pvp-arena

[upper grove]

or just 💳

[keen vapor]

I'm NA tho

I deal with spenders

[keen vapor]

Why NA has so many Asian spenders....

[swift mango]

Yeah,"spenders"

[eager mountain]

cuz na's gacha playerbase also have lots of asians

[upper grove]

gacha has lots of Asians

[eager mountain]

jp is insanely sweaty as always for gachas

[keen vapor]

Ok, that guy with 450 synch is crazy

[eager mountain]

kr would be the most sweaty for pvp games

[swift mango]

And you should be 421

[keen vapor]

400*

Tell them Eon

[swift mango]

You are more than 4 months before me and I'm in 361 range now. 15 level a month is pretty normal here. 401 if you slacking a bit.

[keen vapor]

[swift mango]

Well, my level is a bit unfair to common F2P... But the F2P guy behind me in my bracket 357 now.

I guess I could cut it to 351 for other average F2P...

[keen vapor]

I'm 381! Why's that wrong!

[swift mango]

You lost the core dust boxes from event for a few months, 5 month if I remembered it right. You are trying hard enough to catch up but not enough for that.

[dire root]

I wonder what a whale is doing all the way down in challenger 10.

[swift mango]

I have seen one guy in my union who started even earlier than you but played like than 3 days a week and only like 301 now.

[keen vapor]

Cool, I have 80 more

[dire root]

so many skill mats lost

I think they all whaled.

Is the entire challenger bracket whales on this account lol

[swift mango]

You account is still very new... 20 difference before 201 doesn't mean anything tbh... Like 2-3 level when you get there....

You need luck and will to focus on 5 MLB early in the beginning.

I got 5 MLB like 6 weeks in.

[dire root]

lol my main is like 2 months old and it has one MLB.

[swift mango]

And broke the wall faster than all in my bracket but the whale.

[swift mango]

My first actual banner was DKW, I MLB pull her. My 2nd and 3rd banner was Emi and Rem, I also mlb pulled them. That made me just enough to open 2 selector for sugar and Privaty to MlB.

Then all my beginner luck and pulls were gone. But does it mattered?

[vapid lake]

the scar trina team is easier to beat on defense than the scar blanc team am i right, the team dies so fast that if you can match the RL with noah you just win

[swift mango]

I was at good spot level quite anyway.

[vapid lake]

Somehow i feel like running glass cannon scar on defense is a trap

[dire root]

I used 100 pulls on Trina didn't pull her. I'm not sure where people get the pulls needed to MLB any pickup withut buying hundreds of pulls.

It bankrupts me just to pull a single pickup unit

[swift mango]

100 is enough for 1mlb with your beginner luck. You are 2months old so out of beginner luck now.

[vapid lake]

The guy in my bracket became way easier to beat when he removed blanc from his scar team for trina

[swift mango]

[vapid lake]

But there no reason for me to attack him when i dont get more gems

[dire root]

Be begginer luck you mean rerolling 54 times until you pull red hood.

which is what I did.

[swift mango]

I didnt even reroll for meta. I didn't have RH until more than 2months in.

My only pilgrim was Scarlet at 3 weeks in.

[upper grove]

my acc had beginners luck, I didn't spend in the first 2 months but had already 4/5 MLB. didn't know about reroll. my first pilgrim came after breaking the wall actually

[swift mango]

I did reroll but for Elegg, 4 times

[dire root]

Kind of afraid I bricked my self rolling Trina 100 times with failure.

she probably wasn't worth that

[upper grove]

and the pilgrim was Noah

[swift mango]

Congratulations you have the best arena unit.

🎊

[upper grove]

used all my blue tickets to MLB her as well, never pulled her again since then

[dire root]

Anyways this account is probably doomed in PvP, rolled decent PvP units but I think the entire challenger bracket is whale.

Unlucky

my main only has like 1 whale

I get most of my SSRs from molds these days

[swift mango]

If they are whale they should be 221+ by now. Didn't I mentioned my whale was the only one break the wall faster than me who did it at 6 weeks in? And he stayed 40 lv above me since I was 201 until now.

[dire root]

Even if you match them in team comp and skill investment you just get bricked by deficit.

[umbral crown]

@swift mango
He felt the 341 boost first hand

[keen vapor]

[swift mango]

Keep at it and make him invest in Arena units.

[umbral crown]

Not he needs to keep this way

Now im 342 and he is 416

Closer to 421 boost

But i wonder if he is building nero, moran and quiry

[dire root]

Make him? At that level wouldn't you already have deep investment into PvP units. Since you would be done with a lot of the PvE units.

[umbral crown]

Seee, just 100k cp away missing 361 and 381 boost

[keen vapor]

H
O
W

[umbral crown]

Hacks

[keen vapor]

How can I pad when my RH doesn't has a 4th ele

[umbral crown]

Imagine having RH

Could not be me

[swift mango]

Well, they could just use PvE units to CP press, no reason to invest in arena units.

My whale barely OL his arena units because I keep hitting him. His rock and dolls should all go to campaign units.

He could choice the easy way of getting 10 more level to make it 60 level gap now... But it's seems he wanted to keep it at 40 level gap...

He only made it 50 lv gap because he wanted to gap the guy 10 level above me by 40 level...

[dire root]

WHAT

now hold up

I'm playing that fight out next time

how in the hell did they do that

[shell hazel]

replay bottom left sir

[dire root]

Oh that's how, I miss read their combat power.

[swift mango]

My RH only have 2 Ele and 137k CP....

[dire root]

I assume they are combat power crushing, that is a lot of combat power holy. I'm not sure why Mana is on there though.

[keen vapor]

[dire root]

I mean the assumption is that they would have other higher invested PvE units with more combat power.

[keen vapor]

Show her lines! Do it!

[shell hazel]

need more dusty

[swift mango]

2 hit rate lines, it looks bad.

[keen vapor]

ME TOO

[shell hazel]

5 days 1 bonus rock only, thanks AI 🙂

[swift mango]

SR15 and max out skill. 5531 for gears.

MLB as well

[dire root]

Oh smart I see what they did there.

they pumped 1 round full of all their combat power, then another with a team comp hard to counter.

[keen vapor]

Same

[keen vapor]

Not same

[pale knoll]

[shell hazel]

common tactic when you can't build 3 good teams, you do 2 good teams and build 3rd for cp

[umbral crown]

I wonder what my whale thinks of me, gemming a lot just to send him to c2

[pale knoll]

[umbral crown]

Lost count but i should be around 3.5k in the last 3 days

[swift mango]

Maybe you should keep gemming to a halt unless you planning on getting c1 this season by all means....

[umbral crown]

Si, will keep till he gaps me completely

But if theres a chance i will take it

[dire root]

This is rare for me. Man this guy sucked he lost the round I gave up.

not sure how

[umbral crown]

Maybe before shuffle he gonna show a stall team then its over

[pale knoll]

La gran muralla china

[umbral crown]

But before he started attacking when i beat him before season ended he took a 1 week stay in c2 and came back with some max core unts

Helm and laplace treasure

[umbral crown]

Si

[pale knoll]

Where the pfp from?

Is it the burst animation of gacha skin?

[midnight marsh]

Hmm, is defense setup with Nero Moran HelmT Rapunzel decent as a third team or honestly not good enough? Is Quiry good as the fifth Nikke in that team or is it better to have Helm be the sniper and have someone else instead

[thorn pagoda]

by the way #pvp-arena
a whale isn't just a player with a much higher level over somebody else. a whale is also someone who buys every single gacha costume, event pass, and gems / frequent purchases from the money store (doesn't have to be levels)

especially advanced recruitment vouchers

[umbral crown]

Gacha skin

Hope you did not miss it

[pale knoll]

I'm f2p

[swift mango]

A whale in Arena is specifically about level. I have a lv bricked player in my local medal bracket with tons of costume. Doe sit matter? No

[pale knoll]

Helm best waifu so

[thorn pagoda]

do they have almost every nikke maxed out with 7 stars? 😮

[swift mango]

A whale in a game like Rise of Kingdom needed to spend upward of 10000 dollar a month to be called a whale there but does it matters in this game? no

[umbral crown]

A whale is a whale

[shell hazel]

[thorn pagoda]

🐳

[umbral crown]

Imagine we all kinda started about same time but has 70+ levels over most of us

Its a sigm

[swift mango]

No but their units showed all has core+ ofc.

