pvp-arena

[tropic summit]

that's good, gonna take a look

[sleek spade]

I also have a few levels 1 on the fence I just don't know if I should use

[tropic summit]

hmm go ahead and add them below

maybe some pvp core unit is there, hopefully not

[sleek spade]

I don't think so- this is it

[tropic summit]

ye looks fine

[sleek spade]

Im pretty aware with like what's considered good for PVP but not the best ways to use them ya know

[pale knoll]

Need exotic cooks to make this mf gem me more

[sleek spade]

Oh wait that's only 3s

Let me- send them ... All

That's ALL of them now

[tropic summit]

scarlet blanc rh bsoda jackal
naga centi cind emilia liter
noah biscuit rrh alice sugar

cubes

quantum on jackal, bsoda
vigor on blanc, biscuit
temperance on noah
any other nikke run highest lvl cube

notes:

wishlist/build rumani, trina
invest CP in:

-noah, biscuit, centi, emilia, scarlet, blanc
-priority getting helm treasured asap
-we'll want to replace sugar and bsoda with them instead to reduce SG feeding
-RRH will also have to go eventually (weak to scarlet), perhaps with SBS instead or emi once invested

[sleek spade]

Rh?

[tropic summit]

3 teams 2RL?

[tropic summit]

Redhood sir

[pale knoll]

Anything that could be tricky, just no noah

[sleek spade]

Ah ok sorry

[gaunt viper]

thought on a better team vs this? it always comes down to Jackal vs Centi. scarlet 1 shots both Emi and RH but the other 3 live. my win ratio fluctuates all the time cause it comes down to .5% health between the two

[tropic summit]

do you've RH or liter?

[gaunt viper]

yeah I've got most everything save for some collab units and winter annie

[tropic summit]

as it's rookie, we can overcommit to it

helmT less atk(OL included) than scarlet?

[sleek spade]

Making sure this is what you wanted?

[tropic summit]

yup looks good, you got all the spots right

[gaunt viper]

yes

[tropic summit]

CP is also surprisingly well distributed

go get em

[sleek spade]

Cool and I'll go wishlist Ruman I and Trina.

Whoops I don't know why that was a reply

[tropic summit]

yup, you gonna need them to improve further

[tropic summit]

ok you can get em with this (your team is on the left)

[sleek spade]

Helm will take time because I was working on drake so I'll switch to helm treasure

[tropic summit]

hmmm yeah priority wise helmT takes all of it

you can continue drake after and perhaps consider laplace

[gaunt viper]

hmmm okay, I'll let u know how it goes

[tropic summit]

record it if you can

that way we can ensure if they running 21% emi and some other CS%

[sleek spade]

Scarlet is almost completely finished. (7-8-8) Blanc is (4-6-8) Red Hood is done (10-10-10) the rest are at least (4-4-4)

[gaunt viper]

Definitely not as close as before

[tropic summit]

looks good, don't overinvest in utilities, just hit recommended budget for those

[tropic summit]

uh surprisingly hit 2.5RL though

enemy definitely has CS%, keep it in mind if you challenge them

[sleek spade]

Who is SBS

[tropic summit]

scarlet black shadow

[sleek spade]

Ah ok

[tropic summit]

@gaunt viper they've probably something like this

[sleek spade]

What should I do with the units we aren't using that I put into the syncro just take them out to make room for new units?

[gaunt viper]

Yeah they are one of my primary competitors, they went all in on their Rosanna too for SP arena as well

[sleek spade]

Like Anne miracle

[tropic summit]

focus on raising the CP of those utilities we mentioned, obviously give priority to campaign team if you didn't finish them and get helmT to speed

once helmT is ready and the utilities are geared, we can review them for a better T2 and T3

[sleek spade]

Ok. I'll work on that as I can

[gaunt viper]

CS on just emi you mean or in general?

[tropic summit]

it's likely just emi

at least in this video we're seeing, they might've some other ones

[gaunt viper]

then how'd they hit a 2.5rl burst with calculator saying 3rl?

[tropic summit]

the sheet i gave you does not account of a few things, we can use mobile app for that

[gaunt viper]

ah okay that makes sense then. I use the nikke deck so I didn't know if they worked the same or not too.

[tropic summit]

sort of, nikke deck also gives you a % of burst gen you feed to the enemy if jackal is running

there's also RNG from RH hitting cover

[gaunt viper]

ah that's true , ty for the assistance

[tropic summit]

this is what helped them hit threshold

in particular, trina and jackal hit p1 and p2, p2 is linked (emi), gives burst gen

helm and rh shoot p5, which is jackal, again receiving feed

lastly, enemy 21%CS emi raises a threshold, hence you get them to be 2.5RL

[gaunt viper]

I'm gonna be honest I never understood what correlated with it

[tropic summit]

that 10% you see consider it as giving it to the enemy

if enemy is 90% on 2.5RL you add that 10% and it becomes 100%, meaning they hit the thresholds to 2.5RL

for example this team if it gains 10% on 2.5RL threshold, it will hit 2.5RL via feed @gaunt viper

[sleek spade]

In terms of skills for the characters you listed what should I do because my Noah is (4-4-4) for example should I put more into her?

[tropic summit]

nah 4/4/4 is fine on noah

you can use prydwen to check for every unit recommended pvp invest

skillbook are a rare commodity, try to not use more than needed

[sleek spade]

Ok.

[signal hull]

Any ideas how to beat this? My best result (Scar/Trina/R.H/Helm/Jackal) burst first, but SOMEHOW two stay alive (always Biscuit and Cindy) and Cindy also SOMEHOW always bursts and oneshots my team. Tried with Noise instead RH, well, Noise lived for a bit longer. Alone.

[gaunt viper]

that 96.2% is what you're referring to, were that to get the 10% it would then go over 100% to make it 2.5rl?

[tropic summit]

ye you got it right

[tropic summit]

do you've emilia?

[signal hull]

No. I wish...

[tropic summit]

hmm

[gaunt viper]

huh, I'm surprised the 2.5RL isn't boxed then but I suppose because it's not guaranteed then

[tropic summit]

do you've s.anis?

or post your box, may be quicker

[signal hull]

Yes, but extremely mediocre. Sh*tty OL lines, SR5 doll, no copies.

[nimble portal]

Is it nikke deck?

[tropic summit]

box then let's see what could be arranged

[tropic summit]

https://nikke-deck.web.app/

[signal hull]

Something like this

[tropic summit]

what's RRH OLs? you can use blabla to get the sum

[signal hull]

~7% CS, some attack, some elem, lots of ammo, bit of CD. Nothing exceptional.

[tropic summit]

that may be a tall order for RRH then

[umbral belfry]

I'm not the only one with an abundance of cs on rrh (against my will)

[tropic summit]

what's trina skill lvls?

[tropic summit]

[signal hull]

5/9/8 currently. Stopped leveling until anni unit.

[tropic summit]

and scarlet skill lvl and atk%?

[signal hull]

10/7/10 ~15% ATK from gear, if that's what you're asking.

[tropic summit]

uh

so they're not weak at all

it's strange that biscuit survives

are you on CP deficit?

[signal hull]

~10k less than him

[tropic summit]

so shouldn't be

can you post this match up with a picture:

scarlet helmt trina rh jackal

just to confirm their CP against yours

[sleek spade]

Currently my units
Noah (4-4-4)
Biscuit (4-4-7)
RRH (4-4-4)
Alice (10-4-9)
Sugar (4-4-5)

Naga (6-6-5)
Centi (4-5-4)
Cinder (7-5-6)
Emil (4-7-5)
Liter (10-6-10)

Scarlet (7-6-6)
Blanc (4-5-6)
RH (9-10-10)
BSoda (7-4-4)
Jack (4-4-4)

What would you say should be my first priority- a lot of them are sitting where prydwen says is good.

[tropic summit]

gonna have to reset blanc, biscuit, sugar and perhaps bsoda unless you planning to build SG team, as they're overinvested

[signal hull]

already used all attempts today, so I hope you don't mind a bit of paint combination

[tropic summit]

ye that's good enough

[sleek spade]

Yeah I'll wait for the event to come back around

[tropic summit]

you ran trina in p2 and she survived to burst correct?

[sleek spade]

Blanc was my first tank so I built her a lot.

