx for the helpp (=

[tropic summit]

let's go with this, was undecided if to sacrifice a team to get noah on 2RL but it would probably reduce ur odds, rather take this risk

beware T3 needs quantum lvl 3 on centi and drake, as for SS above

[wicked burrow]

will check it in a moment cp wise

[tropic summit]

CP won't matter for CA

what is gonna matter is your

OLs
doll
affection
skill lvls
cubes

[wicked burrow]

I see

[fiery walrus]

What do you guys think of these teams? I was thinking of swapping helm to team 4 and ice maiden to team 3 to make the scarlet team 2rl but I'm not sure which is better.

[tropic summit]

remove tia for an SG, get burst gen to 90-95% for 2RL

[primal lichen]

is Siren any good in pvp? Might try to make a team centered around her

[tropic summit]

t1 is fine
t2 remove rapu for SG, you want to hit 3RL there
t3 is fine
t4 is fine if you hit 2RL on 90-95%, p1 and p2 linked
t5 is fine

[covert lintel]

can this team become 2rl with jackal feed?
noise and lap+ will be linked

[tropic summit]

no, that's 16%

you're asking for 2-3 SGs to shoot you there

it's best you assume that team is on 2.5RL

[covert lintel]

back to rumani then

[tropic summit]

ye with rumani it's far more likely you'll hit 2RL

[fiery walrus]

Is this better, I figured it would be better to just take maiden and soda off team 1 since it was already my worst team and use them to fix the other two because i don't have any other clip sg built

[wicked burrow]

they are even decent cp wise mainly:
531
580
570
584
542

[tropic summit]

scarlet drake trina rh xmaiden, T4 you want trina away from splash p2 @fiery walrus

also 2.5RL scarlet on 80% will not hit 2RL, as long as you're aware of the risk

she'll lose mirror scarlet

fix T4 and i think you're in a good spot though

keep in mind T4 is overcommited in terms of buffs

if trina is 4/7/7, scarlet is 10/4/10, RH is going to do overflow

you could spare instead some extra burst gen to hit that 2RL

[fiery walrus]

K, I put put drake next to scarlet. What unit's should I replace rh with for more burst gen?

[tropic summit]

any that allow you to hit natural 2RL or 97%

considering your T5 and T1 have extra %gen, you can balance them out

T5 especially has 18%+ extra unused, probably from bsoda/laplace

@fiery walrus it's gonna be tricky, looks difficult to hit those extra 8%

even with cubes you'll get around 95%, which is not decently comfortable even assuming best case scenario that you counter a lot

although on 95% against mirror you'll hit 2RL via counters

could be passable

[fiery walrus]

Yeah, I don't think I'll be able to make it 2rl without moving helm to the team.

[tropic summit]

noah better stay natural 2RL

go for this nitpicking and should be fine

[fiery walrus]

K

[elder cosmos]

is there a guide that explains the termins used in pvp?

[swift mango]

Anyone know? What does pierce cube do?

[raven plover]

boost pierce dmg

14% at "max"

[swift mango]

Thanks

[covert lintel]

i'm still reluctant to put noise in p1
will she survive even facing against 3sg(bsoda with high ED included)?

[tropic summit]

nah 3-4SG are lethal within 1RL-1.5RL

[swift mango]

That's why you use a 2nd B1.

[tropic summit]

even to noise, especially if ele weak (bsoda)

[fiery walrus]

just noticed pepper is on here twice. I put rapu on instead and its at this now

[tropic summit]

that's because you've RH in there

what is she doing

[covert lintel]

if i put another b1 then it become 4rl

[covert lintel]

so p2 is fine for 3rl right?

[tropic summit]

balance with either another SG or xmaiden or laplace

[swift mango]

Then try make it 3rl.

[tropic summit]

p2 actually can die within 3RL against 4 SGs

[covert lintel]

highest speeds are used up
if only siren is sg

[swift mango]

Rebuild

[hushed kelp]

Siren burst gen pretty much the same as liters?

[swift mango]

I'm kinda tempted to just leave my current build as is

[tropic summit]

but your emi + miranda debut

[swift mango]

I mean the build 2 days ago before siren exists.

[tropic summit]

surely you're not chickening out because of a cute little mermaid

what is she gonna do, stun you on 3RL?

[swift mango]

She is not cute, neither little

[tropic summit]

wait what, she's not cute?

[swift mango]

Sexy maybe.