[umbral crown]

[shell hazel]

can tell from their server id mostly, goes up sequentially

[umbral crown]

Si, c7 helm, laplace, rapipi, cindy, sanis...

[umbral crown]

Sbs as well i think

[shell hazel]

guy in 2nd who is +10-12 levels on me is 6 servers lower than me on id so we started a similar time, not sure how often they add new ones

but the account level is almost +20 on me as well, not sure you even can really whale for that

[umbral crown]

Wanna be like him when i grow up

I wanna whale levels to keep having fun

[junior briar]

Of you can

[umbral crown]

[junior briar]

Whale = push higher campaign = more exp

[shell hazel]

account levels not sync levels?

yeah a bit, they're a bit ahead of me but not loads

[junior briar]

Check their campaign progress versus yours

[shell hazel]

yeah it's about 2 chapters ahead atm, but they pushed past 261 and behemoth as well

[swift mango]

My CN whale is pretty cheapo, he only pulled units to MLB and stopped.

That's why my Emi core+1 will always higher than his Emi MlB...

[junior briar]

All makes sense then

[shell hazel]

i'm end of 34 they're end of 36, hard is similar, they probably got walled in 19

[swift mango]

Not enough investment and didn't crit.

LapT with max doll, naturally high star and buffed from noise.

[junior briar]

Dolled up Laplace
Plus electric deal 10% less damage to iron

[swift mango]

Deal less dmg to iron? First time I heard about this.

It should not be...

[junior briar]

Oh wait im just capping

Soery im half asleep

Pve enemies deal 10% more damage to you when counter code
You always do 100% damage

Gtg sleep now

[swift mango]

Not good enough unless mega investment. But at same invest a wiping team would just wipe them all the same.

It's for a reason only Merry has ever successfully used Nero in their def team... But with ReiT, Cindy and Trina+scarlet around? It getting harder and harder.

But Arena is all about out investment and out level the enemies anyway. In that sense Nero is good as any.

[onyx scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/no-sleep-staying-up-insomnia-coffee-weak-gif-21941823

[visual willow]

I was looking at this team, can I replace blanc for p1 or p2 since she is listed in each party?

[midnight marsh]

Thanks, I see. I have a blanc nuke team and a noah nuke team set up. I was trying to think of what b2 to use for the third team and started investing in Nero and the stall pieces (they're at 7 on skills and OLed), and was wondering if I should keep committing. The other option was Bay b2. I guess typically people would use Trina as the third b2 now? I've been using her as battery for one of the first two nuke teams.

[umbral crown]

Blood was the whale all along

[umbral crown]

They are but they need max doll, max skill and good lines. If well invested bursting with quiry first can survive cindy nuke

My nero team always survives cindy burst , sbs , sanis..s just do not use ut against scarlet or emi nuke, the rest you can win

Team to work properly needs really high investment

[midnight marsh]

Nice. Makes sense

[umbral crown]

Yep

[pale knoll]

[umbral crown]

Maxing that team will require you stop investing in pve units for a while

[dire root]

What happens if your rank changes mid fight and you win, do you get the attempt back?

[bronze prawn]

Any good comps with these characters? Only missing Rapunzel. Anne. Flora. Maid Anchor. A2. Makima. Power

[crystal flicker]

your PvP unit is uninvested and I don't see HelmT

[crystal flicker]

iirc yes

[raven plover]

you cant do that anymore, they fixed it

[dire root]

Wdym can't? Someone can't attack you if you are mid fight with another person.

[raven plover]

if you in fight the one trying to hit you gonna get a warning that youre in battle / rank changed

[dire root]

Oh

[raven plover]

yea we no longer can do that because the 100 rank ladder back then

cant do this anymore

basically youre camping the battle screen

[vapid lake]

No way ppl actually set on the battle screen for 3 hours

[raven plover]

just set 1 unit def and let people hit you, then atk your target

that guy cheating anyway so yea

[keen vapor]

Tf

[astral kayak]

you copy the priconne concept of laddering lolz

[raven plover]

yea, I used this as well just not as much as this. well I was a priconne player

[keen vapor]

This is not fun, I'm essentially out of top 6 already

Strangely enough, Abathur is not worried about dropping to c9 in the slightest

[crystal flicker]

These are temporary comp(s):

Scarlet Blanc RH Naga/Flex Jackal
Blanc => Trina, more buff(s) for Scarlet and faster Nuke
Flex : CP Pad or burst gen (Just make sure Scarlet and RH are the highest attack)

Tia Noah Emilia/SAnis Pepper Drake
Ideally you want to use Noah Biscuit SAnis Flex Rumani, flex for cp pad or burst gen

Crown Liter Cindy Centi Noir // or just auto for cp pad team

Your priority is to get Helm Treasured since she used both in PvE and PvP
Other Nikke to invest:
RL Battery (at least minimum investment): Jackal, Noah, Trina, Rumani, Anis SR, Emilia
Buffer: Biscuit (is a must), Noise, XMaiden

Minimum investment: 4OLs, SR Doll lv5

You can ask again after getting those Nikke(s) minimum investment for proper PvP team

[umbral crown]

cp issues

[keen vapor]

I'm rerolling RH already

[coarse lake]

[umbral crown]

you should be on your way to 2m

[keen vapor]

:hu tao why:

[coarse lake]

Remind me again how many lvls worth of core dust you got rn

[keen vapor]

11? Haven't farmed 1-11

So, 13,14

[umbral crown]

[upper zephyr]

is rapunzel still a pvp meta nikke or not really

[visual willow]

Can anyone help again with my SP Def? I keep getting knocked down I have Quantum lvl 8, T.Helm and T.Laplace

[keen vapor]

She can heal and she can resurrect

390 Nier Collab

[upper zephyr]

when was nier collab?

[keen vapor]

Before JK
Before Quiry
Before first anni

[umbral crown]

[keen vapor]

That's like +421, 430 even

[umbral crown]

quiry that old

[upper zephyr]

beginning september 23, so bawk started atleast 6 months before i did and only 60 levels higher

[upper grove]

is there any major flaw with the def comps I'm trying to build? bracket has no emilia nor sanis

if I try the meme soda trina scar build I could go Scar Soda Trina Anis Jackal for 2.5RL, should be 2RL with feed and quantum. Anis tanks my stats a lot already though, idk about adding soda who needs to get OL as well

[coarse lake]

T1 where b1

[upper grove]

huh I forgot

replaced maiden with noise, Noah Noise Cindy Thelm Centi 2RL

anis centi I can swap around depending on stats, my cindy and helm are better built atm, centi instead of anis still 2RL with quantum

[tulip quest]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1314994208691589192/1351973121736970351/km_20250319_480p_15f_20250319_230735.gif?ex=67dc5296&is=67db0116&hm=c0a19ebc213f627935d00a4d071bcea9c38056993dcc8b36d1af89e0ee2fb97b&

Legend says it EXIST! (Hopefully 2025 lol)

cause they said late March but march 26 calendar no C.A in sight

[rich quail]

It’s 2035

Around the time of Nikke 1.5

[tulip quest]

Maybe shift up realized it GIVES GEMS

[crystal flicker]

Scarlet Blanc RH Noir Jackal
Noah Biscuit SAnis Emilia/Rosanna Rumani (2RL Emilia or 3RL Rosanna)
Noise Centi Cindy HelmT XMaiden
More variations:
#pvp-arena message

[bronze prawn]

thanks

[swift mango]

As old as @keen vapor account.