[signal hull]

everybody survives, I burst with Scarlet, she kills everyone but Biscuit and Cindy, Cindy bursts. EVERY time.

yes Trina uses her burst for sure

It feels like I need just a TINY little bit of CP to oneshot entire enemy team, like I'm 1% away

[tropic summit]

hmm if cindy bursts it means noise managed to hit B1 before you killed them, since you're 2RL that means they're 2.5RL

2RL B3 is on same time as 2.5RL B1

[signal hull]

Yeah pretty sure that's how it goes :/

[tropic summit]

i think what actually happens is that you leave noah and cindy alive, rather than biscuit

noah should get invulnerability from biscuit, cindy aswell

(as defender units)

noise B1
noah B2
cindy B3
= ded

[placid bloom]

does Scarlet burst damage overflow from decoy like shields

[tropic summit]

nuke bypass decoy

[placid bloom]

okay

[signal hull]

Yeah ok, so what do :/

[tropic summit]

i've video of a cindy 65 level gap on 11% deficit just dying to nuke

[tropic summit]

here you go

[tropic summit]

well you need a DPS type of B3 instead of a burst type

thing is, your best choice is SBS which is hard countered here by taunt defender + biscuit

[warm monolith]

Hello @tropic summit

[tropic summit]

second best choice is RRH but not quite up there to deal with them

third choice is s.anis copium

[signal hull]

Are you saying this is an undefeatable team? I don't think they exist.

What would be your perfect idea to counter his team? Except Emilia.

[tropic summit]

it's not undefeatable, but you do run short of the right tools

[signal hull]

I'm leveling pvp units anyway at this point, as soon as I finish OL W.Maiden, I switch to Moran next most likely.

[tropic summit]

did you try this one b4?

s.anis burst lvl9, no ammo OL, resil cube

oh you know what

[signal hull]

No, I did not try anything with my sh*tty mediocre S.Anis, but I might give it a go tomorrow after reset, I'll save it for now.

[tropic summit]

we can run double buff s.anis actually

this one as a legit chance

it's actually triple buff s.anis

[warm monolith]

@tropic summit if i write down enemy teams and their cp can you still help me i cant take photo in the current time

[tropic summit]

@signal hull try this one tomorrow, ensure s.anis has less hp than jackal and RH, you can force that with vigor on whoever is higher

run quantum on jackal tho if possible

[signal hull]

Ok I'll report tomorrow, thanks for the help.

[shell hazel]

Railtracer, wen CA?

[tropic summit]

get enough feed and you're 2RL, worse case scenario aiming for 2.5RL just like enemy team

[tropic summit]

you first

[shell hazel]

my Crow rookie defence isn't holding up

[tropic summit]

nvm probably bricked, if your helmT or RH both higher atk% than s.anis she doesn't get linked

[shell hazel]

Crow is letting me down!

[signal hull]

https://tenor.com/view/too-complicated-complex-complicated-gif-20008427

[oblique magnet]

finally...not SMG...(i have so many SR SMG dolls, lol)

[tropic summit]

@signal hull doublecheck later HP and atk% to ensure:

-s.anis 2nd or 1st highest atk% between helmT and RH (check OL included)
-s.anis lowest HP between HelmT and RH (can be fixed with vigor)

if those conditions aren't met, just run centi instead of helmT and yolo with double buff, which still should hurt

example video with single buff:

[signal hull]

https://tenor.com/view/slacking-off-pretending-to-write-down-listen-gravity-falls-gif-12276506

[warm monolith]

T1 scarlet/blanc/trina/rosanna/jackal (442k) T2 Noah/biscuit/sbs/laplace(T)/rapun (482k) T3 noise/rumani/centi/cindy/helm(T) (453k) pls help

[tropic summit]

your teams are on the left

trina use temperance or vigor, as she needs to survive laplace within 2RL (3 hits), make sure she has doll R15 or SR5

[warm monolith]

I dont have trina neither rh

[eager mountain]

specified no ammo lol

[tropic summit]

better safe than sorry, seen too many bricked s.anis b4

[tropic summit]

here then

check CP, if not in deficit run, T1 is gonna be suffering though, good luck

run vigor on helmt if she's not lower HP than SBS

[signal hull]

I swear I will eventually OL regular Anis >:((((

[warm monolith]

I got kicked out of the game and it says failed to initialize user information??

[tropic summit]

don't, there's trina rumani and helmT instead

[tropic summit]

happens sometimes, match probably went through anyway

check history, result should be there

[signal hull]

Not enough

[warm monolith]

No it happened before i was able to battle

And i cant log in rn did i get banned??

[tropic summit]

nah just timeout

log out completely, relog, restart game

[warm monolith]

Ok but how will i do that the game itself doesnt log in

I will try logging in with my pc tomorrow ig

[tropic summit]

hamburger menu from the launcher, logout

then log in again and start game again

[warm monolith]

Im on phone 😦

[tropic summit]

[warm monolith]

Why could i possibly do something to get timed out tho all i did was accidently going to campaign

Thank god it logs in back

Very slowly

[tropic summit]

you won't get banned unless you're using third party tools that are quite blatantly sus

emulating/macro etc

as long as you're a regular folk, won't get banned

[warm monolith]

Ok but i got timed out again 😦

[tropic summit]

probably phone issue

[warm monolith]

Maybe slow wifi?

[tropic summit]

try repairing it

(from launcher)

[warm monolith]

It times me out right before launcher screen

Ig ill try tomorrow on the pc,btw i got a bunch of material upgrade parts for dolls,which nikke should i prioratize

[keen vapor]

GOOD MORNING

[warm monolith]

morning

Update @tropic summit game finally opened up,i made the teams and equiped vigor for thelm and got SR 5 on rumani with the second try with blue materials currently on the battle

The first team lost but third won with sbs

Enemy 442k my team is 327k

Its 1 a.m. now i gotta go lets continue tomorrow good night

[jagged sedge]

Black bar for Rosanna. Shes gonna destroy

[glacial hound]

gotta get that attack up my man

[strange linden]

how did he manage to burst, it was 2RL vs 3RL smh

[umbral belfry]

might have cs% lines

[strange linden]

can it be a fluke? I used to beat it everytime before
is there any other comp I can use?

[grand plaza]

How does Anis's burst works in Arena?

Just effects one nikke?

[strange linden]

will it work here? it's 2.5RL vs 2RL
I wonder if trina+RH would still beat the team with Noise buffs

[keen vapor]

On normal circumstances should be 2

But we don't use her for her burst

[pale knoll]

Should be enough

Trina s2 level?

[strange linden]

lvl10

[pale knoll]

Yeah, should be enough

[grand plaza]

I could use her instead of Naga if it would hit all 5 tbh

Or I might need to use her if I replace Naga - Anis with Anis - Biscuit

[valid fern]

Indom might still proc and if Cindy gets ber burst off its gg

[strange linden]

is cindy a good feed for jackal?

[valid fern]

Not really

[grand plaza]

Aren't MG's are good feed for Jackal?

[pale knoll]

Should get at least 1 proc anyways

[pale knoll]

Cindy is not mg tho

[strange linden]

yes, SG too
Normally RL aren't a good feed but Cindy is a special case

[grand plaza]

Yep

[pale knoll]

Are you not 2rl?

[strange linden]

The team I showed is 2RL without taking account of the feed

and that's why I'm surprised I lost above when his team was 3RL

[pale knoll]

It did go through

[bleak shale]

He prob had enough speed to narrowly get rapu off and then his Noah/maiden was biscuit invuled after you slashed him

From what my eyeballs could see at least, I'm too lazy to look on pc

[pale knoll]

Yeah, like helm's nuke

[strange linden]

I think it was Noah's burst that makes them invincible and Maiden just finished my team with her burst

[bleak shale]

No he definitely was not invul

[pale knoll]

Biscuit invul

[bleak shale]

That was biscuit

His 3 in the middle literally exploded

[strange linden]

oh yeah true

I'll try against his third team and hope blanc won't get burst

[pale knoll]

0.5 rl difference should be enough

[vapid lake]

that cindy p2 u might be 1.5rl

If rl splash can reach cindy decoy

[strange linden]

alright it worked

[vapid lake]

Might also possible to beat with 5 shotgun because unprotected solo blanc

Blanc die his team cant burst

[bleak shale]

It does but it's also hard to reach 1.5 rl and not 1 rl with 4 rockets/snipers

Since they still only shoot once at 1.5 rl

[vapid lake]

Hes nearly 1 rl

[strange linden]

did he manage to burst with noise?

