pvp-arena

[unique wagon]

Yeah no more liberation

[swift mango]

Yeah 5mg should be around 12rl unless you use Rossanna sacc.

[unique mountain]

I beat crystal armor

[unique wagon]

Crown Biscuit Cindy DKW Naga

Now Naga gets sniped.
How much RL is that even

[unique mountain]

Wrong chat

[spiral onyx]

One could say, by no longer introducing new units through that system, we've been... liberated

[unique wagon]

Bluds gonna burst at 9 RL

[whole pawn]

@tropic summit at this point, what's left to do? I can't even stay on chal for 8 h or 4, maybe 2.4k gems is beyond possible

[spiral onyx]

There's only one thing you can do

[covert lintel]

but weirdly they sold guilty skin before

[spiral onyx]

Pretty sure the artists don't play the game as much as you think they do lol

[whole pawn]

https://tenor.com/view/despicable-me-gru-money-in-terms-of-money-we-have-no-money-gif-17689419

[unique wagon]

Hey @swift mango u forgot Milk and Helm are attacker Water which means she does more damage to ur DWife

[swift mango]

This is 6rl team. Maybe Naga would die after 4rl to HelmT burst but DKW would also start to pierce cover at 5rl. Plus some CS on Biscuit it would still be 6rl team.

[swift mango]

How do you deal DMG if your team got blocked off by Crown?

[unique wagon]

That looks like 8 RL to me

[swift mango]

60% at 4rl mean 100% at 6rl.

[unique wagon]

Math not mathing

Haha u forgot that ur units also reload after 6 RL

Which makes it 9 RL gg

[swift mango]

Okay my bad 7rl but CS would reduce it to 6rl.

[unique wagon]

[unique wagon]

That if Naga doesnt die

[swift mango]

But Ammo OL line exist.

[unique wagon]

And if u dont reload at 6 RL

I want 2 CA contenders to run 5 meme teams against 5 other meme teams

[swift mango]

If Naga die against 2.5rl team b3 it would be at 4rl.

Back to 7rl team maybe.

[unique wagon]

Ure alr using 17% CS here

How much u want 34%?

[swift mango]

17% CS doesn't matter at 2-3-4 RL. But could make 6rl team 5rl.

[unique wagon]

I see Rapipi

[swift mango]

Yenah's video?

[unique wagon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1356217375644454912/1357036820621164704/image0.gif

[swift mango]

Okay just hit the forward, I got it right.

Believe in Emi sacc

[fiery parcel]

Can help recommend SP arena defense teams?

[near plank]

holy screenshot

[fiery parcel]

Slightly older screenshot. I also pulled mAnchor and bready as well. But very underdeveloped

Let me get a new one up

[unique wagon]

Sakura Mary Ade Aria and Epinel team 3.

[fiery parcel]

Latest.

Current defense teams

[unique mountain]

Sea playors 🤝

[unique wagon]

Tired sry bro

[tropic summit]

-you're overcommited on T1 (helm can be used elsewhere)
-T2 is okish
-T3 unprotected blanc and without ress blanc in P1 on a slow team? very bad
-T3 anis p2 dead to splash within 2-3RL

[tropic summit]

for the most part it's an investiment issue, add to the fact you lack noah, dia1 is reasonable

[verbal oasis]

Need a comp to beat this help me guys

[whole pawn]

IG that makes sense, although Idk about investment, I think I only lack maxed dolls on pvp unita

[onyx scaffold]

what does helm do there

[swift mango]

When two guy in Rookie only hitting each other.

[pale knoll]

@tropic summit I may actually end up being top4 in my bigger acc

[tropic summit]

your tetris game / juggling game must be strong

[whole pawn]

I probably can't stay on dia 1 either, I always find myself on dia 3 or 2

it's worse than u think , man whales are a pain

[tropic summit]

it's not, dia1 is mostly f2p

in fact probably also lack pvp knowledge

[swift mango]

Really didn't really want to hitting the whale in Rookie tbh, but he keeps on hitting me first.

No new team to test these days anyway.

[whole pawn]

so my def sucks now?

[tropic summit]

just outstall them, run the same as above

[whole pawn]

it doesn't explain why they take my dia 1 too

[tropic summit]

assuming opponents know what they doing, you're 1 team extra weak to nuke because you lack noah

[whole pawn]

do I need to change my def teams too?

maybe I should build noise asap

although not sure if she s gonna be helpful without noah

[tropic summit]

you can run budget noah with noise + bay or moran + bay

it's still copium tho, because with trina addition that won't survive either

although if your objective updates to just hold dia1, it will work

[swift mango]

My 2rl scar Trina is 680+k almost reaching my strongest campaign team 690+k. My crown CP suck.

[whole pawn]

so...do I stay at my dia 3?

[tropic summit]

just post your box

[whole pawn]

well I can't hold dia 1 with my current invest so IG I have too

[whole pawn]

are u gonna be here in an hour and half?

or in 2 h?

[tropic summit]

imagine the amount of meme teams

[whole pawn]

I m in class tho

[swift mango]

Stay in rank 11-12. No one will bother you.

[whole pawn]

[tropic summit]

wew gonna need to scratch emi from that team then, even distributed from p1 hurts that much

[swift mango]

You was rank 10, that's why they hit you.

[whole pawn]

I found myself rank 25 2 days ago

[swift mango]

Rank 30 can hit rank 10.

[tropic summit]

replace sugar with trina, lets you hit 3RL on that team

[whole pawn]

@tropic summit are u gonna be here in 2 h or less, I can't post my box rn

[whole pawn]

well, IG we 🧱

[tropic summit]

in 5 hours sure, shift ends by then

[stuck pike]

The higher up in Challenger you go, the less people are able to attack you. At rank 7, only other challengers can attack you. It goes by every 3 ranks.

[swift mango]

Just attack r11-12. And keep it.

[whole pawn]

no I mean... I can post my box after 2 h from now so are u gonna be there?

[tropic summit]

in 5 hours i'm here

just on lunch break atm

regardless just post ur box and ping me i'll look at it once i'm online

it's not gonna run away

[whole pawn]

[swift mango]

If you can't hold rank 7-10, then get to 11-15 and attack rank 8 everyday.

At least you won't drop to r16-30 that way.

[whole pawn]

is this a curse? I don't deserve to be a challenger?

the rng hates me

[swift mango]

You just hate to invest in arena units.

[whole pawn]

it takes long bro, unless u fund me

better to invest for pushing

[swift mango]

It take time for you but for others in your bracket as well. Just don't fall behind them.

[whole pawn]

although idk why everyone has Noah in my bracket

[swift mango]

[stuck pike]

Most arena units have overlap in campaign except Jackal and Biscuit.

[whole pawn]

my bracket is full of whales

it's not like I have crown to push faster, or noah to compete

as long as I don't have these 2 , I will always be behind

[swift mango]

I was C1-3 for 10 months without Noah+Jackal. And almosy a year without Noah.

[fiery parcel]

I'm just starting to learn about pvp. Investment is slow. Just 4OLed Jackal & Noah, and on final piece on biscuit. Hence why i need the help. I have been concentrating on campaign meta nikkes prior to this

[stuck pike]

Noah is necessary to push certain bosses at high CP deficit.

[whole pawn]

I saw someone pushing towers with noah

[swift mango]

Are you sure they are whale and you aren't bricked? A young bracket with more than 4 whale is basically impossible.

[quick lake]

it was me who was bricked all along

[stuck pike]

My current campaign CP defict using Noah at certain points.

[swift mango]

But if you use Noah your deficit would be even higher. Unless you max invested her skill for some reason.

[whole pawn]

that's true

[stuck pike]

She's a taunter with invulnerability and sometimes that's what you need. Mines only 6/6/6

Only Biscuit and Jackal in my experience are pretty useless.

[swift mango]

But more deficit because low CP.

[fiery parcel]

All of the pvp are 4/4/4 (noah, biscuit, jackal, moran, trina, rumani) some are lower like centi (4/1/1), and some are higher (OG scarlet (9/7/8). However helm is p3 treasure with max OL and all the others in line 1 except tia is at optimal OL gear and skills

[tropic summit]

he's mosty PvE, obviously PvP experience is gonna get nuked

[stuck pike]

If you didn't overload anything, but at that point, you didn't invest for arena either.

[quick lake]

newer players no resource for pvp units either

[stuck pike]

I'm Challenger 7 with Leviathans in slots 1-5, sometimes stealing 6.

[swift mango]

Unless you are lucky and get 3 lines on her in first roll, you would need tons of rock to fix.

