pvp-arena

[brittle hill]

wait im using that though

The sacc would be Bunny soda (Bunny soda, Mast, Viper treasure 2, Rosanna, and Noir)

Mast does something here im pretty sure

I thought of using Nero but the whole point is to get bunny soda to die

[tropic summit]

viper for suiciding asap, especially against scarlet or elec code (water code SG, shoots very early when arena match starts)

mast gives crit buff on entering battle, very good for rosanna crits

[swift mango]

I wonder if I should Sr15 my ReiT first or go for Miranda Treasure.

I may have permanent account dmg because I didn't pull for core+ for ReiT.

[white compass]

It's Laplace day. Laplap fav item get

What do ppl have her skill lvls at for pvp?

[brittle hill]

I think 4/10/10 she's really good for tower too and solo/union raid

[swift mango]

For Arena 444 is fine. Or 4104.

[tropic summit]

4/7/7 may be good enough already

[swift mango]

Her s3 is very useless for Arena.

You won't do much dmg with it unless you are a power gap whale.

For example:

XMaiden s3lv4 is much better at nuking Jackal link than LapT s3lv10.

[brittle hill]

more elemental damage on iron = more damage against electric units. That makes her S2 even more deadly

though getting CS lines is hard enough

[white compass]

Guess I'll 474 for now.

What does Lap want for cube? Next question who do I give my 4 quantum cube slots to if she gets quantum too lol

[tropic summit]

jackal, centi, trina, rumani are your go to mostly for quantum

[swift mango]

My LapT 51010 could only dust off during Iron weak stage.

[tropic summit]

as for laplace, she can run adjutant/resil/bastion/quantum based on situation

in general you want resil/bastion on her as offburst splash damage dealer

if needing to hit 17%CS threshold, adjutant can help

if needing to hit burst gen threshold, quantum can help

[swift mango]

If needing to adjust Blanc target, Vigor can help.

If needing to tank P5 SG, both Vigor and Tempering can help.

Bastion and Resilience pretty much just use the higher level one.

Unprotected p1 that can die to make her team 2rl.

If high CP could also try Jackal Sacc from Merry.

Merry has some very nice team, just not active in this chat enough to see his videos. I think he is active in Comcord.

Could check his video there I guess.

[crystal flicker]

So the point of Mast Rossa is to buff RossaNuke

[swift mango]

By Jackal sacc I mean lv1 jackal to ded. 100% since she is linked and opponent can't avoid hitting p1 or 5.

[crystal flicker]

Seems like a waste of link

[swift mango]

She could even ded to SG or Scarlet normal attack before first RL hit.

[tropic summit]

only ppl with massive CP can afford wasting jackal that way don't worry

[tropic summit]

yep, betting on the ross crit to kill 2 attackers or oneshot p1 if less to no attacker

[swift mango]

It's the most versatile sacc around. No trick to avoid feeding the sacc.

But I won't be able to do it for now.

[crystal flicker]

I'll bring her to investment line then

Thanks for the tips!

I forgot to level her skill

[tropic summit]

well sacc is gonna be fun until you learn it, lots of easy mistakes

[minor dawn]

Hello there. I've been meaning to change my pvp lineup since it's becoming more competitive with champion coming soon. I'll drop my Nikkes in a bit.

[tropic summit]

all yours ima enter the world of dreams

[eager mountain]

rail keep staying up and speedrunning for champion red

[tropic summit]

i was waiting for that mf to go to sleep, assuming he sleeps

[eager mountain]

[tropic summit]

if he does like yesterday, i should've ch1 points for the next 4 hours

also protects me from the chinese triad below ch4

as none of them can beat the 3 top whels

[umbral crown]

[tropic summit]

literally surfing on the whels

[eager mountain]

[umbral crown]

https://tenor.com/view/cute-summer-nature-water-beach-gif-16832465422523285223

[minor dawn]

Hello. I need some tips for pvp, since champion is making everyone competitive. These are the ones in synchro now. Currently building up Emilia, and trying my luck in standard for rumani and trina

[robust blaze]

should we get meta pvp units sr5 dolls?

[minor dawn]

I believe so, increases survivability

[robust blaze]

which units are actually worth sr5 though? im assuming biscuit, jackal, and noah for sure.

[eager mountain]

Biscuit doesn’t really need it

Just whoever that’s gonna take dmg

[minor dawn]

your main dps/nukers

[eager mountain]

Or dps

[robust blaze]

ah well most dps are also functional for pve so i have dolls on them

[minor dawn]

i'd go for blanc as well since it increases her defence

[umbral crown]

[stone iris]

Could I get some help in sp arena? Im still working on Trina and rumani

[eager mountain]

unless u put her p2 and she’s gonna die before 2nd invuln anyway even with sr15

[umbral crown]

But mine is SR15

[eager mountain]

tho might live just long enough to give Noah 2nd invuln

If it’s def then they can just kill her with la+ before Noah even bursts

[umbral crown]

has to be a good lap+

[crystal flicker]

Champion, Diamond, Platinum, Gold, Silver, Bronze. Long ago, the six PvP ranks lived together in harmony. Then, everything changed when the Champion Arena attacked. Only the Masterchef, master of #pvp-arena , could stop them, but when the world needed them most, they're vanished.

[umbral crown]

[minor dawn]

Champion Arena threw everyone nto competitive mode, save for the singular leviathan in my bracket. Dude's been chilling since god knows when

[crystal flicker]

I guess for now just use 2RL ScarJackal, 2RL Cindy, and SAnis, at least that's what I use lol

It's crazy WAsuka P1 survived due to Noah's taunt lmao

[robust blaze]

what's the 2RL scar jackal team and the 2RL cindy team? are these teams quite definitive?

[onyx scaffold]

trina centi jackal for scar
noah helm rumani for cindy

[robust blaze]

does helm need lv10 skill 1 for this to work?

[crystal flicker]

It's pretty generic team for defense

[onyx scaffold]

tbh i have no idea. i make it 10 instantly

[crystal flicker]

Like his defense, Cindy and Scarlet are 2RL, so you need to tank their Nuke and launch counter attack after that

[stone iris]

so if i shift out centi for rapunzel on team3 i can potentially out sustain the initial burst? except my burst gen there would be lacking on team3

[crystal flicker]

I'm thinking about Rossanna to instant Emi and RH instead, then you can run Emilia Blanc to deal with Cindy

or even running Cindy comp against Scarlet, since timed Noah should be able to tank the Nuke and Cindy will wipe the rest

[stone iris]

last time I tried that scarlett bursted first

[crystal flicker]

Yeah 2RL Cindy

[crystal flicker]

Your current team is 3RL Cindy, Noah buff proc just after Scarlet burst

[stone iris]

i can swap noise out for rosanna in t3 and put helm instead of centi

would that be feasible?

[crystal flicker]

Tbh, I feel like fighting Scarlet with 2RL Cindy is wiser

[stone iris]

what is the 2RL cindy team?

[minor dawn]

My current setup, though I', not confident in it's defensiveness

[crystal flicker]

Noah Centi Cindy HelmT Noise, with this Noah invuln should proc just before Scarlet's burst

[crystal flicker]

You better using SAnis for T3 isntead of ScarBS

She can be countered easily

[minor dawn]

Should I use emilia for the scarlet team though... anis isn't cutting it for survivability

until I get trina

[stone iris]

oo it works

[crystal flicker]

Anis in T3 works wonder due to Biscuit invuln

[stone iris]

How should i structure my defensive teams for SP arena and rookie arena?

[swift mango]

Defending on who you put into it but lv7 usually enough

But you would need Quantum on Rumani and another member of your team in Rumani+biscuit case.

Rapunzel+Centi may not need so

[crystal flicker]

Are the current defense meta still 2RL Scarlet 2RL Cindy and 3RL SAnis?

