pvp-arena

[knotty fern]

who win?

[final wedge]

the pinned message is all there to learn about the basic stuffs....its just....theres a LOT to read

oh dat question

[umbral crown]

i kinda went with option 2 idea but did not use sg team but i feel 2 is better

[wild mesa]

ah ok apologies i didn’t realise.. there were pinned messages
thanks!

[spiral onyx]

Poke Skyjlv to finish making his PvP intro video series

[coarse lake]

everyone procrastinating or not even attempting an up to date full pvp guide

[quick lake]

50/50 chance

[final wedge]

isnt he focusing on PVE????

[coarse lake]

I kinda thought about it, but then realized how deep the iceberg goes then realized how little of it the avg person will even read

[final wedge]

i mean....we got u for PVP expert

[spiral onyx]

I don't even have free time these days to write my unit reviews anymore, just directly add them to the tier list

[final wedge]

awwww

[coarse lake]

your tierlist is the most up to date guide on recent characters tbh

[coarse solstice]

Even reading through it all it's so much to retain

[umbral crown]

life hits hard

[spiral onyx]

Yeah but he dabs into PvP and still knows a lot more than the average player. Plus, good for content

[coarse lake]

that's the best up to date guide once someone has basics down

I think champ is too rng in the current state for a lot of ppl to take it seriously

[final wedge]

hmm ur right...for basic content...i think many players can refer to dat if he made one....but advanced one....not a chance

[coarse lake]

give it a few more seasons and interest prob falls off a cliff

get a single setup you like your odds of, keep running it hoping for good rng, then farm creds

[final wedge]

indepth analysis, strategy n countering in PVP is liek....

[knotty fern]

I'm not sure about team 4. I know rosanna is probably not enough to take out the dps but they do have 3 sg.

but then u have thelm probably enough to hold it out for moran?

[quick lake]

Do u know who is atker/defender

Top is atker, down is defender.

[knotty fern]

left attack right defend

or top atk down defend

on my cheer\

[quick lake]

Then im guessing right will win. T4 SG attack emilia, emilia dies, and BSoda nukes

[coarse lake]

Imma copy your name idea

[knotty fern]

Keripo test team 4 for me xd

[coarse lake]

right side wins t4 imo, sg pressure onto p5

but then again I'm the guy with the 0/3 cheer streak, so prob don't take cheer advice from me

[knotty fern]

my cheer has been 3/3 so far

this might be the closest one

[coarse lake]

I keep losing cheer on a single rng team

other other 4 I always call, just not the decider

my money's on right

[knotty fern]

this shocking for me cause u the pvp guy here

[coarse lake]

the comps ppl use too weird for me to have an accurate gauge on

[quick lake]

betting is 50% chance. Randomly guessing can bring u far enough

[merry agate]

Rheax what do you think? Left win team 3,4,5? (Left at the top btw?

[knotty fern]

must be nice on keripo's cheer board

just bet on him gauranteed credits

[coarse lake]

literally printing creds

[quick lake]

who atker/def

[merry agate]

Assuming left attacker

[coarse lake]

I need someone to only have win/lose cheers, but to also have skipped at least 1 cheer, so we know if you gotta cheer on all for the frames

[spiral onyx]

I'm actually only allowed to cheer on my own matchup

[coarse lake]

does someone have an alt they don't care much about that they can test

[quick lake]

L
R
???
L
R

Weirdo team 3 seems to be the deciding team. I'll guess left wins

[umbral crown]

thats the game giving you credits to upgrade gears

[swift mango]

So left will win.

[coarse lake]

probably yeah

[knotty fern]

Question about 3rl ein(two buff) vs cindy 2rl

[coarse lake]

maybe I just curse whoever I think will win

except keripo, I suppose he's immune to it

[knotty fern]

im not sure which one will win, cindy have delay nuke so does ein.

ein+blanc and redhood

will blanc make it on time bursting on ein?

[umbral crown]

ein team might not live

[hushed kelp]

Would be curious to see if CA coming out of beta season reduces rng at all in format, though i doubt it

[coarse lake]

it should, as ppl start making better comps instead of random stuff

although the random stuff if bad enough, is always easy lose vs a good team

if ppl start to settle into team archetypes, it should be easier to tell though, depends on how much ppl conform to the same few meta comps

[hushed kelp]

If everyone just runs meta it seems like it would just end up being rock paper scissors though

[coarse lake]

yeah, then cheering should be a lot easier

[hushed kelp]

Predictable yeah

[coarse lake]

oh wait, I think we're cheering on the same ppl, nana vs wizgrey?

yeah I think right wins 1, 4, 5, with 3 being rng I think, depends on misindom

that means I'll 1 cred cheer on left

[dim sapphire]

majority bet on right.

[dim sapphire]

cool we on same board

im curious how many brackets we have for ca

i would think 3 at least

[coarse lake]

a lot of brackets

[dim sapphire]

for NA

but i feel like theres only 3

[coarse lake]

64 sp brackets for every 1 ca bracket

[quick lake]

Very curious how many leagues there are

[swift mango]

Bet on Keripo in his final match. You could do it.

[coarse lake]

I can't, but maybe I can give someone advice on it

then somehow curse keripo to lose

[swift mango]

Advise doesn't count. Maybe hack @crystal flicker account to vote.

[crystal flicker]

Is SAnis pASSive tauntable?

[swift mango]

[fathom rock]

Dang

[swift mango]

Yes

Need 2 taunt

For both shots

[atomic wolf]

NA bracket is full of braindead whale

But since they are whale they get rewarded either way

[crystal flicker]

So this one gonna be a long match

[coarse lake]

who's the defender

[swift mango]

I remember you have an account with Keripo in your SpA? Right?

[crystal flicker]

No

[swift mango]

So is it then....

[crystal flicker]

Maybe other person

[swift mango]

I remember someone with many account around here but have 1 old bricked account with Keripo in his bracket.

[crystal flicker]

How can you tell whos atk and defend?

I have old brick, but the bracket leader is Momo

[coarse lake]

who's the left side of the cheer page

[crystal flicker]

Cindy the top team, SAnis the bottom

[quick lake]

Too atk, bottom defend, left attkac, right defend

[coarse lake]

then sanis probably triggers second invuln on rumani

I'd say sanis wins

[crystal flicker]

Thanks!

[atomic wolf]

hmmm

💀

Also I didnt realize that Noise is RL

[hushed kelp]

I wonder if the league battles count for battles won in CA for the frames

[unique mountain]

Blood also says t5 very close but he says would end up in favour of right , cause there is a good chance Indom not landed on SBS and Emi if Left attacking , i should skip betting on this ye?

[swift mango]

Left then, if if Indom on Centi or RH left could still win.

[unique mountain]

I ask if i should skip betting, not who winning

[atomic wolf]

no winner mentality

[spiral onyx]

With how CA currently is, there's no interactive game of rock paper scissors, only dice rolling. So the meta will be building teams that are strong against 2 of them (rock + paper) but loses against the third (scissors), then praying on the RNG matchups

[astral kayak]

if you not keen in the frame from betting mission, can skip lol

[eager mountain]

@tropic summit

exactly the reason why i secure c3 over c2 spot, as c2 is insane as always, now the other mf also malding gems, i can only cope for c4 spot and hopefully stays... nah

[unborn latch]

Did I make the right calls here?

[atomic wolf]

they have no real burst gen and will die top 16

[quick lake]

Team 2 top wins
Team 3 bottom wins

[crystal flicker]

between mirror of Blanc Emi RH, the top is Biscuitless, and the bottom has Biscuit, which one has better chance at winning?

[unborn latch]

why would team 2 top win there? wouldnt noah deflect eins burst?