[umbral crown]

that makes sense

[crystal flicker]

For the first time he login multiple times a day

[keen vapor]

:Quiry huh:

[umbral crown]

C4?

[keen vapor]

For now

[keen vapor]

It won't get me top 6 anyways

Not if C6 doesn't gets down to c9 again

[tropic summit]

can you retain any of ch4-ch5-ch6?

[keen vapor]

I think he saw that

At least he's gemming..... I guess?

[tropic summit]

if he's gemming don't duel him

[kind palm]

using soda yet?
rng their gem more

[keen vapor]

I need to overload Trina first

I'm broke on credits

And even more so on fodder

[kind palm]

buy cash shop upgrade mats

[tropic summit]

[kind palm]

whale solution

[keen vapor]

I'm broke irl too

[kind palm]

same

[tropic summit]

there's only one option left

[keen vapor]

Please sponsor

[tropic summit]

and that is to and hit former ch4 and actual ch5

[keen vapor]

You blind I've been hitting C4 the entire time

[tropic summit]

if anything to duel gemmers, self destructive

[keen vapor]

Former is on c9!

And C5 is..... Big

[tropic summit]

then ch6 it is

[kind palm]

staying 3 or 6 don’t usually guarantee that tier reward if people fighting cuz those that trade between for example like 4 vs 7 and 5 vs 8 might get more points than your spot at end season

[keen vapor]

Really big
Notorious Big

[keen vapor]

I'll try C3 for fun I think

[tropic summit]

they need to retain that position for more than 12h, else you actually gain more by holding

12h+5
12h-5
= 0

[keen vapor]

I already know my disadvantage bc I got demoted to diamond at the start of season

[swift mango]

You should be able to hit him if you aren't 🧱

[tropic summit]

that seems a possibility

[keen vapor]

920k!

[tropic summit]

best case scenario vlad hits you again from ch4 to ch3

[kind palm]

I see people double hopping too like instead of like 4 vs 7
they hop higher to 1-3 for some time before getting hit down

[tropic summit]

and you get your ch4 back temporarely

[keen vapor]

[tropic summit]

the real solution: release CA so we can give less Fs about SP arena

[grizzled bone]

get rid of pvp altogether

[keen vapor]

Solution is new def now choose, Scarlet Alter 2 RL or Cindy 4 RL
Both Indom

[crystal flicker]

CA only make people mald SP harder due to requirements

[kind palm]

still bi weekly gems but we might just get more competitive on both

[swift mango]

They still want whale to whale for core dust.

Need to think about profit before release any game mode.

[crystal flicker]

Can imagine the chaos if CA only for Top 1 from each bracket

[tropic summit]

does vlad have trina

[swift mango]

Double on powercreep new units maybe or may not give them more money.

[finite wedge]

champions only in champion arena

[keen vapor]

Not yet on defense

[tropic summit]

then maybe you could run 4RL

SBS 2RL gets countered by biscuit + p1 taunter anyway

[kind palm]

run sg and 2.5RL
there’s only 1 jackal to feed the whole family

[keen vapor]

[tropic summit]

SGs are weak to both scarlet and biscuit though, 1 team biscuit 1 team scarlet and bayonara

[keen vapor]

My only good SG are Noir and Summer Anis, as you can see they do not go well together

[kind palm]

at least they work like gen so your B1-3 can do their thing fast enough

[keen vapor]

Not Summer Anis, no

[tropic summit]

echo has reached the point where:

-can't CP pad because bricked
-can't def normally because opponents know all of their def
-can't do more powerful defs cuz no proper stall teams, no rosanna

[kind palm]

5 teams not enough clipRL

[swift mango]

Can't win because bricked.

This is all you need to say.

[tropic summit]

he's CP bricked, not bricked though

[finite wedge]

my bracket is still mostly casual with people not really forming proper attack teams yet

[keen vapor]

I HAVE ROSANNA
WHAT I DON'T HAVE IS EXP GEAR AND CREDITS

[finite wedge]

[tropic summit]

is she 7/10/10 SR15 30-40atk%?

[swift mango]

He is synch level bricked. More bricked than you.....

[keen vapor]

Ok, I have no mats either

[tropic summit]

dafuq i'm not even bricked what you on about

[kind palm]

real bricked is others have emilia noah biscuit jackal scar and you don’t have them
and emilia is perma bricked

[tropic summit]

get on my progression level at least

[umbral crown]

hmm

[tropic summit]

real brick was stuck for weeks on MW

[kind palm]

then they collab rezero again somehow

[swift mango]

We are same level synch and I started 1 month after you

[tropic summit]

emilia is only good on attack, not having the others on the other hand RIP

[swift mango]

Progression quite I'm not behind your speed.

[umbral crown]

[kind palm]

still need her gen

[umbral crown]

re zero rerun jus for emi gacha

[tropic summit]

you're gemming every single dispatch and doing regular wipes, i'd rather keep gems

[umbral crown]

[finite wedge]

remilia

[umbral crown]

or spend them on sp

[swift mango]

You are at map 27 right? Or 28 now?

[tropic summit]

i'm at map your mom

[kind palm]

I’m at SR level 14 doll on Laplace and I don’t have enough gold kits

[tropic summit]

don't give them ideas, let Echo remain pure

[kind palm]

10x daily wipeout

[tropic summit]

consider SU trend so far, i'd say gen is gonna be less and less of a problem

it's far more concerning the unbalance between attack and def, with trina now you've to have 3 2RL teams resistant to nuke

[swift mango]

When SP can have strong 2rl team x3 is when get CA.

[kind palm]

yeah if 3 teams then another clipRL gonna make team 3 more flexible and still triple2RL

[swift mango]

[tropic summit]

it's ridicolous

[keen vapor]

@remilia..... Uh, which one

[umbral crown]

echo has 282k gems, not that he will run out of them. he was doing disp. and stuff with the free gems to convert them in core dust

[tropic summit]

this one

[keen vapor]

Deleted user

[tropic summit]

[umbral crown]

[crystal flicker]

[swift mango]

[tropic summit]

he has gone to a better place

[umbral crown]

[keen vapor]

..... So, still there?

[tropic summit]

parents probably found out his ridicolous spending on gacha games

[swift mango]

No it's just my chat with the account....

[finite wedge]

[keen vapor]

So , the laugh was for....

[swift mango]

Idk

[tropic summit]

the last words i've heard from him

new year new me kind of thing probably?

[keen vapor]

Hopefully

[swift mango]

4 days before you...

[tropic summit]

wow.

🤨

[keen vapor]

We don't want to think that

[tropic summit]

think it was just a fresh restart anyway

[keen vapor]

Surely that's not the reason he tried to sponsor me

[tropic summit]

16 years old do silly things

[crystal flicker]

It's not a good habit to talk about those who already gone

[keen vapor]

[crystal flicker]

He'll be back surely lol, someday

[tropic summit]

missed your chance at being a whale without being a whale

[finite wedge]

i can count the pixels in that, what on earth

[swift mango]

Should have let him sponsor you with 300000 core dust.

[tropic summit]

could've been the whale of your bracket

and yet here you are, stuck in your wrong timeline

[keen vapor]

No, it was nitro

[tropic summit]

oh nitro...

[keen vapor]

In retrospective, he probably wanted exclusive frame

[swift mango]

I have Trina+ReiT and didn't even upgrade them...

Man, resources are hard to come by...

SR5 them + Miranda just to rot...

[crystal flicker]

Helm burst can get taunted yeah

[kind palm]

1 higher burst level

[umbral belfry]

@tropic summit rapu just came home

cooking soon?

[coarse lake]

well what burst is she at rn

[swift mango]

Not enough for that 30% obviously

[kind palm]

also what class is the enemy
supporter? attacker?

but usually attacker if you don’t use her against full defender

would be sadder if that’s water ele

[coarse lake]

does anyone by any chance happen to have a 2.5rl bay comp vs a 2rl scar nuke

[swift mango]

Unless that 2.5rl is actually 2.2-2.3rl, I don't see how it matters.

