pvp-arena

[umbral belfry]

3rd nikke acc

[swift mango]

So you vote for SAO Collab?

[jagged mesa]

the third account isnt anything serious, it's just bricked but also bugged in a really cool way, so idecided to play it a bit

bricked as mentioned above, but also has an unchangeable marian icon and banner

[oak gale]

who wouldnt want an sao collab

[swift mango]

@ShiftUP, Please make SAO Collab Keripo will pay for half the contract fee.

[jagged mesa]

me

[oak gale]

die potato

[coarse solstice]

Also me

[spiral onyx]

Give me a Tsukihime collab instead, kthxbai

https://tenor.com/view/neco-arc-dance-tranparent-gif-7953644189250577267

[pastel owl]

do we hv 1 day to build siren for ca?

[coarse solstice]

With SAO I'm just sick of seeing it in Weiss Schwarz..... For like the past 10 years

[swift mango]

[umbral belfry]

that'd be a neat collab

[oak gale]

sanis 10 10 10 5 5 5 5 OL
cinderella 10 4 10 5 5 5 5 OL
quency 10 10 10 5 5 5 5 OL
helm 10 10 9 5 5 5 5 OL (tmr im maxing her stage 3 doll , and maybe in a week im maxing her burst)
liter 4 4 10 0 1 0 0 OL
soda 10 10 4 0 0 0 0 OL
alice 10 4 10 4 3 4 0 OL
grave 4 4 10 0 0 0 0 OL
phantom 10 10 4 1 1 1 0 OL
scarlet 10 5 10 5 5 3 3 OL
jackal 4 4 4 0 0 0 0 OL
trina 4 7 5 0 0 0 0 OL
asuka 10 10 7 1 1 1 1 OL
naga 4 5 4 0 0 0 0 OL
rapi redhood 10 10 10 0 0 0 0 OL
sbs 6 6 4 0 0 0 0 OL
blanc 4 4 4 0 0 0 0 OL
noah 4 4 4 0 0 0 0 OL
noise 4 4 2 0 0 0 0 OL
centi 1 1 4 0 0 0 0 OL
ruamani 4 4 4 0 0 2 3 (only head and hand ol since im oling her)
modernia 4 4 1 0 0 0 0 OL

anyone beyond that isnt ol
what ya think? @umbral belfry

[swift mango]

We don't even know if she work for Arena. Won't be worry about that but you probably has 1 day.

[umbral belfry]

holy numbers

[oak gale]

yep 💀
a friend of mine asked me in dm so i thought i should throw it here too and see what yall think

might send it in questions too but eh

[umbral belfry]

quency invested

[coarse solstice]

These from opm please SU

[oak gale]

shes my carry in teh campaign

[umbral belfry]

sbs 6 6 4 0 0 0 0 OL

[oak gale]

was busy building rapi redhood and helm treasure

[raven plover]

[umbral belfry]

personally i try to get my burst gen units (e.g centi) to at least 4/4/4 if you hav the resources

but otherwise not bad skill resets soon coughcough

[swift mango]

Maybe the left one, doubt the right one unless 3 SSR so she would be Free.

[coarse solstice]

Felt my SBS is also under invested:/

[umbral belfry]

[oak gale]

aint gonna use them anytime soon
every unit has some use either in pvp or in tribal towers or campaign
phantom for example is my main dmg dealer in the elysion tower

[spiral onyx]

Unless Siren AoE stuns Nikkes, she probably won't have any use in any Arena mode

[umbral belfry]

when i was gonna suggest you skill reset phantom LMAO welp..

[umbral belfry]

also gimme those

[spiral onyx]

Based on the current wording, the assumption is she will only bubble and stun a single target... But it's not even certain if opponent Nikkes are considered "targets"

[swift mango]

She only need to stun 1. It's already enough to kill p1 Scarlet without bursting.

[spiral onyx]

Pretty sure she would die from Scarlet Jackal reflect well before that lol

[pastel owl]

not necessary aoe, but stun p1 after 50 bullets if it work according to the wordings is hard counter to some meta team ig

[umbral belfry]

i'd get sbs's skills higher bc she has use in both pve and pvp, blanc burst to 7, and consider 4/4/4 centi skills

[swift mango]

Idk, at least she isn't Water.

[umbral belfry]

she shoulda been

[oak gale]

everyone is telling me that lmao 💀 thats why
but before i had helm or modernia , my only source of off burst dps was phantom , bc even scarlet has a downside bc she hurts herself and bc her dmg isnt as good as phantom
so its like if there is someone i would skill reset it would prolly be alice because i dont have much use for her and my game runs on like 3 fps so i cant really spam her burst

[spiral onyx]

50 bullets is about 3.33s btw. You're looking at a stun that comes out mid B2 in a 3RL team or mid B3 in a 2RL team

SMGs shoot 15 bullets per second at 30fps

[swift mango]

Well, enough to stop Scarlet burst.

[umbral belfry]

your last sentence, as a alice fan, filled me with great anger

[oak gale]

thats the current plan , max helm , get trinia to 7 , get sbs up , and then move to blanc
as for centi i can spare the resources , but outside of pvp i dont rlly have any use for em

[swift mango]

Scarlet burst at 37 bullets at 2rl. That's 3.5rl timing.

[spiral onyx]

That's if you're opponent is running P1 Scarlet

[oak gale]

im not kidding 💀 i have her ever since the alice event dropped , and no matter what i do she cant even deal more dmg than my grave, and does less dmg than my unbuilt asuka willie , which is like idk what to tell ya man

my only hope is that one day i can get her ol relics set up better , but im not as hopeful considering some ppl say that micro is needed or smthn

[spiral onyx]

And if they are running Scarlet, 50 hits at 30% counter attack chance is 15 counter attacks

[swift mango]

Most people do. By this chart B3 is at 3.2RL though, but I'm pretty sure the click happened at 37 bullets to me.

Oh well

[pastel owl]

yea i'm aware of the timing, the fact that she exist would shake the meta a bit, if it worked that is

[swift mango]

It takes about 0.3RL to finish one burst phase sk it's about right I guess...

[spiral onyx]

That's about 2000% counter attack damage just from Siren 's attacks.

Not enough to kill Siren (unless underinvested) but still a lot of damage

[pastel owl]

noah burst has some delay, but siren is passive, so

[umbral belfry]

Lap not in synchro I'd imagine you'd get her treasure eventually but throw her in there eventually

[coarse solstice]

Stop leaving nikke out of synchro .... They get lonely 🥺

[umbral belfry]

at least drake and lap are together

[swift mango]

The delay doesn't affect the casting timing. NOAH could die during the delay but her burst effect would still apply afterwards.

[coarse solstice]

Which is wild Lap T is so good

[umbral belfry]

Won't have LapT for a minute bc RH calls

[coarse solstice]

I get that my iron mats are still recovering from that 101010

[spiral onyx]

Against non Scarlet teams though, a B1 stun probably won't do anything cause no other team will have their B3 in P1

[oak gale]

i dont have spare bodies for her yet, and since i dont have much use for her rn im not rlly going to
im considering drake bc after i finish oling biscut and rapunzel ill start focusing on solo raid instead , aka building the teams necessary for it like the evangalion gang and drake treasure
maybe if i get spare bodies ill consider

[swift mango]

P1 Noah/Blanc 2.5-3rl

[pastel owl]

nah i hv encountered myself blanc bursted but nobody indom etc

[swift mango]

That's because the one supposed the be indom just died.

[umbral belfry]

Yeah if you're more focused on SR vs Pvp, then I'd agree DrakeT before LapT is the better bet

now go invest in SBS

[oak gale]

like this is my current missing nikkes
but before all i need to finish helm's doll and burst , and focus on sbs and then see where to go next

[umbral belfry]

good lord 😭

[oak gale]

is it that bad

[spiral onyx]

Stun would come in too late

[coarse solstice]

What is this...

