pvp-arena

[tropic summit]

that world is a mess and hell

[crystal flicker]

like, just learn React.js and it already open so many opportunities

[vapid lake]

sounds like this was u https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HluANRwPyNo

[upper grove]

a classic

[pale knoll]

So you ended up taking a course for that?

[shell hazel]

youtube videos in discord have ads if you play them how terrible

[tropic summit]

i quit uni, went to a college-ish kind of thing for 30 days that then became intership that then became temp contract of 3 years that finally ended up being a regular job

[eager mountain]

just that now we ask ai instead of google

[tropic summit]

indeed, coding/programming is for the most part just googling things or listening to an indian

[pale knoll]

[tropic summit]

nowdays added value with chatGPT which kinda just does googling a bit better and easier

[eager mountain]

and replacing ur entry programming jobs

[upper grove]

stackoverflow = programmer's bible

[crystal flicker]

you still need to understand your problem

some mf just copy paste their code and ask AI what's wrong from it lol

[shell hazel]

I'm like Railtracer but not Railtracer

[tropic summit]

plus google could never explain things to you as if it was the president of 'murica speaking

[junior briar]

Any pvper review my Trina review?
#1348983210465300480 message

[shell hazel]

I do a bit of everything lol, some DB stuff, some programming, some server stuff, looking at lots of stuff in excel, powershell etc

[shell hazel]

sounds like mangoman

[tropic summit]

great on attack, weak when on defense (although it forces anti nuke or noah)

[crystal flicker]

Their dedicated (paid) gemini is better coz you can adjust the depth

[junior briar]

Kinda sus on attack too from what i see so far tho

[tropic summit]

it has to do with an orange if anything

[shell hazel]

nono, they are mangoman

[junior briar]

You cant attack any 2 RL that has noah or blanc

[crystal flicker]

I was too lmao

[tropic summit]

it's just ensuring scarlet does what scarlet has to do, nuke hard on 2RL

running her into indom or noah at same speed is just asking for it to die, as it's a glass cannon

[shell hazel]

I'm semi-capable in things but not an expert really 😛

[junior briar]

She can nuke hard on 2 RL while having extra protection on top with noah or blanc

[tropic summit]

yeah on attack she's great as we said

every def team now has to account for an equivalent of the former scar-jack blanc and RH buffed scarlet, but on 2RL and without RH and blanc needed

the doom of defense, yet another tool for attack

[junior briar]

[whole shell]

[tropic summit]

if anything i welcome it, anything that makes my life easier against whales is great

[junior briar]

True

[whole shell]

I fken need helm treasure so badly

[swift mango]

Blanc won't allow her to nuke hard in 2rl unless jackal feed or crit.

[whole shell]

If I'm not mistaken I'll be the only other person with thelm in my bracket besides a c1 whale

[junior briar]

Rh blanc?

[crystal flicker]

Scarlet Trina THelm Centi Jackal

[swift mango]

Rh Blanc need jackal feed to get to 2rl

[junior briar]

I see

But much safer

Imagine throwing the dice on 2 rl nuke vs 2 rl nuke

[swift mango]

Just put ReiT in old scarlet team and you have 2 nuke team

[junior briar]

ReiT

[tropic summit]

this still valid tho

[junior briar]

Im not saying she's bad

[crystal flicker]

If Scarlet has a million fans, then I am one of them.
If Scarlet has only one fan, that one is ME.
If the whole world is against Scarlet, then I am against the world.

[junior briar]

This is just personal circumstance

[crystal flicker]

I dislike Rei hairstyle

[junior briar]

[pale knoll]

The long haired rei is better ngl, the lobby one

[crystal flicker]

ye, it's a pity they didn't make her as playable instead

[swift mango]

I guess it's because long rei isn't Rei.T?

[shell hazel]

license people probably didn't want to allow it

don't think she had long hair in the movies?

[tropic summit]

we'll never get good things from collab anyway

trash filler stories

even the angel we fight is in every single collab the same

at least honkai impact gave us a pretty nice bike minigame

[shell hazel]

I didn't care much to follow the collab story but the mini-game was great and the little map was cool

[tropic summit]

don't get content with that Hippo, they're very happy players are comfortable with static non-improvement and no-new assets

SU is sleeping hard on their comfort zone

players aren't even complaining enough

skins and shop are rich of scams it's almost insane how ppl are just accepting it

[swift mango]

Try Arknight Collab, they are rare but with good story. Dungeon Meshi currently going on right now and I got my max potential (dupe) Marcille.

