pvp-arena

[oblique ridge]

Team Helm will win if she isn’t taunted

[umbral belfry]

It does, but even if it doesn't bay should eat scar's nuke no?

[late tiger]

__
need suggestions for my team (exact order) - rank 3, lvl 551:

Scarlet/Trina/Helm*/Rosana/Jackal (2RL)
Noise/Cindy/Noah/Biscuit/Laplace* (3RL)
Blanc/Emilia/Centi/Drake/RH (2.5RL)

*Drake can be replaced with Rapunzel for survivability

what can i change for a better comb?

[oblique ridge]

Unless, her highest ATK burst nuke doesn’t care about taunt. Then it’s gg no matter what

[cedar orbit]

Bay eats Scarlet nuke, but then what? Scarlet just kills them all

[umbral belfry]

True, but I still think helmt's burst kills scar + link

[oblique ridge]

Am I missing something, because, what was shown to happen here is Helm nuke will blow up Scarlet, Jackal, and whoever else was linked to them

[cedar orbit]

Blanc will indom Scarlet

[oblique ridge]

It’s basically a triple KO because of how powerful Helm nuke is against a Nikke (just so much damage scaling)

Indom doesn’t make them invulnerable

[pastel owl]

laplace could survive long enough with lifesteal

[oblique ridge]

They still take damage, so at a minimum Scarlet linked buddies are dead

[umbral belfry]

Yeah I still think right side

[cold steeple]

Anyone from Asia server

[oblique ridge]

Main way I’d be wrong, I think, is if somehow Helm’s nuke was too weak to kill Jackal and the other link buddy

[cedar orbit]

wish bro just made a 5th team instead, so I could avoid that RNG fight

[covert lintel]

top win

[limpid nebula]

Right side, for this wont it indom on moran instead on anis? seems like moran cant die at P1

[oblique ridge]

I doubt it because 8,000%+, but I say this because there is no one buffing Helm dmg

[umbral belfry]

Their helm looks p invested

oh wait that's @coarse solstice lmao

[unique wagon]

Possibly but not necessarily

[cold steeple]

Ok I’m getting the free credits hehe

[limpid nebula]

my head hurts trying to figure out who wins lmao

[oblique ridge]

Depends, does seem like Moran will be indomitable’d. This kind of situation is unpredictable because it depends on enemy damage and targeting

[covert lintel]

do you have a reason why you choose wawa to cheer?

[lunar dirge]

@tropic summit @fathom rock gl guessing THIS

[cold steeple]

At first I saw the cp gap but after I pull out my calculator I believe you

I tot the cp gap was huge but in percentage it’s still 91%

[strong hull]

Betting my house for Dorime

[fathom rock]

@hushed kelp

Gimme a min

Dear god this t2

[lunar dirge]

right, rng, rng, wtf, left?

[spiral onyx]

There's no CP penalty in Champion Arena

[fathom rock]

My exact reaction

[spiral onyx]

Stats diff is just stats diff, no penalty or multiplier

But CP comes from many sources, not just the raw stats

[fathom rock]

All of these are actually kinda rng

[late tiger]

need suggestions for my team (exact order) - rank 3, lvl 551:

Scarlet/Trina/Helm*/Rosana/Jackal (2RL)
Noise/Cindy/Noah/Biscuit/Laplace* (3RL)
Blanc/Emilia/Centi/Drake/RH (2.5RL)

*Drake can be replaced with Rapunzel for survivability

what can i change for a better comb?

[fathom rock]

@hushed kelp good luck

[lunar dirge]

Don't think s.anis go past noise bay even with blanc

[cold steeple]

Ahh I see I didn’t know that since I’m not the one competing

[lunar dirge]

Team 2 either needs to 1.kill Noah before her 2nd shot(1, 5rl mark) and 2.kill both centi and Noah in 3rl

[fathom rock]

The offchance noise dies if they hit her

[lunar dirge]

Team 3 is lmao

[cold steeple]

But still love this new arena since it gives free credits

[fathom rock]

WHAT WHY

[lunar dirge]

S.anis more likely to die from laplace

[cedar orbit]

people are probably more involved in pvp than ever

[atomic wolf]

YOU HAVE NO REAL DEFENSE TEAM AND WILL LOSE THE FIGHT
YOU HAVE NO REAL DEFENSE TEAM AND WILL LOSE THE FIGHT
YOU HAVE NO REAL DEFENSE TEAM AND WILL LOSE THE FIGHT
YOU HAVE NO REAL DEFENSE TEAM AND WILL LOSE THE FIGHT
YOU HAVE NO REAL DEFENSE TEAM AND WILL LOSE THE FIGHT

[fathom rock]

My cheer is rng
@hushed kelp you better win

[near plank]

tf is happening here

[lunar dirge]

Check out my cheer

[covert lintel]

i saw his previous battle so i know his sg team is super strong
and in this match, team 5 is the key factor to determine who win

[cold steeple]

I see welp I’m not a pvp player so I’ll just follow others opinion and cheer

[fathom rock]

@unique wagon

[tropic summit]

lemme finish my ||annual || shower then i'll take a look

[cedar orbit]

footage?

[covert lintel]

i'll bet dorimine

[lunar dirge]

I assume Jin since team 4 and team look like a decent win

Biscuit will die at some point

He only needs to 50/50

1 of those 3

[swift mango]

Could you post the video?

[pale knoll]

[swift mango]

[torn trout]

this mu hard to call for me

[oblique ridge]

Dorimine is closer to Doro than Jin.

You can’t go wrong with Doro.

[lunar dirge]

I think right wins

Team 4 and 5 look like a win for right

[swift mango]

Rail shower once a year confirmed.

[fathom rock]

T4 jin win
T5 lap sniping sanis and biscuit indom is very likely

[unique mountain]

Peak posting

[lunar dirge]

Prob sg's will get stuck on blanc

[dim escarp]

@tropic summit Here's my expectation for my top8 match, should win t5 cuz without laplace treasured he is 4RL
not sure for the result of t3
T4 I should win cuz of cp diff I suppose..
What do you think?

[lunar dirge]

And there is still red hood

Oh wait

LAPLACE

TF

Nvm, wrong pic

[hushed kelp]

Yeah really hard to say, his teams are so different from what ive gone up against so far

[lunar dirge]

You prob win t4 and t5

Think Noah can tank 4 sg's?

[fathom rock]

Redhood might carry
If sg go emi I'm not so sure tho

[hushed kelp]

Are sg teams the pvp meta? Need to counter with indom p5 for next season

Cindy in p5 might work too

[fathom rock]

Sanis die and emi indom still blocks
Sanis indom is free
Rh indom is also free
Yeah jin should win t5

[lunar dirge]

He only needs to asspull one out of three rounds

[covert lintel]

the team scary when you get a defender position

[lone sequoia]

to me, most of the fights are 50/50 and like 1 or 2 wins for B

[fathom rock]

He very likely to win t1 just by tanking

@hushed kelp hows your noise bay invest

[covert lintel]

with just 1round of 4sg, p5 died

[tropic summit]

oh ye this one is easy

[dim escarp]

to me too kinda

hope I'll pass

[tropic summit]

@lunar dirge very easy

[dim escarp]

even if I m glad I got a very cool frame already

[lunar dirge]

You think Noah can tank 4 sg's till 2rl?

[hushed kelp]

They need work honestly

[tropic summit]

they don't need noah though

[lunar dirge]

Coorection:tank till 1,5rl?

[tropic summit]

they just need cindy to nuke

[lunar dirge]

If Noah dies at 1,5rl, Cindy becomes 3rl and they can kill centi

[tropic summit]

realistically killing both noah and centi before 3RL would be interesting

[covert lintel]

don't forget that is drake treasure

[fathom rock]

T1 : Lap kill sanis?
Sanis not enuff dmg?

T2 : sg kill both b2 or kill both xmaid and rumani possible

T4 : helmT nukes helm but rapunzel will revive her, nero tanks offburst?

[fathom rock]

Its 4 sg

1 of them has ele advantage

[coarse solstice]

Hey Rail you got me to the top 8!!!

[dim escarp]

same lol

[lone sequoia]

R1, depends in rosanna damage to your naga, a win if you reach full burst
R2 B win
R3 who get blanc burst in the enemy team, sanis or xmaiden, if rapu gets it is a win
R4, 2 SG in the enemy team but low cp, both win and your p5 is iron if your alice tank you can win but helms will snipe moran after b3
R5 is tricky... if noah taunt RH depends in laplace damage in biscuit for* them to win, if noise have the prio your rh team win

[fathom rock]

Tyruk win?