Skill level also contribute lots of CP.

[stuck pike]

You don't need to worry about the actual overload stats that much.

Were talking CP padding on a tank in the first place.

[swift mango]

I guess you don't max roll your CP either and have low CP team for campaign units.

[stuck pike]

Noah is also the only worthwhile 200 mileage Nikke to get overloads on anyways besides Smol White

[stuck pike]

CP padding for tanks through basic investment, actual overload optimization on DPS. Is that not clear?

[whole pawn]

yeah my pvp experience is in shambles

[swift mango]

Oi @pale knoll do you use Noah for your 42% deficit clear?

[swift mango]

Basic investment won't get you much CP either. I wasted 100 rock on my Crown and couldn't even pad her to total 25 tier for each piece.

Need tons of luck or tons of rocks.

[stuck pike]

Depends on your teams. Blanc, Noah, and Trina can get you 3 worthy teams as long as your DPS and other burst gen is good enough.

[swift mango]

And like I said, skill lv give lots of CP. The last stretch from 6 to 10 for 3 skill is also like 15% of your total CP.

[lunar pawn]

Yea they died pretty quick

[stuck pike]

It kind of does unless you're trying to compete with Leviathans. You sound like that with triple digit rocks used on a single buff tank. Crown is the best B2 in 90% of PvE, but optimizing her stats isn't going to net you that much extra damage or survivability after a certain point.

[swift mango]

Just CP padding man.

[pale knoll]

For what

[swift mango]

Someone claimed Noah is needed for high deficit campaign.

[stuck pike]

Against certain bosses. You're not using it for regular campaign. Mother Whale which people struggle with is an example.

[whole pawn]

I don't have Noah, and my trina isn't built

[vapid lake]

? https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1294914642820333619/1356632243937869834/How2CrownVsWhale.mp4?ex=67f0917b&is=67ef3ffb&hm=2b034d1475d672cd76dde06006511aaa2ae80a2721e183b3ebfda0f86a9a1487&

[swift mango]

People clear it super low deficit without Noah... Unless you mean Pilgrim tower. But just Burst MW down with RH at 10% deficit then.

[vapid lake]

Who said need noah for whale?

[swift mango]

Oh wait, if you invest in Mordenia you would be fine.

[vapid lake]

We have crown now

In pve noah really only used for 1 thing now, rebuild cucumber

[swift mango]

Crown+Modernia are like 90% of the tool to clear Whale.

[pale knoll]

Where at

[stuck pike]

It was an example. You can get away with just Crown using a 20 stack attract for somethings. Noah can just do it more often.

[pale knoll]

Not useful enough, best defense is a good offense

[stuck pike]

Wish that was me. I'm 30%. But then again, I didn't drop 100 rocks on crown either for a 10% net change.

Just slapped 4 rocks to overload 4 pieces on Noah and that was good enough.

[swift mango]

I clear thing at low deficit on phone because I invest in CP padding .

And level

[stuck pike]

Agreed in most cases. Noah just helps in some situations.

[swift mango]

1 year 1 month 373 synch. Near 700k CP.

Why bother at little high deficit if you can just CP pad, and can't clear at 42% deficit like @pale knoll

[pale knoll]

You are not even pushing high deficits, noah can be used in very niche sitatuation but not even needed

Just leave noah for pvp only

[stuck pike]

Crown can be used with Noah or Blanc or Naga. You're not running Noah by itself in the first place in any PvE team.

[pale knoll]

Opportunity cost not worth it

[stuck pike]

The whole point before Blood tried to go low with the pass aggro was Noah can be used in both PvE and PvP making entry level investment worthwhile, but I'm just a peasant still climbing high CP deficits in both Campaign and Arena consistently I guess.

[raven plover]

playing since day 1 I only use noah for pve twice, it was when they release mother whale normal chapter and 1 boss on tower like years ago, thats with 444 noah no OL

[swift mango]

Brother in Christ. Even I'm cleaning at your deficit range and I'm just a CP pad phone player. You are no high deficit player.

[stuck pike]

Is that current?

[swift mango]

Ofc

[stuck pike]

????

[pale knoll]

[pale knoll]

28% ish is low deficit

[swift mango]

Math dude ,math.

740/1030 ~ 690/970 Around 0.72.

[stuck pike]

It's higher CP for me, lower CP gap after every 20 level CP jump.

Which was only recent. I was >30% earlier.

[pale knoll]

Still low

[stuck pike]

You're behind me. I don't get what you're even on? I gave advise for you that Noah can be used sometimes outside arena. Bruh lmao.

[swift mango]

We are talking about deficit. And when are both around 28%.

When did you start and what is your synch level if you wanted to flex?

[stuck pike]

Yes for the low cost of 4 rocks for four pieces of equipment.

That's crazy

[swift mango]

I said, Noah would make you deficit even more than you already did if you replace someone like HelmT with her.

[stuck pike]

That's most of your CP padding on Noah right there.

A single doll even without any materials thrown in

And even 4/4/4

[swift mango]

I CP pad Noah, but not so much because my luck is shit.

My Noah is 105k
My HelmT is 147k.

Losing 42k for that isn't even funny.

[stuck pike]

Helm and Red Hood are meta in both PvE and PvP so they're no brainers. Trina + Scarlet can be too. More than 100% AD buff on Scarlet after Trina burst every time, not counting the PvE specific damage buffs. They're worth more investment than Noah, but putting minimal effort in Noah can go along way in annoying PvE content, not just PvP.

That was the only point frankly.

[stuck pike]

I don't know what you've been spending all those sets of 200 silver mileage on, but Noah is easily the best besides Smol White tbf.

40 rel rank at 3 MLB on top of everything mentioned. You get 10 advises per day.

You can easily chat up Noah and max that out

That's without taking away resources from your better invested units.

[swift mango]

I only got Noah like 1 month ago. So before that It's obviously not on her. 1 for wall break. 1 for treasure and 2 for Noise.

Yeah, I used Noise for Boss a few time but that's because I played on phone and didn't even invested in Naga before HelmT a thing, and I'm not claim Noise is needed for anything.

[stuck pike]

Alright, which is completely fine and Noise is another that can do similar things to Noah, just not to the same extent of taunting/durability. Great for Cinderella/XMaiden though.

[unique wagon]

None. Its best saved for Treasures.

[stuck pike]

Depends on how long you played. I almost MLB those units long before their treasures.

[unique wagon]

As if Treasures would stop coming.

[stuck pike]

That's also why you make your wishlist include units you didn't MLB

[unique wagon]

That is true but still not worth getting Noah with silvers.

[stuck pike]

To each their own ig. It's a pilgrim. Smol White would've already been MLB if you did the event fully. There's no else in the same level of priority.

[unique wagon]

Yes there is. Helm, Drake. Laplace too in the past.

[stuck pike]

Same for OG Rapunzel if you were gonna mention her

[stuck pike]

Depends again on how long you played. They were maxed out between HQ molds, social/wishlist pulls, and regular gold pulls for me.

You just need MLB, but if you wanted to go beyond that on Helm, that might be worth it once she's phase 3

[unique wagon]

Sounds like a whale.

[stuck pike]

No ironically. Just an active long time player.

You get so many pulls from events and gems from special arena over time.

Also make sure you're getting your daily 3 free pulls from socials. Occasional luck there strikes.

All of the treasured units are day 1 Nikke which even I'm not day 1, but the point is you can get them from so many other sources.

[whole pawn]

@tropic summit

[stuck pike]

Do you have Noise?

If you do, I'd suggest her in your Cinderella team instead of SBS.

Third team must be CP only because the burst gen/feed is pretty alarming. If you can swap a few things without dropping CP too much, I would.

[whole pawn]

yeah, although i didnt bother building her cuz i lack noah

[whole pawn]

like?

[stuck pike]

I don't know your roster.

[whole pawn]

i will send it

also, if i had to use noise, i might drop my cp

[warm monolith]

Help plz i lost first but won third

[stuck pike]

How much CP.

First team bursted way before yours on top of a ~28% CP gap. Rosanna plus Trina buffed up Scarlet will slaugher your supports and Cinderella I'm guessing then later the Noah and Rumani died after Biscuit's invulnerability wore off.

[warm monolith]

Yes so what should i do for my team,i dont have trina or rh

[stuck pike]

To be honest, the easiest counter to Scarlet/Jackal teams if you have a Treasured Helm is a Treasured Helm. Cinderella adds very little to your burst gen and feeds his Scarlet/Jackal's burst gen.

If you want to stick with Cinderella though, I'd swap out Rapunzel for Centi on your third team to improve your burst gen enough to get Noah's burst off in time.

