pvp-arena

[swift mango]

Yeah, I did few rookie test to make sure it was 2.5rl because burst gen calculator was off quite a bit.

I didn't think team 4 would be such close win tbh, your SBS is stronk.

[glad glade]

@valid fern congrats on winning, though I should have stuck with my cheer on you. Who do you think will win between you and BRT?

[vapid hemlock]

yeah, she hits hard but most of her stuff and things have like crit rate and charge damage hahaha

sincei use her for the kraken fights

[valid fern]

I think I win but not sure. Things might get weird. I don't have much confidence after that last wrong guess.

[glad glade]

Me too. You should win Rounds 1 and 5, and he should win round 2, but rounds 3 and 4 are weird

[valid fern]

yeah it comes down to these two

[glad glade]

3RL Cindy will be screwed over by 4RL Noah

But how will Bay interact with Alice…

Same with Sanis team. Helm should theoretically hit Sanis, which is fine because she was never going to burst anyways, and biscuit will prevent life leech

These two will leave a ton of unknown variables and potential nasty surprises…

[atomic wolf]

He was the mine to your craft...?

[coarse lake]

unbuffed alice is sketch, also who's attacking

[valid fern]

bottom teams i think

[glad glade]

There’s also Noise as well, who is even tankier thanks to Bay. Anyways, defender shotguns hit p5 right? If that’s the case, phoenix is attacking

[valid fern]

if on top in the bracket it means attack right

[coarse lake]

the rapu could die before burst

noir might be able to kill sanis as well

[grand plaza]

Do you think first match bottom can stay alive against cind burst?

[coarse lake]

depends on nero moran invest

I've seen an exact same team like that nero moran mana lose to unbuffed cindy

unless that's a max doll nero and both are high cp, cindy is winning esp with blanc buff and indom moran stall

[grand plaza]

Invested enough to take this match easily

I think bottom would win if they can stay alive Cind burst, but thats a big if

[coarse lake]

helmt will die to nuke unless that cind is a fraud

well it is same speed, so with moran dr maybe it has chance

[grand plaza]

Not that invested, same CP as blanc and SR5 (or 10) doll

[coarse lake]

what doll is the nero and moran

[coarse lake]

cindy wins

[grand plaza]

There is no way to tell whether its SR5 or 10 right?

[coarse lake]

sr15 nero is what matters, and it's not, that moran isn't even sr

cp on both are extremely low

0 chance cindy loses imo

they're not outstalling indom moran

[grand plaza]

Actually past 2 match they always went 2 burst cycles

[coarse lake]

against what dps though, that helmt-buffed sbs isn't impressive

[vapid hemlock]

yeah basically he was the brains and im pinky HAHAHA

[grand plaza]

Very good synergy imo, nero dies, mana respawns and then HelmT dies, they went back to nero again and this time rapunzel respawns HelmT

[coarse lake]

blanc direct counters any invest they got into moran burst, which should be like none

[grand plaza]

Hmmm also fair.

[coarse lake]

they're not living to second burst

[grand plaza]

Yeah big question for me was whether they can survive or not that first burst, and with Blanc itt doesn't look like they can

[coarse lake]

blanc, and both nero moran at basically no invest

[atomic wolf]

He was the chicken to your jockey...?

[coarse lake]

they rely on dr stacking to win, the team's dr is probably in negatives

[grand plaza]

Dr?

[coarse lake]

dmg reduction

[grand plaza]

What do you think about other matches btw? I think its clear win for bottom

[coarse lake]

p3 has a chance if that scar can't nuke hard enough

yeah bottom wins, 3-2 or 4-1 imo

well..

[grand plaza]

Both SBS and Scarlet has 120k cp, I don't think SBS could survive buffed Scarler burst tbh

[coarse lake]

top
bottom
probably bottom if invested scar
top
bottom

what cp is that scar

[coarse lake]

that's a low invest trina

what's their past matchup vid for the scar

although the rumani prob gets chipped and dies anyway, losing b1

low invest tho, so might hit invuln before nuke

[shell hazel]

oh we're looking at the same finale then

#pvp-arena message

feel free to add your vote to my list I'm interested in what people think of the teams

[coarse lake]

comes down to r3 scarlet nuke

[shell hazel]

I'm thinking right scarlet wanders into noah catch nuke though

depends if feed can speed them up enough

[solemn matrix]

Helm Burst3 on Emilia

[coarse lake]

scar needs to kill rumani and bscar with nuke

or else scar loses, problem is, rumani is min invest, prob reaches invuln with splash, and bscar is very tanky, while that trina is low invest

[shell hazel]

yeah both team 3's look quite low invest to me

[grand plaza]

Nah I don't think so, 2RL vs 3RL

[grand plaza]

Noice, I think its clear bottom win

[grand plaza]

Whats that?

[shell hazel]

just seeing what matches people think each side will win

using my left / right as opposed to your top / bottom but having fun mini side game to see who guesses the matches the most right 🙂

you top one is my left one, and your bottom one is my right one above

throw your name / predictions into the sorting hat and I'll add you if you want

[grand plaza]

Could I be more wrong

[atomic wolf]

Trust me I am always wrong

If you want to know more google nikke inflation

[shell hazel]

you need 4th vote I can't really accept a ? 😄

[grand plaza]

Just letting you know incase you don't know that, the site has an option to versus decks, makes it easier to compare

[shell hazel]

it's why your name is below the ---- line

[shell hazel]

ah I didn't see that, handy! 🙂

[grand plaza]

I guess I am going L R R L R then, but I wouldn't be surprised that much if first match become R as well

[coarse lake]

not noah invuln, biscuit invuln

there's a world where noah and rumani both get invuln before nuke, nuke happens, wipes p4 p5, noah rumani live due to invuln, bscar live, rumani noah bscar burst, kills scar team

[shell hazel]

i'll add it 🙂

[grand plaza]

I mean I think its as simple as whether Scarlet burst can kill Rumani/Biscuit or not

They won't be invuln, thats for sure tho

[pallid edge]

Anyone got an idea on who will win between these two?

[coarse lake]

3 rls splashing into low invest rumani

and rls will be hitting her 3 times before nuke happens

[grand plaza]

Hmmmmmmm yeah fair. Didn't think that

[coarse lake]

got vid of that noah rumani team vs another team with 3 or close to it rls?

[vapid lake]

this channel has ppl asking for cheering analysis 24/7 now

[coarse lake]

sp and rookie got boring atk too ez

[shell hazel]

i'm not really asking for analysis just seeing what people think will win for fun 🙂

[grand plaza]

I like it tho

[shell hazel]

feel free to throw your vote in as well!

[atomic wolf]

"Being tied up with ropes and whipped wasn't good enough for me, I want cbt"

[shell hazel]

I'd like to see a wider variety of usable pvp units in the future, for more interesting comps

[atomic wolf]

Yeah right...

[grand plaza]

Previous match is very close actually team wise, and she is pretty healthy by the time Noah bursts

[upper grove]

my opponent who against me in my bracket made it to the finals, I lost to the finalist

[grand plaza]

Hopefully with more materials to actually be able to use them

[sleek imp]

Anyone NA? anyone voted yet?

[shell hazel]

i'm almost done with my core units for basic stuff but still got some pvp stuff to build out

[grand plaza]

I couldn't even finish my main campaign team for good.

Need a lucky drop for it as well tho

[swift mango]

Comedy

[shell hazel]

mostly there on skills etc

but some missing OL and most OL is just +0

[sleek imp]

okay bet l'll do that

[unique mountain]

OL everything

[shell hazel]

will do by the end 😛

[unique mountain]

10 all scarlet
Sr0 minimum on everything

[grand plaza]

What was your level? I am 223 so kinda normal for where I am I guess

[shell hazel]

dolls had to wait a bit, was doing main team

[unique mountain]

You WILL Fight and you WILL win!

[swift mango]

I only vaguely remember the match up discussion so try to ask again here to be sure.

[shell hazel]

275 basically

[unique mountain]

Gn

[sleek imp]

Night

[grand plaza]

Oh yeah, makes sense

Btw I am curious, how fast you are levelling up? Lets say how many levels per month?

