pvp-arena

[crystal flicker]

Wdym, Grave sacc made that team 3RL or faster

[swift mango]

Without sacc and Centi, too slow.

Sacc without Centi, no burst 2.

[crystal flicker]

The thing is one of them using this for T4

Rossa can't be fast enough, unless Grave die instantly to remove the links and Nuke Scar

[eager mountain]

pepper p2 bis p3/4

[covert haven]

my T5 be like

https://tenor.com/view/random-bullshit-go-moon-knight-random-random-bullshit-gif-25725102

[crystal flicker]

The only issue is Biscuit P2 will steal Indom from SAnis

[upbeat oriole]

is sr anis still worth investing in ol gear

[crystal flicker]

Should spread it further, coz ur opponent might also have weak T5, atleast make it 3RL

[crystal flicker]

PvP yes, as long as you can avoid cp deficit

[upbeat oriole]

i always have cp deficit tbh das y im thinking of oling anis so my sbs team with blanc indom can fight higher cps

[atomic wolf]

20 credit boxes means nothing to me

for me i play PVP to THRIVE on the suffering of others

just kidding if shiftup doesn't pay me 9351 core dust i will kill myse

[umbral crown]

show your bracket

[rich quail]

Don’t make me do it Keripo

I stg I’ll do it

[rich quail]

I’m glad I did it because I can actually use her in some scenarios, mostly in atk

[crystal flicker]

She's usable in team w/o deficit, or little deficit but hits hard

[eager mountain]

morethen usable

[umbral crown]

[stone iris]

my guy reclaimed the surface with level 867 units

[spiral onyx]

So I looked through all the 64 groups on my cluster. There's a total of 5 players with 4mil+ total CP. All of them except me are running CP padding teams, one even literally just threw 5 B3s together in one team

[valid fern]

So bet on Keripo?

[coarse lake]

keripo winning his bracket basically no matter what

there's 3 more days of sitting around doing nothing can't even bet

[spiral onyx]

This is my 4mil CP opponent lol

[coarse lake]

1, maybe 2 usable teams

[spiral onyx]

One. Quiry bursts

[placid bloom]

this is some incredible technology, I can't wait to see it in action

[astral kayak]

Huh quiry burst? This guy overcooking

[coarse lake]

technically can do something with counters, but it's very scuffed

did see a recent vid that's almost just like it... it didn't go so well, but it wasn't a blowout either

[pastel urchin]

Not just anyone, that's previous world #1 fire weak solo raider

[scenic hatch]

Hey… I don’t have Rosanna built nor pepper nor s.Anne best way is to boom p5 with my b3 sgs 4atk lines

[spiral onyx]

5 SGs is a valid team comp, but only for defence

Attack is a maybe

[scenic hatch]

I worked very hard on a way not to spend rocks on any units

[atomic wolf]

guys... my bracket... fought like a dragon...

[scenic hatch]

Btw how we know if we attack or defense? Is there a rule?

[placid bloom]

don't know until we get replays

[scenic hatch]

Wait maybe Keripo not talking about me but my union buddy unclemac

[placid bloom]

don't even know the number of rounds, could be double round robin or single round robin

[pastel urchin]

Pausecatito

You are safe then Don, he not making fun of you

[spiral onyx]

I don't remember who it was, there were 64x5 players lol

[scenic hatch]

I also have a question. As a Nikke commander or master, how should I make sure my Nikkes fighting my opponents instead of sleeping. It shows fight and 12 hours left, but I’m not sure if they’re working hard

[spiral onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/shin-jimin-jimin-whip-whiplash-whipping-gif-12463359

[placid bloom]

Nikke are never working hard when you're not watching, don't you know this

[spiral onyx]

Do as our fathers did to us. Bring out the belt

[scenic hatch]

[valid fern]

[scenic hatch]

Unclemac biggest cp scam

[coarse lake]

would be funny if cp diff doesn't exist so these gigawhales all fail to get out of league

[scenic hatch]

Maybe next time I put solo raid comps to make myself look good and ||lose badly which means same as this time||

[atomic wolf]

i don't know i just kick sbs whenever she doesn't kill the opponent with a blink

this is 100% her fault and definitely NOT my team comp

[scenic hatch]

It’s a gacha game what you dreaming of

[coarse lake]

[scenic hatch]

Even solo raid has cores and cp diff

[coarse lake]

not in that sense though

[scenic hatch]

Have we confirmed there’s cp penalty in CA

[atomic wolf]

yes

[coarse lake]

we got no idea

[scenic hatch]

Like if I’m over 20% cp I have advantage?

[atomic wolf]

(no)

[coarse lake]

currently the clues are like 50/50

[scenic hatch]

Yea

How can we find out btw

If there’s no replay

[coarse lake]

when we get to the elims, there are replays there

[valid fern]

at most I could see them decreasing penalty a little bit but I doubt they'd fully get rid of it

[coarse lake]

or if all the gigawhales with cp diff teams lose badly or win by a lot

[scenic hatch]

True maybe we can conclude from that

[valid fern]

either way i'm fully expecting these cp teams to win.

[scenic hatch]

If so should I just Maximize my cp next time

[coarse lake]

maximize cp enough so other whales can't cp diff you, but make half-usable teams so your teams still win

[scenic hatch]

I can prob be near 430k to 440k which means 86-88k avg?

[valid fern]

Solo Raiders and their Ele lines were always the true champions

[scenic hatch]

This the only cp team I have rn

Still tried to make them be able to burst ig I’m wrong

They won’t be able to burst anyway

[tulip quest]

Whao whale

[blissful willow]

Someone check if the results are here yet

[tulip quest]

few hours still

[blissful willow]

Bro you know what's crazy

We won't ever find out if CP penalty exists

[tulip quest]

When does CP penalty not exist only on simulation all others it does and this is PVP

Hoping it doesn't exist is pure copium at this point in time

[blissful willow]

All synced modes do not have penalty

And sim room doesn't have pen

[scenic hatch]

Interesting

[tulip quest]

I see hopefully ur right, HOPEFULLY

[scenic hatch]

But anyway it doesn’t matter to me

[blissful willow]

True

[scenic hatch]

I won’t win anyway

[blissful willow]

If you can cp stack maybe you can

[umbral crown]

[scenic hatch]

But I have Keripo in my bracket

[blissful willow]

There's like 4 different leagues

[scenic hatch]

There’s no cp stuff with him

[blissful willow]

If you can make 4 1mil teams
You can win

[tulip quest]

-.- Ur a whale man you out cp most players

[scenic hatch]

Impossible lol

[blissful willow]

Or just need 3 I guess

[scenic hatch]

I tried my top5

[blissful willow]

This should win one fight

[scenic hatch]

I don’t think it’s possible to have 2 teams over 1mil cp for anyone rn

[scenic hatch]

I need sbs scarlet and Cindy for other comps pls

[rose plaza]

This worked like a charm. Thank you

[placid bloom]

15.4% deficit shouldn't be enough to decide a fight though. It's like 25%+ where you actually get gunned down before 2RL

or you burst but can't kill

[valid fern]

why wouldn't we find out tho? shouldnt it be obvious once the results are in?

[valid fern]

I sure hope so. I screwed myself over by using Anis over Centi in my 2RL scarlet team and now my rival puts me into penalty barely.

[atomic wolf]

my condolences, everyone makes mistakes

[placid bloom]

well Scarlet is probably affected the most since she doesn't have a real self Atk steroid at 2RL, her s1 takes too long to stack. If it was Cinderella you wouldn't be worrying as much

you just have to pray

[valid fern]

Pray for crit

[placid bloom]

or I hope it's Trina RH double buff 2RL

[vague quartz]

whats the best PVP team I can make with these units?