[coarse lake]

it's like 2.4rl rn

I'm mainly wondering who has more delay on their activation, bay link or scar nuke

it won't make her kill

yeah that's a double crit

[coarse lake]

.... am I crazy that I kinda wanna try my luck on trina dupes

got 150 pulls rn

[quick lake]

crazy

[small lotus]

what units should i put in my pvp team (special arena if i remember also some exter units i dont have on machine)

[kind palm]

need to wonder if scar comp is 1.9 or faster RL speed or not too

[coarse lake]

that's very difficult, so not a worry

[quick lake]

Stalk bla bla

[small lotus]

can someone answer this?

[quick lake]

Crown RH Naga Anchor Jackal
Alice Noir Drake Anis Liter
Auto

[small lotus]

rest just auto?

[quick lake]

Still missing key pvp units. Can focus on getting helmT

Wishlist Noah Scarlet Centi Rumani, eventually Trina

[spring holly]

What is SP Arena Point used for?

Can I buy something with them?

[strong hull]

@swift mango blood kun need backup

[crystal flicker]

The red chip is only for end season ranking, to determine your position and reward

[wicked horizon]

The "last online x hours ago", is that only in guilds? I can't scout random people with more accuracy than a day?

I hit a guy, and then he hit me and the guy above as well, so now he's out of my reach.
I know the guy he hit can get back at him, but I don't know when.

I'd love to hit him again now that he has no hits left, but I fear I may be waiting too long.

[tardy canopy]

I saw an opportunity

[tardy canopy]

If you search the user in friends list (better if using ID than the nick) you can see how much hours have passed since last login

[fallow nebula]

Is trina scarlet a valid pvp defense team or offense only?

[quick lake]

Valid for both defence and offence. Scarlet-Trina pairing is overall good

[fallow nebula]

Hard countered by noah no?

[quick lake]

All AOE nukes are hard countered by Noah

[fallow nebula]

Fair enough

Level priority?

444?

[quick lake]

U can run Scar Blanc RH, but at best it will be 2.5RL and loses to 2RL Scar Trina

[fallow nebula]

1044?

[quick lake]

Trina - 1/7/4 -> 1/10/4 should be enough

[fallow nebula]

1???

And trina isnt bursting so 1/10/1?

[quick lake]

Trina needs to burst to proc s2

[fallow nebula]

O

Burst levels no good?

[quick lake]

Its alright. Doesnt scale as much as s2.

s2 at lv10 is 94%. lv4 is like 60%?
s3 lv10 is only 20%

priority is s2>Burst>s1

[spare nimbus]

Which would be better for sp defense?

[fallow nebula]

I prefer biscuit with cindy/noah

[pale knoll]

You are in my bracket

[spare nimbus]

Who r u

[quick lake]

Fight fight fight

[spare nimbus]

And plz dont attack me

I am already tired of fighting apollo and that other asian guy

[quick lake]

Both are fine. Not that big a difference imo

Defence easily cracked now

[pale knoll]

Nah you are cooked now

[spare nimbus]

Bruhhhh

[kind palm]

built rosanna?

[wicked horizon]

Doro pointer
Thanks

[grand plaza]

Which one do you think is better? Pretty much same cp

[eager mountain]

Right one without a doubt

[arctic basalt]

Need help building a good arena team to stay in top 1🥲 (both sp and rookie arena btw)

[steady jetty]

Between trima vs anis which one is better?

[swift mango]

In the case both team could survive, team 1 could easily be 3rl.

Team 2, probably stop at 4rl unless getting feed a lot.

If this is SPA, biscuit probably better off in another team. Both team are feed heaven anyway...

[tropic summit]

turns out my ch1 is afterall human and actually sleeps sometimes

either that or his script malfunctioned this time

[upper zephyr]

Depends do you have scarlet?

[steady jetty]

yeah

[upper zephyr]

Trina is better shes like scarlets battery

[steady jetty]

yes

is she wortth pulling tho ?

[tropic summit]

taking a look

[steady jetty]

or just wait from normal banner

[upper zephyr]

Personally, i'd wait for normal but if you are big on pvp then its a must pull

[tropic summit]

throw anis in sync for starters

[upper zephyr]

With trina you have to look at it this way:
She's only viable if you have scarlet and even then its just for pvp as she is less useful in pve, you got a new pilgrim who is almost guarenteed to be a meta addition in the 2.5 anni and trina gets added into standards so you will get anyways

[steady jetty]

next banner half anni ?

[tropic summit]

sbs blanc alice anis jackal
naga liter ein centi rumani
helm laplace noir rosanna folkwang

notes:

wishlist/build/get: noah, biscuit, trina, helm treasure, rapunzel

[upper zephyr]

Probably 1 more small banner then 2.5 anni, last year happened end of april

[steady jetty]

thanks

[arctic basalt]

Thank you

Im going to have to build these first which will take while😅

[steady jetty]

between laplae with treasure and xmaiden, which one is better ?

[tropic summit]

as batteries they serve the same purpose
as off-burst, laplace hits harder, even more so being iron on an elec code dominated scene (like arena)

[upper zephyr]

Outside of helm treasure i wouldnt worry to much about heavy investing in pvp teams, still keep your focus mainly on pve to push story content so you can get better materials

[steady jetty]

thanks

[tropic summit]

use helm with cindy, pointless to make 2RL emi as you make it easier for opponent running 3RL noah over 4RL noah

the 3RL version forcing a 4RL version at least requires the opponent to know what they doing, while cindy on 3RL has become very weak due to nerf, cindy 2RL can still pose a bit more of pressure at least

[spare nimbus]

Should i also replace viper with xmaiden since she feeds too much?

Or maybe laplace

[tropic summit]

no concern on that 2RL scarlet team as it's dead regardless of feed or not

that team is hit or miss

[spare nimbus]

Ok

I replaced viper with treasure laplace for now to avoid feed

[tropic summit]

won't matter much, the feed is the least of your problem on that one

either way teams are overall fine

assume you've to survive 2RL scar-trina and 2RL noah stall

in your case it's already a fail, but that's still the best you can do without CP padding a team

defending nowdays is near impossible against equally invested/skilled opponent

[spare nimbus]

Changed to this now

Also how would i beat this team?

I can always beat team 2, but team 3 is sometimes 50/50 since rh gets indom in her burst

[tropic summit]

ironically you just need to use the same teams that would exactly beat your defense

your teams are on the table to the left

[spare nimbus]

These are 2 previous attempts i made on that guy

But this was before he added trina, he had centi before

On the second vid, his rosanna killed my emilia and helm before noah could burst

[shell hazel]

@tropic summit

[lusty gull]

show hit to show more data available @coarse lake
i keep hit data and add burst gen feed jackal

[swift mango]

That's not 2rl Emi.

[swift mango]

2.5-3rl Cindy can still force a Noah and be very tanky with all the possibility defensive buff all the same. It's 2rl Cindy getting weaker only imo.

I have 60 standard pull.... Hope I could get some good arena dupes after next patch... My whale decided he would lv pad me now I guess.

Still able to win him 3/3 for now at 52lv difference...

[shell hazel]

I have 85 standard tickets but my luck on these is poor

I can wait some maybe until anni, and hopefully Trina etc added to wishlist then

[wicked horizon]

Waiting paid off, he's online.
Hope he takes his PvP spot back.

They really should figure out some way to make PvP not be this weird timing-based thing.

I'm actually curious, has anyone seen a good idea be proposed, how PvP could be fixed, if it was done from the ground up?

[spare nimbus]

I mean a simple solution for that problem would be to just remove the ability to see when blocked players were last online

[wicked horizon]

My question was completely separate from the image.
That is far from the biggest issue in PvP.

