pvp-arena

[pale knoll]

I met a buddy in my spa bracket, been friends ever since

[tropic summit]

friendship found on the battlefield

a warrior's dream

[umbral belfry]

I only thing I met in my bracket is a simp

[tropic summit]

we'll never know if it was a lurker afterall or not

[crystal flicker]

Should say "I met a girl through online game PvP, turns out she's my childhood friend"

[tropic summit]

sounds like an anime plot

and ironically it's probably the one you referencing to

[eager mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/tatakae-aot-eren-jean-attack-on-titan-eren-gif-22444464

[tropic summit]

oh i remembered wrong, she wasn't a childhood friend but just grill on the net

https://myanimelist.net/anime/31404/Netoge_no_Yome_wa_Onnanoko_ja_Nai_to_Omotta

[crystal flicker]

what are the chances someone from this server get a gf from Nikke

[raven plover]

https://tenor.com/view/shingeki-no-kyojin-attack-on-titans-attacco-dei-giganti-shinzou-wo-sasageyo-sasageyo-gif-20814878

[eager mountain]

god forbid us from using du*ba@s romji title translation

romaji everything just simply translate it, knowing japanese doesnt make romaji less annoying to read imo

[crystal flicker]

imo, her mom is way hotter

[tropic summit]

ah yes, quite cultured

[eager mountain]

and taxas and mfs will try to call this lolikon

[tropic summit]

can't even type that word, what crazy times we live in

[umbral crown]

Thats me in 1-2 years

500+ with no frame 3%

[tropic summit]

considering the campaign team you've showed before, i'll believe that

[eager mountain]

"u like young looking animu chicks? thats a criminal offense"
malding over fictional horniness is funny enough

[umbral crown]

Campaign team: invested pvp units

[tropic summit]

wait till they learn elves can be 300 years old and look 16

instant blue screen

[eager mountain]

its fiction and its bs and they trying to use moral reasoning over literal bs, mfs got nothing else to do and worry

[umbral crown]

But no red hood yet

[tropic summit]

fully agreed

[tropic summit]

RH rerun this year, 10/10

since we had SBS, surely RH next

[umbral crown]

I trust

[tropic summit]

ch1 3h since last login, maybe he actually sleeps with his macro on tho

[umbral crown]

[eager mountain]

[umbral crown]

Go test that mac

[tropic summit]

since i already hit ch2 i shall too anyway, tomorrow i'll doublecheck if he hits back while 3h+ last login

[umbral crown]

[indigo gazelle]

When tho?

[umbral crown]

Someday...

[tropic summit]

Somewhen...

[indigo gazelle]

[umbral crown]

https://tenor.com/view/someday-not-tomorrow-not-today-maybe-maybe-not-today-gif-2079436630128123994

[vital turtle]

should i pause working on rosanna and build up trina for my scarlet?

my defense teams were holding up really well until she came out 🥲

[umbral crown]

Becauss whishlizzz

[tropic summit]

nah keep working on ross, trina is a bit weaker on def side

[umbral crown]

Maybe with 200 pulls a chance

maybe

[tropic summit]

i don't believe this man sleeps

tomorrow i shall test the theory out, fare thee well 👋

[eager mountain]

him whole day:

tatakae-ing

[lunar pawn]

trina keeps evading me

[indigo gazelle]

I have similar guy on previous bracket

[lunar pawn]

is she really worth 200 gold mileage though

[eager mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/broke-wallet-i-am-broke-no-money-no-cash-gif-24120042

[pale knoll]

Wait for ca confirmation

if there's any

[eager mountain]

if 200 mileage is just 1 pilgrim lb, its not much

[umbral belfry]

he's gonna strike the moment you sleep

[crystal flicker]

I've memorized their login time

[junior briar]

[coarse lake]

@keen vapor you know this guy?

[pale knoll]

[eager mountain]

[coarse lake]

if so, any chance you can get me in touch with him? willing to help him cook to stay in #3, then let him swap with me in #2 from time to time, in exchange for him being my guinea pig and letting me test all sorts of hellish comps on him

[pale knoll]

[eager mountain]

nice plan

[coarse lake]

he gets consistent +300 gems every 2 weeks, I get guinea pig willing to fully cooperate

great deal imo, more ppl need to take me up on my offer

just double checked, yeah they're in the same union

[eager mountain]

applies if either:
they really care about getting c1-3
or they care about cooking stuff in pvp

[coarse lake]

there's like 3-4 ppl brawling it out daily for #3

[keen vapor]

Yep, that's my union

[keen vapor]

Oke

[storm hearth]

whats trina's skill prio for pvp

[umbral belfry]

4/7/4 no?

[keen vapor]

Budget, yes

If you can afford it, max skill 2

[umbral belfry]

affording it in this economy

[keen vapor]

Ikr

[eternal finch]

Sadly, these last comps no longer work. I think the CP difference might be starting to counter regardless. It does work when I swap them sometimes because I assume they think is the same team and attack without looking but who know. Any other recs I should try? Got Trina OL and almost 10/10/10

[keen vapor]

Jesus you maxing Trina

[eager mountain]

10/10/10 trina, one step to the trina moran maxxed comp

[keen vapor]

How to make good use out of Moran

[rich quail]

My Trina is lucky 7s so far

But her cp is low and I’m still building her (got her a few days ago)

[keen vapor]

So close so close to your synch

[rich quail]

What’s your sync now?

[keen vapor]

381

[rich quail]

You could easily pass me if u use all your cd cases

[keen vapor]

[eternal finch]

I think I gotta re-roll for her...

[rich quail]

cmon
DO IT

DO IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT

Show me how much of a CHADmander you are

[keen vapor]

I need to pass 26-17

I need 4th ele on RH

[rich quail]

You’re better’n me on Campaign

I’m still on 23

[keen vapor]

Helm and Vest can be rerolled, yes

[keen vapor]

You passed both nihils already my advantage is gone

[rich quail]

All I need is time

[keen vapor]

Tbh 25-18 wasn't so bad on second run

[keen vapor]

24-34 however

[umbral crown]

Auto, ez

[finite wedge]

I have 2 RL R dolls and Rumani, Bay, Trina, and SR Anis all need one. give one to Rumani and Trina and defer Bay and Anis?

[keen vapor]

Bay will benefit from that cover HP

But you use her?

[finite wedge]

I do not

she's totally unbuilt

I'm only beginning to get Rumani overloaded

[keen vapor]

Maybe only Trina and leave the other for later

Trina needs to be tanky

Also more HP good for her

[finite wedge]

solo raid give me RL dolls

[lunar pawn]

helmt s2 buffs emilia nuke in pvp right?

[keen vapor]

Yes, she fires on full burst after all

[lunar pawn]

mm the buff is not good enough to wipe, shame

[keen vapor]

Double buff not enough

[coarse lake]

go triple with rh

[lunar pawn]

Idk how to fit her in while keeping it 2RL and not losing the link with jackal

[coarse lake]

or just do noah/biscuit/emi/rh/helmt

double and you got stall advantage

[lunar pawn]

and noah taken elsewhere

[coarse lake]

should have made sure helmt atk wasn't too high

[lunar pawn]

I did make sure, that's why rh is not there

[keen vapor]

Indom is HP based

[coarse lake]

can also try the soda special if you got her built enough

[coarse lake]

link is atk-based

emi atk needs to be higher than helmt

[keen vapor]

HelmT is attacker, that puts her above Centi/Blanc by default

[keen vapor]

.... And?

Jackal links two highest

You know something I don't?