Though some ppl said Scarlet Trina is worst than Scarlet Blanc in defense

[swift mango]

I don't use no S.Anis but you could use her.

[bleak shale]

Scar Trina is basically 1 trick pony

You nuke or u die

Scar Blanc rh has its own issues now that teams can be so fast

[swift mango]

That's why you put Soda in

[bleak shale]

But pretty resistant since scar can still wipe potential with double buff

[bleak shale]

Bay

[swift mango]

The things about Scar Blanc is that Blanc doesn't need scar.

[crystal flicker]

The only advantage for Scarlet Blanc is there's possibility for Scarlet to win 1v5 with Indom

[bleak shale]

I mean every team has trade offs

[bleak shale]

That's the difference between requiring both Noah and biscuit vs just Noah tho

For example

[crystal flicker]

SAnis team can hardly kill stall without RH

So RH pretty much reserved for 3rd team, whether for SAnis or Emi

Unless you're using unique comp

[swift mango]

Yeah, but Scar Trina open the slot of Blanc in another while also come with a threatening 2rl.

No need to tunnel vision to lock Blanc to be Scarlet's b**ch

[bleak shale]

An option =/= tunnel vision tho

Like I said both teams have their own issues

[swift mango]

Trina hardly have another better option than Scarlet. It no brainier option with this force feed release of Trina.

[coarse lake]

I have doubts on trina scar viability in the face of a 2rl noise comp

[swift mango]

For Noise just add RH. If you can't beat it then you are over invested or lv pressed.

If they are attacking scarlet with Tank they risk Gacha Scarlet Crit. Good luck to them.

[coarse lake]

if you add rh now it's any 2rl noah comp

[swift mango]

It's not about counter, any team can be counter anyway. You only have one Noah.

Scarlet Blanc could be counter by Noise+Rapu stall as well with enough investment.

[minor dawn]

gone were the days where the strongest teams includes Privaty/Emma

[bleak shale]

Imo Emma was always over rated

[minor dawn]

I wonder if 2B s still viable

[swift mango]

Noise stalling whole team and makes Snow white viable was peak arena I didn't have the change to experience.

[minor dawn]

noise becoming invulnerable was a nightmare before the pacth

patch*

[swift mango]

Imagine Soda hitting both Bay and Noah in the same team.

[crystal flicker]

So, probably:
Scarlet Blanc RH Flex Jackal
Noah Centi Cindy HelmT Noise
Poli Biscuit Rapunzel SAnis Anis

[unique mountain]

Poli in 2025 is crazy

[glacial hound]

[crystal flicker]

Only until his Trina is done though

[crystal flicker]

Are you beating that T1?

[stone iris]

I cant maintain my position

[crystal flicker]

That just average pvp experience

Can use Rosanna somewhere to restrict ScarJack, Cindy comp can restrict Noah/Blanc usage, etc

It really depend on your bracket player

[swift mango]

35% CP gap can restrict winning.

[stone iris]

i'd rather not get into a whale war

[crystal flicker]

You can consult to Rail once he back on

But my choice for defense is your enemy's team

Now that I think of it, your enemy's might watching this channel

[swift mango]

I don't have poli in 2025.

[swift mango]

Biscuit need it if you put her into p2.

[eager mountain]

as explained how suicidal its right after

[swift mango]

Sometime you want biscuit there instead of you lone burst 1 just so you can even burst.

[eager mountain]

yes, and too specific for me to level up her doll

[raven plover]

my friend has bracket with 3 people on top 10 with sr15 biscuit

[swift mango]

[swift mango]

Biscuit p3 can die to Emi too. But rather she ded than SBS or other dps.

[minor dawn]

well, until I get Trina (pray for rng luck), the main goal is to level up to put a cp gap. 6 more levels for the cp jump

[eager mountain]

Should live either before casting 2nd invuln even if emi not bursting, or emi simply bursts

[bleak shale]

i mean u only need 1 of the 2 and u still block and nuke and basically win

preferably not noah cuz bay doesnt taunt

[coarse lake]

just noise it, not that hard

or have a super beefy dps

[bleak shale]

1trick pony, basically if u survive the nuke its done

[swift mango]

If you are willing to play the Gacha just to win against soda that is.

[swift mango]

Assuming your 2rl have more CS than enemies 2rl so Soda doesn't burst before Noise and stun her.

Then you will have to Gacha Scarlet Crit as well before winning.

[coarse lake]

you need a lot of cs for that

limited tests, but 8% min doesn't seem to be enough

[swift mango]

Just 2% more than you do Overall would be enough.

[coarse lake]

it's not enough

there is enough of a delay between cast and activation, soda's activation needs to be faster than noise's cast

[swift mango]

Just ask delusion for his CS of all his units to see how he stun his enemies 2rl Rossana then.

[unique mountain]

Reply to me on section

[coarse lake]

his test vs enemy soda wasn't fast enough

8% min on all

@keen vapor did you do the rosa test yet

[swift mango]

You don't need Soda vs soda though, it's soda vs Noise or Rossana.

[keen vapor]

Didn't I pinged you earlier? You were online at the moment

[coarse lake]

soda wasn't fast enough to stun noise

[coarse lake]

do you have vid?

[keen vapor]

Eon, you have amnesia?

[coarse lake]

wdym

oh

[keen vapor]

It's right there, with spoiler tag but there

[coarse lake]

oh yeah I saw it

I... forgot

well noise is fast enough both times anyway

[swift mango]

She need to stun Noise after she burst. Not, "not stunning Noise at all" that's just RNG.

[coarse lake]

stunning noise after noise bursts does nothing

and there is no rng in the tests, noise is the only taunter

[swift mango]

That's how you could say it's not fast enough

Bruh

[coarse lake]

noise always gets the heal proc out despite stunned at approx same time

[keen vapor]

So you have amnesia

[swift mango]

That mean she was able to burst

[keen vapor]

Yes

[coarse lake]

which makes it a viable counter

pretty easy to live the nuke at that point

[swift mango]

Using Noise against Scar Trina is bad idea anyway, one crit and you lose.

Ofc Idk the CS of both side. So it's not proving anything.

[keen vapor]

@umbral crown I think I successfully hoarded till nikke 2

[keen vapor]

You guys know mine

[swift mango]

Both side.

And all your SR RL need above 10% CS for it you be counted as 2rl with 10% CS faster for example

If even 1 of your SR RL has 0% CS it doesn't mean anything.

Also, you need to take onto account missing bullet from Scarlet so can't be exactly 100% at 2rl unless has jackal feed.

[warped path]

The guy who invests in pvp vs the guy with 60 levels more than you and a credit card ready for syncs.

more than 8k gems and the dude still spends.

honestly speaking: i have to change my strategy

[mystic wind]

need advice to beat this

[warped path]

invest in sr anis

[glacial hound]

bro thats crazy

absolutely nuts

[warped path]

theres even more

[mystic wind]

mine 10-10-9

[warped path]

i just captured only what the log allowed me to.

[glacial hound]

[warped path]

beliebe me

[mystic wind]

oops i thought it's sanis

[glacial hound]

[warped path]

the dude used the same strategy 3 times already

i get a powerspike: he buys lvls

but now that i got a difference of 60 levels and i still beat him he must be really insane

so i decided to annoy him a little.... just a little

he is so burn out that has been around 1.5 days already and he is probably in despair

[glacial hound]

your team 1 vs their team 2, your team 2 vs their team 3

[warped path]

not everyone with 60 synchros less can beat you

[glacial hound]

oh wait actually t1 might be slow

[warped path]

just wanted to share this because in the next pvp is going to be decisive the fact of a fixed sync or not

[glacial hound]

his team 3 is also quite a bit higher than ur team 2

[warped path]

the defenses of this dude are terrible: he even uses bay

[glacial hound]

damn bay slander

[mystic wind]

that's why I need advice

[glacial hound]

should post ur roster

[warped path]

look.