[spare nimbus]

Yeah i was talking about this

[unique wagon]

You cant

Almost all games with pvp are time based

[wicked horizon]

Got an optimist in here. =y

No, most PvP games are... not...?

They're skill based, with a dash of luck.

[spare nimbus]

Well pvp in nikke is more unit investment than skill

It’s not like other games like an fps

[unique wagon]

Sir ure talking about time of attacks etc, suddenly u switch subject to skills/luck/battleoutcome. Pick one topic and stick to it.

[wicked horizon]

I'm talking about fixing PvP.

[spare nimbus]

What needs to be fixed

U have to bring up an issue first

[wicked horizon]

I think most people would like it to be skill-or-investement-based.

Instead of timing your attacks and hoping people don't gang up on you, etc.

[unique wagon]

You cant do that in an auto pvp

[spare nimbus]

^

[wicked horizon]

I'm not sure.

[spare nimbus]

Then what do you suggest

[wicked horizon]

Well, I don't have any great ideas, which is why I asked.

Surely someone's thought they had a brilliant fix.

[unique wagon]

probably modifiers/options/bans

[spare nimbus]

I don’t exactly get what ur trying to say

[wicked horizon]

Look, let's take the two currently existing PvP modes - rookie and SPA.

[kind palm]

so instead of timing during the match to land hits like fighting games
it’s you playing pvp all day
and when you are not there it’s like your guard dropped

[spare nimbus]

Ur raising complaints but not specifying, without any suggestions I don’t exactly know how to answer

[wicked horizon]

Well, in synchronous PvP games, people can't fight you when you're not there.

[unique wagon]

Which u can cheese by not going online

[spare nimbus]

Neither can they 🤷‍♂️ if they hit u when ur away, then hit them when they’re away

Also the “last login” isn’t completely accurate, I’m pretty sure it just updates whenever u go back to the homescreen, so technically u could just leave nikke open in the arena on ur pc all day and attack while appearing offline

[wicked horizon]

I think most people would agree that one has at least a marginally better system than the other in terms of how rankings are decided. (But you can tell me which you think it is, if you want to verify.)

[wicked horizon]

So I'd argue that there are better and worse systems for how to implement PvP. And I also think it's not a stretch to say that the current system is not the best one.

[unique wagon]

Rookie arena is similar to most pvp games

You attack stronger enemies = win = more points

But no it wont ever be skill based as intense as most games

[kind palm]

if nikke pvp meta is def favored then whoever steal the spot and make better def will usually win and it might be a resource management battle in leveling and upgrades etc.

[spare nimbus]

I mean nikke isn’t exactly a game like others where u can grind however long u want

[unique wagon]

But even rookie arena is biased in time as well because u must be active in the last 30 mins to abuse

[spare nimbus]

Once u reach a certain point u hit walls and can only wait to level up

[wicked horizon]

Yeah, but in most other PvP games, grinding PvP doesn't actually make your rank go higher (it only does because you learn to play as you grind, or the system is intentionally milking you for attention).

[spare nimbus]

So if it’s not like other games, i don’t see why it should function like other games where it is “skill based”

[wicked horizon]

I mean, rookie arena is clearly the worse of the two.

[unique wagon]

Its the better lmao

[spare nimbus]

Especially when luck is a huge part of it (getting good rolls on ur OL, doll leveling, etc)

[wicked horizon]

Well, I retract my statement about everyone agreeing which is the better PvP game mode then.

[unique wagon]

Altho a mix between rookie and sp is best

[bleak shale]

after playing pvp for 2 years i have come to the conclusion

pvp just sucks in general

both modes

[wicked horizon]

And the conversation is moot, because clearly even with a good solution to PvP, some people would not appreciate it.

[unique wagon]

Reward Points are given based on your current standing, but also the Ranking system should work like Rookie.

[bleak shale]

the gems dont suck tho

[spare nimbus]

Then give us a good suggestion?

[primal charm]

explain i play 4 month and quite enjoy it

[kind palm]

rookie point system is a bit more resistant to opponent colluding compared to not gemming for extra hits in sp

[bleak shale]

nomatter what u do when both people know how it works u just lose and end up playing "i know when this person is active"

[wicked horizon]

I have never at any point claimed to have the answers, nor have I said that the devs have done a bad job, why are you pestering me for a solution? =|

[bleak shale]

and then your just changing ur life schedule to pvp

[unique wagon]

Make that u cant hit the same enemy twice, and must hit enemy within a range of ranks from you.

[bleak shale]

until some1 caves and gems or starts buying coredust and then you just dont get to play anymore

[spare nimbus]

U literally said we need to fix pvp, implying that there are issues

[wicked horizon]

But okay, fine, let me spitball a PvP system.

[wicked horizon]

There are, yes.

[primal charm]

wait we just cant defense at high sync?

[wicked horizon]

The current main problems are both the attacker advantage and timing-based PvP, yes?

[bleak shale]

its impossible to defend 2 of 3 teams when the enemy is able to see your team and build a team specifically against it

its like rock paper scissors but you show ur hand first

[wicked horizon]

We can remove both of those by making it so that people can not declare attacks themselves.

People assemble their team or teams, change them whenever they want, and at the end of the day, for like 15 minutes or idk how long it takes, the teams are locked, and battles are automatically simulated between players.

[primal charm]

oh i see, then who login more will have more point isnt it?

[spare nimbus]

The timing isn’t exactly something SU can control, especially on a global server where not everyone is awake at the same time

[unique wagon]

Best is:

• Rookie Arena system but rewards are calculated like SpArena; the longer you hold a position, the more points, etc.
• Winning against higher rank enemies yields more points, and losing against them loses less. Vice versa against lower rank enemies.
• Cannot hit the same enemy twice.
• (Optional) Can only hit within a certain rank of you.
• Brackets are shuffled within a range of 5 PvP close-by servers. Players are switched around within those servers. So every cycle, you get to fight different enemies and meet different allies.

[bleak shale]

specifically whoever knows the other person's schedule via "last login", if i hit right before they go to bed or work then i get free hours holding it

[bleak shale]

as a person who did this, also negative fun shuffling teams at the end of the day

pretty sure it was negative fun for my opponent too

[wicked horizon]

Why would you shuffle your teams?

[bleak shale]

if i shuffle teams every 1s how do u fight the right team

[kind palm]

would be cool if that’s the incoming champion arena

[bleak shale]

we just play roulette, u hope you hit the right team

[wicked horizon]

You don't. You don't choose who you fight under this system.

[unique wagon]

For example, this cycle I fight against server 5500, 5501, 5504, 5508. Next cycle against 5502, 5503, 5504, 5505.

[bleak shale]

in current SP

[wicked horizon]

I'm not talking about current SPA.

[primal charm]

have you all played afk arena? that game have a good pvp mode

[unique wagon]

And this shud change every 2 weeks not 3 months.

[unique wagon]

The best games that invest in PvP usually make tierings.

[wicked horizon]

This still allows ganging up on people and incentivizes logging on just before the reset to do your hits, and still has attacker advantage.
It doesn't really solve any of the problems, even if it's slightly better. (Actually, debatable if it's even better than the current SPA.)

[unique wagon]

Like Diamond I, Diamond II, Diamond III

You promote and demote

For example

[wicked horizon]

Promotions and demotions are not actually a good system for good matchmaking.
They're good systems for making people feel good about themselves.

[unique wagon]

• Challenger I: 30 players, 20 gets to stay, 10 get to demote. 3000 gems.
• Challenger II: 30 players, 10 gets to promote, 10 get to stay, 10 demote. 2900 gems.

And so on.

[spare nimbus]

For rookie, it is point based, so I think it works perfectly fine as is. You already get higher points when you win against an enemy with more points, and less when you win against an enemy with lower points. Rookie arena isn’t cp based at all, it is based on points. So even if you beat someone with higher cp, it less useful if they have less points anyway. Which is why in rookie arena you have to be strategic in who you hit, focusing on hitting people with more points instead of low points. Also the people highest in rookie usually only get the same people in rookie that they can hit. I’m usually within top 2-5, and i always get the same opponents

[unique wagon]

Its good for grouping people who invest and who dont.

