pvp-arena

[placid bloom]

[calm gull]

your sea, take a look, theres even 220k clear

[calm gull]

very good gaming chair

with blanc b2 without rouge or noir

lemme show u

[placid bloom]

just core 5 and rental Liter ez

[jagged mesa]

that lowest CP clear is wrong right? liter listed at lvl 200

[swift mango]

It was like half a year ago. I can't take a look now.

It was before Ein I think or right after Ein release.

[jagged mesa]

if that indeed is wrong, then i'd be the lowest cp clear of all time in my region if i managed to do it at my cp lol

[calm gull]

aight wait

[swift mango]

I swear there was a 270k. But 289k is alright too.

Maybe the 270k dude got banned.

[placid bloom]

well we don't know if that one specifically is legit but in theory it's possible with enough ele dmg on Cinderella and Ein, 82k Cinderella at that sync is basically almost 12/12 black line

[swift mango]

[swift mango]

Ah you are NA, different server

[jagged mesa]

that liter is definitely wrong too, not sure why it snapshotted as level 200 in this list

[placid bloom]

he used rental to lower CP

on purpose

[jagged mesa]

i thought rentals are core max

[placid bloom]

[wanton island]

10 10 10 rental liter

[jagged mesa]

oh nvm they arent

[calm gull]

NA server are legit run, meanwhile SEA

this is bs

[swift mango]

Those guys just have better gaming chairs. Stop before ng jealous.

[calm gull]

surely

[jagged mesa]

ill just wait a month or two to kill mc then i guess

i really wanted to do old tales and the new side story though

[swift mango]

It was 250-270k when I hit that stage. But 200k now.

Too much improvement with new Cindy they don't even have.

[calm gull]

I dont think this will work

[swift mango]

Shift Up confirmed doesn't ban mod app.

[jagged mesa]

you dont have a liter?

[calm gull]

I have but skill lv are 646

[jagged mesa]

i mean thats still better than that cp diff no?

[swift mango]

Time to down modapk and hot the ranking

Watch me Clear MW at 6000 CP.

[jagged mesa]

why stop there

just go all the way to 36-xx hm

[swift mango]

I mean MC hard more is enough. Ch63 too much for Modapk

[calm gull]

not really, the lv for atk buff matters

[wanton island]

ime cindy's attack for qte is questionable at best

whenever i tried with 62k cindy she missed a lot

[jagged mesa]

i dont know the exact interaction between stat penalty and in-battle attack buffs, but i'd have assumed that a smaller deficit would yield greater attack buffs even at lower percentages

[calm gull]

deficit sure will have stat penaltym but the scalling from buff stays

[jagged mesa]

hold on so this is what i was curious about actually

say you have a 50% deficit, and a 100% ATK buff with a base attack of 100

is the result 100 attack

[calm gull]

based on your current final stats

after the cuts from stat penalty

[jagged mesa]

err, i guess what im asking is the scaling from the buff, does it scale on the original stat or stat after penalty

[calm gull]

stat after penalty

[jagged mesa]

in that case there's no way a 10/10/10 rental liter > 6/4/6 non-rental that pushes your cp up to like, idk 310k-315k cp

[quick lake]

Base Damage = ( ( Base ATK * ( 1 + ATK buffs ) * ( 1 - CP Penalty ) ) - DEF + ( Caster's ATK Buff % × Caster's ATK ) + ( Final/Caster's HP × HP->ATK Conversion %) ) × Weapon/Skill Multiplier

[jagged mesa]

i think at 310k cp, the 6/4/6 multiplies better on the post-penalty stat already, roughly

ok so yeah a liter that puts you at 310k at 6/4/6 already breaks even with a rental at 10/10/10 and 291k cp

and that's not including the dilution of ATK% buffs cuz cindy already has a bunch built in, so does RH

[wanton island]

shooting range could always confirm

[jagged mesa]

shooting range doesnt have a function to simulate cp deficit does it

[wanton island]

doesnt need to

10 10 10 rental vs 6 4 6

[jagged mesa]

it does because the cp deficit penalty is the core part of this equation

unless you manually calculate

[wanton island]

it does that calculation after the penalty

penalty wont matter

[jagged mesa]

ok so just for some rough napkin math

rental liter at 291k cp vs MC, using RH's B3 attack steroid as a baseline:
107.79
6/4/6 liter at ~310k cp vs MC, also using RH's b3 attack seroid as a baseline:
111.14

that's not including cindy either, as cindy has a much bigger attack steroid i think

[calm gull]

what I intend was the atk buff that cover stat penalty
it has no concern with shooting range since shooting range doesnt apply penalty to your units
also, this is the matter to see if you deal enough damage to break phase 2 MC Slippers

liter surely drag my cp a lot so the stat penalty gotten bigger, its still gives buff but not enough to break slippers

[jagged mesa]

yeah i for sure think that higher cp is more preferable, because at 310k cp, 6/4/6 liter already breaks even with 10/10/10 liter at 291k cp

even more so when you factor in cindy's ATK conversion and RH's b3 steroid, and evne even more if considering RH's b1 steroid

[shell hazel]

you're not going to clear MC at that CP, I think I was 330K ish in the end

especially without built Ein

[calm gull]

plus crownless

[shell hazel]

yeah even more so then

you need a lot of atk buffs to break the slippers

[jagged mesa]

oh yeah true crownless too

[placid bloom]

I think the lowest Ein-less clear I saw on ranking was like 317k with RH Alice SAnis or something but that's more of an exception, most Ein-less clear will usually be around the 325-330k range

[jagged mesa]

you're even more cooked than i am bro

i pulled crown just in time for MC, i think halfway through chapter 30

and RH literally AT mc

[calm gull]

no problem, I beat behe crownless

[jagged mesa]

crownless on both accounts? not like this

[calm gull]

3 accounts.

[shell hazel]

I had a reply from SU on my ticket asking me to confirm the match wins of the other players in my bracket vs my own, naturally I can't see those so not sure why they're asking me for it, back it goes (they closed it for good measure)

[calm gull]

1 has crown

[jagged mesa]

my accounts are crown on one, grave on another, and crown on my 3rd account that's bricked pvp but has crown

and when i say bricked i mean perma bricked unless brackets get shuffled, at creation it was bugged and placed into commander level 600 brackets

[shell hazel]

you can't see the match results of the other players

go into CA and try you'll see what I mean

[jagged mesa]

and when i say bugged, i mean really bugged because it also has a permanent marian avatar icon and cant be changed

[shell hazel]

I can't see results even from brackets I am not in

[calm gull]

my CA bracket was rigged af

[swift mango]

We are in same bracket no?

[calm gull]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1177116972593463316/1360832513827803259/image.png?ex=6800820a&is=67ff308a&hm=b17d67dc5aa0df38a9533fc98e61435a5ec70c0b3965b9de930444ecf31e2d2b&

[quick lake]

is results in 7 mins? or an hour more

[swift mango]

See you next CA.

[placid bloom]

1 hour should be

[calm gull]

idk

I got knocked on 64

[strange linden]

Damn I was right on this cheer, the majority cheered for the guy who lost and I didn't understand when the first guy had better comp lmao

[placid bloom]

cheer locks in 5 min though if you didn't bet yet

[swift mango]

I mean the whole league bracket, not just one group.

I have 3 other union members itbis league too.

[placid bloom]

you think people can tell who is gonna win by comp

[calm gull]

yeah, also my other SEA acc was in section

[swift mango]

Older account?

[calm gull]

yes

[swift mango]

Okay I see we are in same union just not chat much with each other there I guess.

No wonder your name familiar

[calm gull]

I left just to focus on alt, my main now just for SR purposes

and my alt is already match my main within 5 months

[swift mango]

Okay may we meet each other next CA.

[calm gull]

I'll lose again for sure

[swift mango]

We didn't even meet. Maybe we meet after getting to top 64 next time.