[vapid lake]

Yes

Many green numbers on his side

No wait that's helmT

His noise bursted same time as ur b3 went off

[bleak shale]

when ur bored and decide to throw a 3/3 win at ur opponent

saw noah unprotected p1 - time for 4sg

[pale knoll]

Think so

But double buff scarlet pretty potent

And your trina s2 is lvl 10 so

[vapid lake]

Watch his team total lifebar at the top it suddenly jumps a big amount at the end, that noise burst

Then scar burst just deletes them the next frame

[strange linden]

so even at 1.5rl, he managed to burst with noise
If he placed his cindy better, I guess he could get blanc burst in time

[vapid lake]

It wasn't 1.5rl

Ur burst still went off at 2nd rl shot

[valid fern]

I wonder can a well OL'd Laplace take out P1 Noise before she bursts.

[pale knoll]

Not my c5 noise with sr15 and 50% def

[cinder jewel]

[cinder jewel]

[bleak shale]

can a laplace with bsoda smack it tho

i always worry about my noise dying

[pale knoll]

I trust in her

[valid fern]

Okay now I'm sketchd out about P1 Noise on teams where she is the only B1

[bleak shale]

I trust her but I also put a 2nd b1 just Incase

[vapid lake]

I put her and rumani together

[grand plaza]

Who do you think would won this?

[strange linden]

we just talked about Cindy being bad at p2 above, guess he burst before you

[valid fern]

and feeding two shotguns into jackal link

[grand plaza]

Even with feed it can reach 3RL, while I am almost 2RL

And I don't think I will feed Jackal anyway, don't think Drake is high damage here, probably here to burst gen

[fiery parcel]

Teams are ok?

[grand plaza]

Yep

[trim fable]

what comp can I use against noah/noise/sbs/helm/jackal in rookie?

[valid fern]

you are feeding directly to Jackal herself. They will have a minimum of 2.5RL and it might even be faster because of your P2 Cindy. But it probably doesnt matter since they have no protection and get nuked anyways.

[grand plaza]

Hmm, I will feed while defending right? Because while attacking my SG just attacks Drake instead

edit. nope I am confused lol, looks like its SR

[valid fern]

if they use that as attacking team against your defending team then likely yes since drake is an attacker and will end up as two highest attack on team, so drake will be linked.

[swift mango]

2 SG feed to Jackal is another +28.4% in 2rl. P2 Cindy give Jackal another 7.1% in 2RL, anchor maid about 3%. It's enough for their team to burst in 2rl not even mention quantum cube.

Your team on the other hand 2.5-3rl best.

But them again, the result may vary by whether Cindy could burst and wipe before RH kill her after destroying your Naga.

[plucky charm]

can i win this matchup? my team is on top and i have like maybe 16% deficit on my cindy team

[grand plaza]

No she still won't linked since its clearly not invested enough to get Jackal link, which is better when I am the defender

[grand plaza]

I really underestimate Jackal feed then, didn't think it gets as much as %30 levels..

Fixed Cind p2 as well, this is how it played out.

https://i.imgur.com/J9esKdf.mp4

I will make some adjustments to the teams but for now this should be enough to defend hopefully

[vapid lake]

i think 1st team win and 2nd team lose

Because in deficit biscuit is tanking 4 RLs, 3 of which are iron, and if he has any ele lines on them by chance biscuit will die

Then noah becomes unprotected

After first invul is over

Then again if biscuit dies after a single rl shot ur opponent will lose burst gen from RL not splashing

He'll go down 1 RL tier

[plucky charm]

dang hes just barely over the % to get me into deficit
if i can get within the percentage would t2 win

[vapid lake]

should win

[swift mango]

Yeah, RH burst won't be able to kill you fast. Rh wasn't even b1 in this case. Her dmg was weaker than I expected for someone at higher CP.

Maybe you would be fine even with Cindy p2.

[plucky charm]

ill see if i can pull 5k power out of my ass somewhere ig
thanks

[trim fable]

works, ty

[grand plaza]

I think we made it to secure b2 but I highly doubt Anis will die there in my matchups

[grand plaza]

Quick question, does everyone has some kind of "feed" like Jackal? Even if its very little.

I am curious if I can consider this 2RL or it simply isn't

[swift mango]

Jack s1 is the only weird case that give you burst gen the more she is hit.

[grand plaza]

Hmm alright, btw does she need to be pos1 or it works same as long as pos1 is linked?

[plucky charm]

it did work thank you

[crystal flicker]

And Cindy P2 is feed to enemy

[grand plaza]

Yeah don't mind it, its temp

[valid fern]

No. This is where quantum cubes might be able to help tho.

[grand plaza]

Should work with 2 Quantum3 + HelmT s1 10, or it would be very close I guess. I can test when the time comes

[dire root]

I wonder if I build Helm T enough if I could punish the whale for Cindy P1.

[bleak shale]

u should be able to do it even without building helm much

[dire root]

Cindy has crazy damage to still one shot at 20% deficit.

[pastel owl]

does deficit applies to the defending team

[bleak shale]

do u have an aoe nikke to wipe him?, cindy p1 basically gives all ur rockets 1.75x gen

[bleak shale]

ive never specifically looked tbh, but most likely?

[dire root]

Rei T I don't think it's enough though. Unless I overload her gear.

[bleak shale]

ya i think u die to deficit there, once u break the wall u should be able to smack him all u want for that cindy in p1

[dire root]

It's kind of crazy no one can beat that team in the entire bracket, I assume it's the combat power.

[pastel owl]

t.helm burst + rh b1 should do it is fast enough

[dire root]

Uhhhh

[pastel owl]

oh maybe not s3

[bleak shale]

basically cindy p1 = u get to hit p2 for 3 target + 3 cover splash + decoy,
normally rl hits p1 for 2 target 2 cover = 7/4(1.75x) gen increase on RL

which can even put you at 1rl speeds depending on the team

[dire root]

Helm T is only phase 1 right now sadly

I forget how many of the upgrade material does each dispatch give?

[bleak shale]

3 i think

[dire root]

Yeah it will be 6 days to phase 2 then.

[dire root]

damn so little, I wish I rolled Helm much earlier so I could have been collecting the entire time.

Also realized I forgot to put a cube on Helm, I don't know what quantum cube is, so bastion it is.

[bleak shale]

is that for helm specifically on prydwen?

[dire root]

Yeah

Is it wrong?

[bleak shale]

eh, its not exactly wrong, quantum only increases the base shot+s2, not the s1 gauge fill

[drifting hazel]

From what know, your temp positioning sucks

[bleak shale]

so its equivilent to putting it on a mag RL which is acceptable

[dire root]

Temp?

[drifting hazel]

Team

[bleak shale]

probably typoed team, ur rh isnt bursting there cuz jackal/rumani infront + no s2 aside from rh

[dire root]

Oh, well I wanted jackal to be hit for extra burst gen.

but if red hood was in P1 then Rei T wouldn't fire

[drifting hazel]

Yeah but bricking a damage boost

[bleak shale]

as long as they hit into the jackal link u get gen

any of the 3 targets linked = all of them get hit for 1/3 dmg

[drifting hazel]

Jackal at least should be P5

I’m wondering why he’d want Rei bursting and not RH

[dire root]

Literally no one else could have gone in P1 if I want them linked while also firing Rei T.

Red hood and Helm team have the 1st and 2nd highest damage I believe.

[bleak shale]

reiT is actually a pretty good aoe nuke, he said cindy was wiping his team so realistiaclly if we're going for speed nuke > 10s of dps

[drifting hazel]

I don’t remember Rei T burst. Ain’t got the game loaded

[dire root]

I think it may have a higher base damage then Cindy

unsure

[drifting hazel]

Depends on the buffers

[bleak shale]

lower than cindy, lower than trina scarlet but should be around 3rd or 4th in a vacuum, you get the self steroid iirc

[drifting hazel]

If atk is what you lack, then you need to slot your RH as a B1

[dire root]

There may be a small hope of me unlocking more cubes now.

I hate this sector so much

this sector is the worst.

[bleak shale]

but yea i think ur main problem vs him atm is cp issues

[drifting hazel]

Is biscuit a b2?