[shell hazel]

I can probably work it out from various images through time

I started in November last year (start of) so it's a bit under 6 months to 275

[grand plaza]

I think I started right after Winter event. Around 3.5 months for 223 lvl then

[shell hazel]

264 30/03

[grand plaza]

Which leaves about 20 lvls per month to catch you? Doesn't sound possible

[grand plaza]

10 lvl per 2 weeks? Damn you are fast

[sleek imp]

Damn... this is- this is pure math

[shell hazel]

245 28/02

[grand plaza]

Yeah consistently 20 per month

Are you f2p?

[shell hazel]

228 29/01

208 30/12

i'm curious where the other month is at hold on

[deft pelican]

can someone make me sp arena def teams

[shell hazel]

167 01/12

02/11 begin more or less

[oblique ridge]

This was accurate, nice. RIP

[grand plaza]

Thats a nice beginning tbh 👌

[shell hazel]

yeah cindy banner 🙂

[grand plaza]

Reroll?

[shell hazel]

yeah, did a few not many

lots of tickets in anni, but also I was brand new to the game still

as of yet I have not seen RH again since then btw lol

[grand plaza]

I am curious tho, how do you lvl up 20 per month? Its definitely not that fast for me

Hell its closer to 10 at best

[shell hazel]

the levels after 200 moderately sped up due to similar core dust + faster core dust from higher outpost

I spend but not on levels really

I have purchased the core dust pack once, and some of the random packs contain core dust sometimes but it's not really a thing I buy lots of

[shell hazel]

wipe out twice per day, push campaign a lot, swap battle data to core dust when I have excess

buy all event hard mode tries for core dust farm

[grand plaza]

That I do

[shell hazel]

I don't stockpile crates

[grand plaza]

But those I don't. Wiping out twice is worth it?

Also I was planning to swap battle data but then heard ppl saying battle data matters later on

[shell hazel]

not necessarily but I put my gems to work on wipe outs

I re-roll bad ones of these and sometimes get extra cd that way also

[grand plaza]

Yeah I also do that, once definitely, twice if its too bad

[shell hazel]

I'll re-roll if I have 6 or more bad ones

today it failed 😄

but I got 50 gems back so it was free, I'll not try too hard

[coarse solstice]

I reroll those pretty aggressively when I'm pushing favorite item characters

[shell hazel]

co-op shop I buy all the core dust and battle data on resets if I can

[shell hazel]

yeah you def can, I just try and take a steady approach

[shell hazel]

I think core dust and credits still gate you more than battle data, so I just keep enough battle data for the next level and swap excess to core dust for now

[grand plaza]

I am gonna follow my levels closely from now on. I am really curious about my growth speed

[shell hazel]

these feel like traps but sometimes I just need core dust

not sure on last credit one doesn't feel worth

[coarse solstice]

I heard once you get to a certain point battle data can be just as rough as core dust

[grand plaza]

I always buy those trap or not lol

[grand plaza]

I heard its 400+ or 500+ can't remember now

It may worth it to convert now tho, lvl up faster, higher passive gain etc.

[summer copper]

is that certain point when one accidently trades all their battle data for dust?

[shell hazel]

that was my logic

if I need it more later then so be it, but for now I want more levels and more progress / better secure sp arena position etc

[grand plaza]

Fair. Make sense imo

[shell hazel]

I think it's after 400 ish anyway, so maybe by then I could slow down and save it up instead of converting

still feels quite far away

[grand plaza]

I will start logging my lvl and go a bit more aggresive after this event ends

[shell hazel]

I get 74 cd/hour and it's the main blocker atm

53280 cd in 30 days

[grand plaza]

I get 62

Its pretty sad how little difference there is tbh

[shell hazel]

events etc add up but yeah not sure how it's 20 levels either 😄

even my daily resource pack I buy goes to skill books not core dust

[grand plaza]

Just checked and I can only gain 5000 dust if I gave all my battle data

[grand plaza]

Somehow it doesn't add up tbh, but someone else was saying 20 per month was normal so I guess it is

Its just that my math fails there

[shell hazel]

I basically always get skill manuals with this

so that doesn't explain it either lol

I don't stockpile anything except credits though

[grand plaza]

I guess its fair. You could maybe start saving BD near 360 etc again

[shell hazel]

yes that is what I will look at doing for sure, just in case

[valid fern]

This is the first time Ive seen the crowd majority not cheer for the higher commander level.

[shell hazel]

but currently BD has no use beyond the very next level

[shell hazel]

that's because they're cheering for the winner

[grand plaza]

I was hoarding BD pretty much since the start and I regret a lot once I hit lvl 200

Time to spend I guess

[valid fern]

I sure hope so.

[shell hazel]

there is a jump at 250 that wants more BD per level

but I still get it faster than I can use it, it's about 40kk instead of 22 or w/e it is from 200 - 250

so bear in mind 250 for when you want to keep back a bit more

I'm not sure where to put my skills next

got some burst levels to do but skill 1 / skill 2 is basically where I want it atm

[grand plaza]

If you are doing good at PVP as well, I guess SR is next

[shell hazel]

I still want to build more pvp for now

SR can wait some

I need to build Siren next I think, could save for that a bit

[grand plaza]

Yeah makes sense

Also who knows if there would be a surprise overspec Mihara

[sleek imp]

This comp is good?

[shell hazel]

wouldn't shock me but some people won't be ready with mileage

I've got 150 pulls + 700 mileage saved for anni so far, with free pulls and stuff and a copy of Siren I'm good to MLB her at least

[cunning steppe]

Anyone know who wins between these 2? This the final success I need for the frame.

[grand plaza]

Some more burst speed wouldn't hurt tbh

[sleek imp]

Liter?

[grand plaza]

Nvm just saw your lvl lol, wait a sec

[shell hazel]

there is an option for show more info I think?

shows the RL speeds of each team then as well is handy

[grand plaza]

I have 80k gems, 30 pull and 220 gold tickes I believe. I won't MLB anyone but should be enough to get one copy both if happens

[shell hazel]

that's good, you got more pulls than me, you could get lucky there for sure

[cunning steppe]

I think I know what you mean but I don’t know how to fit that version in 1 screenshot.

[grand plaza]

Scarlet - Trina - Blanc - Jackal - Alice

[cunning steppe]

Seen others being able to post it all in one but I think they’re on PC.

[sleek imp]

Bet bet

[shell hazel]

yeah but also save / share deck can allow save as image

[grand plaza]

Honestly since I get 0 SSR with 30k gems on RRH banner I trust nothing

[deft pelican]

can someone make me 3 def teams for SP arena ?

[sleek imp]

tysm

[shell hazel]

what are you currently running?

[sleek imp]

Wait who wins?

This guy have been bullying me for ages in my bracket

[grand plaza]

Actually mb, replace Blanc with Anis

[tropic summit]

you're on 20% deficit here

[sleek imp]

Roger

[sleek imp]

Theres defict in Rookie ARENA??

[tropic summit]

multiply enemy CP for 0.846 to understand what's the minimun CP requirement to not tank your stats

[tropic summit]

yes for rookie and sp arena

[grand plaza]

Can you show your nikkes sorted by power? Without selecting anyone

[shell hazel]

Jin - when you trade too much battle data 😄

[sleek imp]

Yes Sir

[grand plaza]

Suffering from success lol

[shell hazel]

I should have saved a bit more before hard mode

[sleek imp]

HOLY 50000K

[shell hazel]

I'll have enough cd tomorrow to 276 but probably lack some bd

[grand plaza]

I guess it would be safe to level up - turn remaining bd

[shell hazel]

it will catch up eventually

what I haven't worked out is the rate I get bd at vs cd for levels without external factors

[quick pivot]

Edited to put both teams on same image because flipping back and forth is annoying

[shell hazel]

462K bd/hour vs 72 cd/hour

so 39883K bd / 462k bd = 86.32 hours to get enough bd for level up

[deft pelican]

Someone else told me to try these teams a few weeks ago and hasnt been working wanted to ask for new team to see if something else would work

[shell hazel]

10000 cd / 74 cd = 131.57 hours to get enough cd to level up

[tropic summit]

use either of the 2 attached via SS (try the other if one is defeated)

tables to the left are CP oriented teams
tables to the right are speed oriented teams

cubes

quantum as for SS provided
vigor on noise, blanc, biscuit
resil on s.anis
temperance on noah
s.anis must be lvl9 burst minimun, no ammo OL
run any highest lvl cube on remaining nikke

[cunning steppe]

Still not one Image but best I was able to do.