[umbral belfry]

Aria

i think that's her name

[swift mango]

That B2 would be slower than 2rl Scarlet B3 usually. Unless Emi 33+% CS or HelmT 22%+ CS, like yours in a team where it matters....

[oak gale]

i like collecting women

[coarse solstice]

I have standards

[swift mango]

[coarse solstice]

Only missing her and it's fine

[swift mango]

🧱

[umbral belfry]

she's gonna spook you in your siren/mihara rolls

[oak gale]

i here by curse you

[tropic summit]

wow wish i didn't get her too

[oak gale]

[raven plover]

Mr. President should I send crow on his 2.5 anni pulls

[oak gale]

kaboom?

[umbral belfry]

how did this happen

[oak gale]

terrorism

[swift mango]

You are ready for Meta Crow treasure next year.

[umbral belfry]

Holy

[swift mango]

[coarse solstice]

We all have our own battles

[umbral belfry]

big fan of eunhwa

[coarse solstice]

9 head haunt my dreams

[oak gale]

i got her like 2 times back to back last week- , and i have a spare body too-

[coarse solstice]

She has 2 foreheads plus one

[oak gale]

we need her enhanced version

from the story

which i think should happen i na couple of months? i mean we are getting mihara

[tropic summit]

yes

[swift mango]

She went from Young adult to junior high schoolgirl overnight. Ready to join Ein.

[tropic summit]

she also got a bit more poor, so much to not afford proper pants

[oak gale]

you dont get it , its tactical

[swift mango]

Surely you don't mind stealing that from her too.

[gaunt nymph]

Tactical distraction

[tropic summit]

Ah yes, obviously there's less obstruction when moving.

[tropic summit]

i know of a man who could get the job done

[oak gale]

we gotta consider camouflage gentlemen , blend in with the enviroment

[oak gale]

blud's domain expansion is too strong for this world

[umbral belfry]

when this ver. comes out i'm going to further beyond

[coarse solstice]

This is much better

Maiden says the less clothes the higher armor

[swift mango]

I think meta CA is a done deal now...

2RL scar
2RL HelmT
2.5RL
2.5RL
2rl Sacc SG+Rossanna.

Nothing beat this line up.

[coarse solstice]

Well there's not copium nonsense so it's unrealistic

[umbral belfry]

this gif lmao

[swift mango]

Something @tropic summit Couldn't build because lacking Emi.

[umbral belfry]

surely you don't lose to bad rng

[oak gale]

surely you wont get the wrong enhwa

[swift mango]

Well, depend.

[tropic summit]

at least she won't suffer this fate anymore

[coarse solstice]

Not proportional you could play at least 4 games of tic tac toe

[swift mango]

Now you could also play it on her belly.

[oak gale]

lets play it on her belly instead 💀

for a second i hesitated saying what im saying sounds weird , but i remembered that im in the nikke community fak dis

[tropic summit]

the moment you enter this discord people already know who you are anyway

then again surely there are people playing this game exclusively for the plot and the pg13

[oak gale]

i come here for research purposes ladies and gentlemen

[tropic summit]

obviously

[oak gale]

surely

[tropic summit]

[swift mango]

So who do you think will get better Win ratio @quick lake ? SBS/ASS/Cindy?

With Noah/Noise team.

Also, Did you asked me to take the top 8 result of my Bracket? Still need it?

[oak gale]

this guy came for the game mechanics ^

for the gameplay

[upper grove]

My rosanna is unbuilt, should I cope with her in CA and slot her somewhere in with SGs?

Bunny soda and drake p3 are mid invested

[umbral crown]

I came for the plot but stayed for the pvp

[stuck pike]

If all 3 are using Noise Noah in the same team, then SBS or Sanis probably wins since Cindy's burst gets blocked while they have better DPS over the other 7 seconds.

Cindy is single target DPS and wasting it on Noah first whereas Sanis should target Noah only on one of her 2 projectiles. SBS hits everyone equally with distributed damage.

[swift mango]

I didn't just ask about them fighting each other. oh well.

[stuck pike]

Cindy team is the better team though since it forces a Noah to survive generally.

Frees up other teams from Noah

[pure moss]

what are the comps?

[crystal flicker]

Another peak arena

[crystal flicker]

I was about to upgrade Nero, but then I realized

[umbral crown]

nero issues

[crystal flicker]

PvP acc, but Neroless and Rapunless

Might stall some OL mats since I heard we'll get free DrakeT this anniv

[primal charm]

how hillarious i always at rank 2 on sparena and my reward is top 1

i dont know this possible lol

[final wedge]

Ofc it's possible...the amount of points determine the rank...ur rank 1 prolly get poked a lot

I need to stir up some trouble in my rookie n spa to test my def....my usual attacker got bored

I can't craft new def strat if he didn't successfully break it

[primal charm]

just derank to top 2 for reward but still have op to battle

do not win tho

suffer from sucess

[quick lake]

Idk tbh. Not many ran SBS/ASS with Noah

Im planning to run SBS with Noah Noise this time

no cindy at all this time

[final wedge]

I'm 3rd on purpose already

Guys??? Since Rosanna only debuff 5 buffs, this mean if I have 6 or more, my Jackal share dmg still on right???

[keen vapor]

I forgot it was the last day and didn't saved my first attempt so... Only maintained c6

[umbral crown]

[keen vapor]

Sorry , my def isn't holding up

[fallow nebula]

What anti parts units could see arena usage? Laplace buff?

And potentially usage of the anti parts cube

[keen vapor]

Emilia

But those stats... It won't be worth for PVP gimmicks

[spiral onyx]

Nikke don't have parts

Anti parts don't do anything in PvP

[fallow nebula]

See mori’s kit. Nikkes will have parts now

[spiral onyx]

Hmm, I guess her shield counts? Or barrier counts?

The effect kinda sucks though

[fallow nebula]

Ofc

I mean that nikkes have parts now

[primal charm]

do you have image

[fallow nebula]

Which means parts damage wikk do things in pvp

This could be a big meta shift

[primal charm]

what is the helmt comp, is this legit

nero + noise = 24% dmg reduce, sound huge

[fallow nebula]

Do not have helm burst in arena

[keen vapor]

Cover counts, maybe Decoy as well?

[spiral onyx]

I think it would only apply to the part itself, not the Nikke no?

Breaking the cover doesn't do much since cover in PvP doesn't stop damage dealt to the Nikke

[keen vapor]

Uh huh

[hushed kelp]

Nero moran for 100% damage reduction

[hushed kelp]

Helm burst isnt bad 😦

[primal charm]

this 2rl scar is soda comp right?

idk 2rl helmT here is cindy comp or b3 with helm

[umbral belfry]

trynna make blood give up his secrets

[primal charm]

WHERE IS BLOOOOD

[coarse solstice]

or its all fake :/ Meta can't exist until there is enough data to support a positive trend with a given strat. Its to early to tell

Y'all gotta keep track of the Win Rate for different teams in you respective group.

[primal charm]

cant wait to witness 2nd ca keripo line up

[raven plover]

prolly translation issue as usual

[umbral belfry]

dan heng

[crystal flicker]

I don't think sacc will works tho

I might need to start OL Drake

[primal charm]

what drake do with sacc

[crystal flicker]

Drake p1

She either Nuke, or became sacc to let your team finish the burst

[primal charm]

she nuke 1 target or all target sir

all enemy*

[fallow nebula]

ping a mod

[warm quest]

Why don't I see Treasure Helm in Arena? That busrt regen in theory should be very bonker in Arena right?

[primal charm]

shes everywhere sir

[warm quest]

Maybe it a server thing then

[raven plover]

[tulip quest]

IS Siren Little MerMID?

is she strong? or just Mid but as b1 CDR hmmmm

[unique wagon]

Yes.

[unique wagon]

PvP? Depends on whether if stun works.

Also wrong channel.