[bleak shale]

yes

once you break the wall im sure ur going up 20-40 levels or more right? 🙂

[drifting hazel]

He could throw out Rumani and slot her in

So he has his B2

[dire root]

Yeah the combat power forces me to use red hood to pad combat power, where other wise I could but a burst unit to burst faster.

[drifting hazel]

And maybe slot her in p1 for the time being

[dire root]

And Asuka

[bleak shale]

rumani is clip rl, biscuit is normal rl + burst doesnt really help his team

[drifting hazel]

Her Rei T p2 and Rh P3-4 with Jackal in p5

[dire root]

I need to use 2 units in full overloaded gear to match his combat power lol

[drifting hazel]

Unless he has a semi built sr Anis he is bricked

[bleak shale]

nah hes going to slap him by the end of may surely with half ani lb3 coming right

all he needs is to wait to break 160 wall

[dire root]

I sometimes think of building Anis sr fpr PvP, but then I regain my sanity and realize how much of a waste of damn materials that would be

[drifting hazel]

That’s true

[bleak shale]

from forever ago

[dire root]

If I was going to build anyone for PvP it would be Nuke units like Rei T

[bleak shale]

my opponent OLed to hit me so i had to OL to cp gap him again and then we were both back where we started -20 rocks

[pastel owl]

who else do you have for b2, like centi or blanc?

[dire root]

I wish.

[pastel owl]

reiT is sending their cindy team to 2RL ig

[dire root]

Why did I hand novel a doll?

[dire root]

Oh right, curse jackal feed

[pastel owl]

since ur redhood is so buffed you may try this or even put rh in p1 to hope it lifesteal out damage cindy burst

[dire root]

Yes very buffed

[dire root]

Deficit will kill that team. Probably needs another high investment unit like Asuka or Naga to combat pad.

Ah but then that will feed jackal

Maybe Alice then

[pastel owl]

deficit wise its safe

[dire root]

Oh wow it is.

I saw 15k difference in power and just assumed lol

[atomic wolf]

Sbs team is essentially screwed because I dont have enough battery

[dire root]

https://imgur.com/a/mRLEATL Tragic

Cindy is just a pain in my side when it comes to PvP

so overpowered

[atomic wolf]

@tropic summit

anything i can do to clear their damn team

[pastel owl]

you might have a little bit more chance p1 rh(b1+b2+b3), otherwise should give up for now until hving more protective units/nuke,
atm even you reach 1rl still not fast enough to stop cindy

you will hv to be lucky with a rh lifesteal hit in between a cindy hit and steal enough hp not to die to a 2nd hit

[lunar pawn]

they all died again, chef

[atomic wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/kazuma-kiryu-yakuza-dame-da-ne-kiryu-kazuma-gif-7371695933163593833

[crystal flicker]

Ok, my Rosa can 1 shot dps now

[rich quail]

What are your Rosa stats?

[shut seal]

Fam, can I get suggestions on an updated Special Arena set? Currently running:

scarlet xanne rh noir jackal
naga centi cind laplace+ noise
noah biscuit rapu s.anis emilia

Now with Helm treasure and Trina, still no Rumani from the wishlist tho

[atomic wolf]

THIS DOGSHIT TEAM WORKSX DDDDD

that is certainly concerning

SBS indom was not anywhere close to killing the last standing cindy

also hmm the guy demian is in this server and pocket watching me

no wonder why he keeps changing his bio

[thorn pagoda]

i hope he keeps destroying you

this channel is for advice, not for bragging, gloating & complaining

[hushed kelp]

Can anyone explain the cut offs for charge speed OL lines for RL nikke and how they affect burst speed in arena?

I see some people say 17% is the number to aim for and others 20%??

[umbral crown]

[valid fern]

its basic math. 17% is the cutoff because your charged shots become .83RL and three of those shots turns your otherwise 3RL timing into 2.5RL timing.

[atomic wolf]

too bad you didn't see the 500 questions i posted above

and i was not bragging

[hushed kelp]

That makes it super clear, thanks

[thorn pagoda]

why did you unblock me 😩

[crystal flicker]

Still SR5, with 3 Atk lines iirc

[quick lake]

Last line left

[crystal flicker]

I wont put her on my def until CA comes, for surprise

[raven plover]

the enemy surprise you back with their rosanna

[quick lake]

Surprise surprise

[crystal flicker]

Now should I build Soda

[atomic wolf]

@quick lake can oyu help me with this, i have thelm already

[quick lake]

T1: Skip
T2: Scar Trina RH Rumani Jack
T3: Moran Biscuit SBS THelm Centi

[crystal flicker]

Immune and Indom also immune from Stun yes?

[atomic wolf]

so i guess my defense is still trashed

[quick lake]

Still can get stunned

[umbral belfry]

the beef you two have always makes me laugh

[thorn pagoda]

it would be more funny if we were in the same bracket so I could snipe him and waste his gems

[atomic wolf]

i forgot that i had him blocked, but honestly its because there was no ignore feature back then

i don't care much about him i think he's just trying to grab my attention since i don't even know most of the shit he was talking about me

[thorn pagoda]

#gacha-rolls message

#pvp-arena message

[rich quail]

Nice

Even if you don’t 1-shot all you need is cleanup by b3

[umbral belfry]

The only way for you two to settle this is to duke it out in CA

[nimble portal]

Lmao

[valid fern]

i wonder how wide the CA bracket gonna be. I don't wanna see any Emilias

[umbral belfry]

I'm assuming the top 4 for the 'league' is your league and if you're #1 there you go on. you don't vs someone with emi/sanis

i'm on the same boat

[crystal flicker]

Get that 401

[umbral belfry]

Is it common to not have a lot of credits at that level? rn at around 250-ish it's still core dusts for me

[thorn pagoda]

after spending a lot of credits on OL upgrades and cubes, i lost track of it

[umbral belfry]

[quick lake]

Generally core dust should be ur bottleneck for a long time

[atomic wolf]

it depends, if you're bottlenecking data and core this is normal
if you're bottlenecking credit is because you buy some other things in the shop

[quick lake]

u’ll only lack credits when u upgrade too much gear

[umbral belfry]

It's over for me

[tulip quest]

Hmmm just 0 0 0 0 if you want budget shud be okay

yea 5 5 5 5 stats for materials not worth in the long run

Unless your 5 main team in HC pushing

[umbral belfry]

Might have to start leveling my main OL gear bc I'm stuck on MC

[valid fern]

which chapter is that again?

[umbral belfry]

32

[quick lake]

MC is mostly an Ein/Cindy dps check

[crystal flicker]

SAnis

[umbral belfry]

I have no Ein I can only believe in cindy

no Sanis either I joined nikke too late

[crystal flicker]

Scarlet if your Rouge is built

[umbral belfry]

I'm afraid she is not and i need to reroll my scarlet to make her more optimal

It's over for me time to level up

[quick lake]

are u using helm for mc?

[umbral belfry]

No. I'm using Naga but I did attempt with Helmt once

My main problem is if I take out sbs/alice (my most invested dps) for cindy, I lose about 20k+ cp and then my units get bonked

[quick lake]

If Helm is treasured and burst somewhat leveled, can possibly use helm charged shot to break slippers

[umbral belfry]

[valid fern]

i spent that much and started running out of BD before credits

[quick lake]

U either never exchange for cd, or do it once and never again

[crystal flicker]

I spent Battle Data for CD conversion, that makes me have 100K CD and only 1M Battle Data

[valid fern]

i exchange BD for like 30k CD and realize that shit aint worth

never again

[quick lake]

At really high syncs 541+, u will exchange bd for credits

Or alternatively u exchange bd for cd once, then get that boost, then never exchange again

[crystal flicker]

30 levels is nothing

I keep trading place with whale

[thorn pagoda]

it gives you a slight edge

[umbral belfry]

oof

[tribal sleet]

What cp should i be at tbf, im like 271 nikkes at like 662k cp
I can barely keep up with the 800k cps

[crystal flicker]

850K at least

[tribal sleet]

Oof

[crystal flicker]

C1 C2 vs Everybody

[umbral belfry]

almost 5m

[rich quail]

People told me past 400 the credits will dry up quick

I haven’t used many credit cases in recent times, but I do notice having to dip into the savings a bit more than before

I’m sync 403

@umbral belfry

[tribal sleet]

Could someone help me make 3 atk, 1 def team

My current synchros

[umbral belfry]

Holy savings

[crystal flicker]

Bricked Whale

[rich quail]

Core dust gets used up a lot more

Battle data… I’ve used a lot but you also get a lot back

[tribal sleet]

I only whale for skins

[thorn pagoda]

i've noticed people that have this as their profile frame get sniped more often in pvp arena

so i don't use it

[copper creek]

I invite my whole bracket to have at me lmao

[valid fern]

anybody here using budget Moran to some success? like 4/4/4?

