pvp-arena

[tropic summit]

lock ammo on 2nd piece line 2 and reroll till you get atk on line 3 or line 1

[inner drum]

I better find religion first and pray

[tropic summit]

3rd piece lock atk and reroll till you get ammo/elem.atk%/crit rate

[lone sequoia]

unit?

[tropic summit]

piece 4 can sacrifice ele for atk/ammo

[pale knoll]

Mine was no dupes no OL 444, she doesn't need anything. Also, I thought you were saying normal alice, hence why I add the b to remove confusion between the 2

[swift mango]

Your Level though.

[jagged sedge]

Drake has been moved up to SS teir for pvp..

[pale knoll]

Sr is sync locked

[inner drum]

Thanks

[obsidian prairie]

Haven't done any PVP really other than the dailies, can I improve this team or is it fine?

[tropic summit]

what is biscuit doing there

[swift mango]

But not recycle room locked.

[obsidian prairie]

Being cute

[tropic summit]

and why is scarlet without any buffer

post ur box so we get full picture of what you can run

[lone sequoia]

atk or def team

[obsidian prairie]

What

[pale knoll]

Recycle room is not gonna make much of a difference, they are probably not that far away from yours

[keen vapor]

P2W

[swift mango]

It does make difference. And my Alice is zero LB. Anyway, I barely make it with Balice+Rouge to sustain one team. Ofc I needed to hit the bubbles not ignore it.

[pale knoll]

What level is your recycling room tetra and support

Bfr, that's not gonna make a significant difference

My balice was far from dying with both of my accs

[swift mango]

So long as you didn't face tank everything.

Around lv80

[glacial hound]

THERES NO WAY ONE DAY BEFORE CA

FINAL PILGRIM

[tropic summit]

scarlet blanc rh centi jackal

-if helmT has lower atk% (OL included) than scarlet then

scarlet blanc rh helmt jackal

[valid fern]

Nice. but can you actually OL and doll her?

[tropic summit]

@obsidian prairie alternatively, you can also run this rookie team

[obsidian prairie]

In that order too?

[tropic summit]

yep

as long as scarlet is linked, you want scarlet in p1 and jackal in p5 to maximize feed gain

also better odds of proccing s2

[obsidian prairie]

What does linked mean

[tropic summit]

jackal links with the 2 highest atk% nikke in the team, distributing damage

it also doublesdown as extra burst gen gain

due to scarlet s2 proccing conditions, it also increases the odds of countering

[glacial hound]

naked noah better than whatever else i currently have

[umbral belfry]

@tropic summit don't forget to take breaks during your cooks

[tropic summit]

doing my dailies in between thank you hime

[umbral belfry]

[glacial hound]

welp best i can do

[umbral belfry]

just in time for CA

[swift mango]

This is for ReiT... Should I keep and reroll line 1-2. Or waiting for Crit rate, Ammo, Ele, ATK 3rd line.

The 4 are more desirable than Crit dmg ofc.

[valid fern]

Id keep

[mint meadow]

Is it better to put treasure Helm here?

These are my other 2 teams

(switch Red Hood with SBS, that one was just experimental)

[stuck pike]

Jackal is better with scarlet for starters.

[keen vapor]

I rather replace Summer Anis

[unique wagon]

Biscuit with Jackal is counterintuitive

[swift mango]

While I'm going for Solo raid high rank at all. I could still cut it close to 10% in SEA. Good enough for me.

[keen vapor]

Last team too slow as well... 258 synch to own Summer anis

[stuck pike]

Maiden is better with cindy than anis.

[keen vapor]

I got 4.5b

[keen vapor]

With neither* not really on PVP

[mint meadow]

I'm using her in that team because she's the only other RL defender that I had when I made the team. Maybe put switch for Maiden?

[tropic summit]

scarlet alice trina anis jackal
naga centi cind noir noise
blanc sbs pepper biscuit rumani
moran noah helmt mw tia
maiden crown pmaid xmaiden RH

[mint meadow]

Well, I don't have enough resources to make all 3 teams powerfull

[wicked horizon]

I wonder if we'll know somehow if someone from our union is in CA. 🤔

[swift mango]

I only did two times, not even mock.

[keen vapor]

Me neither

[stuck pike]

Maiden has vastly better burst gen and contributes less bullet feed when cindy already adds a lot of bullet feed

[keen vapor]

I did 2 times as well with a little mock

[stuck pike]

Both increase electric atk

[keen vapor]

Cindy is not a lot

[swift mango]

So did you hit 3%.

[tropic summit]

glass cannon on rookie is begging to get noah'ed, indom scarlet might actually RNG it... then again it's rookie so really...

[keen vapor]

Yeah, this is the problem

Neither unit will affect Cindy nuke

[keen vapor]

No

[stuck pike]

Yes neither will but Maiden is doing more for the reasons I said

[sleek wagon]

Awesome, thank you!

[swift mango]

Did you copy others' teams or just yolo and make your own?

[keen vapor]

So, neither matters

[stuck pike]

You're trolling. Cindy has terrible burst gen and needs more burst gen to be somewhat useful.

[keen vapor]

Helm uninvested with treasure gives more burst gen than maiden

[keen vapor]

I copied retro no maids or Bready tho

[stuck pike]

You can use both.

[swift mango]

Well, we have 4 months of difference in resources like skill books.

And my only built water units are Emi and Rem.

[mint meadow]

I'm missing one maintenance kit for treasure phase 2 🥲

[tropic summit]

where's your helmt

[keen vapor]

A battery for last team is heavily needed

[swift mango]

+HelmT

[inner drum]

ya you def need maiden spamming for electric team pve

[tropic summit]

where's your +HelmT

[keen vapor]

By investment I mean maxed skill 1

[unique wagon]

• Scarlet Blanc XMaiden Drake Jackal
• Tia Biscuit SAnis BSoda Rapunzel
• Centi Anis Any-B1 Cindy HelmTr (if MG need Quantum)

[tropic summit]

@swift mango

[stuck pike]

Just throw in shotguns. It's better to have 2 solid teams than 1 with 2 mediocre teams

[keen vapor]

2 RL RH B3 ?

[swift mango]

Oh well, have fun cooking... I will cook for myself after another nap or ask you to cook for me 50 teams.

[tropic summit]

make it 49, 50 is a bit too much

anyway rest well you need it

[swift mango]

Maybe 69

[tropic summit]

get rid of that headache

[tropic summit]

naughty

[unique wagon]

Hmmm

Until the enemy has Biscuit

[keen vapor]

Move Cindy to center

[tropic summit]

chefs battling in the kitchen 🍿

[unique wagon]

I want to see if there are other units

Esp Rumani

So he can run Centi Anis Cindy Rumani BSoda

2 RL cope

[keen vapor]

[tropic summit]

[unique wagon]

Scroll down sir

[tropic summit]

i can smell CP having an heartattack in that team from a mile away

[mint meadow]

I don't have the gems to free up the synch slot rn. She's lvl1 uninvested lol

[tropic summit]

yeah there we go

[unique wagon]

I dont care

[tropic summit]

although the idea was good

but CP had a different plan

[mint meadow]

the rows below are all lvl1

[tropic summit]

[unique wagon]

• Scarlet Blanc XMaiden Drake Jackal
• Tia Biscuit SAnis HelmTr Rapunzel
• Centi Anis Cindy Rumani BSoda

Don't let your dreams be dreams.
Where is Noah tho

[mint meadow]

Don't have her

[mint meadow]

Only Pilgrim missing

[tropic summit]

the "don't let your dreams be dreams" killed me

[unique wagon]

I definitely can tell who those at the bottom are by their hair

Jk

[mint meadow]

Yeah, the cursed ones

[unique wagon]

Is it me or I still dont see Rumani

[mint meadow]

Well, I did say all of the rows below are lvl1

[unique wagon]

Is that the one on the bottom left

[mint meadow]

and I said I have her

[unique wagon]

No thats Yan

[tropic summit]

i'm dying

[keen vapor]

[unique wagon]

Whos that on the third slot

[tropic summit]

screw dreams we gonna need a miracle with this one

[mint meadow]