[crystal flicker]

Her biggest PvP potential just stun against slow comp

[tulip quest]

yea but smg Feeding jackal

[unique wagon]

Not exactly right

SMG shoots fast in PvP

[tulip quest]

I meant overall as a character both pvp and pve cause CINDY was META BREAKING

[unique wagon]

15/s iirc?

[hushed kelp]

Does sacc sg team need xanne?

[unique wagon]

That makes her stun at 3.33s, and idk what RL that is

I think it catches 3 RL B1

And might catch 2 RL B2

Because of burst delays too

I guess she is similar to Soda

[crystal flicker]

XAnne + Rosa + 3 Clip SG is 3RL

Found this graph somewhere in this channel, if this true and smg 15/s, then the stun will cast at 2.46RL

[quick lake]

idk how accurate is this graph

[bleak shale]

which one

siren?

[hushed kelp]

I really hope we dont have to account for p1 stun for pvp comps

[bleak shale]

my currently model expects her stun to be right before 3rl

[halcyon zodiac]

which team can beat this team guys

[bleak shale]

i also expect her to just melt if she shoots scarlet tho

[bleak shale]

any decently fast noah comp in range, im pretty sure ur cp gapped tho

[hushed kelp]

Would have to keep b1 in p1 spot to counter siren

[halcyon zodiac]

yea me still not break wall yet

[bleak shale]

just keep scarlet in p1 and siren dies

my liter dies if i shoot a scarlet

[hushed kelp]

But any non scarlet comp would have to keep b2 out of p1

[bleak shale]

or just 2rl burst it

[hushed kelp]

2 rl burst would still get b2 p1 stunned no?

[bleak shale]

it depends

if u have 1 cspeed or more on all ur RL/snipers

probably not

esp if ur looking at like a noah in p5 or smth (idk how the comp would look) ur also not getting the first few bullets taken

[crystal flicker]

50 bullets against Scarlet gacha

[bleak shale]

my liter dies more often than not when i tried it

[umbral belfry]

Can a 3 RL Noah catch a 2 rl scar comp?

[bleak shale]

no

[hushed kelp]

2.5 noah?

[crystal flicker]

2RL will finish b4 3RL even cast B1

[bleak shale]

it depends

[umbral crown]

at much you might B1 and thats it

[bleak shale]

with equal/0 cs u get it right before b1 iirc

well right before b1 application, not before the press

[crystal flicker]

ye

[hushed kelp]

2.5 RL B2 will catch most 2RL B3 no?

[bleak shale]

no

u have to be faster than 2.5 via cspeed or other sources of gen

[crystal flicker]

Sacc

[bleak shale]

that being said i dont think ive seen very many 2.5 noahs

like at all recently

i think 3rl noah was reaching "too slow" when helmT came out (back when cindy would bypass too) for sp arena

since we could do like 2, 2, 3

2,2,2 if u wanted to add some clip sg

trina and now siren seems to be making more reasons to not 3rl noah

[hushed kelp]

Once you burst how long does it take for b3 to go off?

[quick lake]

+1.16RL
1RL = 1.23s

[hushed kelp]

Is it right to assume then that b2 goes off at .58RL?

[quick lake]

the sheet should have all the values

[hushed kelp]

Theres a sheet?

[quick lake]

The normal burst gen sheet have all the RL timings

[hushed kelp]

Lolll noah proc is delayed??

Who figures this stuff out, crazy

[quick lake]

slightly hahah

[coarse solstice]

My rookie defense is 2.5 noah 🙂 Its deece

[hushed kelp]

So 2RL scar 2RL noah are pretty important

[coarse solstice]

Well sometime you want noah to be slower. But you don't get to choose in CA

[hushed kelp]

I thought i could get away with 2.5 for both…:/

[crystal flicker]

CA is placement strategy

[umbral belfry]

Why no 2 RL

[hushed kelp]

I don’t assume there’s any merit in 2.5 RL scar over 2RL

[crystal flicker]

You need to guess where your enemies put their strongest team and use decoy there

[pastel owl]

i think the decisive match is whether the third team got catch by opponents' 2 strong teams

[bleak shale]

U get to kill 3rl noah with slightly less burst gen

[umbral belfry]

2.5 RL Scar catches 3 RL Noah?

sounds risky assuming no cs rolls

[bleak shale]

I've done it

[umbral belfry]

[bleak shale]

Sometimes u gotta do what u gotta do for cp

[coarse solstice]

Higher CP and one of the guy in my rookie is beating me with way higher CP. So this is the compromise. So far its only one person that can beat that team

[umbral belfry]

Lock in 🗣️

[coarse solstice]

I don't even know how bad the gap is because he doesn't use that team on defense...

[umbral belfry]

Beat them in CA and show your dominance

[coarse solstice]

I kinda went sideway one night and put him into 16th place because it was annoying me

[umbral belfry]

Not the crash out 😭

[coarse solstice]

I felt bad but he stopped pushing

He would save all of his attacks for right before reset to snipe first for like a week.

https://tenor.com/view/sniper-no-sniping-sniper-no-no-sniping-gif-25321505

Like if your testing or something nbd, but he just wanted to be in first.... and thats my spot

[swift mango]

You mean rookie? It define by who attack later in the day if you can NOT defense. I could hit my whale down but no time for that now that CA come.

Need to test team burst speed and dmg.

Man I wish I had more quantum cube slots.

[coarse solstice]

?huh

[swift mango]

I read about sniping 1st rank lol

In rookie, the one who attack later during the day is the one who win.

It's that simple

[hushed kelp]

For sg sacc team is Tdrake or Bsoda burst preferred?

[coarse solstice]

Yeah I know why he does it. It's just lame as hell. 😂 Like take your extra 50 tickets. I like getting all my daily done and not having to babysit anything

[fiery parcel]

Is there anyway i can beat this team?

[quick lake]

Either should be fine. I prefer BSoda for AOE

[hushed kelp]

Anything to substitute not having xanne for sg sacc team?

[quick lake]

U need to have 2 taunters if the team
eg Moran Tia, Moran Noah + Biscuit

[hushed kelp]

blanc sanis biscuit team should beat that team

[quick lake]

Naga or viper imo

I dont think xanne necessary in SG team

[hushed kelp]

K thats what i have, team just seems jank

Lmao

[quick lake]

SG team has a surprisingly high winrate

[hushed kelp]

I imagine next season people will be building their teams with sg in consideration

I came up with a 2, 2, 2, 2.5, 2sacc sg team comp, dunno if it’s the same that blood thought of

[quick lake]

yeah, that’s probably the fastest line up for now

[spiral onyx]

also kinda sounds gimped and not entirely functional

you'd be sacrificing too much functionality for burst speed

[quick lake]

Yeah. 3x 2RL causes 1 weak 2RL, and 1 weak 2.5RL in my builds

[hushed kelp]

I think its somewhat functional lmao and ive taken sg countering into consideration

[quick lake]

SG fear is overblown. Its just one team, just like there’s only 1 jackal and 1 biscuit

[hushed kelp]

Sg team was what took me down last CA, was not expecting it at all 😦

But yeah now im overly paranoid

[quick lake]

Yes same but its just an unlucky match up

[spiral onyx]

Actually Im kinda curious how you're getting the last 2RL. Unless you're factoring in 38% Emilia

[hushed kelp]

I am

But its not 38% :/ im shy .6%

[spiral onyx]

Then yeah, ok, you can build 5 functional teams, you just need more rocks

well, questionably functional. I'm not convinced 2RL teams are always stronger than 2.5RL teams

[hushed kelp]

Yeah i was able to make the teams but the composition i had of 5 2.5 RL teams seemed stronger

Well, just have to see when the time comes lol

[swift mango]

That's 1 2rl more than I said. Probably would have to use lots of clip SGs for that or 38% Emi or counting 3rl with super fast HelmT as 2rl.