[coarse lake]

emi/blanc/rh/helmt/jackal

emi link

need to make that happen if you wanna go for triple buff (or build miranda+)

[keen vapor]

Ah, I get it now

[lunar pawn]

not gonna happen

emi having higher atk than helmt/rh, both who I have decently built, is kinda copium

[coarse lake]

that's why it's smart to keep helmt atk low she's not even that good of a dps

but honestly, you just gotta try to find a way to make noah available here

well...

rapipi/blanc/helmt/centi/jackal, if rapipi is lower hp than helmt

that should work, provided your rapipi can live the helmt snipes

[lunar pawn]

redpi in arena?

[keen vapor]

Is my favorite Bay counter

[lunar pawn]

can she even do enough with 6-7s full burst to wipe the entire enemy team?

• fps cap

[coarse lake]

if your rapipi is at least good built, for sure

ele being most important

[lunar pawn]

yea she has 4 ele lines

[eager mountain]

and yet... she is the best water dps in pve and scales well with atk... lol

hard to balance both mode at times, since ol being ol

[coarse lake]

yeah but that's not a very high bar

[lunar pawn]

Idk about hp lemme check

[coarse lake]

besides, better off going 4 ele 4 cs on her anyway

[lunar pawn]

yea, lower than helmt

[coarse lake]

should be fine then, only worry is dying before you can indom

slap on tempering on rapipi if tier 3 buff

well wait

jackal/blanc/rapipi/centi/helmt

just do that

[lunar pawn]

alright

[keen vapor]

Tip: Use Vigor cube

[lunar pawn]

let's see how it goes

[coarse lake]

as long as rapipi indoms properly you should be ok

[lunar pawn]

vigor on helm?

[coarse lake]

yeah to be safe

[keen vapor]

Eon, check my Helm lines

I can't get 4th ele Eon

[lunar pawn]

actually worked

tight win though, but a W is a W, kudos

[coarse lake]

godpipi

[eager mountain]

100m

[coarse lake]

just leave it then, or full reroll that last piece

I don't think it'll matter that much tbh, it ain't gonna make her that much better

get those values up tho

[keen vapor]

I can't, is 3/3 tier 11

It's a miracle that it has Charge speed

[coarse lake]

btw did you tell yeti about the specifics of my offer or nah

I got 76% ele on helmt, with 3 lines just roll better

[keen vapor]

I told him yes
-# He send an screenshot, a resume and where to find you here

[coarse lake]

ok

then he's prob considering it or something

[keen vapor]

Surely he doesn't forgets

[keen vapor]

Wait, Rapi's post burst damage is better than Emilia? why Emilia is so weak

[coarse lake]

emi is just to bypass noah biscuit setups

rapipi will chew through most stall setups if they ain't using moran/noah biscuit, and even against noah biscuit she has a slight chance

[keen vapor]

[coarse lake]

being both fire and iron ele adv is huge in pvp

[keen vapor]

Emilia niche, Rapi SSS on everything

[coarse lake]

almost all stall setups got at least 2-3 or more units ele weak

noise? melted, moran? melted, noah? melted, need defender biscuit to stop

[lunar pawn]

Good to know never thought of bringing her to a fight

Think noise blew up immediately when noah invincibility went down

[keen vapor]

But can she melt Nero/Ludmilla ?

[coarse lake]

sounds about right

[coarse lake]

nero with enough dr no

dr can stop her

well she's gonna be indom, so maybe not for long

[lunar pawn]

With a nero/Ludmilla defense you're either out of top 10 or you're a whale that cp gaps opponents anyway

[keen vapor]

or Merry, you may be Merry

[lunar pawn]

Never seen anyone with an interesting defense that works, it's all mostly the same stuff

[coarse lake]

just use scar when dealing with those pesky niche tanks

[keen vapor]

MERRY

[coarse lake]

good thing they all are bullet hoses

[unique wagon]

Is this Doppel the same Dopple guy

[keen vapor]

Oh

[lunar pawn]

Who's dopple

[unique wagon]

Ok not the same guy

[coarse lake]

if we get a niche tank that isn't bullet hose, like a noise but defender, it's joever

well noise isn't on the lvl of the others, her self sustain isn't as high

[unique wagon]

Sir Ive been doing this before I quit

Rapipi goat

Solo has good dmg, and with buffer can f most stalls

[lunar pawn]

Pre nerf noise though

[keen vapor]

You quitting?

[coarse lake]

she was nerfed?

[unique wagon]

Already quit "competitively"

[lunar pawn]

They called it "adjustment"

[unique wagon]

Im only around for the content

[lunar pawn]

Yes content 🍑

[unique wagon]

They didnt want to nerf

People wanted the nerf

Her healing up over and over is her intended design lmao

But with low syncs and lack of good units it was obnoxious in pvp

[coarse lake]

what was her kit pre-nerf

[unique wagon]

Max HP can heal even when triggered within duration.

[coarse lake]

oh that

she was just.. giving herself heals every hit?

[unique wagon]

Which is the design behind Frima also.

[unique wagon]

Ye but the % was weaker

[keen vapor]

Huh?

[lunar pawn]

Yea they kinda butchered noise

[unique wagon]

Frima is designed to heal with every shot as well but she was bugged

[lunar pawn]

That's why we can't have nice things, the karens are the loudest lot

[unique wagon]

Need RH for Emilia. No atk buff.

Rapipi is more flexible but slower.

[lunar pawn]

How deep are you digging in this channel

[unique wagon]

Just a few hours

[keen vapor]

Need Mica

[unique wagon]

Wont be enuf I guess

[lunar pawn]

Thought blanc+helm was gonna be enough, never tried before

[unique wagon]

If HelmTr is not enuf, I bet XMica wont be enuf too

[keen vapor]

[solid flare]

has nobody cooked up some mana insurance stall team yet?

[unique wagon]

Miranda + RH should guarantee kill anyone tho

[keen vapor]

That's what Kisenix did first day

[coarse lake]

not unless in champ, in sp she's almost never needed

[lunar pawn]

Think I won't mileage trina, will just wishlist her later

[unique wagon]

Her presence is only in:

• SBS teams
• Revive P1 comps
• Stall teams

Which are not popular and require higher investments.

[solid flare]

so the best we have is stoll moran + cat in terms of stall?(rapun core)

[coarse lake]

the best stall is the nero/moran/quiry/helmt/rapu

it's the only one that I know of that has an ok chance against a buffed indom scar

[unique wagon]

Thats brick.

[coarse lake]

maybe there's a variant with biscuit as well

[keen vapor]

Still Quiry

[coarse lake]

but nero moran + helmt is like the core at this point

[lunar pawn]

Why?

[unique wagon]

Clip RL

This month CA is out

[coarse lake]

helmt for the self dr to live nukes, and to help trigger nero's own dr, and to make the team 3rl

[lunar pawn]

I have everyone else, not seeing a need for trina here

[unique wagon]

When CA is out u will

[coarse lake]

try to cook for champ without trina

[lunar pawn]

I'll change my mind if CA is actually not postponed lol

[unique wagon]

Just pull her

[coarse lake]

even with trina it's not enough, I need another clip rl

[solid flare]

when is CA?

[lunar pawn]

70 gems to my name

[unique wagon]

March 2026

[lunar pawn]

[coarse lake]

I need siren to be a meta pvp dps

[solid flare]

wishlist will hit by then lol

[keen vapor]

But sir

[unique wagon]

Shes definitely Water dps.

[coarse lake]

good gen + needs only 1 buffer + doesn't feed to much, thx

I heard some ppl say she could be iron

since the liquid is kinda like ferrofluid, metallic

[keen vapor]

Imagine Siren is supporter and buffs water attack

[coarse lake]

there's also a chance she's just electric ar

[unique wagon]

Nope. Water for sure.