[mystic wind]

my box

[warped path]

do yo uwant to be better in pvp? get 15% cs or more in each rocket launcher nikke, full them or at least have them ol +4/4/4/4 skills 7/7/7 doll sr +5

[glacial hound]

thats... the very expensive way

[warped path]

its not meant to be expensive

it means that you need to do it slowly and with time

i started the first week of the game

not exactly the first day

[glacial hound]

i thnk he can get a lot better results by not putting sanis against scarlet

[warped path]

and it takes years

[warped path]

satoichi instakills sanis

60% of the time

[glacial hound]

yea, before he puts all his investments into pvp he can learn the mechanics first and decide if its his thing

[umbral crown]

[mystic wind]

all my pvp nikke full overload and minimum 4-4-4 with cs stat on rl but not everyone have 15%

[warped path]

for the moment my best advise for pvp is: build jackal,anis,centi,trina and rumani

also build helm with treasure with s1 and s2 +10

[mystic wind]

my helm also treasured and lvl 10 skill

[warped path]

try to get charge speed in all snipers/rocket launchers you are using... otherwise use 18 burst gen shotguns

[mystic wind]

laplace and drake with treasure

[warped path]

with a quantum cube that makes it 18.9

if the cube has the effect lvl 3.

laplace and drake with treasure are mid.

laplace hits a punch yes but while you invest in laplace you already could have your helm making serious burst charge

[umbral crown]

[warped path]

you need to be fast, have scarlet, cindy and other units.

optional: if you dont have scarlet... use harran but its quite weak.

[glacial hound]

vs team 2

[glacial hound]

vs team 3

[warped path]

harran has a cheese and thats it.

[mystic wind]

thx mate

[warped path]

im pretty dissapointed by the fact we wont have a 5 team vs 5 team pvp

because i was prepared already

[glacial hound]

harran

[warped path]

meaning that my harran and other units are just there doing nothing.

btw. Harran and isabel need a treasure asap.

🗿

[warped path]

you have emilia. Thats exelent.

[swift mango]

It's the other way around actually

[warped path]

those who didnt got it are cooked in pvp.

[warped path]

wdym?

[glacial hound]

oh it was so far down i didn't even see lmao

hmm

[warped path]

if you have emilia she is quite good for a strategic cheese.

but you need to udnerstand quite the eye of burst gen in team comps.

too much in a noah vs noah and you miss

too less and you can be wiped.

leaving aside that info... i really want to see a championship arena with lvl 400 fixed sync and no recycling

[strong hull]

@swift mango blood-kun need backup

[swift mango]

It's no common that someone 60 lv lower than you can beat you. If he can beat you when 60 level lower than you, your arena investment should be bad and he is pure Arena investment.

[warped path]

no no its the opossite im sync 504

he is around 562.

Im project.

https://tenor.com/view/overwatch-ramattra-gif-27161303

And im going to make them doro.

[swift mango]

That's mean his Arena investment would be very bad.

[warped path]

not only that.... bro i swear he has terrible defense team comps.... sometimes he doesnt even know what to do. using bay and crown in arena... wtf?

[glacial hound]

hope i didn't grief you, if blanc indom the wrong target then you may lose, didn't see that you had noah, i think noah would be more stable instead of blanc

[warped path]

well guys... its been good to share this story with all of you... i hope you guys feel a little better because im having quite the time on this bracket.

[valid fern]

is Laplace the only RL who doesnt have travel time?

[warped path]

tell Shift Up that im going to nuke them if they dont change me of bracket.

[glacial hound]

bro slandering bay

[warped path]

it doesnt matter too much

[swift mango]

Bay is good enough in Arena. Crown is good when attacking if you know what you are doing.

Idk if I had to use Crown in CA or not. I shall know when the time comes.

[warped path]

what matters is the charge speed.

[swift mango]

[mystic wind]

so change to noah instead?

[warped path]

bay is good for a 4th team possibly... probably a 5th

[glacial hound]

yea

[swift mango]

[warped path]

the third team is weak. i could use sanis and in exchange for sr anis i could use pepper/naga or drake for more damage.

but as you can imagine those teams are insane because they are too fast.

i could even leave emilia and use bscarlet as well and have a fast wipeout comp

the problem is: bscarlet is weak to damage sharing.

[glacial hound]

isn't helm overkill on burst gen for team 2, and cindy p2

[swift mango]

For Emi in Def, being fast doesn't mean anything.

2RL Emi can be beaten by 4RL team anyway.

[warped path]

thanks to helm there i can use redhood to get more atk

[glacial hound]

even if use centi, guarantee 2RL

[warped path]

my og scarlet team is the most powerfull one since i can destroy 1 single team with 25% more cp

[valid fern]

not having rocket travel time is like a free 15 frame advantage. So yes, it does matter when you're not swimming in rocks.

[warped path]

👍

[warped path]

you never have enough rocks...

beliebe me.

[warped path]

15 frames are half a second

pvp is fixed at 30

now... sniper bullets are instant?

[glacial hound]

travel time is not half a second, theres no way

[swift mango]

This is good Arena investment, higher CP than my Union leader of similar level.

[warped path]

okay... then how much? a quarter?

[valid fern]

15 frames in the context of 60fps

[quick lake]

source of this?

[glacial hound]

taiwanese forum

[warped path]

and im still feeling miserable.

lets all pray that the next arena comes with fixed sync

if that happens: vote for me because im going to take some revenge

[coarse lake]

fixed sync and no cp diff

[quick lake]

Hmm pretty interesting. First time im seeing the exact timings. For RL, JP pvpers mentioned that delayed was roughly 0.216-0.25.

Projectile travel time is also decently significant

[glacial hound]

i don't think this one includes travel time actually

[swift mango]

You don't need it for SpA with current RL economy. Don't worry. If you wanted CS, just 2-3 units for the 3rd team would be enough.

[glacial hound]

im not a millionaire swimming in rocks so i won't be rolling for CS in the near future lmao

[swift mango]

CP padding is still the more important thing when dealing with whale.

[coarse lake]

just roll for cs for helmt

[quick lake]

Usually travel time is negligible in most cases

[coarse lake]

and emi, units after that are whatever tbh

[glacial hound]

i recall a convo about helm being the final shot needed for burst is faster than other RL because sniper is also instant

[swift mango]

Then use her in 2RL team anyway.

[glacial hound]

though im not sure how much advantage that gives

[coarse lake]

for champ most of my setups have emi and cs letting their teams go 0.5rl faster

[coarse lake]

at least like 2% cs advantage

[glacial hound]

2% cs is like 20ms, travel time seems longer than that

probably can estimate just from video recording

[quick lake]

I think u’re right. I didnt notice this until u mentioned

[swift mango]

Well, most of my RL has >=12% CS enough to be usable when needed but CP padding is still more important.

[glacial hound]

yea seems like 0.2-0.25 seconds to me

you can cp pad with black cs line

[swift mango]

CS help reduce the timing every RL. While flying time only reduce the last timing of the last round of bullet fire before burst.

Because even with faster bullet speed the firing animation of SR still delayed like RL all the same.

[glacial hound]

if you can reduce 0.2 seconds, thats essentially 6.6% CS for 3RL

doesn't seem insignificant

[swift mango]

Not really. If you check 0% CS on SR and RL, they fire same time every RL round. Only the bullet hit faster. So it only affect the last round of bullet before bursting.

[coarse lake]

that's the same as cs

nvm

[swift mango]

CS make you fire faster.

[coarse lake]

it's still significant due to you only firing like 3 shots max normally

[swift mango]

[glacial hound]

im not sure what the delay for SR is, but it seems like from firing to hitting enemy takes 0.2-0.25 seconds for RL

SR and laplace look basically instant

i think that was the original idea

SG seems instant too

so the result is that 5SG is a lot closer to 2RL than you may think

[swift mango]

There is still travel time especially for SG, you could see the SG bullet flying mid air if you play at slomo and pause at the right time. Idk how much SR traveling time be, 0 or 0.1 sec.... but definitely faster than SG I think.