[warm monolith]

I have T helm and it was 10/7/10 if im not mistaken and i fear if i swap someone from T3 i may lose

[stuck pike]

Take the Centi then. That's why I suggested an alternative. I understand that Helm adds a hefty AD buff plus burst gen for your indom SBS with damage debuff on the enemy.

If you get your Noah's burst off before his Scarlet's burst, you probably win in team 1.

[warm monolith]

So ill i need to do is swap rap on T1 with centi on T3?

[stuck pike]

Mhm

[meager linden]

Im fkg hate sp arena lol. Coz i dunno why am i keep loosing to guys 35 lvl belov me

[stuck pike]

Sync levels aren't everything.

[warm monolith]

What cube for noah?@stuck pike

[meager linden]

I already took the teams that were recommended to me here

and i still loose lol

[stuck pike]

Either Adjutant, Quantum, or Vigor.

I use Quantum on mine.

[meager linden]

I cand get it. Quantum 8lvl, resilence 11 lvl, bastion 11 lvl. skills 10-10-10- almost all nikkes. Have a good stats on OL gear, and im keep loosing

[stuck pike]

Depends how many slots you have. Quantum is only mandatory on Jackal.

But most clip RL should use it in Arena usually. Trina is better with Vigor though.

[warm monolith]

@stuck pike rosanna one hit rumani on first team

Also i lost T3 too

[meager linden]

whats wrong with this teams?

Im loosing to guy 455lvl

[stuck pike]

Your Rumani got targeted over Cinderella by Rosanna? Your ATK stat must be quite low compared to Cinderella which is amazing if you have so many ATK overloads on Rumani to pull that off.

[warm monolith]

Its 101k for cindy and 53k on rumani

Idk i close the game because i dont have any more attemps and i looked in blabla it could be wrong tho

[stuck pike]

Rosanna targets the 2 highest ATK Nikke for her burst and buff shred.

[warm monolith]

Sometime blabla glitches or som

[stuck pike]

So it would target your Biscuit definitely then either the Centi or Cinderella in most cases.

Biscuit is fine to die once her invulnerability goes off on your defenders.

and Cinderella isn't dying to Rosanna burst

[warm monolith]

Is there all guide for pvp on youtube that explains all of the mechanics on pvp?

[stuck pike]

Yes. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/11KWYeyvef91A-vfFuqglJJ8-OhR90TcKFVpJ6Ny_5h4/edit?gid=1990278246#gid=1990278246

[warm monolith]

Ty

[stuck pike]

No need to scrounge Youtube. Use that. Mechanics are described in one of the tabs and you can calculate the burst gen of your teams.

I run 3 teams of screen wipes (3RL Emilia + Blanc/2RL Cinderella + Noah/2RL Scarlet + Trina) personally on my Defense.

[warm monolith]

Can scarlet/jackal wipe cant counter against noah/sbs burst?

[stuck pike]

SBS can be used, but only on ATK honestly. Its hard countered by Sakura

If I see a SBS on DEF, it's a free win for me most of the time.

[placid bloom]

if you are same speed, Scarlet loses against immune unless you are also running immune

or most teams rather, not just Scarlet

[stuck pike]

First team is eaten alive by Scarlet teams. Second team and third teams are fine, but I'd swap Rumani and Centi. Rumani will give you an actual B1 instead of Jackal's useless B1, and Centi won't taunt away from Blanc during full burst as a suggestion.

[pale osprey]

Hello. How can I improve my defense team in Special Arena? I have enough mats to level up characters I can replace

[stuck pike]

Noah hard counters most comps. Only Emilia which many people lack or a proper stall comp can beat it. That's the beauty of my double threat setup (2RL Cindy & 2RL Scarlet) though, you can't use Noah more than once to attack me.

[stuck pike]

All of your teams have poor burst gen and high feed. Avoid MG units altogether in arena unless it's Rosanna. The only SMG units that you might get away with in Arena are Ludmilla and Nero which I still don't recommend either unless you have no better options.

[strange linden]

having Rosanna at 4/7/7 for now, do I need more atk or is this good?

[stuck pike]

It's good, but depends on the CP gap as to whether Rosanna can kill anything on burst.

Highest you can go is 58.52% for reference

[pale knoll]

40%+ attack ideally

[stuck pike]

11.11% per equipment is the best you can get without going for low % odds of overloading.

Which is 44.44%

Elemental damage can be used if they run Helm or Emilia as well.

[lunar dirge]

Not like it actually works nowadays

[pale knoll]

Sr15 50% attack 101010 good enough?

[lunar dirge]

only with the sac

[pale knoll]

Add c7 enough?

[lunar dirge]

unless others are are c7 too

[pale knoll]

Mine gonna stay unbuilt then

Haven't really needed her. If CA rewards are good, maybe I will

[abstract lintel]

Alright lads. I got just about every nikke. Whats the top 3 attack teams and top 3 defense teams right now?

[stuck pike]

Tbh, Rosanna is too finicky even in Special Arena to build with a near full roster. Low burst gen, very high investment, and Treasure Helm is already a better Jackal counter.

[stuck pike]

Emilia/Cinderella/Scarlet on defense for your B3 DPS. You can swap Emilia out for either S.Anis or Ein > Maid Privaty > 2B > Bunny Soda > Harran if you wanna keep 3 screen wipes. Worst case, Phase 3 Helm > XMaiden > Red Hood > Alice > Phase 3 Drake > SBS probably as a rough rundown.

The last part is hard countered by Biscuit very very easily and Sakura in particular for SBS.

You only need to win on 2 teams for attacking. You adjust to counter their team.

[abstract lintel]

Thank you sir.

[misty jackal]

without emilia, S.Anis, and 2B that is the best team?

[stuck pike]

For defense, the ones I listed will give you the least counters. The replacements were:

Ein has meh burst gen, low bullet feed, good AOE, and great single DPS.
Maid Privaty has ok burst gen, max bullet feed, great AOE, and ok single DPS.
2B has ok burst gen, high bullet feed, ok AOE with a good single nuke, and great single DPS. She's hard countered by Rosanna.
Bunny Soda has great burst gen, max bullet feed, good AOE, and great single DPS.
Harran has good burst gen, low bullet feed, good AOE, and meh single DPS.

The remainder after that were last ditch choices which have top tier single DPS and/or single nukes, but that's countered easily by attacking Biscuit + defender and/or Blanc indom teams.

[viral spoke]

i need improvement with my DEF team now

starting to lose with a lower level sync user that possibly whaled on grind material

treasured characters so far are Laplace, Diesel and Helm

[stuck pike]

Your first and second teams have bad burst gen, especially the second team. Scarlet should pair up with Jackal. Is your Emilia invested much?

[viral spoke]

and i totally forget who else i lacked except XAnne, XMica and Power

[viral spoke]

skill are just done 7-10-7, as for OL gears stats still working on it

[stuck pike]

You can use Emilia as either a burst battery or one shot paired with some kind of stall comp.

[viral spoke]

right, Scarlet paired with jackal, what should i do with 1st and 2nd now?

[stuck pike]

Drake obviously has max bullet feed as a shotgun, but her burst gen is definitely great. Same goes for Laplace without the bullet feed issue.

[viral spoke]

Drake need to be treasured or can just be as it is?

[stuck pike]

You need to up your burst gen unless you plan to rely solely on CP gaps.

[stuck pike]

Treasured is preferable, but not necessary.

[viral spoke]

it WAS that way until i found out i lost to a lower level sync

maintaining position in Diamond 3 requires me to up my DEF team game

had i lost to a higher sync level, i won't be surprised at all

aiming for Diamond 2 literally needs my sync level to be at least 400 or more

since the people there are at least over 450

[stuck pike]

I'm consistently Challenger 7-10 for the 2400 gems. Used to be Challenger 2-3, but 4 extra Leviathans entered my server after the shuffle. Can't hold 6 due to a competitive whale. I beat people well above my CP all the time from using better team comps.

In any case, your first team is countered by Biscuit or Blanc, as I discussed above about single target DPS. Your second team never bursts in time. Your third team is decent, although technically countered by a buffed up indomitable Scarlet team or a strong enough Emilia nuke team.

Avoid machine gun characters period. Only Rosanna is semi justifiable to use. Keep Noise with Cinderella. She is the best burst 1 for Cinderella. Keep Jackal with Scarlet, they are the best counter to bullet feeding. So drop Naga on top of Crown.