[spiral onyx]

its effectively Emilia38% + a bunch of 17% RLs plus some quantum cubes here and there

My planned S2 teams are 2RL, 2RL, 2RL sacc SG, 2.5RL, and 2.5RL

if I had 38% Emilia, I could make the last 2.5RL team become 2RL but it'd be much weaker

[swift mango]

Yeah, looking around last season result I think this is the meta ...

[hushed kelp]

Just to confirm 2RL sacc sg team is 3RL with Rosanna?

[spiral onyx]

Not really. Zeus had a 4RL SAnis team that lucksacked all its matchups lol

[quick lake]

Get lucky

[spiral onyx]

so you just gotta pray sometimes that the team matchups are in your favour

[swift mango]

Well, one guy has a weird team doesn't count.

[spiral onyx]

My SG team is a bit screwed though, my Drake isnt treasured and I dont have any doll mats

[quick lake]

Pray opponent SGs dont kill Noise or Noah

[spiral onyx]

hoping the new anniversary packs contain doll EXP

[swift mango]

My SG team use Product 23.

[spiral onyx]

its not a major screw, but its lost damage on the table

[spiral onyx]

wait, why

we have more than enough clip SGs to pick from...

[fiery parcel]

Like this?

[spiral onyx]

or did someone treasure their Viper

[quick lake]

CP too low. U need at least 530k CP

[swift mango]

True to its name

[spiral onyx]

oh

[fiery parcel]

I haven't OL rumani or Moran. Sigh...

[swift mango]

[spiral onyx]

so I dont do that sacc

[graceful grotto]

u need more CP mate

my guess is u didn't invest at all in pvp units?

[graceful grotto]

no jackal/noise?

[spiral onyx]

cause Im pretty sure even a Product 23 wont die fast enough

[fiery parcel]

Jackal is OLed

[spiral onyx]

Instead I do "sacc" by killing their P1/P5

[graceful grotto]

u have helmT right?

[swift mango]

I'm worrying she died too fast instead.

[fiery parcel]

Yes

[graceful grotto]

what's your CP for this team -> Noah Noise Sanis Biscuit Jackal

[quick lake]

Still not enough CP. U need more than 530k CP

[spiral onyx]

1,731,105 HP before recycling

[swift mango]

The most featherweight clip SG.

[quick lake]

Doesnt seem winnable, unless maybe some funky double sacc

[fiery parcel]

I put res cube on noise

[coarse lake]

I don't like my own sg units dying too fast, that's lost dmg

sacrifice too much dmg and your sg team ends up being essentially a trash t5

[fiery parcel]

I have helmT if that helps

[graceful grotto]

too much CP diff

[rich quail]

You need to invest in dolls a little more

[graceful grotto]

@quick lake so this happen, guess what changes next

[fiery parcel]

I am slowly.

Right now im dumping all blue maintenance kits into rumani

[rich quail]

Who do you want to max doll?

[fiery parcel]

Non blue going to lapalce so that i can treasure

[spiral onyx]

Lets assume the enemy team has 5 Emilias. At synchro 400, thats about 125k atk. Skill multiplier is 61.3% atk. That's 180k damage per attack. 180k x 5 x 2 = 1.8mil

Ok, barely enough to kill in 2RL time

but the opponent isnt gonna run 5 attackers. Probably some SRs and some supports/defenders

so its a pretty big risk

[quick lake]

Free Rookie rank up

[graceful grotto]

dude immediately match my defense lmao

[fiery parcel]

At the moment, HelmT, Rhood, Rrh, modernia and ein have max doll

[spiral onyx]

My 125k is also assuming C7 and maxed out gear

[graceful grotto]

this is why i still refuse to introduce soda

[quick lake]

Is that the Soda

[graceful grotto]

not yet

[quick lake]

Better not introduce

[spiral onyx]

so yeah, I dunno, depending on a Product 23 as your P1 sac is pretty unreliable imo

[graceful grotto]

i plan to introduce her only IF SPA kept being targetted

[spiral onyx]

better to just run a proper SG and blast down the enemy target

[graceful grotto]

if you're into heavy pvp, can consider investing max doll on sanis and scarlet

rumani don't need lvl doll, just give her a purple SR 0 / SR5 and be done with it

nosie needs more than her tbh

[rich quail]

Sometime, you may want to think about max dolls for supporters/defenders

[fiery parcel]

The pvp units are all at SR5, except rumani (R10), mOran (r0), rapu (r0), centi (r0)

[graceful grotto]

what is your sanis CP? since we are roughly the same synchro, we can see what we can make do to improve CP

[swift mango]

Well, there are also other modifier and Crit. I did some tests but will see the actual result next season.

[graceful grotto]

did u OL them already?

[rich quail]

But yeah, get pvp units to SR5

That is the route I took

[fiery parcel]

Bastion 9

[graceful grotto]

dude sanis always resilience lol

[rich quail]

S.Anis?

[graceful grotto]

never bastion

[rich quail]

Yeah, S.Anis needs Resilience

No ammo refund

[graceful grotto]

also ur CP kinda low for her, i assume she's full OL but all at lvl 0?

[swift mango]

Your math kinda rest assured me she would barely survive to 2rl but I wouldn't hold my breath.

[fiery parcel]

Not yet. Im OLing mMast right now. T9m L4 armor and t9m L0 legs

After changing to res 10

[fiery parcel]

5/5/54

[graceful grotto]

hmm ur sanis cp is surprisingly low, maybe mainly due to dolls

[fiery parcel]

SR5

I want to finish laplace, then decide who next to upgrade

[swift mango]

I wished Product 23 was an attacker.

[spiral onyx]

I did some math with my units and effectively, without factoring elemental bonus, I should be able to deal 4.5m damage (with def factored in) to either their P1 or P5 after 4SG attacks (2RL). A Noah with SR15 doll and lvl 7+ Tempering cube will have 4.7m eHP. But most don't have this and one of my SGs will have an elemental bonus, so I'm pretty sure there will be a death on the opponent's side in 2RL (or at worst, 2.5RL) time

[rich quail]

Your SAnis is most likely improved now

If she has SR15 she can be a beast

Mine is 3rd strongest

in my squad

[graceful grotto]

my sanis CP (same synchro) is 128k

[graceful grotto]

6th highest CP wise but her substats kinda sucks hahaha

[swift mango]

I kinda have to cope with what I got. No xAnne and all.

[rich quail]

4th strongest

Sorry

[graceful grotto]

who's your top

[fiery parcel]

Ok. So next non blue maintenance kit will go to sanis after laplace finished her treasure. Blue kits will be used for moran, rumani, rapu, centi and noise

[rich quail]

Scar

[graceful grotto]

based

[rich quail]

No wait

[graceful grotto]

she's my 5th lol

[rich quail]

Recently Laplus

[swift mango]

But this is nice.

[rich quail]

Imagine if I did all OL+5

I’m saving that for later

[fiery parcel]

If i swap sanis with thelm....

Or cindy

Still can't hit that 520k

[rich quail]

I’m gonna mess with more lines on Scar later so this will change

[fiery parcel]

I need to swap 2 out

[graceful grotto]

no laplace

my highest is... dum dum dum. alice

[rich quail]

My highest was alice
before I started pvp

I have been corrupted

[graceful grotto]

hence why cindy, sbs is awesome

both pvp and pve they're viable

helmT too

[fiery parcel]

My top 3

[graceful grotto]

oh core+2 cindy nice

[fiery parcel]

Not sure why crown is top tho

[graceful grotto]

prolly good OL stats (blue / black lines)

[fiery parcel]

Crown is sr10 OL 5/5/5/4 cindy is sr 12 OL 5/5/5/5

[swift mango]

Maybe lowering.

[graceful grotto]

max core jackal darn

[rich quail]

Seriously
I might have to
Line 3 empty curse

[swift mango]

[rich quail]

on 2 gears

[swift mango]

Me 3

[fiery parcel]

@graceful grotto not sure how your sanis has so much CP at 168k. I can barely reach 130

Even my thelm is only 127+

And she's my most invested nikke

[graceful grotto]

mine even more curse

[graceful grotto]

128k bro, not 168k

[fiery parcel]

Ah ok ok. It was @rich quail

Lol.