[copper creek]

ok with biscuit, not ok without

[swift mango]

It's fine if you need a Tanky P1 so you can burst I guess.

[tribal sleet]

Ok heres full roster, some changed were made earlier though to who got synchrod

Looking for 3 atk teams, and 1 def team

[raven plover]

thats a lot of credits

[valid fern]

hm I definitely can't afford to max invest in moran sadly. I guess budget will have to do for fifth team

[tribal sleet]

Same

[umbral belfry]

sure would be a shame if someone took all those boxes

[crystal flicker]

Why skip Trina

[umbral belfry]

[tribal sleet]

I be hoarding too

[umbral belfry]

9 RL dolls yoink

Idk how you guys don't get tempted to open things

[tribal sleet]

Feeling of not having enough, or wastefully using them

[umbral crown]

give some credits

[umbral crown]

[valid fern]

all i see is a bricked account

[tribal sleet]

True

[rich quail]

@keen vapor we found competition for you

[umbral crown]

why

whats the point to brick yourself

[umbral belfry]

does this get updated with new ssr units?

[umbral crown]

[tribal sleet]

Tbf i havent really asked for help for like the first year and a half I started playing

So i dont really fully know what im doing

[umbral crown]

[rich quail]

Say whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat

[jagged iron]

What cube works with Moran?

[quick lake]

Based SR15 10/10/10 Moran

[thorn pagoda]

vigor imo

[quick lake]

Temperance

[thorn pagoda]

will have to give that a go. i removed quantum off of noah and gave her temperance awhile back

[crystal flicker]

Anyway
Scarlet Blanc RH SAnis Jackal (Make sure Scarlet highest or 2nd highest atk in team)
Noah Centi Cindy HelmT Noise
Crown ScarBS La+ Rapunzel Noir/Drake or just CP pad team

I want to use Biscuit, but I think CP pad just better for your case

Def just use CP pad tbh, or take the 2RL Cindy above

[tribal sleet]

Thanks

[thorn pagoda]

ai generated Moran

[crystal flicker]

Meh

[jagged iron]

Yeah, not the best Moran.

[valid fern]

Further bricking my Solo Raid by leveling xMica and Mana S2 instead of maxing Rouge.

Unless I can find excuse that scar/trina/rouge can punch through noise comp

[jagged iron]

I actually happened to finish my Rouge today.

I still need two more copies to SLB.

[valid fern]

She's good investment for SR

[jagged iron]

I read somewhere she works with Scarlet. If true, I would be happy.

[warm vortex]

i'm looking at the Keripo PVP tier list. and the recommended cube a lot of the time is the Charge Speed cube. I thought that quantum cube was the go to?

is this so that your 3RL team is actually 2.99RL and hits just a BIIIIIT faster than the opponents? etc.

[jagged iron]

Well, I don’t have Temperance unlocked yet. After what chapter is that one available?

[atomic wolf]

Pvp you can play scarlet moran trina I think

[crystal flicker]

I just checked, and from what I saw, He recommend Quantum for Clip RL and CS for 2nd choice or other RL

[jagged iron]

I don’t have Trina or Scarlet. I’ll keep that in mind, however.

[valid fern]

If you are going to wide cast a general cube recommendation, CS cube makes sense. However, both are still situational. Quantum is even more situational tho.

[crystal flicker]

To make the most of Quantum, you want 17% CS on your Clip RL

[quick lake]

That's roughly the idea. Its abit more complicated than that because "u are as fast as your slowest RL". If you have 5 RL units, 4 of them have 10% cs, but the last one has 0% cs, we can be waiting for that "limiting" projectile to fire

[valid fern]

ngl I'm kinda digging this SR's frame. maybe I'll brick CA for SR instead

[quick lake]

Quantum is rather over rated. Temperance broadly better for pvp imo

[umbral belfry]

i missed all the cute frames

this sr frame is pretty cool tho yeah

[swift mango]

To make the most of quantum, you want a Burst Gen calculator when you make teams. And only add them so that the team reach the threshold.

Basically, you need to math.

[jagged iron]

Do cubes make a major difference in PVP?

[warm vortex]

this makes sense, you're only as strong as your weakest link. or "as fast as" in this case

[quick lake]

Cube dont really matter that much in pvp. Just slap the highest level cube, or temperance

[quick lake]

Yep! Exactly! Only adding cs cube to the "weakest link", makes ur team burst "faster"

[jagged iron]

I haven’t really upgraded any of them past Lvl. 3.

[warm vortex]

is temperance that good? i have temperance at level 4, but vigor at 8 (the max hp one). which ones better for tanks?

[valid fern]

oh shit but what if CA has it's own cool looking frame. I might have to think this one out.

[umbral belfry]

honestly i like the little dice frames for CA. but having to either win/lose all bets is

[quick lake]

Both are fine.
I think the heuristic is, if Defender can put HP cube (or tempura), if attacker put tempering, if supporter, either is fine

[warm vortex]

that makes things easy. i'll try to remember that

[quick lake]

This is arguably the hardest part for pvp folks to understand

Using brain in booba game? No way!

[swift mango]

You may want Tempering or Vigor to lv13 after you got your Resilience there as a main PvP.

Tempering is overall better with high rank purple doll. Vigor has the benefit of buffing Cindy, XMaiden and manipulating HP when needed.

Pick your poison, most go for tempering. And keep vigor lv7.

[warm vortex]

yeah, idk when to switch from Raid cubes to PvP cubes. i have resil and bastion at 11 both atm

you think 13 is a good turning point?

[jagged iron]

After what chapter does Temperance become available? I don’t have that unlocked yet.

[swift mango]

I wouldn't invest in Bastion because I'm no main raid player.

[crystal flicker]

#pvp-arena message

[swift mango]

You won't need to worry about that. Just focusing on getting you Quantum and Resilience to 7. Then Resilience to 11-13. You would already have Tempering before you reach that

[swift mango]

11 is fine as well. But 13 is good point I think.

[crystal flicker]

So if I'm using 5 Clip RL with Lv7 Quantum, I'll get additional 23.3% Burst gauge per wave

Should make it to 1RL with Jackal feed

[quick lake]

why + 23.3%

[crystal flicker]

4.66 * 5

[quick lake]

Quantum increase the equipper's base gen

Trina has base gen 14.4% so with quantum its: 14.4% * (1.04) = 14.98%

[crystal flicker]

Is it tho

[quick lake]

Yes. Anis and Jackal have the same base burst gen of 14.2%

[crystal flicker]

Where 1.04?

[quick lake]

from quantum 7

So actually q7 is pretty trash

[valid fern]

imagine if CA participants can get that dice medal for losing every round.

[quick lake]

What if u win all the rounds and bet on urself on all the rounds

[crystal flicker]

This the fastest possible yeah

What about hitting multiple target tho

[quick lake]

yeah, that's roughly ~80% gen in 1RL, need alot of jackal feed

[quick lake]

Burst gen values account of hitting P1 and P2 targets

[crystal flicker]

Cover?

[quick lake]

yep accounted as well

[crystal flicker]

What about Cindy P1

[quick lake]

If u want the exact math

[crystal flicker]

So that's gonna be 2x burst gen

[quick lake]

Yep. Cindy P1 gives 1.75x more gen. But u dont need 5 ClipRL to achieve that 1 RL

[crystal flicker]

P2?

[quick lake]

To my knowledge, it is still impossible to 1 RL at all, ignoring ~~P1 ~~Cindy shenanigans and Sac

[quick lake]

Probably need to math abit. Possibly yes

[crystal flicker]

So Rossacc is actually OP

[quick lake]

at the expense of cp

[crystal flicker]

4 well invested should be able to carry deficit

Ignoring whale

With 7/10/10 Rossa only needed to fill 64% gen

[swift mango]

You needs every 1% you could get your hand on when you need them. So still need to lv7 it first as Arena player.

