pvp-arena

[tropic summit]

probably 2?

[eager mountain]

forgot to put quantum on them

[lone sequoia]

are you top or left or right bottom in CA?

[tropic summit]

day's ruined

[dim sapphire]

anyone have any idea who will win this one, i guess ill go with the first one

more copy and p1 cindy dont benefit here it seem

[eager mountain]

anchor is me

[dim sapphire]

these two are pretty tie up right now, it all comes to last team

[lone sequoia]

then you will attack

try to use top deck for atk and bottom for def next time

[eager mountain]

in fact i only saved one spa team before ca
now im saving ca teams for chat's yapping analysis

[eager mountain]

yeah gonna pay attantion to that next time

[tropic summit]

T1: s.anis should hit ele weak link
T2: your indom will expire before theirs note: blanc may die before bursting tho, in that case might win
T3: slower team, you give them more feed than they do, then rosanna will do its magic, conflicted here as it could be more 50/50
T4: if you snipe noise this is a done deal... if you snipe noah instead you might lose
T5: should theoretically win unless nero + moran are enough to tank your DPS enough

[eager mountain]

wait its the same for spa, i think it makes better sense to put atk on bottom for the sake of that, used to with looking at bottom as atk

[lone sequoia]

R1-50/50
R2 win
R3loss
R4loss (noise snipe win)
R5 a win if your noise/cindy are max and the DR team don't have tempering+sr15

[lunar pawn]

what's a good counter here?

[tropic summit]

water link ele weak

[lusty gull]

i will add share as image deck versus deck soon, probably for next update, it looks really useful now with ca

[tropic summit]

can outdps with s.anis on 2RL

[eager mountain]

my noise/cindy are close to max, their moran nero doesnt have sr 15 just really strong sbs

[lone sequoia]

how many ele lines your sanis have? @eager mountain

[eager mountain]

2 atk 4 elem c7

[lone sequoia]

a win i hope

[eager mountain]

[tropic summit]

if anything you've a chance @eager mountain

a bit of 50/50 and RNG tho

[lone sequoia]

noah p2

sanis S2 proc and emi p4

[lunar pawn]

so I can cook him with my current team or?

[tropic summit]

you should be 2RL, should be fine

[eager mountain]

how will 2rl p3 helm snipe 3rl noah

[lone sequoia]

highest atk

defender/supporter team

[lunar pawn]

yep, easy win, ty

[eager mountain]

noah will need 25% extra atk, rare

[lone sequoia]

still in range to get more atk in defender than supports

[eager mountain]

and likely lower then cindy

but yeah possible

[lone sequoia]

cindy is ff, decoy should get the hit

[tropic summit]

if you're attacking, SR shoot p5
if you're defending, SR shoot p1

[lone sequoia]

top left, looks like top and left will attack and bottom/right defend

[eager mountain]

oh so just regular shots

[tropic summit]

where do you see that?

[lone sequoia]

replays

[tropic summit]

but we don't know if he's attacking or defending now or do we?

[eager mountain]

yeah we all see top/left attacking so far

[tropic summit]

so you won the CA meta

[eager mountain]

[tropic summit]

what a piss poor mode

intern: "sir arena works with attackers and defenders, how the f we fix that in CA"
SU: "coin flip"
intern "wha-"
SU: "just do it"

[pastel owl]

coin flip is better at least its fair

[eager mountain]

they can just make both side target the same

[vapid lake]

[tropic summit]

would probably break whatever garbage code arena runs on anyway

[vapid lake]

-800 gem in 1 day

[eager mountain]

[pastel owl]

now is just based on your initial group number

[lusty gull]

what do you mean by nikke information ?

[jagged sedge]

Am I missing something? I thought Mana had a terrible burst.

[lusty gull]

yeah i already think about that but even if i do something great about it, i don't think it's a good idea because people will probably don't understand how it works so i prefer focus on standard decks

@spare brook

[kind palm]

how about provide link to blablalink for nikke skill info
like a link to here if you have a button on emilia or something https://www.blablalink.com/shiftyspad/nikke/821

[pastel owl]

mana skill 2 inc burst gen, although dunno why grave is even faster

[lusty gull]

they don't provide any api

[lusty gull]

this is possible

[jagged sedge]

I meant he has Mana's burst instead of Scarlet BS

[pastel owl]

that i cannot know, could be a mistake

[jagged sedge]

Yea he messed up I think. Dunno how these people made it to finals

[lusty gull]

ho ok i understand what you mean now, it's a great idea but complicated, still a great idea i could maybe make some research about it

[pastel owl]

maybe face a easier match up or something, you can watch replays

[spiral onyx]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Ofeu2gznJE

[kind palm]

next CA I'm gonna try to use makima

[lusty gull]

thanks

i understand the need of that functionality because of ca and deck versus deck

[kind palm]

can I request a keyboard control input?
like I type nikke name then press enter or spacebar to add them
I think that might be fast to log pvp comps down

[lusty gull]

i use app on tablet and mobile mostly so i don't think about that kind of feature but i can easily add something like press enter then it pick first nikke also tab if multiple nikke to choose an another one

[kind palm]

would appreciate that a lot
thank you so much for your work
would also like a keyboard button to change p1 - p5 here too so I can input 25 nikke first and manage with mouse later

[lusty gull]

ho that is my next feature with share deck versus deck
it will be a drag and drop

[kind palm]

I'm using on pc I would want to use both mouse and keyboard at the same time for faster operation

I'm trying to make variants of team 3 for these 2 main team in SP Arena
I don't know how reliable mana will be in reviving cin after the team took wiping burst

but I'm gonna sleep to wake up to see my opponent took my spot
thank you in advance if anyone can give suggestion

[eager mountain]

which 2 main teams

[spiral onyx]

This is my upcoming opponent

This is my current setup

[eager mountain]

milk

[spiral onyx]

I might actually lose cause of the SG team, need to try it out

[kind palm]

team 1 and 2 are the same on all 4 comps

[eager mountain]

oh im blind and didnt pay attention

[kind palm]

who's defending?
if you press cheer and you are on the left then you are attacking from what I've seen people discuss here right?

[eager mountain]

u dont have blanc?

[kind palm]

can't really afford to use blanc if I have to use 3RL in sp arena she'll get 2RL cin or scar wipe
or do you have any cook?

[dim sapphire]

is this ur real teams

wheres ur xmica

[eager mountain]

3* 2rl is expensive in terms of utility loss if u run any mg
thus if defending, in general, it should be 2 2rl team + a 2.5rl emi team with high cs, if emi bursting then u want blanc with her, other wise should still have blanc since shes meta enough to be in every spa team

[kind palm]

but emi bursting can just be countered by slower noah team and that doesn't eat resource enough for the other 2 team to win

[eager mountain]

for def that helm team is also problemtic since that team doesnt really stall

[bleak shale]

nikke+cover double tick on both after first shot and always hits cover cuz radius increase

[kind palm]

it's meant to be pressure + lifesteal stall
and already got noah for 3sec invul

[eager mountain]

yes ik what u want but u do need dmg reduction or alternative for any spa stall over rapun heal

[kind palm]

forgot to say that I have high sync gap vs my opponent

[eager mountain]

they have higher cp or

[kind palm]

I have

so they can't kill with rosanna

I'm at sync 541+ too

[eager mountain]

but rapun there is just an anti rosa measure

[kind palm]

just trust in xmaiden and laplace auto attack

[eager mountain]

if u have cp advantage u can indeed go further with stall and build a moran team

stonks for your case

since stall is better with cp advantage

[kind palm]

but I'm asking for opinion on team 3

[eager mountain]

or at least make it a noise noah

[kind palm]

my opponent just use their winning atk team as def team so I know team 1 and 2 works kinda well by hitting them back with my new def team to check bad matchup

[eager mountain]

blanc emi would be the simple answer if u dont want 3rl, else go with cindy, both counterable anyways
im leaning toward 3rl noise cindy if u have a decent noise

[eager mountain]

[kind palm]

blanc emi got rekt long time ago and my opponent will still do if I use that

[eager mountain]

slippery lil bastard wanna get in ca now

[eager mountain]

then 3rl noise bis cindy
its better then ud think for a 3rl team

they might not even be able to rh scar trina 2rl nuke u if they are well invested + cp advantage

[kind palm]

but their faster cin would wipe?