That's Guillotine

[unique wagon]

[unique wagon]

https://tenor.com/view/disappointment-disappointed-food-review-meme-gif-16003613

[tropic summit]

hahhaahah

[unique wagon]

https://tenor.com/view/baseball-netting-baseball-infield-tarp-bench-chair-gif-17736701

[tropic summit]

tbh i'm already surprised Kise sticked around for so long

his patience lately has grown so far and wide

[mint meadow]

Bro, she was my first SSR pull, but it's not MY fault she's trash lol

[unique wagon]

https://tenor.com/view/blooprint-brick-rust-gif-26443262

[tropic summit]

stop I can't

wdym we just cooked yesterday

[unique wagon]

Tbf at this point just make 2 defense teams

2 RL Scarlet and 2 RL Cindy and put some random ah mf on 3rd

Welp he cant even do 2 2 RL so

[pale knoll]

Why still here

[unique wagon]

https://tenor.com/view/baseball-netting-baseball-infield-tarp-bench-chair-gif-17736701

[tropic summit]

i'm watching kise about to turn into a villain

[pale knoll]

He always waa

[tropic summit]

[pale knoll]

[tropic summit]

true nature coming out

[keen vapor]

Kisenix not hero?

[tropic summit]

he's leaning chaotic good imo

[pale knoll]

I shud have reset those dispatches. Skipping wasnt a smart idea. Im dumb and bricked myself. Now I know and understand that Ijust bricked myself past 2 weeks ggwp I dont have the mats needed to prepare for next solo raid. Im fu k-

[tropic summit]

or chaotic neutral

[tropic summit]

on main or alt?

[pale knoll]

That's kisenix words

[tropic summit]

oh

[pale knoll]

[tropic summit]

yeah sounds about right

[mint meadow]

Btw, Crust is trash in PvP, I assume

[tropic summit]

aye, skipperino

[mint meadow]

Ain't no way I'm skipping her. Out of principle 💀

(also, it's already too late)

[tropic summit]

oh.

[pale knoll]

[unique wagon]

No B1

[tropic summit]

it's looking grim, literally

[mint meadow]

Just put Red Hood

[tropic summit]

and then it's byebye 2RL

[unique wagon]

[lone sequoia]

pascal?

[tropic summit]

we finally getting desperate

[unique wagon]

You need to get Rumani built or Im gonna shoot ur ass

[tropic summit]

LOL

[keen vapor]

[unique wagon]

What anime is this again

[eager mountain]

im indeed thinking of putting pascal...

[unique wagon]

As long as he gets Rumani built he can run a random 3rd team with Biscuit anyways

[tropic summit]

Gakusen Toshi Asterisk

neither good or bad, typical shounen

[eager mountain]

tho better just have rosa clip sg for gen ig

[tropic summit]

not you too, quick return to sanity

[unique wagon]

No wonder I watched that before

[tropic summit]

main grill was cute

[past vortex]

Hi guys excuse me where can I make my squad for the champion arena ?

[mint meadow]

When I have the gems. I literally just spend 25 tickets + 13k gems on Crust (and the 24€ pack that gives 20 pulls)

[tropic summit]

[lone sequoia]

imagine this 2 things for CA:

• cp deficit/penalty and solo raid teams win all the tournament mode making CA just another pve mode
• no penalty and all the whales that don't play pvp lose against some weak600k cp teams that use pascal

[unique wagon]

Sir its literally the same exact anime as Rakudai Kishi no Cavalry with the same exact plot with the same exact story with the main heroine having a similar hair color.

[unique wagon]

Japanese creativity at its peak. Everything IS the same.

[tropic summit]

indeed i thought the exact same thing when i watched it

[mint meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/buzz-lightyear-gif-21327280

[tropic summit]

tbh the hut scene with stella was great

[lone sequoia]

is that one of those "season animes" where the characters use sword and random powers?

[unique wagon]

Its how in Japan, creators are more prolific, whereas in the west animators are more prolific. Japan is churning out more content but at the same time quality is more varied. Some good and bad. Western everything is bad though.

[tropic summit]

ye aka shounen and lately isekai

[unique wagon]

Yes

[lone sequoia]

it doesn't matter, people consume because is what they feed them

[unique wagon]

But now its meta for "Reincarnated Into Another World With This Catch and That Catch or As This or That"

[lone sequoia]

no

the meta is "i was betrayed by my party"

all again

from 2015 ln

or web novels

[eager mountain]

u can try to cook and then compare teams... well we dont have pings here

[unique wagon]

86 is still the best anime and series.

[lone sequoia]

8.5/10 in my rank, really high

[mint meadow]

Well, that's how they wanna catch your attention. By naming the novels exactly like what the premise is. Most anime adapt those novels, so they have to copy the name lol

[unique wagon]

I respect how the series ending lines up, 86 days after the 23rd episode.

[tropic summit]

yeah that was an interesting watch and the ending was very satisfying

[mint meadow]

AoT victim

Also, Steins;Gate and Re:Zero exist

[unique wagon]

But I guess rn its more like creators asking animators to animate their LN more than anything so u mostly get mediocre stuff.

[mint meadow]

imo 👀

[spiral onyx]

I remember way back making a Scarlet-Jackal-Anis-Pascal-N102 team that was super low CP but beat everyone cause OL gear wasn't a thing yet so everyone was squishy af

[tropic summit]

makise my beloved

[unique wagon]

Well some studios are better though

[mint meadow]

But I'm praying for OPM S3

[unique wagon]

Unfortunately, when it comes to anime ratings, they are VERY VERY VERY biased and influenced by subjectivity.

[lone sequoia]

was that around xmas 2022?

[mint meadow]

Day XXX of waiting for an Usogui anime (no, the OVA doesn't count)

[spiral onyx]

No Game No Life S2 when
We already got Index S3 and FLCL 2 and soon to get Panty & Stocking S2...

[unique wagon]

No game no life was pretty good

[tropic summit]

wow we really trying to resurrect something from the grave there

[mint meadow]

At this point, we're exploding from the amount of hopium we inhale

[tropic summit]

wait panty and stocking getting a s2?

[spiral onyx]

Hey, maybe one day they will make a Tsukihime anime

[tropic summit]

nonono tsukihime anime doesn't exist and should never exist

[spiral onyx]

Would be pretty awesome if Ufotable picked it up so we finally have an anime adaptation

[tropic summit]

yeah, on the standards of fate/zero and fate/ubw or heaven feel i'm in

[rich quail]

Well lookie who’s back on top?

[unique wagon]

Why do decent stories with decent character/world building get dumped over stories totally made for waifu

[lone sequoia]

i think about "is it worth to watch x anime/series?" for my rank (hours/time) less than 3 points is bad, 4 decent(or only if you like the genre) higher than 5 is good

[tropic summit]

probably an issue with the latest gen, attention span of a few minutes can't get into the plot but sure can get into the plots

[rich quail]

[mint meadow]

This is literally propaganda

[spiral onyx]

Maybe one day Epinel will finally get the main story intro we've all been waiting for since the first time we watched the game's opening animation

[tropic summit]

they should probably remove 3rd 4th and 5th spot at this point anyway, they're way ahead

[unique wagon]

Nikke story is pretty good but basic

[tropic summit]

interesting tastes, nice cat

[unique wagon]

There is nothing special about it

[spiral onyx]

Plot was never meant to be the game's focus.
"Plot" on the other hand...

[tropic summit]

i get the feeling one is not like the others

[unique wagon]

Tbf world building is centered too much around Pilgrims

Altho thats the story but

[tropic summit]

amen to that

[spiral onyx]

Actually I don't think we ever got introduced to that camel Pilgrim did we

[mint meadow]

Banished to the Shadow Realm

[unique wagon]

Need more Ark lore

[spiral onyx]

Splendamin is actually made out of ||deez nuts||

[mint meadow]

Btw, any Yugioh players in here?