[swift mango]

Or add 2 counter from Scarlet to this.

Now that I think of it. Scarlet counter is also a good source of burst gen.

10 bullets and Jackal bive 3.55%.

While on average 10 bullets trigger 3 counters from Scarlet and give 1.2% gen.

That's not too shabby.

So in a Scar+Jack linked team 10 bullet give 4.75% burst gen on average. Not just 3.55.

This is a life changer on how to calculate the burst gen from the chart to me.

As now, against a SG and 77% team could be 2rl.

[crystal flicker]

Can't wait for Nikke to make a kit that reduce hp to 1 lmao

Skill 1: Reduce HP to 1
When die, revived with 50% HP, +25% ATK

[swift mango]

Might as well give them a straight 25% attack at this point.

[crystal flicker]

The death will proc Rosanna +36.54% burst gen

[swift mango]

Well, that makes the skill completely useless without Rossanna.

[crystal flicker]

That's why they're a pair

Devs seems like the idea of pair Nikke lmao

[swift mango]

Might as well go with.

Skill 1: Activate after firing 10 bullets.
Reduce the HP to 1. Then increase the ATK of the ally at the position 4 of the team by 1% for every 2% reduction for 15 seconds.

S2: When this unit HP is reduced to 0. Revive with +50% HP and +20% ATK.
Hold 1 charge at the start of battle and gain 1 charge every time you entering full burst.

Skill 3: Burst 3: Deal 1500% AtK to all enemy.
Gain 20% ATk for every other electric unit in the team.
Gain 20% AtK dmg for every other MG unit in the team.

[crystal flicker]

Make it reenter b1

[swift mango]

Then might as well crap Rossanna altogether.

[crystal flicker]

This kind of pseudo-treasure behavior only applicable for Pilgrim sadly

at least, we only have Scarlet with Trina for now

[swift mango]

Well, each of the unit skill only has 1 effect. Not 2+ effects like treasure units nowadays.

[crystal flicker]

With CA ongoing, 2.5 might be PvP able

Oh and Miranda for SW

[swift mango]

[crystal flicker]

Wonder whos next

The OG Pilgrim only left Harran, Isabel, Noah, and Rapunzel

[quick lake]

Isabel treasure surely. Other mid units in CN were buff, like Vesti. But Isabel in CN is still trash somehow

[swift mango]

Noah is easy. Just make a B3 wipe that gain AtK dmg and ATK when invincible.

[swift mango]

It just means Vesti more popular than Isabel.b

[quick lake]

Apparently CN side is managed by tencent. So kit changes/design all dictated by tencent

[swift mango]

But they changed it because Vesti being more popular.

[quick lake]

Idk

[swift mango]

No reason to buff units no one cares about.

[crystal flicker]

Nah, you know how CN player when they protest about something

SU surely don't want to deal with that

[swift mango]

Looking at legacy buff in Yu-Gi-Oh. Some archetypes remain relevance since the start of the game. Some Archetypes no one remembers anymore except the odd 10 people who play them super casually to lose.

[crystal flicker]

True dmg:

[slender mesa]

@tropic summit The guy I used so much resources to be able to beat, now used the April 1st gift items and grew enough in power to still win again.... At this point I am half thinking of giving up and half thinking to invest in the most aggressive team possible to cut through that Noah/Bisquit defense

[glacial hound]

even if you don't have noah, don't be scared

needed to put my own team in deficit so blanc gets biscuit invincibility

also don't link cindy with jackal kids

[shell hazel]

A true commander doesn't quit

[slender mesa]

I am just slowed down by the lack of doll upgrade resources

[unique wagon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1055439815476260894/1357591521204895794/NIKKE_2025-04-04_12-42-49.mp4?ex=67f0c321&is=67ef71a1&hm=69984bb0c2a02759e92539559aa4840abc93df155b3a8f28135ce695a4eb4ca4&

From Gatrix senpai

[shell hazel]

did you add a doll to Noah/Biscuit yet? your last image didn't have one

we all get the same doll material issues - I re-roll mine usually once to improve it a bit

[slender mesa]

Oh right, I should have done that instead of just trying to SR15 Jackal

[stuck hearth]

Next week imma be so cooked if i fight this whale off the bat

[slender mesa]

a few days ago I could just do practice runs for free in the beginer arena, was that a bug?

[unique wagon]

Looking for Rapipi B3 PvP Attack vids to be posted/showcased on Blabla (your name will be credited). Looking for at least (2). Against any team as long as it's not a landslide win. Preferred:

• Using Rapipi to intentionally slow down your team against Emilia, so Noah can block her or you can outlast her indomitability. Ideal Enemy: Blanc Biscu Emilia comp at 3 RL or longer.
• Using Rapipi to chainsaw Noah comp.

Tips: Use Blanc/Noah (for sustain) + RH (for buff) +/- HelmTr (for gen/buff) +/- Jackal (if needed)

[shell hazel]

rookie? you get 5 tries per day as normal and a while back we were all sent 10 free chips to do extra tries with

so maybe you didn't use your chips yet, and now you have

[slender mesa]

so this is what happened

I wish there were unrated practice options

[shell hazel]

we all have the same issue there as well

[covert lintel]

1.3m dmg

[sleek spade]

Friend I just pulled Trina~ where would you recommend using her?

[swift mango]

It's 4m/3

Because jack link.

[swift mango]

To hug a tree

[covert lintel]

oh really?
thats even more amazing

ig that emi can one shot opponent with 60lv difference too

[swift mango]

4m dmg is normal. Probably his Alt. My lv373 Scarlet already reaching that on Crit.

Miranda offer like 3 buff by herself for Emi.

[fathom rock]

Any clip rl slot, or mainly with scarlet in her nuke comps

[quick lake]

Miranda stonks

[covert lintel]

i'll build miranda after soda done

[sleek spade]

Would you swap Blanc for her? Or BSoda?

[swift mango]

We know how Crit is.

That XMaiden is mat doll. And enemy is 55 lv higher. No deficit though.

[covert lintel]

7m

[valid fern]

which defense better? cooking up my fifth CA team so I'm scraping bottom of the barrel here lol.

[unique wagon]

Both are good in their own respects

That team 1 gets fu- against 5 SG attackers

But its overall better against most enemies without brain

[wintry viper]

hi all, how do i beat the following teams?

[unique wagon]

So id go right one

[swift mango]

SG Noise + Wipe/Sr/healer

2RL Noah

2RL scar trina

[valid fern]

perhaps its time to invest into my own sg team.

[swift mango]

Do you even have Moran OL?

[wintry viper]

which SG Nikke's are good to invest in for the SG Noise team?

[swift mango]

I mean SG the Noise team.

[valid fern]

nope. not at the moment. but I do have the resources to.

[wintry viper]

okay gotcha

[unique wagon]

Risky

[swift mango]

You want to have LapT or a healer or a SR or a Wiper b3 in the mid to win the normal attack after Noise ded with their Blanc getting biscuit.

[unique wagon]

Blanc + Biscu can hold 10 secs

If no defense, he will slowly die

[swift mango]

That's why I said what I said.

[unique wagon]

SAnis Biscu lifesteal shenanigans stonks

[swift mango]

What nonsense are you saying now.

Without Noise they can't burst

[unique wagon]

SAnis Biscu Pepper BSoda Maiden

[swift mango]

It's fine I guess.

XMaiden don't deal much dmg tbh.. so just add another SG or lapT.

[unique wagon]

I never said XMaiden

Anyways LaplaceTr is just better

[swift mango]

[swift mango]

You could also just use Moran to hold the normal attack. And save Biscuit to other team.

[spiral onyx]

The only SGs worth investing into right now are SAnis and Pepper

MPrivaty if you don't have a better choice

That said, 5SG teams are a valid attack comp, but it also doesn't really need heavy investment

[valid fern]

Pepper

[covert lintel]

how about drake?

[spiral onyx]

She is decent as a passive buffer to SAnis/etc but she doesn't really need much investment

Treasuring her actually bricks her for usage with SAnis

[swift mango]

Xmaiden is better with biscuit anyway to counter scar+Trina +RH wipe.

[rich quail]

Should I not bother treasuring Drake if I want to use her in pvp?