[lunar dirge]

Can face tank Cindy on 2nd rotation too

[lone sequoia]

rh p3...

[dim escarp]

alright alright, opponent laplace isn't treasured for R5 so I guess it's good

[lone sequoia]

does attract work inCA?

i thought it was rh p2

[fathom rock]

What skills looking like and how much ele on lapT?

[tropic summit]

put them in this format

[tropic summit]

wait wut, real?

[tropic summit]

i dunno still feels kinda lower chance than cindy getting to 3RL

sure SGs hurt a lot, but to kill 2 nikke within 3RL

[dim escarp]

what's your opinion on this @tropic summit pretty please

also not sure who should be my next pvp invest there is too much, maybe invest for a R4 Ein team

[fathom rock]

My theory
T1
Lap nuke xmaid p2 pressure, if sg go p5 they kill rumani, if they go p1 they either die from s2 or kill scar right after immune

T2
Most likely left lost unless emi isnt linked and does a miracle indom b3

T3
Safe for left to win, sg either get cindy or die from scar or kill scar then get cindy nuked

T4
Helm gets eaten by noah invul then burst later beats the comp, unless noise dies that is

T5
That cindy comp aint bursting, left definetly

[fathom rock]

How tf does t2 left win

[tropic summit]

T2 right team wastes 2 biscuit stacks on noah and centi, SBS on double buff will wipe once those run out
T4 is a bit of a coin flip on whether laplace is running elem atk% or not
T5 right team is just way too slow to get going

[fathom rock]

What about t1 sgs disabling the comp

[tropic summit]

they're on attack, they shoot p1 invulnerable scarlet from 0RL to 1RL

most of them are low HP once scarlet is dead, indom xmaiden finishes the job

[fathom rock]

As if xmaid wont die from lap

[tropic summit]

you're expecting a lot from 2RL laplace to kill xmaiden in 3 laser shots

could be ofc, i just don't have that expectation

[fathom rock]

2rl?
No one is 2rl?

[tropic summit]

you for real?

4SGs getting x4 counters, that's all burst gen

scarlet is having a royal meal

[coarse solstice]

Yessir here my next match I'm on left

[fathom rock]

Is it enough for 2rl tho
How much burst does 1 scar s2 counter give that would be nice to know anyway

[quick lake]

Hi rail

[tropic summit]

look at the bullet count

[placid bloom]

0.45 x 30% proc rate x bullet count

[tropic summit]

keep in mind scarlet is eating dmg free from 0RL to 1RL

then she eats dmg from 1RL to 2RL, probably dies pre burst, although it won't matter as long as xmaiden gets indom instead

thanks to laplace dropping her low

[fathom rock]

[tropic summit]

hey Rheax

[tropic summit]

wow you're lucky you're on attack

[fathom rock]

T1 win
T2 loss
T3 uhhh
T4 win
T5 wim

[tropic summit]

seems like a decent chance for 3-2, could be 4-1

T4 will actively mess with your indom with noir and naga hitting p5

[fathom rock]

How you even predict t3

[placid bloom]

round 3 look like win, your SR kill from back to front whereas theirs has to hit front to back

only way you lose is if you run out of ammo

[fathom rock]

They are slow and there isnt really much pressure on sbs to begin with,no need indom ?

[tropic summit]

better noah stack usage on left team, left team is attack so they shoot from p5 to p4 to p3... that means opponent loses RH earlier than left loses alice or RH themselves

ye Kuwon got it right

[placid bloom]

if Alice run out of ammo right after Noah indom end maybe rough

[terse heron]

May I know who's winning this?

[coarse solstice]

My Alice has 4 lines of ammo and Bastian cube

[fathom rock]

Noah taunt and both same speed are they not

[tropic summit]

true alice believer

[tropic summit]

it's position that matters here

he's attack side

SRs shoot from p5 to p4 to p3

it's a race who kills their B3 sooner

[fathom rock]

But thats without taunt

[tropic summit]

again, they use their stacks better

noah taunt runs out sooner on opponent than left side

enemy is shooting invulnerable noah with second biscuit stack, while left side is shooting non invulnerable noah

[fathom rock]

Centi gonna proc once that why hmm

[tropic summit]

ye

then taunt runs out, SR start poking p5

they'll kill them off then

keep in mind p5 starts low HP because pre burst SRs are still shooting p5

hence, it's very likely leaning to the left side here

[fathom rock]

Good to know

[tropic summit]

one of the many reasons why CA is silly... attacker side and defender side can make a match completely different

[placid bloom]

reload timing will be unknown, ideally reload while Noah indom is ticking

since the enemy RH will not run out of ammo

[unique mountain]

Tracer san who winnin uwu

[covert lintel]

L L R R L

[tropic summit]

wow same guessing

[dim escarp]

rail pls

[lone sequoia]

CA made this channel a bet house(?)

[tropic summit]

seems like

in a sense we playing PvP

[quick lake]

gambling den

[terse heron]

Explanation on T1 please? Wouldn't Noah + Noise tank S.Anis's shots?

[fathom rock]

T1 right
T2 right
T3 left
T4 right
T5 right
@tropic summit?

@hushed kelp

[covert lintel]

noah or noise can taunt anis's normal atk but her s2 can't
so her s2 will still goes to sanis and emi

[terse heron]

I didn't know. Thanks a bunch!!

[tropic summit]

T3 is gonna be SG indom against RL indom

fire rate is higher on same burst speed... likely SG will finish off RL

[lone sequoia]

sanis p2, noah taunt that(?) but a sanis+blanc is more damage than normal sanis at the same time T1B should hit rh+sanis then emi...T1b can win if sanis deal more damage to centi than RLs to sanis

[tropic summit]

kind of a coin flip match, although leaning right

[dim escarp]

ok so there's a good chance I lose here (also his laplace isn't treasured in team 5)

[tropic summit]

laplace won't matter there

[dim escarp]

yep but it make his team 4rl

[tropic summit]

the riskier match is the one with T3

[dim escarp]

but anyway yeah t3 is something

[tropic summit]

you win T5 regardless of laplace honestly

[dim escarp]

scared

[tropic summit]

you'll tank cindy nuke either 3RL or 4RL

[dim escarp]

oh alright

[tropic summit]

you gonna have to pray s.anis is either reloading or running out of ammo while SBS is still attacking

[dim escarp]

ty for your time again, and ty for your time I m top 8 mostly because of this I think

[tropic summit]

ye no problemo, go get em

[final wedge]

idk how to do it in phone

[dim escarp]

if siren or else isn't pvp meta I think I'll go invest Ein for à better team 4 or 5

[unique mountain]

Overworked rail san

[tropic summit]

T5 could turn interesting but i'm gonna assume they'll screw up

[unique wagon]

Who atk

[unique mountain]

Left wins

[lunar dirge]

Dunno, let's say left attacks

[tropic summit]

@pale knoll f I might get 3k gems this season

whels sleeping

[lone sequoia]

top/left atk, bottom/right def
people will post 2 types of ss, rows or columns

[pale knoll]

People tired of having to camp spa

[hushed kelp]

Noise 5/6/7, bay 4/4/4, lap only 23% ele

@fathom rock

[tropic summit]

reasonable, I'm not min/maxing just bullying when I know they're off for free points, started as just trying to get extra margin to secure 4th place, might end up getting 3rd

[pale knoll]

Congrats then man👍

I just beat behemoth 34h btw, 4th lowest cp clear

[tropic summit]

you secured for next CA?

[pale knoll]

On my lower sync yeah, on the higher one I'm not gonna bother and just sit at rank 6

[tropic summit]

oof, RIP main

then again shuffle in around 4-5 seasons

maybe you get less whels in ur bracket then

[pale knoll]

I just wish they made CA better, then I would be incentivised to sweat rank 4

[tropic summit]

gameplay wise or rewards wise?

[pale knoll]

But as it stands right now, it's not worth the sweating

both

[tropic summit]

mhm makes sense

it's not motivating enough, that's 4 sure

[pale knoll]

Yeah, I'm not liking this automated thing at all.

[coarse solstice]

Wish everyone had chill groups like my SP. Me Russ Sei and Platinum chill in top 4. Elruth has been pushing lately so we might have a new person in CA next season

I also wish we had in game messaging to facilitate testing easier....