[calm gull]

this is my only account that can compete, the rest are bricked af

[pale knoll]

[coarse lake]

anyone got CA noise + noah vids saved? just need any recording with a team that's using them both

[unique wagon]

For what

[coarse lake]

their taunt prio is different from sp/rookie

[sage burrow]

Why are there random ahh zoom ins on ko’d nikkes

[coarse lake]

mainly looking for a vid where the one that is closest to p1 has taunt prio pre-burst

so far every vid I'd seen regardless of cs has the right-mode unit taunting

[pastel owl]

maybe the players are smart enough to put p1 taunt

[coarse lake]

I've yet to see a vid where that's true in ca

both mine and someone else's noise noah are tuned properly for sp, whoever proj lands last is taunt, that doesn't hold true for us in ca

a vid where there is significant cs gap (can visually see the difference between when they fire with the ammo icon) between noise noah also works if anyone got some

[pastel owl]

have some but they are p1 slower which results in p1 taunting

[pastel owl]

this one p2 noah is slower

and results in sanis hitting noah correctly

[coarse lake]

yes, I've seen a lot of vids like that

in that case it works properly, but like half the time it doesn't

[unique mountain]

RLLRR , right won

[lunar dirge]

@fathom rock HE ASSPULLED ALL 3 FIGHTS

@near plank right won the stall match up in team 4 as I predicted

[vapid lake]

cheer arena printing me money i love this

[coarse lake]

I'm sorry, I'm cursed

[jagged mesa]

@umbral belfry folian from our bracket is going into top 4 omg

[coarse lake]

whenever I try to win, I lose, when I try to lose, I win

[vapid lake]

as long as im not participating i love cheer arena

give me da money

[atomic wolf]

contact me at [e-mail]

i'll help you with gambling advices

[lone sequoia]

i lost my cheer, i forgot to check cp and def nerfed the team i thought it would win (no taunt for them)

[dim escarp]

rip, top8 is huge already I m glad

[lone sequoia]

better than me

[dim escarp]

[atomic wolf]

let me help you doing what cindy did to siren in old tales

and then you will become the jawdrop

[merry agate]

Lol the top position is defence

The bottom attack

[coarse lake]

it's the other way around

[lucid zenith]

@minor pier Sorry for ruining your cheer streak there were a few things I didn't expect either

End of the road for me

[coarse lake]

need someone else's opinion on this, top is attack

[wise horizon]

I lost on T2 and changed it slightly to Moran, Cinderella, Helm, Bay, Laplace (T). Originallly it was Rumani instead of Laplace (T) and lost. any advice here? dont have noah or rapunzel.

[merry agate]

Its changing every round?

[coarse lake]

no, it's consistent as far as i can tell

[placid bloom]

r1 top, r2 top, r3 top, r4 bot, r5 top I think

[merry agate]

What? The bottom always attack?

[fiery walrus]

Made it through to top 4. My second match is the longest fight I have had so far in arena. https://streamable.com/kzjfzv

[placid bloom]

not too sure on r4 and r5, those are gonna be stat check

since some char might die earlier/later than expected

[coarse lake]

top is attack

[placid bloom]

but in theory Helm r4 kills Emi with burst and gets cleaned up by SAnis

and R5 is XAnne revive ReiTN into nuke double iron

with ele advantage to Rei if has ele dmg lines

[coarse lake]

watch SU not letting me cheer on that fight

the other fight has 3 rounds that are basically mirror

[placid bloom]

there is a very, very small chance that SAnis has more Atk line than Emi and gets nuked by Helm instead

[coarse lake]

they're definitely making me bet on that fight, then giving the rng win to whoever I don't pick

[placid bloom]

in which case I think they outheal Emi

but it's not too likely

[hushed kelp]

@fathom rock rip, my CA run is over. If i had made it through this round i think i couldve had a good chance to beat the remaining players. I think i got rnged t2, couldnt get burst off

[placid bloom]

first 3 fight should be very in favor of top though, r2 is 2RL Scar into 3RL Blanc

[merry agate]

I just watch top is defence lol

[placid bloom]

r1 depend on if Cindy team has enough cs to sneak burst before Noah but if same cs then 0.5 slower Noah is still fast enough to blank Cindy

[coarse lake]

? you mean inside of the fight itself?

yes whoever your perspective is in the fight is attacker, but that applies in all of pvp

[hushed kelp]

Do SG units only target p5 first on defending side?

[coarse lake]

I'm talking about figuring out who is atk and who is def before you see the actual vid

[loud sonnet]

[placid bloom]

r3 there is chance that Blanc indom gets redirected to BSoda if she eats too much Scarlet s2 counter

so maybe bot wins that actually, I don't think BSoda cleans up since SBS should still burst

[lunar dirge]

@near plank try talking shit about quiry again bro

[lunar dirge]

Same with team 3,you basically got screwed over by sheer luck alone

[hushed kelp]

Lmao gdi

[sudden drift]

oof... these last 8 teams are pretty wild. only "standard" team i spptted was 2R:L noah cindy team

JP server peeps cooking with that soy sauce

[grand plaza]

First match was top... I was thinking that Scarlet would kill Rapunzel but it was neither fast or strong enough

[placid bloom]

[placid bloom]

Rapu p1 fatter in CA I guess

[placid bloom]

oh it wasn't even Rapu p1 it was Rapu p4, guess their Scarlet just suck

[merry agate]

Quiry new meta

[lunar dirge]

she kinda already was, but stall team only and not everyone ready to invest allat

[coarse solstice]

Is there a list of minimum investment requirements for the SG team?

[placid bloom]

wtf why Quiry heal base value so high

[hushed kelp]

Quiry undefeated all CA lmao,

[placid bloom]

it's like triple Blanc's base value

[coarse lake]

bc you're giving up your dps

[jagged mesa]

is endurance cube a good way of sidestepping units that target lowest defense

[placid bloom]

yes, you need it for SBS Blanc mirror

[grand plaza]

Honestly I don't get man.. 2 matchs ago Scarlet bursted just after Rapunzel, so I thought this time it should burst before her considering its 2RL this time

Bur for some reason Scarlet burst just after Rapunzel again? It was almost slower this time..

I guess Jackal feed made it 2RL as well so basically Rapunzel always stay alive enough to burst

[placid bloom]

the top team never had Jackal though

it was always Jackal on Scar team only

could be bug

[grand plaza]

I mean from what I understand both bottom teams were 2RL in the end (since its limit), and its simply not fast enough to kill Rapunzel.

[lunar dirge]

Yeah, cool, sadly left won other team due to rng, but I was about how whole team 4 fight will go:helm snipes helm, does 0 damage, biscuit dies, gg

[placid bloom]

top would need insane cs to not be 3RL

which is possible...

2 quant cube isn't enough to get close the gap, it has to be cs

maybe the guy just has 17cs HelmT

[jagged mesa]

is there a calc that can show up to 4.5-5rl

[sudden drift]

ok i was wrong more familiar teams but surprising how many are using crown and grave

[placid bloom]

no, higher than 4RL you have to calc yourself using 100/1RL %

you can usually eyeball it though

like if one team has 1 clip RL vs 1 mag RL

[lean holly]

crown is a huge W but grave idk?

everyone uses crown but grave i dont know

[hushed kelp]

SG targeting noah and then centi rather than p5 xmaid here. Is this only because i was on defense or because of noah taunt?

[wet crystal]

Gambling gods smiling at my risky choices

[placid bloom]

Noah doesn't taunt at start of battle, SG swings at p1 on attack

[grand plaza]

I mean even if its not 3RL, how long it takes for Scarlet to burst? You know B1- B2- B3, is there a half-sec delay like auto campaign?

[placid bloom]

they have unprotected Noah, just gets gunned down

[hushed kelp]

Could this have countered the sg comp?

[placid bloom]

on def? No, Noah still dies probably especially if DrakeT has any ele dmg

[raven plover]

the SG is attacking side so yea it aims p1, you are defending

[lunar dirge]

my teams, didn't use Nero and quiry they stock

[placid bloom]

if you don't have Biscuit she is just gonna die

[hushed kelp]

But id still be able to get burst off with centi and rumani

[lone sequoia]

i wonder if SU will fix attract for def teams

many people lost because they didnt* have a working taunt

[hushed kelp]

I dont think id even need noah burst

[placid bloom]

if Noah dies before 2RL your team speed is no longer 2RL because you lost Noah's burst gen

[hushed kelp]

Mm true…

Would be better to put noise p1?