[worldly sun]

best teams for pvp from this units?

[swift mango]

But he would need proper good arena team to win because 1m isn't gonna CP diff Keripo.

[onyx scaffold]

why is chat so dead

[valid fern]

Cause CA is

[onyx scaffold]

maybe they will let you reform your teams when you get in further rounds

[swift mango]

Said person has Keripo in his group. He isn't getting another round

[onyx scaffold]

oh

good for Don tbh. he can completely give up pvp. then focus on all the world rank SR

[swift mango]

One guy 407. Arranged by level. Lowest is 281-301 ish I think. The difference in level is pretty huge for this game mode.

Ofc the last guy had it the worst.

Only me has full 5 teams, the rest filled with flex.

But I got unluckily countered by one guy by not bursting with Emi.

[swift mango]

Now show yours.

[burnt lance]

There aren't any cp penalties in SR challenge

CP penalties don't exist in UR, SR challenge, Sim Room (normal and overclock), Interception, CoOp. E.g. synced content doesn't have CP penalities

If champs arena as synced content has CP penalities, this would be the exception, not the rule, relative to other synced content

[eager mountain]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1177116972593463316/1349974851758067732/1218582560406503454.webp

[quick lake]

CA has stripped my joy from pvp

[swift mango]

Because you don't need penalty to help whale deal more damage in Solo raid.

In SR, 1 dmg higher from core mean 1 rank higher. In Arena, 1000 dmg higher doesn't mean much if you gonna get 1 shot anyway because useless DEF stat and the inflated dmg.

CP deficit is a needed feature so whale could win.

Easily.

[quick lake]

Well, we'll find out by today

[valid fern]

I think it would be rather absurd if it didn't have cp penalty. Like you wouldn't have to OL or Doll anything. Can plop in whatever you want with no investments

[copper creek]

Ultimately we'll find out

[valid fern]

but tbh I'd rather have that than what we are expecting currently

[copper creek]

I cba to make any more assumptions

[swift mango]

Investment and core still matters but just much less.

[valid fern]

I guess it would be pretty similar to SR then. Skill book diff. Honestly i'd take that

[burnt lance]

Think it's better if there aren't any penalities in champs arena bc stat advantages are already enough of a big deal to decide getting one shot or not by stuff like Rosanna burst when you're synced to 400.

[valid fern]

moment of truth tomorrow

[burnt lance]

Just raising the barrier to entry to the point where sticking in random units with high CP is better than having a functional team doesn't seem fair imo

[swift mango]

It's still unfair for lower, unlucky player regardless.

Whale could just whoop ass with their Core 7 uninvested units if no penalty although their opponent invested all their earning to OL for arena. It would even be more unfair unless they give out reset for OL lines to rocks.

[copper creek]

None of this is fair arguably lol

[quick lake]

Well, there is some incentive to invest more. But CA rewards are mid, no point thinking too hard

[copper creek]

Ultimately not disagreeing with you but who knows with this game. Just feel like right now we are all just trying to work off way too many assumptions/guesses

[quick lake]

CA does not seem to be 2 years of well-thought out content

[valid fern]

im full on copium now

[copper creek]

I guess what im really trying to say is think less, drink more alcohol

[burnt lance]

No it's definitely not "regardless", there's having a small but significant advantage and then there's ignoring content mechanics to slot in random garbage.

There's degrees to which advantages can be acceptable and "too much", which should depend on the audience that the content is made for

[swift mango]

It just benefits players who don't invested in Arena whatsoever and wanted to be competitive in CA.

[burnt lance]

The content is made for PvPers, so subverting the mechanics of PvP in favor of stat checking is imo clearly too far

[swift mango]

Ultimately whale with Black optimal line still win but slacker who doesn't invest in arena could competite.

[burnt lance]

It's also shouldn't be the target audience bc those ppl don't care about the content beyond superficial existence

[swift mango]

[valid fern]

you're getting my hopes up.

[swift mango]

It would be a hit to Arena player more so than to whales.

Unless they revamp everything down to SpA and refund my investment I rather not.

[burnt lance]

Champions Arena should be made for Arena players because otherwise we already have content for who has the highest CP, it's called the manufacturer CP leaderboard

[thorn pagoda]

being a pvp whale is too stressful imo. i'd rather get on with my life and only login once for an hour each day, so if you drop to 5th place you won't have to deal with champion arena

that's what i'm probably going to do. will let someone else take my place

[burnt lance]

Just don't make the content at that point if it's just measuring who has the highest CP, the point of the content should be to expand that niche

[quick lake]

Well, hopefully KR/JP/NA feedbacks enough about this

[thorn pagoda]

Asia usually does when it comes to gacha games lol

[quick lake]

But its whether they have the same complaints as us

Only JP/KR moves the needle

[thorn pagoda]

how much does China have an influence? heard about some crazy things in China

[quick lake]

CN peeps do play on JP server, so under JP i would think

[thorn pagoda]

oh, probably. damn. thought most CN players went on global

[copper creek]

cn is everywhere

they exist in kinda every server lol

[thorn pagoda]

true

discord is banned in china but they use vpns and some are from taiwan. you don't see them on here very often

[copper creek]

because they have their own discord

[swift mango]

Well, if they gonna revamp Arena to be more fair. I would bit it and change my OL plan I guess.

I mean bite my investment lost on CP padding.

Without any possible refund. Nothing too hard here. So long as it's more fair.

[valid fern]

well, at least you still need to invest in OL to get into top 4 spa

[swift mango]

I mean revamp SpA as well.

[eager mountain]

5 team will include niche nik thats not often used in spa, so would be great if theres no deficit so that i dont need to ol them

[valid fern]

yeah now im full on hopium on the idea of no cp penalty in CA.

[swift mango]

[valid fern]

still would want OL attack lines for attackers tho right. i mean its not all a waste.

[swift mango]

Slacker. Fake pvper

[valid fern]

and CS

can't believe i almost forgot about CS

but then again, my CS luck isn't that great so

of course, when it comes to SG or AR OLs I get ALL the CS lines, baby

every single one of em

[swift mango]

CS, ATK, Ele, Crit rate will always be relevant but sh** like CP pad hit rate line won't after revamp.

[eager mountain]

aint no way imma ol my soda if not for cp

[swift mango]

4 DEF line so she won't die to Scarlet counter.

[eager mountain]

[swift mango]

And SR doll.

[eager mountain]

i do have sr doll on her tho

since shes always p1p2

[swift mango]

Max out Doll + Armour, and boots.

[blissful willow]

Their main chat is on qq or smthng

[eager mountain]

i dont even sr rapun cuz of her stun shenanigan lol

[swift mango]

Last I see Rapun p1 I just SG her down with Noir+LapT

[eager mountain]

doubt u can do that in ca, thats why using her p1 in ca

[swift mango]

You can have 2SG in few teams in CA and hit her randomly.

[eager mountain]

thats totally fine

[copper creek]

yep qq

[eager mountain]

hit or miss, better then low pressure team barely hitting her to half in 2rl

her stun is not mandatory and its never guranteed

[blissful willow]

Still no reply from anyone about champs

Seems like they're just avoiding every question

Guess we just wait for the timer to run out now

[thorn pagoda]

tbh i think the f2p players deserve champion arena more than the whales

[swift mango]

[thorn pagoda]

in fact, everybody should be able to play it. it shouldn't be the top 4
since it's locked at 400

[eager mountain]

[copper creek]

hot take: champions arena should be renamed chumps' arena and should be open to c5 and below

the reward for doing well enough in spa to stay in c1-4

should be not having to deal with this mess

[eager mountain]

me and keripo, and who else think ca is fine

[hollow eagle]

I now want 10 skill reset waste of time build teams for 5

[swift mango]

Yeah, everyone should. Or at least top 16.