[bleak latch]

my champion arena last team gonna look abomination

[unique wagon]

@whole pawn's nuts? Damn wrong tag

[mint meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/dies-of-cringe-cringe-gif-20747133

[tropic summit]

then again getting deeze 🥜 by Keripo is an honor on its own I guess

[valid fern]

SR Rapi voters finally stopped being dumb.

[unique wagon]

Ill be honest. HI3 part 1 story was more fleshed out. Recent hoyo games story quality, including even Hi3 Part 2, are shit quality.

It feels like Modernia's incident is inspired by Himeko's death

[tropic summit]

they've gotten comfortable in their standards, every one of their game is starting to feel like the same... plus going for quantity over quality, characters eventually get forgotten after their "story" is done

[unique wagon]

But this time Modernia kinda lives

Kinda

[unique wagon]

I like that their story was not as complicated as Nikke but their world building and character development were perfect.

Its how stories should be written.

Not some A to the B to the C to the D then Z to KAKADEEZNUTS then back to A and suddenly there is a plot hole.

[tropic summit]

or 20 cliffhangers and open plots

nikke likes their cliffhangers

[unique wagon]

But honestly

Thats also one benefit of a game with finite characters with battlesuits instead of many characters each with one battlesuit

[tropic summit]

exactly

[unique wagon]

Fewer characters make stories much more writeable and develop-able and create attachment

[tropic summit]

quality over quantity, you can get better attached, can grow and can expand upon

instead of 1 story limited character and then sayonara

[mint meadow]

Just hire more writers

[spiral onyx]

Meanwhile, how big is FGO's roster atm?

[unique wagon]

Yeah why are there no more games like that tho?

[tropic summit]

[unique wagon]

Oh u shouldnt

[tropic summit]

cuz banners make money, FOMO and all of that garbage gacha

[unique wagon]

There should only be ONE writer for a gacha game

Translators can be many

[spiral onyx]

Just have Gen Urobutcher write all the stories. Kills off the new unit at the end of the event so you don't have to incorporate them in the next event

[unique wagon]

Multiple writers are the reason stories are so mediocre nowadays

You see

Most indie games have better story

Reason? There is only one writer

[tropic summit]

i've very high expectations from this one instead:

The Hundred Line: Last Defense Academy

[lunar pawn]

yes

[lone sequoia]

if they have one

[tropic summit]

from the makers of danganronpa and zero escape

[unique wagon]

Even HI3 makes money and creates FOMO

[mint meadow]

And then there's BD2, which has plot and "plot"

[spiral onyx]

Just give me a proper 1/7 scale non-prize Berserker Frankenwaifu figure please

[unique wagon]

The meta today is greedy

More characters= more chance of finding a perfect waifu instead of an actual game with good story.

[spiral onyx]

Ngl, if BD2 started off at launch where is currently at, I might have played it

[tropic summit]

i'm more surprised gacha thrived so far, such anti-gamer practice and people biting daily into scams, amazing honestly

[mint meadow]

Just play it now tho, cuz why not?

[tropic summit]

marketing has done an amazing job on that somehow

[unique wagon]

Cus JPnese dont have much time

And SEA people don't have much disposable income to find entertainment outside gacha games.

[tropic summit]

if the average gacha player was like me the games would all close in bankrupt cuz i spent 0 cents on them all

[unique wagon]

They cannot afford PC to play Steam games nor even play consoles.

As for Koreans, they just want a game to chill and make friends.

[tropic summit]

oof that's sad

hmm makes sense actually

[unique wagon]

There are actually a lot of old Korean gamers

[lone sequoia]

that is the reason mobile legends is more popular than league

[unique wagon]

Which is very interesting to me

[unique wagon]

Yes exactly

[spiral onyx]

This was actually my issue with Genshin. During the time I played, I couldn't find "my waifu" within the limited roster. The only character I ended up liking afterwards was Yae Miko but purely from her character design and only after my wife cosplayed her. I have no actual insight into her character since I quit the game so the attachment is low

[unique wagon]

Steam games are definitely better, not all but some

[spiral onyx]

Then in HSR I got attached to Tingyun but then they, well...
...still warm!

[unique wagon]

That game is only for purely visual content and Blue Archive players*

[tropic summit]

Standalone well designed singleplayer games*

[unique wagon]

Multiplayer games on steam can be good too like

[lone sequoia]

offline games, right?

[unique wagon]

Lethal Company or REPO

[tropic summit]

oh lethal company was fun indeed, out of how stupid it can be

[unique wagon]

I mean we do have something like Dave the Diver or Ori

[tropic summit]

simple and straight forward fun

[unique wagon]

Worth the money purchases

[lone sequoia]

now all singleplayer games need internet connection for some weird sh-t

[tropic summit]

some very rare occasions with coop games

[tropic summit]

oh agreed with this, so unnecessary

[unique wagon]

Cloud save data

Steam save data to be exact

[spiral onyx]

When I play games, I play them seriously and competitively. I don't think I've played a single game where I didn't end up going all in and being competitive lol

[unique wagon]

Its not unnecessary

It helps with hacking tbf

[tropic summit]

say you're without internet and you just wanna play your singleplayer game but can't because you gotta login somewhere

[unique wagon]

But steam also allows users to use offline save data so

[mint meadow]

I like being competitive too. I have like this hyper fixation when I like something lol I really like the team building in BD2. You should try it

[unique wagon]

Monster Hunter also drops in quality bro

Shit used to be fun

[tropic summit]

haven't touched monster hunter in a long while

[unique wagon]

MHFU and MHPortable3rd was pure fighting experience

[spiral onyx]

"I'm just gonna pick up this new game and run a F2P casual account"
2 months later, I'm rank 1 on the PvP rankings and leader of the rank 1 guild on the server
^ story of my life in Valkyrie Connect and Cat Fantasy

[unique wagon]

Now its just arcade fighting not even fun anytmore

[tropic summit]

although i did play a good amount of time on phantasy star online 2

[unique wagon]

Even God Eater, despite being obviously worse than MH stuff, was fun esp the first one but god they are really bad at making things NOT feel repetitive.

[tropic summit]

"oops, i became the best"

[tropic summit]

god eater good times

playing it on psp

[unique wagon]

Its always same boss, same enemy, same map.

[tropic summit]

yes haha

yet i spent more hours than i thought on that silly game

[unique wagon]

Clearing story feels like a chore

[dark olive]

Suggestions for 3 teams for special arena? Been a while since I updated those and got lots of new characters since, thanks!

[unique wagon]

But I like the bullet customization idea

[tropic summit]

mhm

was fun messing with patterns

creating mortars or weird homing bullets

[unique wagon]

Monster Hunter is still more fun. Monster comes. I roll. I die because I roll toward the monster instead of dodging it.

[tropic summit]

peak experience

[unique wagon]

People complain the game is too easy nowadays

I actl bought MHWilds. Will actually play it soon and give my opinion in 1 month.

Non subjective opinion.

[tropic summit]

yes but when are you streaming

[unique wagon]

No

Jk

Rail can cook

MAN I WANNA MAKE AN AUTOMATIC PVP COOKER

[tropic summit]

i think he's synch bricked tho?

[unique wagon]

IM MAKING ONE IDC

[tropic summit]

289 with nier collab?

[unique wagon]

Nikke PvP Cooker:

• Just input your units
• Get cooks
• Done

[tropic summit]

probably can do something like that with AI tho

feed em all the info needed for burst gen and tiers

[unique wagon]

Ah maybe also:

• Inputs enemy defense
• Get attack cooks based on your units list
• Done

No more cooking for people when it cooks for them

Costs $5/mo for the Premium sub jk

[valid fern]

no cap. charge all these champs who can't make CA teams.

[unique wagon]

Wrong game

No, that was god eater

[tropic summit]

scarlet blanc rh emilia jackal
naga centi cind xmaiden noise
noah biscuit sbs rapu noir

quantum on jackal, emi
vigor on blanc, noise, biscuit, rapu
temperance on noah
any other nikke run highest lvl cube

notes:

-finish helm treasure

[unique wagon]

@tropic summit cook for him before he complains to the mods

[tropic summit]

it's already done

[unique wagon]

But honestly I will actually make a Nikke PvP Cooker tbh

[tropic summit]

with AI?

or you've some automatic tool of sorts?

some ultra genius spreadsheet

[unique wagon]

No need AI for that

Although I dont know where to base the design around

[tropic summit]

[spiral onyx]

As I wrote in a different Discord:
If you wanna be a champion, you gotta work for it. Learn to cook like a champ rather than ask for spoonfeeding.