[deft pelican]

Okay will try thank you 🥲

[shell hazel]

man right side teams loves their 3RL 😄

[grand plaza]

I guess you can replace Anis with Maid Anchor for higher CP, I think its the best way to go right now

[tropic summit]

left is attack, right is defense?

[sleek imp]

Okay

[grand plaza]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-balanced-gif-3226445978144001245

[shell hazel]

think I prefer right side on a quick glance

[grand plaza]

Wdym?

[cunning steppe]

I’m confused on who wins their T4

[shell hazel]

how much time it takes for my passive income of BD/CD to give me enough for a level, if BD pace is quicker than CD I can swap more

[quick pivot]

I think? (Assuming the Reddish orange color is attacker and the blue color is defender)

[grand plaza]

They are making this mod for months and managed to make it worse then SPA -_-

[quick pivot]

Screenshotting 10 different teams was pain, fr fr

[grand plaza]

Should help 👍

https://nikke-db.pages.dev/tools

[grand plaza]

Honestly it is amazing that it isn't VS by default like SPA

[shell hazel]

doesn't help me here, I worked it out above anyway I think
for me 86 hours for bd to get enough for a level and 131 hours for cd

[lunar pawn]

thoughts?

[tropic summit]

wow... the SG team denied badly in this one

[grand plaza]

Without going into any calculations you can just level up - convert any remaining BD and repeat this I guess

[shell hazel]

yeah I just wanted the time slippage basically

[quick pivot]

Do you think the Helm on right side in team 4 isn't enough to overcome the opposition? Just curious cuz she looks pretty cracked

[shell hazel]

every level of passive cd income I get, I have 20000K of spare bd to trade away atm

[lunar pawn]

shouldn't t4 be a left side win?

[tropic summit]

they'll dig through biscuit from defense side

kicks enemy team to 3.5RL instead of 3RL

[lunar pawn]

isn't that a bit irrelevant? they'll get taunted by noise/noah

[blissful willow]

So u think Zeus wins?

[tropic summit]

sure helmt can snipe s.anis... then they gotta deal with xmaiden on 2 stacks of biscuit

[tropic summit]

they'll lose both biscuit and s.anis, there's drake bursting

noise and noah alone can't outdps anymore

[coarse lake]

you sure sanis loses?

[tropic summit]

right side has better odds of winning

[lunar pawn]

personally, I think left side:
t1 win
t2 win
t3 coin toss, but probably loss
t4 win
t5 loss

[tropic summit]

i had similar bet when i thought s.anis would win only to lose it

[blissful willow]

Wait no way you think T4 is right side

It's surely left

Is it not?

[tropic summit]

play that match slowly over your head and keep in mind left team is on 100% exact burst gen for 3RL

[lunar pawn]

you think they'll eat through biscuit+sanis before noise/noah taunts them? also, drake isn't p3, and noah will probably go up first

[coarse lake]

blocking sg both sides, mpriv nuke trash, pepper snipe trash

[blissful willow]

Noise/noah taunt drake after 2 shots, so it leaves noir and Bsoda aiming at s.anis at best

This is enough time bought for noise and noah to get to burst and then anis just wins

[coarse lake]

although.. team is 4rl

but then again it's double invuln whichever side

is zeus defending

[tropic summit]

not 100% clear but if i had to pick a side

[lunar pawn]

yea

[coarse lake]

then zeus should win, double moran invuln, pepper and drake also hit moran

[tropic summit]

hold on if eon says zeus should win then it's the opposite

[coarse lake]

zeus scar team might be 2.5rl with feed, but that rosa looks a bit sus, but might still kill

I'm not cheering on it though

I thought keripo would lose, and he did

[tropic summit]

right so maybe the curse doesn't apply

[coarse lake]

it's only cursed if I cheer on it myself

[tropic summit]

did he post his match vids btw?

was curious on privaty stunning timing

[raven sparrow]

oof i should have went with my gut feeling instead of asking here lol, lost my bet, there goes my chance at frame T_T

[coarse lake]

t3 if blanc bursts left wins, otherwise right wins, fairly rng I think

considering t4 t5 are both right wins, even if the first 3 are a bit rng, I still think zeus winning is more likely

[lunar pawn]

wait, yea, shouldn't t1 be a right side win?

[coarse lake]

imo it will be

[lunar pawn]

moran+biscuit will nope attacking sg

[coarse lake]

biscuit taking 0 splash, only dmg is maybe drake s2 lowest hp, but that prob hits moran anyway

double invuln moran gives sanis plenty of time to kill

mpriv nuke does nothing

that's also xmaiden boosted sanis

double sg on sanis team as well

both ele adv on p5 poli, left might never reach b3

[tropic summit]

so this?

[coarse lake]

t2 t3 I'm not very certain on, but the other 3 all seem to be right wins

[tropic summit]

hmm fair enough

[frosty fossil]

Im in the same group, t5 left is strong survived scarlet/blanc

[coarse lake]

although with that moran, it's possible t5 could be a left win

[tropic summit]

[coarse lake]

yeah that t5 could be left win

[umbral belfry]

@coarse solstice my credits lies in your hands

[tropic summit]

@lunar pawn good luck

[umbral belfry]

surely I don't go broke

[lunar pawn]

think t3 is left side win

[warm monolith]

Hello

[coarse lake]

I still think it's possible right wins t2

[tropic summit]

rosanna killing scarlet on 2RL?

[coarse lake]

with some quantums it should be enough feed to reach 2.5rl, then it's just snipe, unless scar rosa dying to counters

[tropic summit]

"would you like some RNG with your RNG sir"

[coarse lake]

that rosa invest might not be very high to kill rh is the main issue

[lunar pawn]

t2 is left side win, no way

RH with trina is overkill, trina alone would be enough to wipe that team

[coarse lake]

rosa will snipe before the nuke if the team reaches 2.5

[tropic summit]

legit assumption ros can get to B1

[coarse lake]

honestly left side scar prob dies before snipe from counters + lap + unlink

rh b3 can still cleanup

[lunar pawn]

is trina invul on scar gone at 2RL?

[coarse lake]

it'll block 1 laplace hit

still needs to take 2 more before burst

both of which will also be unlinked

unless the rosa s1 is low enough lvl to not unlink I suppose

[lunar pawn]

let me check previous replay to see who's linked

[coarse lake]

oh yeah right rosa prob isn't even linked

then odds of a snipe happening are lower

[lunar pawn]

rosanna isn't linked

[coarse lake]

then I'd say higher odds that left wins, odds of snipe are lower, left scar prob dies before nuke if lapt is high ele, but rh b1 b3 still nukes scar chain

idk how long an unlinked rosa lives vs scar

[tropic summit]

to 2RL? probably alive

[coarse lake]

rosa needs to live to 2.5rl

[tropic summit]

hmmmmmmmmm

[frosty fossil]

T4 against 2 sg survive, I think against 3 sg it could still win, only noise die and rapu revive her.

[tropic summit]

RNG

[coarse lake]

that's 3 high invest sg with noir boost hitting p5 biscuit

no way sanis comp says intact, esp since that team is literally barely 3rl

[lunar pawn]

how much did we need to multiply burst gen with cindy in p2? 1.25?

[tropic summit]

ye

1.75x on p1, 1.25x on p2 (RL only)

[lunar pawn]

yea, t3 left side is stuck on 3RL, but right side will jump to 2RL due to cindy pos

kinda weird that right side switched anis and centi positions, but noise + cindy should nuke them easily before blanc bursts

[coarse lake]

that's still rng, although with blanc chip and taking 1 hit, blanc could die before b2

that's a giga blanc tho

[lunar pawn]

extra burst gen on cindy p2 is rng?

[frosty fossil]

you sure they will shoot biscuit? In the previous one from the beginning they only track noise, but yes, 3 sg does more damage...

