pvp-arena

[full dew]

Sanis spanks her first then Rosanna clean up, problem is, it doesn't matter

[keen vapor]

Gatrix

[full dew]

Rapu always revives her

[worthy knoll]

Just need to know Rosanna will hit her

[keen vapor]

Rosanna core 4 😭

[full dew]

I like those odds

[keen vapor]

True

Other target could matter if I don't use Biscuit tho

[full dew]

who in the sane mind put cooldown here? Did you all spam here so it has 10s slow mode for no reason?

[keen vapor]

saaaaaaa

5 seconds is too fast tho

|| @rich quail this is your fault ||

[lime night]

Would anyone have advice against this team? im planing to try
Noah Crown Sanis Biscuit Rapunzel

but im open to other options

[keen vapor]

Crown? That's too slow, classic Scar jack doesn't do the work?

[full dew]

that's 3 RL Emilia, just run 4 RL stall team
Noah Noise Biscuit Sanis Crown

[limber rampart]

omg unbelievable how did i win this guy that i have never before?
dmn this is miracle

[lime night]

crown on purpose so it slows down noah burst to block emilia

use to work, but the guys cp went up not sure if itll still work

[full dew]

another option is
Jackal Blanc HelmT Centi Rumani.
Bonk Emilia, Red and Jackal before they can do anything

[lime night]

ill give that a try as well if it doesnt work thanks!

[full dew]

then uhm, of course, the 2 RL fastshit, Scar Jackal Trina Centi Rumani

a full build Rosanna can also do
Scarlet Trina Rosanna Jackal Centi/Rumani. This one has its own disadvantage because SR 15 Red will prevent your 40% ATK burst 10 Rosanna kill her

speak from experience

[keen vapor]

How it will bonk Emilia if you hit Noah biscuited with Helm

[full dew]

2 RL HelmT

that team is 3 RL so HelmT will hit first

[keen vapor]

But it targets P1

[full dew]

no, it targets HIGHEST ATK

[keen vapor]

Rosanna burst 3

[full dew]

Noah will soak this hit if somehow she burst before Helm (Noah has Attract buff on burst)

[keen vapor]

~~So that's why Helm burst did hit random mob instead on campaign ~~

Stupid Indom

Now I need to use Vigor on RH

[shell hazel]

[keen vapor]

Tf, triple buff Emilia makes him tickle

Or maybe I should deactivate Emi 21%

Wait, her lines are already 5+3

Can't deactivate a thing

Nuke was blocked, how to go slower

[pale knoll]

Embrace no cs on rl

[swift mango]

Why Rossana not hitting 1-2-3 but 1-4-2?

[worthy knoll]

Don't ask me, ask whoever programmed her

[glad meteor]

Do you have vid. 2.5RL should go through 3RL

Noise p4 taunt boosts gen somewhat

Imagine scalter gen inconsistent based on who has lowest defence

But still

[keen vapor]

Hey, true
Watched the record and that happens

So he's Emilia-proof

Impressive

[coarse lake]

does anyone have vids of p1 dying due to raw dmg and getting revived by mana

@lusty gull hello, I noticed you added the ammo count to the nikke deck

would it be possible for you to convert them to jackal feed numbers? like gatrix calc

[swift mango]

I have it somewhere but too lazy to search.

You could just try it in rookie, easy

[quick lake]

Comm cord Mana unit thread has pvp vids

[coarse lake]

the setup should be to find the largest multiple of 10 in the left number, then multiplying that by 3.55, the largest multiple of 5 for right number, multiply by 3.55

can prob check gatrix calc to make sure

[quick lake]

5 pellets feeds 3.55/2 gen? nvm ignore me

[lusty gull]

i think i will handle this on deck versus deck page if there's jackal

but maybe i can also show this burst gen information somewhere on the deck page

[coarse lake]

what other use is there for ammo count tho?

large amount of bullets vs small amount when dealing with someone like emma should be all the distinction needed, don't need numbers for that

[lusty gull]

i will think about it

[upper grove]

Soo it's been a few days of Trina now:
Is she worth replacing the blanc jackal team as def? I know that on attack with 2RL she can help oneshotting with a glasscannon team

[keen vapor]

Yes

[dire root]

In theory scarlet should do big damage on activation but in the past it has been not enough.

[wise horizon]

Is T1 ok?

[upper grove]

It basically frees up comps like other blanc jackal teams or blanc biscuit then

[dire root]

Yeah loss was expected really

it feels like you need like 10 investment into a AOE nuke for it to do enough damage to be worth

for it to actually hurt the other team

Liter, defense debuff on enemy team, trina buffering scarlet, still not enough.

[bleak shale]

A measure of how badly scar s2 blasts u

[upper grove]

Your scar wasn't buffed by trina in that comp though

[dire root]

Why not?

[upper grove]

Centi is b2

Assuming centi survives until burst because of Biscuit, burst would be liter centi scar

At lower sync like us a 1-2 buff scar should oneshot almost every time

[dire root]

Should would have gotten the damage buff though from Trina, It is under the skill 2 not her burst so the assumption is that it doesn't need to be her burst.

Also I kind of missed that bottom part of her burst I assumed the electric buff was in the skill 2

[upper grove]

Afaik in the 400-500+ range it can get difficult with SR15

[upper grove]

Using burst meana she has to use it

[dire root]

Then why wouldn't it be labled under her burst skill effects?

this is stupid

[upper grove]

Otherwise it would say "enter burst" or something along those lines

[dire root]

just label everything a burst skill does under the burst skill

[upper grove]

You can test it in shooting range

[dire root]

instead of doing this weird thing where you spread out it's effects between the 3 skills

[upper grove]

Just test it, I'm confident trina has to burst

[dire root]

Trina died before burst activation

I still won for some reason, RNG moment I suppose.

I should probably get a defender that isn't a burst II for P1 next time.

to act as meat shield.

[bleak shale]

It's so they make u level her burst and s2

Is the real answer

[dire root]

I saw that but ignored it because I know skills can be a bit weird about their wording sometimes and decided to trust that it didn't mean her burst because it wasn't under her burst skill effects.

[bleak shale]

They realized we leave skills at low level when it's bad so they cut up good skills to make them equally decent, or try to

[dire root]

Ah makes sense.

[upper grove]

At least trina s1 is only healing

[pale knoll]

Why is sbs s2 beyond 7 still useless

[bleak shale]

maybe cuz the math chats dont talk about ammo rounding publicly very much

it really feels like the game devs seem to learn more as we learn more sometimes

[pale knoll]

Forgot this is an indie company, silly me

[bleak shale]

imagine if we had a unit that scaled off caster's charge speed and no1 knew until about 1 month before sbs launch

and sbs has a crazy 0.3s charge time

[pale knoll]

Indeed

[upper grove]

Imagine doing the worst stat padding possible by going S2 to 10

[swift mango]

Should be fine. Could move HelmT to p2 to be sure.

[swift mango]

Would you refer all of ever good skill concentrate on S3 or s1+2? Trina is cheaper investment simply because 80% of her buff belong to s2.

[sonic juniper]

Hi, would like to update my 3 teams for sp arena, please and thank you!

[swift mango]

With destruction cube lv1 Jackal deal 105k to cover. With quantum lv7, Jackal deal 106k to cover.

So destruction cube part dmg doesn't work on cover. Maybe other part dmg doesn't work on cover as well.

@bleak shale

I guess I shouldn't take secondhand knowledge as fact anymore. Thanks for the reminder...

[tough stone]

Jackal links to 2 ally units with the highest ATK. The "attack stat" is determined from their attack amount plus the attack % from the overload gear, right?