[bleak shale]

Half the time they change things it bites us in the ass

From arena shuffle to union raid hardmode

[shell hazel]

union raid hard mode kind of stupid design

[tropic summit]

because they don't listen to player feedback or to veterans

[shell hazel]

just open it and let us hit the infinite hp bosses once

at any point before it ends

[bleak shale]

Ya so they will just keep doing stuff like that

[shell hazel]

and the best score carries over, the end

[tropic summit]

game could improve so much and so hard... there's a ton truck of potential but no... re-used assets, half assed minigames, same usual routine over and over

but that's because "don't change what works", if players are content, they'll just keep shoving it in our mouth

and since sales are going well, there's no motivation in them trying anything...

[swift mango]

Just need to find a union that could clear boss day one to join. If can't, at least find one that could clear boss day 2, they will improve overtime and clear boss day 1 anyway

[shell hazel]

my union clears normal mode day 1 or 2, we did 1 last time

but the hard mode we can't clear them that well, but it doesn't seem to really matter anyway

[swift mango]

It's fine for you then.

[shell hazel]

because you get like 10k odd chips for day 1 clear and top 2% on hard

but the hard mode doesn't really offer anything else

[swift mango]

If you can clear day 1 you get much better amount of chip than old union raid anyway.

[brittle hill]

Xmaiden must be doing something . I was able to get 2x copies of Trina just in case. Her S2 beefs up scarlet's health but it's overkill rn for me

[shell hazel]

yeah just would be nice to make the raids a bit less about waiting for others to clear a boss, or tripping up over eachother on tries

[swift mango]

Hard mode UR offer you 10k more chip for clearing on day 1.

[shell hazel]

it is roughly that yes, bit more maybe even

just getting into hard on day 1 is basically gg anyway - bit like with co-op

getting the boss to dead level 9 is 98% of the reward

[swift mango]

Get Trina and try for c7 then.

Gimme your 2 copy if you aren't care about her.

[brittle hill]

I have 0 gems now. I'm about to quit . Dunno when

[junior briar]

Got this with a 414 emilia

[tropic summit]

how aren't those rookies able to beat that

[junior briar]

[tropic summit]

it's really concerning when you realize it's a 544 synch bracket

those ppl are way more experienced than me or should be

[junior briar]

Nah

Most ppl arent experienced

[junior briar]

Just use a 3 RL burst noah team right?

[brittle hill]

yeah that emelia/helm is nasty. I was able to doll rumani and Xanne to 10 and have them both at 18 CS. So they're 2RL but soo close to 1RL where I might nuke a Noah comp. (Rumani, Xanne, Cinderella, Emelia, HelmTempering)

[tropic summit]

standard 3RL s.anis eats emi and helmT alive, afterward RH and the rest

but yeah noah on 1RL difference catches emi nuke

[junior briar]

[eager mountain]

just rosa it and biscuit rh

[tropic summit]

indeed, another option although far more expensive

not everyone has rosa built up properly, just like with nero and moran

s.anis is pve friendly, laplace+ can be any clip burst gen tier

[junior briar]

Yeah right now my pvp team is very cheap

[eager mountain]

too many teams can be dealt with 2rl rosa ppl should have rosa built tbh
since too many batteries allowing cheap 2rl rosa

[tropic summit]

but rookie will be rookie anyway

[junior briar]

No pvp exclusive unit needed skill level

[eager mountain]

we have like, what, 1 super battery, and 8 batteries

1 super = 2 batteries so 3+ battery for each team

[junior briar]

And i still beat all opponent up to 20 levels higher

So why bother invest in pvp exclusive unit

[tropic summit]

for reference, 1RL difference noah, what they should be doing

this was 4RL vs 3RL

[junior briar]

Easily

[tropic summit]

but don't change it, if it works it works let them figure it out... veeeeery slowly

[shell hazel]

poor biscuit died twice

[tropic summit]

a sacrifice for the blood gods

[shell hazel]

biscuit - shadows die twice

https://tenor.com/view/sekiro-video-game-moon-fields-gif-17684069

man that game was so good, I wish I could forget it so I could struggle through it all over again

[tropic summit]

2 hours for that final boss

my sanity was fading, slowly

[shell hazel]

some were quicker, some were shorter, but all were a good challenge that tested me 🙂

[tropic summit]

i still remember that monkey-like boss that at some point loses the head then wakes up again and literally fights you without its head

ultra baited because it looked like the fight was over

[junior briar]

....