SMG probably

Might be entering SMG meta soon. MG has just ended.

[coarse lake]

smg eww

[lunar pawn]

Did I just hear soline treasure

[coarse lake]

she better be an instant nuke that needs 0 buffer, or max 1 buffer to cleanly nuke even dr'ed stall comps then

[keen vapor]

Perhaps

[unique wagon]

In 4 months

[coarse lake]

otherwise smg is just disgusting to use in pvp

[unique wagon]

Most event pilgrim units have been not pvp friendly

[lunar pawn]

I want the return of the soline that wipes her own allies

[coarse lake]

well I don't see her firing that fast

she fires bubbles, no way it fires as fast as standard ar/smg/mg

gonna be modified weapon like cindy

[unique wagon]

SG then

[coarse lake]

gun type could be anything if modified weapon tbh

so prob end up like cindy, trash gen, but also doesn't feed that much, which is ok ig

just need good nuke/sustain dmg

[unique wagon]

SG but low burst gen muahahahhahaa

[kind palm]

I need strong sg pilgrim

[unique wagon]

Read ur name

[coarse lake]

lol 1 bubble per half sec, but each bubble has the gen of 10 sg pellets

[keen vapor]

And yet Cinderella made his way to most used in defense

[coarse lake]

they do need to make a slug sg already

[keen vapor]

I could buy it with AR..... Electric AR.... Nvm

[unique wagon]

Its gonna be charged SG bro

[coarse lake]

they can make anything work with a buff when she enters battle, change wep

[unique wagon]

They dumped Chime frfr

Not ready for B1 powercreep LMAO

[coarse lake]

they're very clear and consistent with their b1 creep, almost none

[keen vapor]

Well, we got one powercreep already, guess only one a year is allowed

[coarse lake]

even pilgrim that's a fan favorite and first overspec is sidegrade/slight upgrade to liter

[unique wagon]

I can see Chime in anniv/NY for B1 powercreep

We had Grave for B2 powercreep kinda

[coarse lake]

if they wanna be creative, make a b1 that buffs a lot, but no cdr, then make a b2 cdr that also buffs a lot

b1 cdr + buffer is getting kinda stale tbh

[unique wagon]

They wont change that

Cus they fk up already with the recent kit designs

[coarse lake]

what else they can even do with b1 cdr buffer...

[unique wagon]

B1 is too strong with proper B2 CDR

[coarse lake]

make dps that scale off def?

[keen vapor]

We already have B2 that buffs a lot

Trina/Anne

[unique wagon]

Just look at Miranda

[coarse lake]

ig insane true dmg buffer + true dmg dps works

[keen vapor]

We'll see if they do Dolla treasure

[coarse lake]

a good reenter b1 that also gives cdr? but buffs a lil' bit

basically replaces the flex slot on some teams

[unique wagon]

Isabel shud have been CDR

[coarse lake]

we do need a b1 cdr that gives a ton of heals ig

[unique wagon]

She is fast, shud also make team rotate faster

[coarse lake]

rouge isn't enough

[keen vapor]

They did Pepper and she's great

[coarse lake]

no cdr no buff

[keen vapor]

EXCELLENT NUKE AND HEAL

[coarse lake]

yeah they could lean into 5 sec burst comps, already did it with 15

[unique wagon]

Isabel shud reduce CD by -7s per full burst

[coarse lake]

have a unit that uh.... only works if the full burst is 5 sec...

I'm sure they can come up with something convoluted

on entering full burst, gain a buff that lasts 7 sec, if full burst ends while buff is active, do something crazy

there we go, will be the isabel "treasure", same way trina is scar treasure

[kind palm]

pilgrim treasure

[coarse lake]

it could be treasure vesti's thing tbh

she has same mechanic

treasure vesti + isabel

[keen vapor]

45s buffs are stupid

[coarse lake]

rotate through bursts at 2x speed kek

liter stocks go insane

[kind palm]

forgot the interaction but both of them change full burst to 5 sec or subtract?

[keen vapor]

Substract iirc

[unique wagon]

Just make Isabel reduce CD by 7-8s

[coarse lake]

both lower it by 5 on their burst

[kind palm]

if use both 0s or override buff?

[coarse lake]

so need both to always have 5 sec full bursts

otherwise it'll be 5 10 5 10

[kind palm]

oh on their burst

[keen vapor]

They need to burst unlike Soda

[coarse lake]

it'll be a very interesting new comp core

add in liter as b1 cdr for giga buff

[kind palm]

imagine another support that subtract on entering fullburst

then we spam burst

[coarse lake]

yeah they definitely can't add support that does it and is able to stack with them, might break game

spend more time genning than in full burst

[keen vapor]

Can you imagine an anti fb team meta?

[coarse lake]

oh another buff idea, a stacking buff, if it expires, you lose all stacks. when full burst ends, gain a buff that lasts 9 seconds, stacks like 5 times or something

so if you ever have a 10 sec full burst, it all expires

but you can keep chaining 5 sec bursts, just gotta gen in like 3-4 sec

prob need a way to gen a lot or boost team gen like grave

SU if you're reading this, I'm available for hire

[keen vapor]

Mana is close to this tbh

[coarse lake]

I'll even take payment in the form of ingame gems as long as I can work whenever I want

[unique wagon]

They 100% wont implement silence mechanics

[keen vapor]

Mana

[rich quail]

Eon joining MA!

[unique wagon]

Mana doesnt silence

[keen vapor]

She will want it

[rich quail]

Echo getting replaced!

[unique wagon]

Imagine being stuck in Amateur MA

Jk

[rich quail]

kek

[keen vapor]

I need to work on guide

[coarse lake]

hell no

[rich quail]

Echo’s Guide to Hoarding Core Dust

Easiest guide for you to write

It’s like writing your autobiography

[keen vapor]

[rich quail]

[inner narwhal]

https://imgur.com/XgqIhN8
is this team equivalent to 4RL since i dont have any sgs on it?

[coarse lake]

no prob like 3.4rl

blanc is the one giving little bits of gen over time

[inner narwhal]

ty

[kind palm]

how long does it take for blanc to pewpew to 100% after 3rl time

0.45% per shot?

[coarse lake]

0.2% per shot roughly

[wise owl]

Just checking in, but: Trina buffs Moran during her burst, right? I'm not sure if her switching to SMG clashes with how Trina's coded

Absent Scarlet, I'm banking on a Trina+Moran+S!Anis combo to bolster my PVP team

[unique wagon]

Does anyone know Milk treasure phase order skills

Like 1 2 3 or 1 3 2 or something

Meteo false hope

[slim monolith]

her burst "changing weapon in use" shouldn't affect how trina's buffs work

it's still AR, the same way maxwell is still SR, and snow white is still AR

[unique wagon]

I thought ure replying to me

[slim monolith]

i am now

[slim monolith]

1 2 3

[arctic basalt]

What is RL burst?

[grizzled bone]

RL is a measurement of burst speed used in PvP

[arctic basalt]

Oh

[wise owl]

All according to keikaku, thanks!

[hollow eagle]

@bleak shale @onyx scaffold @junior briar switch Noise to Rapunzel now it works

[junior briar]

Lmao the troll P1 rapunzel

Prob P2 is safer

[hollow eagle]

hmm but P2 probably not gonna get her HP to 30%

[junior briar]

If you use that again rapunzel prob just die

[hollow eagle]

yea plenty time for me to test this out but this is quite a hilarious 2RL team

[junior briar]

Oh u won the other 2 anyways

No biggie

[hollow eagle]

oh just realized my Rapunzel is not using any dolls...

[unique wagon]

Thanks

How about Miranda

[hollow eagle]

burst > S2 > S1

[unique wagon]

Thanks

[swift mango]

Echo got upgraded

[swift mango]

What does silence do in this game?