[tropic summit]

attached are 2 variations you could be running, pick the cp one first and see if it works, else try the speed one (it will require investiment, although it will be probably more resistant to attackers if built)

cubes

quantum on jackal, trina, centi, rumani
vigor on biscuit, rapunzel, blanc, noise
temperance on noah
any other nikke run highest lvl cube

Notes: highly suggest investing in rosanna at your synch lvl, 7/10/10 SR15 4OL with 30-40atk%, consider laplace+ on high elem. attack aswell
Raise your CP overall on your utilities (jackal, blanc, centi, rumani, trina, biscuit, noah)

[tropic summit]

correct, e.g.

scarlet 200k but 10% atk
emilia 190k but 40%atk
RH 210k but 40% atk

RH will be first, emi will be 2nd, scarlet will be 3rd

[tough stone]

So you have to calculate this yourself since the total amount is not shown in the status screen?

[tropic summit]

it's generally advisable, although blabla link makes it easier as it sums all the atk% OL into one

then you just gotta do as above, show atk and atk% then make the calcs

either that or test it ingame and see who's linked when running that comp

(can be a campaign stage)

[tough stone]

Thanks for the reply.

[gaunt viper]

Thoughts on how to beat this comp?

[tropic summit]

defender lineup

[sonic juniper]

Thank you, much appreciated!

[gaunt viper]

Whats the Defender Lineup? or you mean my defender lineup cause that doesn't work either

[lone sequoia]

rapu centi swap (?

[upper grove]

Using no attackers because of rosanna

[tropic summit]

the whole point is to deny rosanna and still get to 2RL noah, you can achieve that in a few ways, the most common

[swift mango]

Just do a common 2rl Noah+SBS and don't link.

[gaunt viper]

I did try this afterwards btw

[swift mango]

This is nowhere 2rl..

[gaunt viper]

it worked for 2 attempts then the 3rd lost

[tropic summit]

too slow for that one

[lone sequoia]

slow team, not the same

[wise horizon]

T1 didn’t work out 😦

[swift mango]

https://nikke-deck.web.app/

Use this to build your team and check the speed. Can't be easier than this

[swift mango]

Apparently they have CS on Rapu or sth and your slash wasn't strong enough. Couldn't be helped.

First time since synch~220 ended the day as C1 and didn't use 1 attack.

My CN just failed an attack and the Gemmer got bored because he couldn't beat the CN whale def so didn't bother to hit me

[gaunt viper]

I've been wondering for a long while now but just never asked it because i didn't want to look dumb. how do I do the RL matchups exactly? like 2RL vs 3RL and such, like how do I know what to change/do by that phrasing

[lone sequoia]

sp rank doesn't matter

fight and get experience

[swift mango]

0.5 RL faster and your B3 would be before enemy B2.

1rl faster and your B3 would be before enemy B1.

Assuming no CS to change the actual RL speed.

[tropic summit]

a question you should've asked long time ago then

the long version:

Burst generation is one of the most important parameters when building a team. The importance of speed will be discussed more in-depth in the “Meta” section, here I’ll explain how burst generation works and a bit about the lexicon used for PvP.

Essentially, Nikkes generate burst whenever they hit an enemy, either with a skill or through firing their weapon (+ Jackal’s S1, which is a bit of an oddball in here). Usually, when talking about how fast a team bursts in Arena, we use RLs or SGs as reference since they’re the 2 best weapons for filling your burst gauge, and we attach a number depending on how many shots from that weapon type it takes to fill the burst gauge (for example, a 3RL team would be a team that fills the burst gauge within the time it takes for their RLs to fire 3 times).

sauce: https://nikke.gg/arena-mechanics/

the TL;DR:

with enough batteries you can hit 2RL,3RL,4RL depending on how many you use.
2RL is faster than 3RL, 3RL than 4RL and so on

[swift mango]

Well, it matters for those who want gems. But my bracket C1-3 aren't changed for a 2 season now so it doesn't matter indeed.

[gaunt viper]

your SP rank 1 to my 10 cause people keep knocking me down as soon as I rank higher

[swift mango]

The whale just wanted to try and hold the rank over me. Since we have been together since the begin. The Gemmer just wanted to gem to C1 and keep it but gotten disheartened after failing to beat the CN whale def because 40 lv gapped.

I just hit the whale for fun this season because I wasted the Gemmer gem enough last season.

The whale doesn't gem so he stripped once today on attack and let me keep C1.

[wise horizon]

Any chance I could change the outcome? @tropic summit @swift mango

[swift mango]

Good to be in a bracket where no one wanted to hit the top 3.

[gaunt viper]

So with this being the case, That comp you suggested earlier would be a 2RL vs 2RL, from there how do you have a clear way of knowing that they would win or should?

[swift mango]

How much CP is your team on auto?

[gaunt viper]

Mine hasn't been like that in months, if nothing else, since the last shuffle it's only been more active. I haven't been below SP rank 7 in several months if not longer.

that is until now anyway

[swift mango]

I started pulling away my CP from the other F2P in my bracket so unless more spent players come they won't beat me.

Anytime me soon.

[tropic summit]

is that an indom biscuit

why it feels like we've already saw that before

[sudden badger]

i forgot to ask for a good team in rookie arena after i got helm favourite item (phase 2)
pls help

[shell hazel]

the best one to indom 😄

[wise horizon]

If I remove crown from T3 then it’s 910k

[gaunt viper]

mines just been neck and neck so no luck there

[swift mango]

Well, this should be able to beat the scarlet team.

[pale knoll]

[swift mango]

Who is the next high CP you can put to t3 then? Naga?

Maybe move Rapipi and Crown to p4-5. Cindy to p1.

[tropic summit]

unprotected noah in T3... glass cannon in T2...

[swift mango]

Would be easy if he had Noah.

[tropic summit]

my god get noah already @wise horizon

turn T2 in indom then

[wise horizon]

dont blame me! its been in my wishlist since wishlist began.....

[swift mango]

673/911 is 27% deficit, you would auto attack Scarlet team.

Why aren't you reply to my comment when you asked for advise @wise horizon

[gaunt viper]

So if the Scarlet is my competition and the Cindy is the squad suggested from Railtracer, how would I interpret this?

[swift mango]

You would win. 2rl team both. So Noah block Scarlet. Even with CS it's hard for Scarlet to slash before Noah. Need at least 20% CS on all RL and SR of his team. Which is crazy luck or investment.

And you need 0% CS on one of your Clip RL as well...

[gaunt viper]

Huh ok, Noah doesn't have CS

[tropic summit]

blood is overcomplicating it, just know that your noah needs to live to 2RL, enemy team has no sustain so if you absorb their burst they've no way to come back

objective 1: deny rosanna, rosanna targets attackers, there are only 1 attacker in your team and that attacker can die for all we care, you're B3ing with cindy, noah will be hit instead but she's invulnerable from biscuit
objective 2: kill them, since you're invulnerable for 3second and you're busting with cindy while they got no anti nuke, you can tell where that is going

[wise horizon]

Naga has high CP so I could put her in T3 and shift crown to T1 and try out a high CP auto.

[gaunt viper]

hmmmm, so how do I know when a 2RL vs 2RL match up won't work 🤔

[tropic summit]

know what each nikke is doing and play it in your head

experience generally makes it far easier, the more you see archetypes the better

[swift mango]

Do you have Trina?

[gaunt viper]

I'm not sure how the new Trina fits into that archetype but I've been seeing her a lot

[shell hazel]

buffer for scarlet/moran

[wise horizon]

nope, although i know shes useful in pvp >.<

[shell hazel]

general battery unit with good burst gen

[dire root]

I wonder how much deficit I would need to combat power bully.

this isn't nearly enough.

[upper zephyr]

I beat this person once in rookie, they attack me twice and change defence team

[swift mango]

Do you have Anis SR OL? Or Moran? And DEF up cube lv4+?

[shell hazel]

multiply your combat power by 0.846 and you get the minimum the opponent needs

[tropic summit]

@gaunt viper a few standard archetype you should know

standard scar-jack - top left
standard anti indom (stall teams with noah+biscuit) - top right
standard anti emi (1RL slower noah) - bottom left
2RL indom (SBS in this case) - bottom right

[swift mango]

You could process with auto attack team 2. Though.