[quick lake]

Ein has decent dmg over time. Feathers do post nuke dmg too

[eager mountain]

if t3 top is frames faster and rapun is alive shes gonna stun and win

and its faster at 2.5rl

[quick lake]

oh yeah. T3 is 2.5RL welps

Overall top should win ig

[unborn latch]

yeah I assumed t3 had a quantum in it

[eager mountain]

u should equip it in deck

[unborn latch]

yeah probably but sometimes weird changes like that influence my personal teams

like changing emelias cs% for one deck changes it for the others

so i dont try to tinker with it too much

thanks for the imput, appreciate it

[eager mountain]

didnt check other teams, p4 is leaning top winning cuz trina might simply dies before burst

[crystal flicker]

Which one?

I hate mirror ffs, it's harder to calc

[eager mountain]

if top blanc lives, then depends on gen frame cs to tell who wins indom fight

even if blanc getting second wave of immune shes prob still dead before indom expires

if bottom is defending, or bottom has good investment, top blanc should die before burst, leaning bottom ig

[crystal flicker]

Thanks!

[solemn matrix]

How do we get those 'team v. team #1-5' templates for gamba logistics?

[eager mountain]

unprotected 2.5ish p1 b2 might eat 3rl before burst so generally a really bad idea esp if iron weak, what makes it worse is that despite rh can back up to at least full burst, emi might live just long enough to burst and then dying the second she charges

[eager mountain]

https://nikke-deck.web.app/

[solemn matrix]

Thanks.

[eager mountain]

deck vs deck after building both side for 5v5

[dire root]

Yeah not sure.

FRGFF team has higher investment it looks like, so I assume they would win.

but it may just be up to RNG partly.

not sure.

[atomic wolf]

@solemn matrix same me too (i just got two R in a 60% mold SSR and I want to self harm)

[eager mountain]

if left bis can get 2nd immune right before she dies, left wins, else right

[dire root]

Round 3 may be a tie breaker to, this sucks

[eager mountain]

wait whos attacking

[dire root]

I don't know how CA attacking and defending works

[solemn matrix]

1/3 of the way there to get a Crow profile ID that shines. 🙏

[atomic wolf]

I'd kill myself before I get that shit

[eager mountain]

urawhat is attacking, humm maybe it doesnt matter which side is attacking

[raven plover]

https://tenor.com/view/legendary-battle-worthy-opponent-finally-a-worthy-opponent-our-battle-will-be-legendary-gif-14616660

[solemn matrix]

Did they answer on which side is the attacker/defender when it comes to shotgun targetting?

[dire root]

Using Alice as a B3 when you have red hood on the same team is odd to me.

I guess because she has higher investment on that team.

[raven plover]

top/left attacker, bottom/right defender. on cheer screen, left attacking right defend

[dire root]

What does attacking and defending change? Isn't it something about SMG nikke targeting.

[atomic wolf]

champion arena
looks inside
chess RNG

[raven plover]

SGs targeting like the usual. SG on atk aim p1, SG on def aim p5

[solemn matrix]

Should of let them go ham on spending gems to change their team line up before combat.

[dire root]

Oh I assumed they always hit P5.

[dire root]

Is that the only thing attacker/defender affects? SG target?

[raven plover]

SR targeting, its the other way around. on atk p5, on def p1

[wooden geode]

can Makima immune long enough to stall out Emilia burst? Or wait, isn't SBS bursting on team 2?

team 1 has to get blasted right? Shoving tons of SGs together doesn't seem great

[quick lake]

yes, team 1 should lose

[raven plover]

[wooden geode]

I assume t2 should win here as well?

Noah should stop a lot of SBS burst, but idk how good Moran and Bay def bonuses are worth

maybe just win power alone, just noticed how many max cores are on t2

[crystal flicker]

Smells like 4-1

I remove the 17% cs coz I have no data about that

Can't find their acc on Blabla

[eager mountain]

t2t3 top wins t1 not guranteed

[crystal flicker]

too slow to do anything t2

[eager mountain]

its 2rl

[crystal flicker]

feed?

[tropic summit]

ppl got too many gems to waste

[eager mountain]

jackel feed 7.1% or 10.65%, scar feeding scar will get the rest done, doesnt even need 2rl as long as rosa nuke before their scar, but its 2rl

[wooden geode]

which scarlet team wins? 2?

[tropic summit]

it's RNG on scarlet s2, although the one with jackal has better odds

as they'll have slightly better CS%

[eager mountain]

u know how much i hate those jp mfs now

[wooden geode]

and team 1 wins here? Although wait, Sanis kinda counters Noah right?

[quick lake]

Cindy wins

[wooden geode]

this one looked like an easy team 1 win to me

Idk then between this guys, seems like a toss up

[eager mountain]

sanis doesnt "counter" noah anyways
just that noah doesnt counter sanis like how she counters a lot of carries

[quick lake]

depends who is atk/def

[wooden geode]

how do I know?

[eager mountain]

rail can get a full time job by yapping here if this is true

[crystal flicker]

what about T3? I know ScarBS weak against Biscuit, but SAnis will get taunted too

[quick lake]

Rail should take commission in gems

[eager mountain]

@crystal flicker

[wooden geode]

#pvp-arena message

opinions on this match?

[quick lake]

cindy nukes

[quick lake]

I wouldnt mind being able to bet more matches, even if its winning arena tix

[tropic summit]

water code link ele weak because of helmT against s.anis on damage reduction and lifesteal

= better trading

[crystal flicker]

Though I kinda lean towards the bot, bcoz top is kinda faster and will lose Indom few milisecs b4 bot

[torn cove]

How is the voting done I just noticed I can't vote for people I watch now that it's top 8 is it like account age groups?

[eager mountain]

its pretty much the same despite top rh should make it a bit faster
but it wont really change the likehood of whos winning the indom fight by much since its rl vs rl, unless top rh has lots of cs line

[eager mountain]

this will be more likely to matter

[crystal flicker]

I'll send vids when result came out

[eager mountain]

either way both considerations leaning bottom

[quick lake]

A pair will be allocated for you to vote. We speculate that the groups are somewhat tied to account age, yes

[limpid nebula]

do i need a full shotgun team to activate the hit P5 first thing, or any team com, all shotgun nikke will hit P5 first (when attacking/defending), i think is the prior one?

[kind palm]

if cin highest atk rosanna remove her decoy right?

but the timing on enterB3 cin will get new decoy

[quick lake]

idk tbh. Cause her decoy isnt really a buff? I dont think it appears as an icon

To my knowledge, Rosanna dispels icons (at the bottom of the unit)

[oblique ridge]

It’s which side is defending or attacking. SGs on the side said to be defending, has a reverse target priority compared to the usual.

Usual: Left to right (p1 on left).
Reverse: Right to left (p5 on right).

I forget when it activates for snipers.

Also the directions I gave confuse even me (because Arena battleground flips teams around and make my head hurt)

I need a reminder And to stop forgetting this detail about when units hit p5 then downwards

[quick lake]

Dont have to worry about the flipping thingy. The only special cases are:
Defending SG attack P5
Attacking SR attacks P5

[oblique ridge]

I got that mostly right then, good

[spiral onyx]

Generally speaking, its advantageous to be on defence with the current CA rules.
SGs target P1 on attack and P5 on defence
SR target P5 on attack and P1 on defence
But SGs on average hit much harder than SRs and most people don't build teams that protect their P5. So building a SG defence team to snipe P5 is viable whereas building an SR attack team to snipe P5 is not. So by being on defence, you are both protected from SG teams as well as your own SG team is put at an advantage.