[quick lake]

ping them on discord

[coarse solstice]

To many with the same name so I don't know if they are even here

[umbral belfry]

thankfully mine is p chill too c2 keeps biting at my ankles every now and then though

[coarse solstice]

Posted my username but haven't got a bite yet

[umbral belfry]

but maybe i can eventually use my updated def team whenever i lose

[coarse solstice]

That good though. You get to test. Russ and I will throw a team at each other every now and then. We're both in the middle of building new stuff so not much to test atm

[umbral belfry]

friendship made through pvp

[fathom rock]

Probably losing t1 then

[swift mango]

@umbral crown I couldn't held your advice and trust in my investment (or my whale non-investment for that matter)

Over 95% peeps who voted for him lost 12h credit including myself.

[pale knoll]

Imagine not voting on yourself

[swift mango]

Did you look at how I won. I couldn't have predicted it.

[pale knoll]

I already knew you were gonna win by my analysis

Smh

[coarse lake]

[swift mango]

The other 4 matches are my 2.5rl hit his 2rl wipe (Rossana hit his Cindy not Scarlet for that matter) and 2RL hit his 5rl flexes.

Only this match I had a chance to win.

[coarse lake]

I lost my third cheer in a row

[bleak shale]

Going for loss streak

[coarse lake]

I'm just gonna not cheer anymore and get loser frame

[bleak shale]

1 credit cheer loser

[coarse lake]

Bc if I purposely try to cheer lose, I'll prob win

[swift mango]

Fake Pvper, time to lose 3 more to make it real.

[bleak shale]

Do u have to cheer and lose every time?

[coarse lake]

Idk

[bleak shale]

Or can u just not cheer and get it

[placid bloom]

yes

[pale knoll]

I think you have to do it everytime

Otherwise it would be super easy

[placid bloom]

it's like doing dailies, if you don't do it you don't get it

[bleak shale]

Time to 1 cred cheer loser

[coarse lake]

Watch me win that

[swift mango]

Just cheer for the one you think winning. Outsmart your outsmart.

[pale knoll]

Have more faith in yourself smh

[covert lintel]

if it's like that, everyone just win cheer 1 time and skip all other attempt

[swift mango]

Some people need to be pioneers (or labrat)

[atomic wolf]

@smoky snow UR STINK (jk)

[grand plaza]

Well...

Not even close lol, should've trusted my gut feeling on this one

My prediction on point

[swift mango]

The 2 case I said turned true huh. Idk you gut feeling but glad I didn't give you my prediction.

Rossana won though, maybe he had some invest after all.

Or maybe my reading was wrong on who being who in the first place

[grand plaza]

Looks like simply CP difference won

This is right before burst

[swift mango]

It was Rossana on attacking side, they had more chance to win the normal attack this way since his Rossana with zero OL. And everyone focus fire on one side.

3 sacc made his burst at 3rl even with zero investment and only lv4 s2.

Other side simple exposed their lower invested unit to be killed.

[grand plaza]

Overall very close match tho

First one, if scarlet could burst like few ms ago rapunzel would die and gg.

Second one, actually closer to what I thought, I was expecting blanc to make herself indom but what happened is she died like few ms before burst which didn't give enough time to ppl to hit SBS, then repunzel respawned her and she made Helm indom

[eager mountain]

lose, their nero outlived my moran

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1177116972593463316/1333630505270382593/1026322546934698004.gif

[swift mango]

You know what more hilarious? My Crown outlived my whale Blanc'ed Emi without Biscuit.

[eager mountain]

rip top8

[eager mountain]

did she somehow casted s2

[swift mango]

Ofc she did

Sr15+Tempering lv7 as well but still beating impossible odd.

[grand plaza]

I don't think there is a positive Rosanna did here tbh, with or anyone else with same CP, it was gg

Shotgun side is simply too underpowered compared to the enemies, like half cp

[swift mango]

Oh wait, you mean the immortal part? I doubt so.

[swift mango]

Rossana at s2lv4 gives 26% burst gen with each dies. 3 dies and his team burst. His team shouldn't be able to burst at all without that burst gen.

[eager mountain]

would be crazy if she lived that long

[cedar orbit]

Rosanna disgusting unit

[swift mango]

Yeah

[grand plaza]

I think they would still win without the burst tbh, but not sure

[eager mountain]

did u top 8

[swift mango]

Yeah, my 2 x 2rl team hit his 5rl flexes, I thought I would lose but I didn't.

[eager mountain]

grats

[tropic summit]

won the match but lost the bet, not stonks

[eager mountain]

better then me losing both

[swift mango]

[grand plaza]

Suffering from success lol

[eager mountain]

how would i ever lose, am i not supposed to get top1

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1177116972593463316/1333630505270382593/1026322546934698004.gif

[atomic wolf]

cinderella fans trying to use their brain challenge impossible

[tropic summit]

oh so it's bayover

[fallow nebula]

Help with defense pls

[tropic summit]

remove filters/teams selection, post your box with nikke ordered by strength

[fallow nebula]

I dont understand

[tropic summit]

like this

[lunar pawn]

My next cheering session has keripo and darius, insta keripo cheered, will check teams later

[pale knoll]

Why cindy so low

[grand plaza]

Quick question about Biscuit, she is simply making Blanc invincible back to back as long as she is alive right?

[pale knoll]

Yes

[gaunt viper]

I'm starting to think I should just stop cheering all together

[shell hazel]

slightly better than my record 😄

[covert lintel]

it's fine, u get silver frame

[grand plaza]

Well, at least you are close to getting lose all frame

[gaunt viper]

Well that's just fantastic

[shell hazel]

I was going for the loser frame when I lost twice but I failed that as well 😄

won an amazing 350 credits

[gaunt viper]

Worst part is the 1st and 2nd they were both about 90% in favor of who i picked after looking at the line ups and for the 3rd I said to hell with it and went with the 20% instead of it didn't work again. Don't put me in your corner, you'll lose

time to lose some more

[grand plaza]

Kinda unlucky

[fallow nebula]

I dont understand

[pale knoll]

So low in cp I mean

[fallow nebula]

No dupes

All maxed

[grand plaza]

Overall I don't trust that anymore tho, especially after 3rd match things become a bit too close and require a close consideration

Like for example, this one is win for bot imo, but players are voted for %90 top right now. Idk, I don't see 1 winning this

[pale knoll]

It's probably your lines

[tropic summit]

oke taking a look

[pale knoll]

Yeah

[grand plaza]

Holy f... if this is your 16th nikke your first 15 is 🔥

[pale knoll]

And the fact that her doll isn't SR15

[knotty fern]

who win this plox help

and explaination
I'm going with first guy:
LWWLL

[fallow nebula]

I have no dupes

[knotty fern]

3rd team might be 50/50

dont know who will get the indom could be anyone's game here

pretty confident right one wins overall

[gaunt viper]

I only trusted it like maybe 20% tbh, I still worked out the matchups yet somehow they still lost. Yeah really odd but I'm sure its just a quick glance or something

[fallow nebula]

😦

I only use for pvp so dodnt seem worth

Toyed

[raven sparrow]

champion arena so boring as a bystander... at least give us better cheer rewards T_T

[grand plaza]

Sometimes its just too close to guess as well, like previous cheer could be win if scarlet would burst quarter sec ago. Its what it is 🤷‍♂️

[stuck parcel]

That me.

[tropic summit]

scarlet drake blanc centi jackal
noise diesel cind helmt rapu
noah biscuit emi rh laplace+

cubes

quantum on centi, jackal
vigor on noise, rapunzel, biscuit, blanc
temperance on noah and diesel
any other nikke run highest lvl cubes (bastion/resil)

notes:

-throw trina in syncro, can improve burst gen and buff either T1 or T2 once she's ready to not tank CP
-wishlist/build rumani, can improve T2 burst gen

[fallow nebula]

Trina not ready yet

Swap who for trina ehen ready

[fathom rock]

Which one

[stuck parcel]

Tyruk, hehe.

[fathom rock]

Smashing it in ca

[stuck parcel]

I THOUGHT I WAS TOASTED

[tropic summit]

she's gonna change either T1 or T2, depends on whether you build her 4/7/7, 4OL, SR5 (scarlet) or 4/4/7 4OL, R15-SR5 (Cindy)

[fathom rock]

Toasting top4 soon

[fallow nebula]

Diesel???

[acoustic matrix]

Everyone using trina in scarlet, also seen rumani and moran, these 3 actually good?

[fallow nebula]

In pvp???

[fallow nebula]

Burst gen units

[stuck parcel]

Honestly making it to top 8 was shocking to me, I'm more than glad if I make it to 4 lmao.