I need protection to do B1 B2 B3 if I'm bursting later than them

[eager mountain]

opponent running 2rl cindy is expensive

[kind palm]

so will mana work if like I got scar wipe and she revive cin
while rumani anis get biscuit invul?

[spiral onyx]

If this is true, looks like I am the defender?

[spiral onyx]

Yes. XMica didnt make the final cut, a lot of the recently released units kicked her out

[bleak shale]

left = attacker

[spiral onyx]

SG on attack hit P1 right?

[eager mountain]

use something else like pepper/b2 viper instead of sanis if u dont want anis stealing immune
also good idea to further cp gap if u can force close to deficit range and limit their options

[bleak shale]

yep

[kind palm]

yeah and SR hit p5

[spiral onyx]

ok, then I might be safe, need to test it out in SP/Rookie arena

[pale knoll]

You're rusty?

[kind palm]

I have option to go 561 for massive cp gap but I'm gonna just wait for new campaign

[dim sapphire]

wait what attack sg hit p1?

[spiral onyx]

very sleep deprived atm

[pale knoll]

Yes

[dim sapphire]

well well well u keep learning something new about pvp

[tropic summit]

am I guessing it correctly?

(you're on the left)

[dim sapphire]

privaty will this one

[spiral onyx]

Team 3 and 4 I am uncertain about

[eager mountain]

t4 looks safe enough

[spiral onyx]

Team 1 I am pretty sure I will lose. Thats a full blown Scarlet team comp against my good enough Scarlet team comp

[tropic summit]

T4 i'm confident you'll win, they'll be hitting p1 and mana will ress
T3 i don't think privaty will stun in time

[dim sapphire]

i think privaty one might win

[kind palm]

keripo's emilia is 38% cs right?

[spiral onyx]

no, I didnt need to 38% her

[bleak shale]

i dont think t4 will kill rumani twice before 2rl

[spiral onyx]

38% only matters if you're trying to push for 2RL. Otherwise it does nothing

[tropic summit]

not just that but there's 3AR feed and 1SG for them and you're slower already

[bleak shale]

t3 sanis is going to murder priv/emilia prob

[tropic summit]

yep agreed on both

still 3-2 for keripo i think

[bleak shale]

mostlikely

unless rumani dies twice

[tropic summit]

i don't think that's possible within 2RL

[bleak shale]

if it was mine its possible lb0 with bad OL no doll

his is quite a bit tankier than mine

[tropic summit]

[eager mountain]

t3 is a loss yeah their noah gets double immune so trading noah 3s with priv's wont do

[tropic summit]

s.anis will eat priv and emi alive right after

[kind palm]

can lapT and emilia kill noise at p2 in 3RL time?

[tropic summit]

if elem atk on lapT is high, 3-4 hits is generally enough alone

[eager mountain]

oh right noise is dead

[merry agate]

Right one will win in team 3,4,5. Am i correct?

[tropic summit]

yeah there's a risk that matchup actually goes to priv 🤔

[eager mountain]

since we can assume keripo has good elem

[tropic summit]

just because noise can't even get to 3RL alive

for sure

[sleek root]

Haha yea its happening alot

[tropic summit]

double splash gonna hurt a ton there

[spiral onyx]

Ima just test against Noeita and see lol

[kind palm]

also if enemy need sanis to go for 3RL
and your 3RL got more cs then you might be faster for priv stun?

[tropic summit]

guess we can update to this

[spiral onyx]

Except the Scarlet Jackal T1s. Im 99% sure I will lose that one unless their units are underinvested

[tropic summit]

make it 4-1

[pale knoll]

Your bud?

[spiral onyx]

My PvP punchbag / test dummy / friendly guildie 🙂

[eager mountain]

we all need one of those

[pale knoll]

Btw, could you check if simpuw and wondai are still in your spa and rookie brackets?

[dim sapphire]

where i can get this to make my screenshot easier?

[spiral onyx]

The tricky thing about me vs Noeita tests though is that we're doing things at 860 synchro. Lvl 400 synchro may be a bit different

[tropic summit]

screenshot your enemy/your teams and then use any editing tool (the most standard being paint)

[merry agate]

Nice, as i expect

[tropic summit]

else just use https://nikke-deck.web.app/ and fill the info in @dim sapphire

[umbral belfry]

@coarse solstice @jagged mesa fk this level i'm outta here

[eager mountain]

mfs full of sr15

[tropic summit]

it's done

[tropic summit]

oh ye that's a ton

[jagged mesa]

omg show team/cp

[eager mountain]

gonna use up my truckload of savings next ca

[umbral belfry]

might be doable for you? i had to brute force it bc naga + helm (diff) teams wasn't cutting it bc too much of a cp loss. this is 367k

[tropic summit]

i probably should too... about time i commit to moran/bay/nero but i also wanna wait for siren

[jagged mesa]

ok nvm im nowhere close. my cp with cindy is like 286k... i'd be the lowest cp clear in history if i pulled it off LOL

[umbral belfry]

I believe in you, lock in

[spiral onyx]

T2 is likely a win for me but not 100% sure cause I'm on defence so my SAnis and Drake will target their Rumani. But that will probably make them slower and also have Blanc invuln the wrong target

[tropic summit]

yeah that's my reasoning too, you're messing up their indom target

[eager mountain]

im bricking myself for waiting to use all the normals after sirens in
elysion wistlist still not that great at all anyways ugh

[jagged mesa]

at the very least i'm 238 synchro, so as soon as hard mode event hits, i can get that sweet 241 synchro cp boost

[umbral belfry]

Yeah might be doable at 241

[spiral onyx]

T3 could be a loss depending on their investment level. Fighting against Noah is usually a loss anyway so not surprising

[tropic summit]

yep, but keep in mind you'll delete noise probably

lap+ and emi are hitting p1 and p2, noise in p2

she needs to survive 3RL on ele weak + emi splash

[spiral onyx]

Team 4 should be a win. Rumani and Trina are tankier than Helm and Mana. I'll rerun the test on defence later

[tropic summit]

for sure

[spiral onyx]

T5 is a clean win

[tropic summit]

let's say that on the worse case it's 3-2, best case 4-1

[spiral onyx]

lemme rerun T4 now just to be safe

[tropic summit]

wish i could bet on it

[eager mountain]

could be cuz of too high sync ig

[spiral onyx]

yeah these tests Im doing arent 100% representative of what we'll see in CA with the lvl 400 synchro

[eager mountain]

invested emi + lap not killing 3rl noise is crazy enough to me lol

[merry agate]

Sorry how to know you will be in defence or attack?

[dim sapphire]

you have rapi

[eager mountain]

upper left atk

[eager mountain]

u wont guess why

[dim sapphire]

it was an accident

[eager mountain]

cooking too much can result in impaired eyesight

[spiral onyx]

ok yeah, the 4SG team is not a concern

too flimsy, melts away before burst

even if they burst first, they're bursting with Drake or Noir. Cindy aint gonna die

Gonna rerun T2/3/4 on defence just to be sure. Pretty sure T1 is a loss and T5 is a win

[tropic summit]

mhm sounds about right

i also don't see cindy dying against either of those B3

can I ask you your reasoning in involving Ssakura with scarlet in T1 @spiral onyx , is it to ensure whole enemy team is at least not full HP?

or to remove concealment from a potential rosanna?