I was still stuck on that spear guy at the very start

Gonna wait for new pc and beat that guy

[tropic summit]

those games are not for the weak of mind or heart

[shell hazel]

ashina spear guy? was an optional boss

[junior briar]

No

A fkng no name elite one

[shell hazel]

yeah there was a spear boss in front of a little temple thing

was an optional one, it's either that or the one in the memory place?

[junior briar]

I cant pass him

[shell hazel]

kicky guy

[shell hazel]

ah yeah and then later you fight two apes at once 😄

[junior briar]

Ill surely come back and replay

[shell hazel]

yeah 100% worth it

[tropic summit]

3 rocks

[shell hazel]

1 rock today

[dim sapphire]

with trina is srosanna viable again

even with the enemy max dolls

[eager mountain]

wut

[gentle dawn]

Could this works for SP arena defense?

[eager mountain]

Took me an hour to figure out that’s drake

Decent, depending on who you have

[gentle dawn]

Well tbf

That Blanc will die asap xD

[eager mountain]

Get bis there then

Tho emi will still die easily

[loud sonnet]

[gentle dawn]

Mmm Drake in P1?

Let me screen shot my nikkes

[eager mountain]

Better cope for them not breaking 2rl p1 Noah instead of 3rl p1 blanc
Gtg

[agile grove]

Lookin for def help, jp region is cooking me

[tropic summit]

helmT s1 lvl 10 stage 2?
laplace treasured? (looks like top investiment)
rosanna investiment? need skills and OL

[loud sonnet]

If I remember correctly this guy was here

[tropic summit]

well there are some

[pale knoll]

[pale knoll]

I actually found a guy from my spa and rockie bracket in this discord server

[upper grove]

those fcks never hit each other, only ganging up on me

not even hitting the other guy when I was 2nd

[swift mango]

Srosanna has nothing to do with Trina though.

[upper grove]

pissing contest in top 3

[loud sonnet]

Yup he's here

[dim sapphire]

wellll now shes easier to get 2rl, im saying is it much better with trina

[tropic summit]

what you gonna do once you find him

[loud sonnet]

I just wanna ask him why me

[tropic summit]

at least only 3 attempts

[shell hazel]

just ping all Drax

[swift mango]

You mean SSakura? Because you don't really use Srosanna for Arena

[tropic summit]

stopped at the first gem

[loud sonnet]

Its rookie

[tropic summit]

oh then who cares

[shell hazel]

#pvp-arena message

[tropic summit]

probably testing some shiet no?

[shell hazel]

I found drax, who was moaning at jackee 😄

[loud sonnet]

[agile grove]

Yes; stage 3
Yes
7/7/7 (see images)

[shell hazel]

man those are some rough rolls

is that helm rolls or someone else?

[agile grove]

Rosanna

[gentle dawn]

Mentally blocked here

[swift mango]

Spend some 20 rock to reroll this poor Rossana... Both CP and OL lines bad ...

[agile grove]

Don’t have

[eager mountain]

crit rate isnt too bad, but other 2 gear must be rerolled

[tropic summit]

scarlet laplace+ trina centi rumani
noah biscuit helmT rapu xmaiden
emilia21 blanc rh drakeT jackal (ensure emi is on 1st or 2nd highest atk% in this team (OL included), else swap drakeT with xmaiden)

vigor on biscuit, rapu, blanc
temperance on noah
quantum on jackal, emi, drakeT

[loud sonnet]

Rumani. SR anis?

[agile grove]

Yike, my Drake, Trina, Rumani and xmaid aren’t as raised as OG’s like emi and scar

Would it still be good enough?

[tropic summit]

depends on how badly it tanks your CP

could focus on 2 teams and CP pad the third

[gentle dawn]

They're not invested, I don't wanna lose too much CP

[agile grove]

I think that one is more likely to be a winner ngl

[loud sonnet]

If you're malding on pvp you really need to invest on them

[eager mountain]

toss any to fill 2rl gen then
tho this means u wont have good b1 for this team

[gentle dawn]

I mean, I just finished leveling asukaW gears

After duo maids, and Collab is hard to build anything else

[gentle dawn]

Rip me

[swift mango]

How's your wishlist looks like?

[agile grove]

You talkin to me?