Can I see you box? I think I was tunnel vision here. You could also scarjack team 3 and 2rl Blanc team 2.

[dire root]

Naga beating red hood in a 1v1 that is the funniest thing I have seen in pvp.

[gaunt viper]

huh, i wasn't aware of the Anti Emi, I just used Indom against her to win

[dire root]

their red hood investment must be so bad

[tropic summit]

trina 2RL is just a glass cannon, as we discussed earlier just ensure you get a 2RL noah going, like the team we discussed before

[tropic summit]

if you fight often enough on SP arena / rookie you should familiarize yourself with the most common archetypes

even a loss can be a valuable lesson

[gaunt viper]

I haven't seen that one all that often honestly, the anti emi one, I'm familiar with most of them otherwise tho Rosanna throws a wrench in the works as well as Jackal/Biscuit sometimes

[keen vapor]

It's over I couldn't get Trina

[tropic summit]

for rookie run

Centi cind helmT RH jackal (2RL)

[gaunt viper]

I have yet to try for her (tho is plan to) but that doesn't bode well

[wise horizon]

moran is OL geared and Endurance cube is lvl 5

[forest solstice]

would biscuit be better here instead of trina

[swift mango]

You could also SR Anis p1 (vigor) + Naga (def cube) + Biscuit (DEF cube) + RH (DEF cube) + Centi team SBS.

This would force SBS and his whole team to hit on invulnerable SR Anis and not do any dmg.

[dire root]

I'm dumb, I should have waited longer before taking 2nd.

[wise horizon]

wouldnt bay be a good substitute to put in Pos1 instead of noah for T2

[gaunt viper]

it worked out btw , now I just gotta somehow figure out my SP arena def cause somehow despite having help here making a def squad, people 40 sync lvls lower are beating it

[tropic summit]

cuz i was probably drunk and copypasted wrong, fixed it now (should've been a noah)

[forest solstice]

[tropic summit]

yeah went as we expected, ros shoot p1 (lack of second attacker, default to p1 if alive) and p5 (1 attacker)

[tropic summit]

uh let's see

[gaunt viper]

hmmmm this'll be a hard concept for me to grasp but I think I'll probably get the hang of it soon enough, it's mainly just knowing how to combat things in terms of RL and such 😅

[swift mango]

If you wanted to use bay to beat Scarlet team instead of CP gap... Maybe put Tempering on HelmT too because Rail is worried.

Good luck mate. Now pass the ball to our guru @tropic summit

[tropic summit]

would emilia be able to destroy Bay cover within 2RL? @swift mango

hence why you placed bay in p4

yeah that would work

[swift mango]

Bay p4, Emi won't hit her. If you scared of Emi hitting p4 due to bug then you could move bay to p5...

[tropic summit]

wat she can hit p4?

[swift mango]

Emi normal attack only hit p1-2-3...

Idk, if she could hit p4, it would be some kind of bug.

[tropic summit]

yes start messing more with burst gen calcs and making your own teams based on opponents, you'll learn it soon enough

in general you'll want to start with noah teams and scarlet teams

as those are the most general purpose you can go

[tropic summit]

@wise horizon you can give this team Blood suggest a go, it's very similar to what i was thinking, with extra safety of bay in p4 (should prevent her cover to be destroyed pre burst)

[swift mango]

Or he could auto attack Scarlet team with a 27% deficit...

[gaunt viper]

That's true, for a SP def comp, what number RL is usually the best to make them off? like my t1 is 3RL, t2 is 3RL with Scarlet, and t3 is 2.5RL with Noah

or are there too many variables to go off for there to be a viable option

[tropic summit]

realistically speaking, there's no unbeatable def (unless you're a spender), although what you can do is reduce the chance of it being broken too easily

on average, make at least 3 teams on 3RL, ideally aim for 2 teams that are 2RL or can reach 2RL with feed

[gaunt viper]

hmmm okay, I'll try and do that

[tropic summit]

you can get inspirations from these @gaunt viper

#pvp-arena message

[wise horizon]

@swift mango
Run with this and put Tempering cube on THelm, Bay and Moran for dmg reduction

[tropic summit]

uh

@swift mango you confident emi survives 5RL against that? it's laplace hitting p2 🤔

[swift mango]

It's 3.3-3.5rl defending on CS (0-8+%) assuming Emi s1lv10. You could check Natsu video... I had this team as an example of burst calculator does wrong long ago.

One of the trick is that, RH Pierce cover.

[tropic summit]

🤨

[swift mango]

100 gem well spent super lucky today with dispatch....

[umbral belfry]

it should've been me

[wise horizon]

For research purposes, here’s the result. @tropic summit

[gaunt viper]

I ended up making a 2.5RL, 3RL, and 2RL. was the best i could do, it's hard to make a squad that can make using scarlet lower and 3RL without making the rest worse

[brazen ledge]

i just realized but why doesn't elegg s2 works in arena ?

ez 0rl burst bruh

[wise horizon]

nice!!

[whole shell]

because "target" means boss

there are no boss enemies in arena

[brazen ledge]

The enemy noah is a boss bro wdym

[dark olive]

Need help making a pvp team. My current one is Scarlet, Blanc, RH, Centi, Jackal.

Would love to see advice for 5 pvp arena teams if possible

[brazen ledge]

Why 5 pvp arena teams ?

[dark olive]

oops I meant the 3 team pvp mode

[upper grove]

In general: if I'm able to 2 2RL teams and the last team is a weird 4RL team or 3RL team with SR anis, should I go for it or rather 1 2RL team + 2 3RL?

[brazen ledge]

So def teams ig

[brazen ledge]

Just see if all are solid teams that aren’t so easily countered

[upper grove]

2RL cindy team 2 RL scar trina, last one is currently a biscuit team with defender p1, either blanc or a battery

[crystal flicker]

for CA

Emilia

Sync 281

Scarlet Jackal
2RL Cindy
SAnis/Emi

[strange linden]

oh this is rough, I feel like I can lose with a bad RNG here but I can't switch Trina's place anywhere

[waxen pilot]

Could i get some assistance with building some pvp defense teams for both rookie and special please?

[crystal flicker]

Scarlet Blanc RH XMaiden Jackal
Centi Rapunzel Cindy HelmT Noir
Noah Biscuit SAnis/ScarletBS Emi Noise

Adjust to your CP, give Centi, Noah, Jackal Quantum Cube

[twilit arrow]

How did I lose this match? I won the first time, but lose the second. I am also 3L.

[crystal flicker]

Noah counter Cindy

so it's rng whether Cindy's burst can kill Noah before Noah Shield or not

[whole shell]

ever since they got rid of cindy snapshotting she isn't a reliable counter to noah anymore

[upper zephyr]

does my team beat myamoto? Probably not right

[eager mountain]

cant one shot

[upper zephyr]

i had a feeling noah immune would go up before scarlet, i think i lose the burst gen battle

[strange linden]

You should put Scarlet to P1, you should FB before him but I don't know if you can burst before he can burst with noah

[crystal flicker]

PvP routine with Whale lmao

[upper zephyr]

https://tenor.com/view/let-go-bro-gif-21458204

[eager mountain]

you should with p1 scar, jackel feed into 2rl and their is 3rl

but it shouldnt nuke them anyways

[upper zephyr]

yh it failed, noah blocked it

[eager mountain]

clip?

[upper zephyr]

forgot to record

[eager mountain]

if u scar p1 it should land unless they have really high cs helm

just that it wont kill

[upper zephyr]

maybe indom emilia delays the nuke after immune and win?

[eager mountain]

thats why you should clip it to tell their gen

[upper zephyr]

im pretty sure its their helm

[restive oak]

Can anyone help me make a good team for arena?