[limpid nebula]

but do i need full 5 SG to activate the defend hitting P5 thing, or just whenever defending all SG despite any team com will hit P5 first (e.g 4SG 1AR)

[quick lake]

Yes, as long u're defending, all SGs will hit P5 whether is it 2SG or 4SG or 5SG

[oblique ridge]

It’s individual. 5 SG is just a comp choice so that firepower is concentrated

[kind palm]

so if p5 die p4 won’t be that safe compared to p3 now in CA

[limpid nebula]

i seeee so trove fit in the SG team com despite not being a SG nikke

[kind palm]

[oblique ridge]

Idk the comps too well, I’m more of a foodie follower than a pvp chef

[coarse lake]

no, decoy is a sort of entity

[oblique ridge]

So don’t mind me but I’m like “wtf” when I heard Tove’s in pvp SG team

[final wedge]

i wish ppl do dis in CA tho....but its just too naive for me to think like dis lmao

[quick lake]

Hmmm, tove is still pretty bad. Not recommended. I just did the math for tove and she is not viable

[limpid nebula]

u must have pulled bready then

[coarse lake]

decoy actually becomes target for the dispel, and since decoy has no buffs, dispel does literally nothing

rosa cannot even dispel cindy's link to jackal

[final wedge]

5 SG is way too overkill and ppl realized dat in SPA already....so no1 in CA doin it

[limpid nebula]

alrights i dont have to wishlist her then : ) i just use other CDR

[kind palm]

tove requiring triple 5% rng kinda not worth the speed gain I think

[quick lake]

18% chance to hit 3 stacks within 3RL

[oblique ridge]

Yeah, most likely we’d see 2-3 SGs in comps

[quick lake]

tove copium not working

[final wedge]

where ur goin with Tove in PVP again?

[oblique ridge]

Though I did see a full 5 SGs comp

If it works for them in season 1 CA, it works. Idk about season 2

[limpid nebula]

but SG team the soda is essential for some form of CDR right?

[kind palm]

I built tove before sg team is viable in solo raid

[coarse lake]

3 sg is minimum, any lower and it's not really a sg comp, you don't have the killing power to dismantle a lot of comps

with the units we got rn, 4 is best imo

unless your 3 are so well built with high ele and right ele, then it's prob same result

[kind palm]

can lapT reliably kill noise if she got taunted before 2-3RL time?

[coarse lake]

lapt st pressure isn't there, and if defending, lapt doesn't contribute to killing since hitting completely different targets than your sgs

[quick lake]

Dmg for 1 shot

Probably have to also take into account ele/atk lines

[coarse lake]

that seems a bit low

my noir + unbuilt viper did more than that vs sr0/sr5 xmaiden

[quick lake]

Have to multiply by 4 to get dmg at 2RL

[coarse lake]

with 1 shot I mean

oh you're using 214%

[quick lake]

yeah

[coarse lake]

a lot of the good sgs are 231%

[sudden drift]

rail meme coin incoming

[quick lake]

Drake 214%

[near plank]

it depends on the SG

[coarse lake]

noir kinda makes up for her multi with the atk buff

[near plank]

some sgs have really high mult

but for clip i dont recall a strong one

[quick lake]

214 seems to be the median. BSdoa 230%, Noir 204%

Its just quik meth

[coarse lake]

sugar, maiden, bsoda are all 230

[quick lake]

But seems like 3SG with decent ele/atk should be able to kill 1 unit in 2RL

[near plank]

iirc theres an scarlet ar tier of sgs

[coarse lake]

sanis is higher than 230

[quick lake]

259%

[near plank]

yeah thats the one

[limpid nebula]

so all along i have a SG team unknowingly ...

[near plank]

uhm

[calm gull]

[coarse lake]

you need to achieve 1 kill in max 4 shots, with the rosa s2 lvl to hit 2rl for good setup imo

[quick lake]

[quick lake]

yeah exactly

[near plank]

srosa at 400 sync is kinda trash

even at high investment

[quick lake]

Time to roll Def% on my tanks

[near plank]

she doesnt shred like in uncap

specially with a lot of units now having sr 5-15 dolls

Sg only hitting p5 + srosa i dunno if its reliable enough

[spiral onyx]

Who owns nikke-deck.app?

[oblique ridge]

Looks like indeed need at least 4 SGs most of the time if you’re deliberately forming a “SG” comp, 3 if they’re strong or buffed.

Well, if trying to actually kill enemy p5 when defending.

Or if trying to kill enemy p1 if attacking.

[final wedge]

i think i can share my founding here for SG based on my recent match

[quick lake]

@lusty gull

[sudden drift]

cant blast off a nikke's leg in PVP

[near plank]

also Sg defending/ attacking stuff

its really weird lol

[quick lake]

Yeah. If u take into account Noah/Noise taunting away some unit. Attacks are no longer focused on P1 or P5

[final wedge]

This is me attacking and the opp is defending with quite possibly 4 invested SG unit

my rumani got 0 investment and Helm is fully invested gear n skills

[near plank]

hmm

[limpid nebula]

if SG defending hiting P5, then opponent Noise taunt at P1, now my SG will convert to hit P1,2,3,4,5? (reverse order)

[near plank]

im mainly talkiung about rheax team sg with rossa, for a pure sg team its kinda flimsy

[final wedge]

practically u could say 2 nikke may die if the SG teams doesnt meet a proper counter

[near plank]

this match up

[final wedge]

my Cindy team was set into 2 RL...funny enough the burst time almost the same with opp since my helm and rumani died fast

[near plank]

i say left wins

some people say right wins

[final wedge]

so....id say SG team got good advantage in most cases in CA

[near plank]

[quick lake]

Noise taunts P1 and P2.

So if the SG team is the defending team, assuming all SGs

P1 & 2 attacks P1 Noise (which taunted)
P345 attacks P5 as per normal defending targeting rules

[oblique ridge]

That’s a chaotic matchup because we don’t know if team SG will try to blow up Scarlet or Anis Though is the right side team always defending?

[final wedge]

ill use this refference of mine in the future when setting up team in CA...4 SG = 2 nikkek ded if no counter

[near plank]

we wont know till it shows result in a couple of hours

[quick lake]

That kinda looks like my match up

[boreal surge]

[limpid nebula]

oh right i didnt talk into account of the no. of taunted nikke, but for the P1 SG & P2 SG, both their attacking order now will be P1,2,3,4,5 reversed?

[near plank]

cause it is

some match ups right now is easy enough to guess,
but for this one im particularly interested cause i dont know who wins

ill still bet on left

[quick lake]

Im in the minority ~10% vote then

[near plank]

just prove us wrong

[quick lake]

Why would I not kill 100k CP Anis in 4 shots

[spiral onyx]

@lusty gull The current "Deck Versus Deck" layout is hard to parse and view, especially on mobile and especially since there's no "Share deck" functionality like on the "Nikke Deck" page.

Would you be willing to consider reordering the layout to something like this where its left deck vs right deck and with the deck names at the top? Or at least using this layout for the "Share deck" button so we can more easily share matchup data in Discord

[near plank]

yeah this is the weird part, i think you can do it but still die anyway

ive seen trina scar kill almost everything

and only 3 sgs

[quick lake]

Opponent optimistically is 2.5RL. If i kill Anis in 4 shots, I become 2RL

[near plank]

[spiral onyx]

Im also gonna add the site to the top of my pinned post. Its definitely much easier to use than any of the other burst gen spreadsheets

[near plank]

CA is in its initial phases lots of random ass teams so some fights are weird af,
make sure to record what happens in that match up

[final wedge]

holymoly...u made ur biscuit 17% CS?????

[quick lake]

Only worry is if I cant kill scar from nuke

[final wedge]

try put 1 more 17% see if it is 2RL....