[spiral onyx]

Pepper + SSakura is a very strong combination

[spiral onyx]

you're potentially pre-emptively killing off a priority target before burst happens

or at least guaranteeing that they are low enough HP to be killed by Scarlet

that said, the Scarlet team is overall pretty weak for a Scarlet Jackal team

but thats the result of distributing resources and building 5 "decent" teams instead of 3 strong + 2 leftovers

[tropic summit]

oh i see, it makes up for not running usual buffers 🤔

[spiral onyx]

my season 2 teams should be much better now that I know how the attack process works (I was operating under the assumption that the attacker would get to manually craft their attack teams like SP Arena)

[dim sapphire]

any objection here?

this my prediction for my cheer

[unborn latch]

probably best to include the RL for reference

[tropic summit]

yeah like probably most of us

[eager mountain]

🤔 doubt id invest her knowing that we will eventually have better units for 5 teams
i need like one of the 2.5 to be viable for easier team building

[kind palm]

do you know how many proc ssakura can do to scarlet protected by trina? before she burst in like 2RL time?
does first 2 tick get blocked or just 1
but ssakura 3rd tick should hit scar before she use B3
oh cuz it's RL time not time in second ssakura might land like 2-3 hits?

[eager mountain]

yeah would be nice to know

[kind palm]

but pepper surely would hit cuz trina invul ran out

[spiral onyx]

Oof, ok, my T2 might actually lose

[eager mountain]

will sanis live if not crit?

[tropic summit]

T1: i'm leaning more for s.anis team to win, SBS needs time to get going, even more so buffless SBS, s.anis will be already lifestealing after noah 3s expired
T2: this one will depend on s.anis investiment, although it's reasonable to think cindy will outlive
T3: agree
T4: agree
T5: agree

[tropic summit]

oh got stuck on rumani taunt

the indom actually works better that way ironically

[spiral onyx]

Yup , and T3 loses as expected. So it's entirely possible I lose out those matchup. Unfortunate.

[tropic summit]

wow noise survives double splash and ele weak

[eager mountain]

u know what, time to make a sync 400 locked acc to just test CA

[tropic summit]

@spiral onyx what's lappy ele atk%?

[spiral onyx]

If the enemy team has properly invested units, there's a decent chance I will lose this matchup. Unfortunate pairing :/

[tropic summit]

[spiral onyx]

Dunno, probably 4 attack lines and no ele lines

[tropic summit]

oof oke

i saw eon's lappy and she melts in 3 hits enemy noise

[eager mountain]

i expected keripo lap have good elem

[spiral onyx]

I dont have unlimited rocks lol, gotta split investing between UR units and PvP units

[tropic summit]

yeah makes sense

[lunar pawn]

how did I lose this matchup

[spiral onyx]

I dont think the SG match is representative. I feel like Noeita's Rumani and Trina are underinvested

[tropic summit]

double buff SBS is no joke, also rumani ate one of your biscuit s2 stacks, you should've let noah use both

[spiral onyx]

but yeah, we'll see how things play out. There's a decent chance I will lose this matchup cause of how the teams are paired

[tropic summit]

yep priv matchup is likely gonna be a loss afterall, as we've seen from your lappy dmg

the one with s.anis surprises me

very unfortunate indom and taunting

[eager mountain]

just another p2 stealing immune that recently triggers me when everyone doing that

its becoming somthing like cindy p2 to me

[lunar pawn]

I guess, but I also think biscuit would've been deleted next to noah

[full dew]

1 cred on left. Left loses then u can keep your lose streak for frame

[eager mountain]

tho, if its cindy p2 + bis, its more reasonable tbh

[full dew]

Very rng cuz if sanis attacked lappy, blanc will zombie her

[lunar pawn]

not sure how to ideally position this team without biscuit getting killed

[placid bloom]

Rumani taunt redirects from Noah I guess, so she eats the proc early

[tropic summit]

you don't need to be fast there, as you're letting SBS be indommed, may aswell go for 3RL with sustain and ensurance for biscuit to stay alive

if your rapu is not invested, run noah biscuit cind rapu helm instead, rapu will revive biscuit and she'll have enough time to apply s2 to noah

@lunar pawn example of how to use revive to ensure noah gets 2 biscuit s2s

[lunar pawn]

going with this then

[tropic summit]

temperance on noah
vigor on rapu and biscuit
w/e on cindy and helm

[tropic summit]

i only put noah and another defender close to each others when i know i don't have to clutch with twice biscuit s2 on same unit and just to avoid that

[eager mountain]

noah bis helm in same team makes it one of the most expensive teams u can have and literally bricking other teams
go with either no bis 2rl noah and spare bis to other team without really changing this teams functionality in 2rl, or spere thelm to other team and make this 3rl noise and still can win some 2rl nuke, and can easily slot a p2 that doesnt steal immune

[placid bloom]

that's not a 2x defender issue no? It's just Rumani naturally taunts at FB, which overwrites Noah's taunt at B2?

[lunar pawn]

running scar trina 2RL for the other attack team already

[tropic summit]

yes and no, once invulnerable unit runs out, SBS will hit hard as you don't deny distributed anymore

you want the unit to taunt to be invulnerable to deny distributed dmg

he'll still need to tank last slash at the end of indom, but it shouldn't be lethal

[dim sapphire]

another one

my prediction

[placid bloom]

well it was moreso Rumani and Noah's invuln ticking at the same time, where normally the p2 would be healthy enough to not proc Biscuit until p1 dies

might be RNG on which tier of SBS's proc is landing in the window where you get 1 slash in though

[tropic summit]

ye and that's the problem, you want 1 unit to last very long on invulnerable

5s (first s2) 3s (noah) 5s (second stack)

proccing both will kill your last 5s, meaning you tank around 5s of double buff SBS full front

which is what killed doppel earlier

[dim sapphire]

tho im not sure about t2 since most likely sanis will win

im just trying to keep it simple, i'd assume emilia will have enough time to survive from sanis

[tropic summit]

same speed s.anis noah vs emilia rh will have the other side die to nuke

you need to be 1RL slower to prevent emi nuke to hit

[dim sapphire]

so emilia will win

[tropic summit]

in this case yes, same speed

[lone sequoia]

@tropic summit can you explain the crosses/x?

[pastel urchin]

Any smart pvp people know, why doesn't Trina in this vid give scarlet invulnerability? Is it because that team is on defense and scarlet is to the right of trina?

[tropic summit]

keep in mind that if it's a bricked emilia, single buff sometimes won't be enough, even more so against dmg red (noah) and noise

they could potentially survive it, but it's dependant on investiment we don't know about (minus maybe the dolls)

[tropic summit]

the crossed out teams are those that lost

[placid bloom]

you only get it for first 2 sec of the fight

[lone sequoia]

dead team, ok

[pastel urchin]

Oh

[pastel urchin]

Ic

[tropic summit]

scarlet is immune from 0RL to 1RL

after 1RL she starts taking damage

[pastel urchin]

[tropic summit]

[pastel urchin]

[placid bloom]

man was praying on Rapu P1 stun

unfortunately he underestimated how much dmg lv400 can do

got gunned down on the spot

[pastel urchin]

Not my acc but anyway he made it further than me kek, shoulda put scarlet 1st

Isn't his burst mad slow tho? That's 2.5rl

[placid bloom]

ye

maybe he thought he could survive with CP gap

[pastel urchin]

[oblique ridge]

A lot of current mishaps and upsets can be attributed to CP gap thinking

Like maybe they see the team's slightly iffy but it has very high power - because they subbed someone for a higher power

RIP

That won't happen in season 2

Another source of mishaps and upsets are the Attacker or Defender coin flip shenanigans ShiftUp is putting us through

And of course, everybody's favorite: Tiebreakers

Though it won't happen again since we're past groups

[crystal flicker]

90% cheer the other guy lmao

[placid bloom]

it's okay, season 1 is gonna be Soda coinflip

[unborn shuttle]

what is the char roles that pvp needs in each team? i asked before on the teams i should use and i never understood why these random chars get used

[oblique ridge]

Depends on what you're countering or hoping to counter. Or the strength you're hoping to exploit

Team Cinderella wants to exploit her burst and her very high damage basic attacks once team enters Burst Stage 3 (meaning when team is ready to unleash B3 burst)

[crystal flicker]

I started to think that they should make a proper betting system

[unborn shuttle]

so basically defense is useless if the person can counter ur 2 teams?