[raven plover]

one of possibility for CA. atk team = def team, fixed teams auto battle but yea you still gonna shuffle a bit before the battle time starts to "counter" their def unless they also shuffle their teams.

I played a r18 game with this pvp

[spare nimbus]

Get this bot outta here

[raven plover]

LMAO

[wicked horizon]

This the r18 game you played?

[raven plover]

the timing

[spare nimbus]

Oh shit hoboman ur here i need ur help cause u helped me out last time too

[keen vapor]

<@&946725432554836008>

[unique wagon]

<@&946725432554836008>

You beat me

[keen vapor]

Man, I had to write the full name, I'm clearly not winning a who's fastest

[wicked horizon]

There can be a little bit of that, but generally it would be too random to guess.
You can't know which of your teams goes against which of the enemy's teams, and you'd be fighting several different enemies too. Can't really make teams to counter all... idk... 30 possible teams you could go up against.

[spare nimbus]

How do i beat this guy @raven plover these are previous attemps i made as well

[swift mango]

Is discord invite not allowed?

[spare nimbus]

Except now he has trina and replaced centi

[unique wagon]

Use Soda against Noise Noah :stonks:

[keen vapor]

NSFW not allowed

[raven plover]

yea but not everyone has the investment, you prolly gonna end up fighting 2 or 3 people with investments unless they make it "who has the most win, win the match"

[swift mango]

But it's a discord channel rather than link to a nsfw image?

[unique wagon]

CA will be tournament based I bet

[wicked horizon]

Fair point, but even if that 30 becomes 10, I'd say it's still plenty difficult to really make counter teams.

[raven plover]

noise noah for their rosa

trina redhood for their emi?

[wicked horizon]

It's a phishing site, that's why it's not allowed.

[swift mango]

Reference to other game it would be just set your 5 teams and random battle others' 5 teams.

[unique wagon]

Tournament based means like the system decides who u will fight with.

[swift mango]

Can discord channel be phish site?

[swift mango]

That's what I said.

But add to that, you don't get to decide which of your team fight which of theirs... Ofc they don't get to decide as well.

[wicked horizon]

It's been 30 minutes, he still hasn't taken his PvP spot back. 😭

[real ocean]

yes

[keen vapor]

There's a reason a bot shares it blood....

[unique wagon]

Yes usually via their verifier bot

[real ocean]

also in general you arent allowed to advertise other discords

aside from union recruitment

[wicked horizon]

Yeah, the entire point is that they have a link inside there which steals your login info with the promise of getting to see booba or sth.

[unique wagon]

Fake verifier bots

Are dangerous careful

[sullen spruce]

[keen vapor]

They work together confirmed

That's why Abathur didn't attacked till C4 before

He's still C6
He only attacked me

[swift mango]

Maybe because your CP is low so easy target.

[keen vapor]

How to increase....

Go on.... Tell

[swift mango]

You already know the answer

[keen vapor]

[unique mountain]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1332018768511107083/1336459129274765453/1738701944976770.gif

[swift mango]

May if you keeps your level and arena rank low they would drop you to a bracket with more bricks?

Take it will a grain of salt though.

[keen vapor]

Cocoa-chan

[keen vapor]

No, already tried

[swift mango]

Another way is to Max core pull all power creep PvP banner from now on starting with Trina.

[keen vapor]

No 70 pulls to get 1 SSR

[swift mango]

more to

[grand plaza]

Yeah its SPA, but 3rd team is a trash team that have no hope of winning. So Biscuit will be either wasted on 3rd team or used here.

Wouldn't her increase survival a lot like this? Considering there aren't too much SR's on enemy team

[keen vapor]

Rapunzel MLB so close that I can taste it

[swift mango]

Well yeah, just keep her here then.

[grand plaza]

[swift mango]

You could try to invest more into arena like @umbral crown ....

Idk if it's possible though....

[cedar orbit]

Where is the sp def team list, asking for a person who is too shy to write here

[quick lake]

this?
#pvp-arena message

[kind palm]

or you can search the server with
in:#pvp-arena has:image

[cedar orbit]

You are cute

[kind palm]

cuz people will be asking team comps around here

[cedar orbit]

I'm not looking it up, I can probably make a better team than random pic, I'm just not putting in the work for others

[umbral crown]

Yeah, he should do it

[swift mango]

If you don't want to build it yourselves then just take the random pics from this chat. There's only one way or another.

[keen vapor]

What is the investment then

[swift mango]

All your rocks to arena units

All your mats to 5555 your arena units.

All your doll mats to sr15 your core arena units including ones like Jackal and Centi

[keen vapor]

When I'll be able to treasure Miranda

When I'll get purple RL dolls :hu tao whyyy:

[cedar orbit]

Just open the box

[umbral crown]

Max doll, max skill, max level equipment and get as much cores as possible

[umbral crown]

You have selectors there

[lunar pawn]

pvp bros, where's the champion arena announcement

[umbral crown]

In the dev note on 2035

[pale knoll]

Enough time for me to get noah then

[keen vapor]

1 week

Go pull standard

[pale knoll]

Bro said standard

[keen vapor]

There's Pilgrims there

Go on, you have a free multi

[pale knoll]

Where

[swift mango]

I got my Noah from standard.

[tropic summit]

i don't think they do, just enjoy having free wins

patheticly so

[pale knoll]

[pale knoll]

He's spent like 300 already

Mf

[tropic summit]

the most pointless waste of resources

then again, it might be someone who literally drops their wallet into the game, all gud

[pale knoll]

They are kinda

Top 3 is too, and top 2 is a friend

[tropic summit]

did you run this?

#pvp-arena message

[tropic summit]

i fail to understand the fun in that... then again people's ego is a weird funny thing

might aswell play a singleplayer where they're assured to be the best if they like easy mode so much

[pale knoll]

Now I'm torn on whether to hit top 3 or keep on going for top 1 to make him waste more gems

[tropic summit]

feels like there's no winner there, just humoring his ego further

the thing with bottomless wallet warriors is that you cannot win anyway

the only winner is SU with extra spenders

[pale knoll]

Guess I'll just go hit top 1

I'll tell you how it goes the following days

[tropic summit]

the man is on a mission

[tropic summit]

almost triple, noice

[shell hazel]

another day of work owari

time for some pvp

[tropic summit]

indeed

i'm on leave tomorrow too, finally can sleep on a friday

[shell hazel]

I sadly do not (but is WFH so chill enough)

I'm too strong no need for pvp today

send me new opponents Railtracer

[tropic summit]

such flex

[keen vapor]

Your defense is a free win

[shell hazel]

I jest it's far from perfect lmao

I'm investing though

[tropic summit]

there's a thing that doesn't go well with my defenses... having way too low CP to even matter

[shell hazel]

I will finish OL all the pvp unit gear I can (even basic 4 OL)

and I will build Trina

Rimuru are we holding?

[keen vapor]

[upper zephyr]

do i win this matchup? Im higher CP 496398

[shell hazel]

why liter on your side?

more out of interest, liter will feed em

[keen vapor]

core max

[shell hazel]

liter is for dps burst boost?

[keen vapor]

I don't have any core max yet

[tropic summit]

the new standard to make a defense that holds is something like being able to defend against these 3 @keen vapor

good luck...

(2 out of 3)

[keen vapor]

I need credits I need fodder I need limit breaks

[upper zephyr]

i could run this squad which is lower CP at 443175

[tropic summit]

i need an exorcist

[shell hazel]

is this rookie?

[upper zephyr]

indom emilia can counter nuke scarlet

[upper zephyr]

yes

[unkempt monolith]

my highest rank in sp arena yet

[shell hazel]

can you not just cindy it to death with Noah?

fast Noah will stop the scarlet nuke

[tropic summit]

isn't that glass cannon scarlet? 2RL noah with any sustain and B3

that or 2RL bay in p4

[upper zephyr]

so should i just keep same lineup but swap scarlet with cindy?