No reason to lock it to SpA. Make it a new arena game mode altogether.

Then remove the deficit system

[atomic wolf]

CHUDS arena

[cerulean wharf]

hey i woke up from a coma, is champs arena actually a rich get richer gamemode?

[swift mango]

Since it's a new game mode no reason to tied to old game mode system into it.

[eager mountain]

🤔 pepper's b1 would be nice for offense if theres iron meta carry

[swift mango]

The rich get more chance to flex game mode.

No worthy reward whatsoever

[valid fern]

I was wondering if anybody in this channel wasn't blindsided by this whole "set and forget" no counter-picking format. meanwhile there was a guy on reddit who already knew exactly how it was gonna work

[cerulean wharf]

unions get some arena vouchers right? i guess it's not that big of a deal

kinda weird they hyped up pvp last year to make it whale only lmao

[copper creek]

to be fair we did all know it was whale-only

[swift mango]

Everyone knew for a long time that it would be tied to SpA. But since CA is like this, might as well, revamp it into a new arena mode.

Not like separate arena never existed in other games.

[copper creek]

its in the name - "champions'" arena

[eager mountain]

sometimes ppl can name themselves "everyone"

[swift mango]

"People's arena" then.

Where nude isn't allowed

[eager mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/communism-gif-23823998

[cerulean wharf]

is it just auto battle? the announcement last year made it sound like actual pvp with aiming

[eager mountain]

evil commie incoming

[cerulean wharf]

they really did hype it up last year for some reason

[lunar dirge]

I'll make a feedback remembering the full time lapse of remembering what happened at launch, pros and cons(mostly cons of it)

After the beta testing is over

[valid fern]

feels like purgatory

[lunar dirge]

That's like

3rd time it happens to this mode

First waiting for it to open

Then team setups

Then waiting to fights to finish

[swift mango]

[lunar dirge]

TOO MUCH WAITING MAN

[eager mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/jjba-jotaro-eating-orange-jotaro-stardust-crusaders-orange-gif-18032306

[eager mountain]

wont ever be as long as the liberalio wait

[lunar dirge]

Unlike liberation

Which is dead for a year

[atomic wolf]

Lmao give up

[lunar dirge]

We 're getting time gated for unknown reasons

[atomic wolf]

Liberalio is heretic anywayd

[swift mango]

CA = Communist Army.

[lunar dirge]

Why fights take 22 hours to happen?

[eager mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/gurrenlagann-kamina-gif-9587130

[atomic wolf]

Dogshit code

[atomic wolf]

Idk you're not lebron james

[swift mango]

So does Nihister

[atomic wolf]

Yeah but what does it have anything to do with this tho

Nihilister has dogshit kit

Liberalio could also have dogshit kit

[swift mango]

So did Cindy. And Mordenia by extension.

[valid fern]

Nihilister core bricked

[eager mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/tank-trying-to-stop-gif-15616131

[swift mango]

Bring her spare bodies to Arena shop for 600000 voucher each. Now CA has some meaning.

And Rookie by extension

[atomic wolf]

stop calling her that I strike you down

[eager mountain]

couldnt even bother to use her as a meh battery

[atomic wolf]

She's not a heretic!!!

(I think, I didn't read the story)

[swift mango]

I will use her if she had core max.

[atomic wolf]

(I only watched the game on youtube)

[eager mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/tatakae-aot-eren-jean-attack-on-titan-eren-gif-22444464

[atomic wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/yakuza-kiryu-nishiki-gif-5785649382449090950

[eager mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/afham-ryuji-goda-yakuza-kiwami-gif-21115251

[atomic wolf]

He fought like a Yakuza Kiwami 2....

[swift mango]

Yakuza cultured huh... Anyone here read/watched "the fable" and "the way of the house husband"?

[lunar dirge]

Is that mr. 10 years in a jail

[atomic wolf]

I read the latter

Its been a while

[atomic wolf]

10 years in the joint makes me a WHAT

[lunar dirge]

🗣️ 🔥 he is isn't sugarcoating it

[daring saffron]

best cube for rumani in P1?

[blissful willow]

Vigor/tempering

[daring saffron]

is it worth giving her phase 1 SR doll? or Phase 0 is fine?

[valid fern]

depends if you wanna 🧱 her

[swift mango]

3/3 him after awhile. Thanks to ReiT off burst buff of all things.

[valid fern]

madman actually invested in ReiT

[swift mango]

Emi heavy breathing at the end. Gal deserved a pat on her back.

The very last of her 15 bullets as well...

[unique wagon]

Moran not receiving indom

Too brave

Thanks to emilia having lowest def

[lunar dirge]

10/4/7 on me

[glacial lion]

this team is 2rl and not feed jackal?

[lunar dirge]

Yeah, feed a little bit(7,1 to burst), but decent

[unique wagon]

Also @spiral onyx: CA is the most reliable test matrix.

[unique wagon]

I think it relies on feed

[torn geode]

Pvp team attack\defend cook? Too many pics to post.
These are only ones I do not own.
I'm 369 for their levels

[unique wagon]

Just take a landscape pic

[glacial lion]

i still cant make 3 decent 2rl team yet...

switch cube now wont affect anything in ca right?

[unique wagon]

No

according to them

[calm gull]

someone tried to do the scam link

nice try

[torn geode]

I just want u to know I never knew u could make main menu horizontal on phone just need attack/defend team cook pvp

*Didn't think about cropping my bad

[plucky charm]

does this setup win? my team is on top, cindy vs cindy team wins but idk if team 1 does since its scar-jack
other team is noah-bisc-emi and idk if stall would work with helm burst/heal

[unique wagon]

I think scar is dependent on charge speed

Cindy, the one on the top wins

[plucky charm]

should i ignore scar-blanc team

this is the other team but i cant scar-jack team it b/c trina dies to laplace autos and i lose burst gen

[unique wagon]

No, u just swap ur Scar and Cindy

Hit first team with Cindy, hit 2nd team with Scarlet but replace Blanc with ClipRL and use Trina B2.

[plucky charm]

my team is top team im not using blanc

[unique wagon]

Oh

[blissful willow]

How much longer for current timer to run out btw

[unique wagon]

Wait no

DONT

[plucky charm]

oka

[unique wagon]

I forgot ure the top one

Are u sure enemy has 17% charge speed everywhere on their Scar team

[plucky charm]

no i just put it for worst case assumption lol

[glacial lion]

5h

[plucky charm]

both need 17cs to get to 2.5rl
wouldnt it normally go below 3rl anyways b/c of scarlet feed?

[unique wagon]

Remove all those %

[plucky charm]

it goes to 3rl then

[unique wagon]

Hmmmm

[glacial lion]

2rl scar trina
2rl cindy
3rl indom rh/sanis/emi/sbs (prefer emi but it depend on your investment)

[unique wagon]

@tropic summit help him

[glacial lion]

actually sanis still solid choice for spa?

[unique wagon]

No

[glacial lion]

demote her in your tier list then

[unique wagon]

Snake wrote it and I argued to demote her but Snake and Gatrix tagged team and said no

[torn geode]

Ight I'll give a read on mechanics when I'm off work. I literally thought RL meant rocket launcher but u meant something else.

Looks like somebody(me) needs to do research reading lol.