[eager mountain]

well ur emi team is also 2rl with feed, just make sure she lives while noah wont block it

[eager mountain]

u dont level anyone thats not your highest 5 level
for now, dont worry much about pvp just auto, focus on campaign
you can build trina for pvp but u wont use her in pve much, wont recommand until a bit later on

[keen vapor]

Trina

[keen vapor]

He will if they gets random Scarlet

He already has! he can PVE with Trina!

Oh, I forgot to keep it neutral pronoun

Perdón, no saber inglés

[eager mountain]

i mean, not really an offense if its usually he

[keen vapor]

Yes but, consistency

[eager mountain]

trina scar ye just that better just focus on getting campaign before spending a single book on pvp

[crystal flicker]

Invest more to Scarlet, Trina, and HelmT

Assume Helm is Treasured:
Scarlet Trina RH Drake Jackal
Blanc Emilia/ScarletBS Rapunzel Centi Noir
Noah Noise Biscuit SAnis HelmT

Rookie:
Noah Noise Biscuit HelmT Noir/Centi

[eager mountain]

i suppose he doesnt even have si unlocked

[keen vapor]

WAIT, I STARTED WITH HE, THEN SWITCHED TO THEY AND JUST NOTICING RIGHT NOW

I thought I started on they only

[eager mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/pop-team-epic-you-pointing-on-you-point-gif-16048788

[keen vapor]

I need open English class @umbral crown give me a free trial

[eager mountain]

we can host one here

there are 26 alphabet letters

abcdefg....zzz

[keen vapor]

Eich

[eager mountain]

e cchi

[keen vapor]

I'm not

[eager mountain]

[keen vapor]

I put Biscuit burst as lobby I can't be

[eager mountain]

all 5 of ur lobbies?

[keen vapor]

I admit, Modernia is there

But her burst is beautiful the whole universe

[eager mountain]

the whole universe is e cchi

[crystal flicker]

with 4 clip rl we can fill the gen in 1 RL ammo

[keen vapor]

Huh?

[jagged sedge]

Trina got ranked SS

[crystal flicker]

Tried this and the gen filled in first shoot

[keen vapor]

Could have been SSS

1 RL is real 😭

[minor sparrow]

Any teams rec to beat these? Have most chars except xanne

[jagged sedge]

Still gotta invest a bunch into her to see where she stands.

[crystal flicker]

Biscuit and Jackal kinda redundant

[keen vapor]

Not when you face high deficit

[crystal flicker]

ok t1 is dead

25% deficit

[keen vapor]

You didn't saw

[keen vapor]

26% actually

[crystal flicker]

still dead

[keen vapor]

Wait no

I'm bad at math

[crystal flicker]

Still
T1 skip
T2 slower Noah
T3 2RL HelmT/Cindy

[waxen pilot]

thank you. and yeah i have all treasures and just got trina and rapun

[minor sparrow]

How much slower for team 2? Also thanks!

[crystal flicker]

Rail is cooking

[tropic summit]

this is actually amazing on so many levels it's almost unbelivable

1st match) bay worked as intended, all good
2nd match)

-turned out it was a slow af team afterall, yet somehow emilia lived enough to get indommed
-emilia nuke failed to land because noah died when the nuke was about to hit @worthy knoll emilia nuke can miss if hitting dead nikke

@swift mango what in the world did you cook

[tropic summit]

sounds good, see how it does in the next 24-48hrs

[worthy knoll]

Erm? Wasn't that always the case

[tropic summit]

i've never seen that, thought it would explode and hit aoe regardless

fascinating detail

[worthy knoll]

Emi ICBM whiffs is always coz of dead nikke

[tropic summit]

image timing it right on purpose

never stop learning from the weirdest matchups

[worthy knoll]

#pvp-arena message

[worthy knoll]

As for this tbh, I don't understand why the need to slow down

You can just Blanc with any unit and win since there is no Biscuit

[tropic summit]

weirdest cook ever but if it works it works

Blood thinking out of the box is something else

[worthy knoll]

Not gonna risk myself like that where just few crits could turn it upside down

[tropic summit]

yeah reasonable

[worthy knoll]

Well it still has RH too I guess

So it should be safe hopefully if Blanc is on RH

[crystal flicker]

Slightly, or just try to match their gen speed (3RL) and Noah should automatically block Cindy's burst
From there, continuous burst like buffed SAnis/Emi will clean the sheet

[worthy knoll]

I would just RRH that thing and killed Noah, easy win

[tropic summit]

3rd whale finally decided to fight 2nd whale and is finally applying pressure

we can finally 2v1

[umbral belfry]

bullying

[crystal flicker]

C2 C3 Whale, C4 strongest F2P

[tropic summit]

you're surrounded

by fat silly whels

burn them all

[eager mountain]

[tropic summit]

relatable anyway

[crystal flicker]

Both C4 just afk atp lmao

[eager mountain]

survivor rail

[tropic summit]

i can't even fight ch1 because he strikes back within 15-30 minutes

[eager mountain]

same

[tropic summit]

this guy is on another level of fragile ego

[crystal flicker]

He must have that PvP notification thingy lol

[wise horizon]

It’s amazing it worked! Had doubt but I guess I was wrong. Thanks to you two! @swift mango

[eager mountain]

wut, like someone made one?

[tropic summit]

i think the bay team is fairly consistent... the emilia team... let's hope you don't have to run her again

[wise horizon]

Well who knows. Wish he would leave me alone…. He figured out my defense now…. Argh! Trying to come up with a new defense at the moment

[vapid lake]

Nth u can do besides hope he quits the game or gets tired of punching up and getting punched back down

Defense is useless against ppl who know what they are doing

[limber tide]

Can someone screenshot their arena teams so I can totally not copy them for my spec arena?

[tropic summit]

considering i'm actively able to still bully a whel on 55 levels ahead, can confirm

the lad is growing more white hair every season

although he's almost on 421 cp boost, then i'll need to stop

[crystal flicker]

It's only that or he 24hours online

It's not that hard to make it anyway

[vapid lake]

Next event he'll buy 20 more levels

[wise horizon]

Who’s a good alternative to centi?

[tropic summit]

trina, rumani, anis, jackal

[crystal flicker]

^

Noah, Emi, etc

[tropic summit]

teams look pretty good already, although you're not running an indom which is a bit of a waste

maybe translate your scarlet team into an indom scarlet

2RL glass cannon is a bit on the weak side on def

[wise horizon]

Thanks. Think I will run with this new SP arena defense and see how it holds.

[tropic summit]

hmmmmmmmm,

-helmT is a bit wasted on scarlet team, as you can run jackal + normal clip RL to punish enough,
-bay she's unfortuantely weak to any multi hitter nuker (emi and cindy in particular), on def that's abusable
-cindy 3RL is fairly weak, considering 2RL is still pretty weak after nerf, 3RL is essentially nearly useless

should probably re-evaluate them, could consider 1 cp pad and 2 meta teams instead if you running out of ideas

then again you're already punished a lot on def for not having noah

if you really wanna run bay, ensure she's p3 or p4, that way cover can't be destroyed before she gets to burst

[umbral crown]

Start with the Ñ

[keen vapor]

I shouldn't have rolled higher charge speed

Wait no, the problem was noise taunt

[keen vapor]

Before and after @swift mango

[umbral crown]

which level now

[keen vapor]

381

[umbral crown]

cp?

[keen vapor]

1.8b

[umbral crown]

still low but acepptable

[keen vapor]

[umbral crown]

341 i will be 1.7

im 340 with 1.640

so now you can push camp and pvp

show me your way to C3-C5

[glad meteor]

Look at when noise triggers. Opponent is like 4RL

Emi cover deadge too fast

Even after rapu third hit. Team didn’t burst

[humble bison]

Was messing around with some teams and was wondering if:

Moran/Biscuit/SAnis/Drake/Centi team still work with DrakeT? Since Drake is giving ammo

[keen vapor]

How in the heck

That's impossible

[glad meteor]

Sync diff

RLs hit cover too hard

[keen vapor]

My Rapu has charge speed as well

[glad meteor]

Enemy rapu

[keen vapor]

A

[keen vapor]

It won't, ammo bricks Summer Anis

[dire root]

Man I feel so weak at PvP on this account, I can't even beat this team, combat power checked rip.