[unique wagon]

Should it be designed around formation fundamentals like enemy defender units, etc, or just around pre-existing teams and confirmed counters/strengths/winrates.

[tropic summit]

money to fund your MHWilds

[unique wagon]

Cus the latter is definitely easier.

[tropic summit]

well considering the limited archetypes it'd make sense

[mint meadow]

Btw, is there any other way to get treasure maintenance kits except solo raid?

[unique wagon]

But may need A LOT of data points. Like what Keripo does.

[tropic summit]

once you've got rock paper scissor set up, it's a matter of using the right one

[unique wagon]

Its also tetris.

[tropic summit]

ye similar to his matrix

[unique wagon]

The tetris one is harder.

[tropic summit]

ikr

getting the CP right but also still ensuring RL and counter

[spiral onyx]

You can definitely algorithm it. Set some base requirements (needs one tank, needs B1 B2 B3, needs 3RL, needs enough buffers for the B3 to do enough damage), preload all the unit numbers. Then input your roster and let the algorithm run the combinations and spit out possible teams

[tropic summit]

[spiral onyx]

It won't come up with optimal teams, but it should spit out functional teams

[unique wagon]

But lets start with a very simple one:

• Auto cook defense comps based on unit list disregarding investments.
• Cook attack teams based on enemy defense individually, where user is presented multiple winning choices.
• Then, cook 2 winning attack teams based on 3 enemy defenses (SpA) while weighing rate of winning.
• Then, cook as many winning attack teams based on 5 enemy defenses while weighing rate of winning (CA?).

[spiral onyx]

That's already way too much lol. Start off with just "cook 5 functional teams using the units I have"

[unique wagon]

Is there any burst gen data thats easily pullable

[unique wagon]

Ah the sheet

I still dk how to cook the burst gen values tho might have to ask Kosmiu

For the formula

And also the feed formula from Gatrix

Heh Ill make an easy one based around preexisting teams for now

[whole pawn]

how did u know I am a Yu GI player

https://tenor.com/view/master-duel-underworld-goddess-white-woman-jumpscare-gif-27225134

[tropic summit]

meanwhile still bullying 65 levels behind

[valid fern]

testing 2RL jackal-less scar/trina. is this too close for comfort?

[tropic summit]

making god works i see

[whole pawn]

me on chal 1 when

[tropic summit]

any easier job on the chefs it's welcome

[tropic summit]

when you start investing on your pvp units

[unique wagon]

GOD I NEED TO ID THE UNITS ONE BY ONE

[tropic summit]

good thing you're getting paid for tha- oh.

[oblique ridge]

Can someone confirm if pressing Save in CA teams still lets you go back and edit & re-save?

[oblique ridge]

I assume so since nobody’s screaming

[tropic summit]

yes it does do not fear

[upper grove]

yugi players can sense each other like stand users

[unique wagon]

I think create 3 teams if possible. If cannot, create 2 teams + throwaway would be a better algorithm, or should it be the opposite. Hmm but

[tropic summit]

it's the power of the cards

[unique wagon]

I should weigh in winning rates too

[whole pawn]

but I m doing that, it's just so slow, ai doenst give enough ressources to lvl up gear
all I can do now Is skill investment

[tropic summit]

yep, it all goes back to the pvp matrix

[spiral onyx]

Yeah, in a sense, its all math. You can actually deterministically predict which team will win based on the numbers cause you can calculate the damage of each attack and simulate the timeline roughly (we dont know RL travel distance for example but that can be estimated by inspecting video recordings). But thats a lot of work

[whole pawn]

damn, that's true

[unique wagon]

No need to go that far

[whole pawn]

I mean I haven't started with trina and noise ol because I m stuck with helm and xludmilla gear, once I finish on both I will ol the other 2

[thin abyss]

Guys any suggestions on how to improve my teams for CA? I have all the nikkes

[spiral onyx]

Girls Frontline actually had something like this. Someone made a full combat simulator that included full timelines

[tropic summit]

weren't you getting comfy in dia1 anyway, just stay there and earn ur 2k gems with ease no? although you could poke sometime into challenger if you didn't lose your rank

[valid fern]

now the question is if someone were to 5SG her would they be dead before she done ded.

time to max out my scarlet's s2

[tropic summit]

wow what happened from T3 onward

[spiral onyx]

Would be an interesting side project to do, if someone had that free time and understanding of PvP mechanics

[tropic summit]

t1 ok
t2 what's moran doing in a glass cannon team, reconsider
t3 what in the world is that
t4 cindy p1 to give enemy 1.75x burst gen? review it
t5 viper sacc? but you bursting with alice?

[thin abyss]

I can't think of anything else for t4 and t5

[tropic summit]

post ur box with nikke ordered by strength

[whole pawn]

if I do that, I will get attackee, which probably well make me loose my spot, and go to dia 2 , which is a lot lower

[tropic summit]

then and easy 2k gems

[whole pawn]

but I get ur point, maybe I should wait for more investment on other units, although this makes stay behind even if I do invest on them
cuz .... no noah to have a cope

[unique wagon]

This is not combat simulator

[tropic summit]

well not having noah at your synch sure is detrimental

[unique wagon]

Its just to help people cook faster

Combat simulator is a pain u need to put in values and stuff

[whole pawn]

I want to off myself
well dia1 is my stay until I get noah

[spiral onyx]

yeah, but you want win rates right? So you can either do what I did manually with my (very outdated) test matrix, or you do it through crowdsource data collection, or you do it through building your own simulator

[tropic summit]

sounds like a lot of work

[unique wagon]

Or just make up values

[spiral onyx]

There's a reason why I havent done it yet 😛

[unique wagon]

Because no one knows

[spiral onyx]

Frame-based burst gen calcuator is something I want to build one day eventually. Especially after I just spent 200 rocks rerolling 17%+ charge speed on a bunch of my RLs

[valid fern]

who recieved the indom?

[unique wagon]

Oh Google sheet has API

[tropic summit]

bugged out on SBS, it's when blanc cast way too close to a unit death

[fast sleet]

quick q: is champion's arena best of 5?

[lunar pawn]

yea

[unique wagon]

No, u shud help me make auto pvp cooker

[tropic summit]

best of how many wins you can get, both on attack and def

your total then determines your final score

realistically you should win at least 3 out of 5 on attack

[valid fern]

so nobody recieved indom? really hate the fact I can't even confirm from the buff bar.

[tropic summit]

depending on opponent pvp knowledge then getting the extra wins or not is gonna determine your victory

[unique wagon]

I think basing off winning chance is not good

[spiral onyx]

Naw, just have ChatGPT do that lol

There's actually a very easy way to do this

[unique wagon]

I think its better basing off counters. If two teams has the same counters, give it higher value.

[spiral onyx]

Record all the teams used by all CA participants

[tropic summit]

feed burst gen tables, feed matrix win ratios, determine best matchup based on counter/tier/CP

[spiral onyx]

Record each team's win rates

[thin abyss]

Can't open the game RN
But should I consider it the same as SP Arena? I mean, focus on winning with the first fullburst?
I thought I should have made more resistant compositions

[spiral onyx]

Build a test matrix using that as your base data

[lunar pawn]

biggest question though is what happens when everyone has the same number of wins in attack and def

[spiral onyx]

Feed in the results of every new CA

[tropic summit]

in general, 2RL team is prefered, or at least 3RL to force opponent hand a bit

[spiral onyx]

And now you have a ranked list of team comps

[unique wagon]

Better start with rookie

Then spa then CA

[tropic summit]

yeah we were discussing it earlier today, might be based on who's first to claim the most wins

[spiral onyx]

SP Arena has synchro level imbalance

CA is fixed at 400 so it's more comparable

[unique wagon]

I know but it is demanded

[spiral onyx]

ah, you see, thats where the difference lies

[lunar pawn]

is that stated in the rules or just speculation? super shady though

[unique wagon]

We dont store sync values

[tropic summit]

speculation so far

[spiral onyx]

you're looking to build something that is practical for 90% of the player base

[tropic summit]

haven't heard/read anything confirming or denying it

[lunar pawn]

would be funny if it was possible, CA bugs out, game gets error 404, crashes for everyone

[spiral onyx]

I only care about building something that determines what the "best of the best" is

[thin abyss]

All right I'll check it
Thanks 👍

[unique wagon]

Those are 2 different ideas

[bitter trout]

It starts in 16 hours??