I never played arena seriously. The whole time I set up a random team to at least get currency flowing and focus on story. Now Im working on other areas slowly

[eager mountain]

Sanis needs defensive investment to work well in spa

[unique wagon]

No. Its just us having diff viewpoints

[glacial lion]

2rl here mean that team start burst after 2 rocket launcher atk (~2s), not mean you use 2 rl nikke in that team

[unique wagon]

Pretty much pvp tier list is mostly snake

Actually all the tier lists lmao

[eager mountain]

Tho still pretty great for rookie and ca

[glacial lion]

check pin for basic pvp knowledge

[unique wagon]

So if got complaints just tag him

[torn geode]

Ha I kinda figured that's why I scrolled up to see if someone else asked the same question and I'ma check pins later

I'm not very good on the game lingo
Thx though for help

[dire root]

Ah I see, the combat power gap has finally grown to 15%, guess it's time for more padding using overloaded gear or other nikkes.

Giving jackal a phase 15 R doll should work.

[eager mountain]

So u guys can demote Sanis if the said tier list is mostly for spa, since most people should focus on spa over other 2

[dire root]

That sounds like the most cancerous thing that has ever cancered

[plucky charm]

he changed his comp to this

[unique wagon]

I actually dont rmb if Cindy bypasses Noah I think she does if she bursts first

[plucky charm]

i thought she gets stopped if noah activates

his t2 only goes to 2.5rl naturally with having cs on 2/3 of the units but idk how fast scar will get feed to generate burst

[pale knoll]

Noah blocks her nuke even 1rl slower

[tropic summit]

that was before cindy nerf, as she used to snapshot instead

[tropic summit]

@plucky charm where box

going in blindly anyway

[plucky charm]

im using these 3

[tropic summit]

do you've s.anis?

[plucky charm]

ye i do

[tropic summit]

then run the above, looks like you got everything else

-s.anis burst lvl 9 (or higher), no ammo OL, resil cube

-SBS less hp than helmT and jackal (you can enforce HP on helmT with cube)

alternatively, this can also work, as long as your scar and trina are invested

scarlet trina and liter buffed hits for lethal

2RL scar-trina example

2RL indom sbs example

catching emi nuke 1RL slower example (in this case 4RL vs 3RL, in your case you'll be 3RL against 2RL)

[plucky charm]

i have some lines of cs on bisc/noah i think it might push burst a bit sooner

[tropic summit]

use https://nikke-deck.web.app/

a single 17%CS won't get you to 2.5RL

although 2 will

(in this case at least)

[plucky charm]

it doesnt sum to 17% in either char, it doesnt matter then?

[tropic summit]

probably won't let you hit the threshold, might be around 2.8-3RL

if that's the case you'll barely make it

only one way to find out...

[plucky charm]

i can take the cube off of rumani and itll go back to 3

[tropic summit]

perfect

record just in case so we can troubleshoot post if it goes wrong

doublecheck CP and you're ready to go

oh just noticed we should fix team order

noah biscuit s.anis RH rumani

although you probably still would be fine without using RH buff

noah temperance
biscuit vigor
s.anis resil
red bastion/resil
rumani temperance/quantum

[plucky charm]

it lost its doing rec now

seems like bisc died early and didnt buff

[tropic summit]

4/4/4 4OL R15 biscuit?

[plucky charm]

4ol but not 15 doll

maybe too low so no hp to tank hit

[tropic summit]

[plucky charm]

[tropic summit]

post video meanwhile

[plucky charm]

ye i will i just gotta crop so it fits the disc size limit

[valid fern]

I don't understand how this one kills the jackal link. did I crit or something? Helm B3 was only like lvl 7 at the time too.

but then this one today failed. and her burst is lvl 9 now

[tropic summit]

B3 helmT dmg is actually overflowing, because the multiplier hits well beyond the HP pool of a regular nikke

the moment you hit a unit that distributes that dmg, your overflow dmg is no longer lost but used

which results in a link killer

(yes crit can matter)

[tropic summit]

[plucky charm]

died to aa lol

my attempts are used but its still worth to try at least

[unique wagon]

[valid fern]

yes I understand that is how it supposed to work but why did it fail in the second picture.

[unique wagon]

Thats why u dont P3 against Laplace

[unique wagon]

Wait thats Emilia

[valid fern]

oh so I actually did crit in the first one

[plucky charm]

cant do scar-jack-trina b/c trina dies to it too

[tropic summit]

noah didn't catch it

looks like enemy team is not pure 2RL but probably more like 2.5RL

[unique wagon]

Too fast

Thats why RRH exists

[tropic summit]

he needs 3.5RL

but emi didn't even hit hard probably could just outlive it

[plucky charm]

would bumping back up to 2-2.5rl work at all?

[unique wagon]

U need to be slower against Emilia

[tropic summit]

you need to be 1RL slower

[unique wagon]

Like 1 RL slower minimum

[tropic summit]

if they're 2.5RL, your 3RL is too fast

[plucky charm]

is it b/c it isnt instant like scarlets would be

[tropic summit]

ye it's a delayed nuke

[plucky charm]

ah i c its cause noah just expires by then

[tropic summit]

yep u got it right

[tropic summit]

you can see it from the vid i linked earlier

#pvp-arena message

[umbral crown]

[valid fern]

so does HelmT still need a buffer to reliably kill Jackal link?

[unique wagon]

Yes

But if u crit maybe not

[valid fern]

time for me to roll more atk lines as well

[plucky charm]

what if

[tropic summit]

you can make it even safer with crown proccing her skill with noise healing

s.anis is out of emi's AA range

noise will taunt noah and biscuit splash to p5, emi laplace and rumani will shoot p1
when noah bursts, she'll taunt all enemy to p1

this assumes you've 17%CS tho

[plucky charm]

if i add the cs on them its like bisc has ~10% and noah has ~9.8%

[tropic summit]

just run your version first and see how it fares i guess, haven't messed with half-invested CS% myself because i find them unreliable

[plucky charm]

maybe i should just scar-jack against this and hope blanc feeds fast enough lol

[unique wagon]

Scarlet Trina should be able to kill at 2 RL but

That assumes enemy no CS and enemy RH doesnt survive

Probably not tbf

[plucky charm]

i think 2/3 of his units have to have cs before it turns into 2.5rl

idk, cant tell unless i send it later

[valid fern]

you know what's hilarious. My biggest fan who quit two weeks ago made it into CA. And he's in my group. And the auto builder actually cooked him some half decent teams.

2.5 RL, very pog.

[tropic summit]

that's reportable if you wanna dig through his grave

[valid fern]

his third team will probably beat mine.

[summer copper]

huh, so we could have just left it for autobuild to cook?

[tropic summit]

why would you do that though

[summer copper]

laziness

[tropic summit]

[summer copper]

in the end my team 4 and 5 are just some nikkes thrown together without much thought

[valid fern]

its okay. That's what most of the participants in CA are doing.

[unique wagon]

Im gonna allow my pvp cook app to generate attack teams based on pre-known counters and based on fundamentals.

Although for that I might have to yoink the burst gen sheet

Meh just hardcode it

[valid fern]

hardcoding is the way.

[unique wagon]

• If enemy P1 == B1 and enemy P2-P5 is not B1, and enemy P1.Class != Tank, then:

  • If enemy P2-P5 has 2 SGs, then
    • If user has Makima, then:
      • If user has 4 SGs, then:
        • Add 4 SG + Makima P5 to potential winning team against T1.
        • Add tooltip: "Makima P5 protects your team from defending SG. Use your most invested SGs. Full Burst does not matter."
    • If user has Moran, then:
      • If user has Moran, then:
        • Add 4 SG + Moran P5 to...
      • Else:

• And so on...

