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worth the upgrade in outpost tho
some people finish this with 200k or 150k lower cp than me
I got 1st by staying 2nd the whole sp season 
Not if you to the hospital first XD
Soda logic right there

need alice and/or MG to take care of the boulders
what team are you running?
crown / sbs (cindy) / alice / mod / rapi or
crown/sbs/alice/rapi/naga should work
i might have even switched out alice for my super powered Ein
you need to burst on the boulders showing up basically
if you're too early/late you can't kill them easily enough
MGs / mod can take them out without being in burst tho
helm treasure allowed me to burst twice before the first boulders appeared
but timing was pretty tight
QTE fail will be an issue too
if you don't have her you can only burst once before you need to prep for the first boulders
burst with cindy in first bit, she should take the initial MG fire from the boss np
yeah
19-6 is tough but I can almost see how I can do it
no with the gear the ones I want don't usually arrive easily
fifty million copies of something else
behe fight once you have the right team in place that works for you, you can predict where the boss will shoot based on who is bursting etc
it gets a bit predictable there so you can cover the right people
someone said may start after next season but I am not so sure
I'd tend to agree would be weird, so prob whoever said that was incorrect ๐
good luck with behe, it's doable without helm I think but need to check what else was used for clears if you lack her, I don't think that many people used helm from the clears I saw
RH wasn't that good on this boss raw dps wise but she was good for b1, faster burst gen in general
one thing helm did let me do was just tank the lightning storm with her heal, no need to even do the QTE for that lol
Behe is just cindy check
Thelm makes tanking storm possible, otherwise team dies in 2nd storm or you'll time out there anyway. Trust me I know 
Alice or RH can pierce rocks to do dmg on boss, you can tank at most 1 rock
tanking the boulders is the easy part
its trying to survive her ramming into you that is hard to sustain
about CA, are the top 4 from the point ranking or the current position ranking?
still here answering these types of questions? 
Is this a preview of CA?
Seem like fixed syncro to me
yea but then again its shift up, theyre full of scams surprises 
no sync lock and CA dead on arrival
followed by nikke EOS
||the level numbers in that image are not yellow like in most modes that have synced locked levels, instead its all white, lets just hope thats a mistake||
That just coloring mistake tho
Can easily be fixed with
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color: #FFD700
}
But thats just 1 unit and the team to work properly needs 5, and kost likely thst was during SR
more like you're a masochist
?? you were saying it would take weeks to SR15 helm and OL her... i just replied that it took me and hime around a week to SR15 her
not sure if i misunderstood what you were trying to say
you don't get enough mats from bulletins to SR-15 anyone that quickly
solo raid you maybe can SR-15 from 0 on someone if you're lucky
i'd have to go back and look, butim pretty sure i got Thelm phase 1 right before SR
you can... if you have been hoarding boxes like me and busted around 300 all at once
that was simply RNG working in my favor to get enough to phase 2 Thelm right out the gate
Itโs possible
When dolls just came out, I somehow got S.Anis to SR15 in one week and I had no idea how the system worked. Just kept feeding until I got it.
I havenโt even come close to doing that again since
300...could have been more like 5-600... my mind not so good since i didn't follow D.A.R.E's guidelines
Even if you were lucky with 1 unit its nice but i mean to have the team properly usually it takes time
ok, that i understand
i usually run a jackal centi rh noah (cindy/ein) depending on opponent... working on my scarlet now
And most people can not SR15 1 unit in a week, i know your case was special but i meant for normal cases where you need more time to SR15 anyone +good lines

oh if you hoard crates yeah maybe, but I def can't without any crates saved ๐
but that isn't really a fair comparison
And since mats in the shop are really limited, not enough to SR15 when lucky is not your friendo
thats why i mentioned it wasnt only me. @umbral belfry actually said i cursed him for raising her to SR15 so quickly
Gotta speed invest in Mana 
In my case helm took like 2 weeks since she went from SR0 to SR10 in just one moment
not tomorrow
@tropic summit
literally for f2p you need to defend position with gems if you want participate
scarlet eats that for breakfast but then again its rookie team 
Its good for attack, but Idunno on def
Not as good as B1 Rh
So....i just have to collect points for top 4 in 1 week?
2weeks
i'm sure everyone will wake up
But season will start in 1 week
ah selection is based on end of the current season but yeah seems it's delayed when it actually starts
great, now ppl can rat each other even more to get a slot in CA 
it seems like CA is lagged behind the SPA by a season
so SPA ends > new CA selection established > new SPA > new CA etc
in the end doesn't change anything really you still compete for top 4 in SPA regardless every season
What the rewards though? Gems?
10000 core dusts 
Core dusts is meeeh~ At my synch im in dire need of Credits more
you get credits by cheering like the pic above 
if you won the bet yeah
but participants can't place bets, can they?
surely can 
it's at the end of april, not that far 
i'm not on @keen vapor saving levels at least 
yes but where's your Crow 
No, even if i opened them i'm CP cut off within weeks 
very bad because of feeding, remove RRH at the very least
ye if that's the case dead on arrival, way to kill competition that is not whale ๐ณ
hi Railtracer