[unique wagon]

Best of the best is good but we know the forbidden raid site tells us its not 100% ideal

[cedar pike]

Can anyone help me create a team for SP arena?

[lunar pawn]

CA is just SPA reskinned with flavor rewards

[unique wagon]

We have to balance it out

[unique wagon]

Not for PvP cooker

[brittle hill]

the union rewards are bad, everyone has those white credit thingies

[lunar pawn]

no, exact same, just nearly twice the effort since you gotta cook more teams, everything else is the same experience

[unique wagon]

Ill keep it simple for the prototype. No winning chance weighing. Just a simple 3-5 team cooker and randomizer (people can "shuffle" combinations). @spiral onyx

[valid fern]

imagine if it rewarded union chips to your union.

[unique wagon]

And in the future maybe add stuff like "the enemy does not have: these units"

[brittle hill]

Yeah then my union leader wouldnt give me crap about investing in pvp . I should be rewarded for it

[unique wagon]

Cus honestly what matters is some cooks, counters and countered by, before we go minmaxing winning chance.

[lunar pawn]

send all your ideas in social media that's not discord, devs don't know this place exists

[unique wagon]

Oh yeah @spiral onyx CA is also not ideal cus people have diff investments and cores. No sync imbalance but there is still imbalance.

[umbral crown]

Emi 38 waos

[lucid wave]

Guys, any suggestions on this team? Who should I replace, or what should the positioning and cube be for each unit?

[unique wagon]

I am gonna only find and use objective fair data.

[unique wagon]

I am the dev

[lunar pawn]

blanc will give indom to either noise or laplace in that team

[unique wagon]

If anyone can do me a favor, probably give me some common PvP cooks.

More like a list of ALL PvP cooks u can think of.

[lunar pawn]

well whatever, I already secured 1 frame from CA

participation frame

[unique wagon]

I will manually rate them from 100.0 to 1.0 being lowest value

[lunar pawn]

what categories are you scoring

[umbral crown]

[lucid wave]

Any suggestion to make it better?

[unique wagon]

Then we use TV = Team Value for the actual project (not the prototype), where it takes account of winning chances, known counters and decounters, known enemy missing what units, and even whether any of the teams have multiple shared hard counters (i.e. if two teams are both countered by Noah, both have higher TV).

[lunar pawn]

no centi?

[unique wagon]

Now someone fund the server so I can put it online

[unique wagon]

Manual input. If a team feels good or just a cope for now.

[lucid wave]

I have her on that team with blanc

[lunar pawn]

right

wouldn't use blanc with cindy, just cook a 2RL nuke with cindy

[unique wagon]

@tropic summit pls help with data

Can u help me list all common PvP units

Oh wait prydwen tier list

[lunar pawn]

self promotion time

[unique wagon]

Is there a website that lists characters released in release order?

Nikkek.gg?

[stuck pike]

Yep, but throw sakura in there on attack vs wind dps

[lucid wave]

Will it work better if i replace blanc with Trina ang use blanc on scarlet team?

[stuck pike]

It's also got a few weird placings

[lunar pawn]

probably, but I don' really look at nikke fansites

[stuck pike]

Trina replaces blanc except vs certain noah stall teams

[lunar pawn]

personally I prefer blanc indom on emilia or sbs

[valid fern]

prydwen tier list - you get S tier, you get S tier, and you get S tier. Every one gets S tier.

[unique wagon]

nah it's good

its defense oriented

[lunar pawn]

think both prydwen and nikke.gg have messed up tier lists

SS and SSS shouldn't exist, because you'll only get newbies looking at those lists, seeing units at S or A, and think "these are probably pretty good"

[valid fern]

oh wait I actually meant to throw shade to the nikke gg one lol

[stuck pike]

Agree to disagree. Sakura aside. It's not completely off the mark, but placements are off at the top.

[unique wagon]

which placements

[tropic summit]

i think i know where you can start, this one has most of the common archetypes used in SP arena, which could be replicated on CA in part

#pvp-arena message

[valid fern]

but tbh they are both similar

[tropic summit]

throw anis and mana in synchro

[oak gale]

what are the rewards from the championship arena thingy? or is there no info bout it yet?

[lucid wave]

Sadly I don't have emiia but I have SBS

[stuck pike]

Vouchers in unions. Rest is just frames

[oak gale]

meaning?

[tropic summit]

viper liter cind anis tia
pmaid blanc ein dkw centi
auto

[stuck pike]

Basically ignoreable rewards

[cedar pike]

Thank you very much!

[tropic summit]

can you post your box with nikke ordered by strength and without being part of teams? (your default box is fine)

[stuck pike]

It's for flexing. You should already get enough vouchers from rookie and special arena to buy the 3 different elemental codes every day

[lunar pawn]

does the calculator default to basically never if it's longer than 4RL?

[stuck pike]

Yes

[lucid wave]

Sure

[oak gale]

also how painful is this? found it like this when i opened the league 💀
@tropic summit
noise , centi , cinderella , helm stage 2 doll , ruamani
noah , biscut , rapunzel , summer anis , bunny soda
scarlet , liter , rapi redhood , trina , jackal
alice , quency escape , phantom,rapunzel pure grace , grave
noir , privaty maid , zwei , sbs ,blanc

[lunar pawn]

don't try to bait people with untreasured helm, people can see your doll status now

[oak gale]

yep , its like this since the past update i think

[tropic summit]

ah ye i had my T4 and T5 auto filled aswell

painful indeed

[lucid wave]

Here's my team

[tropic summit]

oki taking a look

[lucid wave]

Do I need to build my rosanna?

[tropic summit]

if your campaign team and kraken team is done and built, you could

progress should be your main priority before you can splurge on pvp

[oak gale]

i doubt there are any better options anyways-
now its the nightmare of telling myself that i need to build 2 more teams for pvp-

a;lso wait if its autofilled , THEN DID I PLACE THE WRONG RAPUNZEL IN THE 3V3????

I DID-

[lunar pawn]

[tropic summit]

scarlet sbs trina anis jackal
noise centi cind helmt rumani
noah biscuit rapu s.anis laplace

quantum on anis and jackal
vigor on noise, rapu, biscuit
temperance on noah
resil on s.anis, s.anis must be minimun burst lvl 9 and run no ammo OL
any other nikke run highest lvl cube available

notes:

-ensure helmT has s1 lvl 10

[unique wagon]

[tropic summit]

that is definitely not the right rapunzel

[tropic summit]

wow you actually already started working on it

[oak gale]

didnt matter much since its the team that already loses 💀 but switched it back
do i send u my box?

[tropic summit]

you want me to build your CA teams?

[oak gale]

well i did ask u too about which character to build next , but didnt have the time to send the box since i had exams, but ye could be that too but i doubt i have anytthing that works for the other 2 teams 💀

[summer copper]

Build others to lose so you can win

[tropic summit]

go ahead then let's see what you got

[upper grove]

can't wait for CA and check if pvp deficit still exists

[tropic summit]

it does

if anything i wouldn't take the chance to run into 15,4% regardless

unlike SP arena, you only got 1 shot (until the next season at least)

[upper grove]

I sacced so many pvp OL for the last SR at least it paid off

[tropic summit]

oh right it was you with the overly built phantom

[oak gale]

only note is that from cinderella to modernia everyone has full ol
and there are some characters that have the recommended skills etc

[oak gale]

if it works it works , there is a reason im not stuck in elysion tower

[tropic summit]

no just def, you'll pick teams adhoc once you attack your opponent (on assumption atm)

[unique wagon]

chatgpt time

[oak gale]

and i mean hey , u should be more conerned about my quency dont u think? @tropic summit

[umbral crown]

latex buba max skill

[tropic summit]

you're proably gonna have to throw pepper and maiden into synchro

[umbral crown]

[tropic summit]

yes i've tried to ignore her

[oak gale]

mhm, in place of mana and dkiller i assume or anis?

