pvp-arena

[unique wagon]

Problem is SAnis doesnt heal a lot when hitting Noise.

[swift mango]

I would vote for right but it's close.

Yes left attack

[unique wagon]

But usually SAnis lifesteal survives by a smidge by killing enemy SAnis first

With Moran might be different tho

[coarse lake]

I keep cooking up noise sanis interactions, but... I don't think I've ever ran them together

[final wedge]

day 1 too stronk

wait...its too weak

[coarse lake]

moran biscuit sanis can prob win regardless I feel like

[final wedge]

i remembered i reset my Noise when i was below 200.....now.....she is a staple in lvl.500+

[swift mango]

Probably tame enough these days. But still much more tanky.

Looks to me they splitted the old Noise into Moran and current Noise.

[unique wagon]

Wheere is the pic

I was LOOKING AT IT SIR

[minor pier]

kise nix & freinds.... can you help me pic who the winner will be? (for the kewl all correct frame?)

[unique wagon]

But yeah same right right ??? left left lmao

[swift mango]

I used to ran. Bay+Centi+ASS+Biscuit+Noise

It's alright

[unique wagon]

Goodness these look the same

[raven plover]

max core scar, pilg research 243 but cp is 137k?

[umbral belfry]

Fair

[unique wagon]

Very equal tbf

[minor pier]

oh no

[swift mango]

Zero investment

[unique wagon]

Id vote right

Because their Noah and Noise have more CP

[minor pier]

the underdog might pull ahead?

[unique wagon]

2nd team shud go → by default

[unique wagon]

• Right
• Right
• Left
• Left?
• Hmm, I'm going Right.

Not an easy guess.

[minor pier]

all my money on blorp then

thanks for making me a millionaire~

[unique wagon]

No I dont want to be held responsible

[swift mango]

First 4 matches pretty much mirror. But the 5th one right win. Left dude has zero arena investment. He is the underdog not the right guy.

[unique mountain]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1314994208691589192/1351973121736970351/km_20250319_480p_15f_20250319_230735.gif

[minor pier]

oh youre right! he has no dolls

[wooden geode]

can I 2/3 like this? Should I put Helm in round 1 to overstack it and ensure I win?

[unique wagon]

Yes u shud just replace Noir cus why not

[wooden geode]

idk, this was the comp I was given

[unique wagon]

[wooden geode]

who replaces helmt on team 2 then?

[wise horizon]

Hmmm my T3 didn’t go as planned. Any advice here?

[swift mango]

So the left guy actually on the right of this pic?

[unique wagon]

Ah yes the NO AMMO EMILIA

[minor pier]

yeah srry i made the pic backwards. Blorp beats Taskuru

[unique wagon]

Where noah biscuits

[placid bloom]

well you played around Noah but not Biscuit extra 2 sec kinda long

[wise horizon]

Don’t have Noah. Thought Emilia/Blanc would work against T3

[placid bloom]

only if that B3 wasn't specifically Cinderella

because she got Biscuit procced too

[swift mango]

Really I'm pretty much Handicapped in CA without Rapu... At least I could use my Mana next CA because CP doesn't matter.

[wise horizon]

Anyway around that?

[swift mango]

Reroll for CS and Ammo.

[placid bloom]

it's kinda hard, as long as your entire team wipes you have limited time to solo finish them

you don't have a way to block Cinderella is the issue

[swift mango]

He had basically zero time to solo because of the long reload.

[raven plover]

it does but your emi reloading

[unique wagon]

Do this

[swift mango]

Equip Emi with Bastion.
.

[unique wagon]

No point. 9 ammo.

Don't brick people.

[placid bloom]

Wingman cube

[swift mango]

9 ammo add up 4 more ammo with Bastion lv7. Math bro, math.

[unique wagon]

Do this + Resilience @wise horizon

[unique wagon]

Wdym

[placid bloom]

I don't think it work that way it's 9 shot, reload shoot 1 reload 1 cuz cap at 9 ammo

[unique wagon]

Where is the +1 from

[swift mango]

13 ammo are enough for him to finish his FB without reload.

[unique wagon]

WHERE IS THE +1 FROM

[swift mango]

You +2 at 5 ammo. Then you have 6 left. Then +2 again. MATH.

[unique wagon]

??????????????

You need sleep bro

[wise horizon]

Ok. I give that a try

[unique wagon]

Dont forget the cubes

[glad glade]

Between these two teams who would win? At first glance, it seems like the centi team will win, but then I realize the Centi team’s Trina will most likely die before burst because of lappy and invested jackal

[unique wagon]

Tbf Crown might be better 🤔

[wise horizon]

Resilience on emilia, Vigor on Blanc, biscuit, adju on RH and quantum on jackal at the moment

[swift mango]

Okay, my bad.

[swift mango]

Just roll Ammo on Emi tbh....

[wise horizon]

Yeah that is true 🙂

[placid bloom]

if you replace Centi with Noir you have same speed and you get more ammo + more Atk buff

I do feel like your team can be a little slower though

cuz his team is 3RL anyway

[glad glade]

Are you talking to me?

[placid bloom]

no to Natsu, I should've pinged

[glad glade]

Ok gotchu gotchu

It’s CA and I want to make my bets, so I got really confused lol

[placid bloom]

@wise horizon anyway you can try this and run Bastion, then you probably don't need to reload at all

[jagged iron]

What units would give me a win over the team on the top?

[atomic wolf]

replace moran marciana laplace with battery lmao

[jagged iron]

I saw the first message.

[atomic wolf]

WELL MY bad i wasnt paying attention

[glad glade]

Anyone?

[minor pier]

the one with more purple dolls

[glad glade]

So the 3 RL team

[minor pier]

yeah and the treasure lapalce! major boost

[glad glade]

Perfect, thank you

[sterile oriole]

Ive been the gatekeeper of Challenger 6

only shit is holding me back is the cp diff from the higher ranks

[swift mango]

Mirror, the Cindy who burst first lose.

[jagged iron]

I auto it. So, should I manual?

[swift mango]

It's all auto in arena. So the same

[jagged iron]

I always lose so my Cinderella bursts first.

[swift mango]

He burst first though, but you still lose

[jagged iron]

Yeah, I always lose. I’ve been getting farmed the last couple of days so I need to switch up something.

[swift mango]

Did your Cindy able to burst ? Or Moran/Marciana died before they even burst?

[jagged iron]

I press the auto button. I don’t actually watch the gameplay. So, I can’t say.

[dire root]

On 2nd thought I'm cutting my losses, removing my bet, I already lost 454k, and I can't tell what round is at a deficit and who isn't.

So meh, I quit.

[atomic wolf]

vote for khiren my goat

[dire root]

CA did teach me that Cindy automatically wins even with a 20% defict.

give Cindy a 50% defict to balance her

[atomic wolf]

?

just put her in a wheelchair bro

[dire root]

Yes break her legs

[atomic wolf]

NO

[dire root]

then build new ones

[atomic wolf]

dont she needs it for grave

just take all of her slippers, that's literally most of her power

[dire root]

Don't worry they can't feel pain.

[atomic wolf]

i feel their pain

[dire root]

Never underestimate my ability to sniff out and cheer for the loser.

[atomic wolf]

nah

i just 50/50 ask chatgpt

[dire root]

I should really just do the reverse of who I think is going to win

[coarse lake]

? what deficit

[dire root]

man they must want that jackal link feed so badly

that they will feed burst to the other team

Wait, why not have jackal in P1?

I guess I'm too much of a 160 wall noob to understand

Oh right jackal is the only B1 so her dying would ruin everything

[dire root]

20%, I'm mostly shit posting, that isn't nearly high enough defict to cripple a Cindy team.

maybe 30% defict would have done something to Cindy, but 20%? Nahhh

[coarse lake]

there's no deficit in champ

[dire root]

Oh

It's a good thing they list this important information. That a mechanic that applies to almost every other game mode does not apply here.

good on shift up

I may have reading comprehension problems.
Skill issue on my part

[quick lake]

unexpected cordie

[sage burrow]

Whats the mechanic anyways

[dire root]

I'm not sure who bursts first here.