[swift mango]

Just asking in general

[agile grove]

Focusing on lb3

[tropic summit]

then again i don't think you've much else of a choice in terms of speed and balance of CP

with the addition of helmT and trina defense has become rather steep in speed requirements

[agile grove]

You think going two fully built comps and then cp pad is better?

[tropic summit]

no i think the teams i suggested earlier are probably better

post how the 3 teams would look like in CP

since i've used a lot of your most invested units

the least invested units we had to fill in for burst gen are these:

we could merge T1 into T2 and T3

but then it still leaves a rather average padded T1

[lunar pawn]

pushing tribe to get enough gems for another multi

[eager mountain]

replace with trina anchor

[lunar pawn]

wdym replace, they're not out yet

[eager mountain]

not gonna pull before anchor trina there

so it will be like that

and likely gonna pull after 2.5 anni pilgrim in

[tropic summit]

pick w/e you feel more comfortable with

you could try both and see whichever gets you better defs

[agile grove]

sorry i was paying my bills rq, i'll do the cp comparison rn

[tropic summit]

bills are important, no bills no electricity, no gacha, no waifu

[eager mountain]

waifu = bills

[agile grove]

more like no money to pay for gacha...

[jovial cave]

He was FIGHTING far that 10th place
...and here he is now...

[eager mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/attack-on-titan-eren-tatakae-eren-gif-24714277

hes indeed tatakaing

[swift mango]

Steal electric from electric line.

[agile grove]

i dont know how to calc for the atk percentages, but this is the cp for all three

842274
909731
923499

the top one has trina and rumani, who I know arent as super invested

next one up has decently mid investments in rapu and xmaid

last one has my "i dont know if its good enough" drake

[agile grove]

"CP Var" comps have:

900881
945082
906630

[tropic summit]

hmm let's go with cp var

T1 tanks a bit too hard

[swift mango]

Your synch lv?

[tropic summit]

better on the second var

[agile grove]

461 fighting 462 and 500's

[agile grove]

problem with first team is that trina doesnt even have any ol at all (ran out of gears to level)

trina herself is 4/4/4 (cause i dont know the skill invests)

[agile grove]

this is what im dealing with, btw

nameko (the doro) is 462 and ALWAYS changes her def whenever she takes back c5

the liter guy (dont know that much moon runes) is 505 and is a decently hard fight, more than nameko but nameko is manageable

and the rapi guy is literally a joke for me, he's 500 sync but he got no invests in gears or anything

[eager mountain]

its always the doro pfp

[agile grove]

shes very persistent, look at the intervals of time

[eager mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/evil-laugh-musanpro-nikke-doro-dorothy-gif-16158099313532557237

[agile grove]

keep in mind, im on the jp region, so they should be asleep right now, but shes ALWAYS checking her phone every hour or couple of hours, just like me so I can take it back

its not even about the gems at this point, its about SENDING A MESSAGE

[swift mango]

More like Trina zero invested

[agile grove]

i just got her this morning on SINGLES

(took 3 singles to get her)

[eager mountain]

its always the doro started burning gems

[swift mango]

[agile grove]

that was literally me 2 days ago, we were fighting literally several times in the same hour back to back

[tropic summit]

i think it's safe to say it's not worth the trouble

you're playing a losing game the moment you've to check that stuff every 2hrs

[agile grove]

its about the message, the money matters not

[tropic summit]

it's not even healthy, let em keep it, it's not worth ur time

[agile grove]

im in it for the blood now

[tropic summit]

hmm alright

[agile grove]

(plus im on sick leave rn so i got nothin but time)

[tropic summit]

can't advise it but you do what you wanna do

[eager mountain]

i tried to f with him gemming me and gem back and we end up burning thousands in an hour. it'd be like that

[tropic summit]

would you do it again?

[agile grove]

i would

[tropic summit]

[eager mountain]

nah, and im back to his arena group
cant win the war against those

[crystal flicker]

average whale behavior

[tropic summit]

yeah it's a loss cause, the sooner you learn that the better

[eager mountain]

i dont even whale anymore i just dont pull for dups usually and also skips some banners

[tropic summit]

there's a saying... "keep talking to an idiot, and ppl will not know anymore who's the sane one"

[pure frost]

hi guys

I have a question.

[tropic summit]

it's best to avoid those kind of lads in my book, not worth the trouble or the gems

[swift mango]

🍿 🍰

[tropic summit]

shoot

[tropic summit]

lmao you eating well today eh

even brought the cake

[agile grove]

so i should go with the cp var comps?