[lunar dirge]

I predicted that if they kill Noah in p1,5 rl, Cindy team becomes 3rl since Noah won't fire her 2nd shot

[sudden drift]

@lunar dirge your mana team makes sense... that second column team with mana i dunno what that is.

[lunar dirge]

wdym by that

[lone sequoia]

keripo will lose to a guy who only fought against pve or weak pvp team

[sudden drift]

is that even 4RL?

[lunar dirge]

3rl

[sudden drift]

yours? or his

[placid bloom]

[lunar dirge]

Mine, I showed you mine cook

[sudden drift]

thats my point. i cant be bothered to throw in burst gen spreadsheet but that doesnt even look 4RL

[lunar dirge]

Emilia is clip rl tier, rumani is clip rl

It's 3rl

It doesn't show due to bug

I'll show it again

[grand plaza]

@placid bloom
Is there a half-sec delay between B1-B2- B3 on arena like auto campaign?

[placid bloom]

I can't find the burst timing sheet but I do know 2RL Scarlet is faster than 2.5RL Noah while 2RL Cindy is not

[sudden drift]

this one

[lone sequoia]

b3 rng, still scarlet b3 should hit before noah shield

[lunar dirge]

this is ass, and I didn't even show this one

[jovial palm]

Wow. Regular Anis making a killing out there!

[placid bloom]

this is assuming equal cs

[lunar dirge]

I only sent 1 pic

[lunar dirge]

clip rl

[grand plaza]

It burst before Noah, that is accurate. But can't burst before b1.

@tropic summit Do you know sth about this?

Is there a half-sec delay between B1-B2- B3 on arena like auto campaign?

[lunar dirge]

That'all that matters

[placid bloom]

2RL Scarlet is faster than 3RL Rapu if that's what you mean

[jagged mesa]

which loadout would you guys favor

32k cp diff but 4rl vs ??rl. granted, biscuit blanc stalls a bit

[lunar dirge]

Too one

[grand plaza]

Hmm then definitely some cubes and such there.

And probably not half-sec delay like campaign then

[jagged mesa]

im just worried i get hard cp gapped

[lunar dirge]

In champ or sp?

[jagged mesa]

im already eliminated in CA, so SPA

[grand plaza]

Just curiosity but do you know if RL Scarlet is faster than 2.5RL Rapu?

[placid bloom]

2.5RL Rapu gets burst off

just not Noah

[lunar dirge]

Doesn't look like cp gapping

[coarse solstice]

Here is my top 4 Match how do you all think itll go? I'm on the left

[lunar dirge]

needs 212k to get gapped

[jagged mesa]

i mean both of those are my teams, so my team 1 vs others might be cp gapped but team 2 wont, but is slow to burst

[placid bloom]

generally I would say you are safe to kill with Blanc SBS at around 20% deficit

[jagged mesa]

e.g. facing a 280k cp team

[placid bloom]

past 25% you might lose though

[lunar dirge]

Team 2 is actually a good thing that it is slow since blanc stall usually wins the slower team

[placid bloom]

from my own experience anyway

at 30% deficit you start hitting 1s

[lunar dirge]

Oh wait

[jagged mesa]

hmm

[lunar dirge]

Wtf

Sry, just noticed bottom team is not even 4rl

[jagged mesa]

yes LOL

but ive been able to win with it so far... but if i drop it down to 220k cp for 4rl im hard cp gapped sometimes

[jagged mesa]

ill try this out

one of these days ill pull a stupid noah or jackal.... one of these days

[sudden drift]

rng put you in very tough matchups

[coarse solstice]

:/ It was bound to catch up with me, I've been pretty lucky through out the tournament

[muted stag]

help

[pale knoll]

@lusty gull

[sudden drift]

well definitely don't mirror match with the jackal teams.... esp since they got ros

if you have a centi sub her in T2 instead of biscuit and check CP diff against their T1

[keen vapor]

Noah team against Rosanna
Blanc/Scalet Alter/Noir/Biscuit/Rumani against Helm team

[keen vapor]

Perfect score

[muted stag]

remove biscuit in noah team?

[sudden drift]

nah listen to nostradamus over here

[keen vapor]

You shouldn't need Biscuit if your Noah has SR 5 doll and tempering 7 cube on her

You can use Noise to replace its place

[sage burrow]

next exam (im joking)
I tried reading this and came up with
Left
Right
Left
Right
Left (not sure on this one)

[sudden drift]

wouldnt centi ensure cindy burst before noah does?

[cedar orbit]

Helm team won by Helm bursting before Blanc

[keen vapor]

Noah > Bay has been proven once again

[keen vapor]

I'm not fighting a Noah Emilia clip RL team with a gacha skin hoping it doesn't has enough charge speed

[keen vapor]

That's why I'm switching Cindy against Scar Rosanna

[jagged mesa]

are CS breakpoints so specific in arena that anything below 17% can be discounted

[sudden drift]

no jackal mirror matches!

[keen vapor]

Now I'm curious whether or not Cindy is linked there....

[muted stag]

is this fine

[keen vapor]

Maybe 15% is inconsistent

[jagged mesa]

but like if i have two base 4.92 cs rolls, it makes no difference right

effectively same as 0 in terms of burst gen except for potential rocket whiffs

[muted stag]

welp it loss for t1 sbs got snipped

[lunar dirge]

I'm getting the worst cheers known to man and still only lost once

[keen vapor]

I guess

On second thought switch Biscuit and Noir places

[muted stag]

sbs got snipe tho

switch biscuit and noir isnt sbs gonna get snipe still

[lunar dirge]

This is the one lost

[keen vapor]

Helm burst faster than Blanc?

[muted stag]

eh shit i clicked out

but i think so since blanc didnt proc oh rumani is not on quantum

[tropic summit]

wow to think you're still the attack side? SR having fun time on T3

[pale knoll]

Add me need amigos

[tropic summit]

didn't i already add you on global

[pale knoll]

09154361

My other acc

[muted stag]

shd i swop out rumani for emillia or anis

for faster charge

[tropic summit]

added thee

[pale knoll]

[keen vapor]

Emilia is not faster.... Unless you replace Scarlet

[muted stag]

then anis or jackal from t3?

[lunar dirge]

guess who wins

[umbral belfry]

my cheer

[tropic summit]

more money to the blood gods

[keen vapor]

How bulky is your Blanc? SR5 as well?

[umbral belfry]

iirc he had all bots at the beginning LMAO. but overall he's doing good

[muted stag]

yeah

[umbral belfry]

@coarse solstice LOCK IN

but you still win this, now win the finals 🗣️

[muted stag]

just make her sr 5 previously wasnt

[jagged mesa]

it's gonna be funny if you continue to hold rank 1 in SP with folian running around with CA diamond border

[umbral belfry]

LMAO

the gatekeeper

[kind palm]

top 4 got crust comp but his teams good
anyone in SEA predicted who gonna win already?

[covert lintel]

told u dorimine

[keen vapor]

How strong is your Emilia? Attack lines? Doll level?

[lunar dirge]

Left lucksacked

All of 3 fights

I was right about team 4 and 5

So I still was right

stall slip went as I predicted

[muted stag]

i can sr 5 her she is r0 rn

[covert lintel]

because u underestimate drake treasure against unprotected noah right?

[lunar dirge]

I said team 2 is 50/50, others were saying that, not me

[keen vapor]

Left
Right
??? What
Left
Right

And you lost that cheer?

[unique wagon]

Im here to evaluate my predictions

[tropic summit]

got memed

[jagged mesa]

sorry im not sure which values to plug in. first time looking in depth instead of eyeballing arena

[keen vapor]

Ugh, no attack lines is not good better not

[lunar dirge]

No lmao, incorrect

[keen vapor]

[wet crystal]

@coarse solstice our match will be the only time I don't vote for myself

[tropic summit]

ironically nero moran teams properly built probably have high win ratio this CA

[jagged mesa]

if im looking at something like this for cp purposes, how can i calculate if this clears 4.5RL or 5RL? im not even sure what the numbers im looking at are

[keen vapor]

I can't built anything

[muted stag]

i can reroll but need lock charge speed lines welp

[keen vapor]

Don't

[tropic summit]

[unique mountain]

Blood is going to win

[lunar dirge]

I predicted how team 4 and 5 will go, team 3 was pure rng

[umbral belfry]

ash cooking for pvp at last?