[glacial hound]

[quick lake]

Im surprised that 4SG is actually much later than 2RL

[glacial hound]

some nerd probably did this already

[glacial hound]

wait rly?

[valid fern]

i thought sg was instant

[glacial hound]

a lot faster than RL for sure

[coarse lake]

pretty sure it's instant

[glacial hound]

but not sure if really can take advantage of this

[coarse lake]

but they do leave visual effects

[quick lake]

oh, i saw wrongly oops. I thought the first 0.4 was a delay

[dry compass]

Oh you're project? Hello

[warped path]

hello there.

[warped path]

and who are you? are you in my bracket?

posts dominant doro stare

[onyx scaffold]

my scarlet doesn't have full hp. is it trina thing?

[valid fern]

hm yeah SG is definitely instant.

[dry compass]

It's jayfresh I only ever intermittently lurk and happened to see you post that

[coarse lake]

obvious way to tell is they never miss

anything that cannot whiff in pvp has no travel time

[crystal flicker]

So travel time is all the same?

[coarse lake]

only rls should have travel time

rest are instant

[crystal flicker]

Even MG?

[coarse lake]

yes

[crystal flicker]

So that's why

[coarse lake]

it's just the same as in pve

[crystal flicker]

based on image above, I assume 0.35 is travel time, 1s is reload animation

1RL is 42frame

[glacial hound]

i think the 0.3s is the shooting animation, it takes a bit before they start charging again

[mystic wind]

this works and i changed blanc into noah

[warped path]

Then you are a witness.

[warped path]

dont worry: you clearly are not a clown compared to fcx. Im not interested in your position.

[tropic summit]

he actually sleeps

a whole 6hrs even!

although now he's gonna check every 20 minutes

[eager mountain]

but u didnt even sleep for 6 whole hour

[tropic summit]

i just woke up indeed

[eager mountain]

well the c3 gave up again after another accidential snipe (last time was saccidential, this time is intentional)
so im chilling

for now

[tropic summit]

the quiet before the storm

[eager mountain]

last season was like that, the quiet before they announced CA

and then we mald for 2 days just for it to be nexts season

[coarse lake]

anyone got someone with a indom sbs def

[tropic summit]

i ran her for quite some time, 2RL or 3RL

or you mean an opponent to test something against them?

[coarse lake]

opponent with the indom sbs

[eager mountain]

its rare or nonexist in mine now

[coarse lake]

or any sbs comp that isn't noah biscuit I suppose

[tropic summit]

yeah my rookie doesn't have it and my whales are running weird teams

[coarse lake]

even a sanis comp will do

non-noah biscuit sanis comp

[dry compass]

there's this

[coarse lake]

hmm that one's too fast unfortunately

[glacial hound]

someone said cp deficit

[tropic summit]

wows

[dry compass]

good god

[coarse lake]

used a cp diff setup for that t1, just for good measure

y'know, in case someone decides to only whale like $20k instead of $25k

[warped path]

bro can fight with the R nikkes and still win...

[crystal flicker]

Yes, this is CP deficit
Yes, Cindy survived and launch Ultimate

[smoky moat]

what is the counter to the scarlet, jackal, blanc, RH defence meta?

lately i hit refresh again and again looking for the easy teams to bully and they arent coming up

so its looking like i have to actually learn how to counter this one defence team...

[crystal flicker]

Rosanna, 2RL Comp

[atomic wolf]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/752259147981914172.webp?size=48&name=KiryuStare

https://tenor.com/view/majima-eye-oh-rah-yakuza-like-a-dragon-goro-gif-1892865671945470883

the gift of life

[tropic summit]

ultra stall teams

[atomic wolf]

HE GAVE UP

[tropic summit]

3 examples here, the helm teams are generally safer

[atomic wolf]

XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

HE IS ACTUALLY GIVING UP

he'll probably try more tomorrow but like this is enough to deal mental damage to him

dude is paying THAT much to lose to a crackhead f2p player

unironically should've spent on therapy instead of spending on video games

[smoky moat]

hmm, i guess i need to put noah back into the synchro

[tropic summit]

[atomic wolf]

@tropic summit

[tropic summit]

why was she out of syncro

[atomic wolf]

anything i should to do reinforce my team other than padding

[shell hazel]

Noah should never leave the synchro

[smoky moat]

i was focused on clearing main story for a long time

[tropic summit]

if it's working don't change it, invest on the as-is

[atomic wolf]

yeah so now i just have to OL the rest

[smoky moat]

only now looking at how to improve in pvp

[atomic wolf]

which is biscuit and rumani

[tropic summit]

OL the utilities like centi, jackal, biscuit, blanc, rumani, xmaiden if you didn't already

[atomic wolf]

knowledge check and stat check

i'm trying, i will give them sr0 doll too

[tropic summit]

nono don't SR0

go R15 then into SR5

SR0 is a RNG trap, can't advise that

[atomic wolf]

i'm spending them on helm

[warm vortex]

too late, all my pvp units are SR0

[atomic wolf]

i don't want to do sr5 anyways

[coarse lake]

[tropic summit]

🧱 by 🧱

[atomic wolf]

r15 is pretty much free no rng involved but its too costful since the game refuses to give a stable amount of income for doll

[coarse lake]

dev notes revealed champ arena frequency

it's every 2 weeks, just like rookie/sp..... meaning almost no breaks

[atomic wolf]

great

now its just the rewards

[smoky moat]

my knowledge of how PVP works here isnt great... i have gotten treasure on helm though, and quite recently finally gotten jackal myself

[coarse lake]

it's prob 9 days of event (I remember seeing this number somewhere), + 5 days break

[atomic wolf]

same for me this is why you ask other people

i only have two purpose in this game and they take up 100% of my brain capacity in this game so i will ask for advices

@plush thicket try attacking, i'm waiting

[plush thicket]

bro out here camping

[atomic wolf]

i'm not

also don't pay any mind the message in your union

honestly i'm more worried that you willl lose top 3 to that mf (damian) than i do losing top 2 right now

he's my #1 target if you want top 2/3 i will give it back

[plush thicket]

i really dont care. if i dont get it, i dont

[atomic wolf]

as long as you make that guy not getting anything above top 4

well i do, i want him to eat shit

anyways go ahead i will free up one team for you to attack, get your top 2 back

i'll stay 3

[plush thicket]

im out. lol

[atomic wolf]

oh outside?

[plush thicket]

like im out of tries

[atomic wolf]

aw

just ping me tomorrow, i'll give it back

[umbral belfry]

yeah imagine sr0 hahaha..

[tropic summit]

you were warned

regardless, an important lesson will be learned at least

[umbral belfry]

I was I will pay for this later

Also\

When is it best to use Helmt for actual bursting?

[tropic summit]

helmT is a link killer, she deals massive overkill dmg

now if that happens to be jackal or a linked nikke, the entire link gets overkilled

overflow damage is no longer lost, but distributed

[umbral belfry]

[smoky moat]

so helm T is useful as part of a jackal counter team?