[humble bison]

Bleh figured but saw the team popping up here and there and was wondering if the damage increase from DrakeT was worth but oh well

[keen vapor]

It can work if Drake only has her doll maxed, so no real treasure

[keen vapor]

Well, those units won't be high invest either

[dire root]

My burst beats theirs by miles, red hood shoots cindy for a while with her burst 3 Cindy is a tank then when Cindy is about to die red hood switched targets to alice so that sucks.

cindy burst goes off I die.

Is is kind of impressive how Cindy tanked almost a entire red hood burst III without burst activation on their side.

Must be tricked out with almost a full set of overloaded gear.

Oh the 2 limit breaks also probably did it

Who rolls 3 Cindy's before breaking wall?

this guy does.

[keen vapor]

What a decoy does .....

Maybe Decoy doesn't deals with elemental disadvantage?

[dire root]

I can't tell if this guy had a terrible wishlist or is super pilgrim lucky. He rolled 3 cindy's yet hasn't broken wall yet.

[keen vapor]

[dire root]

Only rolled 58 Nikke's, doesn't look like he whaled. So he has insane pilgrim luck.

[bleak shale]

Maybe he was around for Ani and spent everything on banner

[dire root]

This account was made near the end of valentine event, so he wouldn't be a part of my bracket right?

[bleak shale]

what luck then

[dire root]

he also doesn't have a lot of nikkes for the account being that old, unless he did the ani event, went inactive for the rest of the time and then got shuffled into my bracket from a dead bracket?

[bleak shale]

Do you get shuffled to the back if ur inactive? I thought you just reappear in ur old one

It really depends how many people made accs between Ani and valentines, I've seen 1-2 months apart at most I think

[dire root]

I don't really know how shuffle works. I assume active players are moved out of dead pvp brackets when there are too few players.

don't know how it exactly works thoough.

[dire root]

May be over thinking, he wish listed Cindy and then got really lucky and rolled 3 copies?

[umbral crown]

Looka whos bullying people with this cp

[keen vapor]

[umbral crown]

He has 1 free left... wouod he gem?

@polar echo go beat the whale

If i can do it, you also can

[keen vapor]

Good animations

[umbral crown]

Now SP is funny again

Its nice to have a rival

[keen vapor]

You'll scare him if you gem

[umbral crown]

Im already gemming since 2 days ago

[keen vapor]

Here you have

[keen vapor]

If you gem too much*

[umbral crown]

Im like 1800 down but its worth

[keen vapor]

[umbral crown]

Go fight abathur or the chinit

[keen vapor]

Yes, that's the plan

[umbral crown]

Show me his teams, maybe there is something interesting

[keen vapor]

Check my vid

His second team is very weird

Hard teams

I need more padding

[nocturne arrow]

i just kick him, probably he will retake after a few hours

[umbral crown]

es que... que hace crown ahi and emi P1

[umbral crown]

team 1 4 RL noah and team 2...

sometyhing like Noah-Moran-Biscuit-S.Anis-Rapunzel

[keen vapor]

She's supposed to be delaying my team to hit after Noah/being 3rd buffer

Si no sabes no digas

[keen vapor]

Guessed it

[keen vapor]

But that's team 1

[umbral crown]

what about...

Blanc-HelmT-Red Hood-Emilia-Jackal

your helm phase 3?

against scar jack

[keen vapor]

Yes

[umbral crown]

then go for it

thats 2 RL double buffed

[keen vapor]

But she not strong enough for 40 level diff

She has not enough attack lines

[umbral crown]

my helm killed a RH with 73 level gap

what you mean

[keen vapor]

But you're stacked

[umbral crown]

my helm has no atk lines

and i do not have RH

[keen vapor]

My Helm burst is 8

[umbral crown]

thats enough for it

[quick lake]

My helm 10/10/10

[umbral crown]

stop crying and go fight

[umbral crown]

same

[keen vapor]

[umbral crown]

you havving the units and scared to fight

also the gems

you could have had C7 Cindy but miedo al exito

[keen vapor]

Those gems are for my collab

[umbral crown]

[raven plover]

you mlb all eva collab?

[umbral crown]

do not think so

he did not even mlb emilia

[keen vapor]

It won't work, it enters deficit

[quick lake]

waiting for his non-existent collab

[umbral crown]

investment issues then

[keen vapor]

I only got Mari with one limit break

[umbral crown]

imagine

[timid blaze]

Can I have some help with both setups for pvp

[raven plover]

[keen vapor]

What :pepeh:

[umbral crown]

whats the cp of the moran team and the RH helen team?

[long chasm]

Ah shiet i lose again

Blanc die before ult

@shell hazel

[quick lake]

Pull for Trina and she’ll solve ur worries

[umbral belfry]

[glad meteor]

Maybe noah bisc rh team could work

[umbral crown]

si

[glad meteor]

@quick lake what do you think about this vs that

[quick lake]

I think god comp loses, but idk as well

[glad meteor]

I saw the scalter lose earlier. I’m hoping this has less feed and more damage

[quick lake]

Could possibly win… or lose

[glad meteor]

RH kills Noah first then targets scar. If I’m not mistaken

Lap+ xmaid stay on noise

[coarse lake]

why not just use 2rl emi nuke

very easy

[raven plover]

https://tenor.com/view/aikatsu-friends-aine-sus-among-us-aikatsu-gif-24430684

[autumn owl]

Guys u mind sharing me some team for special arena

I feel mine aren't good enough to increase my ranking

[quick lake]

Can reference these
#pvp-arena message

[autumn owl]

Is this channel?

[quick lake]

Yes

This exact chat

[autumn owl]

That's why I asked for?

But I gonna search in another site

[quick lake]

u asked for team ideas, I gave u team ideas

[autumn owl]

Oh, srry I didn't pay attention, I gonna search

[quick lake]

Can click this link, and u’ll see like 30 teams

[autumn owl]

Yes I did, I want to change my teams cuz I feel I'm stuck since long time, and now there are another player who sent me to the bottom

I think I have enough nikkes to build some good teams and keep my slot in the ranking

[rich quail]

Doesn’t matter what the accusation is about

@keen vapor is ALWAYS sus

[keen vapor]

[rich quail]

He is that Among Us character

https://tenor.com/view/among-us-sus-yhk-among-twerk-among-us-twerk-gif-23335803

[swift mango]

My whale copied my def.

Little did he know....

[umbral belfry]

'if he can do it, i can too'

[quick lake]

Beat the whale! 🐋

[jagged sedge]

Wow trina is now #2 burst gen

[knotty beacon]

How this guy can attack me

Last online 7h ago but attacked 2h ago

[crystal flicker]

I guess the game only log "Last login" and not "Last online/logout"

[quick lake]

Dude has nikke open 24/7

[knotty beacon]

Yea guess he just let game open

[swift mango]

nikke-deck.web.app

Maybe my bracket would be more competitive if I put this link on my profile comment....

This is very unfair advantage for those who don't use social media and only read nikke.gg or Prydwen guide. They don't include this kind of calculator on their website

I used to need to guess the burst speed for months.

[wicked horizon]

He accepted his fate.

[swift mango]

Now hit c7.

[wicked horizon]

2026 goals

Oh, you mean like, once?

Yeah, I cropped that part out where I fell from C7.

[wicked horizon]

Out of curiosity, is there any benefit to the site compared to the sheet?

[quick lake]

Nope. Same

[wicked horizon]

'kay
Won't need to change my habits then.

[quick lake]

U can custom ur sheets if u want too

Easier for mobile, that's about it

[swift mango]

The link is 19 letters. Short enough to be put in the 20 letters restricted comment.

It more convenient you want to share your cook. As they have download link for the image.