[shell hazel]

oh you still running the teams I helped cook? 🙂

[shell hazel]

you need to check it's 2RL

[keen vapor]

My cases can give me 395 synch
Government selector can bring me up to 401

But I get credit broke

[upper zephyr]

i dont understand how the pvp sandbox works 😭

[shell hazel]

just nikke deck it

[tropic summit]

put your nikke in here, see what the number says

https://nikke-deck.web.app/

[upper zephyr]

your team suggestions are helping out in SP arena though, keeping champ 5 for a few days now with the occasional trade

[keen vapor]

: Novel noted:

[keen vapor]

What

[swift mango]

You aren't that bricked after all.

[shell hazel]

2RL cindy comp here if you got treasure helm

[keen vapor]

Show me your government selector boxes

[shell hazel]

might be others that work without her

[upper zephyr]

soo like this?

[swift mango]

I use them all ofc.

[shell hazel]

yeah but you need 2RL, liter kind of meh here

[tropic summit]

indeed, now fix it and turn it 2RL

[keen vapor]

all on core dust

[swift mango]

Tibi said it would be fine to do that until 400 where you which to credit

[spare nimbus]

Can someone plz help explain to me what 2 rl, 2.5, 3, 4 etc mean?

[swift mango]

But I will which at 381 to be safe.

[keen vapor]

Replace RL with seconds

[swift mango]

[keen vapor]

Is speed measure

[tropic summit]

*Burst generation is one of the most important parameters when building a team. The importance of speed will be discussed more in-depth in the “Meta” section, here I’ll explain how burst generation works and a bit about the lexicon used for PvP.

Essentially, Nikkes generate burst whenever they hit an enemy, either with a skill or through firing their weapon (+ Jackal’s S1, which is a bit of an oddball in here). Usually, when talking about how fast a team bursts in Arena, we use RLs or SGs as reference since they’re the 2 best weapons for filling your burst gauge, and we attach a number depending on how many shots from that weapon type it takes to fill the burst gauge (for example, a 3RL team would be a team that fills the burst gauge within the time it takes for their RLs to fire 3 times).*

Sauce: https://nikke.gg/arena-mechanics/

[keen vapor]

I get to the point

[upper zephyr]

err this is worse right

[tropic summit]

lemme TL;DR it further on chatgpt

[keen vapor]

Nuh uh

[tropic summit]

[spare nimbus]

ok i sorta understand, but why do these formats show different rl and percentages

[keen vapor]

I hate AIs!

[tropic summit]

because each team can hit one of those thresholds, the lower the faster

[keen vapor]

You need 100% to reach full burst

: Novel noted: so people have doubts about percentage as well

[spare nimbus]

my brain is not braining

[swift mango]

1 RL is the time it takes for 1 Rocket launcher shot to "charge shot and hit" around 1.25 seconds. Without extra charge speed bonus.

We use it as a timer unit in arena.

[pale knoll]

[pale knoll]

Gonna drop you down rq

[spare nimbus]

oh also seperate question, can rosanna remove blanc's indom buff?

[keen vapor]

You need 100% to win

[spare nimbus]

DUDE NO plz

[tropic summit]

example of a 4RL team against a 3RL emi, emi bursts first but the team still ends up losing... why? because a slower noah can catch the nuke

[swift mango]

No, unless Blanc burst right at battle begin.

[tropic summit]

example of a faster scar-jack team, 2RL (with feed) vs 3RL, since scar-jack bursts before bay even has the chance to cast B2, team gets wiped

[keen vapor]

Theoretically possible to remove Biscuit immune?

[tropic summit]

@spare nimbus hence, speed matters a lot and you should get familiar with it asap

[shell hazel]

biscuit / sbs poor for burst gen. if you have helm treasure you can run what I sent

[upper zephyr]

still no idea if im creating a good team or a "these are good in pvp lets stick them together"

[swift mango]

Yeah, if your 9 AR shot trigger Biscuit asap.

[upper zephyr]

no helm treasure, i need alot of mats for her

[shell hazel]

that works I think, but cindy p3 ideally

[tropic summit]

if noah is not on SR5 with 4OL and on temperance cube, that's still a risky team

in fact you want SR10+

depending on opponent and deficit

[unkempt monolith]

yes hehe

[shell hazel]

what about jackal p1 there?

[keen vapor]

Level 1 Noah

[tropic summit]

yeah that solves the issue

[keen vapor]

no one told me SR 10

[tropic summit]

my noah before SR10 used to die on 14% deficit on even 2RL cuz C7 55+ level advantage kinda hurts

[swift mango]

Doesn't matter much

Use Rapu or Biscuit to protect Noah

[upper zephyr]

SR5 4OL but adjutant cube cause apparently thats the best core for her?

[keen vapor]

55

[shell hazel]

awesome, when you got more units and stuff you can get another cook maybe, see if stuff can be changed, but keep it up and keep investing into the core units some :0

[upper zephyr]

I can use tempering cube but its only lvl 3 idk if thats a problem

[tropic summit]

it's now 65...

[shell hazel]

try jackal p1 like I suggested

[keen vapor]

@swift mango how to Biscuit this while still 2 RL Noah Cindy

[swift mango]

P1 Noise then

[shell hazel]

could work

[tropic summit]

you're missing the point

[upper zephyr]

so like this?

[shell hazel]

noise needs more burst gen

[shell hazel]

like mine above

you want noah to burst 2

or you won't eat the scarlet nuke when they burst/if they burst

[upper zephyr]

okay lets see if this works then

[shell hazel]

record it maybe

if you can

[tropic summit]

you're no longer bursting with noah there

centi in p3 takes precedence on noah in p5

[shell hazel]

yeah I sent the ammended version #pvp-arena message 🙂

[upper zephyr]

yep it worked

i forgot to unclick quick complete lol

[shell hazel]

I thought you were trolling us then 😄

"yeah I recorded but have fun with the quick battle"

the cindy gacha burst animation is pretty cool (first time I saw it)

[tropic summit]

no best cube for noah is temperance, she'll be taunting and taking damage

on very few occasions quantum instead

adjutant is if you want to mess with taunt priority with another taunter in same team (typically noise)

[upper zephyr]

ok so her cube needs to be changed

[unkempt monolith]

finally I have the pilgrim vast gear on RH to fully OL her, now she's my strongest nikke rn in terms of power

[swift mango]

You could easily replace Noise with Emi then put her to p1 and still 2RL. Against ASS and Viper? You won't even need Centi... Just use a normal RL is enough for 2rl team.

[upper zephyr]

noise isnt invested at all but noted

[swift mango]

My point is that you don't need Noah to be tanky for her to work. Simple positioning or healing, revive aid could help wonder.

[tropic summit]

we're talking about noah standalone and you've to add in other nikke... hence why you missing the point

ofc anything can be fixed with adding other nikke that cover for whatever flaw

the whole point is you DON'T need them as long as she's built on doll

[swift mango]

In the second line, I meant that team feed you up the roof.... You could easily get to 2rl so long as Jackal link got hit.

[tropic summit]

even more so when your hands are tied on deficit

[shell hazel]

sadly my Noah doll got to R-11 so I need more blue kits

[swift mango]

"Simple position" mean you could put Noah in other position. Normally p5 is no SG or p3-4 if no Clip RL on enemy p1-2

[tropic summit]

and again missing the point

[swift mango]

You just did just that to him to keep Noah survive

[tropic summit]

we're talking about making noah survive standalone on 2RL and you're still talking of different scenarios where she is actively skipping that role

ofc it works then

[shell hazel]

noah SR-15 worth gunning for eventually if you boosted most other units you need to?