[quick lake]

That doesnt work. 17% cs doesnt affect 2RL values

[mint swallow]

Help please who wins

[final wedge]

i kinda wish i play my 17% CS unit in this season....i was overthinkin my 2nd and 3rd comps...ended up with my 1st comps dat goes plain like rice

[spiral onyx]

Almost all my PvP RLs and SRs are 17% except offensive ones (e.g. Ein, Red Hood, Scalter, etc)

[quick lake]

@swift mango who wins

[boreal surge]

Actually star

[final wedge]

now i understand ur p1.....no wonder u put 3RL despite having all 17% CS

[near plank]

L
R
R
L
L
hmm

[mint swallow]

what is this

[near plank]

i guess people cant find patterns that easily
Left
Right
Right
Left
Left
left wins

[mint swallow]

o

[final wedge]

almost all blanc indom team i see is set with 3RL....making it too fast = opening up 1 more weakness against similar team but biggerRL

[quick lake]

yeah.. seems like left wins

[spiral onyx]

its still 3RL even with the 17%. I didn't properly optimize my teams around 17% cause that was a last minute thing... I spent 200 rocks the night of CA rolling lines for everyone lol

[near plank]

im not sure about team 5 fight as much

[quick lake]

Teams 2 and 3 should be left wins imo

[swift mango]

Maybe it's the right guy.

I could be wrong though.

[spiral onyx]

my Season 2 teams will properly take advantage of all the 17%s

[quick lake]

I hope right wins too

[lusty gull]

yes already plan to add share on deck versus deck
about the view on mobile, i like how it is rn
i also will add drag and drop px to px on deck view

[near plank]

rosa jackal link break no way?

[quick lake]

Weirdly ur 25% CS Emilia isnt utilised?

[mint swallow]

everyone is picking right lmao

[near plank]

jackal link cut / left gainst jackal feed, right no link

[final wedge]

LMAO 200 rocks dats like our modorotor rocks stock over 3 months farming...mine got too much thinkin in shadowfighting my own thoughts dat ended up not using the 17% CS advantage lol

[quick lake]

Right drake, should feed left team into 2RL i think. Havent put into the deck to calc

[spiral onyx]

My Emilia isn't 24.7%. I never actually pulled the trigger, was waiting on my final teams to see if it would have made a diff. It wouldn't have, so I just spent the rocks on 17%ing everyone else.

[final wedge]

same....once i got dat data about the trend for this CA....im setting up my 17% CS into good use

[near plank]

for team 3, crown bricks the burst gen left bursts first and wins

[spiral onyx]

I cooked without the assumption of 17%. I see 17% as a bonus, not a team comp requirement, not something to depend on for cooking

[near plank]

also no block vs noah

[quick lake]

Agreed left should win

[near plank]

oh wait, left shoud win

[quick lake]

ye

[near plank]

[quick lake]

Nonetheless I hope I am wrong and blood wins

[swift mango]

Why is it opposite of what I guess, down to the each fight result.

[near plank]

yeah i agree left wins 100%

[mint swallow]

ty ty i will bet my life savings on this

[quick lake]

I guess LLLRR

[swift mango]

[near plank]

i typed wrong

[swift mango]

Go for it bro

[near plank]

ez wins

[mint swallow]

nah im not gonna do that im gonna get cooked otherwise

[near plank]

havent losta bet yet,

[mint swallow]

how rich are you

[near plank]

in game

[spiral onyx]

Here's an accurate look at my current S1 teams for reference, with the cubes I have on. In the pic you'll notice three mistakes:

1. In T1, I underestimated the damage at lvl 400 synchro, Scarlet and Jackal should have worn Tempering cubes
2. In T4, Rumani should have been P1 tank instead of Trina. My Rumani was previously C3 so I used Trina as the tank but the day before CA I burned through all my blue tickets and got her to C7 but forgot to update my spreadsheet.
3. In T5, I misclicked Rapi Hood instead of Red Hood. Big oops

[final wedge]

ROFL LMAO dat 3rd mistake hahahahaha

[near plank]

bro has level 15 tempering?

[quick lake]

he does

[near plank]

[final wedge]

okay now i understand why Rapi Redhoood ROFL

[lunar dirge]

Try guessing who wins

[final wedge]

ive been wondering as well....why RRH

[spiral onyx]

lvl 14. Lvl 15 after this month's UR

[lunar dirge]

A mistaek

[swift mango]

I could win the 2nd easily had I didnt use DKW for CP pad and put XMaiden there instead like I initially did.

But 1st match I'm gonna win.

[final wedge]

goddamit...if a person dat expert like him make dat kind of mistake...what are the chance of pepega like me

[spiral onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/theyre-the-same-picture-the-office-pam-the-office-us-gif-20757621

[mint swallow]

is it left?

[quick lake]

2.5RL Helm nuke could work

[final wedge]

ill bear in mind based on ur case to not make the same mistake ...thx keripo

[lunar dirge]

For me right has more chances, but idk, it's ass

[spiral onyx]

There's been times where we used the wrong Privaty during UR lol. Someone used regular Privaty instead of Maid Privaty

[swift mango]

It's exactly 2rl.

[quick lake]

ohhhh opkay fair. I assumed it was 3RL cause i was just eyeballing it

[mint swallow]

wait for people that can do champions arena do they still gamble?

[quick lake]

Bad eyeballing

[quick lake]

yes, we gamble on our own matches

[swift mango]

[near plank]

L
R
its the same photo so RNG
L
R

its down to team 3

[quick lake]

Should have trusted urself more

[lunar dirge]

You sure left wins team 4 with helm bursting?

[near plank]

helm burst and sustain is insane

and it 1 shots the sustain team

[swift mango]

I should have trust my whale to not invest in his Emi enough.

[near plank]

sustain team needs all 5 to survive

if it was scarlet they survive

[lunar dirge]

And Moran Nero has 70% damage reduction, quiry and rapunzel

Even if helm or Nero dies, it's giod

[near plank]

8k% damage mult kills 4 people hp together

jackal link hit with helm burst all 3 die

[lunar dirge]

well, it only kills helm sadly, and quiry burst is insane leveled up

[lunar dirge]

You see Jackal link in team 4?

[near plank]

no thats an example of how much damage it does

it kills 3-4 units worth of hp

no damage reduction can block that, only immortality

and i dont know if moran / helm has higher atk in that team

[lunar dirge]

Once again, Nero and Moran will have 70% damage reduction, even if Nero or Moran dies, they still will tank till 2nd rotation

[near plank]

same for left but have 5 units alive into cindy burst

[spiral onyx]

Im pretty excited to try out my new CA cook for the next season though. Now that I know the rules, I can make a lot better teams and also take proper advantage of 17% CS. This is of course assuming we even get a Season 2 and the rules dont change

[lunar dirge]

Helm nuke targets their helm, it doesn't matter

[near plank]

with right having no damage

left also survives

[lunar dirge]

Biscuit will die from getting tapped eventually

[near plank]

all of those untis have sr dolls with helm heal

[solid flare]

what are the rules specifically?

[near plank]

just wait till the fight then

[quick lake]

What we have for this season. Set 1 team, then auto all the way

[spiral onyx]

No one knows for certain cause its not written out, but we can guess based on what we've seen

[final wedge]

im guessing the 3RL is blanc indom ....cuz of how easy it is to setup and fairly effective

[lunar dirge]

The point is, I'm not sure if Cindy nuke will kill them

[near plank]

that team also burst super late thats 4 rl vs 3rl

[eager mountain]

lightmode nikke deck still cursed

[near plank]

that team will be 4 vs 5

[mint swallow]

how is cindy so strong in arena lmao

[near plank]

and they wont be able to burst again to survive

[quick lake]

Big dmg

[eager mountain]

you keeping the pepper ssakura combo or nah

[near plank]

quiry is not a good unit compared to before

the damage ceiling now is too high

[spiral onyx]

Nice try, not sharing 😛

[eager mountain]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1177116972593463316/1333630505270382593/1026322546934698004.gif

[lunar dirge]

6% hp heal per second is good enough to keep everyone alive on top of rapunzel

Especially with all of DMG reduction this team has

[eager mountain]

wont throw books on ssakura even if u keep her anyways but it would be more tempting for sure

[near plank]

go bet right

max bet

[eager mountain]

tho im waiting for 2.5 anni news before attempting to prep for next ca

[near plank]

[lunar dirge]

Already did

[solid flare]

oh look crazy pvp enjoyer made it to top8

[near plank]

you think 6% hp is per second is good?