[muted stag]

i think just use jackal can already then rumani go team 3

[keen vapor]

We need treasure helm on the team, but then we can't attack safely scar team

[jagged mesa]

image wasnt loading

[lunar dirge]

You did any?

[jagged mesa]

im just trying to make do with what i have

[tropic summit]

you're 89% to 4RL, meaning you're 5RL

[umbral belfry]

I believe in you

[kind palm]

different group ig

[unique mountain]

He predicts every possible outcome so he is always wrong and right at the same time

[placid bloom]

what do you mean? just take the 2RL value and cut it in half, that's how much you're getting per 1RL

[jagged mesa]

is there any significance in considering 4.5RL though

[unique mountain]

Ye

[unique wagon]

@coarse solstice so how did urs go

[lunar dirge]

Tzeench follower

[coarse solstice]

Thanks dude, I had no expectations for this. Rail really did good by me with the team he built. Just happy to be here kinda thing GL ❤️

[muted stag]

@keen vapor i can use trina scar team also i think

[tropic summit]

dies to nearly everything, as you're not 3RL

[unique wagon]

And @spiral onyx's too

[jagged mesa]

oh i see

[unique wagon]

Better than expected?

[placid bloom]

it's not always 100% accurate because there's going to be reload speed timings as as well as certain characters getting procs

[jagged mesa]

i think nearly everybody in my bracket is still struggling for units lmao

[coarse solstice]

Looks that way. Only lost to their scarlet and won the mirror

[umbral belfry]

Bullied him

[placid bloom]

e.g. SBS should get the 6/9th hit proc

[keen vapor]

You'll die

[unique wagon]

Oh I didnt predict ur matchup today

[umbral belfry]

[covert lintel]

if i'm not over confidence with my team, i would 100% win

[sudden drift]

@unique wagon predict these

[wet crystal]

I want Noah and scarlet, I'm a whale without luck

[jagged mesa]

is that you

[umbral belfry]

Folianh here

[wet crystal]

Hi 4sh

[jagged mesa]

hi lmao

[umbral belfry]

Gl, and grata on top 4

[raven plover]

I cheered the enemy instead myself

[jagged mesa]

yes congrats on top 4

get that diamond CA border so you can flex on hime

[tropic summit]

won the match, but at what cost

[wet crystal]

I thought I was done at t16

[umbral belfry]

No bully

[raven plover]

my winning cheer frame

[umbral belfry]

Ya did good I lost to khiren

so if either you or ura make it, lock in 🗣️

[wet crystal]

Already got my bets on ura

[umbral belfry]

I never had a chance to actually see bc I'm getting ready for work rn, hang on

[jagged mesa]

wait i just realized, are rookie and SP arena brackets different

[coarse solstice]

Usually

[wet crystal]

It was hectic in our bracket for the 2 and 3 spot for a while

[jagged mesa]

since when

[sudden drift]

nobody gemming for SPA anymore after this

[jagged mesa]

it's been hime, you, and then me/a handful other people trading places for the longest time now

[tropic summit]

you may find in your sp arena bracket enemies from rookie, but sp arena is a bit wider so there are also opponents you don't have in rookie

[lunar dirge]

I ain't hearing any of quiry slander here

[jagged mesa]

ahhh makes sense

[tropic summit]

quiry understimated 🍿

[covert lintel]

u got the advantage of being defender and still chose him?

[wet crystal]

Yup, ZZZ, other person and you, we kept rotating spots lol

[jagged mesa]

i dont think i've passed you for a very long time

[raven plover]

I didnt expect to win t1 and t3

[umbral belfry]

Wait I can't tell ura vs folian actually bc t4 SG is gonna mess up indom. up to t3 maybe?

[muted stag]

@keen vapor tht worked

[wet crystal]

I get new units and try different comps on Hime, coz c1 is the only one I can challenge

[lunar dirge]

actually I predicted that outcome #pvp-arena message

[jagged mesa]

its kinda surprising that im still hanging in there though as f2p and lacking units as well

[umbral belfry]

The way both you and ash have no noah is

[covert lintel]

most of 2rl scarlet against rosanna will become pepega

[umbral belfry]

but that's also good to be there too without

[keen vapor]

I guess your jackal has CS

[jagged mesa]

no jackal no noah no rumani, no doll luck so units are underinvested (no thelm) heheheHEHEHE 😩

[raven plover]

I thought their rapun gonna stun me

[umbral belfry]

Going thru it

[wet crystal]

Doll lucks, I'm losing on 40% chances

[umbral belfry]

Also going thru it

[kind palm]

gotta watch vid to see who's faster on team 1
but seems really close
I think both base 2RL speed all SR RL shoot at the same time

[keen vapor]

Left
Right
Right (bay blocks Scar nuke)
Right (as long as left=top=attack team)
Left

[raven plover]

wait zap arland

[jagged mesa]

my sbs pitied fully to 15, my alice pitied until it hit a gold kit at 11. that was my only gold kit success 😩. i've got nothing left for helm or my other units

[unique wagon]

That would cost $0.5 per prediction

[jagged mesa]

helm is still at R1

and i just rolled a RH (same day as hime), so now that pushes helm even further down the priority list

[sage burrow]

4/5 huh

[umbral belfry]

Welp work time, good luck top 4

[coarse solstice]

That was supposed to happen in the last round to. Their team was Slower than Folians though. Rapunzel has been stealing indom a lot this tournament

[sage burrow]

how does bay block scar nuke

[covert lintel]

he can't because rapun will be a target of your rosanna
your T3 placement is rather good to place rapun in p4 and make a second sac(noir), that is why u can win that

[raven plover]

rng was on my side.. for the battle not for cheer

[sudden drift]

it was more of a 'how did these teams make it to final 8'

[unique wagon]

Sorry im tired predicting

[keen vapor]

That's the only thing she's good at

Cover absorbs that damage

[wet crystal]

My predictions for my match was actually W,L,40/60,L,W

I didn't expect to actually get indom for team 2 and win lol

[placid bloom]

no CP deficit allowed for a lot of upset

[lunar dirge]

It can win or lose

Depending on rng

I use Trina to get protection against first 2 SG shots

[keen vapor]

But you know, I'm actually expecting Helm to snipe Jackal link first

[jagged mesa]

i wish i knew about the no CP deficit earlier, i would have paid much more attention to forming my teams

[sudden drift]

you and everyone here

[placid bloom]

I don't think it would've mattered much for me, I only made 3 team and the remaining 2 is trash anyway

[keen vapor]

[placid bloom]

just relying on RNG to get dodge bad matchups but it didn't get that far

[covert lintel]

congrats you win next match too @raven plover

[lunar dirge]

@raven plover gay+lucksack

[unique mountain]

I'm supposed to be cheering the same matchup , did you figure out who's winning

[unique wagon]

Defender side players bringing SGs = 😊
Attacker side = 😊

[pastel owl]

didn't know bay can tank cindy

[grand plaza]

Hmmmmmmmm

I think overall top team wins but I have no idea about first match, neon taunts helm burst right? Overall first time saw Nero as well tbh..

Enlighten me please

[lunar dirge]

It's either Moran bay or noise bay, not solo bay

[unique wagon]

CS decides will decide

At this point predictions become harder

[fathom rock]

i lost mah mony

[unique wagon]

Yeah Bay is good

[coarse solstice]

This just happened in my top 16 round

[coarse lake]

bay has to be same speed as cindy or faster

[unique wagon]

Because u didnt ask for my blessing

[coarse lake]

if bay is slower, bay does nothing vs cindy

[lunar dirge]

Remember you saying right team 2 wins? Yeah sure

[fathom rock]

I pinged you for help and got nothing

[fathom rock]

Its still all rng

[unique wagon]

Ure MA that is to be expected

Are u guessing this too?

[grand plaza]

you mean CS for Helms right?