[crystal flicker]

This 9:1, I should get more credits (500K bet)

[oblique ridge]

And team RH is counting on Biscuit to render defenders immune and lead to unleashing the SBS's burst to wipe enemy team without being too vulnerable to AoE blockers like Noah's invincible on the enemy team

Jackal's there to help burst gen and keep SBS alive

And the last team... is confusing even for me.

Looks like CP pad team

[unborn shuttle]

yeah, i can never hope to understand the synergies

[unborn shuttle]

i had very little chars at the time

[placid bloom]

it's just your fillers, that is a throwaway team

[unborn shuttle]

should i post my chars here again so i can update my teams?

[placid bloom]

you expect that one to lose so you focus on first 2

because if you split resources you might not even be able to hold def for first 2 teams

[unborn shuttle]

i c

[oblique ridge]

I'm actually impressed by CA's design. I think it's done very well

[unborn shuttle]

what is essentially the priority of teams to build for each content? main campaign > kraken then...?

[oblique ridge]

The bugs or confusion, no, though. Tiebreakers, attacker vs defender coinflip, these two are problems

But the rest seems like it can be a fun experience

[crystal flicker]

I should get more credits tho, if it's a proper betting

[oblique ridge]

It probably didn't want to let rewards runaway or bankrupt players

Imagine betting 500m credits

[unborn shuttle]

?

[unborn shuttle]

ill ask this on #questions later, should be a more proper channel

[tropic summit]

then you decide if you want to SR or PvP, i'd say get SR up to where you can comfy reach below 3%

then you can spare stuff for PvP

[unique wagon]

🚫

[unborn shuttle]

pvp has more gems, doesnt it?

given more often atleast

[tropic summit]

2.7k if you're ch4-ch6, 3k if you're above ch3

SR 3% and above is at least 1.1k gems

[unique wagon]

🚫

[tropic summit]

although let's listen to what Kise thinks

[unique wagon]

[tropic summit]

he has been playing nikke since way before me afterall, listen to seniority

[unborn shuttle]

i mean, top 3 on special is 3k every 2 weeks? while solo raid is 1.1k every 1 month

atm im getting 55 points ranking

[tropic summit]

@unique wagon enlighten him, i'm about to head to bed but would like your opinion

[unique wagon]

Thats just skill issue

[unborn shuttle]

which is 1600 gems

[unborn shuttle]

wdym with skill issue

[unborn shuttle]

gn

[unique wagon]

1100?

[unborn shuttle]

3%

[unique wagon]

[unborn shuttle]

i have no way to get even 10% with sync 276

[vapid lake]

Dw kisenix assumes every single person on this server has been playing since launch and has the same amount of resources as week 1 players

[unique wagon]

30% is low

[unborn shuttle]

where'd u get 30% from?

[umbral crown]

i get 13-15% and i have been playing for 1.2 years

[unborn shuttle]

yeah, see????

[unique wagon]

Do you swipe

[vapid lake]

U are one of the weird ppl that play a gacha game for its pvp

[umbral crown]

sometimes

[unique wagon]

Yhats skill issue

[umbral crown]

and costumes

[unique wagon]

[vapid lake]

Throw all ur pvp investments into raid units and u'd be 1% or higher

[umbral crown]

[unborn shuttle]

i think kisenix woke up today and said: "im going to troll on #pvp-arena "

[umbral crown]

i just do the CA mode: Auto and hope for the best

[warm monolith]

Will there be another banner or aniv after chrust banner?

[eager mountain]

back to using rosy tag

[sinful sapphire]

How do you predict who is going to win in championship arena? Any tips?

[unique wagon]

PvP:

• A losing war if you have lots of spenders in your bracket. Possibly low return for high investments.
• Either investing in PvP is worth it or it's not. Tessa knows some accounts are luckier, and accounts rerolled during big events have higher competition.
• If can hold Top 3/6/10, may have reason to invest. Make sure to invest as little as possible for that next gem breakpoint.
• PvP is invest-dependent in early syncs due to dolls giving tons of CP. Just CP gap and build decent teams.
• Most good units are restricted to PvP only.

Solo Raid:

• Unit variety dependent. People who spend ($5/mo at least) get advantaged, especially starters. PvP is also dependent but less.
• Except for niche units like ExiaTr and ViperTr, usually investing in Raids means investing in all PvE game modes (and sometimes PvP). Units with high presence in various game modes should be prioritized because they can carry all of your content.
• Need PC. No PC? Need laptop. No laptop? Need good tablet, phone for 60 FPS. No 60 FPS? There is no reason to push higher too much.
• Gems scale up exponentially after 3%, which means once you reach 1% or 0.5%, you should focus on Raids at all costs.
• If you have skill issue, don't bother playing Raids.

[crystal flicker]

Seniority is a myth

[crystal flicker]

Analyze each comp

That's how I cheer the minority and win lmao

[unborn shuttle]

i c, so pve is better for me, even if i have 40ish fps lmao

especially since yk, tower exists too

[eager mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/tales-of-zestiria-toz-tales-of-series-edna-step-on-me-gif-21867177

^Not much of a myth if it’s something like this:

[unique wagon]

Units that have high presence should be prioritized for investments

Don't invest in units like Jackal

Just for PvP

[unborn shuttle]

yeah, i read that

[unique wagon]

If you don't need it

Well some day you will

[unborn shuttle]

well, ill focus on pve ig atleast for now since tower is a thing too

[unique wagon]

But investing in Scarlet, Cindy, Rapipi, SBS, Alice, Blanc, SAnis, Trina* (if have Scarlet at least), All Shotguns (esp. if have Tove), are all okay.

You can use Noah without investments too if you have Biscuit.

[unborn shuttle]

yeah, all of those are invested except blanc, sanis trina scarlet (dont have any of them) and shotgns

focusing on the meta first

lemme send my roster here and tell me which to invest next, hold on

[unique wagon]

But if investing in PvP allows u to hold Top 10/6/3 there may be reason to invest in Jackal Noah Rumani even for CP. The problem is whether that will brick ur PvE.

But careful of sunk cost fallacy and low returns over long term

[unborn shuttle]

yes i know i have low gems for anniv but i have 500 mileage so dw

which should i invest next for pve?

alice, sbs, asuka w, rh, crown, cind, rrh, naga are the most invested skills wise

while sbs and asukaw are the most invested lines wise

i was focusing on quency/lyud/helm for tower and water since thats my weakest atm but idk if thats "optimal"

[unborn shuttle]

maybe i should ask on #questions instead? but since we were already talking about pve i asked here

[unique wagon]

Siren duh

[unborn shuttle]

do we even know what she does

[unique wagon]

Save

[unborn shuttle]

ig i should save resources for now, but still

which to invest after her

[unique wagon]

Skills? Probably Grave (skills only ok)

Ein

Laplace is fine for some pvp help

Maxwell (skills only)

Xmaiden

[unborn shuttle]

do u even use her outside of raids tho?

[unique wagon]

No but shes needed in Raids 2nd best B2

If you dont count Maids

[unborn shuttle]

i c
would it not be better to focus a bit on lyud/quency/thelm for towers atleast a bit tho? i mean, those are pretty bricked

sometimes i cant even do 20k cc above

[unique wagon]

Oh yeah xlud too

What are u lacking in helm

U alr gave her everything

[unborn shuttle]

treasure should amp her ig

[unique wagon]

And qquency is not worth it in pve

Qquency is a wrong investment

From someone who has good quency

[unborn shuttle]

hmm, but how do i do missilis tower then?