[quick lake]

What is this quiry slander

[atomic wolf]

more like subhuman troglodyte

[near plank]

helm is a better quiry heal and also kills someone at the same time

[atomic wolf]

he runs nero on his team 2 no way you lose to that ape ngl

[solid flare]

i dont hit more than 2x a day im down here because that guys is willing to spend 700+rocks per season to keep their position

[swift mango]

It was a mistake putting XMaiden team 5 instead of Drake. I was too tired when I made my 5 team and decided on Drake for Scarlet team it because Drake has more CP than XMaiden.

I could have burst with Emi in the 5th team and put Drake p5 there... Would be much better.

[atomic wolf]

still, just saying

hodl on i need to check if blood blocked me

yep alright he ignored me

[eager mountain]

God I’m starting to feel bad at nik dying in CA

[atomic wolf]

gg

[summer copper]

They don’t die, they just pretend to for good sportsmanship

[spiral onyx]

Champion Arena Rules

(According to what I've observed so far)

1. Top 4 of each Special Arena server qualify for Champion Arena. Qualifiers will be put into a server of 64 groups of 4 (256 players). There are multiple servers depending on the region's population, so there will be multiple "Champions". We are not sure on the logic for what server you are placed in and how the groups are determined.
2. You set your 5 teams one day before CA starts. After setting it, the teams are snapshotted - if you want to change cubes, do upgrades, etc. you need to re-submit the teams. After CA starts, teams cannot be changed. The snapshots will be used for the entirety of CA.
3. All units are synchro locked to lvl 400, but CP gain from gear/recycling/skill levels/OLs/dolls/etc. all do apply. CP penalty, however, does not apply. This means you should focus on building strong team comps with properly invested units rather than try to just CP pad.
4. Your 5 teams will be used for both attack and defence. In League, we are not sure the criteria for who is picked for attack vs defence. In Promotion, the left/top player in the UI is the attacker and the right/bottom player is the defender.
5. The winner of each matchup is the one who wins the most rounds out of 5. So you only need to win 3 rounds to win the match. In League, supposedly if there's a tie the player with the higher round win count proceeds, but this is currently bugged.
6. Replays of your own rounds can be viewed in League. You cannot view replays of other players' rounds in League, only the final matchup win/lose count and their team comps. In Promotion and Champion, you can view replays of ALL matches. Once the next stage has been unlocked, however, the previous stage's replays become inaccessible. You can only view information about your own server. There is no way to see the results of different servers other than asking other players in Discord or seeing the final rankings at the end of each season.
7. In Promotion and Champion, you can Cheer for one matchup and bid up to 12hrs worth of Outpost credit for the winner. Cheer payouts are individualized, not pot, but you can see what others cheered for anyways. Active participants can only cheer for their own matchup. Eliminated or non-active participants will be (randomly?) assigned a matchup to cheer on.

[atomic wolf]

whoever was in charge of designing CA has to be strike down by corporate liquidator

[eager mountain]

oh dear non spa top 4 cant even cheer

[lunar dirge]

10% with Rapunzel, on top of 70% dr

[quick lake]

Non top 4 still can cheer i think?

[final wedge]

man....im still doing my research on how to trigger Rapunzel stun with 2RL team in this CA....i dont have enuf info nor video....

[lucid zenith]

Non-participants can still cheer definitely

[eager mountain]

hum keripo got misinfo'd ig

[final wedge]

im sure if 2RL rapunzel stun can trigger it can win 100%

[near plank]

those Dr numbers are usless compared to raw damage,
its not damage immunity
these numbers kill 5 nikkes worth of HP by themselves

[quick lake]

Hard to control because u wont know whether SGs target P1 or P5

[near plank]

you can block 70% of 12398671287369817263 damage
but still die

[atomic wolf]

?

[quick lake]

Invested stall teams can and should tank Cindy nuke perfectly

[atomic wolf]

there's like 800 people who actively talks here still cheer CA regularly

[spiral onyx]

Looks like I was told misinformation. Corrected, thanks

[atomic wolf]

who told you this shit

[final wedge]

i need the information how much enhancement i need to put into her so i can have the highest probability with most common scenario

[near plank]

i havent seen a single non noah team block cindy

[spiral onyx]

I personally can only cheer for my own matches, so its pretty simple for me

[near plank]

flexing

[quick lake]

Alot of Nero Moran has won against Cindy matchups

I think its the team with thehighest win rate imo

[near plank]

show me

[quick lake]

yep, lemme record and send

[near plank]

all nero and moran teams i ve seen get clapped

i dont see ANY of them in current CA

[spiral onyx]

I feel like all Scarlet Jackal Trina teams win

since they're probably also all 2RL

[near plank]

2 rl vs 4rl

i rechecked al lthe teams

its moran biscuit sanis
thats competitive

[final wedge]

who puts 4RL in CA?

[near plank]

not moran quiry or any of that meme teams

[atomic wolf]

you would be surprised, the homeless people

[near plank]

and some guy is a die hard defender of this team

in my top 8 CA its like what i said

biscuit moran sanis is the top team with moran

[spiral onyx]

I wonder where they got that team from...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mh2BMx8xsn4

[near plank]

not nero moran randomness

[near plank]

meme vid

against scarlet sure

not against cindy

[final wedge]

LMFAO i pretty sure i read the warning dat this vid is tested on lvl.500+ above and not 500 below

[spiral onyx]

It can still survive against Cindy

[tropic summit]

ignorance is a bliss

[near plank]

scarlet damage is

vs 13k% cindy

[quick lake]

Sedning

[spiral onyx]

if you're max invested

with dolls and tempering on everyone

[tropic summit]

let people remain ignorant of damage reduction stacking

[near plank]

skill % for everyone

[tropic summit]

the realization will be even better when they finally deal with it

[quick lake]

This stall team also win some 180k CP Cindy

loadingggg

[sudden drift]

unless ros in the mix. spanked me good

[spiral onyx]

I mean, Im never gonna run this in real arena lol, it was a showcase meme

especially not in CA cause of the lvl 400 synchro

[quick lake]

@near plank u can argue that my cindy weak (kind off), but generally this is how it works

I think Merry or Rail has better vids

[near plank]

not the same team,

noah bisc guarantees stall til lcindy burst

[spiral onyx]

lmao you got Quiry meme'd

[near plank]

4 targets for 13k% = win

[quick lake]

Indeed I was

[spiral onyx]

Time to enroll in Quiry's Perfect Math Class

[near plank]

whats your cindy stats?

[quick lake]

70ele 20atk. Mid cindy

[near plank]

not against the exact same team, but all cindy match ups in my CA bracket cindy wins

everything dies excluding moran

[quick lake]

Yep. U need Moran Nero Rapun Quiry Helm exactly

My league has quite a few ppl with this exact same team surprisingly

[near plank]

baited by keripo

[quick lake]

[eager mountain]

keripo running moran sanis bis tho

[near plank]

thats exactly what im saying

its far better lol

[spiral onyx]

Moran Biscuit SAnis is a fixed setup, just like Scarlet Jackal

[eager mountain]

a jp ppl said that nero moran is the most used team in their top 64

[quick lake]

Moran Biscuit SAnis gets countered by Jackal. But arguably still a very strong archetye

[quick lake]

Yeah, in my league, I think its very very popular

[tropic summit]

china is running the same even in top 8 in my bracket

[quick lake]

same

[tropic summit]

there's a reason damage reduction stacking works

[near plank]

china nikke out?