[wicked horizon]

M-mm

[swift mango]

And you could put more cube on the Nikke than just quantum

[wicked horizon]

Oh yeah, they had like, charge speed.

The sheet doesn't do charge speed breakpoints, I think.

[swift mango]

And bullet count too. New feature. Which the speardsheet had over the website before.

[tropic summit]

naga centi cind helmT (s1 can be lvl 4) liter
sbs blanc rouge noir jackal
noah biscuit rh la+ drake (consider replacing with auto team if CP too low atm)

cubes

quantum on centi, jackal
vigor on blanc, biscuit
temperance on noah
any other nikke run highest lvl cube

notes:
consider raising your CP on your utilities, as they're especially lower compared to the rest:

biscuit, noah, trina, rapunzel, noise, centi

build/wishlist: rumani, rosanna, finish helmT and laplaceT if not already

[swift mango]

It's neater to look at and only 200kb much lighter than a screenshot and cut.

[tropic summit]

indom scar on T1, 2RL stall team on T2

(CP allowing)

oh T2 can be on deficit, you can probably handle 16-20%

T1 needs scar to live so avoid deficit there

[swift mango]

I don't think it could be hard without Noah or Blanc.... Maybe just CP press you.

[swift mango]

Ah I saw what you mean by 2rl Stall ... 2 LapT though.

You also put LapT p2 for more feed to reach 2rl I see...

Idk if Echo Scarlet has Ele line to kill Emi though... And their Noah team used Rapu to heal back, not the useless XMaiden... But maybe XMaiden made the team in your video 2.5 hmm

[swift mango]

You mean the 2nd team in the video ... This is too much CS biting you back.... His team was barely 3rl but your team was faster than 2.5rl... Your RH has too much CS here.... You started bursting at the 3rd shit of RH way before Emi and Jackal shoots their 3rd shoots.....

So resulted in their Noah catching your Emi....

[lusty gull]

[near plank]

im cp gapped i should still win right?

[crystal flicker]

I don't know if Scarlet will survive till burst

But most of the time mine survived at 15 or 16 deficit

[swift mango]

@keen vapor How much CS your RH and Emi have? For science sake.

[quick lake]

Probably better to do Biscuit Invuln for the CP deficit team. Safer

Otherwise maybe Scar Trina RH flex Jackal maybe

[near plank]

i have trina but didnt ol her yet cause no resources

gap gets even bigger

[quick lake]

Yeah, gap too big

[swift mango]

Any units with higher CP than Emi you have?

That could make your team 1218k?

[near plank]

sbs

[swift mango]

Does Drunk scarlet still linked? If she does then you are good to go.

[near plank]

my sbs is too strong i think

oh wait 100% cuase my rh wont get it

[quick lake]

Can try this:

[near plank]

jackal links to 2

[swift mango]

Then you are good to go.

[near plank]

for their 2 teams?

i think ill go with this

[quick lake]

no deficit on t3, nice

should work

[swift mango]

I'm kinda worry about ASS getting killed by Counter though.... So record it for science...

Could have Cindy on ASS position though.

[near plank]

is cindy better here?

[swift mango]

How many CS you have on HelmT?

[near plank]

4 lines

[swift mango]

4%?

[quick lake]

yeah should be good

[swift mango]

You should be fine.

[near plank]

i changed my goal from 4 atk 4 ele to 4 ele 4 cs

[quick lake]

~17% cs on Helm is great for pvp

[near plank]

do i still need more cs?

or 16.75 enough?

[quick lake]

It's enough

[near plank]

gonna fight it now yolo

[swift mango]

Well, you could add Adjustant to HelmT if you want. In case their Emi has 38% CS.

[quick lake]

HelmT great everywhere

[near plank]

BRUH

[junior briar]

[near plank]

WHEN I WAS GONAN HIT HIM hemoved up

[junior briar]

[near plank]

now i need to pm this guy cause he is part of our alliance

[lost nebula]

nice union

[near plank]

i have atriple alliance and we monopolize 1-3

at least for this cycle

my last pvp shuffle was free

[quick lake]

That's nice

[crystal flicker]

that c4 is a very gamer

[near plank]

this is 3 rl right

[swift mango]

Doubt

[quick lake]

yes 3rl just nice

[quick lake]

i also doubted

[near plank]

this guy is not replying and pocchi already hit people 3x. so im just gonna hit this guy for now

[quick lake]

Scar-Jack team too slow

[near plank]

im pretty sure emila double hits cindy from my exp and im 2 rl

[quick lake]

Hmm that is true as well

[near plank]

well for science

[quick lake]

should work ig

[vapid lake]

[near plank]

time for this

to be safe actually ill test in campaign if scarlet gets jackal link lol

[eager mountain]

u can test in union practice range

[near plank]

https://streamable.com/juuv7w
file size to big so posted on streamable

[eager mountain]

Poor doro

She might revenge u in some way

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/946720097031045161/1246967502919958528/GIF_20240602_225244_708.gif

[near plank]

doro is my beloved

https://tenor.com/view/doro-dorothy-nikke-gif-4582005177308983234

[quick lake]

Easy win

[near plank]

https://tenor.com/view/doro-dorothy-run-gif-7730057105979674425

[muted stag]

This is a win right? @quick lake

Pretty sure both teams burst gens are faster

I can use Trina too if needed

[quick lake]

yeah should win if u burst faster

[muted stag]

Should I change centi to Trina

I’m just worried that Trina might die since cp low

[quick lake]

Yeah. that would be much better

Scar Emilia Trina RH Jackal then

[muted stag]

What’s the diff

Between 2P and 3P

[muted stag]

Alr won thx

[drifting jasper]

Made a few updates to my roster, so looking for some thoughts/advice on optimal SP defence teams if anyone gets a spare minute to cook. Should have most of the typical PvP units here. Ty!

[tropic summit]

a well built rosanna

[drifting jasper]

yeah. I got pretty lucky with the OL lines on her 😄

[tropic summit]

what are nero and moran skills and dolls? 🤔

as you could be running a stall team since they seem decently invested

[drifting jasper]

They're okay - not the best but SR5 I think doll wise. Probably my least built of the PvP units. They probably only look well built because my PvE units are woefully unbuilt hehe 😉

[tropic summit]

oh oke

then let's go for a more classic approach

[tropic summit]

taking a look

[drifting jasper]

Can always throw out the stall version too if you like and I'll just invest them more going forward 😉

[quick lake]

Ur pvp units look more invested than pve

[tropic summit]

probably last question, how much is scarlet atk% and emi atk%? need to know if emi would steal her link

[raven plover]

51% atk

[drifting jasper]

They are. Kinda put a hard focus on PvP since day 1. Probably not recommended but ah well 🙂

[quick lake]

One of us

[drifting jasper]

Scarlet is higher than Emi, I know that for sure. I can get you exacts tho...one mo...

[tropic summit]

quantum lvl 7 or lvl 3?

[tropic summit]

indeed, attacker deleter

[drifting jasper]

Scar 43.02% +atk, Emi 33.81% +atk. Quantum 9s. Also Noah, Noise both 17%+ CS, but with Noah slightly faster.