[unique wagon]

Her returns are bad

Well as you guessed, quency

[unborn shuttle]

but ur contradicting urself then?

[unique wagon]

Actually no, BiS is Ein + Maxwell

[unique wagon]

No, tower is useless

[crystal flicker]

Should I just upgrade OL to level 5 or go OL other PvP unit for CA?

[unborn shuttle]

maxwell??????????????????????

[unique wagon]

Yes for atk buff

[unborn shuttle]

what is the 2nd dps tho

[unique wagon]

And sniping bosses altho sometimes qq is needed for water weak and glasses

Maxwell

[unborn shuttle]

oh

[unique wagon]

[unique wagon]

Level 5 is useless for cp padding now after inflation.

[unborn shuttle]

wdym with its useless?

its a good source of gems

[unique wagon]

Its either 3 for stat or better move on.

[unique wagon]

Once you reach endgame you will realize its pointless

At one point you will inevitably build enough good units for all towers

That you have decent pushing comps (despite not being best)

[unborn shuttle]

i c, so in the end focus on other things

[unique wagon]

And investing further is just not BEI

[unborn shuttle]

alr, so theres this all
is there anything else?

[unique wagon]

When DieselTr was released

People built her for tower. I know that was dumb.

Because at one point we will get broken Elysion anyways.

And sure we did, well 7 months later.

[unborn shuttle]

actually, if i get either blanc or rouge from pulls i can get the other one since i still have the selector

i assume this is the next priority?

[unborn shuttle]

damn, that still sucks

[unborn shuttle]

actually, @unique wagon make a order of priority with invest please

[unique wagon]

That's the reason why I never mentioned Tower in guides unless it comes in passing. Investing in Tower often yields fewer returns compared to what you invest in, in the long run.

[unborn shuttle]

grave skills >...?

[unborn shuttle]

got it, that makes sense

noted

[unique wagon]

Idk order of invests is dependent on ur account and the situation

[wooden geode]

can I win this? I feel like I won't get Noah burst off in time

[unique wagon]

Still not sure how Liter is quite uninvested there unless thats just diff from not having OL

[unborn shuttle]

i c
ill ask later then when i need to
thanks for everything

[unborn shuttle]

shes 747 and missing 2 ols

[unique wagon]

No.

[crystal flicker]

Do you think Moran can help them survive from Scarlet?

[unique wagon]

Yes.

[crystal flicker]

It's 2RL with feed tho

[unique wagon]

Actually CS dependent.

[crystal flicker]

Feels like Scarlet Blanc is stronger than Scarlet Trina for CA

[unique wagon]

Wait no left is not 2 RL, right wins.

Its 3 RL even

[crystal flicker]

3RL vs 2.5RL (Potentially 2RL with feeds)
Thanks!

[unique wagon]

Actually if right is 2.5 or 3 RL idk at this point

[unique wagon]

For all PvP

Technically but Blanc 2 RL is hardly doable

[eager mountain]

scar trina is simply a cheap approach

[wooden geode]

how do I beat this team? Faster Noah? Sanis stall?

[eager mountain]

that scar burst aint gonna kill anything, also avoid sanis into scar in general

double buff emi is the usual appraoch

also ur noise serves no purpose but feeding with taunt for that team

[wooden geode]

emilia isn't built fo me

[vapid lake]

Sbs team

[eager mountain]

ye just sbs if no emi

[wooden geode]

like this?

[vapid lake]

No shotgun into scarjack

Noir replace with helmT if u have her

[eager mountain]

tbh i dont even know tf his opponent is cooking

wastubg scar jack with p1 noise and p4 4rh

[wooden geode]

this is not high up on the ladder lol

[vapid lake]

It rookie arena 🫵

See the 5 button at the bottom

[crystal flicker]

Scarlet Trina 2RL

[wooden geode]

no trina

[eager mountain]

brain damage team comp for such sync

[vapid lake]

Most normal ppl dont care about pvp

look at the number of lv 400-500 ppl in CA that have 0 clue how to build team

[crystal flicker]

3RL Noah

[eager mountain]

[vapid lake]

Ppl like us who chat here are not normal ppl

[eager mountain]

ik we are insane

i just hope more ppl are insane

[wooden geode]

wee

[vapid lake]

[eager mountain]

[wooden geode]

yeah after the noah's finished the team kind of folded

same thing should work?

[vapid lake]

No

Sbs hard countered by defender+biscuit

This a job for sanis

[wooden geode]

why is that?

[vapid lake]

Sbs hitting invulnerable target make her distribute 0 dmg to everyone else

Biscuit turn noah invulnerable for 10 sec

[wooden geode]

oh interesting, so dist dmg doesn't aoe, you deal dmg to someone and that amount of dmg gets dist

[eager mountain]

tbh im still doubting whether i should sbs or sanis in one of the ca teams
chose sanis cuz of higher investment

since its blind team and they both have their issues but at least sbs aint getting sukura'd

[vapid lake]

i used sanis in moran + 4 shotgun team

[eager mountain]

ill likely run sanis moran bis next ca

if i put sbs it will be if i gave up getting another stall comp with helm burst

[eager mountain]

pvp is a mode that u can learn something new everyday by yapping here

thats why its a far better endgame mode then raids imo

[vapid lake]

Trying to turn someone insane

[eager mountain]

[wooden geode]

not sure who to use for the spares on the right here

[eager mountain]

rookie still sanis best mode

[crystal flicker]

I feel like Rapi will delete ScarBS before they bursting

Rosanna will burst only after Rapipi burst, unless Anis die and activate sacc gen

[eager mountain]

anis def gonna die if pepper hitting her

oh shes dead anyways not even invested

i want to sacc with anis as well in ca but shes already decently invested

[crystal flicker]

Neon

[eager mountain]

pascal

[crystal flicker]

Neon clip sg tho

[pale knoll]

Right winning

[crystal flicker]

Seems so, if the sacc works

[pale knoll]

Anis defo dying

[eager mountain]

will need 2 other clip sg
pascal still slight higher gen and can gen even more per 0.25 rl
or is it 0.33

[vapid lake]

when in doubt always helmT shes god

[crystal flicker]

The current prediction is W/W/L/L/ so this tie breaker

[eager mountain]

sanis wont wanna die too early as team might need her 2nd hit

but lol shes dead before 2nd hit for sure if pepper hitting her

[bleak latch]

Rapunzel investments worth it

[swift mango]

If Rapipi team is the one to attack and kill Anis, Rossana will burst first

I mean, not really first but still faster than it should be...

[crystal flicker]

I dunno what Pascal did tbh

[swift mango]

Pascal give good burst gen

[eager mountain]

[lucid zenith]

Any prediction help with this one please? I think L L L? W W, not really sure about team 3
Left side will be defending

[unique wagon]

I think Noise Bay HelmTr might be the new SpA champion

Or Moran Bay

Both can completely counter Cindy and Scar comps

Scar being its CS dependent

[eager mountain]

🤔

so noah blanc bay b2 over trina ig

[unique wagon]

No

Biscuit SAnis is slightly better

Moran/Noise Bay HelmTr counters Cindy and Scar but gets countered by 2 B3 comps

[swift mango]

Hit defending on burst speed that it could counter scar and Cindy or not. Same speed, maybe. Slower, nope. Much faster? Hell no.

[unique wagon]

2 RL

But well Rosa exists

[eager mountain]

L leaningL Donno W W

[unique wagon]

Problem is just

[swift mango]

Then will lose to 3rl Cindy. Easy. Even 2rl Cindy will just normal attack Over Noise and your whole team. I did it and post video here before

[unique wagon]

What comp against what comp

[umbral crown]

like how many people would use sakura or even think to give sakura OL + doll

[eager mountain]

🤔 noah bis bay?

[swift mango]

2rl Noise+Bay+X vs Noah+Cindy 2rl?