Edit: I read up. Nvm.

[swift mango]

They may hire you for -100 dollars a month.

[swift mango]

This is a 3rl team. RH would shoot cover at least 1 time in 3 shoots.

Also, if Biscuit had Charge speed, it would be even a bit faster.

Realistically speaking, a team with RH+Emilia(quantum, s1lv10)+Biscuit can't be slower than 3.5rl, unless your units got killed off by normal attack. Or versus an Empty p2.

[junior briar]

Shut up

[swift mango]

No

[junior briar]

[inner narwhal]

[radiant storm]

Ayo Chat

If you finish like for example

Like if I finish Mc in Mock, will I get the title or Nah?

[eager mountain]

nope

[radiant storm]

Oh thought so

[eager mountain]

so if u mess up u burn an attempt there instead of getting a kraken run

[radiant storm]

Tried if im almost at the end and if its not 5.6b I actually go to phone home screen so that there's no attempt burn

[eager mountain]

ye, just the timing and knowing if its enough

[unique mountain]

[wicked horizon]

Moran's tankier than Noise, right?

[crystal flicker]

she's defender so ye

more if you use her burst

[wicked horizon]

I hope the battle to be over after the burst happens.

I was recommended the left one, but I changed it to the right one.

[shell hazel]

[crystal flicker]

Noise taunt faster though

[wicked horizon]

I also had some ideas about putting Moran in Anis' team as a tank instead... But I don't know if that improves the situation for either team.

Taunt? They're P1, they'll take damage anyways. It's not like I want them to go down.

[crystal flicker]

SAnis good as is

sniper will target your HelmT w/o taunt though

[wicked horizon]

She'll probably survive 2 shots.

[crystal flicker]

should be

[wicked horizon]

Guess I'll start building Moran. 😰

[crystal flicker]

I forgot, Noise also buff Cindy

maybe that's why

[wicked horizon]

It's true, but...
I do fear a bit more for Noise dying before her burst can go through than Cinderella not doing enough damage to one-shot their team.

I used to have Noise/Centi/Cindy/THelm/XMaiden

[quick lake]

Unless u're a pvp tryhard, I dont think Moran is that necessary

Slightly harder to fit into teams and needs a lot of investment in skills, 7/7/10 at least

[wicked horizon]

Yes, but...

[junior briar]

No buts

Look at me lvl 550 without moran

[wicked horizon]

Do you think this team would survive without her?

[junior briar]

[crystal flicker]

if it's 2rl should be

not to mention Noise is RL

actually

#pvp-arena message

[wicked horizon]

How's this help the point?

[crystal flicker]

Moran should make you burst first when facing 2rl vs 2rl

[wicked horizon]

Well, that's an argument for her, not against.

But I don't believe it to be true either.

It would imply that it's her burst gen that crosses the 100% boundary, whereas it's almost certainly the rocket launchers hitting.

[quick lake]

Well, u need to take into account the burst gen and whether Moran's the final contributing burst gen unit

[crystal flicker]

yeh, thats another calc

But anyway I don't think Noise will die if it's 2RL though

[quick lake]

Yeah, this is true. Honestly for current SPA, u can get away with not using Moran. With more and more battery units, slow teams are at a disadvantage

Imo for Moran to truly shine, u need the team to have multiple SR15 units + almost full team of Tempering7

[wicked horizon]

It's not like my Noise is super built either, idk.

Wat

I just want a P1 tank.

[quick lake]

Just do a fast 2RL team and you dont need a P1 tank anymore

[crystal flicker]

He's running 2RL Cindy

Assume Cindy's got Noah'd, Moran will help the team survive the Nuke, but at that point just run stall tbh

[quick lake]

Moran will not help u tank double buffed scar unless u have Sr15 and dolls

[wicked horizon]

Wait, what if...

How fast does Noise's taunt go through?

Like, would she be able to already pull the 2nd RL/Sniper shot?

Sniper hits P5 anyways, nvm

But RL

Like, I could put Centi on P1, Noise on P5, and mayyybe that would distribute damage better?

[quick lake]

Yeah, that can help alleviate dmg somewhat. Slight dmg reduction mitigation imo

[wicked horizon]

I'm thinking too hard over this.

[patent verge]

Hewo people, we've been working hard on PvP reworks and been posting dedicated PvP guides for some characters! Do check out the updated site
https://nikke.gg/pvp-tier-list-revamp-february-2025/
https://nikke.gg/trina-pvp-focus-review-analysis-guide-and-best-teams/

[drifting hazel]

How the hell did he get a lynx

[lunar pawn]

nikke.gg is being revived?

[shell hazel]

the lynx effect

[near plank]

alive

[mild moat]

is it worth building trina for pvp only. pushing c4-7. if she's worth, what team mates aside from Scarlett to add with her?

looks like she probably is due to clip rl. Scarlett, Trina, HelmT, Rosanna, jackal?

[swift mango]

An example of a faster 2rl Scarlet wins. Blanc indom wasn't even needed.

[shell hazel]

oh I just shared it like a page below 🙂

[swift mango]

For the last 2 days, my mileage was using 120 blue and 80 purple to fix Biscuit and Blanc sr0 to SR5. It was decent luck all things considered.

Only Moran SR0 left to fix.

And all my Arena-able units would be sr5 above.

Kinda hate the fact that I have had Trina SR5 since day one and didn't upgrade her at all because I needed to fix my other units first.

[unique mountain]

If champ arena doesn't release in 1 week , all pvp MA role peeps will be turned into r nikkes

[quick lake]

@keen vapor get ready to be turned into r nikke

[unique wagon]

I dont even know silence existed in the game and the debuff from those mobs is called Silent. All other games where u cannot use skill have always used Silence like its some glorified law.

[swift mango]

Now I want to be MA.

[unique mountain]

I only added MA cause you aren't MA

[quick lake]

pvp chat all gonna become r nikkes

[swift mango]

R nikke is still sexy enough.

[unique wagon]

Idk who EVA is

Is that u

[unique mountain]

I didn't know you wanted to be sexy

[unique wagon]

Nvm he blocked me

[swift mango]

Who don't

[unique wagon]

Does anyone know who EVA is

[unique mountain]

I can't find a flaw in that logic

[unique wagon]

Those guides are really good

The one written by EVA

[quick lake]

Yeah. nikkegg pvp guides are really solid

[unique wagon]

SAnis

[swift mango]

50 lv diff, enough to normal attack me to death if I didn't use Noise.

[unique wagon]

U write it?

[quick lake]

Nope

Me pvp noob

Their xMaiden pvp guide was pretty good

[covert lintel]

it would be fun if SU reworked this

[quick lake]

YESSSS, IF ONLY IT STUNS

[covert lintel]

something like the caster and the target can't do anything if the target caught

[swift mango]

Except Reddit, GG and Prydwen doesn't link to any burst speed calculator. The only guide that is really needed

People would be less noob in Arena should one of those side did.

[quick lake]

Prydwen does link to burst gen calc

[covert lintel]

it's a bit different from stun, the caster get debuff as well

[swift mango]

The chart and the math behind it doesn't count.

[quick lake]

Obscure positioning, but its there

[swift mango]

What calculator was it?

[quick lake]

The google sheet one

https://www.prydwen.gg/nikke/guides/pvp-burst
If u want the location

Nowadays I just go to CN for the burst charts

[swift mango]

I never saw it, when I was reading that page.

[quick lake]

I have hoarded all the various burst calcs everywhere
JP has 1, CN has 1, nikkebuilder, Kosmiu spreadsheet

[swift mango]

New description: Immobilizes

"Both the caster and the target went to a room and did unspeakable things together. So both unavailable to use for x seconds."