[fallow nebula]

And as for of scarlet, she gets top 5 every popularity poll for a reason and its not pve

[acoustic matrix]

I guess 5 teams= stretching resources thin

[stuck parcel]

My Viper team can't burst, so that one I'm always worried about.

[fathom rock]

Rumani and trina have very high burst gen
Scarlet is op nuker
Trina helps buff scar and make her survive
Moran is good for stall comps she has so much damage reduction and taunt

[pale knoll]

Definitely worth

[fathom rock]

Sg go brr

[fallow nebula]

This is so janky looking

[knotty fern]

Keripo do u upload pvp only on ur bracket

[sleek imp]

What are some solid 2 team I can atleast make with what I have

[acoustic matrix]

Main stall comps?

[knotty fern]

can u explain the 4th team?

[tropic summit]

that's not rapunzel

[sleek imp]

l'll lose the first one, obviouslly not to invest too much into pvp

[fallow nebula]

O

[spiral onyx]

My lesson from this CA is, because of the best-of-5 format, don't spread your resources too thin. It's safer to build 3 very strong teams and 2 copium/yolo teams than it is to build 5 decently strong, evenly distributed teams. I did the latter and it's stressing me out

[fallow nebula]

Isnt rapunzel better with charge speed, and my wuantum has 5 slots

[spiral onyx]

Yes. Otherwise it'd be 1hr+ long videos and I don't have the time for that

[acoustic matrix]

I heard, that no cp penalty so completely on cores and team build, is that not the case?

[tropic summit]

purpose of 4th team is SG pressure with revive and sacc, although theoretically left team may lose emilia and noir, we're expecting helmT to survive due to rosanna poor invest, as long as that team gets to hit burst, moran will soak all SGs and helmT will allow enough sustain to wipe

[spiral onyx]

There's also, what, 8 NA servers? So if you want full video footage, be prepared to have 8 top4 accounts in different servers and upload a total of 8 1hr+ long videos

[spiral onyx]

Team build is the most important factor. But some team builds are more dependent on investment (core, gear, skill levels, dolls, OL lines) than others

CP is a direct measurement of this investment, but a poorly thought out team of well invested units will likely lose out against a well thought out team of so-so invested units

[placid bloom]

you need good team comp and also dodge bad matchups so you need to have a good crystal ball to predict everyone else's team order

[fallow nebula]

Why dont tia see usage

[spiral onyx]

If you have a bad team comp and bad investments... It probably means you got into CA purely by synchro levels

[fallow nebula]

Pvp so complicated

[sleek imp]

this looks alright?

[spiral onyx]

It just has different rules that most people are not familiar with

[tropic summit]

scarlet sbs blanc anchorIM jackal
poli biscuit alice rrh anis

[sleek imp]

omg ty

[spiral onyx]

PvE is just as complicated with the plethora of boss specific mechanics and different QTE patterns and the like

[sleek imp]

What app is that?? I want to get into PVP too :o

[mossy stirrup]

what's a good comp to counter Noise/Noah/RH/Biscuit/Jackal ? ty

[tropic summit]

standard RL burst gen, mid tier taunter... can serve purposes but there's plenty of better ones

[fallow nebula]

Why didnt u suggest i use xmaiden

[spiral onyx]

Tia is B2 re-enter isn't it?

[fallow nebula]

I thougut shes good

[fallow nebula]

Centi isnt bursting either

[tropic summit]

that's viper treasure, tia is B1 refund

[tropic summit]

burst gen

[fallow nebula]

I know

Just saying having a bad burst isnt an issue

[gaunt viper]

yeah there are some that are just very close. thoughts?

[tropic summit]

can use either of these:

https://nikke-deck.web.app/

#pvp-arena message

[sleek imp]

Thank you

[tropic summit]

no centi is good burst gen

[wise horizon]

i tried this but it didnt work out. any solutions especially T3 (bottom)

[fallow nebula]

What OL lines for cindy

For pvp i hesrd lines are diff

[tropic summit]

emilia blanc rh centi jackal, if you don't have these post your box so we can pick from what you own

[tropic summit]

mostly atk% and ammo

ele atk% helps against water codes like helmT, anchor:IM, emilia

[fallow nebula]

So this good?

[knotty fern]

you know what im thinking since is possible that rumani will just die

[tropic summit]

ye it's decent

[knotty fern]

and they cant be bursting

i would probably lean more to the right side winning on 3rd team

[tropic summit]

there's a biscuit, rumani gets invulnerable

[knotty fern]

oh i didnt see lol

[tropic summit]

[fallow nebula]

How is makima

I own her

[tropic summit]

do you've trina

[tropic summit]

good in CA, meh in sp arena

[fallow nebula]

California?

[wise horizon]

sorry i dont

[tropic summit]

[valid fern]

Canada

[fallow nebula]

Oh champions

I would do so well in champion arena

[gaunt viper]

where do u see those frames?

[fallow nebula]

I would ask for teams here and then i would win

[mossy stirrup]

Aight i'll try when rookie is back , can helm.t replace centi ? (higher cp would help)

[fallow nebula]

Use both?

[tropic summit]

if HelmT has less atk% than emilia (OL included) she can

else she screws with your jackal link

[mossy stirrup]

Yaaay not possible then

[grand plaza]

I think 1 - 1 - 1 - 2 - 2?

I would go with 1 (top)

[grand plaza]

Look at rewards on bottom right on CA

[umbral belfry]

@tropic summit wtf is this for rh

[wise horizon]

for T2, can i use Moran, Cinderella, Helm, Bay, Rumani instead as I dont have Noah either

[grand plaza]

Mind sharing me the results tomorrow @gaunt viper ?

[tropic summit]

reroll that shiet

[grand plaza]

Why do you think 3 would be bot?

[tropic summit]

yeah sounds good

[gaunt viper]

This is actually exactly what I was thinking would happen too, tho everytime I've thought something it's been wrong

[umbral belfry]

[tropic summit]

indom emi on double buff is lethal against most lineups, the only one that could hope to survive is heavy damage reduction stacking or running biscuit with 2 defenders

alternatively running a 1RL slower noah can catch the nuke, then you need to survive a few autos post nuke

[grand plaza]

Considering its too close to 2RL, I assumed its probably 2RL with cubes, and with Rapunzel stun as well I think Cind would simply destroy enemy team before they burst, what do you think?

[gaunt viper]

I see the games but it's only about qualifying and such, i don't see anything about Cheer losses or in general 🤔

[warm monolith]

@tropic summit hey i wasnt here for a bit of a time now but its because i can do pvp a bit good now,thank you 🙂

[tropic summit]

that's good thinking, although rapunzel stun is very inconsistent, i'm assuming it won't trigger here, but you're right on the assumption

may or may not...

[tropic summit]

nice, you grew up fast

[grand plaza]

https://tenor.com/view/thank-you-so-much-bow-bruce-lee-gif-12203305886570866249

[tropic summit]

seems like you can aim for CA aswell if you can keep the rank @warm monolith

[warm monolith]

Btw i read the link that you gave but i still dont know the math to calculate the cp difference

[umbral belfry]

another addition for rail's disciples

[tropic summit]

you kidding me

[tropic summit]

take enemy CP and multiply it for 0.846

[sleek imp]

The name says it all

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1037201300833701969/1289125906366861406/74b380e6566c8f1f.gif

[tropic summit]

indeed, actually hit top challenger ranks and by himself too

they grow up fast

[gaunt viper]

I know about that tab it's just there's nothing about Cheer

[warm monolith]

I had pvp meta units so with rails help it was easy 🙂

My biscuit is still 58k tho

[umbral belfry]

soon we'll have to fly out of the nest 🐤

[tropic summit]

and then you'll make your own disciples

[umbral belfry]

[tropic summit]

hime cooking CA teams soon

[umbral belfry]

[grand plaza]

Oh ok just remembered, check challanges

[warm monolith]

Also i got fully max naga today 🙂

SR doll 15 10/10/10 skills resil cube 8 5/5/5/5 ol gears

[gaunt viper]

I might need a screenshot for that one

[grand plaza]

If you can't find again

[warm monolith]

If i take my top 10 powerful nikke and combine them together i only slightly pass 1. Guys one teams cp

[tropic summit]

whel

[fathom rock]

I got screwed by rng this season

I like the failing frame but man i want creds

[grand plaza]

Yeah I like that frame a lot as well.

I am also going for silvers on Ark ratings other than hard campaign

I love silver on irl as well lol, just better than gold in any way imo

other than price

May I take your opinions on this one?

I think bot would win but its like %85 top right now...