[quick lake]

CN peeps playing nikke now

[eager mountain]

they always been in jp anyways

[near plank]

CN got CA arena day 1

[tropic summit]

china is in every server

[eager mountain]

since chinese related server started after jp

and now a mainland cn server

[quick lake]

CN nikke gives up booba for better loading speeds

[near plank]

i have quiry and used here before, shes just so so

specially that helm got dropped

i aint gonna invest in nero.quiry to make that team an option

and people in my bracket made the same decision

just use moran sanis biscuit more versatile units and move on

[eager mountain]

yeah

dont have enough books for 2.5 anni unless they finally gives us reset after half a damn year

they are giving out some books recently but thats not gonna help building both 2.5 and CA

[tropic summit]

CA isn't gonna run away anyway

take ur time, build ur stuff and then attempt it when u ready

until then, yolo it with w/e is available

[eager mountain]

nah im tramutized

the other gemming mf from my spa got top 8

[tropic summit]

[eager mountain]

and i have to cheer him or another

and the others team and matchup is worse

tf do i do, cheer for that mf?

https://tenor.com/view/sour-lemon-poputepipikku-lick-pop-team-epic-gif-16566362

[near plank]

if he wins why not

get EZ credits

[eager mountain]

f him

[tropic summit]

you're not cheering for him, you're using him to make money

it's purely business

make bank

[eager mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/dies-of-cringe-cringe-gif-20747133

[near plank]

https://tenor.com/view/kanna-pay-money-gif-24746936

[rich quail]

bizness

It’s only bizness

https://tenor.com/view/josh-osuna-baby-jah-gif-23706027

[eager mountain]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/946720097031045161/1246967502919958528/GIF_20240602_225244_708.gif

[eager mountain]

that mf has 15%+ cs on most rl, also really good ol lines in general

wont be surprised if he won the whole thing

id need another 690 rocks to catch up with his builds

[rich quail]

https://tenor.com/view/gif1-gif-19177378

[rich quail]

x 10

[eager mountain]

just realized i didnt for a while

[rich quail]

Don’t worry, friends

[eager mountain]

guess my mood was ruined

[rich quail]

Shifty Up will save us all

[quick lake]

200++

[rich quail]

Shifty Up will airdrop us much-needed mats to finally compete

And they will also give us all a unicorn each to ride on

Wait… that was my dream last night

never mind

Shifty Up is giving us nuffin

[eager mountain]

they did give 2 or 3 books

[rich quail]

I like reading books

Especially propaganda

[eager mountain]

at least the propaganda content is less then everything around the internet

wish i can sit down and read books

[rich quail]

“How We Won The War and Swindled Earned 1 Billion Dollars: The Way To Build a Financial Empire (Which You Can’t Emulate Because We Are Too Greatness 4 U)”

by Shifty Up Incorporated

[eager mountain]

still less propaganda then scrolling social media

[rich quail]

schmaybe

[eager mountain]

unfortunately

[vapid lake]

? why pvp channel become schizo channel

[rich quail]

The only schizos in pvp are the gemmers in my SP Arena group

[tropic summit]

dunno about the others, but i try to retain common sense

that's why i forsake sleep to hit my whale at midnight

[rich quail]

When is reset time for you?

[tropic summit]

22:00 on CEST, 21:00 on CET

[rich quail]

Mine is 5am

That’s not too bad at all

Dudes snipe at 3am in my group… it’s crazy

[tropic summit]

it's good to be young

[rich quail]

Stay up til the sun rises

Sleep 10+ hours

[tropic summit]

especially during highschool/uni, had the most weird schedules

sleep at 3AM, wake up at 7AM

infinite energy does that to a mf

[rich quail]

sometimes all-nighters

[kind palm]

nah that’s normal

[tropic summit]

[rich quail]

Energy drinks

[kind palm]

getting to wfh means I get to wake up a bit later

[tropic summit]

oh ye smartwork abuse all the way

no travelling time costs

no having to eat lunch with colleagues

breaks more meaningful

can work from the bed

no dress code, work in underwear

[kind palm]

kinda glad I got the kind of job that can mostly wfh

[tropic summit]

agreed

[atomic wolf]

wym now they're in NA EU and JP

[tropic summit]

the other one is an hobby and should remain an hobby

also because it's unpaid

1. finish your campaign team
2. finish your kraken team
3. wait to see how siren is
4. build moran
5. wait for nero and quiry

[calm gull]

pve is difficult when youre crownless sir.

[quick lake]

Ideal stall team needs 17% on Helm Quiry and Rapun

[tropic summit]

skill issue, should've rolled harder

[quick lake]

Stinky stall teams wins 2RL Noah Cindy and scar trina too

[tropic summit]

indeed, rather recommend nero moran helmt variant, with flex or possibility to add biscuit

@spare brook

[calm gull]

vice versa they will also the enemy can also choose who to defend against

[tropic summit]

you can do that, up to you

any team that is 2.5RL or 3RL can run bay in p4 as anti nuke

#pvp-arena message

[calm gull]

meme team

quiry burst? I thought shes there just for the skill passives

[quick lake]

That’s the “standard” stall team currently. Other variations not tested/seen often enough

Quiry + Rapun gives 22% more HP as passive, so them being tgt is quite good

[calm gull]

good against scarlet for sure but...
idk about sbs or cindy

[quick lake]

Wins both

[tropic summit]

again, ppl are really oblivious uh

[quick lake]

At equal high investment, stall team should win imo

[calm gull]

[tropic summit]

the only detrimental thing of stall teams is the investiment needed

high temperance, CS%, max doll, generally max skills

it's a resource sink

[calm gull]

thought so

[tropic summit]

as long as you don't brick yourself

start small with moran then you can worry about nero and the others

as moran can be already used on her own

nero gonna need max invest

[vapid lake]

Bros gonna brick his account by investing in moran and nero before campaign

🫵

[worthy knoll]

She was already like that for me since Nero released.. the same when Moran was release.. it was fine against SAnis before but prolly not enough if its RH buff and such since there was no true 100% back then.. then doll and tempura cube came. Nero was back in action

[calm gull]

I would like to do that but, at the moment my bracket is just full of cp padded people

[tulip quest]

She is costly Unless your LOVE Her that much go invnest

[tropic summit]

Nekomata about to

[calm gull]

its for future him to worry about

[sudden drift]

you must have tetra mfg gear out the azz to consider these teams

[tropic summit]

except you're jing woo from s1 first episodes

[tulip quest]

but 2.5 coming man and most likely 2 PILGRIMS TO GEAR

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cope-cursed-gif-25667684

What if 2 ARE RL

[tropic summit]

[peak jungle]

am I winning

[tulip quest]

No I think cause cindy on P2

[calm gull]

put biscuit on p2

[vapid lake]

RL doesnt mean automatically good for pvp

[tulip quest]

Ur prolly 2.5 or 3rl and he becomes 1.5 RL instead of 2

[tulip quest]

If clip ya if not then NO but more hope for RL than Machinegun for sure

Like because of Jackal people made a Feed chart LOL Because of 1 pvp character feed CHART WAS MADE

[sudden drift]

Dolls is one thing… gear for Moran rumani Nero anis etc

https://tenor.com/view/dis-belief-surprised-oh-gif-10085527

[tulip quest]

NOT THE Doll the Materials to upgrade the doll if you Build Merry but won't stop you tho your Waifu your Laifu

[quick lake]

The idea behind the HP boost is to increase Nero/Moran/Rapun tankiness to survive nukes

But u dont need additional buffs for cindy. Its about being tanky, not increasing dmg

[atomic wolf]

i take back everything good i say about this guy

he hits my top 2 and did not ping me so i get on top 3

[tropic summit]

noise flex flex bay flex
moran flex flex bay flex
nero moran helm flex flex
noise flex flex bay rapu
...
just combo damage reduction with sustain

HP increase with healing such as noise combos well with damage reduction team wide

aim for 2.5RL (CS%) or 3RL, any slower and you're doomed to begin with

[swift mango]

Win, but Team 1 only.