• Pick 3 teams from T1, T2, T3 potential winning teams that don't have duplicate characters.

• Share them to user, alongside their corresponding tooltips.

• Allow for "reshuffling" to see other combinations.

Yandere simulator code

To make it robust can classify Tanks such as [{Moran, Makima, {Nero, Rapunzel}]

Or something

[onyx scaffold]

There is auto builder? U mean the auto button?

[atomic wolf]

yeah it is

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1122534701131890771.webp?size=48&name=uncanny

[unique wagon]

@tropic summit

[fiery parcel]

Ive got 400 silver mileage. Which is better? Getting my thelm to core +1 (use both on thelm spare bodies) or drake to 2☆ and Thelm to MLB

[atomic wolf]

his what?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1318081453782994954.webp?size=48&name=CindyStare

[fiery parcel]

Oops wrong area. Lol

Supposed #team-building

[tropic summit]

keep cookin', seems like you're on the right track

[unique wagon]

• If there are no unique combinations that satisfy at least two wins, show message to user, "Get fu-."

[atomic wolf]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1318081453782994954.webp?size=48&name=CindyStare

[tropic summit]

[valid fern]

the CA squad formation that auto filled teams

[unique wagon]

Idk how the counter team building order should go though

Bevause I will need burst gen data even if hardcoded

To see if Scar Trina can wipe for example

It will probably go like

[dire root]

Strange team.

[unique wagon]

Killable by SGs? → Has Noah @ 2RL? → Has Blanc @ 2RL? → Has Rapunzel @ 2RL? → Has Soda @ 2RL? → Has Scarlet? → 2RL? → 3RL? → Has Cindy? → ....

Codes gonna take 5 mins to run

[dire root]

It's nice fighting someone that is the same sync level as me.

[unique wagon]

Probably simpler to group it like [Scarlet, Trina] @ 2 RL..., then check if user has Noah and B3 with Class == Wiper. If yes, add Noah B3 to winning team.

[atomic wolf]

yeah but you're pisslow challenger 10

[dire root]

Combat power gap gets pretty bad in challenger.

[unique wagon]

Oh shit I think teams database is still necessary

[dire root]

Sad, I used to be able to hold challenger 4.

[stuck pike]

Second one btw.

[unique wagon]

Ah shit I dont think I can go burst gen route its way too complicated

[atomic wolf]

i think its just skill issue tbh

[unique wagon]

@bleak shale does Gsheet support API

If I make a pvp cook app, can I use API to access gsheet and extract unit data and burst gen data from there?

[tropic summit]

i think you gonna need to assume investiments are meeting recommended specs (e.g. trina 4/7/7 if used alone with scarlet 10/x/10))

[lunar dirge]

Some random attacker cooking

[unique wagon]

No, Ill just ask the user to tick invested chars only.

Investments are iffy

Scar with 4 ATK OL vs 0 is different

[tropic summit]

hmm i guess, that's gonna be a lot of "ifs"

[unique wagon]

And teams database are also less robust

Although it must be added

[tropic summit]

bay in p2 you sure? you want your cover to be healthy when bursting, although 2RL might save you from losing it

[unique wagon]

If generative team building fails, use → studied arena teams.

[tropic summit]

[unique wagon]

But its not ideal and costly to structure

Esp since how arena comps are just a matrix of matrixes

[tropic summit]

i'm both surprised and amazed you're willing to spend so much time for a game you're not actively playing anymore Kise

[unique wagon]

Ideally they can be grouped as "Scarlet Trina RedHood ClipRL ClipRL"

Will reduce duplicates

[tropic summit]

yeah making some sort of roles/classes will help

you'll probably have buffers, tanks, nuke, DPS, sustain, battery

[unique wagon]

So the database can be stored as classes with counters

For example

[tropic summit]

ideally the tool should then form a team that matches:

-speed threshold
-dmg required (buffs)
-sustain (if needed to survive e.g. indom scar)
...etc

you could also just start from the common archetypes then expand from there

[unique wagon]

if enemy.teams[0].archetype == [Scarlet Trina 2 RL], then collect known counters from [Scarlet Trina 2 RL].

[tropic summit]

mhm sounds good

and then you fish them out of the pool of counters

which may match user ticked off invested nikke

[unique wagon]

So:

• Defense Team Building
  • Generative is Too Expensive
  • From Defense Team Prebuilts
  • Calculate UV and TV
  • Allow Reshuffle
• Attack Team Building
  • Generative Counter Team Building
  • Prebuilt From Archetypes & Counters Database

[tropic summit]

e.g. opponent:

scar liter trina centi jackal

tool will calculate:

-enemy team is 2RL
-enemy team does not have indom or sustain

requirement:

-bay/noah or 2RL indom with no feed
-match same burst threshold
-bay in p4 or noah in p1
-must survive to 2RL: add biscuit as needed with p1 defender

counter pool:

-make team based on nikke availability that match condition above then pick ideal archetype

it would be easier if instead of calculating you're straight down picking countering adhoc archetype that have these conditions prebuilt

although that adds limits

[placid breach]

if put trina for scarlet on my team im not sure who should i move around, which right now my team works perfectly beside the noah team. Unless trina not that worth to place unless she fully invested.

[tropic summit]

you can either commit to 2 teams on 2RL but losing indom for glass cannon or at least removing your SG feed from scar team (it prevents you from losing to mirror scarlet)

also noise as single B1 on a 3RL is not advised

[tropic summit]

do you've emilia/laplace treasure or xmaiden built?

[placid breach]

nope, dont even have emilia

[tropic summit]

oke

[tropic summit]

any clip SG built besides noir?

drake or bsoda for example

[placid breach]

there naga and drake does have treasure but quite built her out yet

infact 2 treasure drake some how

[tropic summit]

hmmm

drake could be used then, although you'd want to remove noir altogether from scarlet team asap

[unique wagon]

Replace SAnis with Emilia probably

[tropic summit]

he doesn't have emi

i think the important bits to fix in his lineup is reducing SG feed (laplace treasure) and trying to hit 2RL on both scar and cindy team

[placid breach]

oh where should i move noise or replace btw unless prob i have no choice unit too

[tropic summit]

also i'd avoid noise as single B1 on 3RL as mentioned earlier, bit risky

[unique wagon]

Have Bay?

[tropic summit]

right here

#pvp-arena message

team is promoted to 2RL, you've noise in p1 but also rumani as spare B1 in p5

ideally you'd still burst with noise here as we expect her to be alive, unless opponent is running SG spam or well invested laplace treasure with elem. atk%

[unique wagon]

Need noise bay tbf

For good defense or moran bay

[tropic summit]

don't think he has invested bay

the average lad doesn't

[placid breach]

she there alright XD

[ornate spoke]

how invested does emilia needs to be?

[tropic summit]

yep that makes sense, that's the average box i see

[unique wagon]

Scar Trina is poor defense cus just Cinderella-able

Scar Blanc RH 2 RL is more annoying

[pale knoll]

Madre mía indeed

[placid breach]

if afford lv all char i would, but i made do choose my current battles ;-;

[tropic summit]

your teams are not weak though

this is nitpicking on making them more annoying to deal with

overall:

-promote cindy team to 2RL or add a spare B1
-promote scarlet to 2.5RL or 2RL, either glass cannon 2RL or blanc indom

[unique wagon]

• Scar Blanc RH - 2 RL
• Noah Biscu - 2 RL
• Noise/Moran Bay with 2nd B3 - 2.5 RL

Is actually the most annoying def team build, given that only Rosanna can reliably kill T1. Noah Biscu can probably stall, but it doesn't work all the time and needs investments.