[lunar pawn]

actually nvm on earlier

I'm up 1 credit in CA

[valid fern]

does biscuit invuln block soda stun?

[wicked horizon]

Damn. Couldn't guess this one... =(

[gaunt viper]

ohhhhh okay, ty

[wicked horizon]

Wait... I... did though?
The one I cheered for won, but... it told me I lost?

[gaunt viper]

maybe I should go for silver

[tropic summit]

you selected the wrong person

[minor pier]

R
L
L
R
R

[wicked horizon]

Maybe I'm misreading something.

[tropic summit]

you selected who lost

[grand plaza]

If you are already at 3-3, go for it

[gaunt viper]

only thing is this one is such a toss up, I went bottom but idk

[wicked horizon]

Where were you when I needed you. =|

I was looking at the wrong matches.
Looking at the right ones, I guessed correctly on everything but the first match.
And looking at the replay, I still don't get it.

[grand plaza]

I still need you

[wicked horizon]

Why did Helm not kill anyone?

Not only that, despite bursting, Helm did the least damage out of everyone.
Noise and Bay did more damage.

Noise did more than double the damage...

[minor pier]

that guy with the better dolls won

[lunar pawn]

[wicked horizon]

Why's the first one a Right win? I need answers.

[tropic summit]

that's what happens when helmT is taunted into an invulnerable noah (biscuit)

[wicked horizon]

You can taunt skills that say what their target is?

[placid bloom]

team 1 bot wins
team 2 bot wins
team 3 top wins, Ros disables Jackal link so Scar dies but Rapi lives and wipes them.
team 4 top should win, Rosanna is skipped because passive so Liter dies and triggers Rosanna burst gen + damage buff.
team 5 bot wins, Blanc SBS sweeps.

[wicked horizon]

Great.
Well, guess I gotta wait 2 weeks for the next try at a perfect record. =|
Thought I had it figured out with Helm targetting Scarlet, and then the right team not having enough firepower to finish them off, but guess not.

[tropic summit]

i mean you just said it yourself... helmt dealt no damage, the only way for it to happen is to be taunted into dealing dmg to an invulnerable unit = no damage

[minor pier]

biscuit made noah invincible, then rapunzel revived the dps, while the entire enemy team died to SBS

[wicked horizon]

It could have been some other mechanic the existance of which I was unaware of.

Rapunzel did not revive anyone - Rapunzel did not burst.

[tropic summit]

right

[eager mountain]

spa getting more and more annoying, pretty much have to gem to secure top 4 now

[tropic summit]

hit strategically when they sleep

[eager mountain]

thats a good point

they dont.

[tropic summit]

works great

[tropic summit]

well that seems like a skill issue, put them to sleep

[eager mountain]

[tropic summit]

[placid bloom]

why gem to attack when you can gem to pull more core and CP wall them

[eager mountain]

ill need to gem 200+k gem to cp gap them

[tropic summit]

@swift mango oi, you've converted another to your cause

[pale knoll]

[minor pier]

helm was too slow

[placid bloom]

11 wipeout a day and core 7 everyone, before you know it you will be 2m CP ahead

[eager mountain]

but yeah average japanese gacha player that plays gacha for their living

[tropic summit]

you sure?

[wicked horizon]

Rail's explanation makes perfect sense if targetted abilities can be taunted. 🤷

I guess I should've known.
I knew SAnis could be taunted, and her missiles are targetted.

Taunt strong

[oblique ridge]

I'm rusty on taunted skills, can any of them be taunted? Like burst nukes that target DEF, ATK, HP, etc

[tropic summit]

specifically, helmT being in splash range of noah's attack screwed that, if she was p3 or p4 or p5 wouldn't be taunted pre noah burst at least

[oblique ridge]

Or Cinderella's random hits burst nuke

[wicked horizon]

Cinderella's hits are sequential, so no. Maybe the first one, but not all of them.

[minor pier]

2 rocket launchers are less than 3?

[tropic summit]

oh wow, it seems you've a misconception on how burst thresholds work

2RL is faster than 3RL

[hushed kelp]

@fathom rock i realized, i think iggy from our server mightve quit… he hasnt logged in for almost 2 weeks. Sorta sad

[stone iris]

Do we know crust's burst gen?

[wicked horizon]

It is not a count of rocket launchers, but how many times a character with a rocket launcher has to fire before the burst gauge is filled.

[tropic summit]

non clip RL, bad

[minor pier]

why is lower number better?
so 1 rocket launcher is the best thing in game ever?!

[oblique ridge]

That measurement is time taken. One RL shot = 1RL. 3 RL shots = 3RL.

So means you want lower not higher

[stone iris]

good enough for me

[wicked horizon]

Don't quote me on this, but I think it's the same as a regular rocket launcher. Nothing special.

[tropic summit]

no, 2RL means you hit burst after 2 rounds of RLs have been shot, 3RL means you need 3 rounds of RL shots

also there's no 1RL, although it can be enforced if your opponent is running cindy in p1

[lone sequoia]

SG rosanna

[oblique ridge]

So to take what he said, 2RL versus 3RL means the 2RL team hits burst while the opponent still has one more whole second before they also can hit burst.

Since usually 1 rocket launcher shot/volley takes 1 second.

[wicked horizon]

Jackal against 5 machine guns? 🤔

[placid bloom]

MG still needs windup

[tropic summit]

isn't that 1.5RL? or actually hits 1RL?

[bleak shale]

U know how we measure distance in time like "x is 20 minutes away", we now measure time in rocket launches

[wicked horizon]

I guess the windup is significant for 1 RL.

[lone sequoia]

depends in how strong is the enemy scarlet

[minor pier]

can u help me pick a winner then?

[grand plaza]

Do you think Ros can enable her passive? I thought she would die before that

And I am wondering if top can win on game 5 if blanc gave indom to herself (is it possible to give herself tho)

[placid bloom]

Blanc cannot indom herself.
Ros cannot be targeted so Liter dies, mainly depends if QEQ also dies before burst then they don't have B3

but it's not that likely for QEQ to die

[lunar pawn]

what do you guys think? for keripo
t1 win
t2 win
t3 loss
t4 win
t5 win

[lone sequoia]

yep

[minor pier]

they all 400
no dif

[eager mountain]

oh yeah went stupid again

[grand plaza]

But isn't Rosanna needs 120 hits for her passive? I feel like she would die faster there

But yeah last game I agree with you.

[eager mountain]

[lunar pawn]

I mean, even with no cp penalty the investment difference will be felt, but yea

[placid bloom]

read skill 2

[lone sequoia]

emi+laplace is good pressure to p1, they can kill scarlet/trina before scarlet burst, but i think keripo doesn't* have good ele value in laplace

[eager mountain]

even if he lives w/ noise b1, priv and emi dead anyway, and rap+ burst wont do it

[grand plaza]

Got it 🫡

[tropic summit]

ye that was tested, he doesn't

[eager mountain]

wasnt that vs lv 800 punchbag or the ca result

[tropic summit]

punchbag

[eager mountain]

dont remember but he might won the lv400 ca one

[lone sequoia]

you want at least +80% elemental damage on laplace, a bit of atk and cs

[eager mountain]

maybe its a lil rude to call him a punchbag

[tropic summit]

[eager mountain]

[pale knoll]

[lunar pawn]

I hope people aren't getting influenced by the % status to decide who to vote for (regardless whether they got it right this time)

since some people are going for the loser frame

[unique wagon]

• ->
• ->
• <-
• ???
• -> (SG uninvested)

[lunar pawn]

voting for keripo's loss? wild

[stuck parcel]

The first two, I had like 20-ish %. Those 20% people won twice.

[lone sequoia]

#pvp-arena message

[unique wagon]

?

[oblique ridge]

My guesses

t1 is K's W
t2 is K's W. Possibility of a flip.
t3 is K's L
t4 is K's L. Possibility of a flip.
t5 is K's L if he is slower than 2.5RL. Idk if that's 2RL, is it? If is 2RL, W.

It's close.

[unique wagon]

Bro fails math.

[eager mountain]

yes that message why we call him punchbag

[lunar pawn]

bro never learned math in the 1st place

[unique wagon]

Ah I think you misinterpreted my arrows the opposite way.

[lunar pawn]

I mean, ">" means bigger, so I'd think you meant they'd win

[oblique ridge]

Yeah, I was confused for a sec too

Looks like Kisenix's calls and mine at least roughly matches

[minor pier]

can you help me? i want to pick the winner so im a step closer to the frame! #pvp-arena message

[lunar pawn]

t4 iirc keripo was 0.5 or 1RL faster
t5 keripo's faster too, so he blocks cindy's nuke, and wipes everyone except makima

[eager mountain]

why would u arrange screenshot this way....