[tropic summit]

either that or you want to burst to gain sustain, like you can see here

(look at noah and helmt HP)

[umbral belfry]

I see I see good to know, I'm almost at phase 3 so in the future i might use that method

[tropic summit]

in this case you can benefit from both:

1. you need sustain to survive indom scar
2. you want to nuke link

the interesting bit of that video is that the team is actually on 18% deficit

on 65+ lvl gap

[smoky moat]

i havent been focused on my pvp units so im working out who needs to be built

[muted citrus]

Hello nikke PvP buddies!!
Wondering which 2 team would you guys choose to face & how to setup to beat 2/3 of these teams? Thank you! 🙏🏻

[tropic summit]

multiple ways, the emi team:

[tropic summit]

the scar-jack-ross team (can be adapted into 2RL with helm)

[tropic summit]

the s.anis team can be safely skipped for the other 2

[muted citrus]

I tried these setups before
didn’t work out…

[tropic summit]

you don't fight indom with indom

unless you're sure your indom lasts longer than opponent

[vapid lake]

[tropic summit]

try these 2 teams (your teams are on the left) (trina ideally running temperance cube, SR5, 4OL, else run scar xmaiden trina rh jackal)

your attempt with scar to burst emi and RH failed because you lacked the damage (didn't wipe RH)
your attempt with emi/RH was ok-ish, although risky, this new T2 should ensure you're very safe

assuming you want to try going for triple win, you can lastly indom emi against the enemy noise team

you'll need to be on 2RL emi, so beware

[pale knoll]

[tropic summit]

[muted citrus]

tysm for helping me with this!! Been at it for a week now and can’t rack my brain around it. I’ll try tmr and let you know how it goes!

[atomic wolf]

You have to nuke

[covert lintel]

team 1 is supposed to win but your blanc is too weak so she didn't have a chance to burst.
put her in p2

[peak jungle]

What the hell…
SR15 harren
bro waiting for her treasure

[broken quest]

Guys where do I get some reference to current best pvp teams.

I know very little about pvp

[quick lake]

Can reference these #pvp-arena message

[broken quest]

Ty, i just thought that's more defense related.

[quick lake]

It is. Attack teams should be tailored to ur opponets

[broken quest]

Mm yea I know that, but not really into too much detail. Any source you can learn that from?

[quick lake]

Hmm mostly trial by fire and cooking alot, asking questions here

[broken quest]

Aha okay. Will do later then.

[robust blaze]

can we pin this msg?

[quick lake]

Probably have to ask someone who can to pin

[robust blaze]

i thought RH wasn’t good on defense, per keripo’s pvp tier list. did something change?

[quick lake]

RH as B3 isn't generally recommended. But RH as B1 still very valuable buffer

[vapid lake]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1162985219830329374.webp?size=128&animated=true

[robust blaze]

I got recommended these teams for sp arena:

Scarlet Blanc X.maiden Liter Jackal
Noah Biscuit S.anis Rapunzel Rumani
Grave Centi Cinderella T.helm Noise (edited)

and wondering why I don't make 2RL scar/cindy team and then sanis team. although, I don't have trina and maybe she's a requirement for a 2RL scar team. The only meta pvp units I don't have are trina/emilia/mana.

[quick lake]

Teams 1 and 2 are fine. T3 Grave is a little bit weird there but it can work.

Ideally u do want 2RL Scar (usually works with Trina) and 2RL Cindy (which u can make)

[robust blaze]

if I make a 2RL cindy team, doesnt that take away units that was suggested for my sanis team above?

looking at the teams you linked, why don’t I make:

scar blanc rh rumani jackal
noise centi cindy helmT noise

hmm i cant figure out a third team with sbs/sanis since I dont have emilia/trina/laplaceT

[quick lake]

Yeah, that is the current state of SPA. The 3rd team is generally rather weak, or requires good units from the other 2 teams. So you need to find a balance

[wanton island]

heya rheax. glad i listened to you and built cindy. she is pretty damn good

she is trash for multiple units though

[quick lake]

You could do:
Scar Grave/Mari RH Rumani Jackal
then run Blanc/Noah + SBS on 3rd team

[quick lake]

Cindy still overall pretty useful

[wanton island]

yeah. i didnt mean total trash. she is always a good damage dealer, she just seems to get confused when multiple raptures invade the screen

when does alice get good? mine feels like a boat anchor

[robust blaze]

either she’s max invested or she’s trash

[wanton island]

10,10,10 or leave her alone?

fml. i figured she would show some promise before then

[robust blaze]

10/4/10. she is really good for campaign and bossing. i cant speak abt pvp bc i am just beginning to learn abt pvp teams/mechanics

[wanton island]

i really cant use her for campaign either

10, 4, 7

[robust blaze]

yea there should be some permanent event that helps get your alice to 10/4/10

and then u just need 2 charge speed OL’s and then she’ll be useable

[quick lake]

Alice is pretty demanding. Can slowly take ur time to build her. I started building her quite late

[wanton island]

2 charge speed ols and 10/4/10. got it

[wanton island]

yeah, she has been a side project for a while, but ive always needed to build a pilgrim

or helmT

[robust blaze]

is it redundant to run both noah and blanc on one team?

[quick lake]

Yep. You either burst with Noah for her shield, or blanc for her indom

[robust blaze]

i might make the cindy anis 2RL team for now bc my solely pvp units are lacking a lot of cp

[forest solstice]

help me cook a rookie arena team please?

[atomic wolf]

Hey what did you say

I'll have you know

she did 7136984 damage to 3 enemies in total

unfortunately this leaves other 78 enemies alive

So I will simply blame ShiftUp for this

Similarly in pvp

She is a good pvp unit but falls under the "hit random enemies" rule

If hypothetically it clips two least important nikke that they have (this is possible even if the burst is 10-hits) this leaves other three alive

While most of the time you will emerge victory due to the difference between party members, sometimes if you're very unlucky the enemy will still kill you at a measly 87 hp

[swift mango]

Cindy always spread her hits.

If 10+ enemies she will hit once each on ten.

If 5 enemies, she will hit 2 each on 5. It's also untauntable. If someone survived, it's either her 2 hits not dealing enough dmg, or Noah, Bay, Biscuit(+Jackal) is involved.

[atomic wolf]

Usually they survive because the enemy has something called "Noah"

[swift mango]

The hitting order is random sure

[woven carbon]

Should i do it

[atomic wolf]

I do love it when the enemy is only 1rl away from me, yet still able to burst noah right away and decimate my team with the same thing I throw at them

once again i put cindy away on the shelf and calls her a dogshit trash rng unit

EVERYONE nowadays has a Noah

[swift mango]

It's not RNG it's just how she work. Needing 2rl faster now to get all her hit out before Noah.

[atomic wolf]

If I had noah I COULD

I would out RL them but I don't, so what I am going to do is to drink 80 sleeping pills and hardstuck top 4

[quick lake]

Trina Centi Cindy Rumani Drake

[robust blaze]

what does that plus sign signify?

[forest solstice]

why drake if i may ask

[robust blaze]

o, is it charge speed?

[quick lake]

So that u can hit 2RL Cindy

[forest solstice]

okay thanks

[quick lake]

yep! cs% OLs

[robust blaze]

are centi and rumani interchangeable in any team as long as you hit the RL trheshold? they're jusat burst gen?

[quick lake]

yep! Generally interchangeable

[robust blaze]

@quick lake so you think these 3 defense teams are good? or would you make any changes

[quick lake]

Yep! Those are really good defence teams

Not many ppl have moran with high cp. So t3 u could just auto and CP pad as well

[robust blaze]

okay thanks. tbf all my pvp units like rumani/noah/centi aren't very invested in right now haha. just making a team and slowly making it stronger

i just got red hood this week so i've been investing in her and then i'll work on pvp units next

[quick lake]

Yep. Pvp is a slow game. Fortunately it's only the same few units that are impt

[robust blaze]

im just curious on the 2RL vs 2.5RL threshold bc my helmT only has skill 1 at lv7

[quick lake]

should be finee

[robust blaze]

seems most burst gen calcs either have helmt s1 at lv4 or 10 as an option

for the charge speed OL on the team building site, why is 17% the default?

[quick lake]

After mathing, ~15%-17%+ is the cs% required to be "bumped" to 2.5RL. i.e. to shoot 3 projectiles in 2.5RL time

[robust blaze]

ah so below that cs%, nothing actually improves. got it

[quick lake]

Below that breakpoint, there is still some improvement. But it get's a bit more complicated. U can be at 2.9 or 2.8RL, need to account for no RL units providing gen etc etc

[robust blaze]

the dev notes mentioned a feature to have separate cube loadouts for pvp and pve...you know how to do that? it was news to me

[quick lake]

When u select a unit, u go to the cube tab, u can equip cubes separately

[robust blaze]

that's sweet

[unique wagon]

Wdym ca no longer mid

[robust blaze]

why does cindy want healing cube? rather than say vigor?