I have a query for you sir, I have attempted to sous chef something but failed, can you advise potential alt options if I send some details please sir? ๐
union mate of mine I fixed their def teams up some and they went from 100+ in SPA to 12 lol 
but they also wanted to beat a rookie team and my cooks failed, if I send the team/their roster maybe 2-3 options we could try?
we're trying to beat the top team
roster
think I tried noah/biscuit/cindy and scarlet/trina/redhood comp but might be cp gapping some degree, not sure what else is worth trying

asked local whel and their kraken team is 890k at lv 400
I'd like to throw 2-3 suggestions, or even repeats of ones I tried with tweaks, before we admit defeat ๐
I do have a rec of one of the tries at least
do we know who's linked? probably contested between noise and rapunzel
since there's no biscuit, you only need a high double buff indom DPS
i think he can safely run this
I don't think we tried a blanc comp
blanc needs to survive 3RL if noise is linked she'll get some scarlet s2 dmg
so run vigor on her
else you need to 2RL DPS B3
yeah think I tried that one with Helm as main B3, but couldn't do enough, that was the recorded one anyway
but didn't try sbs / helm comp
guess p1 mainly want to avoid your own cindy
you're aiming for something like this
always forget how strong SBS can be ๐
alternatively if helmT burst is well invested, double buff helmT will delete linked units
but i'd keep that for last option
I think that counts as 2-3 options? I can get records ๐
think have to wait for after reset but I'll forward along and see if we can get some ๐ฟ video to watch
thanks Railtracer, if you want any other options to see I can do those as well otherwise we got the 3 to try!
i'd say go for SBS on 3RL, if enemy team is too fast go for SBS 2RL or helmT 2RL nuke
there's another 2 options to be honest
2RL trina + RH will kill whole team aswell, else (he doesn't seem to have her) double buff emi will also work
Hey all! Could do with a bit of advice vs this RK team. I was successfully using Scarlet/HelmTR/Rosanna/Jackal/Noah before but now their RH got an HP upgrade, and just survives the Rosy Burst. My Scar B3 is hitting their Noah wall as well, so kinda pointless having her on the team. I'm wondering if Blanc/Emi/HelmTR/Rosanna/Jackal would be better, or maybe Noah/Bisc/HelmTR/Rosy/Jackal? I've tried slowing my team down in the past to try catch their Emi B3 with my Noah Invuln, but their Emi is super built, to the point even her autos really sting, so I've found it better just to wipe her early with Rosy. I also considered Scalter instead of Emi on that last team, but wasn't sure if their Noah/Bisc combo would just absorb all the damage. Thoughts on which might be the safest win?
run indom scarlet (kill emi and force RH to B3)
else, run 4RL noah if enemy is on 3RL (or noah 3RL if enemy is on 2RL)
Yea, I've tried catching their Emi B3 before as said above, but she usually does a lot of damage with her autos. Not sure I can get a Scar/Blanc/Rosy at 2RL right? (their team is 2.5RL but only a smidge off 2RL, so I think they are probably getting enough from Jackal to make 2RL). So it would be my 3RL vs their 2RL?
they're indeed in range to be promoted to 2RL
sanis team above good 
if 2RL you can 3RL noah, if worried about surviving post nuke emi, run ultra stall 3RL
you can burst with helmT for even extra sustain
up 2 what you need
I think it's possible to reach 750k teams and be in range against most whales if you were F2P month one and invested most of your resources to arena. 
Alrighty, cheers for the advice all. I'll have a look into it a bit more and decide what to try. I've had a lot of trouble running slower teams against him before (his Emi B3 speed seems really difficult to predict), so I'll probably look at the early wipe Emi options. Cheers! ๐

720k should be in range against 850k already.
I think I could make 1-2 team and I have only been playing for a year.
Month one player who invested mostly into arena units should be in range easily.
yeah I don't think he has emi, didn't see anyway
~~I thought we were promised ca by march not april
~~
oh no, CA only starts on 10/4. Means more gemming 
Hey i like cheer system, free 2x vouchers when a whale fights 
So top 4 of the new spa season?
Yea
Seems like it 
Gonna be sweaty
Qualify first, then cook 
Where
Depending on ca rewards I'll invest on pvp or keep as is tbh
Only that frame for now
Imagine all ca does is give shop voucher then they giga buff the shop 
think the selection will be based on the season we just finished tbh
And the vouchers they make are the total cheers value x2 if they win a fight 
Yo, guys! Do we have any top meta teams for def on SP arena? I just keep loosing def to guys 20-25lvl lower than me.
I thought we cheer using credits 
I donโt have Noah whatโs another decent PvP team without her?
@wooden vapor @meager linden can reference these #pvp-arena message
Thx. I will try to optimize my teams.
But which one is the best attack wise without Noah?
use Bay as budget Noah 
Hehe... 69.
you been a busy bee?
yo has anyone heard that they are syncro locking to 80?
for CA
Supposedly sync locked to 400, but we'll have to wait and see
@keen vapor you in ca when
I dont know how to use the chart lol.
Gonna cook by my bare hand
spoke to some rando guy and he specificlly said sync lock 80
sync lock 80 was vv old speculation
so i was curious if anyone here heard something similar... fwiw it was a chinese player on JP server

oh when was this released
hmm unconfirmed. Will check again
i only read the first para or two.. does that mean the people fhghting for 4th place yesterday was meaningless