[oblique ridge]

Then he he should win.

He will have a total of 3 or 4 won rounds in that matchup

[lone sequoia]

if" drake ele, need to check that

[lunar pawn]

what I mean

[eager mountain]

pick one

[tropic summit]

s2 going to have a stroke there

[minor pier]

the scarlet on the right has sr15? so do they win?

[lunar pawn]

even in the off case noah gets killed, he'd still burst faster and nuke everyone except makima

[oblique ridge]

Does that lead to Noah blocking Cindy?

At 2RL -> K B1s
At 2.5RL -> D B1s
At 3RL -> K B2s
At 3.5RL -> D B2s <---- this is Noah invincible
At 4RL -> K B3s <---- this is Cindy's AoE nuke going into Noah's invincible?

Do bursts take 1RL time to go off in sequence?

[eager mountain]

doesnt matter at all just whoever bursts first

[minor pier]

idk what everyone else uses to build the screenshots, so mine end up being short and i have to move em around like that.

[unique wagon]

Assuming left attacks.

• T1: Hard to say. If Blanc dies before Rapu's Burst, they lose.
• T2: Right?
• T3: If left is attacking, lose.
• T4: May the faster CS win.
• T5: Most likely left. Invest dependent. If SAnis survives, right wins.

[placid bloom]

it's not that slow, but Noah is usually in time at 0.5 slower if both players have no extra cs.

[minor pier]

emilia CS vs RH ?

[placid bloom]

but Keripo showed his 2RL Cinderella earlier and it's slightly faster than normal 2RL because he has cs

[unique wagon]

Both are 2 RL, it doesn't matter.

[lunar pawn]

0.5RL difference should be 2 burst sequences

e.g. so 2.5RL blanc indom will lose to 2RL scarlet nuke

but if it's slightly faster than 2.5RL, then blanc will indom beforethe nuke

[oblique ridge]

So even if it was bursts going off in 0.5s speed, Noah might still make it. With Cindy nuke being multiple hits as opposed to full unload in an instant, Noah should save D's team?

[tropic summit]

not convinced on T2, but those invest numbers are something else

[oblique ridge]

Oh I see. 0.5RL is 2 burst sequences

[unique wagon]

0.5 RL can be one or two. It's inconclusive.

CS easily changes that. Cannot be used as metric.

[oblique ridge]

So it comes down to whether Noah has high charge speed. For Darius vs Keripo matchup in team 4

[lunar pawn]

full 0.5RL should be 2, excel spreadsheet calculator doesn't help seeing inbetweens

[unique wagon]

Sometimes, 3 RL can hit B1 before 2 RL.

[tropic summit]

CS% can mess that up, but the generic rule is correct

[lunar pawn]

well yea, whiffs and rng hits can happen

[swift mango]

[unique wagon]

3 RL should hit B1 before 2.5 RL but not B2.

[placid bloom]

#pvp-arena message
was Keripo's 2RL team that he showed earlier sneaking hits in before Noah's burst applied but it's not the same team he's using for round 4, Idk how much less cs he has

[tropic summit]

there's no whiffs, just CS% and piercing cover shiet from RH

[unique wagon]

The math often comes out in a different way.

[placid bloom]

if his round 4 team is slower then I don't think he makes it

[unique wagon]

Due to CS(?), 3 RL usually B3 after 2.5 RL hits B2.

[lunar pawn]

imagine investing in CS and arena niche units before CA release

[tropic summit]

they were just a bit more serious than you

[eager mountain]

3rl team more likely to benefit from cs compared to 2.5rl and 2 rl in general

[unique wagon]

No, Match 4's second rotation will decide who wins.

[lunar pawn]

seriously bricked

[unique wagon]

Emilia doesn't have enough damage to kill Keripo's team and at the same time Cinderella is blocked.

[oblique ridge]

[bleak shale]

Technically if you both have cs neither of u have cs

[unique wagon]

And I know for sure Keripo's team is more invested, so it's a semi stall.

[lone sequoia]

cindy team have cs(?

[bleak shale]

Like if everyone rolled 10% cs we're back to initial expectations, it's only cs difference that would change

[unique wagon]

What I'm worried if LaplaceTr autoattacks being too strong for Trina/Rumani to handle. But then again Keripo has Mana.

[open jewel]

Is there anyone I should reposition in this team? (These are the only RLs I have for bursts aside from just Tia )

[unique wagon]

Actually, I agree with Railtracer it leans closer to left.

[placid bloom]

Rumani taunts so LapT splashes decoy + Trina at FB, Emi should kill no?

[unique wagon]

I think Laplace autoattacks will shred, but who knows.

[placid bloom]

wait nvm Rumani only taunts pos1 + 2, not all

[unique wagon]

One thing that also matters is Keripo's team can enter 2 rotations (Rumani and Trina both are 20s).

So if Keripo's team tanked through the first rotation, chances are he wins.

[oblique ridge]

And Trina has a heal after burst ends

[lunar pawn]

t3?

[placid bloom]

Trina and Mana heal need to be working overtime to survive full 10 sec of normals though

[unique wagon]

But I think Emi + Laplace autoattacks are just too strong even with Mana.

[oblique ridge]

Still, that means you're expecting survival against Emilia nuke

[placid bloom]

Rumani is only 20% dmg reduc at burst 10, doesn't seem tanky enough

[lunar pawn]

let me check darius damage with emilia in a previous match

[placid bloom]

it's not like Moran tank

[oblique ridge]

I was thinking Emilia would wipe, maybe Cinderella could survive since she's a Defender.

Speaking of Defenders, Rumani could also survive if she's not too badly hurt before the Emilia nuke.

[lunar pawn]

mm nvm the previous match was a bad match anyway lol

[unique wagon]

Emilia cannot wipe.

[oblique ridge]

Oh, Keripo's p1 p2 and p3 all have SR15 dolls -17% dmg taken?

[unique wagon]

Emilia + Laplace is a problem tho.

[placid bloom]

100% ele dmg Emi one shot Rumani

[unique wagon]

I know Emilia + Laplace is a broken combo ever since SpA time.

They can totally prevent SG rundown if invested because they hit harder than SG.

[oblique ridge]

How about if she crits? Just wondering

[unique wagon]

For example, Noah Noise Emilia XMaiden LaplaceTr. Normally, teams like this can be 5 SG-ed, but enemy hits so strong that your SGs die first (lol).

[eager mountain]

no way imma elem my emi with the 4atk 3cs lines i already have

[placid bloom]

[oblique ridge]

10% from natural advantage and whatever % cube gives

[lunar pawn]

do it, devs will surely listen and improve CA

[placid bloom]

Rumani and Bay the only fire defender in arena atm anyway

[unique wagon]

T3 left side guaranteed win.

[eager mountain]

yes and thats still 3 tier 11-12 lines

[lunar pawn]

yea, just don't know how hard emilia will really hit without buffs

[unique wagon]

Emilia isn't that strong without buffer.

[lunar pawn]

I do know his emilia is lower invested than mine, and I don't trust mine to wipe without buffer

[unique wagon]

The problem is not Emilia but rather Laplace.

[eager mountain]

rumani usually in p5 anyways, the best thing about elem emi might be hitting p3 bay hard

[unique wagon]

I guess Emilia autoattacking P2 also hurts.

Either way, Keripo wins T1 T2 T5.

[placid bloom]

well if his Cinderella team is fast enough to sneak half hit in before Noah, 1 swing probably kills Emi. But then it's LapT burst

[unique wagon]

Cind won't kill Emilia due to Noise buff.

Unless one is very invested, and the other isn't.

The determiner is whether left team has enough damage.

[lunar pawn]

either way it'll be an interesting match to replay later

[unique wagon]

Yes, they win. No, they don't.

Keripo's teams are just well-rounded at this point.

[eager mountain]

yeah 100 elem cindy shouldnt 1 laser buffed emi

[unique wagon]

They counter most teams and only get countered by a handful.

[lunar pawn]

he put the wrong red hood in t5 but it still slaps

[umbral belfry]

t5 decides it, right? can't tell who wins

[unique wagon]

He will likely lose if it gets matched against an otherwise 3 RL Scarlet.

[swift mango]

[unique wagon]

The key to winning CA is stability anyways.

Keripo is rather lucky being the Defender.

Defenders are so advantaged.