[quick lake]

See u in CA

[tropic summit]

holy f

this guy is stacked as hell

[quick lake]

Quite sure u a pvp master as well

[drifting jasper]

Doesn't stop all these other damn teams beating my defence though. Up against about 8 players all working together as well on their own chat channel, so it's rough 😦

[tropic summit]

wew coalition

[drifting jasper]

yup

[tropic summit]

i might've something

thinking of this for now

[quick lake]

Rail sensei’s cook

[tropic summit]

but i wanna use your noise 17% cs

noah being 17% might also enable some other interesting 2.5RL

[quick lake]

I found out that if Rosanna is Jackal linked, she can be in P1/2 without losing her conceal status

ie full nuke dmg

[tropic summit]

51% atk wasn't enough, now she can kill the gods i see

[drifting jasper]

Looks good, thanks Rail! I shall give this a go 🙂

[tropic summit]

hmm still thinking tho, let's see if i get a second idea

that's still a good draft imo

[drifting jasper]

Sure, I'm just sat here doing some RL work so I'll be here 😄

[tropic summit]

T1 and T2 will force the hand decently hard, while T3 is annoying unless they 2RL it

[drifting jasper]

I always figured if Rosanna was linked the damage would always bring her out of it. How come P1/P2 prevents that? 🤔

[quick lake]

Even if she’s linked and receives shared dmg, she still has a conceal

I only found out today, that even in p1/2 her conceal still works

[tropic summit]

probably because shared dmg doesn't count as being "hit" by something

[drifting jasper]

Weird! I figured especially in P1/P2 any AOE would ping her out of it, but I didn't realise Jackal link shared dmg didn't bring her out of it either. Learning woo! 🙂

[quick lake]

yeah, weird interaction

[drifting jasper]

Might do a bit more investment later on Trina, Moran and Rumani. Anything special I should be going for with OL lines outside of the usual CS, Elem Dmg and Atk? (obviously not CS on Moran ofc hehe)

[tropic summit]

another alternative in case that def fails

try both for 24h-48h and see if any of the two works

the first def is better CP wise, this one has less SG feed

[quick lake]

I found a good one!!

Yeah, looks good

[tropic summit]

yeah la+ in stall team can be replaced by any clip burst gen tbh, vids were taken with 2 different opponents, @keen vapor is capable enough to understand that on his own

[drifting jasper]

Brill , thanks both! I'll note them both down in my handy dandy spreadsheet so I can rotate between them, see how they do

[tropic summit]

oh that looks even better

[tropic summit]

Rheax one is also very good, add it to the pool

[tropic summit]

only need a bit of atk%, emi dies to any scarlet single buff fairly easily

the whole point is forcing RH B3, so you can just get it stuck on p1 indommed

[tropic summit]

22-44 mins, gems galore

[hexed cypress]

can someone help me build 3 teams for defend pls

[tropic summit]

scarlet needs to be built first though, can you get her to 10/4/7 or 10/7/10? doll SR5 minimun, SR15 ideally

[hexed cypress]

Oke

[hexed cypress]

I have the resources avaiable

[tropic summit]

taking a look then

[timid blaze]

Thank you very much, I appreciate it

[tropic summit]

scarlet blanc rh xmaiden jackal
naga centi cind noir noise
noah alice dkw biscuit mana

cubes (if available)

quantum on centi, jackal, anis
vigor on blanc, noise, biscuit, mana
temperance on noah
any other nikke run highest lvl cube

notes: raise CP on utilities when possible (biscuit, noise, centi, jackal)
wishlist/get/build: rumani, trina, helm treasure, can consider laplace+ and rosanna on longer term

[hexed cypress]

Appreciate the effort bro!

[strong hull]

@tropic summit rail chan how to counter Noah Biscuit Cinderella Hemt Jackal team actually

I need a different team counter beside helmt sniping

[tropic summit]

if sp arena skip, if rookie you gonna need something very tailored to it

[strong hull]

[tropic summit]

as combining jackal,biscuit, noah and helmT in same team is a ton of wasted resources if skipped

[strong hull]

If

No jackal

Basically god team 3RL

Or 2

[tropic summit]

hmm emi 3RL on double or triple buff probably wipes

[strong hull]

How was the team belike.

[tropic summit]

is your opponent this?

[strong hull]

Or basic 3.5 with Rapunzel

[tropic summit]

emi on 3RL (triple buff)

[shell atlas]

Oh yeah, today I got both Jackal and Rumani

I know Jackal's good but what does Rumani do?

[tropic summit]

emi on 2RL (triple buff), needs to be linked with jackal (helmT or RH not linked)

[tropic summit]

battery, taunt during burst

[strong hull]

Alr thank for the recommend

[tropic summit]

care on using 2RL emi as 3RL noah will catch it

[strong hull]

Ill be back with milk soon

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[spare nimbus]

Can i win 2 and 3?

[small lotus]

should i replace rouge for jackel?

[pale knoll]

Should be fine

As long as they as t3 is same rl

[small lotus]

anyone?

[signal hull]

In pvp? Ofc.

[keen vapor]

RH has no charge speed

Is noise

[swift mango]

[keen vapor]

Enemy noise is the problem

[keen vapor]

Check my Crown

There you have your charge speed

[swift mango]

They were 1 RL slower than you. Not sure how or why.

My bad for assuming it's red hood when it's not

[hexed cypress]

There was no anis in the team, are you refering to anyone else?

[swift mango]

I see Noise taunt your Emi 😂

[keen vapor]

I'M AIMING AT P4 WITH EMILIA, THAT'S WHY

[swift mango]

[keen vapor]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/946720097031045161/1297132224541364246/kisama.mp4?ex=675763c5&is=67561245&hm=75448ce1e766fdbdf153671138ba7ff0ba79d5642bbf4f34dd6c067de52a2a93&

[small lotus]

who do i go here asuka or rouge (rouge has little bit more cp)

[keen vapor]

Pressing auto is the answer

[swift mango]

You still bursted at Emi 3rd hit.... So how many CS% your Emi got?

[keen vapor]

Why Mast is not leveled up

She can go higher

[keen vapor]

Fine, 8%

So, Emi21

[swift mango]

Really? I guess p1 to enemy 4, the bullet fly faster then...

[keen vapor]

Plus skill 1

[keen vapor]

That's also right....

Travel distance is a thing

His stall is anti Emi

[swift mango]

Your Emi nuke also fly to target faster

[keen vapor]

[swift mango]

Could do

Blanc+Emi+RH+Biscuit+Crown.

This will bring your Emi to 3.3rl.

[keen vapor]

But I need my Noah alive on the first team

[swift mango]

Use Moran P1 and Noah p2-5 then.

[keen vapor]

Probably no

[swift mango]

If you could make it to 2.3rl somehow

And their team is exactly 2rl...

[keen vapor]

See my point ?
Better to start at 2 RL

[swift mango]

Also, Can't you beat them with 2.5RL Scarlet instead?

Rather than using Emi?

[keen vapor]

When I try that I can't

Well, I rely on Jackal to go higher speed but still

[swift mango]

Scarlet+Emi(both linked)+Blanc+RH/Liter+Jackal.

You already know Nosie taunt Emi

[keen vapor]

That's the problem

I can't get both linked

Getting Emi to 4 attack lines is not easy task

[swift mango]

Liter

[keen vapor]

.... BUT THE DEFICIT

Oh yes, this does the job

What I was doing at first team?

[swift mango]

You don't have your liter maxed

[keen vapor]

3 RL Cindy, I can just put another battery

[keen vapor]

I have

Yet, there's a high difference between her and RH

[swift mango]

Guess you don't buy dupe for liter

And not sr15 her

Understandable I don't even build liter but DKW instead

My DKW is 133k and my RH is 137k though

[keen vapor]

Well, I could also try without Emi linked, just putting tempering cube or something

Who cares if either gets indom

Great, Rail cooking didn't lasted long

[swift mango]

One def when you are lv bricked is still pretty good.

[keen vapor]

It could also mean they know PVP

Whales who know PVP are my nightmare

[tropic summit]

or CP padding, that's the main concern

then they can just brute force

[tropic summit]

probably a leftover, since i managed to fit 3RL without anis you can safely ignore her

[keen vapor]

His defense looks very weird

Wait, that's 2 RL Emi

So standard Noah stall beats it

[tropic summit]

and it's not even indom

3RL noah + s.anis does it

but that's still 3RL emi tho

unless he's running 21%CS then it's 2.5RL

[keen vapor]

Bay team also seems to be fast

[tropic summit]

if you know for sure she's 2.5RL due CS% you can run 3.5RL

that bay team is 2RL specifically targetting scar-jack

you can run any DPS 2RL indom against that

2RL indom SBS/RH/s.anis should do, else just indom emi

[pale knoll]

Tf, your enemy is using almost the same teams as mine

[tropic summit]

it's your alt account admit it

[pale knoll]

[keen vapor]

KISAMAAAAAAAAAAA

[pale knoll]

https://tenor.com/view/peepo-leave-pepe-the-frog-walk-out-bye-gif-17020862

[keen vapor]

I've realized that his team is something like 2.6 RL

[wicked horizon]

So, it's been a few days.
What's the verdict on taking Jackal away from Scarlet's teams?