[spiral onyx]

I'm not, cause I have her paired with SAnis

[rich quail]

Okay, I’ll probably treasure Viper instead

Thanks

[valid fern]

Viper treasure bricks her as a B2 unit

but its fine. most of the time you're not bursting with her anyways

[raven plover]

yea dont go full phase if you use her as b2

[rich quail]

Yeah that was the plan

Treasure but not past phase 2

[covert lintel]

how about paired drakeT with maidpriv?

drakeT can become last hitter if maidpriv can't one shot opponent team

[spiral onyx]

Drake buffs post burst so she doesn't benefit MPrivaty much

Noir is a better pick in that situation

And most people have an invested Noir for PvE anyways

[unique wagon]

Drake as Fire can run down unprotected Noah P1

[spiral onyx]

5 SGs can pretty much run down any unprotected P1

That's why you always gotta team build with protection

https://tenor.com/view/jungkook-bts-bangtan-boys-kpop-boy-group-gif-15129887

[unique wagon]

Drake gets up to 120% more damage by herself

You underestimate Elemental, Keripo

[covert lintel]

i mean not drake s1 but s2
she give thunder on lowest hp

[spiral onyx]

Sure, but I wouldn't recommend going out of your way to invest in any specific unit for elemental advantage

[unique wagon]

Although all SGs are niche, BSoda and Sugar are the most useful due to the number of unprotected Noise P1.

[swift mango]

I only see Drake treasure as a bit better for Normal attack team.... She is more for solo raid... That's why they added that increase Ammo bit to her kits to prevent ambushing her with ASS...

Hope Sugar treasure would make DrakeT more viable in arena....

[unique wagon]

The last time I used PrivM was last year and shes just a filler member of run-it-down SG team.

[spiral onyx]

The only unit I would recommend investing a bit into for elemental PvP purposes would be Sakura. All you need is lvl 4 Sakura burst and enough investment not to get CP gapped and you've got yourself an easy win against any Scalter and Rei2 teams you might encounter in CA

[unique wagon]

BSoda being Iron has much more usage because of how many Electric Nikke there is.

I wouldn't really use Rei in PvP.

[spiral onyx]

Attack speed is a wasted potential PvP meta

[unique wagon]

Sub-optimal wipe teams like PrivM and Rei can be countered easily.

[spiral onyx]

Imagine stacking attack speed to the point where your shotguns become machine guns

[unique wagon]

With stalls or some Moran.

[spiral onyx]

Too bad SGs are single target only

[unique wagon]

Scarlet, Cindy, Emilia, and Rapipi* (ATK only) are the only strong wipers that warrant caution.

[swift mango]

If only her burst was like Ein. Then she would be good. Otherwise, she is useless. @unique mountain has BSoda with 80% Ele and can't even kill Half HP Scarlet with Blanc buff. (or was it only taking half HP of Cindy? I don't remember much but anyway)

My bad for thinking she was like Ein at that time. But she is fkinh useless

[valid fern]

How about Scar/Trina/Rouge? Can that punch through a Moran? I have to put RH somewhere else

[unique wagon]

BSoda is only good for running down Noise and Moran. Well, and technically Sugar.

With up to 460% damage per shot before skill effects and crits.

[spiral onyx]

Upgraded Ein plz with defender stats. It's been 2 years already, the cleave meta is boring, when can we finally move to bruiser meta

[unique wagon]

Snake doesn't believe in elemental meta.

When literally Laplace is bonking Electric units.

[unique mountain]

Why am i catching strays

[spiral onyx]

I just don't think it's necessary to invest in units for attack purposes. Winning an attack is already so easy with no defender buff and only requiring 2/3 wins for SP Arena. So focus your limited resources on building a stronger defence instead

[swift mango]

Only one example of B.Soda burst being useless I know.

[unique wagon]

Nah. Defense is futile.

[unique mountain]

Stop , I'm already dead

[spiral onyx]

Champion Arena will be win count based. The people who don't know how to build strong defence teams will be giving out easy 0-5s to their opponents

[swift mango]

My bad.

[unique mountain]

First we mine , then we craft

[unique wagon]

If you want CA, you need to build Stall team, and that's no tolerance.

[unique mountain]

Nah I'm just playin

[unique wagon]

You need Nero and Moran for CA.

[near plank]

why you all ignoring the goat quiry

[swift mango]

I would have Nero built if my lv373 (1year1 month) F2P ass has the resources of a lv421 F2P. (1 year 4-5 month)

[unique wagon]

Shes good with Milk.

[near plank]

even a 541 f2p day 1 optimized doesnt have the resources

[swift mango]

You have but you just don't invest.

[near plank]

thats why shift up is FINALLY trying to fix the resources drought,
hopefully i can do some upgrades in pvp for a long time

[unique wagon]

Milk Nero Quiry specifically.

[spiral onyx]

I actually don't plan on running Nero for CA until we get another B1 who is anti AoE. The B2 slot is way too heavily contested with strong options

[near plank]

you have no idea even with day 1 resources optimized i still dont even have enough
books to invest in META PVE UNITS, let alone pvp

[unique wagon]

Milk Nero Quiry Mana and whatever

[near plank]

cat got powercrept

[unique wagon]

Cat who

[swift mango]

Well, that's your problem. I don't invest in solo raid. Only Arena and Campaign.

[unique wagon]

[spiral onyx]

This sounds like a personal planning issue

[unique wagon]

Nero Milk Quiry Mana HelmTr maybe idk altho

[near plank]

you think there is no resource problem in the game?

[spiral onyx]

There is

[near plank]

before it was fine cause a lot of units were skippable , but all the units in recent times are un skippable
and no skill resets were given

[spiral onyx]

That's why you have to plan out your resources

[unique wagon]

Sir ure talking to a whale with endless money

[near plank]

even with perfect planning, you will run out

i know who keripo is lol

[unique wagon]

As long as u have money, u will never out

[swift mango]

There is but you would barely have enough just focusing on one thing.

[unique wagon]

[near plank]

nah i now people in my union on who spend still lacking resources

[spiral onyx]

Some of the top SR players are day 1 F2Pers

[near plank]

actual not just my union entire omni

[swift mango]

And maybe some spare for halfassing other things.

[near plank]

whales complain about not getting enough

except for NISH

nish is the only exception

the biggest whale of nikke

[spiral onyx]

You just have to be intentional on what you focus on

[swift mango]

Ofc whale build everything so they don't have enough.

[near plank]

im intentional and im barely making it, no time for pvp units

it takes 1.5 months to make 10-10-10 unit

they release 3-5 units in that time frame

if the previous 10 units are meta

basically your already bricked

no ammount of planning will save you

[spiral onyx]

Right, that's why I mean by intentional. You either choose to invest into PvP or into PvE. As a F2P, you can't have both

[swift mango]

Because you need everything at 101010.

[unique wagon]

Introducing cope

[near plank]

no, most people do min investments

[unique mountain]

[valid fern]

now hopefully they give some bomb ass CA frames for all those SR frames I missed out bricking myself out of pve.

[near plank]

i have access to all of omnis sheets, no one is doing 10/10/10 all units

[unique wagon]

Oi its legit comp ok

[unique mountain]

[unique wagon]

Your 2nd burst is 2.5s faster letsgo

[near plank]

not even this guy

[unique mountain]

[unique wagon]

Can u test this meme comp @spiral onyx

[spiral onyx]

Oh yeah I remember playing around with something like that. It's garbage, it literally loses to any proper cleave team cause it has zero burst mitigation. There's no max HP buff or damage reduction buff

[near plank]

[unique mountain]

I have access to invasion, nekonyan altered and section sheets

[unique wagon]

[near plank]

some guy is claiming whales can afford everything

[spiral onyx]

That's what I was referring to earlier about Nero being a difficult B2 pick

[near plank]

when in fact its not the case at all,
basicalyl thats my point

[unique wagon]

Not everything has wipe Keripo

[spiral onyx]

She can solo tank... But she offers zero team survivability benefit

[near plank]

are you gonna make CA guide? @spiral onyx

[swift mango]

This loses to a 4rl p1 defender biscuited.

[unique wagon]

She kinda does

Whole team gives heal so

[near plank]

its who applied the recovery effect

meaning the healer only

unless the entire team heals?