[lunar dirge]

team 3 won due to left's guy Rosanna surviving scarlet's counterattacks before nuking and she dealt a lot of damage

[lunar dirge]

Yes, I get the worst cheers humanly possible

[unique wagon]

Left is attacker?

[lunar dirge]

Yes

[fathom rock]

Yeah this matchup

[pale knoll]

Left

[lunar dirge]

How exactly?

[placid bloom]

maybe someone will collect all the match data and make a chart showing win history of every matchup, then we have perfect information

[coarse solstice]

I was talking about my last round*** sorry. I'm terrible at predicting. Blanc has been such house. Her and Bay were my biggest surprises. I really like watching the high end Nero builds. Good lord those are tough

[pale knoll]

Feel like t2 sgs are gonna nuke the noah in 1 shot

[fathom rock]

Invest and crit rng diff

[lunar dirge]

Correct

It was all going down to team 3 matchup

And left won it

[pale knoll]

[wet crystal]

Nero? I've so much to learn about pvp...

[coarse lake]

it'll prob take 2 shots to kill noah, that's max doll

[pale knoll]

He just said they nuked her in 1 shot

[lunar dirge]

Round 4 was literally stall slop

[brittle berry]

May I know who'll win this?

Attacker T3 Jackal linked are:
Scarlet - Trina - Jackal

[lunar dirge]

Noah doesn't do 2nd shot and Cindy team becomes 3rl and sg's kill centi

[coarse solstice]

https://youtu.be/mh2BMx8xsn4?feature=shared

[coarse lake]

vid?

[coarse lake]

noah can die in 2 shots and only fire off one shot

[lunar dirge]

2 or 3 shots

[sudden drift]

Left, left, left, right right?

[lunar dirge]

In 1,5rl

[lunar dirge]

That's what I said

[brittle berry]

I'm leaning towards that too but a bit unsure about T3.

[unique wagon]

• More likely left, but it's also dependent on enemy Bay invest tbh.
• This is interesting. If Noah dies after 1 RL, and Centi dies after 2 RL, left wins. If Noah tanked, they would win.
• Left more likely to win because chances are Emilia shoots faster (S1).
• Right. Left not enough damage.
• Right obviously.

[covert lintel]

if defender is on the right
R L R R R

[unique wagon]

Choosing left was risky tbh.

You gambled the Drake have enough ELE lmao.

[lunar dirge]

Left won team 3 actually due to left Rosanna surviving the scarlet's s2, but you are right

[wet crystal]

Wow, a match can last that long? Multiple bursts, what a wall, how do ppl cook these synergies

[lunar dirge]

And Emilia had higher attack than rosanna

[upper grove]

at least the guy I lost to in my bracket went on to top 4

[unique wagon]

Investments.

[wet crystal]

The long game

[kind palm]

you try compare minimum charge speed of both team 1 from previous matchup seems to be pure 2RL

[raven plover]

I think so yea but the final if I meet 14 I think Im losing

[coarse lake]

does anyone happen to have used a CA noise noah duo that has noah with 2% more cs? if so vid pls

[raven plover]

https://tenor.com/view/why-are-you-why-are-you-gay-pepe-julian-who-is-gay-you-are-gay-gif-15004128

[coarse solstice]

That team takes all of the mats. Super niche and high investment. Very strong in the CA format though

[kind palm]

I'll just cheer left team

[covert lintel]

14 is most likely advanced
yawn guaranteed win is only T3, other teams are weird

[kind palm]

look who's back to do his dailies

[raven plover]

ye then Im gonna lose on final

[kind palm]

today I tried multiple rosanna sac def team
to make all my sp def teams win against his 2 attack teams
to effectively ignore rapunzel revive I try to sac to 2.5RL

while also needing to kill noise by using p1 p2 taunted to kill noise in another team

[covert lintel]

your team 5 which nikke get linked to jack other than sbs?

[raven plover]

xmaiden

Im losing 123 already

[covert lintel]

then u will be fine

[raven plover]

[kind palm]

why did I not censor his name

[raven plover]

I saw nothing

[sage burrow]

i saw everything unlucky for you i have ultra photographic memory

[kind palm]

anyways the star of today's sp def team 3 is rosanna skill 2 strat

[covert lintel]

how do you think you lose T2?

isn't 14's team is only helmT bursting

[raven plover]

helm prolly gonna nuke my sanis, not sure tho it aims highest atk right

[covert lintel]

she will go to your viper

[raven plover]

ye I hope so, surely 45% atk on sanis wont screw it

ok nvm my viper has 18% atk theres hope

[covert lintel]

nah not OL line, ss base atk of your viper and sanis

[raven plover]

210k vs 180k yea

[tropic summit]

moran trina helm bay

@spare brook add this to your stall teams dreams

[covert lintel]

change nick to championman later

[raven plover]

if I win

[umbral belfry]

@jagged mesa @wet crystal I just realized something, who the heck was our 4th in our bracket for CA? i don't think i saw em anywhere 😭

[umbral crown]

That fight was funny

PH boi really cooked

[tropic summit]

4 SGs pressure, seems like 2 nikke can die within 2.5-3RL afterall @lunar dirge

unlucky biscuit placement from that top 8

they hurt so much you'd think they're on deficit

execution squad

[tropic summit]

well CH has both good but also very weird comps

i guess some ppl went overboard with copium

[raven plover]

nvm I checked my moran sanis mirror vid and sanis rocket aims moran + sanis

[umbral crown]

Yeah , some people there had interesting comps

[umbral crown]

[tropic summit]

found a keripo copycat

[umbral crown]

So a reason to notnreset her

Ssakura

[tropic summit]

assassin squad

[blissful willow]

Rosy btw how far did u go

[umbral crown]

resets mica instead

[umbral crown]

Top 64

[blissful willow]

Hopeless copium uniy

[umbral crown]

My ein team faced a noah biscuit and scar faced bay helm

[wet crystal]

Idk if it was ZZZ at the time of prelims, didn't see him in our bracket

[umbral crown]

I Was ded

[blissful willow]

Damn, seems like all of us were just prepping for winning in atk

[brittle berry]

@tropic summit

Hi Rail, can you help me on this? #pvp-arena message

I have different opinions from saltyaf and rakuen.

[umbral crown]

Hahah yeah

[grand plaza]

Do you think bot blanc can activate indom?

[tropic summit]

bot needs a lot of feed to hit 2.5RL, which would allow blanc to hit B2 at least... so no

[umbral crown]

But there will be always a next time

I already fixed my cooks

[kind palm]

rapipi feed top team so much too

[unique wagon]

Id vote top

[unique wagon]

SG actually feeds more in fast comps

[grand plaza]

I am overall planning to vote top for the whole game tbh

[unique wagon]

[unique wagon]

Why do I remember this. Rouge P2.

[kind palm]

oh I mean Jinnnn's matchup

[unique wagon]

Its reminiscent of someone here

Actually im sure that person IS here

[grand plaza]

[lunar dirge]

You just realised that?

[umbral belfry]

Maybe I didn't look hard enough I think it was either the Chinese name or the crown profile Pic? i don't think it was ZZZ, granted I don't even know what teams they run

[unique wagon]

Tf u talking about

[tropic summit]

didn't think it was gonna be that bad, fascinating

[lunar dirge]

Ele damage does wonders

[unique wagon]

Team 1 and 4 is rather brave of you.

[lunar dirge]

I might just assemble rainbow ele SG team

[tropic summit]

SGs shooting immediatly upon match start killing a nikke within seconds it's the cool thing

perhaps it's time i put my SG to work

[brittle berry]

totally did not expect this result but thanks!!

[unique wagon]

Take Team 1 and 4 with a grain of salt.

2 3 5 should be ok though.

[tropic summit]

T1 is assuming helmT and bay are dead early
T4 assumes noises dies pre burst

[lunar dirge]

I put drake bsoda for that reason in my noise bay sbs for that exact reason

[unique wagon]

Too much assumption.

Yet doesnt elaborate in their answer.