[quick lake]

Scar

[umbral belfry]

is there any use for the assist cube in pvp?

[quick lake]

assist cube is which cube?

[umbral belfry]

i just unlocked it

[quick lake]

Hmm dont think so

[umbral belfry]

[dire root]

Does it mention the no deficit thing in the CA menu any where or is it in the update notes or something.

[coarse solstice]

No, it was just discovered by testing

[quick lake]

We manually had to check in testing

[dire root]

why shift up?

[quick lake]

indie devs, give chance

[atomic wolf]

god forbid korean developers know how to develop their agme

[coarse solstice]

Level the playing field. Make CA open to new players

[dire root]

Could have just mentioned that they removed a very important PvP mechanic. Would have been easy

[coarse solstice]

They didn't really advertise SP arenas CP gap system either

[sage burrow]

Did hella people try to leviathan style cp diff teams

[quick lake]

Well, technically its beta

[dire root]

Must have been a real shock when some 30% deficit team won

probably realized real quick

how many bets were doomed by deficit being gone I wonder

[coarse solstice]

Congrats on mirror container. I saw you on the recently cleared list when I tried today!

[dire root]

This is nonesense btw

[umbral belfry]

Ty! but now I hit the behemoth wall

[coarse solstice]

You right. The wagers are all over the place

[umbral belfry]

urawhat in finals

[coarse solstice]

I'm doomed Cup is good people to lose to though

[atomic wolf]

wtf even

[dire root]

They should remove deficit from SP and make it a real fight to be number 1 in SP.

instead of deficit protecting you from ever being touched if you whale enough

[coral matrix]

what's the meta team comp recently? I use old meta Noise, Rapunzel(old), Noah, Red-Hood, Pepper.

[coarse solstice]

Your already grouped by when you started playing everyone outside of whales should be fairly even

[quick lake]

Thats not old meta either

[dire root]

I think SP would be really funny without defiict

you would just have players getting ping ponged around

[quick lake]

Can reference these if u need ideas
#pvp-arena message

[sage burrow]

The guys fighting here probably dont have 25 built nikkes lmao judging from their account levels, sh!ts gonna fly

[umbral belfry]

there might be a chance you're defending, maybe your t4 noir might mess up their t4 indom possibly due to targetting?

[quick lake]

Leagues might be somewhat grouped based on cp/creation date

Surprisingly alot of low cp peeps making it v far

[coarse solstice]

I still bet on myself so we'll see

[umbral belfry]

and your t5 will get feed, i think it'll depend on t4

noir lock in 🗣️

[coarse solstice]

Yeah indom battles are tough. No OL 444 no doll she's pretty soft... 😏

[umbral belfry]

[swift mango]

I would have built better teams if they did.

[umbral belfry]

Same

[dire root]

Not having to combat power pad would be nice

[final wedge]

i feel like many ppl using blanc indom for their team 4 or 5 in my CA bracket....or...it is just me?

[swift mango]

Yes it is.

[umbral belfry]

I used my indom sbs for t3, but will def switch up my overall team order next time

[coarse solstice]

Probably just where Rail liked to suggest her

[quick lake]

Limited by units, yeah

[swift mango]

But not really affecting me that much. I could have better chance to win against my whale today if deficit still existed.

[coarse solstice]

Next season everyone will be on their best 3 teams instead of trying to make even builds.

[coral matrix]

whats Helm.T/ClipRL

[swift mango]

And leave their fate to RNG.

[umbral belfry]

time to throw my rh, rapu, and lap in there

[coarse solstice]

Treasured Helm and Clip Rocket Launchers

[swift mango]

Next season, everyone would NOT put their best team on P1 more like.

[coral matrix]

i only see regular helm?

[swift mango]

Losing because 2RL Noah hitting 5 RL flex is dumb.

My 2RL scar Trina also hitting 5RL flex.

Double dumb.

[final wedge]

[coarse solstice]

You need to get her to attraction level 30 (2 stars) her doll to sr15 the purple one. And collect her favorite item material 110 total 50 for stage 2 60 for stage 3

[coral matrix]

what RL?

[swift mango]

Team burst speed, the smaller the faster

[final wedge]

Rocket Launcher

[swift mango]

[coarse solstice]

Check the pins bud lots of good info

[coral matrix]

oh ok thx

[coral matrix]

thx

[final wedge]

its a very self taught info for PVP

i mean the basic one.....the advance one....gotta dig deeper

its funny how a simple PVP like this can be complicated

the beauty of simplicity

[coral matrix]

i just started getting into pvp since i finished the story last month and theres alot of terms

[final wedge]

or....its the beauty of searching it ourself cuz SU doesnt wanna spill the mechanic

eitherway....it can be painfully fun for some

[coarse solstice]

Lol misread** ignore me! I'm going to bed to

[final wedge]

welcome to the jungle.....hope u got good result....cuz the rewards for top 3 SPA is 3k gems...in which veryyy very veryy good for long term

[quick lake]

https://www.prydwen.gg/nikke/guides/pvp-intro/
https://nikke-deck.web.app/saved-decks

[umbral belfry]

nighty night

[coral matrix]

this shows defence teams is tere one for attacking teams

there*

[quick lake]

Atk teams are often tailored to ur opponents team

[coral matrix]

is there no stander?

[unique wagon]

No standards. More like templates.

[coral matrix]

sounds fun

[swift mango]

Wait still it happened to you.

And your 3 other teams lose to 2x2rl teams, + plus a 2rl, Blanc+Biscuit team.

I'm gonna build my team to counter exactly this next CA. Hope it going well...

[sudden drift]

I hate this. In theory you could have burst twice. Stupid SU and their inability to give guidelines/directions

[swift mango]

I mean this has nothing to do with guildline, just RNG. The guy was better than me because he put his team order smarter.

[sudden drift]

I just meant no cp deficit penalty

[swift mango]

Yeah, this make first CA a slip for many people haha

Couldn't be helped.

My Mana is ready for next CA use....

[unique wagon]

I propose Nikke's HP to be increased 10× for CA but it doesnt affect HP scaling buffs.

[sudden drift]

SU after so many SPA seasons…
https://tenor.com/view/sopranos-varsity-athlete-gif-26778843

[jagged mesa]

pvp bracket shuffle when 😂

[unique wagon]

No more wipe meta

No more seizuring bollywood cinematics

[swift mango]

Really wished his Emi+Blanc team hit my Rossana Blanc team lol... It would have been my win even if my two 2Rl teams are wasted....

[minor pier]

can u help me pick the winner again?~ (this is on my baby global acct)

[coarse lake]

The only good thing about the camera is giving me spinning Noah closeup

[unique wagon]

For each duel, allow players to ban a certain number of Nikkes for both players. They then have to reassemble 5 teams.

[sudden drift]

That one intern spent 6 months on that yanno

[swift mango]

See this, officer? A Gremlin Racism right here!

[quick lake]

I really would like seasonal ban

[unique wagon]

And themes

Elysion Nikkes HP +50%

[quick lake]

oh damn, that would be mega interesting

[sudden drift]

you mean like YGO? Nah b

[coarse lake]

Only good thing about it

[swift mango]

This would shake things up really. 100% support this. Make a feedback threat already!??

[quick lake]

Seasonal unit bans
Manufacturers buff/debuff
Class boost/debuff

[unique wagon]

This season's theme is: Haemorrhage

• All healing -50%.
• Lifesteal effect disabled.

[coarse lake]

Ppl in a bracket voting on ban is great, otherwise teams get stale fast

[swift mango]

Not like Yu-Gi-Oh, just ban a few Nikke for 2 week and ban another few Nikke next 2. Just make it random rather than to promote new units and we are good.

[coarse lake]

Or vote on other modifiers

[swift mango]

[quick lake]

Yeah, voting on modifier sounds great too

[unique wagon]

This season's theme: Second Wind

• All Nikkes recover 20% Max HP and gain immunity for 2s upon taking fatal damage.