[oak gale]

[lunar pawn]

CA moment

[umbral crown]

[oak gale]

also hold on shouldnt quency be dealing more dmg than scarlet ult wise?
or what?

[lunar pawn]

distributed dmg means that damage will be divided by the amount of enemies

[oak gale]

so the more enemies the less dmg

[lunar pawn]

correct

[oak gale]

is this why her burst never effects things like rockets or projectiles that come from the boss?

[tropic summit]

naga centi cind noir noise
scarlet sbs trina xmaiden jackal
rumani mari qeq mana helmt
noah biscuit rapu s.anis bsoda
pmaid alice rrh anis liter

cubes

vigor on biscuit, rapunzel, noise
temperance on rumani, noah
resil on s.anis, s.anis must be lvl 9 burst minimun, no ammo OL
quantum on jackal, trina
any other nikke run highest lvl cube

didn't need pepper or maiden, would tank your CP anyway, run with that (T5 is pure cp pad, 5RL)

[oak gale]

these are the cubes , highest is resiliance and quantum

[tropic summit]

i gave you the cubes already

[oak gale]

ik just saying lol , tho what should i build next?

[pale knoll]

Bros still here

[oak gale]

like what character should i focus on? since i think after i ol5 helm idk what else to focus on pvp wise

[tropic summit]

your utilities are screaming in pain

i'd say rumani, biscuit, rapu, mari, centi, noise

4/4/4, 4OL, R15-SR5, 3 lines

[oak gale]

centi is built tho right? like full ol is enough? with lvl 5 doll

[tropic summit]

no i took breaks 🍿

[pale knoll]

You remind me of how I used to be on #team-building everyday, most of the time of the day

[tropic summit]

either your centi is very well built or your SBS is very underbuilt

but ye that's the point: 4/4/4, 4OL, R15-SR5, 3 lines

[oak gale]

ye he is always here 💀 which im trying not to jinx it lol

[tropic summit]

meh this week just cuz i'm on paid leave, i wouldn't have all this time and freedom anyway

[pale knoll]

Fair

[tropic summit]

usually this would be my bed time already

[pale knoll]

Where from?

[oak gale]

sbs is underbuilt , but again , my rapi redhood is full ol with 10 10 10 if it helps the view of the highest cp wise to lowest
sbs is just lacking skills thats all

[lucid wave]

Thanks alot!

The only thing that I need to be worried is the CP gap on the enemy team

[oak gale]

centi 1 1 4
sbs 4 4 4
if u see what i mean @tropic summit

[upper grove]

my teams for CA are so scuffed, I have 2 2RL teams and 2 3RL teams, the last one is just a filler team with highest cp leftover units

[oak gale]

rail has officially died 💀

[lunar pawn]

@tropic summit better get some good night sleep today, tomorrow when attacking is made available everyone will be asking here if their attack is good enough to beat the defense

[indigo bramble]

Am I like an idoit? I can't figure out how to set my team for the champion arena??

[oak gale]

"activates when attacking with full charge or self"

[oblique ridge]

PvP diehards are in luck in CA if they managed to get in. If the whale is too casual, you’ll crush them with deficit penalty help because your PvP units are OL’d, gear leveled, dolled, cube levelled, skill leveled, and maybe breakthroughs if you’re lucky

But does deficit penalty apply in CA? 👀

[oak gale]

i mean rail says it applies , butkinda hrd to think about it since it auomatically sets everyone's lvl to lvl 400 no?

[oblique ridge]

Oh it does but it doesn’t spare you from being hit with the deficit penalty stick

[indigo bramble]

I'm not gonna do jack in champions if I can't figure out how to set the team....

[lunar pawn]

yes

[oblique ridge]

I took a super maximized team on purpose to check the maximum potential combat power. It was “over 900,000”. Might be able to reach 925,000+ but that’s pushing things to the limit

Means 5 completely maxed out characters in all possible ways except Recycling Center bonuses

[oak gale]

there still must be a reason to at least farm now come on
surely they would make us still care about oling characters and getting dolls for them instead of willy nilly

[raven plover]

core diff for f2p

[oblique ridge]

Yeah, it’s fine. Now, something more reasonable… Idk, but basically somewhere below 900,000 is reasonable

[coarse lake]

There is no point to investing for ca if there's cp diff

[oblique ridge]

Let’s say someone has 750k power

Then, what about you guys that are qualified for CA?

[coarse lake]

5 teams of 750k is cp diffing like 3-5 teams of almost everyone

[indigo bramble]

I loose.... becuase I can't make my team...

[oblique ridge]

640k power team runs into 15% deficit if opponent has 754k power

[raven plover]

you cant enter league?

[oblique ridge]

But is 15% beatable?

Probably, but certainly enemy has an advantage

[indigo bramble]

Itt tells me to make my team, but where the Frick do i do that?

[unique wagon]

Bro how does chatgpt know XMaiden is Maiden WInter thing

[coarse lake]

Outside of Levis and extreme pvp investers, most ppl's good teams hover around 600-650 at best

[raven plover]

ye you cant enter league right?

[oblique ridge]

I’ll be impressed if it says Ice Maiden is Electric Element

[placid bloom]

where are people getting the attack/defense idea from, the UI just looks like single Bo5 round robin

[unique wagon]

Its even more impressive than that

[indigo bramble]

The button never unlocked before this season?

[raven plover]

you can enter it, if you cant, youre not qualified

• need to get top 4 sp arena reward last season
• need to be lv 200
• need to have minimum 25 units

you make team there

[oblique ridge]

I’m glad CA arena only value reward of note for myself are vanity frames

I could literally throw it

[unique wagon]

I give it all Nikke chars and told them to convert a preset PvP teams into ID teams. and it converted laplace treasure, helm treasure, xmaiden, and some other insane stuff.

[oblique ridge]

And even if I wanted the frames

[indigo bramble]

I guess my 60 level. 475 girls aren't enough....

[oblique ridge]

I’d have to commit to winning 30 times or I’ll feel my OCD go into overdrive

[quick pivot]

So, I finally got the Drunklet during Bready banner. She's not invested to where I want her yet, but once I do get her built, how to shift up the SP Teams? Current teams and current roster

[oblique ridge]

[raven plover]

did you receive top 4 reward last season

[indigo bramble]

No clue I just spam click all the piles of crap I get

[unique wagon]

[placid bloom]

check your mail

[indigo bramble]

The champion button qas always grayed our before

[raven plover]

ye you can have 500 lv 2000 units but if youre not top 4 sp arena then youre not qualified

[indigo bramble]

I figured since I could click I was in

[placid bloom]

no, you are able to enter to bet on winners tomorrow

[indigo bramble]

Bahahaha I was 34th I the arena

I don't pay much attention to the daily farm stuff

[unique wagon]

It finally gave up and made a mistake gg

[indigo bramble]

That's gotta be a new feature

I really should pay attention to things other than story realeses lol

[unique wagon]

wow chatGPT 4o does it accurately and the free one doesnt damn sad

we are going deepseek with this one

[verbal oasis]

https://www.blablalink.com/shiftyspad?uid=MjkwODAtMzM0NTk3ODY3MjcwNDk4ODYwNw%3D%3D

Guys here is my roster can u suggest me 5 teams for champ arena

[unique wagon]

ok my code broken

@tropic summit bruh THESE ALL HAVE DUPLICATES

my generator having a choke

im just gonna keep it simple for test

[blissful willow]

bay over anchor personally

not sure how good anchor is practically

[unique wagon]

Scarlet Trina HelmTr RedHood Jackal
Noah Centi Cinderella Rumani Anis
Blanc Emilia Biscuit LaplaceTr Rapunzel

Let's use this as testing.