Okay, nothing confirmed. Will have to wait and see tmr ig
SU are the ultimate trolls
But there all 5 buffs in line 1?
Just a reference 
They showed that it'll be sync 400
aite tks
Its based on point ranking anyways
Need to fight for 4th the entire season
and season ended yesterday. so all the people freaking out yesterday scrambling and sniping... it was all meaningless
Spa is still the same
Champion arena, looks like non participants can bet on their favorite fighters, i wonder if we can do a match fixing
yeh i get that
as slim charles would say
the game stay the game. just got more fierece
now we have a whole week for people to gem each other nonstop to fight for CA eligibility. hooray.
I wonder when they will update the personal msg feature, gotta tell my whales to win so i can get them extra credits
im guessing half of y'all have never watched the wire
wire as in the shit police make you wear as a snitch
Ohhh
I haven't even watched the west wing or sopranos yet
i am an old person
i keep getting timeouts for using that term... c**mer
but the people that watched soporanos, breaking bad... this is peak television drama. far, far better than either of the other two
anyways, done with my rant. @quick lake tks for the spreadsheets...doing the lord's work
No way, CA is real guys?
"Champion Arena is a gameplay feature where Commanders who rank 4th or higher"
All of this waiting for nothing for me lmao
Owo
Now get x12 black lines
Champion arena only top 4 is stupid
It's in beta so they might expand it after the first couple of seasons
Also if they do your still realistically going against the whales on your server anyway
People that aren't participating can apparently bet and gain rewards though so we're not totally kicked out lmao
I didn't even think about that 
Another way to bleed us before the anniversary
earn 10 gems if our choice wins 
based on pic the bet only max 30k 
the* main problems are core mechanics of the game, you have the cp deficit+penalty and how bad the pvp system is for competitive environment, the mode is just to make whales throw gems at each other, spam hits or you have people who don't sleep doing the same
the ones who win already don't need to spend more and the ones who can't compete have no reason to spend in that mode
Yeah, isn't it exciting? A whole new game mode just to watch other people play the game. 2.5 years of waiting for this mode and all we get to do is watch. Oh and bet... great.
I was hoping that it was just and expanded SP Arena to 5 teams so people could be creative about building weird pvp comps. I have some ideas, but the current meta just won't allow it, but more teams might.
With all of this positivity how about some teams suggestions for when I make top 4 โบ๏ธ๐kappa
Honestly though, I really don't mind this set up. Having a limited entry tournament gives you something to strive for. Plenty of things I like to watch I can't do or are gate kept. Doesn't hinder my enjoyment. Sure it'd be cool to win but not everyone can be a champion ๐ฅน. Most of all we get to see some high end PVP which will be really cool.
enough gems for attempts to keep top 4 arena?
you can burn like7k per day if the people in your bracket really want to participate in CA
I don't mind limited entry, but I've been a daily player since day 1 and a light spender. The top 4 in my server are at least 70 levels above me. Just impossible to catch.
ifyou are in cp range you can beat them
At this point i wont even bother to try and get top 4 or one in my bracket, as long as i get 2k+ gems then i am fine with it(im coping)
You can burn it all in a day if you fight a whale

I've seen the whale fights where they just swap back and forth every 20s
My bracket is already overly active, now they'll be gemming on top of it 
I'm hope our top 4 just focuses on keeping their spot and not attacking each other. No point in wasting resources when we can just maintain the next 2 weeks
don't bully me
him 
\
also ca top 4 placements begins after maint
time to watch c2-6 be a warzone
Not soon enough 
my time has come
time to convert to the dark side and open them all? 
tomorrow
noah is good
If there was an unbeatable guy in top 3 
any info on CA rewards?
Ikr
Come back after 15 hrs
Credits 
bet them all
oh god don't remind me, the chinese triad gonna hit me 
C2 is locked by big whale for me
Need a team/tips on how to counter this defense.
post box so we know what you can run
Noah biscuit Summer Anis
or Emilia ICBM it
a few ideas regardless
T1 var: link killer approach, outsustain post nuke
T2 var: standard ICBM
T3 var: 2RL outspeed wipe
Is there a more efficient way to show you my nikke without having to take screenshots?
if you can make any of these teams it's fine
Let me take a look
would noah + bisc not be enough for that sbs team?
for killing enemy SBS dmg output yes, you still need to deal your own amount of dmg against noise + rapu + noah


that's an evil team

noise noah rapu and jackal in the same team is like playing most of your strong cards
in general you want to avoid all 3 in the same team
wouldn't you want to be overcommited in rookie though? it's just 1 battle
or is that not rookie
ye but also gives away your cards as testing ground

ppl will know for example if noise linked or rapu linked
which makes it easier to cook against in sp arena
just run silly teams in rookie team that give 0 to no cards away 

in general either CP pad it or something common that is 2RL
that should peel away most ppl minus the PvPers
I'm just CP padding my team rn with noah-bisc-noise-sbs-alice
one day I will have a proper team
ye sounds good
although you'll want noise in p5
unless noise has more CS% than noah, then it's fine
yeah she's in p5!
tho bisc should also change to p4 no?
or would it be risky for sbs
if you want her to live through splash yes
she's usually dying in p2 
chances are biscuit dies within 3RL-4RL depending on enemy splash
yeah reasonable
but i also don't want my sbs to potentially die so
against splash this generally happens to biscuit
Helm, Blanc, Red Hood, Centi, Jackal failed ๐
I'll try the third team now. Second team has units I haven't built up.
did you take a vid by any chance?
also it requires helm to be treasured
Yeah I got treasure at second upgrade (I hope that's what the m2 means)
this is a meme video right?
Yes
@keen vapor thank the heavens
at least a noah at the end 
i think that was a very real scenario for many players here though, my pilgrim mold is less than 33% actual pilgrims

im around 10%
like the video
summon an exorcist
i summon the power of the heart of the cards...AMEX
but tbh last time i bought something, my 10 pull got me mod, SBS, scar
SU rigs fosho
actually i think it was a 4-fer... rapi too
tis why i dont even bother saving gems for only golden tickets. can just buy dupes of helm and noah
- better odds w/ wishlist
it's gonna be a reality for you 

read above...it already is. stop trying to jinx me because you treasured helm too early

treasured helm best treasure, as added value you even get laid
get to cuddle 
just got off a call with a CN player on my server... @tropic summit you;re gonna love hearing this
?
did any of you know they pay elite players to play /clear stages for them