[quick lake]

Then at least my benched CA unit will have some use

[unique wagon]

[sudden drift]

That’s it. Rheaz confirmed to be working for shift up

[swift mango]

What do you mean voting on modifier? That would make Noah and Jackal permanently banned...

[coarse lake]

Do the genshin and change theme to favor latest pvp nikke

[unique wagon]

This season's theme: Bomb Defused

• RL Splash Range -50%

[quick lake]

[unique wagon]

[swift mango]

That is basically what Konami have been doing with their ban list. Every other game later on just copy that to their PvP.

[quick lake]

Honestly, after a few CA seasons, u probably just run the same 5 teams forever unless new pvp meta

[swift mango]

[coarse lake]

And just pray you get lucky

[unique wagon]

Or Fortified:

• All Nikkes' HP increased by 900%, but this does not affect healing and HP-scaling skills/buffs.

[quick lake]

I can foresee future teams be:
Nero Moran
Scar Trina
Cindy
Emilia
SG
Blanc
Moran Bisc SAnis

mix and match

[sudden drift]

And that’s what should happen from SU’s biz perspective. Plus you already have ppl cooking teams with soda already

[swift mango]

Make a wiper meta unit, Noah banned. SBS banner? Biscuit banned. Easy money.

[unique wagon]

Making themes on CA is way more fun.

Cus you see TCG is fun because of themes.

[coarse lake]

Nero Moran too expensive to be mainstream, Moran biscuit Sanis imo

[quick lake]

True, but i mean if meta remains stale, ppl can slowly build stall. Avid pvp-ers will over time imo

Pvp meta moves slow either way

[coarse lake]

Yeah I suppose

[final wedge]

my problem is my 2 RL Cindy....its so sad that her continous attack is not as instant as i expect....so my 2RL Cindy can lose to 3RL Noah ....I learned it too late

[sudden drift]

Seasonal = all Tetra -20% penalty. Goodbye all meta defenders

[quick lake]

yep. cindy 🚮

[final wedge]

man.....she was a trend in my SPA

i guess i need to look for Rei or other instant burst char

[quick lake]

CN/JP/KR needa complain and feedback more

[coarse lake]

Bc she used to kill 3rl noah like she didn't exist, nerf hit hard

[unique wagon]

For example:

• Current PvP Theme: Ingrid's Takeover
  • Elysion HP +50%, ATK +50%
• Current Bans:
  • Put 5 random Nikkes here.

[final wedge]

it was a feature ....then it is fixed

[swift mango]

I don't use 2RL Cindy for that reason.

I use 2rl Helm. Much better win rate.

[coarse lake]

I still use 2rl Cindy, I can still win vs biscuit-less Noah

[unique wagon]

Diesel: We rise from the dead.

[final wedge]

my frd in rank 1 SPA also use 2 RL Helm for burst....its hard for me to use dat strat

[unique wagon]

Actually bans are not that fun.

Modifiers/themes are more restrictive.

Make RLs Burst Gen 0.5× and the meta changes.

[quick lake]

Well, too bad SU indie company

[swift mango]

I was about one of the first to put that into use. My rookie remains undefeated except for versus the whale to this day.

[minor pier]

which team do i bet on? anyone know???
halp!!!!

[swift mango]

2RL Cindy easily beat.

[final wedge]

i lose to Noise Noah 3 RL .....
Noise Max HP increase stall Cindy burst so dat Noah can burst.... ...the chance of dat continous attack to kill Noah randomly over 5 target is too random in my SPA

[unique wagon]

Theme: 60 FPS

• The Arena now has 60 FPS temporarily.

[swift mango]

2RL Cindy can't hold my Rookie at all. But 2RL HelmT+RH is really hard to beat.

[coarse lake]

Just bait + Moran biscuit sanis

[unique wagon]

Theme: Machine Gun Time

• Machine Gun Burst Gen +500%
• Upon entering battle, Machine Gun gains 5s of immunity.

[final wedge]

i need to craft something till my Wind Rei is ready for my SPA

[swift mango]

The heal though.

[unique wagon]

[coarse lake]

Invuln Moran, Sanis ele adv

Bait unit takes the snipe

[final wedge]

i added XMaiden....making Moran hit harder

[swift mango]

Sure you could kill HelmT but what about LapT?

[unique wagon]

I want to see more units being used like Frima who knows or Eunhwa or Signal even

Maybe Crow?

[sudden drift]

Chat lost their collective minds

[final wedge]

Frima in PVP???? no chance ......trust me....I T3 her for her tru damage copium

it doesnt work for shet...

man.....i just need 1 B2 CDR with 40sec CD dat boost tru dmg.....then i can craft tru dmg team for Solo Raid

[coarse lake]

I'm cooking a setup guaranteed 2 invuln Moran, splash DMG won't change anything, Moran herself baits Helmt secret for now

Although kinda easy to figure out tbh

[unique wagon]

• Theme: Law of Attraction
  • Upon entering battle, all Defenders apply Attract on all enemies continuously.

[swift mango]

You will also need CS investment so Moran 3RL catch HelmT burst in the first place. Most the time with people low arena investment HelmT would kill ASS with her burst before Moran even burst.

[coarse lake]

Yeah that's the secret

Until then, lapt is good bait for snipe

[unique wagon]

One way to fix wipe meta is to give everyone 90% final damage reduction that slowly diminishes every second.

After 30 secs, becomes 60%, and after 1 minute, 30%, gone by 1.5.

[swift mango]

Nice bait but still need to deal with the 3rd dps.

In my 2RL helmT, ASS would hit RH and Noah, not HelmT or the 3rd dps.

[minor pier]

aww.... no one noticed me...

[coarse lake]

Oh so it's not a stall helmt comp that I was thinking of

[unique wagon]

Go bet left

[coarse lake]

Lifesteal Sanis should still clean it up with Moran stall tho

[dire root]

[sudden drift]

Cropped out the teams

[swift mango]

It's stall in the sense Noah life steal with RH burst and survive.

[minor pier]

#pvp-arena message

[dire root]

this is such a cursed team

[swift mango]

Your Biscuit P2 will die fast.

[minor pier]

tysm! ~ ❤️

[coarse lake]

That's why you don't do biscuit p2

[unique wagon]

Nvm

[minor pier]

[unique wagon]

I would say left but I have mixed feelings on that T2 lmao

[swift mango]

Do ASS p2 instead.

[coarse lake]

Not that either

[unique wagon]

Its 3 RL for the enemy but I def know how things can go wrong

[coarse lake]

That's all I'll say for now

Still need to get cs lines to get my setup fully online

[minor pier]

they have sr 15 doll on cindy on the left?

[swift mango]

2RL Emi it is fine too.

No need too much trouble

But ofc no one use that in CA.

[quick lake]

left

[minor pier]

yay!!! i have rheax's apporval~

[unique wagon]

I cant tell if Luka is a boy or a girl

[minor pier]

she/her

[unique wagon]

Why discuss CA when they can change the system next season

[swift mango]

[coarse lake]

They lazy, minimal change lol

[sleek ginkgo]

Who's winning?
Noise noah Cindy anis rumani
Vs
Blanc Emilia biscuit red hood xmaid

[coarse lake]

No cred loss is the only change I expect

[swift mango]

[unique wagon]

Man if they add Seasonal Themes Id be happy

Because there will no be standard meta and everyone is as clueless as they are

[swift mango]

Yeah, that would be fun.

[coarse lake]

That requires them to care about pvp

[unique wagon]

[quick lake]

It would be fun. But opens up more bugs

[unique wagon]

[sudden drift]

Just take out Bollywood death scenes

[unique wagon]

No they already have modifiers for coop

[sudden drift]

So we can see wtf happened

[unique wagon]

Just make it more extreme in CA

Make SMG HP +200%

[near plank]

left or right

[sudden drift]

QEQ finally coming off the bench

[unique wagon]

You mean Crow?

[unique wagon]

Lerighft

[sudden drift]

no jigglys = no investments in my squad

[unique wagon]

• Idk
• Honestly Idk
• Right
• Left
• Idk

[near plank]

they both have unconventional teams

its so weird

those blanc teams facing each other can go 50/50

[unique wagon]

I think Cindy wins that

[quick lake]

left i think

[unique wagon]

Cindy comp overfeeds enemy so she wins indom war. Brain +200% size.