[swift mango]

This is discrimination against Gatrix.

[swift mango]

I mean it is only available to use in campaigns and immobilizing is basically hitting the ESC button for PC players. So immobilizing basically does nothing in this game.

Bad initial game design at its finest

[quick lake]

Indie devs smh

[pastel owl]

if it works on volleyball and gravedigger

[lunar pawn]

little bro started using his coins/gems

[swift mango]

Gravedigger just hitting ESC then move the cursor to the circle. For volleyball it's not really worth it but ofc I guess could also use ESC to hit it once when it is moving around..

[covert lintel]

no he's not
he only did 2 attempt

[lunar pawn]

you don't even know where he climbed from

I'd have him waste another coin/gems but I had to try a blanc+helm combo yesterday

[blissful willow]

it was basically us who wrote every starter guide for pvp

no one wanted to do pvp for a year and a half

now even endgame players tryhard pvp

[quick lake]

We appreciate all your hardwork

[lunar pawn]

I mean, I personally don't care for pvp in gacha games, it's pointless and ugly

I'd rather just have the gems biweekly

but devs want us (f2ps) to tryhard for the extra income

[blissful willow]

we have a whole burst gen guide 😭

[unique wagon]

its march 2026 guys

how surprising

[signal hull]

Aggh just one more solo raid PLEASE!! 😢

[covert lintel]

i kind of understand that SU always delay CA. because if they release it with half-assed, their income could get a huge hit by whaler&veteran player's dissatisfaction and in the worse case nikke being EoS

[lunar pawn]

[blissful willow]

gonna be half assed anyways

[bleak shale]

how hard did u clench?

[hollow eagle]

I also realized my Rap not having any dolls so probably more stable now that I slap a purple on her

[bleak shale]

[unique wagon]

thgey know if they release, the elemen tof hope/waitig no longer entices people to stay.

[rustic sandal]

Can sbd help me build 3 teams for pvp

[quick lake]

Helm treasured?

[rustic sandal]

No

[keen vapor]

Is 0 stars...

[quick lake]

Scar Trina BSoda xMaiden Rumani
Noah Centi Cindy Biscuit Liter
Auto

[calm gull]

why not rh on scar team?

[quick lake]

Can auto the 3rd team

[quick lake]

Also possible. But slower burst ig

[blissful willow]

Maybe do Noise Noah and Blanc Biscuit

[keen vapor]

Trina is there, no more buffs needed

[blissful willow]

Oh a B1 needed for 3rd team nvm

[keen vapor]

That person maxed her skill 2 right

[quick lake]

Auto third team probably better

[calm gull]

right

[tulip quest]

WAO I see no C.A Legend says it Exist Like One Piece (Maybe)

[quick lake]

1/4/4 should be able to OHKO

[keen vapor]

Wait, why I leveled up mine so much then?

[quick lake]

1/4/4 can OHKO assuming scar burst maxed and opponent has no SR0 no tempering

I'll share the full sheet once im done building

Definitely still bugged in some places

[keen vapor]

Nvm, my Scar wasn't maxed

[quick lake]

Definitely good enough. Unfortunately defence is easier to get cracked nowadays

I run 2RL Scar Trina on ur T3 to nuke
Then 2RL Noah Cindy on T1,
and u've lost

If you want, can consider building Rosanna or Soda for T1

[keen vapor]

Hard to say
But I believe in a team with supporter HP and attacker HP, Helm will get Indom

So yes, switch to SBS

That way helm only needs Vigor

[swift mango]

No helmT, no Trina. Low CP. 🧱

You maybe better move on to invest in 3% raid at this point.

[keen vapor]

Oi, I have Helm treasure customer didn't

[swift mango]

Oops

[onyx scaffold]

But he has gems. He can gem back

[keen vapor]

True I'm even unlocking big amounts of synchro slots

50 no longer enough

[quick lake]

Synchro expandoooor

[tulip quest]

me too thats gonna be necessary if C.A comes out not to mention the already expanding roster of Solo Raid

[keen vapor]

Ok
I think we should lower expectations a bit

CA rewards are most likely more gems

No rocks or doll mats

[quick lake]

Noooo. Has to give doll mats

[coarse solstice]

It would be nice if they added them to the store to buy with the currency you already get

[rich quail]

Oh we can REALLY lower our expectations for CA

We all know it’s coming out in March

… of 2035

[onyx scaffold]

they will give frame to fomo ppl

[keen vapor]

[swift mango]

I think I'm over 80 long ago.

[keen vapor]

[swift mango]

In before they have 38% cs Emi.

Wait still not enough with that team

CP is the most important factor, if they 2rl your team and at 20% deficit, chances are, they still lose.

I can't even 2rl Noah+SBS my whale Scarlet+Trina at 15.7% deficit.

[dim escarp]

try to clean my team cuz someone start to claim rank 2, team 1 it's ok I guess but maybe Moran is useless as team 2 for defense, should I maybe swap to laplaceT?

Trina is not fully build I started to work on skills and OL

[blissful willow]

Can u link me this sheet

[umbral crown]

He back to C2 but he should be checking sp soon to take it back and bring a new cook

@keen vapor when C4

[coarse solstice]

How does the groups for PVP work? When they shuffle everyone is it just same server same time that you start or something else?

[coarse lake]

start time

[coarse solstice]

So I won't ever be paired with people who have been playing since day 1

[coarse lake]

for sp or rookie yes

[coarse solstice]

CA isn't real so it can't hurt me

[unique mountain]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1314994208691589192/1351973121736970351/km_20250319_480p_15f_20250319_230735.gif

[lunar pawn]

scarlet not on p1, dude's trying to be a revolutionary here

[coarse solstice]

Just like the one piece.... 🫠

[radiant storm]

Wews

[unique mountain]

[unique mountain]

You break wings with rouge?

[radiant storm]

Nope

Just pure bruteforce

Can't timing the full charge cuz its always timed in full burst

Plus I play landscape mode

[eager mountain]

messed up burst gen for that and thus losing cindy's 7th burst hit

[radiant storm]

Maybe try stalling the Mc's Charge state

The one where it has 4 qte

[eager mountain]

i said urs

[radiant storm]

Then just blitz its core then shoot the 4 qte when you're almost at the end of Full burst

[eager mountain]

cuz ur cindy dmg with ur investment should be at least 3b with hitting her 7th burst

[radiant storm]

The problem is that both my S. Anis and Maiden is at full investment

Plus my last burst is Maiden Alt

Not Cindy

[eager mountain]

cuz messed up burst gen

[radiant storm]

At last 30s, should burst Maiden Alt > then Cindy > then Maiden Alt again

[eager mountain]

thats ur 12th burst, u shouldve hit ur 13th burst which is cindy's 7th if burst gen isnt messed up

[tropic summit]

nikke 3.0

[eager mountain]

fastest possible is to burst 13th with 12seconds left, so yeah 11ish second is the maximum window u can mess up ur gen
mobile issue with slipper ig

[radiant storm]

1.Cindy
2.S. Anis
3.Cindy
4.S. Anis
5.Cindy
6.S. Anis
7.Cindy
8.S. Anis
9.Cindy
10.S. Anis
11.Cindy
12.Maiden Alt
13.Cindy
14.Maiden Alt

[radiant storm]

Well, its only at lb2 so

Seen people clearing it with core dupes

[eager mountain]

that doesnt change, ur cindy would be at least 3.1b with ur ol, u didnt hit 13th burst with her and thats the only possible reason

but yeah grats

🤔 unless mobile mess up her regular hits, shouldnt be

[radiant storm]