[placid breach]

yeah im super bad making team, which why i gotten help from here awhile ago which result in these teams haha

[kind palm]

noah biscuit is not that annoying anymore if not with noise cuz you can use soda stun noah

[unique wagon]

Damn there is no Scar Blanc RH with 2 RL

I guess Scar is not a good defense

[tropic summit]

assuming people have a soda built

[unique wagon]

[kind palm]

soda atk team doesn't need to be built but just link I think

[tropic summit]

4OL 1/1/1 with atk% lines is not exactly budget friendly, but i see your point

[kind palm]

scar^ soda^ trina centi jackal^

I don't think need 4OL except for CP
but SR doll and tempering should be fine I think

[tropic summit]

ye depends on who they facing, if she needs the cp or not

[kind palm]

also cuz you use her to hit noah biscuit

soda at p2 will usually only fear spread RL and scar P1 usually

at least people with no emilia should try to use soda

[unique wagon]

We are going Neptunee with this one

[hollow eagle]

my enemy had that team at 2RL

[pale knoll]

Mine is naked and unlinked but still doing her job

[kind palm]

even if not 38% but close to 38% emilia gonna make you like 2.1RL

[unique wagon]

U feed them

[signal hull]

Yo I realize it's been asked a lot but still wassup with this new arena thingie, 2hrs left and my entire group is still at 0 games 0 wins 0 losses, is it normal? We gonna get all at once when time ends or something?

[tropic summit]

but not in p2 i imagine?

[hollow eagle]

it was concluded back then that RH pierce + feed making it 2RL, when it should be originally 3RL

[pale knoll]

Ofc, how would she taunt noah otherwise. I'm not going to leave it to rng

I just slap the dmg reduction cube on her

[tropic summit]

naked and unlinked yet survives in p2 against splashers?

now that's budget friendly

[kind palm]

cuz you are atk team you know if there's too much splasher

[pale knoll]

I did use her against a comp with tlaplace, and against a scar jackal comp too. As long as I didn't get cp diffed, she survived

[unique wagon]

Its not even close to 2 RL

Altho Idk what kind of shenanigan is happening

Must be luck

[tropic summit]

hmm interesting, maybe i should do the same

@unique wagon is your calculator gonna take in consideration CS% too btw?

[placid breach]

wait just notice two different cube spots, does arena only work for all pvp

[unique wagon]

No

Might add if I can API gsheet

[tropic summit]

mhm makes sense

it would be further headaches afterall

[tropic summit]

one is for pve one is for pvp, you can use the arena one

[placid breach]

ah okay, scared me though bc i thought all cube that i had on was removed unless i add up back but look like i gotta look placing proper cubes then

[tropic summit]

with the introduction, iirc all cubes were left as the same as combat for the arena ones

so you shouldn't have any cube removed if those were already equipped

[placid breach]

nice, and good they finally added this feature, most people prob just leave cube as pve build unles super deicated

[unique mountain]

Has any action happened in ca yet

[unique wagon]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1YsDTYGnRK6L8TFXIKJmMR3wHSpc50sM5t-OsT_F6dkU/htmlview

If possible, have people fill this. First page is for def teams only. Can make 2nd page to add team archetypes + prebuilt counter teams.

[tropic summit]

in 2hrs

[unique mountain]

Pog

[unique wagon]

Someone added 5 columns

[unique mountain]

No edit history?

[tropic summit]

just opened it, what am i supposed to fill tho?

just need to know what's the logic and what you're expecting, give me 1 line of example and should be oke

[unique wagon]

Defense team Prebuilts

18 38 131 17 21 is Blanc Emilia RH Biscuit Centi.

Idk who adds those blank columns tho

[tropic summit]

so

Scarlet blanc rh centi jackal

would translate to

135 19 121 21 63

[placid breach]

for noise skill 1, does that even trigger in arena?

[unique wagon]

Yes altho ive personally added Rheax teams replacing cliprl with centi and clipsg with drake treasure lol

[raven plover]

ofkors

[unique wagon]

Exvept bsods dor samid

[tropic summit]

for clip SG probably best using a non treasure unit, like bsoda or noir

[unique wagon]

Hmm actually

[tropic summit]

it's trivial but yeah, more accurate

[placid breach]

okay i believe you lol

[tropic summit]

so you already have a partial matrix with rheax's teams correct?

with this new table you looking for other def teams?

e.g. rosanna teams, soda teams, nero teams

[quick lake]

Seems like a Max function of total TV based on points, pre-built teams and units available

Idk whether Kisenix added the counter team formulas

[tropic summit]

should probably start small with say... 10 archetypes and see if it works first

[quick lake]

idk, kisenix code

[tropic summit]

mhm

[unique wagon]

I think I can update this spreadsheet to allow for name inputs with dropdowns, automatic conversions to codes.

Like the one in Burst Gen sheet

Will makr things mych easier

Im outside rn though

[unique wagon]

I havent added counter team formulas yet

Cus atk and def are separate

If you want, just make a new page on the sheet

If thou have idea on how to structure teams and archetypes better im open to suggestions

[tropic summit]

yeah with chatGPT i'm already doing something similar, it's straight forward

[unique wagon]

I want to add more factors to TV:

• Total Unit Values
• Total Number of Hard Counters, Higher Tiers Subtract More TV
• Shared Counters with Other Defense Teams, Increasing TV
• Winning Rate (Matrix)

[tropic summit]

@unique wagon am i doing it right so far?

(i added a column note that you can remove when you want to, it's just to keep track of what teams i added by eye)

[deep summit]

This is my weakest opponent I can realistically hit, only missing units in 4th pic, any help appreciated, would also appreciate an optimal set up for defence

[tropic summit]

@unique wagon 11 archetypes, i'd say try it out with these? and see how it goes

[tropic summit]

need your box arezu, post it with nikke ordered by strength

i'll leave it to kise on that decision, frame based calc is probably way more complicated, RL is already making it a tad easier

[deep summit]

I’m on phone, so pardon the slight bloat.

That’s all of em

[tropic summit]

assuming without seeing your box, if you can run these you win (doublecheck CP)

your teams are on the left

[unique wagon]

No demand

99% of players dont need it

I dont create something people dont need

No noobs will know what a frame calc will do

Nor how to use it

[tropic summit]

yeah that's the thing

it needs to be a tool that is user friendly

in particular monkey friendly

if you make a complex tool but then the user doesn't know how to use it and will definitely not put time to learn it, it's useless

i'd say start small then see how it goes

if say 10 archetypes you get to see it works, then can build up from there

[unique wagon]

I dont generate defense teams based on archetypes

[tropic summit]

okie, those inputs should then be already usable

see if you can make them work

there's 2RL and 3RL teams mixed in

(if it matters)

[deep summit]

Pretty sure deficit is too high

Really need to get my PVPs overloaded

[tropic summit]

hmm let's see

we can kick T1 into 4RL with padding so we can work on that

T2 is a tad more concerning

[deep summit]

I have a ton of purple doll boxes

Would it be worth it to just give them those

Cause realistically getting those all maxed is unrealistic

[tropic summit]

who's higher CP between ur anchor:IM and blanc?