So basically when the team bursts they do so into the Noah invul, and then die.
capitalism
typical chinese practice, they sell accounts and boost accounts, no wonder 
and one more tidbit
how did trina team go?
not 100% confirmed, but one of the major rewards for CA is a "very nice frame"
That's the trina team. Although it won one battle, but lost two.
no idea if any other rewards for CA leaked yet
Should be only for top 10 or something, no?
hmm ok then it might be a linked enemy noise and feed from scarlet is enough to get them into 2RL


you're gonna need a 2RL stall team
i aint gemming this next week for a freaking frame
participation rewards for us 
2h credit boxes

instead of 1h box
2h credit boxes that we lose by cheering 
You don't either?!
Nope
lol shocked to the point he's getting yugioh and pokemon mixed together
lies, the old blood would use gems to compete 
i'll throw in some DND if I have to
only Keripo will be able to test this then
I'll roll a D20 see if I should spend
at a good skills lvl? probably
only day 1 players* 
I doubt you can gem it in CA or even manually attack.
Is top 4 per bracket
baka

surely i won't get matchmade against whales on 65 levels ahead of me right? 
No 
day 1 player, not in top4
and actually good player, still not enough 
anyways, i bid all you gl this next season starting in 2 hours
Synched locked to 400. But your team 600k and their team 900k. 
as if it isn't your problem aswell 
im just gonna get stomped after getting into CA, its forgone conclusion
aint day 1 player like yรกll
Only whale and day one player with pure Arena investment could compete at highest level. Just like solo raid.
Us common Arena 1 year in could only go for top 3%. Just like Solo raid. 

me when i get matched up with a lv400
and luck
easy win
get your scarlet ready
it's scarlet vs scarlet

12/12 lines is not the same as 12/12 black lines
The older you are, the more rock and skill book you have. And more recycle room levels as well.
I think Nesso block me a bit because I can't reach to his comment.

and more your sbs /alice are fat with only a decent OL
a bit? 
those units eat a lot and their OL are mid
the point is, i can easily make it into CA since fresher account, less whales. But once I step into the ring with REAL whales, its curtains for me.

just beat them anyway
I mean we could still reply to each other. 
yep, i said it the other day

i will do the chinese way and pay you to play my account for me when the time comes
Idk
i'd rather not get banned thank you 
not a pvp talk when there is too many blood comments stacked
when it's synchro locked, does it mean we're all at 400 or the max you can go is 400?
Well, defending on the time.

should be like Co-OP syncro locked

not like anomaly
so, those lvl 150 will be still lvl 150, those on lvl 450 will be 400?
more than double cp of average units
You should pay @keen vapor instead

nay, 150 becomes 400; 500+ goes down to 400
Soy pasante 
max core alice pull thru


the betters worst nightmare
mirror teams
scarlet mirrors
soda
just fix speed, i bet my 2RL team can beat your 2RL team
cuz of CS%?
I sent your team suggestions to my union mate btw Railtracer and they're too low cp, I think they need to invest in some of the pvp units a bit ๐
yeah
yep, eating deficit
they need dupes and luck
Idk, Will CA make Alice great again? 
pray for good rolls or have fun the only day you play in CA

You only need high tier rolls tbh, not good rolls.

i was talking about the bad luck and how those units eat too many rocks for just decent OL effects
but if they have good OL or high cp, they can cp gap your pvp teams
we don't condone that type of playstyle when rail is present
wait til he goes offline then we can talk CP gapping all we want
i use default OL in most of my units, and low dupe count
They ate minimal rock from me, SBS enough for 4 Ele and Alice enough for 3 Ammo + 3 CS. 
full burst weekend apparently
29th?
3 weeks event?
No reason to minmaxing them more. 
Looks like 3 days able but probably still 2.
I will have Trina 3 OL by tomorrow. And 2-3 more days to full OL. Hope it's on time. 
bah facing that reality everyday anyway 
gave up the good fight eh? well at least you tried
2weeks for CA at least
where's your Crow 
She is still in the consultant room.
1 hour until hell begins 
hopefully my china triad didn't read patch notes 
surely they didn't 
could be tomorrow.
they will use next season rank to qualify(?
high on copium, he is
Couldn't it be the last one?

Well, later is better for me anyway. 
and let SU not milk us for more gems before anni? 
should i full lv5 her?
where is the twitter post?
If skill reset come. I could have 101010 ReiT as well.
start 4/10
SR5 her first... 1111 other arena units first.
unfortunately i used sr doll on rumani not long ago
Peeps gonna be gemming to hit me you mean. 
you also need S2 and burst at 10 if you don't use another buffer
no need to waste upgrade mats on rumani SR0 is fine
you can go with her alone if your scarlet have like +40 or +50% atk in OL
4107 should be enough

S3 isn't as important
for normal fights
Not like 3 level in s3 would change much. S3 lv10 is better if you wanted her to buff cindy
my beloved Maxwell gonna get reset just for CA... been with me from the very start
i'm not talking about mats tho