[atomic wolf]

actually nvm he's not using discord most of the time whatever i guess

[sudden drift]

kinda silly question to be asking this late in the game but what's Thelm's best OL lines? is her base charge speed ok to aim for the other standard lines (attack, ele, ammo)

or another 17%er

[lunar dirge]

Feed chart bar, the reason for it because 3,55% for 10 shots is pretty significant

[lunar dirge]

he can always do my teams,but I don't feel like sharing ngl

[lunar dirge]

Depends on where your want to use her

pvx helm is ready expensive

[tropic summit]

enough atk% to not steal link or indom
CS17%
rest can be ammo or ele atk

[lunar dirge]

So it's either PvE or pvp

[sudden drift]

so the answer is PVP need charge speed then

[lunar dirge]

ah yes, 17% cs, the fatherless behaviour of all nikke players moment

[pale knoll]

I aint got a single 17%

[tropic summit]

only for sweaty

[sudden drift]

but even so, in PVE she's offburst so you';re not going to spam her, right

[lunar dirge]

for gays like you

[pale knoll]

[lunar dirge]

Nope, she's water weak dps who bursts

On water weak*

[atomic wolf]

17% charge speed god forbid you roll that line for alice instead

[peak jungle]

Team2 has chance, scar die right before her burst

[tropic summit]

it wasn't me who asked a D. picture tho

[vapid lake]

Damn flex is a very strong nikke, how do i get her

[sudden drift]

thats at 10/10/10... rn my water ele DPS are still quency and lewd

[tropic summit]

roll for flex

[lunar dirge]

hey, munch was the one who dm'd them, I asked for proof of those dm's

conclusion:Munch's gay af

[tropic summit]

[atomic wolf]

check pvp team

3/5 of them are flex

how do you even run this flex nikke in all tthat team

mf got clonejutsu

[sudden drift]

my question with respect to PVP is whether slapping on an adjucant to Thelm is sufficient for PVP. or kleep rolling for CS

[tropic summit]

if adjutant gets you on or above 17% sure, else could run anything on her really

[atomic wolf]

do you not run quantum for that shit?

[sudden drift]

[lunar dirge]

10/10/8 helm at 30% ele vs 80% ele xlud

[tropic summit]

vigor for extra healing or getting her above target indom unit
temperance if you want extra tankiness
resil/bastion/ for stats
...
etc

[tropic summit]

now do the same with QEQ

so i can know which of the two to even wonder investing on

[lunar dirge]

No misilis gear to invest in her+imagine actually investing in water dps

[tropic summit]

ikr

water code forever benched

[lunar dirge]

water code is actually strong due to the amount of dps

[tropic summit]

then again with siren around the corner... maybe it's finally the urn

[lunar dirge]

But no one will build allat shit

[sudden drift]

meanwhile we've had how many water units come out in the past month?

[lunar dirge]

Maids, bready, crust

it's already strong at full potential

[tropic summit]

only got anchor, maid mast in wishlist, bready skipped, siren unknown

[lunar dirge]

🫵

[tropic summit]

my water raids are neutral raids

[sudden drift]

trade you. maid mast (who i pulled for the jiggles) is now haunting me so i had to take her off wishlist. poor anchor still only one copy

the one that could actually be semi-useful in PVP

[lunar dirge]

did 8,3b this raid, chilling till siren releass

[limpid nebula]

save gems to all in pull on pilgram banners or other higher rate event banners?

[swift mango]

19% deficit you won't make it

[peak jungle]

[merry agate]

Railtracer help me with this. Left win?

[jagged mesa]

guys, does liter or modernia have higher burst gen in arena

[quick lake]

both sucks

[jagged mesa]

i know that but which one sucks less

nvm liter sucks way more

heres another question, in ppv would you rather have red hood or naga use b2

[strong hull]

Its about tactics

[jagged mesa]

and before you question it, cut me some slack im missing a lot of pvp units but im hanging in top 3 SPA, and i wanna stay here

[summer copper]

if you're top 3 and asking about Liter or Modernia then you probably don't need to try that hard

so yeah, relax and play around a bit

[jagged mesa]

bruh

i can never ask a valid question here without getting ridiculed because i dont have the fortune of having good units

im only top 3 because i keep manually shuffling my teams and doing the best i can

if i didnt "try" i wouldnt be top 3

[quick lake]

Liter generally better because she acts as a B1 buffer. Avoid Mod cause she feeds alot

[jagged mesa]

not to mention playing around a bit is also just sharing ideas and theorycrafting to the best i can with my account

[summer copper]

k

[jagged mesa]

true on the feeding, but mod also generates about 2x the burst (less when accounting the short burst cycle and windup)

how is that arguing

i said true, and also said mod does generate more

my quesiton was specifically which unit has higher burst gen, and i tested and found out myself, then i accepted that rhea also said that mod feeds more

you're being antagonistic for no reason

yeah exactly

[quick lake]

The burst gen values on the sheet already accounts for the winding up

[jagged mesa]

i was actually just looking for the sheet, i found it somewhere before but i cant find it right now

[wanton island]

mornin fellas

[quick lake]

Mod generally isnt good because her offburst dmg is mid, and she doesnt do anything

[jagged mesa]

bro why cant i discuss the game in pvp-arena discussion

what's wrong with you for real

[quick lake]

https://nikke-deck.web.app

[jagged mesa]

thanks

[quick lake]

This too
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JUiiuHysG3vlWRPVx_wT6zUwkc5Ob9n8G0azCbuwlA8/edit?gid=0#gid=0

[jagged mesa]

i also saw a jp(?) google sheet or twitter picture of a google sheet with burst gen values a little while back

updated for trina release

[quick lake]

All the sheets are updated

If u want i can send u the jp sheet

[jagged mesa]

nah this helps already

due to lack of units im just trying to make a rush team 3 for SPA that isn't completely cp gapped

[quick lake]

Yeah, team 3 can just be an auto high cp team

[jagged mesa]

i tried that but im so overinvested in mg units that i watched my replay, and it never bursted at all 😂

[wanton island]

my team 3 is always cp gapped to hell

[jagged mesa]

my "team 3" is always shuffled around to face their strongest team so i can just coast to a win against the other 2

[wanton island]

yeah. thats a good way to do it. only issue is they will use it against you in defense

just make your team 3 less sucky

[jagged mesa]

yeah thats what im trying to do atm

[wanton island]

i need to do the same

[jagged mesa]

no choice until i manage to pull jackal noah rumani etc.

[wanton island]

what is your sync level?

[jagged mesa]

240

[wanton island]

f2p?

[jagged mesa]

i just want to maintain my spot because hime is 24 sync levels ahead of me, and rank 2 is also 10 sync levels ahead

and yeah f2p besides the new commander recruit i did at start

[wanton island]

10 sync levels isnt all that different ime. #1 on my server is 10 sync levels below me and beats me in cp

[jagged mesa]

yeah the 10 sync levels is not bad, i just need some units

hime at 24 sync levels, good pvp knowledge and units as well though, im not catching up

[wanton island]

sounds like hime isnt f2p either

just hang out in here. youll learn some stuff. lot of knowledgeable players. they even get down to frames and why certain bugs happen

[jagged mesa]

yeah ive been around for a bit

i dont know what all that was about earlier though

[wanton island]

rheax convinced me to build cindy. (im glad i did)

[jagged mesa]

my cindy is somewhat built, so im trying to base my team 3 around her

[wanton island]

the burst chart?