[rich quail]

Yeah, I forgot

Black line 1 and meh line2/3 is deffo hard to swallow

[quick lake]

To be honest, Scarlet only needs atk for pvp

My scarlet 0 ammo

[fiery parcel]

I finished top3 in SP arena. Any chance i will get to join CA?

[quick lake]

yep! likely will join. More than 25 nikkes, >sync 200, finish top 4 in SPA

[rich quail]

You are one of the rare breeds of 0 ammo Scars

You must have tons of stories to tell

[swift mango]

This make me thinking about equipping Products 23 with SR doll lol... Could bring irreversible effect though, I rather throw this CA to test first.

[rich quail]

Living dangerously like that

[fiery parcel]

Probably will lose round 1 tho. I barely have 2 teams for SP arena.

[quick lake]

I planned to use scar only for her nuke. I think Scar with ammo makes sense if u're running scar + Blanc

[fiery parcel]

Now i have to make 5? ☠️

[rich quail]

I do both, yeah

[quick lake]

Welcome to pvp hell

[rich quail]

So I need the ammo

[quick lake]

Done cooking CA teams?

[fiery parcel]

Most of my pvp are all under invested

[quick lake]

Its okay. Ur CA bracket would be under invested too

[rich quail]

It’s all good. If you invest from now and have patience, you can do a lot better over time

[swift mango]

mostly done

[fiery parcel]

Btw is SU improving the kits and dolls progression?

Mine is so slow

So far ive only ready about the extra burst/skill manuals

[quick lake]

I think they did mention increasing mats eventually

[fiery parcel]

From sim room rewards

Btw should i reset modernia? Or is she still usable at high deficit?

Or raid as a 3rd offburst dps

I know she's pretty useless in pvp

[swift mango]

This 2 weeks my rock was wasted for almost nothing. Will have to wait to next CA to improve my CS...

[spiral onyx]

Lemme also double check this with examples of other classes
Product 23's lvl 400 def is 12k and 1.7mil HP

Emilia (RL attacker) is 61.3% atk with 250% chg dmg and 2 attacks in 2RL time

(125000*0.613*2.50-12000)*2*5=1795625

Red Hood (SR attacker) is 69.04% atk with 250% chg dmg and 2 attacks in 2RL time

(125000*0.6904*2.50-12000)*2*5=2037500

Mana (AR attacker) is 15.07% atk, 125k attack and 20 attacks in 2RL time

(125000*0.1507-12000)*20*5=683,750

BSoda (SG attacker) is 231.6% atk with 4 attacks in 2RL time

(125000*2.316-12000)*4*5=5550000

D (SMG attacker) is 8.73% attack, 125k attack, 30 attacks in 2RL time

(125000*0.0873-12000)*30*5=-163125

Modernia (MG attacker) is 7.71% attack, 125k attack, 60 attacks in 2RL time (actually less cause of startup)

Gonna be same result as SMG unless attack OL lines

In summary:

• 5 RL attackers will deal about 1.8m damage in 2RL time
• 5 SR attackers will deal about 2.0m damage in 2RL time
• 5 AR attackers will deal about 700k damage in 2RL time
• 5 SG attackers will deal about 5.5m damage in 2RL time
• 5 SMG attackers will deal no damage cause of def reduction lmao
• 5 MG attackers will deal no damage cause of def reduction lmao

For Product23 with her 1.7m HP, its not a guaranteed death in 2RL time

No one runs 5 attackers anyway so unless you're on defence with a SG on their team, there's actually a pretty high chance that even a naked Product23 will survive 2RL (but probably not 2.5RL or 3RL)

Sorry @swift mango, the math does not look in your favour

[swift mango]

[graceful grotto]

u finished top 3 at the last second or u gain top 3 as in 3000 gems?

[spiral onyx]

If they're on attack and have a SR, that's -1 DPS on your P1
If they're on defence and have a SG, that's -1 DPS on your P1
Most teams have at least 1 defender and 1 support.
Defender is 66% the attack of an Attacker.
Supporter is 80% the attack of an Attacker.

[graceful grotto]

time for trina

btw @quick lake what's ur trina skill

[quick lake]

4/10/4 i think

[spiral onyx]

So your P1 at lvl 400 really shouldn't be dying in 2RL time unless its against a SG team or they are crazily strongly in elemental advantage and attack OL lines. 3RL time, maybe, but not 2RL

[graceful grotto]

wow

[spiral onyx]

This math also checks out with what I observed very early on in the game

[graceful grotto]

i have her at 5 7 7

[quick lake]

s3 scaling isnt good. So lv4 or 7 is fine imo

[spiral onyx]

Yup. Synchro 400 was indeed the "sweet spot where units get enough stats to actually be tanky"

[swift mango]

Well, it could be reversed with mixed and match units. It looks pretty good odd to me.

Like I said, I did some tests.

[spiral onyx]

The above math doesn't factor in elemental advantage and attack OL lines, which usually people will have on their attackers of course.

nor bonus stats from dolls and recycling

[swift mango]

Thanks for the math though. It's provided me with what to expect.

[spiral onyx]

Yeah, I was also curious of what to expect of putting any proper geared SSR unit in P1

the math seems to indicate that they will easily survive 2RL but not guaranteed 3RL

[swift mango]

This also happened.

[spiral onyx]

Which can be a problem if that unit is crucial to your burst chain, especially given each burst action takes time

[spiral onyx]

Thats also just Scarlet Jackal giving SGs a middle finger lol

[swift mango]

Reversed also happened with scar getting one shot from Rossanna though. It goes both ways.

[unique wagon]

Ive seen SG oneshotting Scar Jack

Its rare but happens at high invest vs low invest

[spiral onyx]

I can see that. 2.3m nuke on an unbuffed, underinvested <2.8m Scarlet

not including atk OL lines on Rosanna

[unique wagon]

And particularly in that clip enemy SG Noir Pepper both have 4 ELE and good investments

[swift mango]

The Scarlet that got soften by SG. Rossana got buffed from Sacc. There are also OL line and Crit.

[unique wagon]

And they were hitting into 3 RL Scarlet, attacking Jackal

[spiral onyx]

oh yeah, Rosanna also gets buffed

[unique wagon]

So lets say Noir hitting Jackal

Deals ~230% per shot * 2.2× (4 ELE, Cube, Base) = ~500% * 109.5% (Doll) = ~550% per shot, excluding ATK

Give 40% ATK, and it will be

770% per shot

And @2 RL that's 3080%

From ONE single unit

Invest in SG dolls and ELE/ATK

[quick lake]

Assuming 100 ele 40 atk

[unique wagon]

Worth.

They are in fact one of the best OL scalers in PvE.

That itself makes it worth.

[tropic summit]

-looks at the units where i meet both-
-goes back to sleep-

[unique wagon]

And in SpArena, that will also allow you to outcp your enemy.

Bruteforce cp penalty.

Happened in my pvp bracket. One guy rocking 800k, 800k, then 1.1m.