Ow wait, this is in Shooting Range 🤣

1.Cindy
2.S.anis
3.Cindy
4.S.anis
5.Cindy
6.S.anis
7.Cindy
8.S.anis
9.Cindy
10.Maiden Alt
11.Cindy
12.Maiden Alt

[eager mountain]

there are 2 4's

[radiant storm]

This is the 13th in shooting range

[eager mountain]

as cindy should be odd burst

[umbral belfry]

surely me getting mydei in hsr means that today i get t9m for my mains today

[radiant storm]

Like this one, 3.1, but no other damage from buffs like Maiden Alt, but solely from Helm/S.anis I guess

[eager mountain]

its same identical xmaiden team, u just need to gen fast enough to hit 13th burst with cindy for that as i said at the beginning

almost perfect gen would have 12ish seconds left, practically speaking, as long as cindy burst hits, thats enough, so 11ish seconds of mechanical error allowed

[tropic summit]

mechanical error? TiBi surprisingly being kind and not using the term "skill issue"

surely the man can take the truth

unless suddenly converted to neutral good

[eager mountain]

cuz i had 4 seconds of machinal error back then when i did it so i also had skill issue

[tropic summit]

[eager mountain]

tried to cook but end up having their helm bursting instead of rh

[tropic summit]

was that intended

[radiant storm]

I mean, I can't 13th burst by Cindy if Mc is down so....

That would be 3b if I can 13th burst by Cindy, and that would hit 6b at that point

[eager mountain]

yes, i supposed my rosa cant snipe the rh and rh will burst and die right after to my helm burst
and she didnt snipe rh, rh has some hp left
ends up that rosa sacc'd drake turn myteam into 2rl and my helm burst before their rh and rh died and their helm bursted instead

[tropic summit]

[eager mountain]

[tropic summit]

le sacc inverse sacc'ed

[eager mountain]

still needed blanc there rip, thought i cooked

[covert lintel]

focus to kill blanc but rh can b2 as well

[eager mountain]

tho if rosa 30% crit'd rh this team still wins cuz my helm was faster

[tropic summit]

4D chess def expected you to run that, clearly, surely

[eager mountain]

rh/centi b2 wasnt an issue, she dead anyway, just that she died too fast

[eager mountain]

yep, just that it would be hella confirmed and worry free of checking timer if she did burst, since u were an inch from it yesterday

[covert lintel]

yeah that was an expected outcome
i suggest u focus on killing rh instead.
sbs will do

[eager mountain]

many setups will beat that
just feeling adventurous as rail would say

won the other 2 team anyway... defense is just too hard nowadays

[tropic summit]

legend, always go adventurous

that's how the most hilarious counters are born

[swift mango]

Don't be adventurous, go for sure win.

[eager mountain]

i'd say drake's moron should cook with her

[swift mango]

Well, pretty sure I could use Drake here since she has higher CP.

[eager mountain]

but yeah only have non sanis sg in some occasional atk team now

[covert lintel]

he's not using gem anymore

[eager mountain]

as clip sg gen doesnt even average 2rl's gen in today's 2rl meta

[tropic summit]

for now

le gems are boiling

[covert lintel]

even though i atked him after 30seconds he atked me

[quick lake]

When ClipClipSG?

[tropic summit]

another nikke like HelmT

defense difficulty: impossibru

[eager mountain]

that will be treasure isabel

[pale knoll]

[tropic summit]

anything but treasure crow

[covert lintel]

and harran too

[pale knoll]

My c1 harran will finally be put to use

[eager mountain]

[radiant storm]

Need her to have Treasured and Isabel as well

Always getting Harran dupes 😒

[forest solstice]

unlocked sp arena, should i also ignore it like rookie?

[pale knoll]

Shouldn't ignore either, especially if you are early into the game

[forest solstice]

oh, should i ask for teams rn then? idk if I have enough units

[short trail]

Anyone willing to assist a casual PvP commander with some potential SP Arena teams if I share some info on the Nikke I have atm?

[pale knoll]

Yeah, someone will cook something for you

[pale knoll]

Same thing I said above

[forest solstice]

i was told to ignore arena
One second i'll post my box

[tropic summit]

yes share your teams here, ordered by strength so we can tell investiment

[pale knoll]

Especially at early-mid game, you may find yourself lacking elemental manuals to upgrade skills. You can buy those from the tickets you get from arena

Special arena is one of the main sources of gems income, shouldn't be ignored either. Only valid reason to ignore it would be if you are a returnee

Who's been gone for a lot of months

[short trail]

Here is what I have sorted by power for investment insight. There are others I own with little/no investment, so I included a list of units I don't own.

[tropic summit]

taking a look

[pale knoll]

Like this guy this for example @forest solstice

Chainsaw man collab and 321 is a returnee

Bro will be in a bracket with higher level players who didn't quit

[tropic summit]

helmT treasured? stage 2 s1 lvl 10?
reiT skills?
nero skills and investiment?

[lunar pawn]

guy has power, not f2p, but still around lvl 300? for how long did you quit

maybe no help we give you can assist you in arena

[quick lake]

Just chill pvp

[short trail]

Man I sadly stopped for a while somewhere around when Crown was release. Big regurts

[short trail]

One moment let me get the info together

[lunar pawn]

if the guy slacked in levels, even if he makes 3 solid 2RL teams it won't make up for the 200 levels difference in his bracket

[pale knoll]

If he whales again he will be fine

[tropic summit]

can try for lower diamond

[quick lake]

Pvp for try hards anyways

[lunar pawn]

here are some teams

to make them work put 5 grand into the game

[forest solstice]

I see, here’s my box btw @pale knoll

doubt I can make much of anything

[lunar pawn]

show us the synchro for the top 10 in your bracket, and those around your rank

[tropic summit]

throw bsoda in the synchro

[forest solstice]

she’s good?

[tropic summit]

you're lacking good B3s, at least she'd a mid tier nuke

[quick lake]

Better to just auto and focus on campaign

[tropic summit]

you can make 2 teams and 1 cp pad

[forest solstice]

what are they? not too familiar with arena team building

[pale knoll]

Are you calling my waifu mid

[tropic summit]

i'll give you teams assuming you've bsoda on at least 1/1/4

[tropic summit]

she's mid tier nuke, although I like her design

[forest solstice]

she’s 1/1/1

[pale knoll]

[short trail]

No Treasure on Helm - but I do have the mats to do it I think. Only have 110 of the material, and I think you need 160 to max? Skills are currently 5/5/7
ReiT - very minimal. Skills 4/4/4
Nero - OL gear in all slots but lvl 0. Skills 7/7/7

[forest solstice]

am I just cooked then

[short trail]

Really struggling for mats to level gear. Other than that I have a decent amount of mats like skills books, etc

[quick lake]

No point focusing on pvp at sync 95. Good gear alone is likely 20% more cp

iirc, at that sync, one t9M probably triples ur cp

[forest solstice]

okay I see. I won’t worry too much about it then

[short trail]

Yeah Im kinda cooked lol.. I usually hover D10-9 whic I am cool with, but lately its been harder than usual to do even that

[pale knoll]

Most people in his bracket will be in the same situation, so getting a head start isn't bad either

[forest solstice]

have any cope teams for me then

[pale knoll]

I'm just a lurker here

https://tenor.com/view/peepo-leave-pepe-the-frog-walk-out-bye-gif-17020862

[tropic summit]

blanc ein biscuit liter trina
naga alice anis mana noise
rouge centi quiry bsoda dkw

ironically can't even form a CP pad team because you've less than 15 nikke that can be used

[forest solstice]

thank you so much my good sir

[tropic summit]

no problem

[tropic summit]

why is your Nero so well invested

(on the skills at least)

[forest solstice]

I can leave quiry untouched though right

[tropic summit]

put her at least in synchro

focus on campaign team anyway, you want blanc, rouge, liter, ein, alice and naga built the most

[forest solstice]

I am noirless 😔 I do have rouge though

[short trail]

LOL. I saw cat girl and brain went brrr. Also that event story was sad af so I had to help her out

[tropic summit]

ye that's fine, blanc can run with either

[tropic summit]

your biscuit is just out of synchro right?