[jagged mesa]

no before that

nvm water under the bridge, its all good

[wanton island]

cindy is in my noah team

i think you said youre missing characters for pvp

[jagged mesa]

yeah and also my doll luck has been abysmal on this account, my other account with the same creation date has 6 SR15, this account has 2 only because i pitied a lot, so im also not even close to getting Thelm

maybe in a couple of months i can save my pvp teams

[jagged mesa]

oh nvm other person deleted their messages, i just noticed when i scrolled up

[wanton island]

i only have time for my one account. not sure how you guys handle multiple

especially if youre pushing campaign

[jagged mesa]

i pushed both my accounts to mirror container

[wanton island]

damn. at 240 synchro?

[jagged mesa]

yes but im gonna be stuck for a long time

[calm gull]

my alt also at 241 on mc

need to build a good ein

[jagged mesa]

my other account is cooked, its also at mc but no ein, no cindy, no crown

[calm gull]

[jagged mesa]

it got here with rrh grave rh alice mod

sooo.... yeah

[calm gull]

no electric on mc is so joever

[jagged mesa]

yeah unfortunately...

[wanton island]

ein easy modes mc?

[jagged mesa]

maybe i have to do scarlet + trina

[wanton island]

dont. i tried

and i used scarlet trina all the way to mc

[calm gull]

thankfully I my Ein ol was fixed

[jagged mesa]

wait a second, that's hard mode 😒

[calm gull]

yeah on main, my alt is at normal mc

[jagged mesa]

what cp do you think you'll need to sneak by

[wanton island]

they say 350 but i caught some stating it can be done at 310

[calm gull]

my current cp, but I need fix ein to clear

[jagged mesa]

what is it? i need reference because im 294k with cindy

[placid bloom]

310k needs Ein, no Ein usually needs close to 330k

[calm gull]

I'm at 241 sync, 323k cp.
grave rapi RH Cindy Helm(T)

Need to fix ein to clear unfortunately no mats and rocks

[jagged mesa]

wait i guess ein is actually preferable over cindy for MC

[placid bloom]

You just barely get enough Atk to crack slippers around that point

[jagged mesa]

damn

[calm gull]

Ein & Cindy

for crownless (like me) may struggle with 2nd phase without ein

[wanton island]

if you can break a slipper, you technically can beat it

[placid bloom]

And deal enough damage before shields come up because you will time out even if you can break them

[jagged mesa]

i tried with full burst alice charged slot and cover for everyone else, no luck damaging slipper at 308k cp

[wanton island]

i broke one at 320k

not ideal team though

[calm gull]

yes also need high atk

RH Rapi give smaller atk buff compared to liter

[jagged mesa]

i was just thinking this

[wanton island]

my issue is liter is 20k below rrh

drops me down to 290k

[jagged mesa]

since i just pulled RH this week, im thinking i build up RH and run RH cindy. RH b1 for first slipper, and the rest should be doable with RRH b1?

[wanton island]

who kills 2nd slipper?

[placid bloom]

Cindy needs to crit to break 2nd slipper if it’s Rapi B1

[jagged mesa]

RH to break slippers not cindy

[placid bloom]

You will be short without critting

RH cannot break 2 slippers in a row, she has no Atk steroid when it’s not her burst rotation

[calm gull]

right thats why I'm stuck

[jagged mesa]

hmm true

[placid bloom]

So if she breaks #1 she cannot break #2

[calm gull]

my RH is cracked but still cant break slippers

[placid bloom]

You just crit fish with Cinderella

But she can break 3 and 4 without crit

[calm gull]

idk I may have bad Cinderella OL but she cant break slippers

[jagged mesa]

at this rate mc might be a bigger wall for me than MW

[wanton island]

ive seen sbs break slipper

[placid bloom]

SBS can but then you probably have no elec for QTE if you use RH SBS

[jagged mesa]

i hope this is true because SBS is my strongest unit

[placid bloom]

Your damage overall also low

[jagged mesa]

how much cp would i need to break QTE with naga alone

[placid bloom]

A lot

[wanton island]

ive seen her break qte with 65k

[swift mango]

How about red hood?

[placid bloom]

Her aim is bad lol

[calm gull]

wait, I thought this is team building

[jagged mesa]

got distracted

[placid bloom]

[calm gull]

I wonder why there's 5s cooldown

[swift mango]

[calm gull]

turns out this pvp

[swift mango]

And I thought question was arena few hours ago

[wanton island]

talking about slipper 2

[swift mango]

[swift mango]

But what about RH?

[calm gull]

question is just a mix of 3 channels, off topic, team building, and pvp in a nutshell

[wanton island]

rh no slipper 2

[swift mango]

Why RH can't one shot slipper but SBS can?

[calm gull]

no atk amp on rh

[wanton island]

rh already got slipper 1

[placid bloom]

RH can

[calm gull]

phase 1 slippers are easy to break

[jagged mesa]

whats the time gap between slipper 1, 2, 3, and 4?

[calm gull]

phase 2 however

[placid bloom]

Like 15 sec

[swift mango]

If you burst 3 with RH she has ATK %. Same thing to SBS. If you don't she doesn't

[wanton island]

yeah. its faster than rh cd

[swift mango]

[wanton island]

rh is in timeout after slipper 1

[jagged mesa]

what if i somehow trigger RRH's attachment explosion for slipper 2

[placid bloom]

Nope

[jagged mesa]

lmao

[wanton island]

double dose of copium for you

[calm gull]

on my case she cant break 2nd phase slippers, RH B1 onto RH B3 can tho.
but anything else is

[swift mango]

Then what about SBS? Won't she time out?

[wanton island]

sbs waiting for b3

[placid bloom]

You are alternating

But like I said, no elec

Unless your Naga strong enough to clear QTE

[wanton island]

elec matters for phase 2 slippers?

[swift mango]

What about HelmT?

[placid bloom]

Helm gonna need you to be blue CP, she got no Atk steroid

[wanton island]

sounds like rh and ein is the best setup

[swift mango]

You don't need to break slipper if you are blue.

[calm gull]

grave / rapi / RH / Cinderella / Helm(T)

is my team, I may try liter but she's 6 4 6.

[placid bloom]

You’d be surprised

[jagged mesa]

i got it

slot 5, xmaiden

[swift mango]

I beat MC normal near blue without breaking a thing.

And that was without HelmT or Naga.

Or anyway healing for that matter.

Ofc only Elec unit was Scarlet

[jagged mesa]

new pilgrim electric MC counter
definitely not copium

[swift mango]

Cindy exist

[jagged mesa]

they just said that cindy has a hard time breaking slipper 2

[swift mango]

You don't need to break a thing if you blue it.

[wanton island]

my cindy cant even break qte without burst

she misses

[jagged mesa]

ok ill hit you up in a year

[calm gull]

that cp wont get you anywhere

[swift mango]

I beat it near blue like 6-7 months in.

[jagged mesa]

sadly

its what i get for pushing as hard as i possibly could

thats why im now working on a third account jsut for something to do

[calm gull]

build Ein

[placid bloom]

I think it just depends, I broke 2nd slipper at around 328k with Cinderella + Rapi B1 but I think I had 3 Atk line. Should be doable a bit earlier with Liter

I think I probably coulda done a bit earlier too but I was lazy to mald

[jagged mesa]

i could but i have a brand new shiny RH... and new pilgrim in 2 weeks...

[calm gull]

you forgot to mention crown

[swift mango]

Lowest CP all time was 270k last I was at that boss I think.