[coarse lake]

1 rl faster cindy vs blanc is rng

well mostly in the sense that cindy's first hit on blanc needs to kill blanc

[tropic summit]

giga blanc

[lunar pawn]

0.5RL is more or less the same as 2 burst sequences

so 1RL should be enough to full burst before the enemy can even b1

[coarse lake]

1rl speed diff is enemy b2 around the middle of cindy sequence

which is approx 1 hit on each, although it's possible 1 nikke isn't hit

[lunar pawn]

what am I looking at

[tropic summit]

the timing of each burst phase

[lunar pawn]

3.74RL for blanc to kick in

3.16RL for cindy to burst

[coarse lake]

cindy full sequence takes forever

why do you think 1rl slower noah blocks on avg half of cindy's shots

[lunar pawn]

how much can fit in 0.58RL though, with a blanc that's been focused on during the entire fight so far

granted, left side doesn't have much in the way of damage besides cindy, but I'm curious

[coarse lake]

blanc needs to live a single cindy hit with all the chip she's taking before then

if blanc can burst on someone, left most likely wins, full decoy cindy matchup with some random indom unit to help

[frosty fossil]

So it's a 50/50 split for both players to win CA?

[unique wagon]

Its all invest dependent

[lunar pawn]

mm going all in on left side

[frosty fossil]

Hmm

[calm gull]

oh wow keripo defeated

[limber silo]

Chat why do I see these whales running Tia and Naga in PVP when they're both C tier and even then I see them running them seperate. Is it just for CP?

[lunar pawn]

cp or clueless

[limber silo]

lord then because both people in /finals/ are running them and seperate at that

[lunar pawn]

cp padding / their built units

naga shouldn't be so common, but tia is more or less frequent for CA

and tbf most people were convinced you'd be able to cp gap people in CA, so a lot used pve units

we'll see better teams in s2

[limber silo]

True, I think that's a good theory

[oblique ridge]

wdym 50/50? Keripo already lost. Or am I missing the context?

[covert lintel]

why t3 rng?
isn't it obvious the right one will win because he place cindy p2 and noise feed?

[oblique ridge]

I'd need to see the RL calculcations. Might be that it won't be enough feed. And, Blanc indom can save Cindy. If so, then, Cindy with Indom kills enemy team and walks away beautiful

I think the RNG part might be the fact Rumani & Tia are taunting away enemy team's damage dealers

[frosty fossil]

I was talking about the finals, I only sent zeus previous fight

[oblique ridge]

Which means, someone other than Cindy would receive Indom

So possibly RIP there

Nevermind

[covert lintel]

i'm betting zeus for 4win or full win

[oblique ridge]

I looked up Rumani and Tia taunt details

Their taunts don't work until already in Full Burst and fired fully charged shot during it(Rumani) or after 5 normal attacks (Tia)

[lunar pawn]

blanc team is 3RL no matter what, other team is 2RL due to cindy pos

3.74RL for blanc to kick in

3.16RL for cindy to burst

[oblique ridge]

So pretty sure it'll be t3 goes to Realsav unless RL speed was too slow

[oblique ridge]

I see, then t3 goes to Zeus if this is accurate XRLs and if Zeus's Cindy doesn't fall short in AoE burst damage

[lunar pawn]

depends how much blanc can tank until her burst

regardless, I think it's realsav's overall win

t1 loss
t2 win
t3 ?
t4 win
t5 win

ain't no way he's losing sanis+biscuit before the 2nd rockets of noise/noah, they're both well built and with maxed dolls

[hushed kelp]

I’ve managed to get emilia 4 blue OL line cs for a total of 22.33%, with lvl 7 adjutant i think im still short 0.25%? Can anybody confirm this?

[oblique ridge]

Why does Rosanna not help Zeus kill enemy Scarlet before Full Burst?

[covert lintel]

the problem is zeus team sg, so it will start killing from p5

[coarse solstice]

Nah you'll be Oprah rich 😎

[lunar pawn]

rosanna isn't linked, she'll get bullied, + even if scarlet dies, RH should be enough to destroy enemy scar before their nuke

[oblique ridge]

That's not it. Rosanna dispels links from Scarlet

So I'm wondering why would they be unable to kill the unlinked Scarlet

Or would the dispel fail?

[lunar pawn]

no, what I mean is, the rosanna doesn't seem built enough if she isn't even linked

so by the time rosanna bursts, scarlet will have to tank her burst + a laplace beam

[covert lintel]

what he mean, realsav's scar will be unlinked from the start while zeus's scar linked

[oblique ridge]

My thought is once enemy Scarlet is killed, then as long as both teams burst simultaneously, Scarlet would win by AoE wipe - even if enemy Red Hood would otherwise kill everybody with burst

So if the dispel and enemy Scarlet's death happens quickly enough, it should be Zeus's win

[lunar pawn]

it isn't a simultaneous burst, realsav is 2RL

[oblique ridge]

The dispel lands on two enemies... Scarlet and Red Hood becomes unlinked

Oh, 3RL, hrm

[covert lintel]

and even more zeus's lap+ is core 6
i doubt trina will withstand it

[oblique ridge]

At least that fight will let us know if Rosanna is worth it

[lunar pawn]

don't think rosanna will live to burst, but it's pretty rng, and even if she did burst, and even if somehow scar dies to it, good chance RH just eats scar and laplace next

[oblique ridge]

Oh you mean even if Rosanna dispels the links, she'll still die to Scarlet counter passive?

[lunar pawn]

there's also a good chance rosanna targets RH instead

[lunar pawn]

yea, and rosanna isn't linked there, I checked

[oblique ridge]

It's two targets dispelled - lvl10 s1 gives this description
■ Activates after landing 10 normal attack(s). Affects 2 enemy units with the highest ATK.
Dispels 5 buffs. Activates 1 time per battle.

If you meant she'd dispel Red Hood only.

[covert lintel]

rosanna doesn't need to be linked

[pastel owl]

rosanna get rh low then slash slash

if both can get to 2RL

[lunar pawn]

oh nvm, Idk why I thought rosanna burst only affected 1 unit, it's 2 attacker units

[covert lintel]

she just need to see nikke dying and she will burst out

[oblique ridge]

Yeah, dispel isn't burst needed (just 10 normal shots - and she's MG), and her burst nuke at B1 targets two highest ATK

[lunar pawn]

don't think zeus has enough feed to reach 2.5RL, but if he did, that's as far as he could reach

[pastel owl]

feed and counter rng

[lunar pawn]

why do you keep mentioning dispel when I never talked about her dispel

[umbral belfry]

[oblique ridge]

Because, it dispels link and possibly resets Scarlet ATK stacks?

[lunar pawn]

but yea, that rosanna doesn't seem particularly strong

[oblique ridge]

But it depends on how high he took S1 on how many various buffs Scarlet loses

[lunar pawn]

rosanna will dispel before scarlet builds her first attack stack

[oblique ridge]

👀

[lunar pawn]

that rosanna is comparable to my anis, more or less

I don't have high hopes for her killing anyone lol

and at best only scar

[solid flare]

in champion arena how does SG and SR targeting work?

[lunar pawn]

same as SPA, just remember player on left side is the attacker

[covert lintel]

SG defending will focus on p5 while SR defending will focus on p1
SG atking p5 first shot second shot onward p1 and SR atking will focus on p5 until died then go to p1

[solid flare]

left..... on the cheer screen?

[lunar pawn]

yea

[solid flare]

so "bottom" in the replay

so should put your 3 core teams slot 234, sg team slot 1 or 5
and your weird stall/sac team the other slot 1 or 5

and of the 3 core teams gota prevent p5 being vuln.

[umbral belfry]

do we know when the next CA is?

[lunar pawn]

probably after this SPA season ends

[keen vapor]

It won't be immediately?

[umbral belfry]

[lunar pawn]

but seeing how crappy it is, it doesn't matter when the next is

[umbral belfry]

I'm not sure, I'm assuming though? Who knows

[covert lintel]

no
team order is the real rng because u can't make your opponent do what u want to in placing his team

[sage burrow]

Ive never seen anyone so salty to gem me consistently

[sudden drift]

hopefully they take at least a week's break to fix all the issues brought up during beta.

[keen vapor]

You're winning

[swift mango]

Left probably win, Blanc is often the deciding factor here unless she can't burst.