[unique wagon]

Moran Bis SAnis is best comp so far

Counters Cindy and potentially Scarlet

SAnis needs tempering tho

And Moran Biscuit investment matter

[eager mountain]

moran team all investment intensive

my question would be is bay/bis strong enough to be used over blanc

[unique wagon]

How about Noise Bay HelmTr LaplaceTr u sure?

U will lose auto attack war tbf

[swift mango]

Moran+Biscuit+ASS will be wiped by Noise+Cindy. It doesn't matter investment, more about core.

[unique wagon]

Thats called investment

It matters bro

[swift mango]

Both since same core, ASS will be wiped.

[eager mountain]

skill issue, get c7 sanis

[unique wagon]

Not if u dont bring Noah

SAnis will lifesteal between hits

Forcing Noah is super good already

Trust the process

[swift mango]

Doubt. But Noah often go with Cindy anyway, you don't force anything in auto battle RNG.

[ivory spoke]

Guys, how do I beat the Exia comp?

[unique wagon]

Alex yestetday team SAnis almost survived Noise Cindy but he forgot to use Tempering

[swift mango]

almost

He was so confident he would win.

[eager mountain]

i fear that u dont

[ivory spoke]

[pale knoll]

NA?

[ivory spoke]

Yes

[unique wagon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/946720097031045161/1359859854591922196/silverwolf_justpull.gif

[ivory spoke]

I won

[swift mango]

Well, if you don't use Noah with Cindy, it would be Blanc or Crown, so even more DMG.

I don't think you could "heal between" Cindy snapshot though. You could see the number usually but Idk if it interact like the number showed.

[gentle harness]

Gotta run Elegg, Elegg, Elegg, Elegg and Elegg. Don't screw up the order, it's very important the right unit is in the right place. Only thing that can beat a gamer girl is another gamer girl, and don't forget to check CP before.

[oblique ridge]

3rd you should lose horribly because his raiding BS Scarlet will have 80% ele dmg and 30-40% atk % attacking into your unlucky Iron Bunny Soda

You'd have to burst by the time BS Scarlet finishes her 3rd attack, or I think Bunny Soda will die.

Assuming Bunny Soda survives the first two hits

[swift mango]

I wish I could use Elegg in Arena....

Elegg treasure when? Her skill 2 would activate at start of the map.

[unique wagon]

It does hits in order

Thats why now Blanc and Noah can block

[lucid zenith]

Ty that makes sense, end of the road for me then

[swift mango]

Yeah, the number is in order but Idk if it counts. Since that snapshot is weird.

[oblique ridge]

I just realized I assumed you were on the left team. You might be the right side team. Good luck if you are

[coarse lake]

It counts, heals are heals

[lucid zenith]

Nah I am left

[coarse lake]

Moran biscuit Sanis sounds good and all, until your entire team gets 1 shot by a helm buffed emi

[oblique ridge]

Who's Emi

Ein?

[bleak shale]

Iirc they updated her burst to be dynamically updating didn't they?

In one of the patch notes

[unique wagon]

Cant. Need RH and Blanc as well.

[oblique ridge]

I counter your Elegg with Exia

[swift mango]

I think that update only affects interaction with Noah and Noah alone.

Other units stay the same.

[oblique ridge]

And eveyrone knows that five Exias will form an Exiadus!

[unique wagon]

Blanc Emi RH Helm comp is not something u see in champs too anyways

So no point

[coarse lake]

Tell that to my sanis

[bleak shale]

Sounds weird for it to be a specific bandaid fix than a full change

[unique wagon]

Tempered?

[oblique ridge]

A fix? Is it recent, like today or yesterday?

[coarse lake]

Who TF tempers sanis

[swift mango]

Funny how they protect Noah so much that they made a whole patch fix just to buff Noah.

[oblique ridge]

I'm out of the loop atm

[unique wagon]

Are u dumb

[coarse lake]

Where resil

[unique wagon]

[ivory spoke]

Exodia Exia pvp comp clear

[unique wagon]

You dont need Resil for SAnis Burst

The more you know

now u know and stop making the same mistake

Just saying SGs dont benefit on any reload speed above 70%

Thank me later

[coarse lake]

I'm fairly sure you still do for max dps, but either way that tempering isn't saving me from a Blanc rh emi

[unique wagon]

No, u dont. It makes no difference if both cubes are the same level.

[swift mango]

It fixed interaction between, XMaiden, S.Sakura and Cindy burst to Noah. So Noah could catch their 2nd shot onward if fast enough....

Someone in the SU management team must have a huge life size Noah in their bedroom.

[bleak shale]

Or did they make it so it's all dynamic and picked Noah as an example

I haven't tested it so I dunno, it's possible tho

[unique wagon]

SG atk spd is capped at 0.66s between shot. SAnis reload is 2s. 70% reload spd puts that at 0.6s already. She has ~75% from Burst + S1.

[rustic parrot]

what does the bottom left square mean?

[unique wagon]

In PvE u do need resil tho

[unique wagon]

Charge speed OL

[coarse lake]

[swift mango]

I think everything else stays the same. From what I remember from comments at the time.

[unique wagon]

I will talk to Keripo about this and get this straight but SAnis in offburst does need Resilience.

[coarse lake]

I'll test it myself later in pvp, but I'm still dying to probably even Blanc emi

[bleak shale]

Until I see vid I dunno, I trust random people as far as I can throw them

[swift mango]

It was from Eon comment at the time based on a video. But yeah.

I won't search that out.

[coarse lake]

They made invuln unable to be snapshot bypassed

That's it

[unique wagon]

Moran invested or no.

[bleak shale]

i remember when fps -> fire rate was a thing every patch some1 told me they fixed it for like half a year every time i loaded up my game put 30fps limit and went "i can already see a difference from my eyeballs"

[bleak shale]

does it dynamically update damage reduction? or defense

[coarse lake]

Not that much at the time, but Helmt still buffs less than even blanc

[coarse lake]

Probably not

[bleak shale]

should be able to see it from 2 moran hits?

[coarse lake]

Haven't tested, it still snapshot ignores bay link

[swift mango]

[coarse lake]

Bay link activating midway is fully ignored

[bleak shale]

[cerulean cargo]

How does this team work?

[coarse lake]

Afaik it's full snapshot except obeys indom and invuln

[swift mango]

Yeah, I remember that video. Maybe from Rheax or yourself.

[coarse lake]

Can still heal midway since that doesn't affect Cindy DMG calc

[umbral crown]

in a moran biscuit sanis?

[near plank]

1-2-5 left win, or -2-3-4 right win

which side are you on,
Peopel are very split in this bracket

[sick plank]

you have less cp so you got tapped, that's about it

cp penalty

[cerulean cargo]

Zamn

[coarse lake]

Left wins 2 if that's 2rl

No brainer

[near plank]

its 2 rl i checked the replay

[bleak shale]

so ur just looking at team 2 basically

[near plank]

but a lot of people keep saying scarlet still beats that

[bleak shale]

if bay blocks scarlet scarlet explodes

[coarse lake]

If bay blocks it it's over

[bleak shale]

along with jackal link

[coarse lake]

Not enough splash to break cover

[near plank]

this

said team in action

[bleak shale]

.

[coarse lake]

Also chance Trina dies to lapt

[near plank]

look at all the people saying right

[coarse lake]

I saw scar blow up even when link didn't get sniped, unlinked scar, still win bc of lifesteal diff

Left wins that fight

[near plank]

linked = helm just kills 3 people instead of 1

the damage mult on that single target is insane

[oblique ridge]

You are below top team by 7,353 or so power.

Just by taking a multiple of 5, it'd be 36,500+ power (meaning, 5 x 7,353). This rough, crude approximation trick means you were somewhere close to 20% power deficit (you were weaker than enemy team by this much).

You'd need to avoid being at 15.4% power deficit, to avoid suffering a significant stats penalty on your team.

Additionally, "the reason the enemy team has more power", could be that they're better geared, skill levelled, etc. If you look, his Neon and Anis have blue dolls (blue heart symbol). It helps a bit.