[final wedge]

i cant tell with no RL on it
can u put into https://nikke-deck.web.app/deck-versus-deck

its easier to analyze

[quick lake]

Left blanc should win, because that blanc is slower

[unique wagon]

20000 IQ gameplay

Remember guys fast is not always betteeer

[near plank]

the only 2 rl team on left is team 3

[final wedge]

demn....i feel like u guys auto calculate the RL outside ur mind already

[unique wagon]

Make enemy faster also can win 🤔

[near plank]

for right the only 2 rl team is team 1

[quick lake]

3 ClipRLs = 2RL. I assume the rest 3RL

[near plank]

everything else is 3rl, i already checked al lthe replays

left team 3 2 rl and right team 1 2 rl

fight 1 2rl scar bs 3rl sbs, left wins this right?

2 rl scarlet beats 3rl bay, they die before bay pops burst?

[unique wagon]

• Depends if Scar Trina kills Rapunzel. If yes, left loses. If no, left wins.
• Left wins thanks to Cindy overfeeding.
• Left wins because faster.
• Right wins because left is copium.
• Left likely wins because Rosanna, XAnne, and SSakura.

[near plank]

does bay even need to burst

[vernal compass]

Do I have any chances?

[quick lake]

T1: Right wins due to 2RL Scar nuke
T2: Left wins because of slower blanc
T3: Left wins due to 2RL Scar nuke
T4: Right
T5: Left. Tia sac + SSak nuke

[near plank]

so we are left enjoyers

[quick lake]

Me and kisenix same brain

[near plank]

thats my first guess too

[unique wagon]

Then why you ask

[raven plover]

youre cooked gang

[near plank]

bruh i always ask

if someone has a diff oppinion from me and they have a good point its worth considering

but generally they dont

[atomic wolf]

I'd rather die

[near plank]

these teams are kinda whack,

but i just saw the commander levels so i guess not that much

[unique wagon]

• Team 1: You are cooked.
• Team 2: You are seared.
• Team 3: You might be able to win this one(?), but Drake might overfeed and make enemy 2 RL (and you lose).
• Team 4: Hmm...
• Team 5: You are boiled.

[near plank]

why alice and sbs together

[vernal compass]

[near plank]

this aint pve

[sudden drift]

The T2 suggests they cooked thinking they wanted to counter meta teams

[near plank]

well true

but based on this match up he lost badly

delay cindy burst vs noah still cooked

[unique wagon]

Ooo

She would get splashed by Emilia anyways.

[sudden drift]

I was talking about YOUR PvP match you posted

[near plank]

[unique wagon]

Good team
Good team (surprisingly)
Good team

No sg cinema

SSakura is smart tho

[near plank]

bay needs to match the speed for team wipes otherwise shes useless right?

2rl scar vs 3rl bay= bay team lose

[swift mango]

Well, it comes with experience. One look and some teams are pretty obviously 2rl because you cooked it or sth similar already

[final wedge]

i can do dat too but....with 17% CS....its become blur now ....

17% CS change the way i predict things

[swift mango]

17%cs doesn't affect 2rl rate... 22% cs maybe but we don't discuss about it now

[final wedge]

i meant for any draft dat looks like 3RL

[quick lake]

secret

[swift mango]

3rl vs 2.5rl is difficult, you just assume if they have the investment or not.

Some team can't be 2.5rl at all. Some possible with only Emi. Some need 2-3 units to 17% for it to happen.

Need to count stuff like P2-4 noise Noah, p1-2-3 Cindy too ofc ..

Alice and rh pierce too and ofc Jack feed, Scarlet counter.... Which need calculator...

[sudden drift]

Would 2.1RL be safe to assume to achieve 2.5 consistently?

[swift mango]

2.1rl is faster than 2.5 RL ...

[sudden drift]

I thought you meant cannot count on 2.1/2.2RL on burst gen spreadsheet to be faster than 2.5 due to cs etc

Guess my dyslexia kicked in

[wise horizon]

Didn’t work out and used resilience cube on emilia too

[sleek ginkgo]

Can you maybe guess if opponents got 17 % charge speed based on their nikke cp ?

[quick lake]

Maybe if their nikkes are >120-130k maybe

But nothing for sure

Top 8/16 sure would have some cs%

[swift mango]

My Whale has zero high CS and will reach top 8.

He even only has 3 proper teams.

There are a bunch of them in my group more than you can count

It's hard to find someone with high CS units. Even then they already lost. To those flex 2 teams as well.

Flex 3 teams and pray you hit their 3 weaker teams everytime.

Just need to lucky 6 times and you are champion.

[quick lake]

Im facing stall team with 3x17% cs units

Just get lucky ig

[swift mango]

Just like that guy who played Infernity Deck which was famous for its RNG either win or brick and won the Global world championship of Yu-Gi-Oh in 2012.

[sleek ginkgo]

We don't have game mode which put nikke lvl 400 permanently?

[quick lake]

SR? AI?

Daily AI

[sleek ginkgo]

AI ? What is this

[quick lake]

Anomaly interception and Solo Raid

[sleek ginkgo]

Ha true forgot this

[swift mango]

Statistics quite with that deck he would be bricked and lost than 10 times before he reached final tourney already. But he reached and earned the world championship with it. Which caused an uproar in Komani community wonder if he cheating somehow with his deck shuffling lol... And Konami Global banned Infernity deck which was already full of card on the banlist to unplayable shadow realm for 2 years.

That's how you win with just luck.

[quick lake]

Reroll for better luck

Find that seeded account surely

[sleek ginkgo]

Got a cheer, where I have to choose between
2.5 (80% chance) or 3 RL Cindy vs 3 RL indom Emilia

[grand plaza]

What do you ppl think?

Most ppl vote for 2 but from what I can see 1 would win?

[swift mango]

Just need to make 3 teams and flex 2, you will reach Rank 1 in CA because everyone you meet slam their 3 weakest teams into your 3 teams. Trust.

[sudden drift]

Right

[swift mango]

[quick lake]

I think bottom should win

[sudden drift]

T1 T2 w/ Cindy P1 and T3. Cindy P1 should be banned to shadow realm

[grand plaza]

Why tho, I am honestly curious

[swift mango]

I remember Keripo could make 3 x 2RL teams. He could have won his CA easily if he did that.

Wait, maybe I could make one too, just need some SG...

[grand plaza]

How effective CP is on CA? I know there isn't a deficit but still, if CP is 2x that means something right?

[swift mango]

Maybe there were stat deficit just much smaller. But looking at CP, doll and core you could know if they have the Arena investment or not.

[grand plaza]

@swift mango I mean can you look at 4 and 5th matches? While one side has faster burst other side has CP advantage, I am really not sure what would happen here

[quick lake]

T1: 2RL Scar nuke destroys opponent
T2: Indom Blanc destory opponnet
T3: Noah blocked opponent's scar nuke at 3RL
T4 & 5, kinda RNG

[sudden drift]

Then why you say bottom wins? Had me questioning my sanity

[quick lake]

bottom based on the nikke deck screenshot hahaha

[sudden drift]

Just realized that…

I was like.. “I have learned nothing from rheax sensei”

[grand plaza]

t1 - wouldn't noah negate Scar's nuke?
t2: I am really not sure whats her plan with this, resurrect blanc to make SBS indom? Or make herself indom? Either way first team's Cind is heavily invested so I thought it could wipe the screen? If only blanc survives who cares

T4-5.. I am really not sure how CP works in here. Both matches one side stronger while other burst faster

[quick lake]

T1: Bottom team has jackal so have to take into account jack feed, which gives extra burst gen. So more likely its 2.5RL Scar vs 3RL Noah
T2: Indom will fall on SBS, so she'll just continuing attacking the opponent regardless of cindy nuke
T4/5 is RNG

[swift mango]

P4: Rossana can help the team reaching 3rl easily after 2 dies. That Rossanna teak has some chance to win. But too low CP mean his Rossanna zero investment and probably lose.