[keen vapor]

What if Blanc vs Blanc

[swift mango]

Slower Blanc win

[keen vapor]

Is literally the same team

[swift mango]

Charge speed matters. A detriment in this case. Unless too much CS it's practically 1 RL faster.

Left probably win so long as Blanc can burst.

But right is 2rl with p2 Cindy of left. So yeah RNG.

[lofty moss]

Help

[coarse solstice]

That makes the most sense. They were already planning on updating cheering so I'm sure at least a few days between minimum

[lunar pawn]

wdym help, post the matchups

you can go the extra mile and post the RL speed too

[swift mango]

T2: Rossanna could nuke down Scarlet though. I would bet on right winning.

T3: RNG like you said, whether Blanc could burst or not.

T4: There is a good chance left ASS could kill Noah before she burst at 3rl and make left win.

I think only first match is a clean fight here.

T5: Right can still indom SBS because HelmT normal attack dmg before burst is minimal and SBS stray hit all could be healed back by Rapu burst. Only SBS of the far left probably get indom. Indom SBS may of may not win against Moran but they cancel each other out.

[lunar pawn]

doesn't matter if rosanna can kill scarlet, however unlikely it is

t4 half the dmg goes to sanis/biscuit, the other half to noise/noah before noah invul

should be enough time to clean up without losing anyone

[calm gull]

@swift mango
surely you'll win right?

[swift mango]

Some guy thing left could win if their Scarlet can't burst. Alright bro.

[calm gull]

[lunar pawn]

RH bursts and kills enemy scarlet, that's gg lol

[swift mango]

Not 100% sure. It's not a clean win but I have better chance than when fighting the 2 whale before this.

[calm gull]

I like how the titles connect,
laplace's birdie vs drake's moron

[lunar pawn]

and none of them using either laplace or drake avatars

[swift mango]

RH burst isn't instantly like Scarlet. So she will be slower and die.

[swift mango]

Nice finding

[lunar pawn]

it's still betting that a 3RL team can go down to 2.5RL with enough feed, and that its b1 will connect before enemy can b3, and even then RH probably only needs 1-2 shots to kill scar

• unbuilt and unlinked rosanna

[covert lintel]

let me know if realsav win miraculously against zeus
i'm curious

[swift mango]

That's a 2rl with feed.

[lunar pawn]

how much burst gen are you expecting from that feed in 2RL time

[pale knoll]

[lunar pawn]

with feed it'd be down to 2.5RL at best

unlinked and poorly built rosanna vs built scarlet s2 is something I wanna see too

rng fiesta

[swift mango]

Here is a little feed lesson.

Scarlet 30% RNG meaning she does counter 3 times in 10 bullet on average. 0.4*3=1.2% Burst gen.

Jackal give 3.55 burst gen on average.

If Lap+Scarlet linked, then it's 2 bullet every RL fire. If not then it's one.

Scarlet fire 21 shots in 2rl. Plus other thing we could count it as 30 bullet more or less.

10 bullets give 1.2+3.55= 4.75 on average.

30 bullets are around 14.25%. with 10% error margin to RNG, I would say 13% is good

Now add it to the 2rl value of this pic, we have a perfectly 2rl team.

Edit: Also, jackal s1 trigger with quantum is 1.04 of 3.55 so around 3.71.

Scarlet is 0.45% per hit now as of Feb 2026

[pale knoll]

[swift mango]

People who know and people who don't.

[calm gull]

[lunar pawn]

Does he speak truthfully or gaslighting again? @tropic summit

[raven plover]

@grok is this true?

[keen vapor]

[covert lintel]

it's tru sir

[raven plover]

man my next match Im not sure if I can win

[swift mango]

Wow Hobo gonna be champ.

I thought you were level bricked.

[raven plover]

I am bricked

[sterile sapphire]

[swift mango]

[rich quail]

[valid fern]

All bricked up

[unique mountain]

You will put blood above rail in terms of pvp knowledge, he's why i have a 100% success in cheer this ca , rail works wholesale , blood is retail

[keen vapor]

[pale knoll]

Should have asked me and you'd have got same result smh

[unique mountain]

Who?

[pale knoll]

[covert lintel]

your nikke will carry my last cheer

[raven plover]

I can only pray

[calm gull]

24.99%, you can do this hoboman

[swift mango]

Finally spot your account. You are not only not bricked but a bit on the whale side.

Time to stalk Hobo

[lunar pawn]

Nah, I had to correct him before, and he gaslit and ragebaited me here without knowing me, I need a 2nd opinion since I don't have a high opinion of him

[swift mango]

[raven plover]

Im f2p

[unique mountain]

As you fall for my ragebait rn

[swift mango]

[raven plover]

rill

[unique mountain]

Let me enter your spa , i wanna play ca too

[lunar pawn]

https://tenor.com/view/ok-okay-jackie-chan-good-gif-16948871

[raven plover]

we can be mafia if you enter my spa... this one tho not the hardcore one which I will get next shuffle

I wont join CA after shuffle

[unique mountain]

Wait....i forgor , i can join next shuffle!

[calm gull]

there's reshuffle again?

[lunar pawn]

When's the next reshuffle anyway, I only had 1 real reshuffle during my 2.5 years playing this game

[raven plover]

shuffle on may I think, mid may

[calm gull]

I thought this CA is "Beta" and wont coming the next one until further information.

[unique mountain]

Reshuffle is the wrong name for what happens anyway , consolidation is the correct one , during "reshuffle" they just kick inactives and increase number of total servers taken into one spa shard

[covert lintel]

they should increase it to 10ch

[swift mango]

Oh s*** Hobo is Amba2kam Lincoln, no YAWN?

[coarse lake]

beta is just what they call it so that they can just wave away any issues it has

[calm gull]

gotcha

[unique mountain]

Oh yea , i remember, sim room beta , they gave us mats and then just took it out 😭

[coarse lake]

other than maybe reduced or no cheer loss penalty, they're not changing anything

[lunar pawn]

They can switch out active people too so Idk if it's wrong to call it reshuffle

Just keep CA going, it's nice staying 5th and seeing 3rd and 4th gem all day

[calm gull]

I think last reshuffle brings more whale to my bracket, rather than kicks some out

[unique mountain]

A guy i kicked went to mffi guild , i would ask him for cs info on yawn but he blocked me

[covert lintel]

rip, cheer loss penalty is what make interesting

[lunar pawn]

I have the same 2 leviathans in my top 2 since time immemorial

[unique mountain]

You must be of prime shard , shard around which spa revolves

[calm gull]

meanwhile I had 2 leviathans on my CA bracket

[swift mango]

How about adding Rehabilitation units spare body into arena shop???

[calm gull]

this is BS
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1177116972593463316/1360832513827803259/image.png?ex=68027c4a&is=68012aca&hm=39cbcaef45199ee5314bd893c0ee8ba7673ef541152e6b7d28301c1edce77b24&

[lunar pawn]

CA is kind of a relief, no need to keep building pvp chars anymore

[coarse lake]

they forgot about those already

[unique mountain]

But.. they're shit

[swift mango]

And one guy in our union is commiting to core +7 Nihister.

[calm gull]

I wouldnt be surprised if Levia-chan and Behemoth will be added in liberation

[pale knoll]

Kick his ahh

[calm gull]

I have MLB Nihi on my main

[unique mountain]

Remind me who he is

[pale knoll]

They said they won't be updating it

[calm gull]

welp

[swift mango]

I remember he said so in pvp cooking chat.

[quartz prawn]

[calm gull]

I thought I am the only one that have MLB Nihilister when I was in section at the moment

[swift mango]

Maybe it was you

[unique mountain]

Join back so I can kick

[lunar pawn]

Think niichan mlb'd them all

[calm gull]

I left on february I think

[calm gull]

not worthy enough

even to be kicked at

[unique mountain]

[swift mango]

Please find a way to remind them. 1 million Arena credit for 1 spare body and 1.5 millions for Nihister would do.

[sage burrow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1230275842886602822/1361868843496247376/image.png?ex=68024cf2&is=6800fb72&hm=449154ee0bd22b8b825315225180fc3d85d1653e0cf8759a1982d4441d288079&

It was incredible

[swift mango]

Someone @keen vapor wish to be.