[keen vapor]

@coarse lake Does Laplace without CS get to damage ScarTrina on her second shot?

[drifting sandal]

do you guys think my current lineup looks good? does it need any improvement? if so, please give me some advice. this lineup was suggested to me by Bankai and Echo at the end of last year, it's been working pretty well but recently it's been showing signs of slowing down, getting easily defeated by lineups with lower cp

[swift mango]

It make Scarlet ded easier. Would need Noise/Rapu/Moran to survive until burst.

[quick lake]

should be imo. 1RL is 1.23s

[keen vapor]

[keen vapor]

You know, 30 FPS, instant shot...

[quick lake]

My basic math says so

[swift mango]

You actually don't need Scarlet on P1 to receive Trina buff.

[quick lake]

1.23s is Pvp time

[keen vapor]

tashkani

[quick lake]

Travel time another .1?

[wicked horizon]

I mean, I can use any of those.
They're mostly free (Noise might be in my Cindy team, but that's the team I'm least satisfied with anyways).
But is that a better option though...

[keen vapor]

Bankai

[wicked horizon]

I can't put Moran to tank on P1, which would be ideal.
And I lose the Scarlet retaliation when someone hits Jackal.

But I could put Jackal on Cindy team to keep that alive.

[swift mango]

If you put Moran p1 in same team as scarlet, scarlet won't get the 85% dmg buff

[drifting sandal]

Ah, by you the most

[wicked horizon]

Yeah, that's what I said. I can't put Moran to tank on P1.

[keen vapor]

I don't see many batteries left Laplace treasure?

[swift mango]

But you could put Noise. And another p1 somewhere else in case she ded

[wicked horizon]

Like, just replacing Blanc with Trina leaves me with this.
Too much burst gen in T1.

[drifting sandal]

Unfortunately... Didn't build her much

[swift mango]

If you used Jackal then you should be fine

[wicked horizon]

What do you mean if I used Jackal?

[keen vapor]

Well, without invested burst batteries, we can't do much about first team

Helm specially

[wicked horizon]

Or like, I did use Jackal, how am I fine?

[swift mango]

If you used Rapu you should also be fine, even if scarlet p1

[wicked horizon]

There's too much burst gen on T1.

[keen vapor]

How you can have too much

[wicked horizon]

I mean, it's wasted. I could use stronger units instead or get that burst gen into other teams.

Cindy team looks a bit frail at the moment, for example.

[drifting sandal]

oh, if that's the case then i should start investing in helm and laplace, welp let's go quiet again, when i'm ready i'll come back up

[umbral crown]

Not gem issues

[keen vapor]

@drifting sandal Helm treasure also good for campaign

[keen vapor]

[umbral crown]

Thsts how you learn to fight deficit

[drifting sandal]

True

[wise horizon]

@swift mango @tropic summit looks ok?

[keen vapor]

@swift mango scar Emi unlinked worked

Being anti Emi worked against him

[keen vapor]

Uuuuuuhhh

[keen vapor]

Not only enemy is 3.5 by default, but Cindy P2 will speed you up to get your Emi nuke even more blocked

So, go scar jack

Oh right, Cindy works really weird with Emilia

Nvm, higher burst gen from biscuit shouldn't cause a problem.... But can your Emilia survive 4 enemy splash shots?@wise horizon

How invested is her doll?

[swift mango]

It does look okay.

[keen vapor]

I'm worried about this

Mine always dies

Oh, opponent is lower level

[tropic summit]

odds of her dying are increased when used by people who don't open their boxes

[keen vapor]

That almost never happens

[keen vapor]

[tropic summit]

🏃‍♀️ ☁️

[keen vapor]

It'll work, you don't have to deal with the same problems as I do

[tropic summit]

dude is gonna jump from a window anytime soon

[keen vapor]

I'm going to win on CA
I'm going to win on CA

[tropic summit]

as i said yesterday, I wouldn't run that emi team anytime again because it looked so RNGy only Blood would be able to run that with confidence, also this time enemy turned it into 3.5RL cindy nuke, good luck surviving that if it goes like yesterday

i'd rather just match their speed and run same speed indom emi on double buff (drake can be any clip SG burst gen tier)

could also switch attention from T2 to T1 and mess up their indom with 2 snipers, dropping helmT low will give priority to indom to helm while you kill emi

[coarse lake]

No idea

[keen vapor]

oh, Cindy nuke, ofc

@quick lake still unconfirmed

[swift mango]

If you are worrying about this you could try Rapu/Mana instead of Crown.

@wise horizon great

Idk

[swift mango]

He doesn't have Biscuit to save Noah from being killed though.

[keen vapor]

We forgot about Cindy nuke

[tropic summit]

on 3.5RL you reach indom emi on double buff, any slower and you reach graveyard by being lasored by cindy

[keen vapor]

“Ok, I defeated Abathur, surely everything goes as I expect for the next week"
Vlad 2 minutes later:

Natsu should go Scar jack instead of Emi nuke

As I thought initially for different reasons

I don't think I'll be able to get top 6 gems this season if Abathur fights hard

[keen vapor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1026322546934698004.gif?size=48&animated=true&name=whyyysnapped

[swift mango]

If you got scared by rail and don't want to use 3.3-3.5rl Emi. You could go with 2RL

Scar+Trin+RH+Centi+Jack the Emi team.

And add Rumani in the spot of Jackal in this image and hit Scarlet.

[keen vapor]

I wasted 1 token for nothing in a way I never expected

[tropic summit]

wut? i suggested 3.5RL tho

it's just natural and without relying on RNG RH hitting cover

[swift mango]

Their Cindy is P2, your team would be 3rl the slowest.

[tropic summit]

3RL emi hits through 3.5RL noah though

[swift mango]

Not if it triggered by fast bullet from P5 SG.

[tropic summit]

🤨

[swift mango]

Like Echo just experienced

[tropic summit]

i'll leave it to the emi expert

as i don't own emi maybe you're right

[swift mango]

I mean echo just experienced his 2.5rl lightning fast Emi shotting p4 blocked by 3rl Noah lol

[keen vapor]

[swift mango]

So I'm not very sure about it.

[coarse lake]

The timings are tight

Prob can depend on emi cs even

[keen vapor]

Noah stall is something like 3.2 RL right Eon?

[coarse lake]

I have no issues hitting 3rl noah at 2.5rl

What's the matchup and what's the emi invest

[keen vapor]

Natsu does not answer his investment

[tropic summit]

what a coincidence, something else from @keen vapor that is broken

[onyx scaffold]

If CA has similar ranking system like SR, I will aim for 3% then sleep

[tropic summit]

let's start with having CA release at all...

[keen vapor]

Maybe we should stalk him on blabla

[onyx scaffold]

Next week

[tropic summit]

sauce?

[onyx scaffold]

Dev notr

[tropic summit]

[keen vapor]

They said March so it must be true

[onyx scaffold]

^

Gotta believe, sir

[tropic summit]

right, got my popcorn stack prepared 🍿

[upper grove]

Rocks, skill mats or doll mats surely in CA

[onyx scaffold]

Quick Battle doko

[coarse lake]

I wouldn't risk this setup

enemy is 3rl if quantum, you're shy of 3rl even if 21 emi

well.... ig a 21 emi is probably fine

[keen vapor]

Not looking ok at all

PVP is not daijobu