P5: Moran team can probably win even if no investment. Especially if the attack.

[swift mango]

Well, if you equip quantum on that Noah team it become 2.5rl as well.

[grand plaza]

T1 - Do you think Scarlet can wipe SBS - Rapunzel? Because if she can't, rapunzel resurrect Biscuit and ez win.

t2- This is just me trying to learn. Since Cind team is attacker (top is attacker right?) RH will hit p5 which from what I can see will make blanc survive until the burst.

[quick lake]

We're still not sure regarding the atk/def positioning. We think top is attack, bottom is defend; Left is attack, right is defend

[quick lake]

Doubt. Its Scar + Trina + RH, the highest buffed nuke, nothing much can survive that typically

Maybe if it was Scar + Trina and uninvested, possibly could survive

That scar is buffed a lot

[grand plaza]

How strong shorguns are? I mean they are half CP of enemy team so I think with Rosanna + Quency 2 DPS would die and should be win after that?

[grand plaza]

Hmm fair.

Man I am not sure at all, feels like a really gamble this match

[quick lake]

hahaha can always bet small

[grand plaza]

Yeah I guess thats the way this time.

From what I can see 2 - ? - 2 - 1 - 1 and it totally depends on Cind's RNG.

Or idk, how much feed Cind gives? Maybe its enough to kill Rouge before burst?

🤷‍♂️

[merry agate]

How about this? Which one winning?

[whole pawn]

@tropic summit maybe rank 11 isnt so bad

[grand plaza]

I think 1 easy

[merry agate]

Left?

[quick lake]

left should win

[gaunt viper]

[grand plaza]

Honest question, why Biscuit on p1 instead of noah?

[spiral onyx]

This is correct from what I've noticed. Top left attacker vs bottom right defender. I started off as the very far bottom right of group 8 and I've been defender for every one of my fights (which luckily also saves me from SG teams)

[gaunt viper]

I was advised earlier to do P1 due to the fact that Noah was getting killed incredibly quick. this was kinda a test to see if the scenario would still work out here too

[grand plaza]

But shouldn't Biscuit prevent her death?

[swift mango]

Enemy team is also very low cp. SG is strong even without investment at all.

[gaunt viper]

#pvp-arena message it was in this circumstance. Noah was dying before biscuit could even get S2 off

[grand plaza]

You think that team can kill both b2 before first team burst?

[eager mountain]

knowing his team is always faster then mine by a bit, his faster stun made my scar nuke first, 4d chess

[swift mango]

Depending on ATK or def.

But have a good chance in both.

[swift mango]

P1 Biscuit... You are very blasphemy.... But it works.

1 buff Emi, mate think he is megawhale with core +7 Emi and 4 attack line.

Scarlet blocked by Bay.

[final wedge]

everytime i win....im happy....but when CA struck me with reality that I win over nothin but a few credits....i feel bad again

[swift mango]

You win for a frame

[final wedge]

i wan resources.....

too many nikkek to sapport

[swift mango]

Just swipe you card

[final wedge]

dem u got me

[limpid nebula]

SPA will randomly spawn players from much older servers?

[calm gull]

[grand plaza]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-really-bet-zoom-gif-1865842086006026214

Max on team 2 lol, I didn't want to half-azz it

[calm gull]

yeah its pretty random if I say so myself

got paired with those 2 leviathans are truly the Balanced Optimization

[limpid nebula]

my SPA suddenly pop out players with limited nikke, and suddenly top 4 huhhh

[grand plaza]

Looks like game balance it with a day 1 player

[calm gull]

day 1/1 month players against 5 months old acc

absolute cinema

[limpid nebula]

but surely SPA wont right? only CA

[grand plaza]

[calm gull]

ofc la, if spa I would be far bricked.
I'm currently top 2 SPA

[limpid nebula]

but whats the max server range tho, i got one nearly 300 server diff

[calm gull]

depends on how big the player count on each server region I think

rn SEA is the lowest, so its only around 3-4 64 brackets in CA

[limpid nebula]

[calm gull]

17899 divided by 4

top 4 from each server

[limpid nebula]

but im more concern about SPA, cause he suddenly pop out of no where and rank 4, tmr prob rank 1

[glacial lion]

wth?

[calm gull]

they might be got reshuffled

they reshuffled spa a while ago

[limpid nebula]

i thought i secured the top 3, and then now other players from older server can just randomly join in this bracklet

[limpid nebula]

not following the SPA reset?

[calm gull]

cindy rng

[limpid nebula]

a draw still considered a defeat?

[glacial lion]

yes

[calm gull]

reset is reset, reshuffle is different.

reset/tallying is once per two weeks.
reshuffle is not scheduled regularly.

[limpid nebula]

his cindy is just too tanky or somehow negate the damage?

[limpid nebula]

i just unlucky i guess

[calm gull]

its just sucks when a whale coming to your bracket ruining it

[limpid nebula]

yup yup i agree

[quick lake]

Generally in cindy vs cindy matchups, the cindy that bursts second will tend to win

[glacial lion]

none of my cindy burst hit her

[limpid nebula]

huuuhhh?? so cindy need a lower RL?

[quick lake]

Opponent cindy bursts second, so she has her decoy up. Thus the tankiness

U bursting first means, opponent cindy wipes ur decoy when they burst

So its ur no decoy cindy vs their decoy cindy

[quick lake]

Cindy just problematic in general

[vapid lake]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1162985219830329374.webp?size=128&animated=true

[glacial lion]

noah invul not work on decoy? how can his cindy burst deal dmg to decoy

[quick lake]

u can look at vid again. Even when ur Noah shield is up, u can see ur decoy taking dmg from opponent nuke

[limpid nebula]

cindy decoy activates when burst 3 and last the entire battle? wont bursting first means getting decoy first and tankier throughout?

[quick lake]

When u burst, ur decoy is “recharged” can read skill 3 again.

When Cindy bursts second, that cindy regains her decoy.

But they cindy that bursts first, loses her decoy (due to 2nd cindy nuking)

[quick lake]

Can take a look at Tech’s vid again. Our team loses the decoy when opponent cindy bursts

[limpid nebula]

ohhh wow recharge is pretty insane

[quick lake]

Yeah. Cindy is very buggy

[limpid nebula]

learn something new, putting cindy in my highest RL team and prefer a taunt and nuke team

[vapid lake]

Just dont mirror cindy

[covert lintel]

this skill make whaler super strong

[raven plover]

we beating cindy user with Rei

[wicked horizon]

Oh this one's hard to guess.
Who's gonna win...
Left will win 1 and 3, right will win 4 and 5, I think.
2 is... Will a double-buffed Scarlet kill their damage dealers through Moran burst?

[limpid nebula]

we cant really win against whale anyways

[unborn latch]

Did I make the right calls on this matchup?

[wicked horizon]

My guess would be the opposite on P1.

[unborn latch]

whats your case for P1? Rosanna wouldnt cancel noah out?

[wicked horizon]

Cancel what?

Rosanna is anti-Jackal.
Noah's invuln acvtivates far too late for Rosanna?

[unborn latch]

I thought she dispelled buffs on attackers, so noahs invuln wouldnt protect the main dps

oh is that it?

I dont have her invested at all so its tough for me to understand the timing

[wicked horizon]

Yeah, after 10 bullets fired. From a minigun, that's quite soon, and before bursts go off, I believe.

[unborn latch]

if thats the case then the underdog wins

thats a pretty wide margin

[wicked horizon]

People cheering don't really know what they're doing tbh.

[unborn latch]

starting to get that impression

[wicked horizon]

I won a 13% cheer percentage cheer last round. 🤷

Current round is 18-82, but it definitely feels a lot closer to me.

[covert lintel]

T1 noise win
T2 whoever blanc indom wear off first lose
T3 scar win

[wicked horizon]

Why would Scarlet win? How does she survive a RH-buffed Cinderella burst?