[quick lake]

typo. supposed to be hp cube

[quick lake]

CA format and gamplay seems kinda interesting

[unique wagon]

There are soft counters tho

Like Blanc

[coarse solstice]

Have they released the details?

[quick lake]

not much

[dusky epoch]

I need to rebuild new pvp team Can someone helppp please

[swift mango]

[rustic trail]

trying to dip into arena stuff rn, need help for 1st and 3rd team... and is my comp ok?

[tulip quest]

Mica 221 wut

[tropic summit]

taking a look

[mystic wind]

@tropic summit is it possible for me to beat this?

need team advice and this is my box

[swift mango]

With teams showed? No

[mystic wind]

that's why I'm asking for team advice

[umbral crown]

https://tenor.com/view/peter-griffin-it-should've-been-me-family-guy-gif-6828243286393193549

[tropic summit]

scarlet blanc rh noir jackal
naga centi cind laplace noise
noah biscuit rrh sbs emilia

cubes

quantum on centi, rumani, jackal, trina
vigor on blanc, biscuit, noise
temperance on noah
any other nikke run highest lvl cube available

notes: aim for table to the right once CP allows, else stick with teams on the left:

-need to invest better in noise, centi, rumani, jackal, biscuit, trina, helmT (helm needs s1 lvl 10 and stage 2)

[tropic summit]

soon

[tropic summit]

taking a look

[next geyser]

where do i stick helm with her fav item on a pvp team?

[tropic summit]

poli dkw scarlet anis noir
drake blanc cind centi liter
alice laplace naga pmaid noise

suggested wishlist for pvp:

-noah, biscuit, jackal, rumani, trina, rapunzel

[tropic summit]

if helmT is s1 lvl 10 and stage 2 she can work as a battery, if stage 3 and invested burst (lvl7 or above) can work as sustain enabler and/or link killer

Example of both sustain and link killer on 18% deficit (stat penalty):

[next geyser]

stats so far

do i go for 10 with her burst?

might take a lil while to get her fav otem to stage 3 tho

[quick lake]

Can wait till phase 3 to level her burst.

[next geyser]

i gotta update my pvp teams in general, i can later post my entire roster for some teambuilding tips lol

my current teams

[tropic summit]

T1 and T2 need to be fixed, T3 probably improved

post your whole pox with nikke ordered by strength

[tropic summit]

uh let's see 🤨

[next geyser]

moment

[umbral crown]

[quick lake]

4 pics

[next geyser]

damn

it was 5 lol

[next geyser]

i have almost every nikke in the game (other than collabs) i only showed the ones i put in my sync box

[tropic summit]

what's your s.anis stats, is she burst lvl 9 at least, do you've resil cube on her and does she have no ammo OL?

also lemme know your quantum cube lvl

[next geyser]

i should update my cubes now that theyre separate loadout in the arena

i wouldnt say im using the best ones atm

[mystic wind]

10-10-9 sanis no ammo ol quantum lvl 8

[tropic summit]

awesome

[next geyser]

imma gotta go but feel free to help me out with teambuilding while im away

[tropic summit]

assemble these matchup and take a screenshot of the CP against enemy team (edited, forgot a swap)

[umbral crown]

Bro has more SR15 than @keen vapor

[tropic summit]

but laplace not treasured

[umbral crown]

[mystic wind]

damn what a gap

[umbral crown]

[next geyser]

ya i need 1 more dupe of her...

[next geyser]

oh so thats what the 4th icon is

[tropic summit]

noise naga cind helmT rouge
scarlet blanc rh centi jackal
noah biscuit dkw sbs noir

cubes:

quantum on jackal,centi
vigor on biscuit, noise, blanc, rouge
temperance on noah
any other nikke run highest lvl cube

notes:

-increase CP on your utilities:

blanc, biscuit, centi, jackal, noise

-wishlist/get/build the following:

trina, rumani, furthermore can consider laplace treasure to reduce SG feed batteries

[umbral crown]

Si

But RH with R doll is no nice

[tropic summit]

yeah the issue here is that to run proper counter teams your CP will tank

i think it's best you pick someone else, you're gapped out with this one

[next geyser]

thank yoou, ill check it more in detail later

[swift mango]

11 sr15. More than me. Probably more than you as well. Maybe. How about you, @tropic summit ?

[tropic summit]

my doll RNG isn't particular good

2 treasure
7 SR15
12 SR5
19 R0

[swift mango]

I asked if he is having more than you, no your doll luck

I just used all 40 boxes they gave me + some, to sr5 to 10 Miranda.

[tropic summit]

miranda... you really went for her

bold of you with siren/pilgrim approaching

[swift mango]

Now need to save equivalent of 600 blue mats and 10 red to guarantee her sr15.

[tropic summit]

[next geyser]

rest of my roster as well if any of these nikkes are good

[umbral crown]

No more than me, i have 13 almost 14

[tropic summit]

on the very longer term,

rosanna, soda, reit, xmica, ade, bay, nero

[umbral crown]

You can always trust me to max dolls

[next geyser]

ill take note of them

[umbral crown]

Ade?

[tropic summit]

anti status anomaly, anti privaty/soda/rapunzel stuns

very niche scenario though

could come in handy if CA gets fun stun teams i guess

[covert lintel]

i don't think ade is good
she only immune to 1 debuff
her debuff immunity will end before any opponent nikke burst

[swift mango]

I don't want this to happen ever again.

Apparently, 2 buff Emi isn't enough to one shot over 55 level gap SR15 supporter without crit.

[covert lintel]

mostly p1, p2, p5 get debuff
so ade's merit will only p3 and p4

[tropic summit]

welcome to my world son

65+ level gap everyday getting worse

[swift mango]

Well, your whale doesn't build Arena units.

And you aren't hitting him much anyway.

[quick lake]

Crazy life steal

[tropic summit]

realistically can't hit him anymore in fact

chinese whale is well beyond 20% deficit now, 'murican whale is on 18% and i'm starting to feel it

maybe at the end of the month when i can open the boxes for a small min/maxing

[swift mango]

My dude changed his def team every 2 days. I tried to hit him 3/3 and ended up lose 1/3. Could have just get my guarantee 2/3 lol...

But I want to experiment.

[tropic summit]

as long as she can live past 2RL scarlet s2, if that gets going it gets pretty damn interesting

[shell hazel]

[swift mango]

That's a 2rl team.

[tropic summit]

good, always experiment, for science.

[tropic summit]

yeah sure is

[swift mango]

2rl Noah will live pass 2rl Scarlet. Especially 55 lv gapped.

[tropic summit]

money armor too stronk

[tropic summit]

oh that's interesting and that sucks then

the bench seems a better position for her then

[shell hazel]

still chilling in 1st
awaiting scarlets at dawn with hime in the champion arena

[tropic summit]

which @umbral belfry ?

[quick lake]

first

Maybe ill max biscuit’s burst soon

[covert lintel]

just like skill reset, i wish there is a feature to undo overload.