Emilia, Drake, Laplace w/ T, and Noir from what I see are good burst gen batteries. Shotgun characters are still countered hard by Jackal/Scarlet, but they can only use that against one of your 3 teams.

Diesel will never get used unless it's maybe champion arena.

She's much like Emma, just a cheese but just as easily cheesed counter to bullet feeding.

Which has not been meta for a long time.

[unique wagon]

This guy is a better yapper than me.

[stuck pike]

I'd recommend using Blanc in one of your teams. Scarlet is one option because of her counterattacks and natural lower current HP, but Emilia is the other.

[unique wagon]

Gg Ive lost my throne.

[viral spoke]

now with these in line, hopefully i don't have to wake up and find out the same person try again

[stuck pike]

If you have Trina, you can go that route instead. Trina is the highest buffing character in the game for Scarlet without a question at this point.

[viral spoke]

i do have Trina but as every F2P player has the most common problem...

Lack of materials

[stuck pike]

Depends how long you played.

[viral spoke]

since OverZone, but still. all materials were sucked out by Emilia

[viral spoke]

i just mentioned this

just done, keyword. lmao

[stuck pike]

Same boat then, but I also pushed campaign as much as possible while using every other avenue of getting resources available.

[viral spoke]

damn FBD and Overclock level 25 WERE STILL NOT ENOUGH for everyone

[stuck pike]

This was a massive boost in skills recently. I fully took advantage of that.

[coarse lake]

Anyone have vids of mana team vs a team that kills several of mana team nikkes with raw ST dmg, p1 then p2 etc

[stuck pike]

I don't record, but Mana teams fold over easily tbh. A revived Nikke has 0 buffs when they revive and most good teams simply instagib the whole team plus she uses an AR. Might be a decent choice for newbies that pulled her early on though.

[tropic summit]

the whole point is in a team that guns them down without bursting, you essentially have 1 nikke with double life, if you've a 4RL and no biscuit, that may lead you to still reach 4RL with 5 alive nikke if p1 gets killed just once

quite valuable in CA where batteries will run out possibly

much less in SP arena where we can almost 2RL 3 teams now

[stuck pike]

Fair enough. I'm not in CA, so I haven't explored yet what my other 2 teams would be. Likely 1 shotgun team with Phase 2 Drake though.

[tropic summit]

the throne:

[tropic summit]

you're 21% deficit on T1

raise CP on noah, rumani, biscuit asap

[umbral belfry]

Rail

[stuck pike]

Keep it, I'm only lurking today.

[umbral belfry]

When you have the time, would you mind taking a look at my last 2 ca teams? I'm at a loss

for CA*

i just woke up

[tropic summit]

that's great, box doko though?

[tropic summit]

do share

let's see what your cooking utensils have produced

[umbral belfry]

not having more burst gen built makes me

[tropic summit]

nvm found it

[shell hazel]

@tropic summit @umbral belfry

[tropic summit]

the price to pay for being a newer account

[shell hazel]

work is done for the week

[umbral belfry]

the 1st team is just for cp + mana, but my noir isn't built + i assume she would do no dmg, so i'm not sure who i'd take out?

2nd team i'd want to put bay somewhere, but my reit isn't built. naga has the most cp by a lot, but i wanted her there to boost it a bit too. so that's why i'm

[tropic summit]

paid leave for 1 week now

[umbral belfry]

[shell hazel]

! cheater 🙂

[umbral belfry]

rn my main 3 teams are what i'm using for SP (not counting the newer one i cooked )

[tropic summit]

was your helm ready?

might wanna spread out a bit with your other 3 teams

[umbral belfry]

She's helmt phase 3 with skill 1 maxed

[tropic summit]

more than ready then

[umbral belfry]

yeah i was thinking of spreading too mostly rrh at least

[coarse lake]

Anyone have mana pvp vid where she revived someone

[umbral belfry]

but i'm also like, if the other 3 in my league can't beat me, is there really a point in switching right now? i can see the point if i qualify (and if i can change by then)

[stuck pike]

Helm Phase 3 is top tier for attacking as the B3. She's the easiest Jackal counter to date.

[tropic summit]

well if you get 3 wins and 2 losses on def it's probably already a good result

[umbral belfry]

yeah i'm aware, but I also want a 2RL Cindy team, and w/o her I don't have much choices

[tropic summit]

keep in mind CP won't be helping you anymore though

[umbral belfry]

also my helmt burst is lv4

[coarse solstice]

What's a good helm team with her at b3

[umbral belfry]

I already know my moran team is gonna have booboo cp bc they're all

[tropic summit]

jackal killer team

[stuck pike]

Only for attacking. Never defending. Anyways, you want minimize bullet feed and maximize burst gen w/ good buffs. Red Hood is a no brainer to that end.

[tropic summit]

or any enemy team that you want their highest atk% dead

[umbral belfry]

just dunno where to put bay there, if anywhere

[stuck pike]

The rest, it depends on how you want to structure your teams. In SP arena, you only need 2 wins.

[tropic summit]

need your full box hime, those 2 teams have barely anything to go on as is

[umbral belfry]

if only we knew we could update teams after the top 4, that'd make things so much easier

[tropic summit]

ultra copium to say the least

[umbral belfry]

you're right gimme 1 sec

[tropic summit]

mhm

[coarse solstice]

Anyone willing to help me cook for CA?

[shell hazel]

we don't even know what format the teams will take yet, or how it works

I'd say not many would be willing to cook for a format that we can't see in game yet 😄

[umbral belfry]

Don't we? It's 5 teams vs 5 teams?

[stuck pike]

If it's best B03, you can formulate based off that somewhat.

[tropic summit]

jesus this is all you've

[umbral belfry]

imagine we can pick a single unit that can't be used noah

[tropic summit]

post ur box

[shell hazel]

that is the talked about figure yes, but any restrictions on adding units or how the teams work is as yet unknown

[umbral belfry]

sorry rail i had to get on my pc for the box, 1 sec

[tropic summit]

you're barely excused young lady

[stuck pike]

I wish I had Makima. That's something to really cook with for CA

[tropic summit]

@whole pawn please tell me you're hiding a treasure helmed somewhere at least

[whole pawn]

u are missing bay

[tropic summit]

or a trina even

[umbral belfry]

[whole pawn]

I do, not sure why the screenshot doesn't have ethem

[tropic summit]

THEY'RE OUT OF SYNCHRO

[shell hazel]

gimme Rumani!

[whole pawn]

well they aren't invested

[tropic summit]

you're sturggling with CP already as is and you want to use them out of synchro?

[umbral belfry]

never this is for all the times you jinxed my AI runs

[whole pawn]

her doll is lvl 11

[shell hazel]

I'll keep doing it if you don't give me Rumani! 😦

[tropic summit]

it's been over a month how is she not treasured yet

[stuck pike]

Synchro is the best investment of gems in this game

[tropic summit]

this box of yours is just frustrating the more i look at it

[stuck pike]

Even as a F2P

[umbral belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/roman-reigns-mad-seething-fuming-angry-gif-22863520

rail looking at their box

[tropic summit]

so true

it's just utter pain

[shell hazel]

is Railtracer from that train anime?

[tropic summit]

having to build a scarlet team with grave and liter

[shell hazel]

the gangster one

[tropic summit]

yes good sir

[shell hazel]

I'll give you anything you want, please don't kill me

[tropic summit]

i don't need immortality because they can't even touch me

[whole pawn]

I need to go home to screenshot the units I didn't mention

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-this-is-a-cry-for-help-help-help-me-lord-help-me-gif-1631346409026690561

[whole pawn]

because I was working on Cindy doll, duh

[tropic summit]

it's ok they're all out of synchro you're screwed unless you hiding a ton of resources

[whole pawn]

I got helm just 2 weeks ago bro, and I was working on Cindy dolls, why everyone think I insta treasured helm the day she had

think guys think

[tropic summit]

bro is so screwed

[whole pawn]

well ofc,if she s out of synchro, she isn't invested, well unless I build them

[shell hazel]

gonna have to turn that 80% bricked into 84% bricked

[tropic summit]

he's 99% bricked

[whole pawn]

I can just ol them and give them dolls

[tropic summit]

at least for pvp, can become a pve warrior perhaps

[whole pawn]

just give me some def teams and I will work on the units I haven't built

[umbral belfry]

I believe in u

[whole pawn]

PvE bricked too

[umbral belfry]

You gotta put max 4 pics

[whole pawn]

the question is give me teams, I don't ask u for sympathy or whatever

[tropic summit]

i wish i could give you teams but they'd all suck

[whole pawn]

idc if they aren't invested or not, just give the list bro

[whole pawn]

they will be suck until they are built, so give me the names

[tropic summit]

here you go

#pvp-arena message

[tropic summit]

taking a look now hime, hopefully i can heal my eyes with yours

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/got-game-of-thrones-name-gif-21743356

quick Hime, hide Scarlet

[whole pawn]

I don't have some of these units, can't u give me teams from what I have ?