[unborn latch]

yeah thats 2rl

[covert lintel]

cindy p1

[unborn latch]

well that T3 scarlet is probably 2.5 RL, its 99.15% so theres probably a

quantum cube there

[wise owl]

I think I'd like to improve my third PVP team

[wicked horizon]

Hmm, yeah, I didn't read the numbers. The boxes are misleading.
They're both 2RL.
Yeah, then Scarlet's burst hits first. If it wipes, she wins.

[wise owl]

Just pulled Pioneer Scarlet, but Moran works really well with Trina

[unborn latch]

I dont understand why rapunzel is in slot 1 there. If she dies, no burst occurs anyway

[wicked horizon]

Probably baiting a stun.

[near plank]

the odds dont change anything, its just a guage of how many people voted

[brittle horizon]

Did right have higher chances winning

[unborn latch]

im aware of this

[near plank]

rewards are always 2x, AND from experience the 2 majority cheers that i voted on
were minority

[wise owl]

She doesn't die too much on my end; and when she goes low, yeah, it produces a stun

[near plank]

and both of them WON lol, people have no idea how match ups work

[wicked horizon]

But really, I'd appreciate input on match 2. Who do you think will win and why?

[wise owl]

I figure I could replace RRH with Red Hood or someone else; B!Soda's mainly there for burst gen

[unborn latch]

why would both teams be 2rl?

[opaque chasm]

Jackal team will burst first right?

[wicked horizon]

You don't have any more meta PvP units?

[covert lintel]

rapun can facetank there in 3rl team with tempering cube

[wicked horizon]

I can only assume the site doesn't account for Cindy generating more burst for the first team because rocket launchers hit an extra target - her decoy?

[near plank]

L
L
L
R
R

[wise owl]

No Noah; but I think Maiden could work there

[unborn latch]

well that team was already 2RL on the site so cindys gen is irrelevant, but I only see the scarlet p3 team as 2.5

[near plank]

team 4 might even go to left
so left higher chance to win

[wicked horizon]

No, Cindy generates burst for the opposing team.

[wicked horizon]

Damn, unbuilt Scarlet.

[covert lintel]

that is why i said scar win

[unborn latch]

i was unaware of t hat, how does cindy feed?

[near plank]

decoy generates extra hit

for RL

quadruple that for emilia

[wicked horizon]

Rocket launchers do AoE damage. Generate burst for each target hit. Cindy is so fat she counts as two targets.

[covert lintel]

rocket is an AoE dmg, so it will hit her decoy, main body, and cover

[brittle horizon]

Team 2 not right win?

[unborn latch]

oh her decoy counts as an additional?

[near plank]

cindy block

[unborn latch]

mind blown

[near plank]

also noise cindy will delete the other side

moran trina isnt a comp im gonna bet on lol

[wicked horizon]

Shame that one post with the 20-or-so team suggestions didn't get pinned.

Try seeing if you can get some inspiration from here. Can't be bothered to do a full analysis right now. If you don't have a good team, just put together something with a high CP.

Hold on, Discord is being ******** and won't let me copy links.

Yeah, Discord's actually broken. I can't copy links.
Just put this into the search bar:
from: rheax standard SPA defence teams

[wise owl]

I'll look into it, thanks!
I take it defense teams would be structured the same way as offense teams

[wise owl]

High CP was my older approach; but as of the last four seasons, I've tried to be more deliberate with how I've structured them

[wicked horizon]

Uh, no.
Attack teams are usually built according to whoever you're attacking.
The biggest difference is that you can focus all your best units into two teams to beat the two weakest defending teams, because that's all you need to win.

[brittle horizon]

[wicked horizon]

If you got the patience, you always find the two weakest enemy teams, calculate their speed, and then make a team (for each) that's faster (or as fast, if you win the trade) and as strong as possible.

[wicked horizon]

But cmon, anyone here who'd be willing to make an educated guess whether left or right will win fight #2?
I'm really torn on who to vote for. =|

[wise owl]

Really?
I never thought to tailor attack teams on a case by case basis

[wanton island]

mornin fellas

[wise owl]

There's a lot more depth to this than I'd thought
I'm excited to be a regular to this channel

[wanton island]

wait til they talk about frames. makes my head spin to a level of nerd i only go to at work

[fair scaffold]

Can I get a good ish PvP team with these nikke's

[wicked horizon]

Can a RH and Trina buffed Scarlet one-shot a Moran and Anchor buffed THelm?
Can THelm one-shot Scarlet, RH, and Jackal linked together?

[wanton island]

blanc scarlet black shadow and jackal position 5 is what i would start with

[wicked horizon]

SBS, Alice, Liter, Blanc, Jackal (more CP)
or
SBS, Liter, Rumani, Blanc, Jackal (more burst gen)
order is important

[wanton island]

ive never seen thelm 1 shot me but then again ive not seen a moran anchor buffed one. anchor maid or og?

[wicked horizon]

Maid Anchor of course. 👍

[wanton island]

never know. every now and then someone pulls out something crazy with ogs

[wicked horizon]

Well, that's what I hear around here - THelm's burst is so strong, it can take out all 3 units that make up the Jackal link at once.

[wise owl]

If I were to replace Moran+Trina with Trina+Scarlet, I think I'd have to replace Moran with Noise
She works great as a self-sustaining bait

[wicked horizon]

Scarlet Trina is great.
But as Scarlet is a nuker, you don't necessarily need a sustain unit like Noise.
Just make sure you can burst early. (Jackal is very good here too.)

[wicked horizon]

Fug id, betting on the underdog again.
I think left will win match 2.

[wanton island]

i invested quite a bit in scarlet but its a shame noah can "nope" her so easy

[wicked horizon]

There's only one noah, but you can make more than 1 nuke team.

[wise owl]

Makes me wish I pulled Scarlet sooner
By the time mine came home, my Moran was fully built and sitting on a C1

[wanton island]

minerva?

im thinking screen wipes

[modest summit]

question, does my helmt need s1 at lvl 10? currently at lvl 7

[wanton island]

for pvp yes

mine is admittedly 9

[modest summit]

are there any requisites for it from OL or like do i just put her s1 at 10 regardless?

[wanton island]

i think people tackle her at 18% charge speed

dont go wasting rocks until someone confirms though

[lusty pelican]

left wins right?

[bleak shale]

U mean charge speed?

[wanton island]

yes! sorry. on first cup of coffee

[bleak shale]

As with most speed/burst gen it really depends on the team

But I've had enough close to 100% on helm that s1 lvl 10 is probably worth for less build limitations

With speed it depends on the rest of ur team too, the slowest one to hit the breakpoint is most important

Like if ur 130% at 3r but only 85% at 2.5 then helm's shot with cs at 2.5 regardless of the rest of your team will get you to burst but if ur missing like 40% of ur bar at 2.5 you need the rest of your team to have cs too since helm isn't the one triggering the burst

[vapid lake]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1162985219830329374.webp?size=128&animated=true

[hollow eagle]

hey folks, need help with this, tks

[covert lintel]

R R R L R

[raven plover]

if left is attacker I personally gonna put my bet on right

my gut instinct telling me its gonna be

• left
• draw, but right gonna have higher HP overall, so right wins
• right
• right
• right

[atomic wolf]

@smoky snow

[lusty pelican]

ok thanks dood

[hollow eagle]

tks

[atomic wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/yakuza-5-watase-watase-true-cropped-yakuza-memes-me-inhaling-my-gif-975245198538387395

told ya

just stay where you are 100% easy slot

[drifting hazel]

How how do I beat him three times but lose this time? Like huh?

He only has 40k over me

[calm gull]

rng

[unique wagon]

Hmm I see

Then probably just damage stacking with Crown etc

[shell hazel]

I think left loses this so I'm cheering them (I'm trying to lose them all now) 😄

cindy p1 spotted

[wise horizon]

Better using Emilia, Blanc, red hood, noir, jackal for extra ammo and dmg?

[unique wagon]

Not sure about Noir

Noir will be killed by Cindy so u wont get attack buff but u do get ammo back

An extremely invested Rapipi would do better probably

[brittle horizon]

T1 sbs 3rl scar 2.5rl, didnt noah shield ontime to cover?