And even when he is attacking, all his teams can all counter non-Rosanna Shotguns.

That's what allows him to win.

[oblique ridge]

Imagine CA season 2 when everybody has copied the champion's season 1 and it's down to who put which team where in the madness that follows

[unique wagon]

Creates counters to them all.

[lunar pawn]

it'll always be matchup rng

this is the CA we got

[oblique ridge]

Hard to counter something that works well and needs to actually be lined up against to counter

[unique wagon]

They should allow reformation between rounds.

[lone sequoia]

just get more speed; my 2RL team is faster than your 2RL team

[oblique ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/the-first-berserker-khazan-jarling-training-gif-6347037192091011445

[wicked horizon]

Just for educational purposes, I'm guessing Left, Left, Left, Right, and uh... idk... Left?

[lone sequoia]

that can be all A, if rosanna have atk and good cs in helm/rapu

but no cp or SR15 in T4A

[wicked horizon]

Rosanna?

[umbral belfry]

@tropic summit whatcha think?

[lone sequoia]

to oneshot rh after emi dies

[wicked horizon]

But neither Helm nor Rapunzel are on that team?

[lone sequoia]

rosanna T5A: if that team doesn't have damage blanc can burst (probably not)
helm/rapu T4A (if they have cs moran can cast her burst before scarlet b3, but looks like they don't have skills or can tank all the pre-burst damage)

[wicked horizon]

team 4 is at a CP deficit

[lone sequoia]

no deficit or penalty in CA

[wicked horizon]

Really?

How'd we figure that out?

[lone sequoia]

just skills/dupes/research lab and OL make the difference+... atk or def teams

[lone sequoia]

you can check replays, some teams at +800 lost against 500k teams

[wicked horizon]

Yeah, that'd convince me too.

[tropic summit]

hmm a bit peculiar matchups on P4 and P5

[wicked horizon]

Guess I can stop calculating CP for every group.

[lone sequoia]

you can check cp to know if the units at least have few atk or ele lines+skills

[umbral belfry]

Yeah I was thinking it depends on t5

[tropic summit]

T4 isn't too clear either, although it's leaning toward alice

[lone sequoia]

i would say that 120k~130k is the minimum for a decent unit

[tropic summit]

T5 is the real mystery

either moran value or single buff ein

[umbral belfry]

surely i don't lose my cheer

[oblique ridge]

Tbh

I wish ShiftUp would give us a free way to practice arena. Unlimited

[swift mango]

Only needed 100 gems for this I'm lucky today.

Resources roll were good too

[swift mango]

Gem is free, use it for rookie, unlimited.

[merry agate]

This one i think left win at team 3,4,5?

[covert lintel]

R R R L L

[oblique ridge]

DOLO #1361835455183720488 message

Doro Only Lives Once

[swift mango]

I upvote ya

[merry agate]

Oh team 3 right win because defence and anis die first?

[pale knoll]

Since when are you a pvp enthusiast

[oblique ridge]

Hehe, depends on the pvp. I usually dislike it. Champion Arena is one I could get along with if I was able to actually test

[swift mango]

Well, he didn't so he wanted to catch up

[vapid lake]

Bad suggestion, it will make pvp knowledge more accessible keep it obscure

[pale knoll]

Because it's mostly idle?

[swift mango]

You need to catch up too.

[vapid lake]

So ppl in my bracket dont learn to pvp and keep failing to breach my defense

[swift mango]

[oblique ridge]

Not sure what you mean. But, if you mean I like "idle pvp"... maybe.

Actually, I had fun when I could look forward to "trying to crack that enemy team" a couple times everyday. And do succeed.

Since then...

I became #1 rookie, #1 SPA... and nobody really attacks me. Suddenly I don't have that to look forward to.

[pale knoll]

Sync diffing?

[vapid lake]

Leviathan

[oblique ridge]

It was kinda pleasing to see my "wtf am I doing, I don't know what the hell is going on, I'll just copy most of what Railtracer said to somebody random and hope it works" teams make it to top32

[swift mango]

Are you a whale or no 40-80 lv gap whale in your bracket?

[oblique ridge]

I'm one of the two whales in my arena

[swift mango]

How much lv you are gapping them?

[oblique ridge]

The other whale gave up after a 9k gem spending spree and it's been boring since

Uh.. 8lvls for the other whale

[swift mango]

I mean the highest non whale dude...

[pale knoll]

And the peasants?

[swift mango]

Aside from you guys.

[oblique ridge]

I think around level 540? The gap is 150-159 levels for them

[swift mango]

Okay, open the training room as ask the other whale to come here to learn.

[calm gull]

@swift mango thats you right?

[oblique ridge]

He already got advice

[swift mango]

Yeah I think

[oblique ridge]

I went from routinely beating him and defending him to suddenly he seemed to get real good at pvp and kicking my ass around

[calm gull]

voting time

[pale knoll]

Time to get back at him

[swift mango]

But you said he spent 9000 gems and couldn't beat you.

[oblique ridge]

It took him not having as high a Summer Anis as mine for me to consistently defend That's when the 9k gem spree happened from him

[calm gull]

[swift mango]

So did he beat you or not?

[swift mango]

Are you Star?

[oblique ridge]

He gave up after that, it was uncrackable defense when it happened. I mean now he can crack it, I'm sure, but he doesn't even try to attack me anymore since then

Current gap in SPA for me, I'm at top

[swift mango]

C2-3 have the CP to beat you. Just they are lazy ass

[oblique ridge]

Anyways, so yeah. Arena Training Room would help me a lot. Otherwise I have to start a new account and play it

And I tried before. Couldn't like it

[calm gull]

no, its one of the top on my main acc bracket

I lost on 64

[vapid lake]

No way

[calm gull]

[vapid lake]

No arena training room dont let ppl learn how to pvp

[swift mango]

Most cook here learned from image training.

And video of others

[vapid lake]

Let them continue to be ignorant and be confused on why they always lose to my def

If they can input every single one of my team in training mode they can eventually bruteforce a solution by just trying over and over

[oblique ridge]

Basically what I'm trying to do now, I guess

[swift mango]

It's better than them coming here to ask directly and solve it in 10 minutes.

[oblique ridge]

That's probably the downside

[swift mango]

Investment matter too, can't beat CP gap, skill level gap and CS gap stacking together.

[oblique ridge]

Knowing ShiftUp, they won't bother. They didn't for 2.5 years. They won't anytime soon ever.

[calm gull]

I agree

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1177116972593463316/1360832513827803259/image.png?ex=67ffd94a&is=67fe87ca&hm=3f0bd3b8f7b5f1b878c8f038ef1b3a80de9fa24fb2e77a846cd149b4401deaf6&

[placid bloom]

you shoulda worked on dodging skills to get placed into 3 bot group

then play bot for top 64

[vapid lake]

Do u really thnik 90% of players even know there are nikke pvp servers LMAO

Just having to come here to ask is too much effort for normal ppl

[calm gull]

right

[vapid lake]

If they have access to something in-game that they can use and test whenever they want for however long they want at no cost that's different

I dont want arena to become a game mode where ppl spend 2 hours in training room inputting combos into training room vs ur team

Before actually attacking

If u want to learn pvp go out of ur way to find guide

[placid bloom]

Idk about that, pretty sure everyone that uses shooting range for PvE has used either Reddit or here at some point. The people that don't probably don't even bother shooting range

[calm gull]

@limber rampart have you ever beat the no.1 guy's def?

[swift mango]

This CA my DKW is pretty bricking.

Hope it gets better.

[minor pier]

do i vote left or right?

[crystal flicker]

SAnis die before Blanc

Is this target skipping?

[lost thistle]

Hey guys, want to ask some opinion. With this comp, do you think Rosanna will be able to kill Scarlet and Red Hood with her burst, leaving the rest as easy picking?