[tropic summit]

it's not just worth, it's mandatory

[shell hazel]

I guess it might be, and not that many will bother so gives you an edge

[tropic summit]

unless you want her to die

[swift mango]

For defense team, even sr15 and Tempering lv15 Max core Noah could still be killed without protection if opponent will it.

[shell hazel]

Rosanna sac Noah comp

[tropic summit]

finally something we can agree on

[tropic summit]

the ultimate 4D chess

[swift mango]

That's why having sr10 on Noah is pretty much pointless comparing sr15 Scarlet or sth.

[upper zephyr]

https://tenor.com/view/catherine-medici-slay-yas-girl-queen-gif-12560522

[swift mango]

[tropic summit]

aaaaaand there you go off point again

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/katniss-everdeen-tribute-volunteer-jennifer-lawrence-the-hunger-games-gif-15457977

Noah (probably)

[swift mango]

I see you recommend sr10+ on Noah and I disagree wholeheartedly. that's my point.

[tropic summit]

right, leave a noah squishy af that's gonna be great

[swift mango]

5 more level of doll and she still do nothing.

At least 5 more level on your dps could win you game more often.

[tropic summit]

you're just too used to not play on deficit i think

or simply don't run stall teams

once you see your noah getting destroyed you'll learn why higher lvl doll is a must

[swift mango]

I played on deficit and stall team. Just that doll doesn't matter there, Noah will just smelt without biscuit.

[shell hazel]

how many dps need SR-15 though? like eventually you'll have scarlet at SR-15

[whole shell]

my SR15 noah laughing in the corner

[tropic summit]

safe to say there's a very few amount of good B3 for arena

scarlet
cindy
emilia
sbs
s.anis
RH

being the most common

[swift mango]

It's fine investment when you are done with your dps.

[shell hazel]

core DPS
Cindy = SR-15
RH = SR-15
SBS = SR-15
Scarlet = SR-5
HelmTr = SR-15

[swift mango]

[tropic summit]

arguably xmaiden and helmT for the sake of link killing

[shell hazel]

I don't have emi or s.anis (before I started) so once drunk Scarlet is SR-15 I could very well SR-15 some core pvp units like Noah

[tropic summit]

although their multiplier is already insane as is

and ofc rosanna for the extra dmg to 1hitko

[shell hazel]

I forgot that added to my list as treasured

[covert lintel]

i rather sr15 blanc or biscuit than giving sr15 noah

[shell hazel]

ice maiden is SR-0 but that's fine I can worry about her later 😛

[tropic summit]

i rather SR15 noah over blanc and biscuit who are in safer spots than p1

[shell hazel]

if you p1 noise she likely wants a good doll as well

[tropic summit]

absolutely

[swift mango]

And wait, you said 14%? that's no deficit. I played at 15.3% everytlday and it's no deficit too. Deficit in stat start at 15.41. before that, it's pointless to mention.

[tropic summit]

any taunter benefits from doll

[shell hazel]

I guess you SR-5 them all first more or less and then focus to SR-15 as you can

[tropic summit]

you know perfectly well what i mean with deficit

[swift mango]

You said 14% when you recommended Noah sr10+.

[tropic summit]

there's deficit penality and deficit...

[covert lintel]

even u strengthen noah, it's pointless if biscuit die first

[tropic summit]

i really don't think i need to explain that to you

[tropic summit]

a dolless noah on 3RL will melt, a doll noah on 3RL will live without biscuit

= you can use biscuit elsewhere

[lunar pawn]

someone please give me the pros and cons of mileaging trina considering we're like 1 month away from half anni

[swift mango]

Yes and deficit in CP is just pointless to say before 15.41%. If anything affecting the dmg before that, it's the level gap, skill level gap, OL line gap and limit break gap between you and the enemies.

[tropic summit]

can run the dumbest no brainer 2RL scarlet lineup to win any team that is not 2RL noah or bay

[swift mango]

[shell hazel]

pros, you get trina. cons, you lose 200 mileage

[lunar pawn]

[covert lintel]

we're talking about sr15 noah right?
not doll-less noah
i'm sure everyone knew it already that sr5 doll pvp char is a must

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/bowing-james-corden-gif-6902393656755919503

[swift mango]

Except Jackal feed teams that looks like 3rl but not.

[shell hazel]

but for real she's worth if you maxing into pvp some and have scarlet / moran invested, but you do need mileage for anni as well

[tropic summit]

this is what i mean

[lunar pawn]

mileaging a general pool non pilgrim feels wrong

on so many levels

[shell hazel]

you can wishlist, just rng on her arriving a bit

depends how much pulls/mileage you got

[tropic summit]

you can pass on her and pray to RNG, i didn't get rouge in months

[swift mango]

You never said "damage deficit" though.

But basically what I just said... I didn't know people made guide about that lol...

[lunar pawn]

about 2100, but I wanna save it for insta mlb pilgrims and such

[shell hazel]

2100 is a lot of mileage

[covert lintel]

cons is you will be skipping a potential pvp pilgrim char called siren

[tropic summit]

the f the guy is on 2.1k mileage and still wondering

[shell hazel]

you can MLB 2 pilgrims, if you have pulls could use those and try for her that way

[lunar pawn]

[tropic summit]

just use those 200 out of your 2.1k da f

unless you're not serious about pvp then skip and wishlist

[shell hazel]

if you don't have pulls then just mileage one you still have plenty left (and more mileage from pulls before anni...)

[lunar pawn]

nah got no pulls to use, I don't even have enough gems to buy all event tries yet lol

[swift mango]

Need 100 more to max core. Not saved enough.

[tropic summit]

🚪

[shell hazel]

I can't see them doing more than 2 pilgrims at once here (I count overspec as well in that term)

[lunar pawn]

yea might have to take the L and mileage this cow

[shell hazel]

I had 800 mileage and burnt 200 on MLB asuka W 😄

[tropic summit]

when you've 2.1k i don't think you're taking any Ls

[shell hazel]

you'll be alright

[lunar pawn]

anyway, what can I use here within 5min?

[tropic summit]

is this pre or after reset?

[lunar pawn]

pre

[tropic summit]

someone is being a bad boi

[lunar pawn]

this guy will use gems on me anyway

but I might have more options after I mileage trina

[swift mango]

He needs to save 100 more to max core next pilgrim no? Might as well pull for Trina then.

[tropic summit]

duh

if i had 2.1k mileage i wouldn't even hesitate

[lunar pawn]

no cooks pre reset

[eager mountain]

2.1k mileage is almost enough for c7

[tropic summit]

these are the enemy teams

one has SG feed, should give you a huge hint

the other is your average 2RL glass cannon

[covert lintel]

trina help you build 2nd strongest team for solo raid
and ez missilis tower
so go mileage it

[eternal finch]

UPDATE: I swapped Lapace for Maiden and now I can defend with no problem. Don't know if this piece of data helps.

[shell hazel]

running out of time to hit go 😄

[shell hazel]

cat pfp

[lunar pawn]

gonna yolo with home cooking

[tropic summit]

well as we said earlier today, laplace has iron elem advantage and far better splash offburst

xmaiden offers poorer offburst dps

if anything on that front it's an upgrade

[eternal finch]

Weird because when I swap for Laplace I start to lose. And she has trasure

[eager mountain]

xmaiden hits p1 hard but p1 usually protected, la+ good for punishing p2 elec

[lunar pawn]

nope crashed and burned

[eternal finch]

does lapalce have to be 10/10/10>

?

[eager mountain]

4/10/4

[tropic summit]

next time ask for cook a bit earlier than 5 mins, plus i provided it to you earlier
#pvp-arena message

[lunar pawn]

was too late to change by that time cheers anyway

[eternal finch]

mmm maybe is that. I have her 5/5/7

[lunar pawn]

UR is up

[tropic summit]

oh it's that time again

[eternal finch]

reset time lol

[eager mountain]

shes off burst anyway why lv10 her burst for pvp
s1 is not gonna do anything most of the time if u compare that to how much splash range emi needs to hit extra target