[quaint crescent]

Hey everyone! May I ask you guys for help? I somehow got into champion arena but I have zero Idea what I'm doing.
I really need help with making up teams...
Here's what I got right now.

[tropic summit]

oh ok, you saved yourself there

[swift mango]

Cindy is more cute.

[tropic summit]

was about to pick a knife

[swift mango]

Siren ain't that

[void cave]

With our current roster of Nikkes, can we make three 2RL defense teams for SP Arena?

[swift mango]

[covert lintel]

cindy is vulgar not cute

[swift mango]

[tropic summit]

T1 too slow, tia p1
T2 overcomitted, split up jackal from noah, remove modernia
T3 too slow
T4 cindy p1, gives enemy 1.75x burst gen
T5 you don't wanna B3 with RH but maybe with ein

[tropic summit]

yes

[hushed kelp]

Three 2 RL teams are definitely possible, they may not be ideal for defense though

[covert lintel]

i just realized this emi team is similar to what i am about to make

just 1 diff nikke

[swift mango]

My current build for Emi is countered by Siren. But if I rebuild she will be countered by SG.

No win here, only lost.

[tropic summit]

i don't have emi so i don't have that issue

[hushed kelp]

Are you using emi for b3?

[swift mango]

[hushed kelp]

Lol

[covert lintel]

hope my sr15 38% emi saved me

[swift mango]

Probably not. Unless you don't burst with her.

[hushed kelp]

Would 2 RL emi p1 blanc get bricked by siren?

[quick lake]

One of the Top8 players had a P1 cindy. It was pretty funny. 100% lose rate

[quick lake]

Emi stuns at 3RL

so no. Blanc burst, then get stunned

[swift mango]

2RL Emi get bricked by 3rl Noah and 3rl Blanc.

2rl Emi is already bricked.

[quaint crescent]

can you explain a bit, what do you mean by "T1 too slow, tia p1"? Should I remove Tia from P1?

[swift mango]

No need Siren.

[hushed kelp]

I hope everyone in CA runs 2-2.5 RL noah

[quick lake]

very likely. I think almost 80% at those speed imo

[swift mango]

Good luck with that.

[quick lake]

Expect Blood to win 1st next time

[swift mango]

I have better chance if Siren didn't exist

Now Idk if I pass the qualifier

[quick lake]

Yeah, I was really hoping Siren's stun didnt work

[hushed kelp]

Nero moran comp, should i be putting moran p1 now with siren in the mix?

[quick lake]

Yeah, im not that confident in my teams this time

[covert lintel]

you are a disgrace if you lose to megumin a second time

[swift mango]

It works too well on the other hand. But it's fine. I just too lazy to change....

[swift mango]

I doubt that guy luck out to final another time.

There are better fishes around

In my bracket.

[quick lake]

I dont think u should be worried about that. And half-invested Nero moran comps aren't great

Nero Moran needs to be at 2.5RL imo, with sr15 nero moran

[swift mango]

I could lose to him another time though, before even get to top 64 even. It's just luck. Which I don't have

[raven plover]

https://tenor.com/view/ted-lasso-afc-richmond-believe-gif-22969950

[covert lintel]

i should go to your bracket
cause my team weak, can't even advance to semi final last time

[hushed kelp]

Nero moran performed super well in last CA

[swift mango]

It's just luck, which you don't have.

[quick lake]

Survivorship bias. Only the invested ones made it all the way

My top 64 had quite a lot of nero moran that didnt make it

[swift mango]

Except Moran+Bay perform better.

[quick lake]

My champion had monster invested stall team

[raven plover]

your nero moran or other player cracked nero moran

[quick lake]

Me no quiry for stall team

otherwise I would have built the team

[raven plover]

I will do this if they start adding something good on CA, if not I will keep using the same teams over and over

[covert lintel]

how fast nero moran speed?
3rl?

[quick lake]

without cs% its 3RL. U need 2-3 units with 17% to hit 2.5RL for it to truly work

quiry rapun and helm

[swift mango]

Ideally 2.5rl borderline 2. But need lightning fast HelmT+LapT

You need Rapu+Moran+Nero max doll

[quick lake]

yeah, super expensive. But in return, it works

Probably only loses to Scar Trina RH

[swift mango]

It eats scar Trina alive if it works.

[raven plover]

anyone with bay max doll

[swift mango]

Scar+Blanc on the other hand.