[placid bloom]

very unlikely to kill RH

blue doll vs black doll and core 7

[raven plover]

target skipping already fixed, for a long time
it didnt work on non RL / SR either

what I can see, sanis team is 4 RL, helm team is 2
helm nuke redhood
helm team has redhood buff, sanis died to RL splash, noah is ele adv on top of that

[crystal flicker]

Which are gonna win? I kinda lean towards SAnis, but idk if Blanc will die at 3RL

[crystal flicker]

It's kinda rng tbh, sometimes SAnis die, sometimes she's survived and wiping them

[crystal flicker]

Now that I think about it, SAnis' will waste her burst to Indom ScarBS, while ScarBS will clear the team and left SAnis alone

[umbral crown]

Uwu

I bet myself but lost and you bet the whale and also lost

[crystal flicker]

3.5 RL vs 3RL, Cindy's Nuke gonna get nullified by Noah, but can RH burst everyone down?

[keen vapor]

[keen vapor]

When I do it doesn't happens; when the enemy does it, it happens

[umbral crown]

[bleak shale]

anyone wana take a shot at these bets im too tired to think well atm

[keen vapor]

Seems right

I think first round left should win bc right Cindy receives more splash

You might as well not go full 600k credits

[oak gale]

*bro some guy in my dms was ch4 , slept woke up and found themselves at diamond 4 💀 *

how does that even happen-

[bleak shale]

real men dont back down

full send

[keen vapor]

@coarse lake how is going

[coarse lake]

Bad

3 straight cheer losses

[umbral belfry]

bad rng on top of bad rng

[coarse lake]

Watch me win cheers when I try to lose for that loser frame, I know it's gonna happen

[keen vapor]

At least gamble one credit : worry pat:

[sage burrow]

[keen vapor]

Maybe x/7/7 to start

Don't do it

Generation is standard RL

Moran Nero* and everyone wants high investment

Nero will give damage reduction to Quiry

[sage burrow]

please help me decide 🙏

[keen vapor]

@worthy knoll flex

[umbral belfry]

he's biting the hell out of your ankles 😭

[worthy knoll]

What?

[keen vapor]

Quiry team!

Flex it

[worthy knoll]

Something like this?

[keen vapor]

To not waste her HP buffs

[worthy knoll]

Moran is more squishy than Nero, you want her to last longer so you place more pressure on Nero

Though with CA you won't know where the pressure is anyway coz you could be either defending or attacking, tho if its just SP you know where most the pressure at

Any Blanc

Have a chance to win against that comp

As long they have the damage that is or they could still be counterplayed

But mostly Blanc teams has higher chances against Nero Moran teams coz of Blanc offsetting Moran DR buff

It really depends but Blanc makes that team less ideal coz no more 100% DR Nero

Temperance on Nero Moran Rapu

Healing on Quiry, adjutant on Helm

Quiry Rapu Helm has 17%+ CS

To enable Moran B1 before 2 RL B3

Maybe all Black CS if you want Nero B2 before enemy B3

All of those are 10/10/10 on mine

But min invest you just need
Moran Burst + Nero S1 total 5 stacks + Nero Temperance cube + Nero Doll damage reductions >= 100%

[lusty pelican]

hi again dood, can i ask for this one..? @hollow eagle

[hollow eagle]

I'm leaning toward the right side

since their team 2 3 and 5 gonna win

team 1 and 4 result I have no idea, but I rights side has a high chance of winning

[minor pier]

how do you feel about this one?

[lucid zenith]

I would also like to know

[minor pier]

idk if i should put all my money on you or your enemy

will you scarlet burst faster than theirs?

[lucid zenith]

I have no idea, does Jackal feed mean I burst faster?

[minor pier]

jackal vs emilia

[lucid zenith]

I've just been betting 1 credit when I'm not sure (lost my betting streak already)

[lusty pelican]

thanks my dood, btw won yesterday bet too cuz of u ❤️
do u think today one is a coinflip? if yes i will just bet 1 cred

[minor pier]

how many on ur scar team have quantum cube

[hollow eagle]

the rest is fine as I see it
as for the 50/50, I think left team gonna die early, as soon a Trina invul runs out Scar gonna die

[keen vapor]

Right
Right
Double check speed but likely left
Right
Left

[coarse basalt]

In CA, which is the Atker? The top? Or bottom?

[lucid zenith]

Just Trina since I was only pushing for 2rl

[minor pier]

[hollow eagle]

Scar even as 2RL need 4s for her burst to start
Trina invul last 2s, so she gonna need to tank for 2s, but no Jackal to protect, and no AR/SG to counter, that scar gonna die is my bet, that's what happened to me before

[sage burrow]

can i ask why you lean towards left on t3

[keen vapor]

Noah > Bay ig

[keen vapor]

Let me know what happens tomorrow

[minor pier]

@lucid zenith everyone is believing in u
and my golden all correct prediction Frame is riding on this 1 win. 🙏🏻

[hollow eagle]

skip to 0:17, I forgot to cut clip

both team are 2RL, but mine has nothing to protect scar from when she out of Trina invul

[keen vapor]

I never cut

[lucid zenith]

I went into this expecting nothing and now there's so much pressure haha

We'll see how it goes

[hollow eagle]

just click on their fight, left is attacker, right is defender

[hollow eagle]

it's probably not a coinflip, I have 80% sure right gonna win

[lusty pelican]

ok thanks T_T ❤️

[hushed kelp]

My nero moran comp is the only team that hasnt lost a round yet in CA

Lots of investment, moran sr15 10/10/10

Nero really should be at least sr10

Nero moran quiry rapu thelm

Ill eventually work to get them all sr15

Id focus on getting as far in campaign as possible

So you can get resources

[keen vapor]

Top

[hushed kelp]

Also kraken anomaly interception

Need to be able get to level 7

[keen vapor]

7 is not really different from 6

[hushed kelp]

Long term itll start to add up

But yeah honestly 6 is enough

Pvp has been really rewarding for me and really whats kept me playing

[umbral crown]

the dream

[umbral crown]

[quick lake]

Hmm seems like scar really would like SR15 + Temp

[hushed kelp]

Jackal difference in that match up

Also blanc

[quick lake]

True

[coarse lake]

just... run jackal or a healer b1

[spiral onyx]

Given the whole "best of 5" CA format using the same teams for both attack and defence, my Season 2 teams will likely look very different

[coarse lake]

not using jackal also gives your team like a 50% chance to actually lose to sg pressure

just make teams that require niche counters, or at least counter comps that ppl don't usually run

bscar? reit? back on the menu imo, their wind element won't hold them back

[spiral onyx]

One interesting learning is how strong SG team can be in an environment where you can't pick your attack team. This means you effectively only need to spread your resources across 4 teams rather than 5, resulting in overall much better comps

[coarse lake]

if your bracket got makima and you're not using her, you're at disadvantage imo

do you know if a 4 sg rosa comp can kill a 2rl scar trina jackal (hitting jackal end)

[spiral onyx]

I still feel that my current 5 teams are very well rounded for the unit pool we have, but if I used one SG team and consolidated units into only building 4 teams, those 4 teams would be significantly stronger and the SG team would be a very huge wildcard

[coarse lake]

I suppose trina should protect the comp on the scar end

[spiral onyx]

Now the question becomes, what's better in the perspective of known CA rules:

1. 5 well rounded teams
2. 4 strong teams + 1 SG team
3. 3 very strong teams + 1 SG team + 1 yolo team

I'm convinced option 2 or 3 is better than option 1 (what I currently am running) given what we know about CA rules

But option 2 vs 3 is a bit more questionable. I'm leaning towards option 2 as more stable and reliable

[coarse lake]

just need to find probably 2 comps that require very niche setups to beat, or at least setups ppl won't run

then rng for the last win

[spiral onyx]

enters Soda

Kinda surprised no one ran Soda tech

[coarse lake]

I still believe in soda

[spiral onyx]

If we get one more clip RL I'll definitely be running her

[coarse lake]

soda team with high enough cs to stun noise is great vs the 2rl noise bay helmt comp

against 2rl noise cindy comp too, or noah cindy

[final wedge]

guys? how to win? my own prediction ill lose...

[coarse lake]

all of which are gonna be fairly common

only issue is, if you got enough nuke dmg to wipe

[spiral onyx]

2RL Noise Cindy comp
2RL Soda Trina Cindy comp

[coarse lake]

cindy delay prob makes her not that good with soda if I had to guess

maybe it lets her get all hits in vs 3rl noah?

[final wedge]

yea...i figured dat Cindy will eat up to 0.5 RL to finish her burst....

[spiral onyx]

Soda in a 2RL team is supposed to effectively add +1RL to their burst timeline

[coarse lake]

or... force their biscuit to burst

[final wedge]

idk why....i kinda wish its instant...but dat would be just wishful thinkin

[coarse lake]

they gotta make sure they don't run backup b2

[wild mesa]

hi pals is this the right place to ask for help with pvp comps?

[coarse lake]

part of me wants to convert my 2rl noise noah cindy into a 2rl noah reit rh

no need to worry about 3rl noah, should still have the dmg to kill, cindy can go block p5 sg somewhere or something

[final wedge]

yes ur on the right place....

but.....only few can answer basic questions

more like....few are "willing" to answer basic questions