So they likely murdered your units fast. Really fast. Check the damage dealt by Neon and Anis.

[bleak shale]

yea but even if u dont kill 3 people their dmg is really kinda mid after u nuke scarlet

[near plank]

scarlet has like 800% damage aoe
helm has 8000%

[coarse lake]

Doesn't matter even if helm doesn't kill anyone, lifesteal wins

[near plank]

[bleak shale]

non burst rh, jackal, rapunzel and centi vs helm with charge dmg buff and tons of healing + laplace dmg

[swift mango]

Weird luck but okay, should I reroll this alone + 1 useless dispatch.

[bleak shale]

really 1sided

[bleak shale]

generally i stop rerolling when im below 5 slot

[near plank]

dude rerolling dispatch

[bleak shale]

cuz im poor

[near plank]

[coarse lake]

I always reroll

[swift mango]

Whale calling himself poor.

[bleak shale]

i almost always reroll once

[coarse lake]

I don't use gems that often, need doll mats

[swift mango]

So you never stopped

[bleak shale]

wym im the opposite of whale

[oblique ridge]

I just did the math for you so why not. You actually had 16.68% deficit. RIP

[coarse lake]

Yup... Sometimes over 10+ rerolls a day

[umbral crown]

i can confirm this, thats how i lost

[coarse lake]

Others gem in pvp, I gem in pve

[swift mango]

For what?

[coarse lake]

Doll exp

Sometimes bad luck

[bleak shale]

look at these rich people rerolling 10x

[coarse lake]

I keep going until all A tier or higher

[umbral crown]

indeed rich people

[swift mango]

What is your daily target? Because I only reached 350-400 max before.

[coarse lake]

2 purple, gold box, or flat purple or gold are all that I accept

I just keep going until no more needed

I'm sure there has been a day it took 20+ rerolls

[swift mango]

6 star doll box is better than 1 purple box.

[coarse lake]

I take neither

[median sigil]

does anyone know how to counter this lineup on rookie arena?

[coarse lake]

I get a lot of core dust and cred boxes as a result though

A lot of the time my regulars end up only dust, cred or gems

[glad glade]

Just to be sure, is my prediction correct? I really want that unlucky frame for Cindy and I gotta double check to see if it’s correct since the majority is voting for the other way around

[swift mango]

I reroll out Credit box when I used that much Gem. No reason to keep 2 credit box when I could roll for 2 Core dust box.

[coarse lake]

I need it so I never see cred wall

Although with champ who knows, if next season is no cred loss on lose, yeah going full dust

[cerulean cargo]

ty

[swift mango]

Well, Just focus your target to credit, like battle data exchange to credit. Core dust box still have 3 time more value than Credit box because government boxes exist.

Also, spare currency from event to credit.

[rustic parrot]

so how bad is this? just started tweaking arena teams and most of my pvp units are uninvested

[coarse lake]

Quite bad

Main thing you're forgetting about is burst order, it's left to right

Trina rapu doing nothing

ViperT is reenter, delaying your b3

[oblique ridge]

Cross out is losing team?

[coarse lake]

RL have splash, if there are units on both side of primary target, they get more gen. No matter who out of Noah noise is taunt prio, you're giving enemy rls taunted by it extra gen

[glad glade]

Yep. Sorry if I wasn’t clear about that

[oblique ridge]

The left two losses seem accurate. The right's losses... hmm

[coarse lake]

Has anyone seen a case of p2 biscuit dying before burst in Moran biscuit Sanis comp

[oblique ridge]

Nvm I'm blind

[coarse lake]

Like if facing lapt

[raven plover]

Im about to find that out on my next CA battle

[oblique ridge]

I think the only dubious prediction is the enemy X Maiden S Anis one losing. Why do you think it'll lose?

[glad glade]

I asked earlier about that team. The guy who responded told me that right’s Xmaid will burst while left’s sanis will do so

[oblique ridge]

Yes. It'll happen that way. And X Maiden's burst will do multiple hits instead of one big chunk

And very few since she's only got like 1 mana, or 2

[coarse lake]

Do ping me with vid

[oblique ridge]

Yeah, I missed that X Maiden would be bursting, and not S Anis

I guess it's all accurate if no surprises

The predictions

[glad glade]

Dw, I missed that the first time too

Thanks man

[swift mango]

Rerolling for meta units like Jackal suck... Keep getting tier 1-2 lines. Like they learn my behavior pattern.

[coarse lake]

Tf you doing

Cp padding for SP or something?

[swift mango]

Lock blue line to attribute roll for more CS+ATK because they are very low tier lines?

I have like 6 tier 1-2 lines on Jackal and it doesn't improve.

[coarse lake]

[swift mango]

Super low CP despite 3 lines on all gear. More than 100 rock on her already.

[coarse lake]

Bro I didn't even spend that much for my 101 ele 41 atk 3 ammo lines Cindy

[swift mango]

You are lucky, I don't.

Game bully mine Jackal and Scarlet roll because it know I'm Arena main.

[oblique ridge]

This is a Jackal reroll? What are you chasing?

[crystal flicker]

Should I upgrade Bay or Soda or Moran?

[quick lake]

either soda or moran

[oblique ridge]

Upgrade in what way? Breakthroughs?

[crystal flicker]

OL

[coarse lake]

btw can you send me the vids of your fights with your moran sbs bay comp? fights vs actual passable teams at least

[rustic parrot]

ok i tried to use a bit more 🧠

[coarse lake]

one one of my cooks is very similar, I wanna know how well it can do

[coarse lake]

I would run noah on cindy and trina on scar

unbuffed scar will have to rely on doing counters while stalling to kill anything

[raven plover]

[coarse lake]

p1 rapunzel could die quick, and then you got no backup

at least use rumani over anis as a backup b1

[swift mango]

Any line that's > tier 5???

[bleak shale]

could prob just p1 blanc and if she dies rapu reses

[coarse lake]

yeah p1 blanc is is safer generally

[rustic parrot]

thanks i can't really climb since i'm in a day 1 server but i'm trying to at least make some teams lol

[swift mango]

Weird that you know I use Moran +SBS+Bay for CA

[coarse lake]

I saw one of your vids from another server, they're fighting you today

[low pivot]

I’ve been getting my ass beat lately and struggling to stay in top 10. Any advice (I know very little about PvP builds)

[crystal flicker]

remove MG

Avoid CIndy P1

[swift mango]

@coarse lake

[merry agate]

What your Rapunzel investment here?

[coarse lake]

you're fighting higher sync yeah? also what's moran invest

also have you tested sanis over sbs in how fast they kill stall teams?

[low pivot]

Messed up on the screenshot. From left to right are my strongest available nikkes

[coarse lake]

also is your sbs higher hp than xmaiden? kinda weird she's the last one of the 4 alive

[swift mango]

Well,same synch range. That 2nd scar team is very highly invested. Crown is max core and Scarlet also high core.

[oblique ridge]

Is this for CA? If you're trying to gain more power padding, know that deficit penalty doesn't happen in CA

[coarse lake]

rare no reset day

one of these days happens like... not even once a month

[swift mango]

Jackal is used for spA,OR ALL A

[oblique ridge]

But Jackal's value is in the link

[coarse lake]

also do you have champ clips? assuming it didn't face complete garbage teams

[oblique ridge]

Like, "I exist, therefore I rock" type of value

OLs on her is a bit of a waste

imo

[swift mango]

You need CP to win in rookie and spa

Charge speed too for faster cleave

[swift mango]

Wait a bit then

[swift mango]

Not doing very well but yeah.

[bleak latch]

all charge speed / ammo / atk + SR doll

[coarse lake]

[wheat heart]

Anyone feel the burst timings are off in Champions Arena? Really hard to record and time them with the janky camera but my 2RL teams didn't seem to be firing off like they do in regular arena

Could just be that the replay isn't an actual indicator of the simmed match or maybe I'm just looking for excuses

[quick lake]

feels like its because of tha janky camera

[coarse lake]

@unique wagon you liar

[swift mango]

My yesterday is also a no reset day.