[deep summit]

Blanc is 79,747. Anchor is only 69,765

Oh, I also need to equip them all with cubes

[tropic summit]

alright try these matchups and post screenshots again, let's see if it gets better

[bleak shale]

It can but it then requires a lot of work to maintain and I don't think I ever settled on a display for it

Also a little more work needs to be done on cspeed before that

[bleak shale]

https://developers.google.com/workspace/sheets/api/guides/concepts#:~:text=The Google Sheets API is,and write spreadsheet cell values

[bleak shale]

Basically this was considered like 1 year ago but it's been on hiatus since, I still have like half of it

[tropic summit]

hmm let's see

[tropic summit]

17% deficit, 12% deficit, you were almost there

i'd say OL and doll up your blanc

same to jackal

[bleak shale]

Yea the reason the calc is 1.x.x is because 2.x was supposed to be the frame calc with a graph to show the burst order

[tropic summit]

also finish scarlet doll if you can

[deep summit]

I have like no stuff for dolls since I've been working on favorite items

[lusty gull]

?

[meager linden]

Hello guys, its ok for mega ultimate super DEF teams? Or i must change something? 😄

I have all girls 🙂

[tropic summit]

T1: ok
T2: ok if trina is SR5 with temperance cube and 4OL, else she can die to elem. atk% splash
T3:

if noise has lower CS% than noah, can make it into

noah centi cind helmt noise

i'm not working on it, i'm just contributing, let's not get ahead of ourselves

Kise is the one working on it at best

[deep summit]

I'll work on getting Jackal overloaded, also can you suggest me defence teams if you can?

[tropic summit]

oke taking a look

ah yes, vtuber collab time

[meager linden]

Trina SR5. Bastion cube 11lvl, 4ol gear +1lvl

[lusty gull]

i can integrate anything if it's an improvement
about teams, i think i will add some counter teams on standard decks too but i need to add some standard decks first

[quick lake]

frame based calc too demanding

Honestly, it opens up a can of worms because now everyone is just rolling cs%. I rather not

There are better tools for CA

Like kisenix and I talked about, team utilisation, unit frequency etc

honestly i would like to see data for this, but CA PVP version

This was how we saw SR data before enikk was a thing

CA also too RNG imo. God like teams still might not rank high due to team ordering

[deep summit]

Pretty much all relevant RLs are priority to OL for CP boost right? So after Jackal. Noah, Biscuit, Trina etc

[lunar pawn]

any recommendations? t1 RH gets indom

[tropic summit]

ein blanc rh centi jackal
noise rouge cind anchor:IM helmT
noah biscuit sbs rrh xmaiden

cubes

quantum on noah, sbs, xmaiden to hit 3RL threshold, if spare slot left quantum on jackal and centi
vigor on blanc, noise, biscuit, anchor:IM (if spare also on anchor:IM)
temperance on noah
any other nikke run highest lvl cube

notes:

-throw rumani in synchro
-consider laplace treasure
-increase your CP on pvp core utilities (blanc, biscuit, noah, centi, rumani, jackal, noise)

[quick lake]

Frame based calc can also make things more complicated. Using excel sheet for pvp is bad enough

[lunar pawn]

do I just make an emilia nuke for t2 and hope biscuit doesn't invul cindy?

[radiant storm]

Is 14.76 + 2.12 on cs cube equivalent to 17% Cs?

Or does it not convert? (16.88)

[quick lake]

16-17% yes

[tropic summit]

you going for 2 wins?

[quick lake]

CA feels like a big game theory optimal game. We see alot of 4xSG + Rosanna in teams, so Mana and Rapunzel stocks actually go down a lot

[lunar pawn]

ok t1 won

the biggest issue is RH, she's a rollercoaster

so I just slapped quantum on scarlet and that's guaranteed 2RL, not rng 2RL lol

[tropic summit]

oh.

you were not 2RL i see

[lunar pawn]

the team is 2RL, but RH

[tropic summit]

that 0.15% should be granted by counters/feed but oh well

[deep summit]

Thanks! Really appreciate all the help,honestly gotta go do more lost sector so I can get Temperance. I'll start working on all those OLs and start on Laplace's treasure as I get more kits for dolls

[lunar pawn]

yea Idk, I feel like RH sabotages my fights consistently lol

[quick lake]

T1, could try 2RL Helm

[unique wagon]

No feed cus only 1 shot per RL

Nvm

Its always 2 RL tbf

[tropic summit]

[lunar pawn]

and his team is allegedly always 3RL, but let me drop the vid

[tropic summit]

[unique wagon]

Did SAnis die too fast or something

[pale knoll]

Excited?

[tropic summit]

i've 0 expectations but just curious if my predictions all land correctly

[unique wagon]

They 2 RL

[bleak shale]

the 0.15 is actually basically always fed because even 5snipers or rockets will still hit 10 times in 2rl

unless ur p1 isnt linked for some reason

[tropic summit]

slower than 2RL but faster than 2.5RL, as blanc B2 is on already when you B3ed

[unique wagon]

Ure 2 RL bro, theyre just also 2 RL I think

[tropic summit]

ye opponent is close to 2RL due to feed on p1

[pale knoll]

Tu me partirte el corazón

[tropic summit]

i don't speak espanol

[unique wagon]

It still doesnt make any sense

The feed shudnt be that much

[tropic summit]

doppel opponents are all well invested in CS%

[pale knoll]

[tropic summit]

not his first case where he gets those matches

[pale knoll]

Italian and Spanish are close enough

[tropic summit]

there's RH also piercing cover that seems to gen higher

[pale knoll]

I understand my Italian friend

[tropic summit]

indeed, sus but somehow blanc already B2'ed when he B3'ed

[bleak shale]

it looks like slightly before 2.5 to me but im not at my pc

[tropic summit]

mhm between 2RL and 2.5RL

enough for blanc to B2 if anything

the secret in arena seems to be to just have CS% everywhere so you can get these funzies

[unique wagon]

Iirc <2.5 RL alr B2 versus 2 RL

[tropic summit]

ye

that'd be this case if we guessing it right

[lunar pawn]

what do I even do in these cases not like having my own 17% CS would help me

can't go faster than 2RL

[tropic summit]

you'd hit 1.5RL

[unique wagon]

No, its the best team rn

[tropic summit]

or specifically, between 1.5RL and 2RL

[lunar pawn]

[unique wagon]

I alr said the best def teams is

[bleak shale]

u would be like 1.9

[tropic summit]

due to s.anis feed on jackal

[bleak shale]

if u rolled all ur chargers with cs

[unique wagon]

• Blanc RH 2 RL
• Noah Biscu 2 RL
• Noise/Moran Bay 2.5 RL

[tropic summit]

and you'd have scarlet kick you into 1.5-2RL

[bleak shale]

[unique wagon]

So ure just fighting against someone with that comp

[bleak shale]

ur basically a tiny bit off

[lunar pawn]

regardless, gotta save my rocks for siren now, then back to building moran, and maybe CS

[tropic summit]

it's essentially what eon is trying to do with his soda team

[cold night]

Man, The one closest to my CP is 4 months ahead of me.

[unique wagon]

You are fighting a nearly unbeatable comp

[lunar pawn]

how much is that team though with quantum on everyone except RH?

closer to 1.8 or smth?

[tropic summit]

that team wouldn't be 2RL without feed

[bleak shale]

tbh cant u beat it with a scar blanc instead of trina

[unique wagon]

Blanc RH 2RL is god team

[tropic summit]

you should try with near 0 feed and they'd probably be 2.5RL

[unique wagon]

If u can manage to do that

[bleak shale]

its actually a blanc sanis with rhb1 no?

[lunar pawn]

according to the calculator it would

[tropic summit]

ye he would, scar would indom RH burst

[bleak shale]

u can probably live the first sanis shot in burst then blanc keeps u alive

[unique wagon]

That team is counterable by letting SAnis burst then wiping

RH always gets indom

Because sanis is support

[tropic summit]

you can let RH burst and just get scarlet to eat her indom

[lunar pawn]

so just go slower with a blanc indom?