[tropic summit]

it's SG rush, the thing that is messing the most my bets

one time you assume they won't do much and yet... the other the opposite

[ornate spoke]

giv blessing pls

[unique wagon]

gives blessing

[ornate spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/bless-hands-hands-up-kpop-sunglasses-gif-14664908

[unique wagon]

Right
Right
Left
Right
???

[tropic summit]

you really shouldn't be wondering T5

[covert lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/konosuba-aqua-awua-aqua-blessings-aqua-blessing-kazuma-gif-20585827

[unique wagon]

I can tell you you are too daring and bold

[tropic summit]

that's automatic 2RL scar

[ornate spoke]

left it is

[ornate spoke]

so far im net 0 lol

[tropic summit]

no losses unlike some others

as you're on par

most ppl should be either 3-1 or 2-2

[ornate spoke]

vibe gambling is 50/50 lol

[tropic summit]

eh sounds about right

[ornate spoke]

cheer ranking wen

[cold steeple]

Is it left today for Asia server

[covert lintel]

i'm not betting on this but, my guess 14 win 4

[tropic summit]

underdog clutch 3-2?

[keen vapor]

Can Summer Anis skip Bay cover?

[tropic summit]

@pale knoll bricked

can't send you points it's bayover

[keen vapor]

Last cheer everyone bet on the guy who lose

[cold steeple]

All in 14

[keen vapor]

It was defined by a Soda vs Emilia Indom tbf

[tropic summit]

just had a similar 78%+ cheer loss, the worst part is that i had a feeling but still wanted to believe it was just an assumption

always the SG or rosanna doing that

[ornate spoke]

devs should encourage pro gamer moves and increading the multiplier with lower odds

[tropic summit]

china is already baiting

there's a good chunk who vote purposedly at first on the loser, then change bet slightly before results

[keen vapor]

Soda accident strikes again

[covert lintel]

you should ask other opinion because their team 4 and 5 are weird
i might be wrong about that

[forest solstice]

you’re global?

[keen vapor]

So no one knows

Eon does know but he has lost every cheer on purpose but doesn't admit it

[tropic summit]

mhm

[forest solstice]

add me

[tropic summit]

code doko

[pale knoll]

I need them, send

[tropic summit]

i tried

[forest solstice]

13108399

[pale knoll]

[forest solstice]

@pale knoll add me too

[tropic summit]

it is done

[pale knoll]

[tropic summit]

clicking harder also doesn't seem to help

[forest solstice]

yippee, time to kick someone out

[forest solstice]

I’ll send daily

[pale knoll]

[forest solstice]

[pale knoll]

Send req

[forest solstice]

ID doko?

[pale knoll]

09154361

[wicked burrow]

40mil dmg/tank in arena wow

[frozen nebula]

Are we allowed to choose which battle we cheer for? Or is everyone locked onto different battles?

[torn trout]

random

unless you are the participant

then you bet on yourself

[frozen nebula]

I see

[glad glade]

@valid fern good luck. I’m cheering for you

[torn trout]

im up 2 mil which is nice

[dire root]

Damn, I suck at pvp prediction. Like my read on this was jackal was going to keep cindy alive for a while and even if they burst first SBS wouldn't be able to kill Cindy before burst.

Was dead wrong on that one.

I also thought blanc and mana would also be feeding jackal to the Cindy team burst, in order for cindy to burst before death.

[torn trout]

blanc indom is a horrible trap

[dire root]

Indom doesn't matter to cindy

oh you mean SBS lived

[torn trout]

indom falls on sbs and shes got 10 seconds of free time to kill the whole team

[dire root]

and killed everyone.

[torn trout]

mana revive for security

[grand plaza]

Killing cindy usually doesn't work

[dire root]

My idea of this fight was Cindy bursts, kills everyone and SBS wouldn't have time to kill every one before her indom wore off

[torn trout]

10 seconds is a long long time

[dire root]

Having only 1 nikke alive also drags down your DPS by a bit

[torn trout]

especially when there is no taunt on the enemy team to block sbs

when that 1 nikke is a bursted sbs

it doesnt matter unless biscuit taunt is around

or like sakura

[dire root]

Blanc once again proving to be busted lol

She should be SSS

[torn trout]

blanc is legitimately insane and underrated

[dire root]

SSSS

Kicks the shit out of 99% of the other B2

in PvP

Can I turn off the zoom ins?

[placid bloom]

issue is speed.

[dire root]

I want to be able to see what is going on

[placid bloom]

Blanc SBS is inherently slow, you basically need 2 clip RL + Helm to reach 2RL otherwise it's 3RL

which means you die to 2RL AoE

that's why she's not rated as high

[torn trout]

i feel like theres enough batteries at this point

[rustic sandal]

Can someone help me building 3 def teams?

[placid bloom]

there's enough clip RLs sure but there's only 1 Helm

[dire root]

Yeah I can't see

[placid bloom]

Noah is not a fast team either, which usually appreciates Helm as well

[dire root]

I would like to see the fight

but without like all the zooming around

[placid bloom]

because you need Biscuit and that drags down your speed

[eager mountain]

no noah doesnt need bis lol

[placid bloom]

well you don't need it, there are other ways to do it

Noise + Noah + 2 clip RL works

[eager mountain]

issue with blanc other then speed is getting the right indom

that blanc team can easily get indom to p5 under sg pressure

[placid bloom]

but where else are you putting Biscuit at that point, you have 2RL Blanc and 2RL Noah eating 4 RLs and there's no point of putting Biscuit on a Scarlet p1 team

[dire root]

I may sit out next round

[eager mountain]

can be solved by adding jackal but at the cost of either locking scar there or having scar without jackal in another team

still getting f*cked by same speed rosa regardless unless theres mana

[dire root]

first 2 cheers were based on combat power defict .

which does not exist in CA

[placid bloom]

I mean you have to put Biscuit somewhere, there's no way she's being benched

[eager mountain]

bis/trina moran and use blanc scar jackel
there are many other ways around to build spa and i dont often need to put noah bis together

gtg

[placid bloom]

Biscuit Moran Trina clip is gonna be 3RL unless you use Helm though

isn't that the entire point, you die to 2RL

I guess it gets 2RL with Emilia and double quantum cube as well, but it's 0 buff Emi

[dire root]

Jackal feed plus P2 Cindy feeding burst should make scarlet burst first, with Trina it should instant wipe. Scarlet also has immunity and a jackal link to keep her alive long enough.

But what do I know, my predictions are always horrible wrong LMD probablyfull sweeps everything including this.

because why not

[torn trout]

scarlet murders that

[dire root]

Ah cindy does have centi though

[torn trout]

jackal trina helm is some very good speed

[placid bloom]

Scarlet kills first, her burst deals damage all at once

[forest solstice]

[valid fern]

you might not want to. I'm pretty sure I lose this next one.

[mild solstice]

Hey guys, i need to upgrade my sp def with the new units i have. I keep staying in Challenger 2 but recently my def is losing to 2 guys. Mind to craft something more tougher to beat? Ty in advance

[glad glade]

You said the same thing when you faced against me

[forest solstice]

@pale knoll sent

[glad glade]

Anyways, I think you’ll win rounds 1, 3, and 5 unless if Moran is hyper invested like what happened with Keripo

[valid fern]

well last time I didn't think your p2 biscuit would die like that.

[valid fern]

I probably win 1 and 5 but I'm pretty sure I lose 2, 3, 4.

[glad glade]

3 might be a bit questionable though since adding a quantum makes it 2.5 RL instead of 3

[valid fern]

no he's definitely getting 2rl since feed

[glad glade]

Of the op

Oh right, Noir

Good luck regardless bro. I’m rooting for you

[valid fern]

thanks. but yeah. I'm probably going to bet against myself this time. for the first time.

[gaunt viper]

@tropic summit So I decided to go for the lose all cheer bets frame and I can't even do that

[pale knoll]

You took your time

[glad glade]

Me too… I really wanted that silver frame for Cindy

Then when I tried to win the next battle after winning that bet, I lost 50k credits

[forest solstice]

had to touch grass

[pale knoll]

Too busy cat fishing?