[coarse lake]

first one is resil, second one is tempering, aside from the huge delay after the first proc in full burst, the frequency is a bit slower too it feels like

the main concern is the delay with the 3rl comp

this dude's emilia does like no dmg btw, that setup can't kill my attackers with no sustain

[merry agate]

What total cs?

[coarse lake]

10 pairs of sanis s2 shots during 7 seconds of full burst resil

7 pairs of sanis s2 shots during 7 seconds of full burst tempering, main culprit is that fat delay

even aside from the delay the frequency is a tad bit slower on non-resil

the reload time matters

[atomic wolf]

@smoky snow i used my two attempts on demian and dolo

what happens next is up to you and podk, since dolo is getting more aggressive now

[smoky snow]

I'm out of attempts (and about to sleep) but after reset I'll know how many hits he has left anyways.

[atomic wolf]

oh no..

oh well, i'll try to figure it out

go sleep

[smoky snow]

I had to get back up from 6 earlier

[atomic wolf]

are you still in game?

wonder if you can show me who attacked you, but honestly i'd not be surprised it's dolo and demian

if that's the case we're safe for now, since demian and dolo attacked me once

if they use gems to retake it, they lose

alright, have a good night now, thank you for your effort

[coarse solstice]

I made a mistake 👌 I was double checking my team building notes and it looks like Rail built my team...

Didnt want to take away from his cooking and I feel bad 😞

[quick lake]

master chef rail

[atomic wolf]

master chief?

oh he loses 100 gems XDDDDDDDDDDDDD

cool

[bleak latch]

18%

[merry agate]

Mine 11%

[atomic wolf]

is rail online

[bleak latch]

i want to give her more atk but she'll have too much atk and steal jackal link from noise

[quick lake]

dont think so

[atomic wolf]

is there any pvp specialist online right now

[merry agate]

He is

[quick lake]

[atomic wolf]

needs someone to help me with SPa (i'm mostly testing with these comps in rookie right now, they do not necessarily reflect the actual fight)

i'll not replace team 1 grave with anything else, if i have to replace her to fix it then just help me team 2/3

[quick lake]

Swap Tia and biscuit in teams 2 and 3 and it should be good

[atomic wolf]

ic

what about team 1?

[quick lake]

Swap Grave and Cindy position in team 1

Other than that, team generally looks good

[atomic wolf]

shoudl be fine

if i lose it's just a matter of combat power deficit which i'm still fixing

[quick lake]

Looks good

[atomic wolf]

[coarse solstice]

What's graves use in PVP I see her a fair bit

[quick lake]

B2 buffer primarily. Similar to Mari, xanne

[coarse solstice]

Good enough reason for muscle mommy

[atomic wolf]

although it's very minimal

[final wedge]

despite it is very minimal....does it impact the burst RL speed to gain up to 0.5 RL difference in a team???

[atomic wolf]

no

[crystal flicker]

L/W
L/W
W/L
W/L
L/W

Might be this, since difference in Noah's investment

[atomic wolf]

i tested, it loses to the actual RL no matter what

[final wedge]

kek....ok dats = not usable for my term then...tyty

[swift mango]

2 lose

1 win

2 mirror.

You have a low chance to win

[atomic wolf]

maybe it becomes 0.5rl at 10 but this is worse than helm in every possible way

[coarse lake]

my soda team cs got higher

12%/13%/14% for p3/p4/p5

[atomic wolf]

imagine losing to shotgun comp in pvp

[coarse lake]

now a backup b2 won't even be in time

[coarse solstice]

Shotgun is way more meta in CA

W/ draket

[coarse lake]

if it's 4-5 sgs, sometimes even 3 if rosa, it's... honestly common

[quick lake]

Grave burst gen is pretty decent

[coarse lake]

basically impossible to cook even 4 teams against it, esp with side rng in champ

there's a single hard counter, biscuit with p1 p5 defender

maybe scar jack, if that lives, and I suppose a team of p1 makima p5 cindy

[unique wagon]

nah I asked Keripo, I forgot to add reload delay (0.367s)

[coarse lake]

all else? prob melted

[swift mango]

Are you still on going or droppe

[coarse lake]

I didn't make it out of league

my moran sanis team got hard countered, my p5 would melt even against like 3 sg

viper/manchor/xmaiden/rosa/noir, trash team vs even a few sgs

[unique wagon]

ur fault not putting defender P5

Moran Biscuit Sanis X Anis is the way

[coarse lake]

defender p5 wouldn't have changed

I lost to unlinked scar trina (lapt wasn't enough to kill), sanis wasn't shooting scar

and noah emi helmt lemme check if that was a crit on me

can't even tell due to stupid angle

[atomic wolf]

it still loses to modern comp
even 2-2.5RL cooks my cindy grave team like frying two eggs with a tiny ass pan

[quick lake]

well, that's because u want cindy and grave same team no?

[swift mango]

Probly because your units all low invest on doll, OL and skill.

[quick lake]

defence always cracked anyways

[atomic wolf]

yeah...

[coarse lake]

using 4/4/4 moran at the time, max doll resil sanis

[atomic wolf]

its alright i'm happy that's what matters

[wheat heart]

I've been using Moran Biscuit Sanis X xMaiden and it works really well

[atomic wolf]

the real kicker is scarlet team losing

[coarse lake]

1.98mil dmg?

[atomic wolf]

i have no idea how it loses despite it having 3RL speed

[coarse lake]

wasn't even crit

[atomic wolf]

unless i'm wrong

[swift mango]

Well, ofc Anis would lose to scarlet cleave. You Moran on lv4 also doesn't help. ASS need 5555 and max core too.

[wheat heart]

Moran needs to be 10/10/10

[coarse lake]

no that's a diff dmg number

[umbral crown]

[merry agate]

Mine just lv 7

[coarse lake]

they add 1 buffer, I still die

this is helmt-buffed emi, the worst buffed emi you can make that ppl use, blanc or rh buff stronger

[atomic wolf]

i think it doesnt make any difference beyond 7

[merry agate]

Oh ok than

[coarse lake]

tbf this dude's emi is cracked

[wheat heart]

It does in CHampion Arena w Level sync

[umbral crown]

[swift mango]

What died to that though?

[atomic wolf]

core 7 mf must be smoking

[coarse lake]

then explain how my sanis died to just helmt emi

you telling me max invest moran and tempering sanis can live against this dude's blanc rh emi if he runs it? 0 chance

[swift mango]

Probably their Emi has 50% ATK OL. And your ASS 0LB.

[umbral crown]

blood gonna show us a c7 sanis

[coarse lake]

then 2 buffer emi is killing no matter sanis invest

[umbral crown]

[coarse lake]

blanc rh emi >>>>> helmt emi

[swift mango]

My ASS is ass and that won't chance.

[umbral crown]

let me see

[coarse lake]

I did try my sanis comp against my rookie's emi, which is so trash that their helmt emi cannot kill my attacker with 0 sustain

I'm a sync tier above

their helmt emi nuke did like 1/4th of my sanis's hp (got moran burst to 7)

so I'm just praying their emi is mid-low invest, then sure I prob live

against max invest like that dude? just blanc is prob enough to kill

does anyone have vids of mid invest blanc rh emi vs sanis?

in champ optimally

[swift mango]

Just screenshot the Emi team that beat you and post the video so us could judge.

[oblique ridge]

Just realized Emi is Emilia. Gg

[coarse lake]

I just did

[oblique ridge]

Top 32 CA btw

[swift mango]

Where

[quick lake]

what did u think it meant

[coarse lake]

or do you mean this, not that anyone else's invest here changes anything

[oblique ridge]

I simply didn't recognize it so I thought they misspelled a name. I guessed Ein

[umbral crown]

78k noah