[umbral belfry]

it's too late i fear

[tropic summit]

no i feel sick looking at it, because you've ignored weeks if not months of suggestions

this box has not improved at all

[whole pawn]

well that's what u gave me, it's not my fault that my box sucks

[umbral belfry]

dude 😭

[shell hazel]

infinity % bricked

[whole pawn]

ik I have other pvp units not used that's why I ask for an update using them

[tropic summit]

@whole pawn start by:

-getting scarlet to 10/4/10, SR5-15
-helm treasured, STAT
-centi, rumani, jackal, biscuit,blanc 4/4/4 R15 or SR5, all 4 OL gear

and for the love of god stop wasting rocks on BS

[umbral belfry]

@coarse solstice the max is 4 pics

[whole pawn]

bro I already have these units OL do u have dementia?

[umbral belfry]

???

He doesn't have to help you at all, why are you being rude?

[tropic summit]

very well, show stats and OL of each of those nikke

[whole pawn]

tell me if other pvp units have to be ol

[whole pawn]

I will get home and screenshot, also does ol stats matter on pvp supports?

[tropic summit]

if you're asking this question it's already over

[whole pawn]

you don't have to share ur opinion at all, I was kidding with him, u don't have to take it seriously

[tropic summit]

we've been over this for weeks

[umbral belfry]

rail you're stronger than me

[tropic summit]

no i've only pity for this poor lad

[whole pawn]

well because u asked me to show ol stats

[tropic summit]

he's been screwed by RNG and poor choices

sadly when he started asking help it was already too late

either way hime

these are gonna be your core for CA

now to get them to fit in 5 teams that could do well on their own

obviously 1 team is gonna have to be copium, but 4 teams could be possible

[umbral belfry]

I guess I coud use my two 2RL Cindy + Scarlet team at the loss of cp (but more cp for the other 2 teams?). I was hoping to hide those for later wheneverI lost in SP def but

[whole pawn]

is there any other units that can be oled and used ? other than those?, or at least to lvl up their gear to 5?

[tropic summit]

nah cindy is gonna have to downgrade to 3RL

[umbral belfry]

you hate to see it

[tropic summit]

xmaiden and reit burst skill lvls?

[umbral belfry]

[tropic summit]

it's ok, i can take it

[umbral belfry]

xmaid was my first 5 star bare with me and uhhh reit I do have skill books I can use for reit, I'm leveling up scarlet's and helmt's s2 rn

[tropic summit]

my hope and dreams

[umbral belfry]

[tropic summit]

it's fine tho, copium it is

[umbral belfry]

reit you will be invested into one day

unless she'd be doable at 4/4 then she isn't at any OL tho, just 4/4 t9m

[tropic summit]

managed to get 3 teams done without using cent and helmt so far

there's still hope

[umbral belfry]

[stuck pike]

Needs minimum OL. More important than skill boosts for her tbh.

[umbral belfry]

sorry reit, another day then

too focused on OLing others first

[stuck pike]

Same honestly

[umbral belfry]

soon

[tropic summit]

priority wise it's normal you didn't touch reit dw hime

[umbral belfry]

[tropic summit]

probably last question, quantum lvl?

[umbral belfry]

4, i'm focused on getting bastion to 7 rn. just need 1 more level

[tropic summit]

mhm oke

[whole pawn]

https://tenor.com/view/jujutsu-kaisen-sukuna-gif-14083490238819080082

[keen vapor]

Good job

[stuck pike]

Quantum on your clip RL except Trina who if you have her (prefers HP > extra burst gen)

[keen vapor]

No

[umbral belfry]

My jackal + rumani has quantum but my xmaid does too bc w/o quantum my cindy team wouldn't be 2 RL

[stuck pike]

Anis might actually get used in CA after thinking on it.

[umbral belfry]

[keen vapor]

Rapu-sama

[stuck pike]

She's outclassed in SP though entirely.

[umbral belfry]

Gonna hafta buid my anis one day I fear im' lacking burst gen and i building a clipsg

[pale knoll]

More like will

[umbral belfry]

or i guess i could wait until lap+ but bleh

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/floppa-big-cat-long-cat-gif-17528503

we get to use it again

at least I don't think SR Anis needs heavy investment

[umbral belfry]

i pray not

[stuck pike]

Maybe. I was gonna respec her skills (which are artifacts from when I first started) after I got more respecs again, but maybe I won't. Some people overload her, but I don't know if I could stomach overloading a SR personally.

[umbral belfry]

OLing Anis only to find out that a SSR good burst gen comes out right after

In any case, even if I did that, it wouldn't be for a long long time

god i want emilia so bad

[shell hazel]

she's probably fine with 4/4/4 and some OL gear mostly

but I can't build mine yet anyway

[umbral belfry]

yeah i was thinking that simply for the cp boost since she's at a disadvantage already

[shell hazel]

burst gen though

[tropic summit]

@umbral belfry it is done, coming out of the oven

[umbral belfry]

dinner

[shell hazel]

write her name into one of them

[tropic summit]

quantum on trina, jackal, laplace
vigor on blanc, rapunzel, noise
temperance on bay, noah
any other nikke run highest lvl cube

[umbral belfry]

holy moly

lemme check something first, ty rail!

[tropic summit]

was conflicted on nerfing T4 for T5 but didn't seem worth it

[stuck pike]

An entry level OL Anis with 30 bond would be comparable to an entry level OL no dupe SSR with 0 bond, but still useless skills tbh.

[shell hazel]

we have a name 😄

[tribal sleet]

You as well

[tropic summit]

@umbral belfry added the cubes just in case

[tropic summit]

taking a look

[shell hazel]

speaking of I should add SR Anis to my bond rotation

my cope Noah (Bay) isn't built yet either 😦

[umbral belfry]

last team is 275k cp goin thru it but we move

[stuck pike]

Ugly last team tbh.

[umbral belfry]

good thing i have a few days left

[stuck pike]

No more SG characters?

[tropic summit]

hmm even for CA CP lock, CP on helm team might not cut it though 🤔

[umbral belfry]

not built :( heck even my noir and drake isn't built

[tropic summit]

might wanna nerf that one afterall on 3RL

[umbral belfry]

not having moran or bay built is truly my downfall

maybe i should just brute force my way and combine someof these teams

[tropic summit]

change them to this

[umbral belfry]

sp def hasn't failed me yet, surely it won't in ca

[umbral belfry]

okie dok 1 sec

[tropic summit]

demote to 3RL but fixes CP, promotes other to 3.5RL and tanks cp a bit

guess you gotta move anis to p4 and mana to p5 tho

else anis gonna get sniped, literally

[tropic summit]

well you could go 3 sure win and 2 possibly loss or try these out and see if you can push to 4 def wins

[umbral belfry]

big saj bc i really do want to build moran one day. but i will keep these in mind too

[stuck pike]

You'll be fine with 3 RL teams, but past that, you're basically not bursting reasonably tbf.

[tropic summit]

CP wise looks way better

[umbral belfry]

there's still time for me to think i will see what i can do. ty ty rail!

now for breakfast

[coarse solstice]

Helm will be stage 3 today or tomorrow depending on solo raid

[tropic summit]

what's her s1?

[coarse solstice]

10

[tropic summit]

gud

[keen vapor]

Noahing on coop

[tribal sleet]

oof

[stuck pike]

Makima is still the one I hope to get on the off chance of a rerun in the future. That would be the no brainer for a 5th defense team. Much better than the suggested Mana choice tbh. Blanc/Emilia + Noise/Cinderella + Trina/Scarlet + BunnySoda/T.Drake + theoretical Makima team.

[keen vapor]

[tropic summit]

xmaiden and reiT burst lvl?

[tropic summit]

cubes

quantum on jackal, trina, rumani
vigor on noise, biscuit, rapu, blanc
temperance on moran, bay, noah
any other nikke run highest lvl cube available

notes

if reiT gets invested, replace alice with her

[coarse solstice]

4, 1 uninvested

[tropic summit]

(updated with quantum cube i forgot on rumani)

[coarse solstice]

Youre a rockstar thanks!!!

[tropic summit]

@keen vapor we should come up with CA archetypes

safe to say should start splitting blanc from scarlet thanks to trina

possibly noah from biscuit

adding moran/bay as a given

then the meme 5th team

[stuck pike]

Bay and Biscuit are a surprising combo.