๐ญ
the SR upgrade mats?
doll upgrade mats
books, exp fodder rocks
sr doll
for pvp most of the units with the base 10%damage reduction at SR0 are fine
there are teams that only work at SR15
Combination go bruhhh
i wonder if peopl will counter those teams with jackal S1 lvls
you can use that in some teams
they really need to give us the option to combine SR dolls into upgrade mats
im swimming in SR dolls and no more R dolls
-1
You should save R doll 2-3 each kind at least for upgrading. 
not all of us are as forward thinking as you sir
solo raid at the same time as CA, for those who can participate
yep
Well, it bites you back by lowering your CP and needs more mat to fix later on.
My Moran is still sr0.

i go with the R~SR upgrade, my luck is really bad
same 
but the plan for me is to yolo it and go full offense and pray... can't split gears for certain units like rumani vs moran, rapu or grave
Defending on your luck. R0-r15 could be harder than Sr0-Sr15.
One guy on reddit went from Sr0 to SR15 with 60 blues and asked if it was that easy. 
it would be really nice if they did it like solo raid where you can swap out gear between matchesattempts
paupers dreams
free chime from NPC jail i need to hear her scream like that during matches
you this season
Do you have enough level 7+ cubes slot?
I have 5 from Resi
4 from bastion
4 from Quantum
4 from Adjust
4 from tempering
4 from Vigor
For exactly 25 slots.
Sub lv400 people should have it hard to get 25 slots alone. If they focused on Resilience first.

guilty as charged. not enough because went lvl 9 bastion and resilience. waiting for Co-Op and UR chips drop
ok one last time asking for help this week... mind is fried overthinking about CA last week i cant even remember what my better team was
mainly just which T1 is better, my T2 gets crushed regardless duie to CP deficit
i know blanc was in there beforehand in T2 but still got crushed. Noise, Alt Maiden on deck and drunk scar getting 3rd overload by the end of the day
Trina wil be ready before CA (4/7/4 rn) but not geared at all.
5 min.... nvm ill just gem it til i figure it out
usually going against his jackal team so it feeds me

to all in this week
jackal scar blanc usual team
resetting in 30 secs go focus on getting a head start 
yeh about that
emilia's just too strong
need an opinion on this. looks ok? @tropic summit
@swift mango @tropic summit my T2 is bursting just a fraction too slow... Blanc bursts but Ein and Helm both die before either can burst...
only way to burst faster is to swap trina for centi but CP takes a massive nosedive
@faint sphinx sorry but can you check if its ok? left side is mine. right is opponent
dont have noah unfortunately.
looks like ill have to wait for tmr bc i lost both
trying to build good comp on defense.. someone can help? they all have their OL + SRdoll5 (15 for dps) helm is treasure 10 all and laplaceT too
can ppl bot or automate counter hits? before last season ended I wanted to snipe the CH 1 again. Did so in the literal last minute and still got counter hit before the match screen even ended. after match screen ended season was already over
afaik u can be attacked as soon as the game finished calculating everything and the battle u are watching is just replaying the calculation
which means ppl can attack u while u're watching the battle
is Alice bursting going to get nulled by biscuit/noah teams?
rofl love making idiots waste gems in arena 
You used crown not Blanc though. Could move Jackal or HelmT to p2 to get more feeds. Ofc the other p5.

Thatโs how I see Bay too. Donโt have Noah and so bay is the next best thing
I see, so if I hit the guy in like the last 15-20 seconds he can still counter hit me even if I skip animations, because the result is already up
no i switched it back, the crown was only for CP padding. i think i made the necessary changes, will post results later since im back at C1 again
ensure T3 is 2RL (quantum on rumani), rest looks ok
nop, cant record bc i run on 3 fpm , aka 3 frames per minute
Ein > boots OL0 to OL1; Blanc S3 from 8 to 9, kept centi in
someone? ๐ ๐
It's often Ein+HelmT+Blanc+x+Jackal
If you wanted more feed.
you're using noah on the team the enemy is likely to skip at the cost of a weaker T1, post your box
This is already 2rl though. 
Well, Ein and HelmT at p1+2 should still make it a bit faster.
But I doubt it's much different
.
that's correct, battle is already calculated a few seconds after launching it, even if watching it
taking a look 
dayum anis with more CP than trina, noah, jackal and rumani 
Are you sure you didn't die to Normal attack here?
the problem is i get distracted easily... 

not enough TLC for my rabbit waifu
basically never used rumani even if she have good burst gen
that's prob why lmfao
almost time for mickey d breakfast... does your guys open at 5am in SEA too?
try with these 2 variations, start with speed var, if it breaks go for the latter (on the right)
quantum on jackal, rumani, centi
vigor on blanc, biscuit, noise, rouge
temperance on noah
any other nikke run your highest available cube
there's a 3rd variation which would turn scarlet indomless but natural 2RL glass cannon (trina), but i'd avoid it on def if these defs work
thanks
holy tysm 
where did you get this spreadsheet?
ehh? ive been using adjucant on rumani this whole time
it's gatrix burst gen calc, adds noah activation time and a bit more detailed gen phases timing
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JUiiuHysG3vlWRPVx_wT6zUwkc5Ob9n8G0azCbuwlA8/edit?gid=0#gid=0
on batteries prefer quantum, adjutant is for when you want to reach 17%CS threshold
adjutant also works better on helmT
yea i keep adjucant on Thelm... but eventually i will have to pick quantum for either rumani or trina... ill stick with adjucant on rumani for now as it's still giving me the W against scar jack team
whoa new nugget sauce at mcdonalds..."minecraft nether flame sauce"
Hello everyone, been a while since I earnestly started trying to learn PvP, I just recently got Rapunzel and Trina...so I am looking for some advice for SP arena as I am just...not confident in my team building skills. 
These are all my Nikke's as of today and the 2nd image are the teams I am thinking of using. Trina is only 4/4/4 though with her gear more or less untouched as im lacking on resources atm. So any help/suggestions would be greatly appreciated! 
that's some weird positioning in T2 and weird usage in T3 
Is Helm Treasured?
Imagine when CA out, some peeps who miraculously in CA for some reason, will go here and ask how to beat this and that, make me def teams, etc etc 
miraculously? 
now youseaspeaking my language
like I said...not confident in team building or positioning...so any advice is super welcome. 
ye taking a look 
props for making it to lvl 483 before needing advice in PVP
now my best impersination of rail:

Is Helm treasured? S1 maxed?
yeah, helm is phase 3 with 10/7/7
Cubes:
vigor on blanc, noise, biscuit, rapunzel
temperance on noah
quantum on rumani, centi, jackal
resil on s.anis, s.anis must be burst lvl 9 and have no ammo OL
other nikke run highest lvl
Notes:
run current variation (left) until your rumani and rapunzel are up to speed with CP without tanking it, then move to right table
wat if my emilia isn't good enough? put in trina in team 1, move emilia to team 2 for noise, and hope for the best?
? emilia is used as battery on defense
she doesn't need to be good
ik, I don't have 21% cs on her
that's fine, T1 is strong not because of emilia, she's just helping with battery
Yikes 
if your trina as better CP than sure go for her
you still want to burst with blanc and have scarlet linked in p1
why the F are you building doll on sugar 
then again this man thinks out of the box, surely he's cooking something 
Cool, thanks! will look into building up those units. and my emilia is at 21% already if my understanding is correct.
yeah being 21% adds value to her
can help hitting faster burst thresholds
if I build up Trina more as well, would she slot in anywhere?
to give you an idea of those CS% threshold with her
guys how much of a difference does it rly make between s1 lvl 8 and 10 on thelm ? i remember ppl saying to put her mini to lvl 8 and i wanna know if its rly useful to go all the way to lvl 10 for pvp
trina will be more useful on attack than def teams, although she can fit instead of centi in T2
would be these 2 vars
@tropic summit
Cool, well looks like I have more units to work on. SU give us more resources dangit! lol. but thanks for the advice! 
Especially doll mats...
Savin grace is that I got this after using up all my rock... My best CS line after 1+ year playing. 

@swift mango knows better than me, just gonna quote what he said:
- just subtract 2% per RL from the final result.*
Sugar will get the treasure next and CA need 5 team. I already got her 4OL since early game for Gravedigger SI.
is this garbage? I might consider swapping in RH in team 1 for rapunzel
on average, how lmany days did it take you guys to level up 10 synchro levels once past 350
didn't you have drake built already? you really need another SG with all these new batteries? ๐ค
so shes just 4% burst on 2rl ?
ask @swift mango
i run s1 lvl 10 to avoid having to math every comp
BLOOD PLEASEE
If your HelmT is s1lv7 she will Regen 2% burst gauge less each shot. So in 2RLteam with sl10 calculator you need to reduce the final result by 4%.
If you wanted it to burst at 2rl, do a 104% team at 2rl.
running 2RL scarlet without jackal is still very risky... can't recommend especially on def
T1 is fine, although will probably be skipped
T3 is very weak to enemy scarlet or enemy p1 def taunter + biscuit (SBS on def is not recommended if you got better options)
mine has it to lvl 8 so its basically the same ?
I guess so.
maybe replace SBS for RH? through that's even riskier because you would need to put Blanc to the left of RH
just changed that T1 and T3, make T2 a bit weaker by using noah elsewhere or you risk it being skipped
Gotta need as much as I could 
Sugar+Drake+Noir SG team is pretty stronk
It was my 3rd team in early arena for a few months.
as a good threshold, assume your 3 def teams need to survive these
one of the few ways to achieve that is having at least 1 indom team, 1 nuke resistant team, 1 noah team
on most use cases, people will not have all 3 but only 2
to raise your odds, try to achieve at least 2
(indom team + noah team being the most common)
20 days 
Could be faster defending on luck.

I mean 20 sorry
ok then im set to be C1 
2 days... blood im eating mickey d's here you want me to have a heart attack while eating naked and playing nikke?
( i know the answer secretly is yes but humor me)
I don't think SBS need CS that much, sure if you could reach a threshold, it's nice, but just get ATK and ELE is enough.
Ele alone should be enough considering the 140% self buff from her s3.
finally decided to mlb noah
I guess you want the best for her if she's your campaign team. But I would rather having more CP pad. Then low CP idea lines.
dont say that... i could have sworn she needed 4.9% to squeeze out an extra hit during burst... i gave up max ammo line for a low charge speed 
welp...time to go blow some more rocks

I think the 4.6% CS line should be enough if the Chinese CS chart is to be believed.

uhhh is this better? just barely 2rl on all 3 teams
What about your FPS though, I assume this calculation only happened at 60 fps.

yes yes i switched to PC just to eek out 60FPS when i was still relying on Modernia
again jackaless scarlet, plus bursting with laplace 
RNG gods give me something for SBS tonight
and pepper in p1 as SG feed, no to all 3 teams tbh 
noah is also wasted in scarlet team as you're bursting with trina
the problem is if I put scarlet with jackal I would have to give up trina
post your box
Rolled Grave again, nothing 
i swear next time i see hime imma really put a hex on him
crit rate and crit damage haunt my SBS like a ghost
@swift mango that 3rd line was already there 
if you're aiming for 3 speedy teams, this is an option you can run
alternatively make 2 2RL teams and 1 CP padded team, if opponent skips the CP pad one they're forced into 2 meta teams that will raise your odds of holding
Did you wasted 100 rock to reroll attribute locking ATK line and still can't get the CS to 4.6%?