[blissful willow]

otherwise not bad

[placid bloom]

Anchor is probably okay, it lets everyone overheal with the lifesteal depending on how fat the storage is

so you get the immediate HP to tank one shot AoE and overheal after

[unique wagon]

damn ok

[oblique ridge]

Just hire doros

[unique wagon]

im creating a simple pvp cook generator

now I just need conversion from ID to name as well as UI for "what units u have invested"

[unique wagon]

It works.

[eager mountain]

huh how does this work

[unique wagon]

it just works

[eager mountain]

[oblique ridge]

It’s been photoshopped

Hm, does anyone even know what that means nowadays?

[eager mountain]

what is photoshop? a place u shop photos?

[oblique ridge]

[eager mountain]

[ornate spoke]

so if i dont have enough to make all 5 teams with decent RL, does just going with highest CP for the last team helps?

[eager mountain]

cp team with SGs

if u dont have high cp SG, rip

[oblique ridge]

What’s the combat sequence anyway? Just like SP Arena? Line 1 team vs Line 1 enemy team?

[ornate spoke]

the issue is the SG in specifc lol

[oblique ridge]

All the way to line 5 vs line 5?

If so, it’s similar to SP Arena but more teams. Win the first 3 instead of first 2

[eager mountain]

yeah its hard for most to come up with 800k sg cp team

[oblique ridge]

And you get to play mind games around whether you can foist a throwaway team on the enemy’s good team By guessing which line will be hit by their best team and putting your suckiest team there if you have no confidence in beating it

[unique wagon]

rip

[eager mountain]

since there aint many sg hard meta that ppl have invested in

[ornate spoke]

team 5 just goes

[eager mountain]

better be drawing from rock paper scissor card

[vague slate]

Where do I start to learn about the art of pvp?

[ornate spoke]

my sugar is literally 1/1/1 0OL lmao

[unique wagon]

rip chatgpt broke and give me broken code

[vague slate]

Oh yeah I've been browsing the tier list, loving the explanations

[ornate spoke]

i started this game for T&A, why im I getting feels from the story and sweaty over pvp

[unique wagon]

finally

[umbral belfry]

whats this

[whole pawn]

is this gonna help my low IQ to make teams

[unique wagon]

Its just a very basic prototype. It should 100% be web-based.

And there is no team weighing yet.

with some random ahh manually crafted teams. weighing with team value is important but I am still researching.

[quick lake]

An Enikk for pvp would be nice. Utilisation of pvp units, and which units typicaly go tgt, freq of usage

[unique wagon]

shud have unit weighing too like Jackal always gets used higher prio to lower prio

[quick lake]

I was thinking of something similar too

[eager mountain]

half of the cook request doesnt have a built rumani

so freq usage def have all the biases....

[unique wagon]

so probably based on TV (Team Value) = (Total Unit Value + Team Counters Who - Team Gets Countered by Whom + Winning Rate (need data)) with multiplier for each shared countered by whom with other teams.

then instead of random, genereate combinations with highest TV, then for each "shuffle", pick the one next highest.

Should also be cached to speed up (calculated beforehand so only the final value is used in the code)

[quick lake]

I was thinking, Win Rate * Freq = TV

Like u calc Win rate of team archetypes based on CA results, then multiply by Freq of Teams

[eager mountain]

tf

[unique wagon]

its ouitdated

[lone sequoia]

that only work with base stats. if you add OL/cores or something simple like team synergy that change a lot

• you have to add for atk and def

[quick lake]

Yeah, that;s true as well

[unique wagon]

https://www.prydwen.gg/nikke/tier-list/ gonna do SSS = 100, SS = 90, S = 80, A = 70, B = 60, C = 50, D = 0, E = 0, F = 0

nah negative values will be bad

[quick lake]

Hmm, I still like my initial idea. Win rate of common team archtype * Freq of team archetype

[unique wagon]

thats one of the factors

one factor is not enough

[quick lake]

Like in my sheet, 4x SG + Rosanna has a very low win rate. But if u account for Mana/Rapun Revive teams, its win rate is probably much higher

But like Nesso said, doesnt take into account investment difference

[lone sequoia]

now, if you want something like a team viewer, that helps. the other thing would be to simply select a team at a certain speed and ask for options based on how the teams work to defeat the one you are looking for (burst and skills, no OL) but that needs the community help

[quick lake]

[unique wagon]

TV (Team Value) = (Total Unit Value + Team Counters Who - Team Gets Countered by Whom + Winning Rate) * (1 + 0.1 For Each Shared Counterer * Number of Teams Sharing)

Should be somewhat similar to this.

but for now I just wanna move on the counters

[lone sequoia]

you get a team core, 2~3 units, a burst chain or a speed mark

[unique wagon]

cus people always ask "how to beat this team"

implementing that is the hardest part

[lone sequoia]

you can make different groups

how to counter the team core or main dps, the speed of the team or critical units/positions

[quick lake]

Sounds interesting, but either u pull data from CA results or manually input

[lone sequoia]

how you counter blanc? a faster team (nuke), kill blanc first (no biscuit) how you counter the dps; a nuke unit? noah- emi? noah or a slower team+ blanc

[unique wagon]

We discussed this

whether I wanted to base it around preset teams or base it around fundamentals

[lone sequoia]

yeah, but people who don't know about pvp are the first to use these tools

[unique wagon]

its just how the teams are generated

[lone sequoia]

most of them don'teven read

[unique wagon]

if preset means "look for known solutions to this problem, find an appropriate one, share it"
fundamentals mean it tries to think logically and form teams based on P1, P2, P3, etc, which can be right or wrong

[quick lake]

They still need to und pvp.
If the answer is: 2RL Scar Trina flex flex flex

Then they gonna ask, what flex unit to put

[unique wagon]

at that point just make a FAQ

[lone sequoia]

well, that is how pvp works

[quick lake]

possibly yeah

Interesting idea looking forward to it

[unique wagon]

However, that doesn't solve the problem of defense team generation.

[quick lake]

Just throw them some cookie cutter defence

[unique wagon]

I am well aware a simple FAQ is enough for people who read.

[thorn pagoda]

Does champion arena group all the top 4 players from multiple different servers or just the current spa server you’re in? “Qualify for the top 64”?

[quick lake]

Ur current top4 for now

[lone sequoia]

same sp bracket?

[quick lake]

i think so

From what I understood was, top4 of each SPA bracket battle it out. Then the overall winner from each server then gets promoted to tourney top 128/64 format

[thorn pagoda]

Ahhhh. Cool

[unique wagon]

nah I give up

[quick lake]

[lone sequoia]

what about a random team generator to troll people?

sanis/noir

[raven plover]

wtf

[lone sequoia]

research lab is strong in some accounts

[raven plover]

[eternal finch]

Current SP DEF teams but no longer work on my group. Any recommendations?

[unique wagon]

send ur roster bruh

we are not gods

need Trina

[umbral crown]

rapipi burst and they deleted you

hobo, you have your teams ready?

@polar echo hey, you in champs?

[eternal finch]

impossible

[crystal flicker]

I make 3 good CA team, but the other 2 kinda not the best

[umbral crown]

auto and hope for the best

[crystal flicker]

Need more clip RL

[eternal finch]

current roster

[umbral crown]

x.maiden max doll, looks interesting

[crystal flicker]

My biggest issue is my comp only have lv0 OL

[umbral crown]

for next season try to OL your units

[crystal flicker]

They're OL'd tho

It just leveling to 5 OL expensive

[quick lake]

Hardcore pvper

[jagged mesa]

can anybody help out for CA? i sadly dont have some core units like noah jackal rumani etc.