[short trail]

Errr I mispoke earlier. Nero does not have the OL, skills are actually 6/6/5 (was prev looking at Naga by mistake)
Biscuit is just out of synchro but I can slot her in np

[tropic summit]

oke then it's doable

[tropic summit]

grave trina cind centi rrh
scarlet blanc rh noir jackal
noah biscuit rapu s.anis sbs

cubes

quantum on jackal, centi, trina
vigor on blanc, biscuit, rapu
resil on s.anis, s.anis must be lvl 9 burst, have no ammo OL

notes: finish helmT, s1 lvl 10, stage 2
notes2: build CP on your utilities, in particular biscuit, noah, jackal
notes3: longer term, raise CP on your noise and will replace RRH with her
notes4: longer term, T3 and T2 will need to be redone and remove SG feed and CP padding SBS

your attack teams will be cindy and scarlet

scarlet against any noah-less team with high fire rate nikke (MGs, SGs, SMGs... etc)
cindy team against any noah-less team, possibly slower team

[short trail]

I really appreciate you taking the time to assist and break it down for me. Going to give this a go and see how I perform go-forward

[tropic summit]

if you're not too familiar/experienced with pvp you can also throw here the matchups and get tips if you're expected to lose or win

should slowly get you experienced and being able to decide better on your own what to run

[cobalt token]

Is Trina good for pvp?

[tropic summit]

yes

[umbral belfry]

another day no t9m

[tropic summit]

game is actively nerfing you

reminding you everyday that you're too strong

[umbral belfry]

blessing me in one gacha today only to curse me in another

[tropic summit]

[umbral belfry]

in any case, my sp team will reach 700k soon moving on up

next goal is to get at least one decent 2RL team

[tropic summit]

hime cookin'

[umbral belfry]

I'll see you soon helmt

[umbral belfry]

only lv7 on s1 tho

[tropic summit]

[onyx scaffold]

how do we calculate cs on gears again?

[tropic summit]

17% for all batteries, 21% for emi, with extra threshold on 38%

can use this to mess around with it

https://nikke-deck.web.app/

3 blue lines are enough for that
2 blue lines + 1 black line
else 4 normal lines

[onyx scaffold]

i mean something like 4.6% on head then 4.9% on body and arm. then what is the total?

[oak gale]

aaaaaaaa

[tropic summit]

#pvp-arena message

[onyx scaffold]

4.33 is rounded to 4 or 4.3?

[tropic summit]

rounds to 4%

[tropic summit]

in specific (charge speed / CS)

[quasi prism]

I pray your normal pulls graces you with a red hood

[radiant storm]

Yey I guess

[strange linden]

would 2RL scarlet comp work here? it's a 3RL comp but surprised to see SBS, wonder if there's a shenanigan I don't know

[radiant storm]

Copy that comp and change Sbs to S. Anis or Rapipi

[tropic summit]

this wipes anything that does not 2RL noah

it's essentially scarlet nuke with blanc + RH + RH again

in specific the enemy team will have only noah and centi survive due to biscuit s2

unless your trina is not x/7/x, RH is not built, scarlet is bricked and weaker than x/x/7

it's the ultimate no brainer team

[sudden drift]

is 12% charge speed enough for me to swap out lvl 5 adjuvant cube for something like lvl 9 resilience ?

Those are just from overloading her, haven’t started spending rocks yet

[keen vapor]

Which unit?

[sudden drift]

sorry, THelm

[pale knoll]

Recommended invest on scarlet is xx7?

[lunar pawn]

101010 or bust

[vernal trellis]

how does a team of jackal scarlet noah biscuit cindy sound for rookie arena

[lunar pawn]

uh why cindy

isn't that like 3RL too

[sudden drift]

i know it sounds dumb to ask but im starting to juggle cubes around to better balance my defense squads... getting to the point where im starting to get gangbanged by #1 & #3

[vernal trellis]

because i dont have any other of the units in sss tier and idk what else to use

[keen vapor]

More Helm shots won't help you against nuke

[lunar pawn]

post roster

[vernal trellis]

ok

[lunar pawn]

also you don't want a taunter in the middle positions

[sudden drift]

need it moreso to balance out CP deficits between three teams.

[vernal trellis]

Didn’t know where else to put scarlet I was told that with jackal I wanted her and the 2 other dps units in 125

[lunar pawn]

noah scarlet rapunzel centi jackal could work

[keen vapor]

You need 17%

And, best way to CP pad units are overloads

3 lines each gear with high phases

[vernal trellis]

can you explain a bit
and are there any important skill upgrades besides maxed scarlet or can i leave the rest at 111

[lunar pawn]

honestly I suggest you read the skills first to understand what they do

scarlet s2 is a counter, and s1 buffs her attack

[vernal trellis]

yea I think I was told to go 10 4/7 10 but someone here said all 10 or bust on her

[sudden drift]

tks, guess ill keep things as is. blew all rocks on SBS and been gearing up noah atm.

[lunar pawn]

that was me

[vernal trellis]

ah

[lunar pawn]

you can do 747 and 10710 eventually

[vernal trellis]

ill just stick with refering to nikke.gg for skill levels

does that sound like a good plan

[lunar pawn]

I don't really use that website so Idk if it's updated

some random here earlier said they updated it with trina info but Idk

[sudden drift]

prydwen did update tho

[crystal flicker]

Nikke.gg did tier list revision and making Trina guide

[eager mountain]

poor nero moran
his moran is hella invested tho

[pale knoll]

Cindy just wiped the floor with them

[eager mountain]

yet another reason why biscuit needed for moran def setup

[keen vapor]

What to use instead of Quiry

Why I'm asking, I can't overload

[eager mountain]

lol

the team id wanna see ppl cooking with is helm b3 and trina b2

[pale knoll]

Start cooking then

[eager mountain]

no mat

[pale knoll]

Reset

[eager mountain]

no reset

[pale knoll]

Such is life isn't it

[eager mountain]

such is su

[pale knoll]

Dw, the Chinese will save us by making nikke top 1 grossing between gachas. That'll make su improve their game

[harsh pilot]

Question: If my opponent has their team set-up as 1 2 3, I click "battle" so that his teams pop up but I don't click start, and then the opponent changes their team positions to 3 2 1 and saves it, and only after that do I click "start" while still looking at 1 2 3, will I fight 1 2 3 or 3 2 1?

[umbral crown]

[eager mountain]

the chinese will certainly save nikke from accidentally making contents that can butthurt ccp into the whole china boycotting nikke and rip

[tawny kestrel]

hey dude sorry to disturb you again but i got 2 trina's in a ten pull should i add her somewhere?

[swift mango]

How did you win that biscuit could change it?

[eager mountain]

if moran lives she might wipe depending on investments on both sides and bursts
succeeding that once is enough fear factor... defense is a joke anyway

[eager mountain]

likely still the same team order, aka the order before they swap, dont ask how i tested it, takes vengeance

[swift mango]

Moran can't solo tank a Cindy after burst normal attack no matter investment

Or any buffed attacker for that matters

[tawny kestrel]

anyone else willing to take a look?

[eager mountain]

🤔 cindy dmg during fb is certainly fairly high

[swift mango]

All the time you see a Moran solo, she solo it against low attack supporter and Defender.