basically... probably half went to raising atk on another piece
@keen vapor oh right, try these if you got the nikke (minus la+ treasure, use an SG instead, since ||you're bricked
|| and don't have her)
before i reroll again i should keep the ele right? the new effects
I'm not bricked 
For perspective what my bracket looks like
If you decided to scrap the CS idea then sure. 
seems like you could contest ch2
ignore any of the opponents that can simply bypass you with CP pad teams
yeah seems quite doable
no im still gonna reroll but ele still better than charge speed in general
If you wanted that CS line you might want to lock ATK+CS and reroll line 1 until you get Ele. 
ASDF defeated me first try guys 
too poor for that
I was thinking of skipping that last one
But I don't know how to deal with the first team
T1 weak to ultra stall
T2 weak to 2RL scarlet
T3 weak to 2RL scarlet
in fact T3 is a scarlet feast due to multiple water code
both T2 and T3 have got feed to help you aswell
I copy
I use Noah against Scar
Scar against Emilia
Emilia against.... Wait no, not that one
I think ASDF knows this pretty well
f it just gonna keep charge speed for now... i charge speed and ammo more anyways
go get em
T3 will not be able to even B2 
You have a better chance of Ele+ATK+CS doing that than keep locking ATK yolo and hope for both Ele+CS to appear. 
why they know your defenses by memory by now 
Rail, our defenses are too easy to read for my bracket 
but i already have 81% ele anyways
we need the wild card... le rosanna
gotta start doing sacc or funzies link deniers
I know
but I have no fodder
Only 200 attacker helmets

Is my last stash
if this doesn't works I might quit to diamond 
Well... Ele is end game stats, later on in campaign, SBS won't be doing much anyway. But Wind weak stage, she is still meta with Ele. SR and AI is a thing too.
no, there's no diamond in your vocabulary, ch10 at least 
@fathom rock oi, this mad lad just said SBS won't be doing much later in campaign, but here we are on 35%+ deficit using her 
What is true is that I'm low on rocks so not sure if I even get attack lines
Also, I have only purple mats at the moment so I can't R15 Rosanna right now
Well, Idk, people said so. Could @pale knoll for that.
He uses Alice
not SBS
SBS for waveclear
there are stages that were undoable without her
apparently yolo is not for me
Again, he goes Alice
He likes to snipe the wave itself
He did 26-25 with Alice while I had to use Scarlet 
he sent me videos where he used SBS for waveclear tho 
That Ele line is really want you to love it.

It depends tbh. Sbs kinda lacking at 40%+ deficit in off element
YOU'RE NOT LISTENING 
scarlet believer 
On-element, she's pretty good. I've never used her outside of wind weak stages in campaign
never? 
No real need for aoe. Rh and alice got you covered
can I sub in Rapunzel for Noise for a bit more cp padding?
I use her all the time cuz I low deficit 
ACTHUALLY...she's pretty handy in wiping out the mobs for harvester...leaves my quency and lewd to focus on core
wew you guys clicking hard with alice enough to be faster than SBS 
Yeah, it's alright if low deficit(34% or less)
If I used my SBS deficit would be higher. 
cuz your SBS isn't built well 
my SBS is carrying kraken
She has 4 Ele line and it's good enough for Kraken 
AI? She's not even bis there, but then again if you don't have invested water units it's fine
I discovered that I can do Kraken6 low effort 
indeed, SBS be praised
Just gotta aim properly haha
you're not abusing pause strat are you
this is the case. no doro, havent started building maid mast maid anchor
On rh burst at 40%+ I do when there are multiple mobs. But with alice I never really pause
She's worth the investment for sure
believe in the health of your fingers
that's already gone
Have her built since I was 220 sync or so