[forest solstice]

what are you talking about

[gaunt viper]

See I've been on a 3 loss streak completely unintentionally. I've been trying to win with full wager amounts but I was told just screw it and go for the loss frame. seems even trying to lose isn't even allowed for me

[pale knoll]

Jk, heard something like that in the other chat

[glad glade]

Grim.

[forest solstice]

i see
wrong ping

[gaunt viper]

near 2mil credits gone to your 50k

[forest solstice]

i see

[pale knoll]

Seems like you didn't go touch enough grass

[forest solstice]

this is embarrassing

[pale knoll]

[covert lintel]

how do you think cindy linked to jackal?

[swift mango]

If you wanted Noise taunt at p2, you best have her 5% CS faster than Noah.

Learned it the hard way.

[lone sequoia]

CA gameplay

[oblique ridge]

Proved almost accurate, t5 was loss

Same here, t4 was Noah ended up not able to save the team (didn't check replays yet) so Keripo won match with 3 round wins

[pale knoll]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-perfectlybalanced-gif-18301221

[hushed kelp]

@fathom rock do you think you’ll be aiming for CA again anytime soon? Doesnt look like iggy is coming back so 4 spots available now in the server

[oblique ridge]

Holy smokes, it was close or something freaky happened.

Biscuit exploded but Noah saved the team. But couldn't finish off enemy team in time before being slaughtered

[lone sequoia]

keripo will lose to a guy who only fought pve and weak pvp teams

[oblique ridge]

Hmm, looks like Biscuit exploding (or not) wouldn't have changed things anyway. In the after-Noah invincible period, enemy team was recovering health dramatically.

Trina and Mana were seriously healing

[pale knoll]

Show match ups 👀

[lone sequoia]

is almost full counter

R2~R5 team synergy counter keripo teams, now we have to wait for damage

[warm monolith]

Biscuit ol first re roll

[oblique ridge]

Idk those details but I also felt that Keripo will be countered into a loss by that opponent

I think Keripo t4 will win because enemy brought SGs and Trina will be insta-revived by Mana

I checked replays of both, enemy's only hope is for his SGs to shoot in reverse order but Mana will still insta revive anyway. There's no way for SG team to win

[grand plaza]

Well, RIP

Thanks for letting me know tho

[hushed kelp]

Really torn on where to invest next, can also consider bsoda and/or tdrake. Anyone have recommendations?

[gaunt viper]

No problem

[lone sequoia]

no water SG in T4A, rumani can tank to b1 if the SGs don't get crits, but a kill in rumani stop the burst chain and the match will depend in all the damage keripo team deal before noah shield but i don't think he can tank SGs with rh b1

[oblique ridge]

Keripo t5 will probably lose, idk. Enemy team is better structured with heavy hitters, and uses SBS burst, while Keripo's team is relying on Ein.

Enemy team has SBS, Blanc, Rapunzel, Emilia, HelmTr.
Keripo team has Noah, Centi, Ein, Rapi Hood, Maxwell.

Meanwhile, Keripo t2's SGs are countered by Scarlet Jackal.

[lone sequoia]

for T5 a early kill in sbs and damage in rapu can save that round, if the damage in rapu is low, her burst can revive sbs in a rage for blanc to target her

[oblique ridge]

And t1 is another idk, but feels like Keripo's Scarlet Jackal + Blanc should win unless he runs into an impossible Indomitable (enemy team is using Blanc and Summer Anis).

And t3 seems like opponent wins if they burst, it's team Cindy vs team Privaty (backed by Emilia and Laplace).

Basically, Cindy will get to burst and win even if Privaty bursts at the same time.

And Cindy's in a high burst gen team (Rumani, Centi, Anis). With Noise B1.

Idk if Crown shield can save Keripo's team. Or even would be up in time at all.

[lone sequoia]

can't tank R3,
R4 is 2.5 RL against 2RL cindy
R5 "A" should win, but a bad blanc burst can save keripo

R2 a bit rng if the damage to scarlet/jackal link is high and the burst gen allow moran to b1 before biscuit S2 ends

[oblique ridge]

So to summarize my conclusions (disclaimer: opinions only, not facts) of Zeus vs Keripo matchup:

• t1 Keripo's win (possibility of a flip if unexpected Indomitables occur)
• t2 Keripo's loss
• t3 Keripo's loss
• t4 Keripo's win (possibility of a flip, but very unlikely)
• t5 Keripo's loss

Keripo: 3 Ls, 2 flippable Ws.

So Keripo loses. Probably.

Soo... I guess I'd need to be convinced that I was wrong about Keripo's t2, t3, or t5, to change my cheer

[raven sparrow]

perfect cheer record so far... do we get cheer frames or anything?

[oblique ridge]

Yes, if you get all correct cheers, you receive an actually nice looking golden cheer frame

[lone sequoia]

yep

[oblique ridge]

It has a royal crown, golden dice, really looks nice

[raven sparrow]

nice! where can we see it? i dont see it under "Reward info"

[oblique ridge]

If you get all incorrect cheers, there's a silver version with royal crown placed on opposite direction

Missions Challenge

And, no reward for mixed cheer results

You have to tap the ! where you usually go for daily, weekly missions

And tap on Challenge and scroll until you find the cheer missions

[raven sparrow]

oh wow taht actually looks REALLY nice

i want it XD

[oblique ridge]

Hehe, good luck. You need two more correct cheers

[raven sparrow]

yeah need to get next two, thank you

im not really confident on this next one

in terms of burst speeds, they are similarish and it feels like it could go 3-2 either way

[grand plaza]

Silver is the really good one imo, I will try for it next time

[raven sparrow]

im going with phoenixf though i htink

if i can get gold ill try for silver next time lol

[oblique ridge]

Huh, your top 4 looks different from my top 4

[lone sequoia]

different leagues

[oblique ridge]

Pretty cool

[raven sparrow]

probably because its bunched by different start times
i started last year near summer

[grand plaza]

@oblique ridge What do you think this one

I am betting against bottom previous 2 times and he is winning...

Now it looks like top is clear winner again but ppl vote for bottom again.. Am I missing something here?

[raven sparrow]

so im not in the old old heads group, there arent many people with like emilia in my tournametn for example

[oblique ridge]

Lucky them. Permanent advantage in your tournament

[raven sparrow]

i saw one with it, but i voted against him because his comps were all whack and i got it right lol

but most dont have it, so i think we're mostly all post-REzero starts

[oblique ridge]

Idk what you mean, do you mean you lost two cheers so far?

[oblique ridge]

The way it works, box around the RL numbers indicate this is what the team should have if no surprises by Charge Speed or the like

So the ones you circled aren't even in play

For a team with no boxed RL speeds, they're so slow they didn't achieve any of the RL speeds listed

Meaning "greater than 4RL" essentially or in better terms, "slower than 4RL" because higher = slower

[raven sparrow]

what site is this so i can use please?

[oblique ridge]

So here, T1 bottom team is faster by 0.5RL
And T2 top team is faster by 1RL
And T3 top team is faster by 0.5RL
And T4 both teams are incredibly slow (PvE team vs PvE team )
And T5 top team is faster by more than 0.5RL

In speed alone (not actual wins/losses):
T1 - bottom
T2 - top
T3 - top
T4 - both too slow to determine which is faster
T5 - top

So top wins if being faster lets them dominate the enemy team (not necessarily the case)

[raven sparrow]

ive just been using burst gen spreadsheet :x

[grand plaza]

https://nikke-deck.web.app/

[raven sparrow]

thank you

[grand plaza]

Yeah last 2 matches I am voting against bottom team and he is winning, now I feel like top is clear winner again but can't be sure anymore

People vote for bottom as well

[umbral belfry]

@jagged mesa level 241 day today?

[forest solstice]

THIS

[grand plaza]

Thanks for the explanation, I am aware how site and overall burst gen works in pvp ^^

[oblique ridge]

Well if your vote turned on t3 going for Top, be careful

Is the speed factoring in feed by enemy team?

Like if I see 2.5RL for top, did it include feed from Blanc and Rapi Hood?

[grand plaza]

In this site? Nope.