[torn obsidian]

assuming 4 ele on noir is wild

[spiral onyx]

3RL Scarlet Jackal is no guuci against SG Rosanna team

[tropic summit]

what's the rosanna team

[unique wagon]

It happens

[spiral onyx]

You'll find out in 2 days

[unique wagon]

Literally 5 SG CP Padders are hard to counter in sparena

[tropic summit]

that looks like a sacc or natural 2RL

[unique wagon]

Their hard counter is Makima but obviously that wont help when ur Makima isnt built

[spiral onyx]

Its a sac of course. Scarlet Jackal's gonna kill a SG fast

[unique wagon]

You do have Biscuit but Biscuit is expensive

[tropic summit]

oke so it's viper, reasonable

[unique wagon]

And for Scarlet to match their CP, it also means investing in her supports

[quick lake]

sacc teams hmmm

[unique wagon]

Which may include Blanc/Trina, Red Hood, or other units

Problem is it is impossible to reach 2 RL with PvE units only

[tropic summit]

ye bold but if he does get matchmade against a scarlet that's gonna be interesting, if there's a trina tho he may cast rosanna B1 too early

[unique wagon]

Therefore this results in → uncounterable scenario

Making 5 CP Padder SGs the undisputable king of SpArena comp

*against people who dont invest in pvp

[spiral onyx]

2RL Scarlet Jackal is safe with Rapunzel though, on both attack and defence, so long as your Scarlet is properly invested

[unique wagon]

Not without Trina

[spiral onyx]

Laplace eating a 1.89m Rosanna crit to the face and barely living

[unique wagon]

It happened to someone here

No Trina = dead

[spiral onyx]

Trina only helps on defence, not attack. The above video Trina doesn't do anything to save Scarlet cause the damage is going to and being redistributed by Jackal

[unique wagon]

?

[spiral onyx]

2RL Rapunzel is the key here. She bursts and tops off Scarlet and Laplace fast enough so Rosanna burst isnt able to kill

[unique wagon]

Scarlet didnt take any damage in 1st 2 seconds

I think @coarse solstice u have the matchup where u lose with Rapu Scar against Rosa Scar right?

[spiral onyx]

oh you're right, the "damage" is from Trina's debuff

lemme replace Trina and rerun it

[swift mango]

There is an easy way out against that, bring your second dps to be Defender.

[tropic summit]

video gone while watching it

[swift mango]

That too. But no buff scarlet gonna lose to other teams.

[swift mango]

I done watching

[graceful grotto]

i finished it before it was gone

[tropic summit]

lucky you

[graceful grotto]

[swift mango]

[tropic summit]

i'll never find out its secrets

[hushed kelp]

Does Quantum on scarlet generate more burst than on clip sg?

[swift mango]

[spiral onyx]

I had to reclip it cause I realized you could make out the defence team during the first few frames

[quick lake]

dammit should have saved the video

[tropic summit]

also this time rapu didn't revive scarlet

[swift mango]

[swift mango]

[tropic summit]

i did get to watch that far at least

[spiral onyx]

its the same video. Rapunzel revives Scarlet, Scarlet bursts

I should probably max out Rapunzel's burst but no skill books left atm

[tropic summit]

oh ye i see now

[spiral onyx]

Rapunzel's rez has a slight delay

[tropic summit]

yep that kinda got me at first

since b2 started playing and scarlet seemed to stay dead

[spiral onyx]

thats why I like to keep the animations on

it clears the screen upon returning to the battle

so it makes things easier to analyze frame by frame

[fiery parcel]

Finsihed top 3 before reset. Got 2,400 gems

[spiral onyx]

only problem is CA doens't let you pick which side to watch :/

[quick lake]

Thats... not enough U need to win 3k or 2.7k gems

[fiery parcel]

Oh

[quick lake]

Top 4 in SPA -> top 3 earns 3k, 4th place earns 2.7k

[fiery parcel]

Yeah rechecked it. Got 7th overall

[quick lake]

Unfortunately no CA for you

[torn obsidian]

is this order optimal? in my mind placing Laplace P2 would potentially get more burst, since Rapunzel is not getting low enough to stun anyway

[swift mango]

They needed to increase it to top 8 tbh. 32 brackets one CA also make SEA less dead.

Imagine 5 months old player in SEA need to play against 1 year 5 months old lol.

[quick lake]

Extending CA by 1-2 days is fine as well. More than enough time

Top 8 qualifies, then best 2/8 promotes to league match. There will be top 128 then

I feel kinda sad for my bracket's 5-8 who will likely not qualify for CA anytime soon

[torn obsidian]

or ever

very inclusive game mode

[spiral onyx]

You get more burst but whats the point when you're 2RL?

You only hurt yourself more for no gain

[torn obsidian]

right you have to wait for the 2nd RL shot anyway

[tropic summit]

agreed, entry point should be higher

we had several days of literally doing nothing with CA, so they'd have the time slots too in case

[spiral onyx]

The interesting thing with making it top 8 instead of top 4 though is that you would effectively just be doubling the number of servers. Which tbf is plenty fine, but it would be nice if there were instead multiple rounds of League instead of a single round

[swift mango]

I see why they did what they did. Making whale more content with their Core dust investment. Some guy already complain on CA threat that his Core dust investment was wasted because synch locked.

[tropic summit]

shooting themselves in the foot because there are whales locked out because of leviathans anyway

[swift mango]

Small time spender being butthurt.

[quick lake]

Ask the whale to invest in pvp

[spiral onyx]

if they did top 8 and 2 rounds of League though, that'd let them halve the number of servers

[tropic summit]

but how can they score top 100 in SR then

[swift mango]

Probably not whaling enough to core 7 everyone. otherwise he won't need to worry about arena investment.

[spiral onyx]

Core7 is not really CA investing

Skill books and rocks and dolls is

MLB vs C7 is only like 14% more stats I think?

a single OL line can add more than that

[swift mango]

Well, it equivalent to 20% more ATK, DEF, HP comparing to those who don't. Core 7 Sr0 is actually better than Core 0 Sr15 plenty of time.

So core +7 player can skim on Arena investment lots especially in lower bracket.

[spiral onyx]

Each core is +2% stats

unless you're comparing against 0LB copies

[swift mango]

Yeah, 0lb

[spiral onyx]

in which case... I dont think the 0LB player has skill book investments or gear investments either lol

[swift mango]

Lemme edit

[swift mango]

You don't underestimate the amount of 0lb Cindy, ASS, Scarlet with max skill and dolls.

[spiral onyx]

if whales struggle with skill books and doll EXP, F2P are going to struggle even harder

[swift mango]

[spiral onyx]

dunno, that just sounds like bad planning, especially on the SAnis part...

[loud sonnet]

[spiral onyx]

you're also leaving a lot of stats on the table by limiting the affection level

[swift mango]

Well, to the new player bracket it happened. Some people don't have much gem left in last year rerun.

[spiral onyx]

oh yeah, new player brackets do be like that

[swift mango]

And they would be still new to worry about arena investment down the line

[torn obsidian]

@spiral onyx do you think Blanc is viable without Jackal or Biscuit in CA

[spiral onyx]

its copium

I dont like Blanc, her setup is too conditional

but you just gotta deal with what you have

[swift mango]

Even in the oldest brackets in SEA I saw a guy getting into top 4 with 1lb scarlet. That's sad. I mean his luck.

[spiral onyx]

Tbh, thats also a testiment to how well tuned Scarlet's skill set is for PvP

Scarlet, Noise, Rapunzel, Noah... meta since day 1, always has been, always will be

[spiral onyx]

Back in the old days, Noise in PvP be like:

[primal charm]

Suprisingly tanky a unit actually be, while my p1 always die be4 burst lol

[rich quail]

I HAVE NO EFFECT

NO

EFFECT

i am weak and ineffective

[atomic wolf]

is this scarbatubas

[spiral onyx]

This would be specifically for CA at lvl 400 synchro cap, assuming C7 and full +5 OL gear

Being under C7, wearing incomplete gear, and/or the opponent units with high atk and elemental OL lines can result in earlier-than-2RL death

[blissful willow]

Champs has started?

Or tmrw?

[rich quail]

I dunno

It’s like dueling banjos

But with sword shafting

[rich quail]

Maybe after maintenance today

Which is 7 hours, and should end 2 hours after usual reset time

[naive crown]

How do you guys figure out which units to pick on attacker?
Defending I got that figured out, but attacking I'm not sure

[rich quail]

I expect one delay at least

[atomic wolf]

that's called swordfighting in the shower

[graceful grotto]

yeah this meant you're not in sadly

[graceful grotto]

seeing how they kept trying to snipe me down in my roaster, i definitely don't feel sorry for them kewk

[radiant timber]

Is anyone able to give me a good PvP team

[cedar orbit]

Are you guys winning?