[frosty fossil]

well, seeing the opinion of a few pvp experts, most of you say zeus wins so time to finish my winning streak...

[spiral onyx]

Work has been busy, will record and upload my matches later tonight when I get the chance

I haven't even had a chance to log in and check the replays, surprised I was able to get 2-3 (was predicting a 1-4 loss)

[unique mountain]

This iz bizness

[swift mango]

Most people vote for Zeus because he beat Keripo.

~~ oh shit he showed up when I was mid typing ~~

[spiral onyx]

Zeus has some pretty fragile teams. If people copy them for Season 2, that's gonna be a lot of free wins

But at least they are functional teams rather than CP padding teams, so they are better than most still

[swift mango]

I think you could consider Soda next season. Side you don't have to worry about her CP.

[frosty fossil]

Show us later who you think will win, you are the expert here🙏🏻

[spiral onyx]

I'm legit considering 1/1.5RL sac teams lol

[unique mountain]

I have 1200k vouchers rn

[swift mango]

Enough for one copy of Sin.

[spiral onyx]

Almost a year ago

[valid fern]

Can 400 sync R nikkes die fast enough tho.

[spiral onyx]

Actually I need a quick confirmation. Are all units upsynced to lvl 400? Like if you're 260 synchro, are you 400 in CA?

Or if you have a lvl 1 unit, does it get synchrod up to 400?

[swift mango]

Yes

My synch is 380

Everyone 400.

I remember when I was building teams my lv1 also become 400 but all my CA units RN are in synchro machine.

[leaden canyon]

Btw do you even need to overload soda or any units for CA or what.

Like at least get them to overload zero right?

[covert lintel]

yes, you can't sac in CA
i confirmed it #pvp-arena message

[swift mango]

If you think your Soda can survive without OL or purple doll you could bring her naked.

[rich quail]

[raven plover]

because you kicked him?

[unique mountain]

Yes

I can only presume

[spiral onyx]

Can you leave empty slots in your team?

[raven plover]

you cant

[covert lintel]

it's tough to be an esport union

[raven plover]

it will shifted to the left

[unique mountain]

It will all be over after this month ur , after that coordination will no longer matter , only wallet

[swift mango]

I'm sure glad lv is locked at 400, where gear still matters, not 501+

But 300 would be better for gear value. Now that CP is no longer a problem.

[unique mountain]

Enjoy this final ur

[raven plover]

mishiro is 9 steps ahead

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1285446259640893451/1360898726775754923/Screenrecorder-2025-04-13-13-44-17-851.mp4?ex=6802b9f4&is=68016874&hm=fdb484430d359c58b54df378d87a39db762a82a7bc42a312cc1698a437d5090c&

[swift mango]

If you can't do that in rookie don't expect it to work for CA either.

[raven plover]

you can do that in rookie, I think someone tried it here

maybe I misremember, try it

[swift mango]

They really fixed empty p2 because CA no CP penalty.

Why didn't we think about this sooner.

[swift mango]

It's fixed like months ago, before new year even.

[covert lintel]

empty p2 became empty p5?!

[swift mango]

Yeah, you could test it rn in Rookie.

[unique mountain]

[sage burrow]

why is t3 rng?

[covert lintel]

[swift mango]

real?

wth... I wasn't able to do this at all but you could.... maybe they switched it to SpA or CA only?

[covert lintel]

i recorded it 5 minutes ago

[swift mango]

yeah, you have Mana in this video...

and trina as well

[raven plover]

ye someone tried it before

[covert lintel]

so CA work differently or that was a bug?

[swift mango]

#pvp-arena message

This was when Empty P2 failed me. And @lunar dirge as well. I remember Merry also commented on it.... maybe it's SpA only. Or they reversed the fix.

[sage burrow]

the record books of my own betting, im gonna copy the finalists' teams
(top 64 not found gg)

[coarse lake]

rookie yeah?

iirc this only works in rookie

[atomic wolf]

Based on what

[lusty pelican]

@hollow eagle my dood love u man sol won, can i ask for this one too..?

[swift mango]

@tropic summit It's just come up to me that you don't have Emi and most of of your CA peeps do. You start CA in hard mode.

same to Rheax

[umbral crown]

Pull issues

[raven plover]

rheax reached top 8 without emi? thats great

[hollow eagle]

prolly this

correct me if im wrong, pvp pros

[lusty pelican]

strikeout means lose?

[hollow eagle]

ye

[lusty pelican]

okk thankss my dood

[oblique ridge]

I concur with your predictions except R2. I think R2 goes to Right.

I believe Noah will burst in time to prevent Helm from killing somebody.

Then Cinderella will wipe the team. I recently learned that Cinderella AoE burst can’t be taunted.

[hollow eagle]

oh, Bay cant block Cindy yea?

[oblique ridge]

Idk if Bay can block or not block Cindy

[keen vapor]

Yes

[swift mango]

I wonder if Rapu with Moran buff would tank Scarlet slash and Nero with Moran buff would then heal up and tank Scarlet normal attack.

Then next cycle, Rapu revive LapT and kill Scarlet+Blanc+Centi who are remained.

@worthy knoll , could your Nero win this? Please give your expert opinion.

@worthy knoll

[hollow eagle]

is right team fast enough tho? that RH Blanc Scar should be 2RL tks to Nero + Moran feed

[swift mango]

The right team could be 2.5RL and Moran catch 2rl Scarlet slash. But Idk their CS ofc.

[lusty pelican]

hi guys does 2.5 anniv also include new main stories?

[keen vapor]

Yep, new campaign chapters

[lusty pelican]

noice alright

[stuck pike]

Free outpost defense bump and free pulls every major event

[hushed kelp]

Rapu with moran and nero DR buffs has done pretty well for me tanking scar

[umbral crown]

not really buffed scar

but team works fine

[hushed kelp]

My nero and quiry need more investment ._.

[umbral crown]

max doll, max skill, some cores and you should be fine

[worthy knoll]

Tilts more to the opponent, Blanc is Nero's bane. The one I tested uses Emi though this one used Centi

[final wedge]

never thought this is possible

removing 1 quantum change it into 2.5 RL

[umbral crown]

everything is possible

imagine if you only have quatum lv7

[swift mango]

my CN whale used this from when he first got his hand on Trina as well, it could prevent Scarlet from being unlinked.

maybe it's original fromCN.

[umbral crown]

The trina version is kinda weak

[worthy knoll]

Against Trina is fine, as long B1 Moran was done before B3 Scarlet

[umbral crown]

Yeah, i need to get lucky with some ammo haha

[coarse lake]

well you gotta make sure scar is linked so you live longer

[swift mango]

Thank you

[swift mango]

Maybe they only have Trina 444?

[coarse lake]

btw I assume blanc rh emi can't nuke it?

[umbral crown]

who knows... but might be the case

[worthy knoll]

It probably can too

[umbral crown]

since they have blanc buff

[worthy knoll]

As long as its with Blanc debuff

They have a high chance against Nero

[final wedge]

LMAO thx for the confirmation....so it is possible

[worthy knoll]

Since Blanc offsets Moran

[coarse lake]

rh srosa scar for nuke

[umbral crown]

but anything else than blanc nero team wins

[swift mango]

Oh wait, the problem in your Video is that, your Nero is already at 10-20% HP when Scarlet slash.

When Rosy Nero only at 40-50 HP so she could tanking Scarlet slash in Rosy video.

[worthy knoll]

This one against Soda ver, good case and bad case of stun

[hushed kelp]

Are sac teams possible in CA?

[worthy knoll]

Yeah, I started placing Nero on P2 against Scar coz of this, to reduce the heat on Nero pre burst

[swift mango]

You could see your Rapu and Rosy's Rapu both survive with similar HP.

Rosy HP was a bit lower HP even.

[coarse lake]

is it viable to do p1 moran p5 nero to block sgs

[umbral crown]

@covert lintel

[hushed kelp]

P5 nero wont get DR buffs from rapu heals tho?

[swift mango]

Rosy Moran couldn't even survive. Trina clearly stronger than Blanc in this case.