@tropic summit for perspective wat top 1 looks like
hmmmmmmmmmmmmm
what can I do if I'm gapped by 80 sync levels (and 4 jumps)?
nothing, look at them and remember how silly arena is when it comes to p2p
I think that even without deficit you will have a lot of troubles for 80 level diff
if it wasn't for deficit those are actually very doable
there's feed everywhere
T1 is glass cannon scarlet, can 2RL stall it but CP is just killing it
Watch until you see Scarlets tank Cindy no buff nuke 
we better hope champions is sync locked
can tank it and die to after nuke dmg tbf, cindy autos hurt
just remove CP penality and a lot of things would be very quite doable
even on lvl gap and core gap
i'm dealing with exactly that on 14% deficit
my 7/7/7 Ein nuke is way more effective than 10/10/10 cindy
meme idea: playable Einkk that adjusts Combat Power deficit (even going in your favor for sync locked stuff such as raids and Anomaly)
just need her to burst 0.5 seconds faster
yeah no, that's very copium 
So, my 60 levels diff whales may look like a joke to you 
I mean
Quency 444 has done better than Ein 777
I guess anything can be possible
well it is c5 ein vs c1 cindy that has terrible lines. plus always great to match against biscuit/noah teams
Odd, I'm 2nd so shouldn't I be able to see 1st place? I do not though, even with refreshes.
same cp but he is only 580 sync
thats why i was asking earlier if alice can handle biscuit noah teams... my alice is way tankier than ein
@tropic summit will Bready just be a regular sniper rifle, nothing to see here?
Does he gaps you by 200 points?
She's mini SBS if you buff her correctly
look at this mf cindy on 14% deficit 65 levels ahead 
READ: MAID ANCHOR
but doesn't that mean you are almost certainly outspeeding with 2RL Scarlet?
you can 14% deficit that level gap?
barely as you can see, almost lost 
Don't be underestimating our JK delinquent
I think he did, not anymore though not that it matters I can't win against him without noah.
I thought 2nd could always see 1st in rookie. so if the gap is 200 1st becomes immune to attempts until the gap is closed?
wdym
USERO!
Prob
I'm very confused - how do you beat this if not with a 2 sec faster nuke team? is my scarlet just shit?
noise
I thought she just taunts and gives hp to cindy?
Do you think I can possibly beat this?
I guess it depends on my quency burst but
scarlet 10/4/10, SR15
trina 1/7/4
this should wipe anything that isn't 2RL noah
if no RH throw a liter instead
btw that enemy team is very slow, it's a 4RL even 
yes
I am looking for Emilia Miranda showcase to be featured on Prydwen. If it makes it in time...
Against comps that Miranda would counter such as Noah Cindy, and definitely not some random Modernia comp.
weren't you building miranda? @swift mango
This Jackal is what rolling for 17% CS + Bad luck did to your CP... Close 100 rock on Jackal and I have this crap.... 
Bro hates me.
Nah that's is a 2months later plan. 
Uh no, it doesn't works
Trina skill level 9 btw 
Where to find Miranda builders
Sorry, I'm out of mats, can't doll Miranda 
If you sponsor me however.../s
No shir
Thanks Trina. 
Can anyone please help me deal with this ***hole... These are his current teams:
hey thats my team
And these are my more-or-less developed nikkes:
9? wasn't 7 the equivalent of blanc + RH already? ๐คจ
Emilia/RRH T1
Ignore T2
T3 is easy
No Emilia.
Should I re-roll my Rumani for only getting Charge Speed?
T3 is easy, yes, but he gets me by CP difference alone... I'm about to get Helm treasure, but still not there... She just ate 10 purple and 10 orange of my books, with 60% chance and still nothing. I'm starting to hate her...
Cindy + Noah will soak SAnis rays with Biscuit
Maybe very very very fast RRH
No, my Sanis is not very good.
My Trina is 566 right now and I use her with RH. 
ensure you're not in CP deficit, run the below, helmT needs s1 lvl 10 and stage 3, s3 preferably lvl 5 or above
Thanks, I'll save this. Working on Helm. Just need doll lvl15, extremely unlucky with her.
oh so helm not treasured
Yes, with RH is fine
Without, no
Just need to crit
Bro decides to ignore the easiest team
more like assumed on investiment that helm was treasured
No shit u literally crossed off team 3

it worked, thank you ๐
then make him the teams 
No
What character should I be working on next for pvp, W.Maiden or Noise?
why even bother typing it then 

Why are you even here anymore? Thought you quit already
indeed
Do u hate me
I guess u do
just here to nag at details but god forbid adding constructive feedback 

No, idc whether you leave or you don't 
Also, would Trina need more charge speed?
Im still here bcus look at my name
17%CS or anything literally
So I shoudl aim to only have Charge speed as a priority?
no problem you welcome 
Can't quit nikke prydwen? 
More like shouldnt
imagine quitting playing the game you still yapping daily about 
the little gremlin made me clench so hard ๐
Sutup
How come ๐
wins
always 
She is often used for 2rl team so CS isn't that need. That said, if in your 2rl team, all the battery has high CS she could benefit from having a faster 2rl team so Scarlet taking less dmg.
Why not play again then

you sure we wanna drag him back to this hell?
You dont know the state of internal affairs
he's finally healing 
if he only really left nikke entirely tho, he still has a foot in hell
imagine having to attack again 


I know u hate me
i don't hate you, but i hate the fact you nag but don't help sometimes 
Every time I say something u always resort u "I thought u quit the game"
I really can't tell who will be the other top 3 this time
but that makes it more fun
hime thanks for sharing you good luck with me
What happened 
Shift Up incentive working out huh?
wasted my last ten rocks bc of your jinxing nonsense
the race to top 4 for
arena begins 
Didja at least get something good outta it
i give you good mojo you repay me with shite
ch4 seat made of lava now
dw i'm about to do my 3 harvester runs i'm not gonna get anything
I'm going to annoy Vlad this season :pepe busy:
indeed, show him how it feels
i wanna see screencaps
This might be karma for being mean to that one dude that tried to beat you i'm ngl 
Maybe if you apologize

I wasnt rude at all
Oh right, he CP gaps me
+700k CP per team
That's not what the game says 
Say Kisenix is nice and suddenly ur bug is gone
bet i'm about to go 
guess I'll wait more
I think I could beat that on attack. You should too.

Bugged forever enjoy
But he has core max RH 
His B1 buffed Emi hurts a lot 
Doesn't really matter. I will have 2 team in range unless all his teams 730k above. 
prefer noise over maiden, although you need maiden more than noise for pve
Exelkey hates me
here have some pats
She won't hurt you if you kill her first. 
She's 2RL Noah biscuited
I have fear I proc 2nd immunity on Noah before biscuit dead
4rl Noah+Biscuit+Noise then. 
no I dont
Then say Im nice
Lame 
you're nice 
I'm at a point when all I care about is pvp, so Noise it is I guess, thanks.
Why not Cindy Blanc at that point 
Thanks now clear cache and u wont be bugged anymore 
she actually did it 
still
Again
best I can do:
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