[swift mango]

We are swimming.

[spiral onyx]

Was too focused on PvP cooking the last while, finally catching up on event story now while waiting for CA S2

[cedar orbit]

https://tenor.com/view/tom-and-jerry-gif-26736068

[valid fern]

how much is jackal feed per hit again? .35%? or .355%?

[primal charm]

cuz of tankier the more sync nikke get, is there a point where scarlet + trina comp without b1 atk buff cant 1shot enemy sir? im at sync300 and fond of soda comp. what ur opinion about soda trina scar-delusion comp

[raven plover]

3.55% per 10 hits

[spiral onyx]

You'd have to do the math. There's a "damage comparisons" tab in my tier list spreadsheet that you can use for that

[whole pawn]

🧱

[coarse solstice]

I'll check

@unique wagon I ran Blanc SBS w/ Rapu and it lost to this. My Scar Jack team was undefeated

[valid fern]

tf happened here?

lost to a 4RL P1 Cindy team

i shouldve recorded when i had the chance

[coarse solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/i-expected-better-from-you-i-expected-better-expectations-expected-i-expected-gif-15354412537351034327

[tropic summit]

slower indom won vs your faster indom

RRH indom lasted longer than SBS

since SBS cannot wipe instantly

plus you're ensured to hit burst faster than opponent because of cindy in p1 and you've centi getting 1.75x burst gen

it's not, that team is shiet

this is attacker mistake, defender did nothing good

still a bad idea, don't bother running 4RLs

you're relying on opponent making mistakes here

especially being 4RL you're allowed to run the easist things possible

[valid fern]

going thru my past CA matches. my scar blanc team didn't win often. but it did clutch out the match that caused me to lose the bet against myself.

my teams lost to 4RL teams twice during CA

[hollow anchor]

Whats a good PVP defence team?

[tropic summit]

aim for the 2RLs or 3RL

#pvp-arena message

[valid fern]

nobody predicted this matchup correctly

but tbf if the guy invested more into his pepper and privaty burst, I would've lost. sbs somehow tanked both of those w/o indom.

his drake was also untreasured

[unique wagon]

Hard to say cus Mana

[valid fern]

#pvp-arena message

[unique wagon]

Yeah Mana allowed u to win

[valid fern]

i wonder if I had been on defense would I have lost

yeah probably

ironically.

[loud sonnet]

Isn't that on defense since SGs hit your p5?

[valid fern]

my team is the sbs one

[loud sonnet]

Yeah i know

[valid fern]

so I'm saying if sbs team was the defending team instead, I probably wouldve lost.

[loud sonnet]

I don't understand anything here

[covert lintel]

she debuff enemies when she died

25%final atk with 20stack

[vapid lake]

p1 mihara sac strat

[covert lintel]

it can be lethal when paired with mana

[tropic summit]

true M

[vapid lake]

interesting gimmick lets see how this plays out

[covert lintel]

you can't lv1 or not build because her dmg is based on her final atk

[raven plover]

whats "specific timing" tho since thats how she cast ensharing chain

she needs that first

[covert lintel]

maybe she need to burst then died to maximizing her skill

[vapid lake]

put her pos 1 let her die then rest of the team stall

500% final atk per sec

[raven plover]

[covert lintel]

lethal for rosanna

[quick lake]

what is this

[strong hull]

[vapid lake]

she applies 20 stack of her DoT to enemies when she dies if her enemies are already under her skill 1 debuff

25% x 20

now we just need to know what "affects enemy at specific timing" means

[quick lake]

so she’s a sac?

[vapid lake]

maybe

[raven plover]

watch indom counted as incapacitated

[vapid lake]

also doesn't say how many random enemy units

[tropic summit]

if her multipliers are real, good luck surviving 10s of that

[vapid lake]

for all we know mabye its just 2

[raven plover]

if we need to sac cant mlb then

[lime bloom]

what's a good team to beat this? i don't have emilia built well enough to mirror with CP diff, and SAnis isn't working with the addition of THelm to the comp. i'll provide box SS, just gimme a sec

[lone sequoia]

every 0.5sec or when she get hit(?

[raven plover]

ok pvp unit

[lone sequoia]

these* units are fun until you have a meta, then is just full rng or the one with a better stall team win

if she work in pvp, just p1 sacc and keep your burst gen units in p2~5 or use her p5 as sub-dps

[tropic summit]

2RL emilia, countered by 3RL noah s.anis

s.anis must be lvl 9 burst minimun, ideally run resil cube

your team is on the left

you're expecting something similar to this scenario

s.anis must've no ammo OLs either

[umbral belfry]

woke up dreaming of pvp nikke has taken over my life

[tropic summit]

what you woke up from was reality, you're back in the dream now

[quick lake]

https://tenor.com/view/wolf-of-wall-street-jordan-belfort-leonardo-di-caprio-one-of-us-jonah-hill-gif-5441859

[umbral belfry]

[primal charm]

Wait can scarlet ult crit

Why i sometime delete op team sometime not

[tropic summit]

yes scarlet can crit, although if you running her right she should be lethal regardless of crit

scarlet + blanc + rh

with scarlet on 10/4/10, SR5, 20-30atk% is lethal up to 15.4% deficit, might not be afterward depending on opponent core and synch diff

Scarlet + trina + rh/liter is lethal even past deficit (i've tested up to 24% deficit so far)

as long as scarlet condition above are met + trina is 4/7/7

[cedar orbit]

Lethal Scarlet too slow, literally wheelchair

[lusty gull]

[cedar orbit]

See, bro literally lost to a meme team

[lusty gull]

i'm at top haha

[cedar orbit]

See, bro runs his meme team into it and wins

[lusty gull]

better lol

[lone sequoia]

no jackal, her S1 is the only thing you have against DR team if you don't use blanc

[rich fiber]

Would Viper/TDrake/Rosanna/Xanne/Noir be a legit Rosanna SG sac comp?

[lone sequoia]

yes

but i pref rosanna p4

remember, try to keep your chain in p2~p4 or p3~5, but now in CA you will have to keep xanne and rosanna in safe spots

[primal charm]

I dont get the idea, anyone pls explain the sacc sg comp how it run

[lone sequoia]

for atk or def battles

rosanna S2 fill burst % everytime a unit dies

if a unit in your team or enemy team die you get extra burst and allow you to start your burst chain faster

[rich fiber]

@lone sequoia ty

[lone sequoia]

you can use rosanna as a burst gen unit or as a threat to the enemy team (high damage to 2 units)

[hushed kelp]

Does sr anis dmg share work similarly to jackal’s?

[primal charm]

I aim my scar for sr15 max burst skill and trina well invested too, is she still lethal without b1 atk buff in high sync sir

[lone sequoia]

need +40~50% atk in scarlet OL

if you don't use a b1 buffer, you will have problems against cored units in p4~5 if your burst doesn't crit

[lone sequoia]

it should be the same, but it is a 30sec skill(? just use her as a burst gen unit

[onyx scaffold]

people minmaxing rookie....

[primal charm]

If i obsess with studying as 50% as with pvp teambuild gacha cardgame

I would be a successful person lol

We are cursed

[coarse solstice]

Didn't realize maintenance started already 😨🙃🙃

[hushed kelp]

Enemy units are included too? Lmao i cant believe i didnt realize this until now

[raven plover]

yes

[umbral belfry]

What did I tell you about locking in 🗣️

[hushed kelp]

Rosanna p3 or p4?