[umbral crown]

[quick lake]

Give up

[crystal flicker]

I guess you are already inputted most common pvp comp to the db/array, then letting user input their available Nikke(s).
From there the program only needs to loop through the db/array, while also alreadyUsed ? skip() : addToCompArray() && searchForOtherNikke()

[raven plover]

teams ready but cp not ready

[jagged mesa]

everybody always gives up on my roster but i somehow always manage to cinch top 3 lol

ok guess ill just stop asking and continue yolo

[umbral crown]

whats your highest cp and lowest

[lunar pawn]

everyone burnt out from cooking CA teams, not to mention tomorrow will be 10x worse

[raven plover]

highest is 720k, lowest is 650. cant make 680k minimum

[umbral crown]

oh no bad, mine is 740 and lowest 605 or so but the rest looking fine

still in range against most people

[raven plover]

Im not even in range of my rank 1 if he use his pve teams

[wanton juniper]

I hope not, this would be dumb. Should just be top 4 from random server v top 4 from random server. There is a reason someone is rank 1 in SP on my server. It's because no one in 2-4 can top them. Nothing is going to change that because they're a whale. Rank 4 of one server should face rank 4 of another and move from there. Guess we'll see. Glad the rewards are just a frame and not gems to help whales, whale harder.

[umbral crown]

well, those are exceptions

[strong hull]

[umbral crown]

i could have a 760k team if i use helm but i sent her to another team

[swift mango]

CP padding exists everywhere.

[swift mango]

[quick lake]

u cook

[strong hull]

Im just cook myseld 5 defs yesterday

[umbral crown]

remember: always trust your investments

[strong hull]

Look very good

[umbral crown]

Rheax can confirm

[strong hull]

[umbral crown]

[swift mango]

But my investment can't beat this.

[crystal flicker]

Cooked

[umbral crown]

neither mine but we are not against that boi so rest assure

[crystal flicker]

Oh I thought that was your acc

[umbral crown]

no need to stress out for an account we not gonna face

[swift mango]

[umbral crown]

[crystal flicker]

Whats investment to reach 680? SR15 all OL level 5?

[umbral crown]

for now just focus in your bois from your bracket

[umbral crown]

• good lines and max skills

[crystal flicker]

wdym

[umbral crown]

overload lines

[crystal flicker]

they're pretty good lines yes

[umbral crown]

and the units max skills

also cores

[crystal flicker]

I mean what's with the people from same bracket?

[umbral crown]

you first gonna fight your top 4

then if you win, move to tournament

[crystal flicker]

am I

iirc last ranking I finished at top 3

[umbral crown]

you gonna fight C1,C2 and C4

[crystal flicker]

Haven't checked C2 and C4 comp for a while

[thorn pagoda]

champion arena is the best of 5 rounds, right?

[quick lake]

we dont know anything either

[thorn pagoda]

i see.

[quick lake]

Just win as many team match ups as possible

[umbral belfry]

[thorn pagoda]

5 and 6 in spa are both fighting for 4th now lol

and 4th keeps wasting gems

[lucid wave]

@quick lake can you help me build my team for CA? Here's my nikkes

[quick lake]

Noah Centi Cindy THelm Noise
Scar Trina RH Anis Jackal
Blanc Biscuit SBS Laplace Rumani
Grave Viper Alice Rapun Pepper
Auto

[lucid wave]

Thanks alot!

[quick lake]

I aint gonna cook atk teams, so yall will have to learn

[umbral crown]

[quick lake]

Below sync 300 shouldnt bother with CA imo

[umbral crown]

but but the fun and experience

frames

[quick lake]

True. Just have fun pvp-ing, thats all that matters

[umbral crown]

and then an wild Ein deleting your team

[quick lake]

Rosy's Ein

[umbral crown]

[thorn pagoda]

i remember we had a conversation last year, we would both login every 2 hours or something
very bad due to the stress
glad you have found a way to distract yourself from logging on. so have i this year

[umbral crown]

thats because rivals not into pvp too much

and the only one i had for a while was the whale who is now 431 and im 352

[thorn pagoda]

you'd be first if he wasn't pay 2 win, but that's no big deal in the grand scheme of life

as long as it doesn't give you a headache thinking about it

[quick lake]

T1: imo 3RL Scar is too slow. Soda stun at 3RL is irrelevant because opponent will run a faster nuke
T2: Jackal team being 3RL is wayy to slow. Even with feed may not reach 2 or 2.5rl
T3: Helm burst kinda iffy. Its tauntable too. I personally ran Helm + Noah and it works ( at least in spa)
T4: Okay ig. But I personally prefer 2RL Cindy
T5: Leftovers

[umbral belfry]

I'll prove you wrong (and lose)

[quick lake]

Hime is different, cause u can cook

[umbral belfry]

[quick lake]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/668761667873538071/1355298027849384147/crustcooking180.gif

[umbral belfry]

there's hope

[quick lake]

Even if u have good defence, if u cant cook atks, u are done for either way

[crystal flicker]

You forgot what Ratatouille's head chef said

https://tenor.com/view/anyone-can-cook-ratatouille-ratatouille-movie-colette-janeane-garofalo-gif-24608053

[astral kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/martin-yan-yan-can-cook-chinese-food-gif-15994921

[quick lake]

Sample CA Teams: #1359332904706117693 message
Speculated CA Gameplay format: #pvp-arena message
CP and Team formation: #pvp-arena message

Can reference the sample teams. Be aware of CP as well. May have deficit penalty

[umbral crown]

yeah, just cp gap but now in CA im not gonna be cp gapped by him ¨i believe

[quick lake]

U will crush him

[umbral crown]

thats the hope hahaha

[coarse lake]

found the cs diff

enough cs on all 3 p3/p4/p5 clip rls (centi or higher gen needed so that 1rl feed is enough to get 2rl

slowest of the three is 10% cs p5 jackal

can stun enemy 2rl jackals before they burst

tested on 2 diff opponents

new potential problem, the jackals actually seemed to be able to burst right before they died to nuke, but it's hard to tell since there's only the chain effects, noise might or might not trigger hp heal in time

and the more cs I have, the bigger the problem actually is, since it lets their b1 recover from stun faster and maybe be in time

so there's a perfect sweet spot somewhere, might be where I'm at rn

[queen mango]

any counter?

[coarse lake]

I just need to find a 2rl noise to test on

@kind palm I found the cs to actually stun the b1, it's 10% cs on p5

[queen mango]

wdum box?

one sec

[coarse lake]

if you got a 2rl noise in your brackets you can test on, and can make that 10% p5 be the slowest rl, test it on them, bc the stunned b1 actually recovers from stun and bursts right when nuke is happening, need to see if noise heal proc is in time when that happens

[graceful goblet]

What is this meaning ?

[kind palm]

you mean minimum cs for the soda team?

[graceful goblet]

There’s no button to form any team

[coarse lake]

yes

my 10% cs p5 jackal being the last rocket to land

the problem here is that if you go even more cs, it gives their b1 more time to recover and burst

so I wanna know if what I got rn is optimal

jackal stunned in time to block burst

jackal not stunned

[queen mango]

Noahless since the release of the game

[raven plover]

its confusing yea since they dont say it upfront. this mean youre not qualified to join champion arena battle. however, you can "cheer" for players later, getting some rewards

[coarse lake]

you can see the chain effects still happen, but happens much later, right when I'm nuking, so jackal had to recover from the stun

[queen mango]

I do have her

[coarse lake]

you also don't hear biscuit howl, bc she never got to burst

[graceful goblet]

How to qualify for it tho?

Since this is a new thing

[coarse lake]

if anyone has a vid of bursting jackal vs bursting noise, both teams at 2rl, I need it, rest of teams don't matter

[queen mango]

10

[raven plover]

• you have to get top 4 sp arena reward last season (top 4 rank)
• you have to be lv 200 minimum
• you have 25 nikke minimum

[graceful goblet]

Ohhhh my bracket was too
Competitive 😂

[umbral crown]

that you need to wait the people who is in champ form their teams so you can bet who might win

[junior mesa]

General special arena teams?

[thorn pagoda]

i'll probably let the guy who's mad at core dust whales take my place in special arena; champion arena is too dramatic

need to see how it goes

[coarse lake]

hmm, actually no, excess cs prob still fine, since my nuke will also be faster?

[umbral crown]

Everyone is lock 400, that does not matter