[oblique ridge]

Then top will crush bottom there by bursting before Blanc can burst

[lone sequoia]

burst gen doc is still better if you want to know more about the match, the nikke deck is better to show synergy or ask for opinions, most people don't count hits for pvp teams

[oblique ridge]

Team 2 is also no surprises there. Should be that top's Cindy kills enemy team.

By bursting B3 before bottom can.

[grand plaza]

Thats what I believe, I don't think top would feed enough for bottom to become RL2 or 2.5

[raven sparrow]

which is better to ask for advice on? i assume the non-spreadsheet so you can see it all at once?

[lunar pawn]

+12h credits, now it's zeus vs keripo
I'm gonna guess keripo again, hbu? Didn't check teams yet

[oblique ridge]

Is cool, I wondered if I wasted the explanation But might as well, at least someone else new can see it and understand better

[lone sequoia]

nikke deck, if you ask to someone, he will probably use the doc to review the team, both are good, but only few use all the info in the sheet

[raven sparrow]

i went with top one phoenixf

but out of all of them so far im unsuare about this one :x

im not really sure how to read this site 😭

[grand plaza]

#pvp-arena message

He just made a great explanation here

[raven sparrow]

ooh ok thank you ill read that

[grand plaza]

#pvp-arena message

This, mb

[oblique ridge]

I was told that 0.5RL is generally 2 burst sequences worth

So the faster team B1 will burst uncontested, then the faster team's B2 will burst at same time as slower team's B1, then faster team's B3 will burst at same time as slower team's B2, then finally the slower team's B3 will burst "uncontested"

[raven sparrow]

what does "2 burst sequences worth" mean, like 2 hits?

[oblique ridge]

So 0.5RL means faster team's Scarlet AoE nukes just as slower team's Noah invincibles team, for example

[raven sparrow]

ahh i see

[oblique ridge]

There are small discrepancies there (sometimes Noah is too slow but it's rare)

[grand plaza]

Like b1 character uses her burst, then b2 character uses hers

[raven sparrow]

first time doesnt have noah against scarlet nuke

its against moran biscuit summer anis comp so...

i figured scarlet comp would win being 2RL vs 3RL

[oblique ridge]

And, 1RL for the same example means faster team's Scarlet AoE nukes without any resistance from slower team's Noah - no chance for the slower team's B2 to burst. RIP hehe

But it doesn't include bullets feed from enemy team into Jackal, so be careful with predictions if you see Jackal

[tropic summit]

[grand plaza]

Honestly depends on how invested Anis is, because that Moran will stall a lot

[raven sparrow]

the way i saw it,
team 1: phoenixf win 2.5 vs 3.5
team 2: don't know... (3.5 vs 3.5)
team 3: don't know (3 cindy vs SHIPPIDI 2 scarlet???)
team 4: 3RL vs SHIPPIDI WIN 2.5RL (cindy)
team 5: phoenixf win 2rl vs 3rl

why is this so hard T_T

[raven sparrow]

question though who do you guys think win team 2, 3 and 4 here?

🙏

[oblique ridge]

t2 goes top unless Indomitable is screwed up and bottom gets to AoE nuke. It's difficult to call accurately because we don't know if bottom will be assigned Defender or Attacker (it changes SGs' targeting direction from standard p1 to p5 to reversed order of p5 to p1)

[raven sparrow]

based on those numbers looks like a pretty heavily invested summer anis

[oblique ridge]

t3 goes top unless bottom's Soda saves the team with lucky stuns.

Because Bay will intercept Scarlet AoE nuke.

However, bottom's Soda is a B1, so her stuns will hit first, on two targets. Could be Bay.

Unfortunately, Soda is going to be taunted by top's Noise and Rumani.

[raven sparrow]

thats a really high number i think

however phoenixf's scarlet is just as heavily invested

and red hood too for that matter actually

[raven sparrow]

honestly dont know if that moran can stall enough

[raven sparrow]

ahh right bay is important here

[raven sparrow]

but its 3 RL with bay vs 2 with scarlet, so that means...? does bay get off in time before scarlet burst?

[valid fern]

I am pretty sure I lose here. team 2 gets shredded by SG team and he has defender advantage, it will mess up the indom.

[oblique ridge]

I updated, it's a problem that Soda will be taunted by Noise and Rumani.

[grand plaza]

Thats what I would do tbh

[raven sparrow]

oh hey its you! i voted for you last round, congrats on the win XD

[tropic summit]

there's noir feeding scarlet into 2RL

bay is then too slow to even burst

[grand plaza]

Lmao I am too slow to decide a whole discussion went by

[oblique ridge]

Well, it's RIP if Bay doesn't get to burst

[raven sparrow]

oh i see

[grand plaza]

Yeah fair I didn't realize how close it is to 2RL

[raven sparrow]

hmm

[valid fern]

I'm betting against myself this round.

[oblique ridge]

Yeah, Nikke Deck needs to add a feed calculator

[tropic summit]

also that team is nearly 2RL on its own, minimal feed and it's 2RL

[raven sparrow]

lol if the man himself bets against himself who am i to deny XD

[oblique ridge]

All these RL speeds without factoring in baseline feeds are messing with it

[raven sparrow]

so in this case you would say... team 1 and 5 go to phoenix (top) and 2,3,4 go to bottom?

[oblique ridge]

Nice, so that's one way to check without a feed calculator

[raven sparrow]

hmm

interesting learn a bit everyday

[tropic summit]

the teams crossed out are those i expect to lose

#pvp-arena message

[raven sparrow]

what about team 4 then

would anyone explain as to why team 4 would go to bottom?

[oblique ridge]

That bottom team is crazy good then I should copy it

Soda RNG ftw

[tropic summit]

s.anis needs to survive buffed cinderella nuke, assuming lifesteal is fast enough she may survive and solo or may not

[valid fern]

not even team 1 is guarunteed tbh. if you saw last round. his moran is cracked. and so was his anis with lifesteal. able to literally tank through Cindy burst. but then again his opponent was a p1 Cindy so he was able to 2RL for free

[raven sparrow]

i see, and other side has noah too and faster burst

[raven sparrow]

yeah i watched his moran + taht heavily invested s.anis lol

[valid fern]

tbh team 5 isn't guaranteed either.

he might just sweep the whole thing

[grand plaza]

@tropic summit do you agree with this guesses?

And I would appreciate a bit of explanation for the first match if you have time

[raven sparrow]

thanks for hte input guys

i guess ill switch from phoenix to shippidi then XD

i jsut want to get the frame and be done iwth this forever

[tropic summit]

T1 is invest dependant, if dolled up, temperance and invested nero + moran, that team is gonna soak a lot of damage while outhealing

rest seem pretty straight forward

T1 in particular may get 2 burst cycles going if manage to outheal SBS, again depending on invest

[grand plaza]

2-3 and 5 are pretty much guaranteed right? Most ppl vote for the bottom team again which made me question my sanity

[tropic summit]

all matches minus T1 seem straigtforward

[grand plaza]

Previous match looks like went 2 burst cycles, it was against red hood tho. Nero soaked it all

[raven sparrow]

isnt his team 5 a lot slower though? and no real way to stall 2rl vs 3rl, by the time his burst hits you will have noah up too

[grand plaza]

Appreciate it

[sleek imp]

Is dis good? Just got Trina

[tropic summit]

may aswell remove blanc as you're not doing anything with her

[sleek imp]

oh

[tropic summit]

add burst gen or other buffers that do not require to burst

ensure noone steals scarlet link so avoid attackers with higher atk% than her

[sleek imp]

Okay net

[valid fern]

its still possible he gets indom off. but maybe not since his blanc is p1 with no protection.

[sleek imp]

would Poli be good?

[oblique ridge]

Do you happen to have Soda?

[tropic summit]

SR anis or privaty or viper, if they tank CP just leave blanc as padding

[sleek imp]

No sadly

[grand plaza]

The funny thing would happen if Laplace is the highest damage, which make SBS indom with burst.. which would kill top team.

[sleek imp]

Kay

[oblique ridge]

Poli is not good either but you might be scraping your roster anyway. Otherwise you wouldn't put BS Scarlet with Scarlet

[raven sparrow]

im with phoenix on this though with no protection and slower burst feels like indom might not go off, no clue though
but makes sense now