[tropic summit]

someone is going for ultra sustain team

[quick lake]

yeah, im a convert

[tropic summit]

the dream of every f2p

[shell hazel]

too many himes 😄

[swift mango]

@umbral belfry

@gray axle

@tidal gust

@summer plover

@iron cloud

@wary kindle

When unsure, get'emall

[covert lintel]

for example is this

[grand plaza]

Helllo there, I dropped Centi

I couldn't decide what to change tho. Top team I can change with Noir to reach 3RL (190k CP), I guess I would lose a bit damage boost from Noir but otherwise same CP

Bottom team I can get past 2RL easily if I replace Naga, and I believe her burst would be better than Naga's, but am I wasting her here considering its almost 2RL anyway (175k CP)

I can also switch Alice and HelmT to create 2 balanced teams with pretty much same CP (180k CP with 3RL) but I don't think thats the correct way to go

[covert lintel]

noir or naga

[quick lake]

Its fine i think. Not that wasted

[tropic summit]

someone 'bout to be murdered

a few ppl will be here like

[grand plaza]

My question was was pretty much "Noir or Naga?" so that kinda didn't help

[tropic summit]

you're still running quency B3

surely you found something better after these weeks/month?

[grand plaza]

Because

[tropic summit]

good god

[grand plaza]

Its a pretty steep drop, I focused on campaign team

[tropic summit]

now if you had noah and biscuit a maxwell B3 could actually happen

@swift mango does maxwell burst shoot in p5 p4 or p1 and p2?

(if enemy alive)

iirc it hits 2 positions

[grand plaza]

I don't have Noah btw, just Centi

[tropic summit]

hence the "if you had"

[grand plaza]

Hence I am blind

[tropic summit]

let's just hope you come across SBS/RH

now those you'd have no excuse to not invest into

[grand plaza]

I am pretty much fighting the same guy for pos 6, all depends on who login later

I am trying to focus on defend right now because of that. If can I cover 6th plae its great, because there is no way I can go above that. They are either too powerful CP wise or so freaking perfect PVP teams

[covert lintel]

i have many other underated char with many OL

[quick lake]

sw, mw, mod have all been sitting doing nothing

[covert lintel]

that was for defense right?
just change it, let your heart decide.
i personally think remove alice for faster burst, but you are concerned about cp so i won't give advice you that

[swift mango]

Should be P5 when Attack if not taunt.

My DKW burst shot P5 when attack as well.

[grand plaza]

Yeah Alice is by far the most invested unit and lets say if I replace it with Centi, its 43k CP loss.. 191k to 148k

I guess I will replace with Noir, feels like positives outweigh negatives for that team.

[steady jetty]

Guys can anyone help me build team, what Mistake do i made?

[tropic summit]

for defense or attack?

[steady jetty]

Both. Im using same team for both

Should i make it different?

[tropic summit]

attack can be way better if you aim for countering over throwing just your "best" teams

as for def, in general you want equally strong but speedy teams

[tropic summit]

gonna take a look

[steady jetty]

I have resource to build a unit fyi. I dont mind spend resources

[steady jetty]

Thank you

[limpid nebula]

whats the 2, 2.5, 3, 3.5, 4RL thing? and the %

[tropic summit]

sorry took a phone call, almost done

[broken quest]

Guys which cubes do you run on these units?

[umbral belfry]

[umbral belfry]

[shell hazel]

zombie doro

no eyes

[tropic summit]

naga centi cind helmt liter
sbs blanc rh emilia jackal
xmaiden mari lapalce biscuit rumani

cubes

quantum on centi, jackal, emilia, rumani
vigor on blanc, biscuit
anyone else run highest lvl cube available

notes:

wishlist noah if didn't already, consider investing in these utilities to raise ur CP and get ur teams reviewed:

jackal, blanc, biscuit, rumani

wishlist/build: trina

notes2: scarlet and emilia look fairly lower invest than others, consider raising them to replace SBS and xmaiden as B3

[tropic summit]

burst gen threshold, the lower the faster it is

2RL: burst after shooting a rocket twice
2.5RL and 3RL and so on... same logic

example of 2RL team

further info if you wanna read a bit

sauce: https://nikke.gg/arena-mechanics/

[limpid nebula]

Oooo thanks Rail

[broken quest]

Guys what do i use for the second team? all the units are overlapping in pvp arena teams.

[umbral belfry]

make sure scarlet is the one linked on t3

[broken quest]

linked on t3?

with jackal?

[umbral belfry]

yes, bc if her atk is lower than rh and helmt, she's not linked

[broken quest]

lemme check

yea rh is above

[limpid nebula]

whats the linked thing?

[umbral belfry]

is helmt's?

[broken quest]

Jackal skill 2

[limpid nebula]

ohh got it

[broken quest]

nope, rh is highest. since helm has basically no gear

[tropic summit]

shared damage between the 2 highest atk% in the team

[broken quest]

or substats i mean

[umbral belfry]

as long as scar has the 2nd highest attack then

[broken quest]

oki but what do i do for second team? want me to send ss of my nikke?

[umbral belfry]

[broken quest]

[tropic summit]

to help you understand, an example of 2RL linked SBS + Helmt, with added indom from blanc

1. SBS has lower HP than Helm(vigor) and jackal(defender has naturally higher HP on same invest)
2. SBS Helm and jackal are linked, as SBS and Helm have highest atk%
3. 2RL burst, blanc cast indom on lowest hp%, which is ensured due to link and also HP difference
4. SBS is thus indommed, on helmt and blanc buffs, deals damage for over 10s of indomitable

[broken quest]

I don't think you need the 3rd pic, it's just useless nikke.

Don't ask about the dolls. I didn't know u can get mats if you combine them

bastion 15/res 11/ adjuvant 10/ quantum 9 btw

[lunar pawn]

how's soda on defense?

[glacial hound]

lmao dw i also handed out R dolls like food stamps

[broken quest]

hell yeah brotha

[glacial hound]

[tropic summit]

good, especially since it baits at first pretty well

[broken quest]

I was getting roasted so hard by my clan

[lunar pawn]

cool, might put mine in synchro then

0 OL though

[tropic summit]

keep in mind that she's best to be linked and used in p2 to ensure stun on taunters (typically noise/noah)

as such she needs 4OL gear with atk% more than your team (minus likely scarlet)

[lunar pawn]

[tropic summit]

e.g.

scarlet soda trina centi jackal

soda to be linked would need more atk% than trina, centi and jackal

[limpid nebula]

ohhhh wow, so the lowest hp% is base on initial raw stats not the remaining hp of remaining nikke when bursting skill?

[umbral belfry]

Sbs and Sanis seems redundant together on t2 unless im mistaken? Are you cp padding?

[lunar pawn]

isn't soda an attacker? can't recall rn

[tropic summit]

it's remaining, it's just that linked units share damage, so you'll generally never have linked units with different HP than their starter

[broken quest]

No i just slapped something on to attack with 3 teams before the pvp tries reset. I'm asking what to run on second team

[tropic summit]

soda is a B1 supporter

[broken quest]

on god she was a burst 3 attacker in my mind

[limpid nebula]

oh wows im like opening new doors in SPA, so much possibilities

[broken quest]

Same, we both learnin

[tropic summit]

@limpid nebula

you don't necessarely need jackal, you can achieve indom by aiming for the unit to be the lowest HP even without linking it

[limpid nebula]

started the game for the nikke, stayed for the meta and pvp

[lunar pawn]

is that the model view or your actual investment

she can be 111 for arena anyway

[broken quest]

helz yea man. I only can't stomach hard campaign.

[umbral belfry]

I would settle for a team focused around sanis rather than sbs, only because sbs can be countered on defense by a taunter + bisc. but i don't have much knowledge on sanis teams bc i joined in Dec. maybe someone can help you further, sorry

[limpid nebula]

same soon the temp recruitment cant help us much

[umbral belfry]

throwing out my beginner cook hat

[eternal finch]

Any recs vs this teams?

[umbral belfry]

echo

[tropic summit]

you're on deficit on both

[limpid nebula]

i dont have jackal, with this i can put my main dps on P2 for this strat assuming blanc burst

[eternal finch]

yeah they got far away on CP. Used to be able to fight. Wanted confimration

[tropic summit]

you'll need blanc to survive and burst, with p2 being the lowest HP aside blanc

running rapunzel like in the vid ensures you'll revive her and heal a bit the target unit

[blissful willow]

Are you in global?