[tropic summit]

yes this is also an option, albeit more tedious

[bleak shale]

for the rest of it, eventually u get either sanis vs scar 1hp and AR is likely to win vs sanis unless you reload at the end of ur burst or rh vs scar blanc walled and centi will beat 1hp rh

even if scar doesnt beat it

[unique wagon]

U shud sanis reach B3 then wipe

[tropic summit]

i'd vote for the latter, should always aim for non RNG result

[lunar pawn]

I can just 3RL indom

[sudden drift]

wouldn't rosanna replacing RH do anything there?

[unique wagon]

If sanis doesnt kill ur Scar yet

[tropic summit]

s.anis cannot kill you on B3, but she will kill only after B3, so you can safely enter slower indom

[unique wagon]

[bleak shale]

1 bullet of sanis probably wont kill a linked scarlet will it?

[tropic summit]

it won't

[bleak shale]

[unique wagon]

The brended solution is Emilia

[tropic summit]

especially if 2.5RL or 3RL

[unique wagon]

Emilia Blanc wins that

As long as Emilia kills SAnis

[tropic summit]

there's actually so many options

[bleak shale]

i mean technically u can also just biscuit it

[tropic summit]

ye

2 stacks of biscuit + 3s of noah = around 8-10s of invulnerability and their indom expires

[bleak shale]

cuz rh

[unique wagon]

Or you can just run 5 SGs yes

[bleak shale]

i think 5sg u die

cuz jackal

[tropic summit]

opponent doesn't have scarlet

[unique wagon]

Not if u kill SAnis right after she B3

[lunar pawn]

using noah+biscuit for 2RL

in t3

[bleak shale]

probably a blanc indom match then

[unique wagon]

What's 2nd? Noise Bay?

[lunar pawn]

oh this dude spent gems to push me back to rank 7

[unique wagon]

[quick lake]

here we go

[sudden drift]

30s

[pale knoll]

[quick lake]

inb4 more waiting

[tropic summit]

[pale knoll]

No fk way

[quick lake]

ITS OUTTT

[sudden drift]

dafaq

[hollow eagle]

I havent logged in, what's going on?

[tropic summit]

results in 1hr

[sudden drift]

another hr

[hollow eagle]

HUH

[unique wagon]

Delayed

[pale knoll]

I placed 2nd

[sudden drift]

no wait its updated

[pale knoll]

You can see them

[quick lake]

LFGGG

[tropic summit]

0 losses

rheax

[sudden drift]

RNG FTW

[quick lake]

oh damn cool, u can see all ur matches

[tropic summit]

nice, i guess the unsure predictions went well

[dim escarp]

pog

[pale knoll]

The death animations

[quick lake]

oh wf. The animation for CA battle is different

[tropic summit]

uh lemme watch

[quick lake]

go rewatch some matches

[unique wagon]

After that its waiting again

[sudden drift]

no CP deficit

[lunar pawn]

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[unique wagon]

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[lunar pawn]

rip me

[unique wagon]

Im faster

[wicked burrow]

Im confused, I didnt play not fought but we got results. is it auotomatic in the end?

[hollow eagle]

[unique wagon]

Nooo I'm slower

[pale knoll]

I got first on my other account with 0 pvp investments

[wicked burrow]

so we cant even chose parties to fight against? just complete auto?

[pastel owl]

bot won 1 match

[lunar pawn]

same wins and losses with the first guy, but he probably won more rounds than me, shame

[pale knoll]

For next phase prob

[quick lake]

My reiT was not linked with Jackal... i messed up wtffff

[lunar pawn]

I'll at least get this frame

[pale knoll]

Just wait lmao

[dim escarp]

team 3 suck lmao

[unique wagon]

Rip

[bleak shale]

i voted behemoth cuz she gave me lots of mats (her vote was also bugged and poped up indi)

[tropic summit]

wow those animations are actually annoying

[bleak shale]

behemoth bugs continue to run

[quick lake]

yea..

[bleak shale]

i hope when they release her as a nikke shes bugged af aswell

keep the meme alive

[unique wagon]

If u spam pause, her attacks become slower

[lunar pawn]

wait so is there a cp gap? can someone confirm with a solid matchup vid?

[pastel owl]

the replay camera actually annoying

[unique wagon]

What camera im not in game

[sudden drift]

baffling how lower CP won this matchup

[pastel owl]

death cam

[bleak shale]

u dont like seeing even less than sp arena?

[hollow eagle]

I died due to Scar counter right? (I'm the upper team with Rosanna + SG)
I thought Rosanna could dispel Jackal in time

[bleak shale]

rosanna needs 20 bullets to despell

[hollow eagle]

[bleak shale]

with mg windup thats actually a decent ammount of time

[tropic summit]

@quick lake SGs seem to still target p5? is it consistant?

[coarse solstice]

Against the other bot lol

[wicked burrow]

I want to make sure and it wasnt my fault for missing the time: the game fights automatically you cannot choose team to fight against others right?

[coarse lake]

@restive willow we both lost

[fathom rock]

@tropic summit

[tropic summit]

haha good job

[bleak shale]

if u watch the flashing ur despell happened here aprox

[tropic summit]

3-0 even, flawless

[bleak shale]

cuz the other 2 dont flash when u shoot scarlet anymore

[hollow eagle]

yea, Scar counter absolutely hurt

[unique wagon]

I think someones attacking and someones defending

[ruby iris]

This is good right?

Is it all afk?

[tropic summit]

yeah would be curious to find the logic between that, some matches can go very wrong if sg target p5 or p1

it's even more RNG within RNG

[hollow eagle]

so many weird camera angle lol

[quick lake]

yeah.. some battles we are the one attacking, some battles we are the one defending

[tropic summit]

CA making barely any sense because targetting is all over the place

[pastel owl]

so now we know

1. only got single rounds to each opponent
2. against 1 opponent, u're randomly assigned def/atk for all the 5 matches

[bleak shale]

top team is "defending team" it looks like

[tropic summit]

exactly this, it's all RNG

[pale knoll]

Does deficit even work?

[bleak shale]

mpriv shot p1, sanis shot p5(rapu)

[wicked burrow]

they made this arena so bad, several years to release this is a shame

[quick lake]

Might be the team order? T1 attacking, T2 defending etc

[coarse lake]

there's cp diff isn't there?

[tropic summit]

hmm this would be a good hint to use team order better

[fathom rock]

[shell hazel]

i'm 3rd on mine but in my bracket 3 of us had 2 wins, not sure how they decide who places 1/2/3 in that case?

[tropic summit]

i've a CP dif team iirc against one of my opponents, will tell you once i get to that replay

[quick lake]

I fully sweeped 1 opponent

[tropic summit]

total win count should be

[quick lake]

Total number of match wins

[ruby iris]

Probably total wins-losses

[tropic summit]

yeah cp diff is enabled eon

[quick lake]

Need more examples, to see whether cp-diff exists

[coarse lake]

[tropic summit]

i can send you vid

[ruby iris]

Is it all afk tho?

[coarse lake]

it might not from this?

[ruby iris]

I'm second atm

[coarse lake]

my poseidon got absolutely annihilated

but from my lowest cp team it felt like there is

[shell hazel]

wonder if we can see the results in that case as I did win most of my matches still 😛

[gaunt cypress]

4mil CP with not single win damn

[quick lake]

oh whut

[shell hazel]

the guy in 1st spot I actually beat 4-1

[sudden drift]

didn't see any penalty in my matches