[keen vapor]

[stuck pike]

I don't use it because no need in Special Arena, but it works.

[violet prism]

Hello again, I recently got Helm treasured and pulled Scarlet

[tropic summit]

[violet prism]

Heard they were good in pvp so was looking to update my SPA teams

[tropic summit]

post your box with nikke ordered by strength, also your current 3 def teams for reference

4 pics at a time

[tropic summit]

throw anis in synchro, what's helm s1 lvl and has she reached stage 2?

[stuck pike]

You can see the phase already is 3.

[violet prism]

My def teams suck

[tropic summit]

can be improved indeed

confirm helm s1 skill and should've enough info

[violet prism]

Helm S1 is at 6 and her treasure is complete

[tropic summit]

alright gonna need that s1 to be lvl 7 minimun although you want lvl 10 to be optimal

[violet prism]

Just got her so investing is gonna take some time

should have enough mats in a couple of days for S1 lvl7

[tropic summit]

what about scarlet skill lvls?

[violet prism]

Just pulled her all lvl 1 s

[tropic summit]

[tropic summit]

what's SBS skill investiment and OL instead?

[violet prism]

Skills 7/4/7 and 2 ammo and 2 atk

[tropic summit]

hmm can be used then

[violet prism]

all 4 Ols lvl 0

[stuck pike]

Scarlet Rapunzel XMaiden Trina Jackal
Noise Centi Cinderella Anis Helm
Moran Blanc BunnySoda Noir Mana

Might relook to adjust later, but that's my gut recommendation at a glance.

[violet prism]

Also for CA i didnt see any info yet, do we know if we need to make 5 teams?

[tropic summit]

he just stated 1/1/1 scarlet

[violet prism]

i will start investing on her after helm S1 lvl 7

[stuck pike]

A single day of sim room can bump that up immediately.

[tropic summit]

you need to consider their current CP

[stuck pike]

Not high enough mind you

But at least to a serviceable point

Invest in Trina and Scarlet immediately. Focus their ATK and ATK dmg related skills.

Bump Scarlet burst itself too of course

That's something you can get to 7 in a week probably or less.

[violet prism]

These is their powers

[stuck pike]

SBS is terrible in defense if your server is competitive.

[keen vapor]

CA archetypes be like: random cooking that enemies from my bracket do

[violet prism]

I will slot anis when the cooldown is over

[stuck pike]

Anis is just for burst gen strictly.

Terrible unit otherwise.

[violet prism]

Could you recommend which cubes i should put on them?

my res and bastion are at 7 and quantum is at 3

[tropic summit]

sbs blanc liter xmaiden jackal
grave trina cind helmT noise
rrh naga alice mana rh (CP pad)

cubes

quantum on jackal, xmaiden
vigor on blanc, noise, mana
any other nikke run highest lvl cube

wishlist/build asap: rumani, biscuit, noah

get your teams reviewed once you find the above

pointless to run 3RL team if your CP is trash, will just get gapped

[violet prism]

Thank you Chef

[stuck pike]

Quantum on clip RL's and SG's. Vigor on HP based characters like Trina, Cinderella, Blanc, etc. Adjutant on charge based attackers. Bastion or Resilience on Scarlet to name a few.

[tropic summit]

do raise your scarlet although to 7/4/7 at least

[shell hazel]

Blanc and Jackal are both R-15 for doll, which one should I use my selector on?

[violet prism]

I still have those 3 wishlisted, hopefully someday I will pull them

[tropic summit]

jackal for dmg reduction imo

although blanc in p2 could love an SR doll

i'd still prioritize jackal just because of how more often you'll use her

[shell hazel]

yeah both eventual targets just got unluck with SR dolls

3 x SG dolls this solo raid

[stuck pike]

Throw em on your clip SG's

Noir and Drake are the most versatile choices in PvE and PvP

[shell hazel]

Noir is ok build drake is basically trash atm 😄

[stuck pike]

Treasure Drake is core to shotgun meta teams.

[shell hazel]

can't do it atm too much other stuff in front of it

[violet prism]

Would you say these are my core pvp units and I should start OL them?

[shell hazel]

there def are core pvp units

[stuck pike]

OL characters that apply to both PvE and PvP

Those are always the priority

[shell hazel]

centi, jackal, rumani, treasure helm etc

best value is dual use units though

as TisForTat says

[violet prism]

I also got Moran and Rosanna if that changes anything

[shell hazel]

like Cindy and RH etc excel in both

[stuck pike]

Centi can still work in PvE but barely. Jackal is PvP only. She's definitely the meta PvP unit to date but that's all you'll use her for.

Rumani is similar to Jackal.

[shell hazel]

moran and rosanna etc all need higher invest levels

they're more than just batteries

[stuck pike]

Moran actually kind of works in PvE. Not well, but kind of.

[tropic summit]

add to this table pvp core units you're missing like noah, biscuit and rumani

[shell hazel]

Soda is the real pvp unit

I guess liter due to her dmg buff as otherwise she feeds?

[stuck pike]

Bunny Soda is more a shotgun team. Either all in or skip. Drake is less all in. Still functions decently with even just Naga and Noir.

[tropic summit]

liter is useful for CP pad and spare B1

[violet prism]

Thanks again

[shell hazel]

normal Soda not Bunny Soda

[tropic summit]

works well with trina CA variation

[stuck pike]

oh then, yeah, definitely app uninstall worthy.

[tropic summit]

such as this one

[shell hazel]

going to get Crown to at least SR-10 but these R-0 pvp units want some doll love too

[shell hazel]

Normal Soda is overpowered and not enough understand her 😄

[shell hazel]

what enemy team?

[tropic summit]

the less ppl know of her the better

[shell hazel]

the forbidden Soda tech

[tropic summit]

55 lvl gap C4 cindy still 1hitko with that

ironically liter is linked over laplace here

[stuck pike]

That enemy team is a bullet feed frenzy much like a hotdog eating content.

[shell hazel]

#pvp-arena message

[keen vapor]

Pog

[tropic summit]

that's definitly a CA team i'm gonna run

saves me a blanc a centi and a RH

half tempted to remove jackal for rapu and ultra copium it

[umbral belfry]

cindy p2

[shell hazel]

please send me rumani and soda pulls thanks Rail 🙂

[tropic summit]

i almost have a new 1RL on 23% deficit, will have it on next CP boost

[tropic summit]

light a candle in church and pray harder

[shell hazel]

I don't go to church I only worship demons

https://tenor.com/view/horusultra-rias-gremori-anime-pose-gif-12207972

[tropic summit]

works too, make a contract

sell your soul for rumani and soda

[shell hazel]

first born child OK?

would be worth it

short term gain, all we need

[grand plaza]

I don't understand one thing about https://nikke-deck.web.app/

Thelm has more burst gen than Anis, but Q7 cube gives more bonus with Anis than Thelm.. why is that?

[keen vapor]

Helm doesn't has splash

[stuck pike]

If it is a fully invested Treasure Helm, nothing gives more burst gen than her except Jackal against 5 MG/SG.

[keen vapor]

So Helm = Adjutant

[grand plaza]

Hmmmmmmmmmm makes sense 👍

[stuck pike]

Q7 cube likely doesn't interact with her skill 1 though.

If it's accurate.

[grand plaza]

Adj 3 wouldn't help probably

[tropic summit]

enemy p1 cindy gives more burst gen

[stuck pike]

Touche

[tropic summit]

the real goat

[grand plaza]

Almost 1RL

[shell hazel]

Rail given we don't know the team conditions, what would you say my best 5 teams are?
investments run out by roughly Centi (Trina in progress) 🙂

[keen vapor]

Adjutant 3 gives same CS than 7 thanks to rounding

[grand plaza]

[tropic summit]

is this an indirect way to ask for a 5 teams CA cook

[keen vapor]

I'm serious

[shell hazel]

call it a direct way of asking (indirectly) 😄

[grand plaza]

I think I will just keep Resil7 for stat boost

[shell hazel]

[stuck pike]

I stand by what I said earlier. Just build around them. 5th team would just be Makima or some Mana cope.

[tropic summit]

noone listens to echo seriously anymore

[tropic summit]

i'm gonna throw some pasta and cook both dinner and those 5 teams

[keen vapor]

Or you could invest on your Adjutant

[shell hazel]

sounds like a plan 🙂

I can invest more untis to fill gaps but will take time

[grand plaza]

I couldn't even make Bastion 7 yet ;(

[shell hazel]

Trina wants at least one more OL, then I can probably move to next

[keen vapor]

Oh

[stuck pike]

Adjutant in general just makes more sense on Helm anyways though much like Laplace, Emilia, and a few others.