[quick lake]

why

[swift mango]

Or ReiT+Blanc

[raven plover]

how tanky it is paired with moran

[swift mango]

[lusty gull]

#pvp-arena message

[covert lintel]

my max doll priority is for nikke that can useful in campaign and tower too

without climbing tower, i can't have daily salary

[swift mango]

Drake doll mission

[raven plover]

wait I still dont have max doll alice

[quick lake]

Congrats on winning! Well deserved

[quick lake]

Cant skimp on pve too

[raven plover]

https://tenor.com/view/gülmek-komik-gif-12950352696137374051

[covert lintel]

just daily and weekly mission left

[covert haven]

tots on my CA lineup?

[umbral belfry]

finalized my CA team

now to just wait

[umbral belfry]

cindy in pos1 is a nono p1 and p2 gives opponent burst gen

[covert haven]

if I were to replace rapunzel to siren on that same comp while also applying p1 noah, would it be a good rearrangement?

thank you very much!

[ember swan]

@raven plover sir help me, do u have burst gen new life

[quick lake]

T1 is fine. Rosanna not needed there imo, better to slot her into T4 as a pure SG + Rosanna team
T2: If SBS dies, indom can go to Noir or Moran instead. that has been the main problem with blanc teams
T3: A little bit messy imo. RH + Cindy is quite overkill in terms of dmg, better to separate them. And as Hime said, Avoid cindy in P1. Gives free win to opponent
T4: Change to pure SG team
T5: Biscuit doest protect noise here. I see some ppl using this setup but idk why (probably just more gen from noise, but unprotected P1 noise is risky, and biscuit not fully utilised)

[strong hull]

[umbral belfry]

tbh you would be better off running a 2 RL noah, as 3 RL noah/cindy is recorded to have below avg winning odds. that and the team has units that can be put elsewhere. but if you want to run that team and assuming siren for rapu doesn't kill your burst gen, then sure?

[umbral belfry]

I'm learning

[covert haven]

Thank you for the insights

[raven plover]

kosmiu sheet should be updated with mori, but he said since fire rate lock doesnt work on SP, he doesnt update it to 60 fps

I use bas7ial web tho
https://nikke-deck.web.app/

[umbral belfry]

Good luck

[shell hazel]

send them to me I'll run the same teams 😄

[umbral belfry]

Theft

I keep forgetting you're not in NA so i mean i could..

[shell hazel]

you using Rumani? if so send me a copy 🙂

[quick lake]

I recommend 2x SG team strat

[umbral belfry]

never

[shell hazel]

!

never as in never using her, or never as in never going to send me one?

[umbral belfry]

yes

that is my answer

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/is-that-a-yes-or-a-no-zack-morris-saved-by-the-bell-yes-or-no-you-have-a-choice-gif-12798800

[ember swan]

thanks, btw what is littel mermaid burst gen lvl

planing to put her in ca

[strange linden]

how's Mori in PvP?

[raven plover]

the same with miranda

[umbral belfry]

how many p1 cindy's will i see this CA

[raven plover]

people prolly gonna copy paste teams, should be less than season one surely

[umbral belfry]

the only thing i expect not to see is cp pad teams

[shell hazel]

pretty much gotta cp pad/cope a team or two

I don't have enough units really ready 😛

[umbral belfry]

I can understand a cope team, but if i see high cps all in the same team

[ember swan]

ic so its better to put her with scar+bulk burst gen

[tropic summit]

hmm let's see, i suggest you first get familiar with the jargon and the arena basics, in particular positioning, targetting and burst gen, this will greatly help get you started:

https://nikke.gg/arena-mechanics/

once you're familiar with that (it's a 5 min read don't worry), you can mess around with the burst gens yourself and see for yourself, then come back when you got still questions:

calculators:

mobile friendly: https://nikke-deck.web.app/
sheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/11KWYeyvef91A-vfFuqglJJ8-OhR90TcKFVpJ6Ny_5h4/edit?gid=1990278246#gid=1990278246

to answer your question off the bat, although i highly suggest you proceed as above first, tia in p1 will make you re-enter B1, which makes you slower than any other team on same burst gen threshold (3RL)

[unkempt flame]

can anyone help me make sp defense teams?

[quaint crescent]

thanks!

[cedar orbit]

I got 3 LM from 620 pulls

[tropic summit]

post your box with nikke ordered by strength and we can take it from there

[unique wagon]

Helm S1 not affected by quantum right

[mild moat]

Sorry if it's posted somewhere, how is siren for pvp? Seems good

[coarse solstice]

5 minimum