[coarse lake]

this is another reason you wanna run 2rl cindy, so 3rl moran can't snapshot the dr

[coarse lake]

oh right

well then how does the team fare vs 4 sg 1 rosa hitting from p5 angle if nero moran are in p1/p2

[umbral crown]

nero P1 and Moran P5

[coarse lake]

then rapu burst

[umbral crown]

true

haha

[swift mango]

Okay it's just crit RNG and different investment I guess.

[worthy knoll]

It depends yeah, but Blanc one is more likely to win coz even if Nero survive, she will die coz not 100% DR even if Rapu survives

While Trina one, if Nero survives, she can't kill Nero anymore, as long Rapu survives

[umbral crown]

yeah

will try with moran P1 to see if nero can get more hp to survive a bit more

[swift mango]

Yeah, I checked Rosy video and saw that. But only 6-7 sec though, not 10.

Thanks.

[umbral crown]

moran p1 and i won

nani

will uoload the video soon

[worthy knoll]

Just think of it like on the right side vid with opponent just dishing just a lil bit more on the after burst atks coz of RH buff, like 3-4k more

[coarse lake]

I'm very curious if p5 scar would change things

[atomic wolf]

yeah it's clear

[coarse lake]

p1 p2 linked would die first, then trina cliprl eat the shots and buy time (but no counter), but scarlet still in p5 attacking

bc running p5 scar trina means that whoever is linked dies before scarlet assuming the dmg instances are small enough (which they are vs nero moran)

[swift mango]

I think this team is still dangerous. It need higher Rapu investment than Scarlet. And needs to gacha the Crit too. If they Crit, Rapu died and match over.

[umbral crown]

[swift mango]

[umbral crown]

funny how putting moran P1 changed things

[worthy knoll]

It its RH it is fine, my Moran will burst.. that one is just mano o mano face tanking Scarlet slash with Damage reduction

Left one would be the one with Moran buff, RH will prolly deal just a bit more than what is dealt on that Left vid

The one the left vid is already with Crit on my Rapu although not RH buffed

[swift mango]

I mean, if Scarlet Crited on Rapu she would just die.

Same to Nero in this case.

[worthy knoll]

As long you are able to Moran before the slash

It won't kill

Even if its a crit

[swift mango]

This pic is Moran before the slash though.

The right video right?

[worthy knoll]

My right video? It has no Moran buff

[coarse lake]

prob need high cs so that you're like 2.8rl

[worthy knoll]

Compare the left and right damage to Rapu its different

Well not just Rapu, the whole team

[coarse lake]

tbh this setup optimally is just too expensive, max doll on at least 3 units + treasure, a ton of skill invest, and probably even enough cs on quiry rapu and helmt so moran b1 is fast enough

[worthy knoll]

My right vid Moran got stunned so her B1 was delayed

[coarse lake]

if they like double doll mat income and skill book income, sure I'll do it

[umbral crown]

optimally is having max doll on everyone

[swift mango]

Is this guy same or higher or lower synch than you? Do you know if his Scarlet is 101010? And Trina x107-10?

[umbral crown]

thats the way

[worthy knoll]

Pvp Guy, 1 sync tier above me

It is sure 10/10/10

We've been duking it out since SP arena release

He even invested on his Rosanna once he saw me using Rosanna back then when she was released

[coarse lake]

for champ, using such a setup does effectively mean they're out of a 2rl cindy, which is enough of a drawback atm that it's not worth the insane invests for me, esp since I'm so far away from optimal setup rn

[umbral crown]

loading a funny video bois

[coarse lake]

most ppl using it in champs are quite a ways from optimal tbf

sr5 on nero moran, prob some skills not maxed

[worthy knoll]

Now I started to use Soda, he copied my def too, those 2 vid me fighting Scar Soda, it happened coz he copied my def

[coarse lake]

this is why I'm not using nero moran in sp against my whale even if I built one

I don't wanna have to deal with 2 sync tier higher whaled out nero moran when he copies

[umbral crown]

that also makes sense

im usign in sp tho but the bois do not think gonna go the nero way

[coarse lake]

I'll just keep prostinating on the comp until a variant comes out that doesn't cost me my 2rl cindy and is cheaper

if the comp can basically guarantee champ for me that's another story, but it'll just increase my odds a bit

[worthy knoll]

I still want to have that 2 RL Nero Moran dream to happen.. if only Trina S1 has no conditions on %hp, it would have been possible. She could sub out Rapu, no more 2nd full burst though

[umbral crown]

[coarse lake]

just wait for more pvp meta units

prob get at least 1 more before the end of the year

hopefully more helmt-tiers, those are gamechanging

[umbral crown]

or then we get a nero treasure

[worthy knoll]

Nero Treasure, give indom on Nero

[umbral crown]

works for me hahha

and eventually moran or quiry treasure

give x2 the heals

[worthy knoll]

Well I doubt they would treasure a unit that already works really well on her niche

[umbral crown]

but we do not now, i a copium could happen

[coarse lake]

I don't think either are really that popular either, or belong in big squads that seem to be the focus

although.. after they're done with lapt and drake squad, they could move onto zoo or underground queen squad

leona is uh.... more or less irrelevant now

[worthy knoll]

Imagine Treasure Nihili, makes her like HelmT, Lib units back in action again

[umbral crown]

rosanna treasure, nuke values x2

[tulip quest]

I see more and more Nero comp since C.A

[umbral crown]

not really

in my bracket i just saw 1 but 0 investments so far

in CA

[tulip quest]

hmm that would be broke for sniping

[coarse lake]

ppl know they're good, but don't know how far theirs is from optimal invest

so it's not a major threat atm

[swift mango]

Rossana treasure, Sacc now give 100% burst gen

[coarse lake]

and with how rng champ is, I don't think there is much incentive with current doll and skill income to min-max

[umbral crown]

and not everyone gonna go max doll on all units, max skills and stuff just for 1 team

[tulip quest]

Nikke shud add ROCK BETS, CORE DUST BETS And Even Gem bets LOL

[swift mango]

For 5 team on the other hand?

[tulip quest]

Then nikke will become full GAMBLING GAME XD

[upper grove]

Rock bets

[coarse lake]

pretty sure keripo got 1-2 teams that went full undefeated, still lost

[umbral crown]

the auto team pve

[tulip quest]

C.A IS like 50% Good teams 50% Match up RNG

[coarse lake]

the longer the seasons go on the more it'll favor rng, as everyone's teams will improve as they copy the good ones and not worry about cp diff

[upper grove]

The finalist in my bracket would've lost to me if my match up rng was better

[coarse lake]

just down to, did you order your teams correct, and did you pray enough that you're fighting on optimal side

[lunar pawn]

100% trash

[tulip quest]

YA Trash reward

I'm having fun just watching tho but investing in it is kinda iffy ATM if they change not the rewards

[worthy knoll]

Players got bankrupt, lucky ones dancing, bankrupt players leave, EOS coming

[coarse lake]

pvp in nikke is prob close to its final form, not expecting big changes for first regular season

[tulip quest]

Just limit like 1 rocks per bet

Cause I've known stupid people waste their money on sure lose bets

[coarse lake]

atm if you can already enter champ.... you're at or just shy of max rewards you can get out of pvp entirely

[worthy knoll]

Well kidding aside, rock betting would be kinda fun to do

[upper grove]

If the SR hall of fame has actual rewards I'll just try to have enough investments for ch 1-3 and call it a day tbh with CA RNG

[coarse lake]

and there's no hope for future content

[swift mango]

Just win against the odd bro, just like me.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1177116972593463316/1362243556508700834/Screenrecorder-2025-04-16-06-34-46-674.mp4?ex=6803012d&is=6801afad&hm=d07ed9572cc1d378c2d8dc834685af83854226a2fc80fc550c74bfb5b0d8a93e&

[coarse lake]

is that a low invest emi didn't have the range to hit crown

[lunar pawn]

next season no cost for betting
since they promised better farming rewards this month, surely we can earn rocks, doll/skill mats in arena too

[tulip quest]

Crown XD

[umbral belfry]

[tulip quest]

EEEEE did shift up said we can rocks?

[coarse lake]

lol hell no, they're never adding anything substantial to pvp, all the rewards we care about are only in pve content

[umbral crown]

that emi lacking investment i see

[upper grove]

Pvp is side content

[swift mango]

Yeah, but you wouldn't know that because the match before it, he was one shooting Bay linked 5 units.