[keen vapor]

Well, I have to go, need to get some things ready

[grand plaza]

I doubt Adj would help much with her anyway, wouldn't I need more charge speed for it?

[keen vapor]

I guess so... Resi is also fine

[keen vapor]

Oh no, blue top line

[grand plaza]

I am poor when it comes to rocks so I just try to keep CP high instead of going for good lines

She is offburst for the most part anyway

[keen vapor]

Rail my Rosanna lines needs full reroll

[grand plaza]

And for some reason game really wanted to give her crit lines

[keen vapor]

I got poor too

[tropic summit]

are you ~~prayers ~~rocks ready?

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/luce-throwing-stone-luce-throwing-stones-throwing-rocks-throwing-rock-gif-8289221401342069099

[keen vapor]

Had to make a plan for single reroll daily

[keen vapor]

No I don't know where to fit Rosa on the list

[swift mango]

Idk about rounding but the lv7 big CP pad upgrade is still there.

[grand plaza]

[swift mango]

Much better cp than leaving it at 6.

[tropic summit]

remind me your reit skill invest

[keen vapor]

I use what I earn on the day

[grand plaza]

I hoard a bit, otherwise it feels bad

With hoarding it feels less bad

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/bill-clinton-zero-okay-ok-cool-gif-16822140

[swift mango]

But your core boxes.

[umbral belfry]

just like me

[shell hazel]

we're like family 🙂

[umbral belfry]

screw scar vs scar it's time for reit vs reit

[tropic summit]

also gonna have to throw that anis in sync

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/love-family-gif-24307274

[keen vapor]

That's why one roll daily, to save surplus

[umbral belfry]

[shell hazel]

but my Anis is super weak

[tropic summit]

reit 1/1/1 vs reit 1/1/1

[grand plaza]

Oh, I pretty much get one per day so its all I have

[shell hazel]

even Nihilister could kill her 😦

[tropic summit]

guess you gonna be family for 5th team too then

[swift mango]

So you open one core dust box a day too?

[shell hazel]

ReiT has 4/4/4 skills but no OL or anything tbh

doubt she'll wipe anyone

my Cindy is 85K and my Centi is like half that, it just goes downhill from there 😄

[umbral belfry]

tick tock

time is running out to last minute build your units

[shell hazel]

no chance I can do it really, I can move onto stuff but am trying to finish scarlet skills also

[umbral belfry]

[swift mango]

I won't have my pepper ready for CA.

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/nikke-pepper-gif-13401765787727207396

[tropic summit]

🧱

[tropic summit]

more selection than hime, although the anis not being usable clearly ruins everything

well if anything reit, ein, mw, rosanna, moran, mari, pepper and bay are sadly out of question

[umbral belfry]

[tropic summit]

although bay could still be used

[shell hazel]

my ReiT 1/1/1 would win Hime

[tropic summit]

is she at least 4/4/4?

[umbral belfry]

[tropic summit]

(bay)

[umbral belfry]

booo tomato booooooo!!!!!!

[shell hazel]

I can make her 4/4/4 whether she likes it or not

[tropic summit]

hmmmmmmmmmmm

let's see if we need her

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/bay-nikke-cheerleader-cheerleading-gif-14534353329378131724

[umbral belfry]

it's okay, i have what hippo lacks (rumani)

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/taken-i-will-find-you-bryan-mills-liam-neeson-gif-4984536

[umbral belfry]

hippo finding me in CA and i lose

[shell hazel]

I can move building resources to units like Bay etc as I go, just going to take a bit of time to sort, maybe not all ready for this one but 2-3 more options could be sort of ready by next

[tropic summit]

@shell hazel you gonna need this 🧯 for that 🔥

[shell hazel]

I'll just send in ReiT or Scarlet solo job jobbed

[umbral belfry]

[shell hazel]

trick is you apply the healing before the words hurt

[spare nimbus]

Do the rewards for sp arena cap out at 23:56 or 24 hours? I might have accidentally forgot to claim it 😭 it said i was at 100% when i was at 23 hours 56 min

[shell hazel]

SPA reward cap is just the arena currency

the points carry on anyway as I understand it

[umbral belfry]

doesn't it overcap?

[shell hazel]

and they auto-claim so if you got stuck for a week or two unable to claim think you still get all your points

pls someone correct me if wrong

[spare nimbus]

If thats true then thank god lmaooo

[shell hazel]

I'd welcome a 2nd opinion on this ofc just as I understood it

[spare nimbus]

Cause that might have put me out of champion arena

[umbral belfry]

big oof

[shell hazel]

it's hard to see the screen due to Hime making me cry

[umbral belfry]

always always claim your arena points

dw i'll get bad luck for my AI today

[shell hazel]

she made fun of my lack of Rumani

[stuck pike]

Cap is just vouchers. Not the chips.

[umbral belfry]

but at least my will finally be full OL

seb is safe

[shell hazel]

great pve unit as well, no regrets making DPS crown

[umbral belfry]

life feels so much better taking out tia for crown

[shell hazel]

my dps crown

[swift mango]

Do you think sabotage will happen in SPA? Like a group of people or a whale know they can't beat 1 guy in CA so they focus all their hits or gemming to get that 1 guy out of C4?

[umbral belfry]

Charge dmg

[shell hazel]

she's too strong for charge dmg

[stuck pike]

As it should. Tia delays full burst, not just worse buffs.

[shell birch]

hey guys.a guy always comes first in my server in rookie arena because he has a lot of extra cp but his team is cindirella noah rumani laplace thelm. is it exploitable?(i have pretty much every nikke but a 15-20% deficit)

[shell hazel]

cindy p1?

[umbral belfry]

Bullying

[stuck pike]

But you'll use her anyways for raids.

[tropic summit]

your lack of rumani and anis is gonna lead to these leftovers, T4 might still come out resembling a team, T5 is gonna be frankestein

[shell birch]

yeah i know its wrong ,you can probably target his noahg right away right?

[swift mango]

[shell hazel]

if they put Cindy in p1 it helps you

[umbral belfry]

'your lack of rumani'

[shell hazel]

I can start to build Anis to be OK at least

[tropic summit]

daily reminder to not use cindy in p1

[shell hazel]

she'll need to stay safe

[tropic summit]

i dunno probably tanks CP too hard

[stuck pike]

Yes. Biscuit Noah with a fast enough burst gen to get Noah's burst off.

[tropic summit]

gonna have to use your pepper though

[swift mango]

Rephrase this with Emi and we hit lots of marks.

[umbral belfry]

I'm hit

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/nikke-pepper-gif-13401765787727207396

[umbral belfry]

emilia rerun please i beg

[tropic summit]

out. now.

[shell hazel]

shots fired

https://tenor.com/view/man-down-ryan-mc-partlin-matt-johnstone-hunter-killer-someones-injured-gif-18343779

[shell birch]

thanks ill try that

[shell hazel]

Railtracer can I use Priscilla in my team?

I don't care that she doesn't exist but we're in the matrix and I want Priscilla

[unkempt monolith]

My highest rookie arena rank yet

[stuck pike]

You'll obviously still need enough damage with the rest of your team. You may have every Nikke as you say, but I doubt they're all built up. Either way, Red Hood is definitely a safe choice against a team like that. Emilia is another.

[umbral belfry]

emilia

[shell hazel]

cp deficit is hurty though

[shell birch]

yeah indeed most of them are not build.noah is like semi build and red hood is the only meta nikke i still dont have

[shell hazel]

you'll have to check for it

opponent cp * 0.846 is your ideal minimum

[stuck pike]

I'm usually lower than that in special arena.

[tropic summit]

@shell hazel whatever monstruosity can be made out of these leftovers

[stuck pike]

It comes down to buffs and using the right tanking mechanics or fast enough burst.