[umbral belfry]

@wet crystal @jagged mesa may your rolls be blessed with noah/scar/jackal/whoever you need today

[jagged mesa]

noah jackal rumani and a side serving of siren please

[tropic summit]

unless opponent is running 2.5RL with DR like in the video b4stial provided, yes she is, trina alone on 4/7/7 is worth blanc + RH buff

[umbral belfry]

[shell hazel]

I need Rumani and Soda

send prayers

[umbral belfry]

I'll just pull for siren bc of the rebate and pull/save my pity if needed

mlb mihara here i come

[tropic summit]

fortunately not many have that well invested DR or it would change win ratios drastically for scarlet teams

[shell hazel]

gotta be done

[jagged mesa]

actually i need gear exp fodder more

my current, limited pvp units arent even developed right now

[umbral belfry]

getting rumani just before CA teams can be finalized

[shell hazel]

I have a reasonable shot but it's far from 100%

I have 120 blue tickets, 70-80 social pulls, and I'll probably spam 100 pulls at Siren

[umbral belfry]

surely i can finish OLing helmt before CA

[jagged mesa]

i have the power of failing on the past 5 banners boosting me into siren banner

[shell hazel]

[jagged mesa]

im unbeatable

3x siren 1x noah 2x jackal 1x rumani in my first multi lets go

and then 120 blue kits for helm R0 to SR15, nothing is impossible

[umbral belfry]

the whole pizza

wait did u make it into CA

[jagged mesa]

its based on points yeah? i was experimenting a bit but i still got 3000 gems

[umbral belfry]

[jagged mesa]

and i think im 4th on my other account too

[shell hazel]

if you did then yeah CA is 100% at 3k

[jagged mesa]

what if i face myself

[umbral belfry]

we will do better this time

[umbral belfry]

the way i heard persona 4's song in my head

[shell hazel]

they still didn't give me a proper response on my getting screwed out of getting qualified 😄

[umbral belfry]

crash out this CA hippo

[wet crystal]

Maint finished alrdy?

[umbral belfry]

it started a hr ago 😭

[jagged mesa]

im gonna laugh if i actually match up against myself in CA

[umbral belfry]

it's done 3pm pst

soooo 6 hrs

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/max-fosh-uno-reverse-uno-uno-reverse-card-football-gif-15997104819716648222

[jagged mesa]

i just realized im safe from building scarlet for pvp because siren is supporter

i had a massive surplus of pilgrim supporter gear, and like nothing for attackers

yay

[umbral belfry]

I stole em my bad

and with that i go to work

[jagged mesa]

have a good day

come back to some JUICY nikke content

and may you get 7x siren in your first multi

[tropic summit]

pet all the doggies

[jagged mesa]

wait ur not allowed to go anymore

whats this about doggies

[umbral belfry]

HELP

[jagged mesa]

holup just a damn minute

[umbral belfry]

I work at a vet clinic

[jagged mesa]

wtf

pet all the doggies

[umbral belfry]

the sillies

not at the vet clinic but I basically worked with animals a lot

[jagged mesa]

omg they got the major zoomies

[umbral belfry]

okie

[jagged mesa]

you know what to do, biscuit

[tropic summit]

so excited gotta spin

[jagged mesa]

you know what

[wet crystal]

70 tickets saved, and I don't think my account would pull siren

[jagged mesa]

i hope you get EIGHT sirens in your fist multi

[jagged mesa]

i hope you also pull siren on your second daily free pull

if you let me pass you in sp arena

[tropic summit]

well during cinderella banner someone didn't get her once within 400+ pulls

[jagged mesa]

my name isnt someone
i bricked on every banner since eva to pool my luck together for 2.5 anniv

im so winning

[tropic summit]

in reverse ye

[jagged mesa]

wait nvm i got spooked by crown and redhood

nvm im cooked

what does it mean when i fail on banners but i get crown and red hood instead... am i cooked for siren banner or not

[wet crystal]

How recent were those pulls ^

Did u build up enough bad pulls for rngesus to maybe bless u

[sudden drift]

just means you won meta units and will become super poor in mats, gear, rocks before they become useful

[wet crystal]

Think bad luck with dolls can offset that?

[jagged mesa]

wait yeah let me think about this

i bricked on banners: -
i single pulled crown on a trina banner just for giggles: +
i bricked on more banners: -
i got RH 2 weeks ago on a 10x standard: +
my doll rng is still possibly worst in my bracket by far: --

[coarse solstice]

I believe in you 💪

[jagged mesa]

im so far behind in doll mats

that my helm is still R0

i think that means im pulling siren and mihara easily

because the game knows i cant gear them up for another 4 months

ok nvm im good. we good

[sudden drift]

need the number to your copium dealer

[jagged mesa]

i have it worked out because i have two accounts created within a week of each other

one has doodoo pulls (crownless), but 6 SR15 dolls and more mats saved up still
the other has good pulls (crown), but 2 SR15 dolls and no mats saved up

[wet crystal]

You've split your luck in two

[shell hazel]

why 8? what are the other 2? 😄

[jagged mesa]

belorta

[shell hazel]

damn that's cold

[jagged mesa]

gotta be reasonable. 8 is ok, 9 is pushing it

[jagged mesa]

whats funnier is one is blancless, the other is rougeless

so both are stuck for tetra tower on the same stage

both accounts are stuck at 155 for all 3 manufacturer, while pilgrim is zoomin ahead

[primal charm]

chat drake' ult is aoe nuke or single target

[shell hazel]

I had to use my ny selector to get a single blanc, meanwhile my noir is like core 2 and I didn't do anything special to get more of her

[bleak shale]

Both, in PvP iirc it's single target

But it hits w/e the small cursor is hitting in pve

[primal charm]

sound fair

[coarse solstice]

Are we sharing good boy pictures, this is Dapper ❤️

[jagged mesa]

dapper is very dapper

dap em up

[coarse solstice]

Shelter renamed him from Dabber his brother's name was Stoner (now stoney) I think it fits for sure 😊

[umbral belfry]

WHAT A CUTIE PIE

I love huskies

[coarse solstice]

He's absolutely worth the constant sweeping and vacuuming ❤️

[livid arch]

We showing pets this is (pumpkin the orange cat) (copper the Australia Shepard) and (minx hugging pumpkin)

[coarse solstice]

Awww Ausies are one my absolute favorite breeds. They're so dang smart it's unreal

We really should make it so every maintenance we share wholesome pet photos 👌

[livid arch]

Great idea

[umbral belfry]

😭 they're so cute pleaseee

[umbral belfry]

Black cats

baby Nero from when I still.worked at the animal shelter (got adopted )

[fathom rock]

this chat is 99% offtopic when i see it if no season

I mean there is maint
I do appreciate the cute creatures

[lusty gull]

[umbral belfry]

[sudden drift]

i used to want a husky

until i read chainsaw man

[coarse solstice]

[sudden drift]

this thing is tiny… like less than 3 weeks old? cute af

[swift mango]

Correct me if I'm wrong but this is useless for Arena?

[sudden drift]

no disrespect but man the moment i saw that i had

[coarse solstice]

Felt

Denji got his though

[sudden drift]

respect for the former name tho… mans best friend getting baked with owner was one of the best memories me and friends had back in the day

[grand plaza]

Its pretty old pic so I am not sure but probably

[sudden drift]

they grow up so fast

[coarse solstice]

They sure do. He's 7 now. Was 2 in the pic I posted.

Cute lil gingers

[sudden drift]

are there any good sustained dmg units in PVP? MG no less

[placid bloom]

probably just Mana but not for her sustained dmg

[swift mango]

Idk, restraint chain and such not very clear in her skit.

It's least about her dmg but more about how her skill works.

[pastel owl]

sac play candidate?

[sudden drift]

just spent the last half hour theorycrafting what teams she'd fit in PVE and still haven't come up with anything that is good synergy with Siren and other MG units.... regardless still going to get a copy and the gacha for reasons

[warm monolith]

Update after maintence ends?

[swift mango]

Why does this forward to a different comment.

[swift mango]

It's when maintenance begins.

[oblique ridge]

I think I'll throw CA season 2