[tropic summit]

else just run that with biscuit, which will trigger s2 on blanc making her invulnerable for 5s

[eternal finch]

NA

[tropic summit]

that opponent is out of your range unfortunately, try hitting someone else

[limpid nebula]

blanc cant use indom on herself?

[tropic summit]

nope

[eternal finch]

sadly, can't. My ladder top6 are out of range now

[limpid nebula]

got it got it

[tropic summit]

well then, you've an option left

[limpid nebula]

10 secs is long no wonder she rank high on pvp tier

[umbral belfry]

rail suggesting whaling

it really is April fools

[limpid nebula]

no wonder echo suggest putting cindy on P3 and maxwell on P1 to die, mindblown

[tropic summit]

although i'll never advise/support it directly, one should present all possibilities I guess

[lunar pawn]

just whale and cp gap them instead

[tropic summit]

that's... a very copium based team

then again at your synch it's probably fine, not like you've much else probably

[broken quest]

yo rail can you check these out?

I tried copying teams from pvp arena thing

[broken quest]

Also here are my nikke

[steady jetty]

Thank you. Will try your build

[limpid nebula]

I main 747 cindy and 948 alice but my 3rd team seems to have no dps, maybe replacing modernia with 111helm (or to upgrade idk to what lvl)

[limpid nebula]

helmT in pvp normally dont burst? in current meta

[tropic summit]

moran synch 1? 🤔

[broken quest]

Yea i'm just making the teams. Didn't use her before

[broken quest]

no idea, I just see everyone running her idk if it's for burst gen or burst or some ability passive

[tropic summit]

helmT CAN burst depending on situation, she's link killer/sustain enabler, here's an example of that:

[tropic summit]

hmmm T1 and T3 are solid, T2 is more on the counterable side

[limpid nebula]

ohh she works great for high hp taut teams and main dps

[tropic summit]

basically what's gonna happen to your T2 @broken quest due to feed from SG and AR:

[broken quest]

I mean any other suggestion i'm open for.

as i said i just copied the teams no idea

[tropic summit]

to help you understand further, using SG/AR/MG/HMGs in PvP is not recommended because of this:

that's 30% enemy burst gen you provide within 2.5RL

[broken quest]

MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

[tropic summit]

way more than enough to kick any scar-jack team into 2RL, which means you're dead unless you're on same speed with either a bay or a noah

[broken quest]

that's okay yep

yea that's not bueno

[tropic summit]

mhm

i'd say let's change your T2 perhaps

running moran on a non 2RL team is unfortunately detrimental

post your box

[broken quest]

Right here sir!

[tropic summit]

oh ok let's see

[broken quest]

[tropic summit]

can work with these

you should notice already a problemo:

-jackal, noah, biscuit, centi, noise, emi are dead on bottom

[broken quest]

mhm

why is that

[tropic summit]

but you can work on that later on

[broken quest]

you mean cp wise?

[tropic summit]

(investiment)

[broken quest]

okay.

[tropic summit]

what's ur quantum cube lvl?

[broken quest]

bastion 15/res 11/ adjuvant 10/ quantum 9

and tempering 4

if that's used

[tropic summit]

oh wow lvl 9 nice

probably last question

can you check noir and scarlet atk%? include OL (atk%), you can just return the sum

[broken quest]

okay

you mean just the % on ol gear yea?

[tropic summit]

yeah you can give screen from blabla it contains both conviniently

else from ingame you can check manually

[broken quest]

Scar 24.80 I have a google sheets. Noir 27.1

[tropic summit]

and what about their flat atk?

[broken quest]

Like what it says on the screen?

[tropic summit]

yeah there should be a flat number aswell

[broken quest]

1 min

[tropic summit]

ingame for example it's this one

[broken quest]

yeye just gotta boot it back up

[tropic summit]

FYI we want to know that to ensure jackal link on RH and scarlet

scarlet needs to be 1st or 2nd highest atk% (OL included)

[broken quest]

Yeye, i went over that with hime

just for rh,helm n scar

so scar has 200382
Noir 209872 -;-

[tropic summit]

welp, won't use her i guess

how about laplace?

atk% and flat atk

[broken quest]

lap has 197744 and no atk%

: D

[tropic summit]

looks good then

meal is ready

[broken quest]

sure does, whatever you are looking at

[limpid nebula]

Rail for 554 modernia, 111helm no T as replacement will it be better? (or a slight invested one)

[broken quest]

Rail what Stove(program) do you use to cook.

[tropic summit]

naga centi cind helm noise
scarlet blanc rh laplace jackal
noah biscuit dkw sbs noir

cubes

quantum on centi, jackal, rumani, trina (optional laplace)
vigor on biscuit, blanc, noise
temperance on noah
any other nikke run highest lvl cube available

notes: invest in the nikke used in table 2 to run those teams instead once ready (avoid tanking CP, use only once invested), as direct upgrade to your current

[tropic summit]

grill master MK II pro, can find it for free here

#pvp-arena message

else mobile friendly:

https://nikke-deck.web.app/

[tropic summit]

helm 1/1/1 without treasure is as good as your trashbin

in fact helm without treasure is bad

once you've her on s1 lvl 10 treasure stage 2 then she starts being SSS

[dire root]

Whale took 1st, at least I got 2nd.

I could have had 1st if I had a counter to Cindy

[limpid nebula]

stage 2 meaning treasure lvl2?

[tropic summit]

mhm

[limpid nebula]

so even a 444helm or 575 no T still cant replace a 554 modernia even though sniper gen slightly faster than mg?

[tropic summit]

wouldn't be worth it, rather run modernia as CP padding

invest in helm once she's treasured

[limpid nebula]

okay got it

[lunar pawn]

any team recs?

[pale knoll]

How reliable rrh against unprotected noah or blanc in p1?

[pale knoll]

Your t3 against his t2 and should be fine

[tropic summit]

so you want to 1hitko with RRH B3? 🤔

[lunar pawn]

tried before, didn't work

[broken quest]

Okay copied them. Don't really understand what to work for these nikke? charge speed? just gear in general or skill lvls? or all of the above

[pale knoll]

Yeah

[pale knoll]

How did it go?

[tropic summit]

investiment, mainly getting 4OL, doll R15 or SR5, budget skill invest (utilities) or recommended (in emi case)

[fresh vapor]

1st time im in plat

[tropic summit]

might be doable, especially if 3RL... on 2RL might live if well invested

[lunar pawn]

#pvp-arena message

[tropic summit]

it's 50/50 depending on RNG

(RH hitting cover or not)

[pale knoll]

For reference my rrh is 100% ele 50% attack

[broken quest]

ty

[lunar pawn]

I want 100%

[tropic summit]

how do you like your noah, medium rare or well done?

[lunar pawn]

(win)

[pale knoll]

What's enemy team rl? Not 3 rl?

[pale knoll]

Raw

[tropic summit]

jokes aside yeah that's gonna hurt a lot

[pale knoll]

I'm very curious, so I'll try it out

[tropic summit]

especially if on double buff

probably 1 buff is already enough

[lunar pawn]

should be 2.5RL since they get off blanc's burst if I don't kill her with scarlet s2

[pale knoll]

If you are 0.5 rl faster it should be a win anyways

[lunar pawn]

enough time to indom before the nuke

yea but then there's RH rng

who's griefing me

[pale knoll]

Will ask my friend to set a def to test it

[tropic summit]

do share le vid, got my popcorns prepared

[pale knoll]

3rl blanc emi rh against t3 should be free win then

[shell hazel]

@umbral belfry
@umbral belfry
@umbral belfry
...

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@swift mango
Finally got 15 dispatch slots for better re-rolls 🙂

[tropic summit]

imagine if she- no nvm

[shell hazel]

wanted you to || hug her || a lot?

[tropic summit]

she'd ||hug ||me dry

[pale knoll]

Rookie is over