[raven plover]

0.5 is enough gap for 2.5 b3 to proc before noah
if its "true" 2.5

[shell hazel]

my friend sat next to me wanted to win so he bet on right 😄

[lone sequoia]

all my cheers are rng if people use elemental dmg in their units...

[grave dove]

who's gonna win left or right?

[sudden drift]

who did you bet on

[eternal finch]

I know I got a deficit, but, any recs vs these comps?

[grave dove]

im betting on right to lose

[spiral onyx]

So I ran some tests and if Mao 's units are as invested as mine, there's a chance I will lose. If his T3 is able to kill my Noise fast enough and if his T5 Cindy is able to burst before my Noah, he can win the matchup

[lone sequoia]

R1 B
R2 B
R3 A
R4 A
R5 A?

[lone sequoia]

cheers are closed, no?

oh, you posted ss

to me R3 and R4 are 50/50

[spiral onyx]

Man, CA using different attack rules from SP Arena really screwed me over with my team comps cooking. I'm getting punished for trying to build 5 decently strong teams instead of 3 very strong teams

[covert lintel]

R R R L R
if left is defender, R R R L L

[lone sequoia]

pretty much you must have 3~4 strong teams, a mid team and play mind games for rounds

my teasm were atk/def at the same time, but i'm not top4 in my main sp bracket

[spiral onyx]

There's no mind games really since you can't change teams or change ordering

[lone sequoia]

i mean in where you drop your weak team

[eternal finch]

So basically, bet on underdogs, got it.

[lone sequoia]

probably R4 will be the weakest round if people think in R5

[spiral onyx]

For season 2, yeah. No one expected defence teams to be used as attack teams

[copper creek]

Yeah i think

Nobody expected 2.5years of development to be this underwhelming lol

[lone sequoia]

think to improve for people who will play next season... roll for atk and ele, makima is a good flex if you have speed

[sudden drift]

no moran, left wins

[lone sequoia]

ele in laplace, emi and A2 (if someone use her) are a must

[spiral onyx]

I'm just annoyed my 2 years of cooking ended up being wasted on a very different format

The dev notes indicated this would be an advanced SP Arena

[shell hazel]

at least you got through, I appear to have been screwed by sorting RNG 😄

[lone sequoia]

yeah, that s-cks

[spiral onyx]

But actually it's a downgrade

[placid bloom]

Don’t you win round 5? Cinderella is slow enough that you blank with Noah 🤔

And you wipe with Ein

[spiral onyx]

Depends on if the enemy team has charge speed or not

[lone sequoia]

CA was how i thought it will be

the only good change was the cp deficit/penalty

[sudden drift]

https://tenor.com/view/vince-desi-gif-1578780169342097148

[pale knoll]

Didn't you say you liked not having to play it yourself, and just automate it?

[shell hazel]

I also had 5 slightly weaker teams vs 3 stronger ones, where 3 stronger teams looks like the move

[spiral onyx]

I mean, yes, for season 2 lol

But the fact that the mechanics were not released before the most started...

[placid bloom]

2.5RL Cindy should still lose to Noah though because her burst is so delayed, if it was Scarlet it’d be harder to say

[spiral onyx]

No details about how attack works was shared

[sudden drift]

yes if stated up front

90% caught off guard

[spiral onyx]

The key points of defence teams being your attack teams, order of teams are fixed, and you can't change teams between matches, none of these were mentioned but are very important. Even the fact that CP penalty doesn't exist is also extremely important

[wise horizon]

My rapipi is well invested. Replace noir with rapipi.

Emilia, Blanc, red hood, rapiRH, jackal?

[spiral onyx]

I think Season 2 team comps will be very different

[shell hazel]

people will gun for 3 teams close to 2RL and then 2 random teams which are maybe just OK and will body check really poor teams

[lone sequoia]

i had thought about that before people set their teams,that whales with solo raid teams can lose if CA didn't have penalty

but many people with pve teams are still in the tournament

[sudden drift]

and most got rekted

that's not the point

[placid bloom]

Well it’s beta season

[sudden drift]

the point is 2 years in the making... it would have taken them two months to come up with written rules

[placid bloom]

Maybe even more changes

[shell hazel]

they could have sped up the execution of the beta season a bit

as in not having to wait for days between rounds

accelerated test with much shorter gaps to show how it worked, or even a proper run-down somewhere to describe it instead

[sudden drift]

and still lose due to bugs right hippo

[placid bloom]

Well they probably assume people only log in once a day at various time zone so they need fat betting window

[lone sequoia]

i still think that SU used who set their teams first to decide who win in group stage

[shell hazel]

still dead on that, but I'll try and come back to next CA stronger

[placid bloom]

Idk how filled the older leagues are with bots to allow adding more participant

[lone sequoia]

gl

[shell hazel]

mayeb but then if you never edit your teams you'd auto 3 x SPA teams + 2 whatever teams and be 1st in any case 😄

[placid bloom]

The newer ones have too many bots in group stage though

[lone sequoia]

depends in active brackets, each sp bracket have a sub-server range with active accounts at higher sub-server number the range for their brackets should be wider and at some point there is no new brackets to fill the extra spots needed for CA league

[jagged iron]

Any recommendations to beat the team on top?

[shell hazel]

catch cindy nuke with Noah

[sudden drift]

im aiming for C3/C4 based on how my servers C4 is doing thus far

[jagged iron]

No Noah.

[shell hazel]

swipe for Noah

[jagged iron]

[shell hazel]

what speed is that? you could try Indom as well

Indom Scarlet or SBS

[jagged iron]

I have SBS but she’s not leveled properly.

[lone sequoia]

i will try to get in CA after 2 season (if we still have a beta or normal play for each sp season)

[spiral onyx]

Here are my tests using my account vs Noeita. Granted my units have charge speed on them so I'm faster than normal

[placid bloom]

yeah that's why I mean change cutoff from top 4 to top 6 or something, but Idk if current older league has that much free space

[lone sequoia]

the top4 for my main account are +200 sync higher than my main

in my alt people don't sleep

[placid bloom]

interesting, does Noah apply left to right with a delay? 🤔

[spiral onyx]

No, Cindy attacks in multiple hits

So some hits landed before Noah immune, some after

If my opponent doesn't have charge speed lines though, they will probably lose as Noah will probably block all hits

[placid bloom]

I guess that makes sense, Noah isn't instant

[lone sequoia]

if you want to be a champion, you have to count the speed and the dmg

[placid bloom]

I thought it was instant as long as she bursted but I guess you can sneak hits in

[copper creek]

@spiral onyx took the W?

[wet crystal]

I won the bet?! Haven't lost a bet yet yeeee

[spiral onyx]

Cindy is multi hit sequential so she's delayed damage.
Noah's burst is also delayed and can pop up even after Noah dies

Exact timing matters a lot

[coarse solstice]

Holy crap we got there!!!!

[spiral onyx]

Oh I won

[dim escarp]

CHAMPION ARENA FOR ME

[placid bloom]

I think all the high sync players in the low league got knocked out now

[dim escarp]

same here, all the whale didn't make it

[sudden drift]

wow my C4 powered his way though to the finals. very satisfying

[minor pier]

the money pot grows larger... every prediction you guys help me win~

[blissful willow]

@spiral onyx u won?

[shell hazel]

#pvp-arena message
left won. Indom went to Helm in team 2 and team 4 just fell apart and died 😄

[placid bloom]

ye unfortunately it's too easy to redirect Blanc if there's no Jackal to control HP

only takes 1 hit to outdamage RL splash on p2

[final wedge]

@swift mango

exactly what u said

this one lol

[placid bloom]

you got one shot after Rapu revive anyway?

[final wedge]

rapu succesfully revived...but immedieately taken down by Rosanna

[placid bloom]

their Ros must be strong

one shot Scar + Emi

[final wedge]

my Scarlet didnt have time to burst

[waxen tartan]

💀

[final wedge]

its like....losing 0.5 RL just because rosanna burst is killin Scarlet after Rapunzel revived me

[raven plover]

ye cus you have more cs, rapu heal first

[placid bloom]

that was the only outcome, Scar never surviving either way

[final wedge]

stop making its my fault for wheling

[placid bloom]

Emi being water attacker is unlucky too

[raven plover]

its as kisenix predicted, whoever has more cs burst first

[placid bloom]

ez Ros target

[coarse solstice]

Lost indom but somehow got 2 upsets

[waxen tartan]

in round 3 only viper and biscuit died from cinderella burst, how is that possible

[placid bloom]

Cinderella too slow

[final wedge]

My indom match is funny as fk...now I'll count who ill put as a buffer in next season....