[unique wagon]

Milk, Mana, Helm, and Quiry all heal

[swift mango]

How do you deal DMG?

[near plank]

stall team doesnt need to do damage to win

[unique wagon]

You just outsustain . No Helm bursts in 2nd rot

[near plank]

its a possible angle but i dont hink its viable

i heard you can ban teams

5 teams ban 2?

[spiral onyx]

[swift mango]

Just Cindy it. And you lose the 2 water units. Thus can't burst anymore.

Maybe even Mana will die too.

[near plank]

or that was a meme

[unique wagon]

Im not so sure with that 14% damage reduc from Nero + Tempering+ SR 15 doll tho esp the ones at the bottom

[spiral onyx]

No, we've already given people more than enough resources to learn how to team build

[near plank]

only the 1% of even pvp mains can do this lol

[unique wagon]

You need buffers to make them work and u dont have all the buffers

[spiral onyx]

We're not here to spoon feed people

[covert lintel]

only centi

[unique wagon]

Snake will

[near plank]

@blissful willow

[spiral onyx]

But people still ask to be spoon fed instead of reading the existing guides and resources that people put together

[unique wagon]

Although he sucks at pvp

[near plank]

i know snake but

[unique wagon]

Too slow

You need HelmTr there not Rapu/Noise. Remove one.

[near plank]

im aware of the current guides

but people are still asking for detailed information
i guess its not possible cause the mode isnt even out yet lol

people are asking me too but i cant LINK anything

to make it easy for me

[unique wagon]

There is no one here qualified enough to write pvp guide imo. Keripo is too high level that his guides are overengineered toward higher syncs.

Not exactly wrong but inapplicable

[near plank]

nikke pvp content creator pool is kinda dry

[spiral onyx]

The red and orange ones can with double buffers. The rest can't. That's why Maiden and MPrivaty have dropped off. Also why I'm confused why people keep wanting to build BSoda burst when she's literally the same level as Harran in terms of burst damage

[unique mountain]

Me 🙋

[swift mango]

@tropic summit are you prepared to cook CA team 30+ times a day?

[unique wagon]

Cus this game is pve oriented

[near plank]

rip zik

[unique wagon]

The only way SU can prevent this is by allowing different skill investments for pve and pvp

[unique mountain]

You'd better not do it

[spiral onyx]

Rarely have I actually seen someone ask a good question that isn't covered by our many guides

[near plank]

from the screenshots i think its 400 sync locked

[spiral onyx]

When they do though, I happily answer

[near plank]

but doll/core/skill locked still

[swift mango]

I would eep

[unique wagon]

Against this? Doubt. With full Tempering?

[spiral onyx]

But 99% of the questions are dumb stuff like "how do I counter Noah?"

[near plank]

this is true, i guess they some people just want to read insights

welp we have 5 days left and lets see how it goes

[unique mountain]

When i ask questions i just get ghosted cause the questions I ask are hard

[covert lintel]

will rumani work?

[unique wagon]

I still need someone test this (definitely not with these cubes)

[unique wagon]

As long as its 2 RL

[pale knoll]

[near plank]

it can work but its not foolproof

[unique wagon]

Its with tertiary units and will throw lots of people off

Ok not cheap

[near plank]

to get that team to work
i DOUBT that its cheap

also taking away helm might be more of a detriment to me

[unique wagon]

Its 100% NOT cheap

[unique wagon]

I wanted to make a pvp vid about this but not today

[swift mango]

17% CS milk treasure is like the most useless investment you could make.

Even for arena

[unique wagon]

Sir you burst 2nd rotation 2.5s faster

[spiral onyx]

You don't need one, you can just do the math here. At 400 synchro, your Helm and Mana as attackers will have 2.8m HP. Apply 17% cube and 9% tempering and that's about 3.8m eHP. All the reds and oranges can deal more than that when buffed

[unique wagon]

Nero 14%

[spiral onyx]

Oops quoted wrong message

[unique wagon]

Doll is 14%

Cube is 9%? Im sure its 7% something

[spiral onyx]

Sorry 17% doll 9% cube

[unique wagon]

Ok 26% + 14% = 40%

[spiral onyx]

At max. I'm just using numbers I see on the sites, not in game

[unique wagon]

And Mana also revives someone so

[spiral onyx]

But I actually do have a video for this that I posted earlier

[swift mango]

Just enough for Blanc to reduce it to 5%.

[unique wagon]

We domt talk aboit Bla-

[spiral onyx]

@unique wagon bruh

I literally ran these comps for you

2 months ago

Kisenix having a Liter moment

[unique wagon]

Thats different cus u complained about Moran joining Biscuit so I made this one... without Moran.

[swift mango]

Pretty sure I could beat your team with

Crown+Naga+Cindy+Biscuit+Rapu.

[spiral onyx]

Yeah but the end result was the same. It wasn't strong enough

It lost to some of the stronger comps

And would eventually lose to some of the weaker comps due to lack of damage

[unique wagon]

As if you can defend your team against all stronger comps

[unique wagon]

Actually no.

[spiral onyx]

I ran it against my CA prep test matrix and it won against 3 of the 9 teams

[unique wagon]

Crown doesnt buff Cindy's wipe. Literally no one buffs her wipe there. Are u dumb

[spiral onyx]

I just didn't share that publicly lol

[swift mango]

But yes, all SR units except, Biscuit too.

[swift mango]

Crown buff Cindy wipe though. How doesn't she.

[unique wagon]

Might as well run something else at that point

[swift mango]

Why run something else and waste Clip RL when you could best it with a 6rl team?

[spiral onyx]

WTF is a 6RL team lmao

5 MGs?

[swift mango]

That's like 10 RL team.

[unique wagon]

U probably wouldnt even wipe the comp

Unless u use Noise

[swift mango]

Just need to wipe, the 2 water unit and maybe Mana.

[unique wagon]

AND u are wasting Biscuit here blud

[spiral onyx]

If CA is not synchro locked, I might troll during the preliminaries and literally run 5 MG teams lol

[swift mango]

Yeah but you waste HelmT here as well.

[unique wagon]

I can form 4 other teams without her

[swift mango]

I can form 5 other team without biscuit.

[unique wagon]

And Cindy and Rapu/Noise

[swift mango]

Especially with all the clip RL intact.

[unique wagon]

[swift mango]

You don't even need Rapu, you could even use any B1 or DKW.

[unique wagon]

U wouldnt be able to wipe

Its 40% damage reduc

[spiral onyx]

The weirdest thing is that I can't fit Rapunzel into any of my CA team comps. She's not a burst unit and not a battery and so she doesn't play a critical/necessary role in any team. She's just a very very strong non burst support, but somehow we've recently gotten enough burst battery units that none of my teams have any flex slots left anymore

[swift mango]

Crown already offer 50% AtK dmg with biscuit "heal"

[unique wagon]

[valid fern]

Just wait for Rapu's Treasure: "Adult Magazine"

[unique wagon]

Might not be enough

[swift mango]

Plus 40%+ Ele on cindy. Many people have her 80% Ele for raid.

Your 2 water won't live.

[spiral onyx]

[covert lintel]

i still use rapun to be a backup b1 because noise sometime died due to lap+

[swift mango]

And DKW being fire hitting P5 Mana as well.

[spiral onyx]

Tbh though, if any Pilgrim needs a treasure, it's Isabel

[swift mango]

Since you don't want rapu

[unique wagon]

Thats not gonna do anything blud

[spiral onyx]

Treasured Harran would be good too, bring her back to glory

[unique wagon]

[swift mango]

Just soften her enough for Cindy to hit. And DKW also offer 8% AtK dmg since it's a slower than 5rl team. Plus her burst 3 another 15% of her AtK ofc...

[whole pawn]

it seems like 2.4 k gems is beyond possible

[unique wagon]

SOFTEN AGAINST ENEMY WITH 4 HEALERS?

[swift mango]

The last hit and the burst before Cindy hit won't be healed in time.

[unique wagon]

Let me fix the team

Now Helm burst first

[swift mango]

And maybe hit p2 Naga.

[covert lintel]

nihilister too right now it's so weak but take about 6months to get

[unique wagon]

Doubt

What now u burst at 10 RL?

[spiral onyx]

I think the devs forget about rehab units all together

[unique wagon]

Theu abandoned it theu said that

[spiral onyx]

Wait really?