[tulip quest]

gems for SP is same with Raid tho

[swift mango]

[lunar pawn]

hot take, pvp is a mistake, should have never been a thing in gacha

[upper grove]

The surface content stuff is more likely to have actual rewards

[coarse lake]

sp gems is the sole exception yeah, main decision maker must have hated pvp less than the others

[tulip quest]

XD at least gives gems for more pulls

[coarse lake]

they said surface content will have doll mats and skill books already iirc

[upper grove]

20 free pulls a month worth

[tulip quest]

oh something to look forward too

[tulip quest]

ya IF AND IF ONLY UR FIRST

2nd or 3rd

[lunar pawn]

could remove it and add those rewards elsewhere

[vapid lake]

Cant wait for it to come out in 2026

[tulip quest]

if you mean C.A We ded then cause not part of it

[lunar pawn]

all of pvp

[upper grove]

Yeahl I'm lucky with bracket, always there with mediocre investment

[coarse lake]

at the start of the game I'm sure they had big plans for pvp, after all we got units like jackal and rosa early on... but eventually they stopped giving a damn, prob paused work on champ arena for a while too, and decided to just.... neglect it entirely

now that there's no promised pvp content unless major direction change, they'll just forget it exists

[tulip quest]

Siren is RL CLIP COPE

[coarse lake]

only reason they'll make pvp meta units is if they ran out of ideas for pve units

[tulip quest]

Big bubbles boom burst bammm

[hushed kelp]

I say shes gonna be SG

[upper grove]

Who was the last unit before Trina designed for pvp? Not counting rumani as she's just a battery

[coarse lake]

ar/smg imo

or sr/rl

[lunar pawn]

expect meta pvp units before a big event, like before half anni/anni/collabs

[tulip quest]

can't remember not much viable pvp units added really just PVE

[hushed kelp]

Siren pvp unit plz

[umbral crown]

si

[coarse lake]

main new content for pvp in the future is to just see what pvp kits they cook up when they decide they wanna have a unit do decently well, but also not affect pve at all

[lunar pawn]

siren higher burst gen than trhelm

[umbral crown]

to make Ein team more viable

i like it

[hushed kelp]

Pilgrim SG for shotgun meta

[umbral crown]

[tulip quest]

i USE SCARLET TRINA ON RAIDS LOL Gets 600m average even on not Electric weak

[umbral belfry]

Do we even have a SG pilgrim?

[umbral crown]

mega clip SG

[hushed kelp]

Isalbel

[tulip quest]

Got Drake for that

[lunar pawn]

working on more niche pvp units seems kinda mad rn, bay, moran, quiry etc, or 17% CS, considering they'll release more high burst gen units in the future like trina, so won't even need that extra CS

[coarse lake]

yeah scar trina is as much designed for raids as for pvp

[umbral belfry]

ah, no wonder i couldn't remember

[tulip quest]

is bad on PVE standards just okay

[coarse lake]

it makes scar from trash to passable in pve

[tulip quest]

Average damage of a raider would be 1B + per team COMP

[coarse lake]

and in pvp for a banner she was overshadowed by reit in nuke

[tulip quest]

Yea but thing is in pvp I never saw ReiT in C.A Yet

[upper grove]

If they design units like trina to pair with old units like scarlet to buff them I don't mind at all

[coarse lake]

scar is prob just bc they and/or the community like her

[upper grove]

Make doro usable again in SR

[coarse lake]

and she's been powercrept hard in pve

[tulip quest]

YA Make Old Pilgrims or Old character Viable in both PVP AND PVE by adding specific buffer or helper to Them like Trina

seeing old characters being used feels good

[hushed kelp]

Pilgrim treasure, make them relevant again

[coarse lake]

harran is another very powercrept character, but nowhere remotely close to scar in popularity

[tulip quest]

Isabel CRYING XD

[coarse lake]

doro would be main candidate for next pilgrim "treasure"

[tulip quest]

tho PVE only

[hushed kelp]

Cn version already has a buffed doro

[upper grove]

Privaty treasure to fix doro would be an easy move imo

[coarse lake]

they got no issue with pve only

[tulip quest]

eee but she kinda already fix doro

[umbral belfry]

doro treasure over isabel treasure?

[coarse lake]

doro treasure just needs to increase her cdr enough to not need priv, then increase dmg or buff or something, then she's up to date

[upper grove]

But using privaty is so bad atm

[umbral crown]

but isabel got a waifu skin so that means treasure

[tulip quest]

But im just gonna wait for Characters Like Helm

that becomes a MONSTER AFTER TREASURE

[coarse lake]

isabel imo they're waiting for vestialt pair, 5 sec burst team

[lunar pawn]

pilgrim/overspec treasure is cope

but I support it

[umbral belfry]

It's coming trust

[upper grove]

If they wouldn't need bonds I wouldn't mind pilgrim treasures

[tulip quest]

lol characters that overly powercrept others GETS BUFFED Bruh others that don't have them will feel ded inside

[umbral crown]

liter treasure, adds 5 more sec of burst effect

[umbral belfry]

[quick lake]

Ein treasure

[umbral crown]

[upper grove]

But needing dupes for pilgrim treasure would feel so bad

[umbral crown]

oh yeah give

[tulip quest]

no problem with bonds unless U MAX every single character

[umbral crown]

i would

[upper grove]

2 star is my issue

[lunar pawn]

trhelm is the best character ingame and it's not even a competition, they gotta rework isabel/harran etc if they don't wanna give pilgrims treasures

[tulip quest]

OH YEA THAT Also XD

[umbral crown]

ein treasure: damage by passes inmune

[coarse lake]

no chance

[tulip quest]

BLANC TEAM

[upper grove]

Or in case of pilgrims and max bond: MLB

[umbral crown]

[hushed kelp]

Could do banners for pilgrims with treasure

[umbral crown]

or ignore taunt

[lunar pawn]

problem of pilgrim treasures is that people would expect, like all other treasure seasons, for them to be added to shop

[umbral crown]

[coarse lake]

if they wanna do it, they just add it to the treasure mileage system

[tulip quest]

We fought against Cinderella boss what do you guys think Siren Boss is? Little Mermaid?

[coarse lake]

which is where I think they'll put xanne and other very old seasonals imo

least amount of work

[tulip quest]

YESH Buff them PLEASE

[upper grove]

Having old seasonals in treasure mileage would be great

[lunar pawn]

it's gonna be butt naked burninghum

[coarse lake]

did you do mudfish story yet

[hushed kelp]

Noah is in silver mileage?

[umbral belfry]

mudfish

[tulip quest]

2ND PART NOT YET

[lunar pawn]

yea

[coarse lake]

it'll probably be ||gluttony||, but it depends on where siren is rn

[tulip quest]

No spoilet please

[upper grove]

The only pilgrim

[coarse lake]

so it could be one we got no knowledge of rn

[lunar pawn]

don't forget smol white and old rapu

[tulip quest]

ya because shift up thinks she's worthless in PVE

[umbral crown]

crystal chamber

[upper grove]

I forgot about the welfare units

[hushed kelp]

Lmao then isabel harran and rapu could be added too

[tulip quest]

I USED SMOL WHITE ON Deficit Whale hard mode SCREW MECHANICS

[hushed kelp]

Scarlet og never had a banner did she?

[tulip quest]

YA

[upper grove]

1st pilgrim banner was mod iirc

[tulip quest]

Then she got powercrept

[lunar pawn]

none of the pilgrims on release had a banner

[upper grove]

Mod -> doro -> rh -> sbs -> crown -> cindy grave -> rapipi

[lunar pawn]

the only character on release that had a banner was alice lol

[coarse lake]

honestly it's really just down to the main decision makers at SU and who they like, so if there's a specific change you want, move to kr, learn game dev or management or something similar, join SU, move up ranks until you can influence decisions

[umbral crown]

scar: lets go to ordinary banner bois

[coarse lake]

or befriend someone personally who can already influence decisions, that's probably much easier

[tulip quest]

WHY IS SHE NOT PILGRIM Lol

[hushed kelp]

We can let them cook

[lunar pawn]

I know a guy