[tropic summit]

can you find rumani real quick @shell hazel

[shell hazel]

get Hime to send me a copy

[umbral belfry]

dw hippo, you don't have rumani. and i don't have rh. we're even

[tropic summit]

that seems like a bad trade off

[umbral belfry]

this ain't about that

[shell hazel]

I would offer a trade but I only have 1 copy of RH

[umbral belfry]

[shell hazel]

overpowered Anis team no doubt

[stuck pike]

Enjoy /s

[umbral belfry]

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-him-pointing-out-i-saw-it-checking-out-review-gif-10881577179512671677

stole my Rumani

[umbral belfry]

next ten roll rumani is in there trust

[shell hazel]

omg that is amazing 😄

[tropic summit]

@shell hazel meal is ready, coming out of oven, prepare to get reit to 4/4/4

[shell hazel]

if it fails I'll send a ticket to SU asking them to give me my Rumani

[tropic summit]

just get rumani asap

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/thanksgiving2023-gif-14666696050036909872

[umbral belfry]

rail crusty irl with all these CA cooks

crust? crusty? i forgot her name

[shell hazel]

Rail please can you cook my actual dinner? I am hungry

pasta sounds grand

[stuck pike]

Reset time incoming.

[umbral belfry]

surely gold boxes for dolls

[tropic summit]

oh actually won't need reit afterall

[shell hazel]

the guy in rank 5 swapped with rank 2 but he's gotten sloppy and not taken it back

[tropic summit]

would tank CP too much

[shell hazel]

so for first time in a while rank 5 is rank 2 on reset

[shell hazel]

np I'll hold off spending any manuals for a bit

[umbral belfry]

do you guys know who your top 4 will be for your qualifying CA yet? i figured mine out

[shell hazel]

yeah if it sticks to my bracket it's the usual 4

[stuck pike]

Not me after the last arena shuffle. Leviathans took the top 5 spots.

[tropic summit]

cubes

quantum on jackal, trina
vigor on noise, anchorIM, blanc, rapu, biscuit (if short, no need on anchor)
temperance on noah, tia
any other nikke run highest lvl cube

[umbral belfry]

My c3-7 has been flip flopping so much lately fun to watch

[umbral belfry]

This CA drug something serious

[fathom rock]

Everyone from ch10-2 has stayed in top 4 for a bit, i have no clue
I only know 1 for sure

[umbral belfry]

Lock in there's still time

[tropic summit]

dinner probably almost done too
time to check the pasta 🤔

[umbral belfry]

unless the one you know for sure is you then

[fathom rock]

Its not me, but i have been doing my best staying in ch2

[umbral belfry]

There's a chance

[fathom rock]

When i sleep i lose like 5h in ch7

[umbral belfry]

oof

[shell hazel]

thanks sir just doing my new dailies quick I'll check how the cp looks and see where I need to go next for invest 🙂

[pale knoll]

Don't sleep them

[fathom rock]

[shell hazel]

some of the units at least have some skills set, I think 5 will be cope team for sure 😄

[tropic summit]

be like my ch1, has at worst 5hrs offline

he has less than 5hrs sleep since last week

i keep hitting him specifically when he goes in that break

[fathom rock]

I sleep healthy 8h,health comes first

Also like doesnt matter when i sleep at this point since i know palad is 24/7 waiting for me to get off to snipe me

[whole pawn]

@tropic summit my full roster, including units that I didn't take screenshots for them

[tropic summit]

what a fine gentleman that lad

now imagine if instead they actually fought someone above them instead

[fathom rock]

No one can beat iggy in the bracket bro is nearing lv441

And im ch2 so basically highest target

[tropic summit]

oh sadge

whel gathering dust on ch1 how unusual

[whole pawn]

@keen vapor help? I tend to make an update for my current def team, although not the rest is built yet, and I lack some units, but I wanna take notes so I can build them later on

[tropic summit]

put trina in synchro

[whole pawn]

ok

[tropic summit]

noise in syncro

[shell hazel]

you held 1? 😮

[umbral belfry]

rail winning against the triad

[tropic summit]

who has more hp between ein and SBS?

[tropic summit]

i held something like ch2-ch3-ch4 at regular intervals

all by hitting them at the right time, in particular hitting ch1 at a specific time in the day prevented ch5 to even have a chance to hit

[umbral belfry]

[tropic summit]

as ch5 can only hit ch4-ch3-ch2

[stuck pike]

Challenger 7 and up are the most insulated spots.

Challenger 8 and below are vulnerable to Diamond nonners.

[tropic summit]

my god this is gonna be ultra copium

trying to make a 3rd team out of the leftovers

[umbral belfry]

getting that itch again

gotta stop myself and be patient

[umbral belfry]

anni is soon i must wait

but rumani and centi's dolls

[tropic summit]

anchorIM centi cind xmaiden rouge
scarlet grave RH tia jackal
blanc sbs biscuit drake rumani

quantum on centi, xmaiden, rouge (if leftover on jackal)
vigor on anchorIM, biscuit, blanc
temperance on centi
any other nikke run highest lvl cube

notes: build asap trina to improve T2, 4/4/4 4OL R15 doll, finish helm treasure yesterday

[whole pawn]

probably sbs since she is way invested, I have to take a look

[tropic summit]

it's fine won't use ein in the end dw

[whole pawn]

no noise or trina?

didn't know drake is used in pvp tho

[tropic summit]

we can't use them because they're literally unbuilt you silly

you're aiming for this as a direct upgrade as soon as possible, don't build weird S**T or throw rocks needlessly anymore to try and unbrick yourself

[whole pawn]

ik, this is just for now, but once I have Trina and noise built, we can add them right?

although idk why u added drake

[tropic summit]

because you don't have noah

can't even hit 3RL on 3 teams without drake

once you've noah T3 changes drammatically

[whole pawn]

but drake isnt built, IG I have to build her

[tropic summit]

holy f are you doing this on purpose or just dense?

[coarse lake]

@keen vapor are you guys able to do a emi vs bay setup for me

[whole pawn]

soory, I m trying to understand

[coarse lake]

blanc emi vs noise rapu sbs bay centi
then
blanc emi vs noise/rapu/sbs/centi/bay
something like that, I wanna know if bay reduces emi nuke at all

[whole pawn]

so it doesn't matter if she is invested or not, she s there just for 3 rl

[placid bloom]

you only invest if you are so CP gapped you need to pad

[stuck pike]

Drake with treasure is used in PvP, but you can skip using her if your roster is big enough. You can have 3 legit teams in Special Arena with zero shotguns used.

[whole pawn]

I have cp gap issue tbh

[stuck pike]

I have 2 2RL teams and 1 3RL team that does exactly that.

[placid bloom]

if you are losing to speed on CP team and losing to CP on speed team then there is not that much you can do tbh

just takes time to get CP up

[stuck pike]

That's why I mentioned having a 4th team for CA if they open it up past C4 as a shotgun team.

[whole pawn]

I got pinged, but dunno where

[whole pawn]

that's why I ol pvp units, for this reason

did rail delete his message?

[stuck pike]

Yes

or it was auto deleted

[tropic summit]

yeah giving you what to aim 2, one sec because i used rumani twice

@whole pawn

it's gonna need laplace treasured or a SG, noir/drake can work until then

for starters get yourself helmt and build up CP on noise

[whole pawn]

and Trina too

[tropic summit]

move then to trina and rumani/centi if they're still not 4/4/4 and 4OL

after that your issue is gonna be T3, until then just run the biscuit + blanc team i gave you earlier

[whole pawn]

centi and rumani are already oled, 4/4/4

[tropic summit]

good

[signal hull]

Ok if you remember yesterday's conversation, I tried this today and NOPE! Not with my S.Anis.... Not even close. She only killed 1/5
Over half a year playing this game and pvping and I still can't understand why is S.Anis so highly rated.

[stuck pike]

Second team matches one of mine. First team is using Centi instead of Noah though. That's because I'm running Blanc on my third team. Emilia is too good to not make a proper stall. That SBS team gets destroyed by a Sakura on attack.

[tropic summit]

sadly your s.anis is just poorly built, her dps and self buff make her very useful in 2RL teams or when you need to backstab the backline

[signal hull]

I'm f2p and wasting a lot of gems at trying to stay in top 4 (worth it!), would you say it's worth taking MLB S.Anis if she's rerun again this summer? Purely for pvp.

[tropic summit]

@signal hull videos probably speak better than words

2RL, 3RL indom, 4RL stall

[tropic summit]

assuming she even reruns, she re-run last year doubt it will be anytime soon

[stuck pike]

It's worth using gems to stay in the upper challenger ranks up until you attack more than 2 times.

For just being Challenger above Diamond, 3 times.

[signal hull]

Ok, but IF she reruns? Is she really worth it?

[whole pawn]

honestly, I need to make a list of doll priorities

[tropic summit]

she could get powercreeped, PvP has changed drastically in the last months

[signal hull]

Guess not then.

[tropic summit]

just look at what was introduced with helmT and trina

[signal hull]

Yeah.

[tropic summit]

if more units get treasure that can revamp pvp like that, s.anis might aswell just get old

atm she's still quite worth it