I can't believe his drake is the one got indom...ofc my SBS lose

[atomic wolf]

lmao imagine if i win all of this

then kisenix stays blocked permanently

[covert lintel]

[blissful willow]

damn, absolutely swept

[pale knoll]

[blissful willow]

I have 2 union mates in top 8

hopefully they win in global

[spiral onyx]

This was my one loss

[pale knoll]

Expected

[spiral onyx]

I'll record the video in 30 minutes when the new section opens up

[blissful willow]

waiting for it, yeah
its really good to see them imo

[spiral onyx]

My cheer percentage was less than 90% though. People losing faith

[lone sequoia]

never follow the "odds"

[spiral onyx]

I may record all 5x8 matches but that might be too long a video

[waxen tartan]

i didnt, i actually expected R3 to lose

[spiral onyx]

Ok yeah that's a 40-50 minute long video, I'll just show my matches and the damage charts for the others. People can guess what happened based on damage charts

[minor pier]

dang... i didn't imagine it would be this much of a sweep. but thanks to you all, i picked the winner again!

[lone sequoia]

BOOM T1 gave me really good info, the 50/50 there was how much time biscuit S2 is up before rapu b1

[loud sonnet]

My 2nd failed cheer

[covert lintel]

wow he win all!? i thought it will be 3-2
core max still play a big factor here

[lone sequoia]

and research lab

[minor pier]

im one step closer to the frame~
now to wait for the finals.... in 30 minutes!

[lunar dirge]

ez

only had to bet against yourself

[pale knoll]

Easy lost?

[lunar dirge]

[pale knoll]

You gonna go full pvp for next CA? 👀

[lunar dirge]

It wasn't easy loss, would've won with lvl10 on Moran burst/temperance on s.anis

[lunar dirge]

Nope, just lvl 5 ol chests of some units, lvl 10 Moran burst and 7/7/7 noise, oh, and fix soda linking issue

[pale knoll]

[lunar dirge]

After I'm not touching PvP till I decide to do quiry/nero shenanigans

[vapid lake]

E Z

[pale knoll]

Fair enough, for me if they don't change how it works nor the rewards I'll completely disregard pvp

[lunar dirge]

I don't have much left to invest to begin with, so I'll just finish what I started

[pale knoll]

Gl

[spiral onyx]

I just keep cheering myself. It gives me a little emotional boost, ya know?

[main trail]

any changes you make to a nikke that's in champion arena doesn't affect it does it? idr what it said at the start

[spiral onyx]

Correct. Everything is snapshotted

[tulip quest]

9.98% lets goooo crazy bets

[spiral onyx]

CA fights get simulated using virtual copies of your Nikke in a remote server. No Nikke were harmed in the production of this new mode

[tulip quest]

Casino Arena XD

[lunar dirge]

well, I just knew I would get washed

[tulip quest]

shud also be able to Bet stones Core dust ETC ETC Next time so it's more exciting XD

[hushed kelp]

Lmao got no one cheering for me the last three rounds but myself, somehow made it through to top 8!

[tulip quest]

WP

[unique wagon]

No, Scar doesnt get protected by Jackal. Takes too much damage within 2s and Rapu cant heal enough.

I knew he's gonna lose anyway, despite whoever bursts first.

It's guaranteed. If he is faster, Rosa will kill Scar anywyas. If he is slower, Rosa burst first. Both outcomes, he dies.

[unique wagon]

Congrats

[sudden drift]

let the riots ensue

[waxen tartan]

i actually bet against myself lmao. twice

[tulip quest]

Lol bro wp man you were on my bracket last 3 seasons or something

[unique wagon]

Interesting

[onyx scaffold]

he won big but noeita loss hehe

[unique wagon]

I didnt check your result yes but let me guess.

• You win because they cannot burst.
• You win (obvious).
• If you Noise survives, then may the faster CS win.
• You lose.
• You win (same speed) and got Noah. Not sure why you crossed yourself out.

So despite Team 3's outcome, you win 3 times already, so I'm voting you.

[full dew]

tonight, sounds like a fancy word

[unique wagon]

My favorite thing to do is read these results.

And see how accurate my predictions are.

It's not fully accurate, but I'm a good gambler.

[sage field]

Black or green frame?

bruh

got cleaned up by jenny.

[coarse solstice]

Got another one for you to look at

[scenic hatch]

Keripo keeps beating my union members

[pastel owl]

how many shots of RL/SR immue does trina give to P1 scar?
seems the 2nd shot is position dependent

[placid bloom]

2nd shot should always land if no cs I think

1s charge > reload animation > 1s charge

[unique wagon]

Huh

[fiery walrus]

I'm on the left what do you guys think my chances are in game says 15-85 against me. But I think 1 is a win, 2 and 3 are awkward because its similar teams, and I think 4 and 5 are going to be rough for me

[unique wagon]

My guess is Loss Loss Win Loss Win
So I misguessed 2nd

[unique wagon]

You were defending so

[coarse solstice]

It was my results from your prediction yesterday

Right, didn't know if you saw the post earlier and you just said you like seeing the results. Your predictions have been right on

[unique wagon]

Recording 2nd game pls

[coarse solstice]

Will do once I'm on my break

[glacial lion]

sanis survive

[umbral belfry]

made the right call

[unique wagon]

Show comps

[spiral onyx]

Patience, video is uploading

[umbral belfry]

@coarse solstice I told you

[hollow lagoon]

End of the line I feel

[unique wagon]

Comps not replay

[limpid nebula]

prior image too blurry, need some guidance, ty

[spiral onyx]

Wait for and watch the video 😛

[unique wagon]

• Right?
• CS/feed dependent.
• Hard to say
• Win? Loss? Hard to say (invest dependent)
• Also hard to saay

[limpid nebula]

the fourth one, left will revive the anis in time? 4th right seems risky

the first right will moran survive after 2.5RL cindy ulti and indom moran instead of anis

[primal charm]

can we tell who is the attacker chat

[umbral belfry]

should be left

[primal charm]

then 1 2 5 matchup he will be the attacker and 2 4 matchup he defense right?

[coarse solstice]

You did!

[coarse solstice]

I'm on left for my next round

[lunar pawn]

I'm now +2 credits in this CA

Wait no, I'm +12h credits +2 credits

Wait no, I'm +2 credits

Still profit

[unique wagon]

Tf bro tanked Cindy zero dmg

[quick lake]

Its all about the money money money

[coarse solstice]

Bay caught it on the chin

[umbral belfry]

@coarse solstice I got timed out

if you win this rd you might face the 2nd place in my SP arena but p sure you win that

[quick lake]

Glad to see so many ppl in this chat winning

[umbral belfry]

I think you win t1-t3? maybe not t3, it's kinda even

but should be over by t4

[spiral onyx]

https://youtu.be/M-t4IdSncgM

[pastel owl]

which sides win?

[covert lintel]

L R

[late tiger]

left side, both
but bottom one is 50/50, still why does none have cubes

if they had cubes,
top one - left
bottom - right

[oblique ridge]

Cheer successful

[pastel owl]

i cannot know their cubes, its ca

[late tiger]

100% expect jackal has cube

[pastel owl]

but can assume they reasonablly equipped

[late tiger]

same with anis, trina

or rather, just go by the worst case

cuz why not?

[gaunt viper]

Oh believe me, it feels like blasphemy

[cedar orbit]

opinions on this outcome? I think this is the deciding fight in my cheer

[oblique ridge]

Now that I won back what I lost trying to cheer myself at max bet

It’s time to stick to 1 credit bet cheers lol

Did Helm’s burst target highest ATK?

Yeah, it does