[keen vapor]

[eager mountain]

well ur also burning gems

why not just use it, hoard is only for boxes anyway

[thorn pagoda]

haven't spent any gems against him yet. still have the 5 arena chips from compensation too lol
i'll let him waste his gems for a few more days. 1 week left
i'll still be 3rd >:)

[eager mountain]

[swift mango]

It's some masochistic problem that I have nothing to do with.

[eager mountain]

woah

yeah 381 and he gonna deal with even more painful deficit

[junior briar]

No it'll just not let you attack and said the opponent has change their team and kick you out

[swift mango]

I see some whale who wanted to compete with F2P 30 level below them? Proposedly keeping his level low to bait the poor F2P to waste gem? Is that it?

[junior briar]

So yes you can technically be immuned to being attacked if you keep swapping team nonstop for 24 hours

[eager mountain]

didnt work

[swift mango]

You can't save core dust for any profit. You need to save core dust boxes to open it later on after you clear more story for profit. What you are doing isn't saving, it's just flexing.

[junior briar]

Ok? How do you know?

[thorn pagoda]

hit a major roadblock in the campaign and decided to open them

[eager mountain]

mashing swap myself

[junior briar]

I saw someone sent a feedback from a guy doing that with macro

[junior briar]

Prob didnt swap fast enough?

[junior briar]

[thorn pagoda]

21-31 was hell

[eager mountain]

fairly fast, but yeah not gonna be macro level of speed

[swift mango]

@pale knoll see, I'm not that bad at clearing campaign.

[junior briar]

Or they fixed it ...
Id rather trust you then

[eager mountain]

this, mashing random swap didnt stop any of his atk, 4 months ago, happy thanksgiving

[junior briar]

Kekek

[swift mango]

Yeah, it was pretty hard if you aren't invested in campaign clearing, having the right units and playing on PC.

But just use all that dust and then clear up to ch27+ then.

[eager mountain]

no reason to hoard raw cd when u can use it for campaign

[thorn pagoda]

psychological warfare >:)

[eager mountain]

at the cost of cd for future warfares

[thorn pagoda]

all it takes is a little patience

[pale knoll]

Just because he is, doesn't mean you aren't

[junior briar]

What is the idea of this team

My man is so desperate to use a stall team defense

[eager mountain]

garbo moran variations

[swift mango]

I'm the normal guy playing campaign phone game on phone here. 90% of the player doesn't make it better than me.

Just because you clear a bit faster at the cost of 1 stage an hour doesn't mean other are bad at it.

Otherwise, 99% people in this game are bad at campaign. Which is bllshit

[eager mountain]

this is the gamer logic a lot of the times, top rank gonna think everything below is dogw*ter

"im grandmaster so anything below grandmaster is low rank" etc

[calm gull]

PvE and PvP is a different thing after all

[keen vapor]

Give good Moran variation then

[eager mountain]

all def are garbage since thelm but this is less garbo then other moran def

[pale knoll]

Why do you keep giving it so much importance? You are the one pinging me randomly for no reason and gets mad

[upper grove]

biiiig moran

[junior briar]

I think 90% of players are bad at campaign is true cuz casuals

[upper grove]

which is fine tbh, being bad at something in a gacha literally doesn't matter in the end

[junior briar]

Is there any reason XMaiden?

[eager mountain]

depends on how bad is defined, usually id say below average for active players

[thorn pagoda]

every gacha is pay2win and anyone who disagrees is in denial

[eager mountain]

has to xmaiden to both 2rl and anti rosa cutting burst chain (back up non attacker b3 with gen)

[junior briar]

Sounds like a skill issue

[eager mountain]

and well, she also gives a tiny FB buff, not a reason tho

[upper grove]

in nikke specifically it's still kinda cool to get high deficit clears, that's still achieveable w/o paying at least

just costs sanity and time

[thorn pagoda]

yeah, after all
it's just a mobile game

it takes time
not skill

[upper grove]

but pvp, solo raid and union raid? pay more ez game

[junior briar]

Play something like wuwa for a change

[faint sage]

Is red hood a good dps for PvP?

[upper grove]

hmm I'd say high deficit campaign clears can definitely benefit from skill tbh

but that's a self imposed challenge

[thorn pagoda]

not entirely sure. youtube tutorials exist and people follow those

[swift mango]

Well, I just ping you for fun. But it's not like I'm mad at it right now just because I figured your statement need to be corrected.

[upper grove]

but someone has to do it 1st and there are other legit strats if comp is different, investment etc so there are some variations, even though the campaign meta is p much solved for the most part

there are also some degenerates like me who mald a map until I can't take it anymore and look it up

sometimes it works out without looking it up

[upper grove]

she's okay, suffers vs indom or defender + biscuit, she's mainly a B1 buffer

keripos spreadsheet has some good explanations

[swift mango]

Solo raid is only really about skill when you have the same investment as the top ranks guys and compete to be the very top. Otherwise, you could have more "skill" and still lower rank.

But it's the same for all game mode.

Union raid is the most about money though. Since it has no cap level....

[junior briar]

https://youtu.be/z4K8CzGO-m0?si=Zl7HqDQdcaEio_3-

[eager mountain]

good that i didnt touch wuwa

good art style that i like means ill whale again

[thorn pagoda]

i've noticed to get good at solo raid, you need to get the best OL enhancements (the black ones) and try to obtain as many upgrade stars as you can for the nikkes

solo raid is actually quite a challenge when trying to aim for the highest reward III

everybody in pvp just copies each other

[junior briar]

Top raiders like kira run is sometimes 12-16 hours long

[upper grove]

yeah as I said, pay more = easier SR

[swift mango]

Yeah, it's much more money to spend than just a few core dust for arena.

But level bricked F2P could still be 3% if they played long enough... Arena, no way... It's the most about CP lol...

[thorn pagoda]

💯
that's why #1 in my bracket only gets the I solo raid reward
(myself included)

[coarse lake]

Solo raid is not actually that whaley unless top 200

I was getting 3% consistently before I had a single nikke over 60% ele

Just need the right units built decently, and the right comps

[eager mountain]

lb just a plus despite being a whale factor, good elem for all elem attacker is mandatory... with optimized team/dmg

but spending those rocks likely means theres no rocks for pvp
as a lot of units in sr is pretty much useless everywhere else

[upper grove]

starting a bit later, I will most likely hit my 1st 3% next SR, 7-8 months in. lack of investment for 5 teams hurts, had to focus on campaign 1st, then securing c1-6 in arena before committing to SR

[swift mango]

People often invest in Solo raid because pvp isn't that competitive anyway, just play daily and you will get high rank even if your investment is shit. Especially on global..

Only recently, that people focus on Arena because Solo raid require more and more investment that F2P player after crown could hardly catch up.

[coarse lake]

If not sync diffed, 90% of pvp rocks is just initial ols

[swift mango]

So most people who said Solo raid is easier than it should be are on Global and high synch level. Lol

[eager mountain]

cp and cs always a factor alongside atk/elem, takes rocks, but initial ol for non-carry is good enough for most ppl ig

[upper grove]

I definitely notice starting later because the lack of xp fodder for even base OL is real

[swift mango]

New player 1 month in right now would need to be very lucky to even get the unit required for solo raid from the random pool, let alone invested in them with the constant powercreep but still need old units to fill. They would easily find it more prominent to just rank high in their Arena for more gem....

But then their arena started becoming more compete that way, and they can't split their investment to Solo raid anymore if they wanted to keep their rank. The vicious cycle

[upper grove]

yeah can't focus on both SR and arena as a new player, SR just frames, arena way better for pulls