What cubes recommended on trina?

[pure frost]

I got some new nikkes, and I wanted to know who would make a good PVP team? I don't wanna use my campaign nikkes.

[tropic summit]

quantum, although it won't make much difference as long as you're on natural 2RL

[eager mountain]

hope the cake isnt oversweeten and hope the popcorn got taste

else both are easily garbage imo, average popcorns and average cakes in america

[agile grove]

i'll use the def and hopefully get back to you within the hour

(nameko RapiAnger )

lmao rip emote

[tropic summit]

you're way too early to worry about pvp or pve nikke, just invest in campaign 1st and foremost, progress will matter a lot

[eager mountain]

[tropic summit]

well can't say i'll be awake in a hour, it's 12:45AM in EU timezone

[agile grove]

yeah that one

[tropic summit]

but someone is always here to help

[agile grove]

whyyysnapped

[pure frost]

oh ok

I got a good campaign team so no worries

[tropic summit]

yep focus on that

[swift mango]

🪭 🚿 🍉

[tropic summit]

you've already a few pvp core units tho, jackal, rumani, rosanna, nero, blanc, moran

you're going to need better B3s, ensure you've wishlisted cindy and SBS

[pure frost]

oh ok

what about noir or rouge?

blan kinda needs noir

[tropic summit]

they're copium and can be used in part

for pvp blanc doesn't need noir

[pure frost]

but I do know that pvp only bursts once

[tropic summit]

mostly ye

[pure frost]

so makes sense

[tropic summit]

only specific stall teams can afford reaching multiple cycles

[eager mountain]

(2)

[pure frost]

I'll go ahead and set the team up, but I'll work on them later on

[eager mountain]

unless we got some funny full slow stall vs same team lol

[pure frost]

I'll give them gear later on too, but for now I'll have it saved

[agile grove]

oh right, whats the skill levels for trina?

[tropic summit]

start off with jackal, as she'll be a lot useful

rest can come way more slowly

[eager mountain]

4/10/4+

s1 is still good with moran tbh

[pure frost]

what position should they be

[eager mountain]

so technically can 10/10/10 for pvp malder, moran sccar can be same team

and likely the best sccar trina defense thx to having both sustain and team taunt

[agile grove]

oh no

[swift mango]

51010 is enough.

[tropic summit]

you can make this rookie team for now

if SBS is lower max HP than asuka, she can stay p1, if SBS is higher max HP than asuka, put asuka in p1

this all loses meaning tho if jackal is lower HP than both of them

[agile grove]

against my best wishes (i accidentally went on autopilot) trina is now 10/10/10

[eager mountain]

[pure frost]

Well I do have SBS already so I think I'm good

[tropic summit]

yeah that's a great find

[haughty mortar]

Can someone please give me a hand with restructuring my PVP teams?

[eager mountain]

guess you gotta mald pvp from that mistake lol

[agile grove]

thats my secret cap, i always do

[swift mango]

Use vigor 🔫

[tropic summit]

he's synch lvl 140 you dolt

[eager mountain]

but do u have moran invested?

[haughty mortar]

Rookie is this

[agile grove]

757 with base ol

[swift mango]

Unequip Cube 🔫

[tropic summit]

post your box with nikke ordered by strength we can take it from there

[eager mountain]

highly invested moran seems like a legit standard of pvp malder to me, resource spending wise lol

and ofc she need both really high skills and ols

[haughty mortar]

SP is this

[agile grove]

i need more gears to level

(which ai is that one again)

[tropic summit]

yeah we gonna need to fix these

don't let @keen vapor see them

[haughty mortar]

My box

[haughty mortar]

He says while pinging the man!

[tropic summit]

obviously, I love seeing him go kisama

[haughty mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/chime-nikke-goddess-of-victory-smoke-smoking-gif-10328804110751661145

[tropic summit]

what's your quantum lvl btw?

[haughty mortar]

Quantum break! Let me check. But prolly at most 3

Yep 3

Still leveling the prime two

Just unlocked Vigor (lvl 1)

Current skill level investments. I do not have Cindy or Crown. Helm is not treasure yet.

[lunar pawn]

I do tribe and what do I get

[tropic summit]

sbs blanc alice drake jackal
naga mari privaty rh centi
noise tia rrh dolla mana

notes: wishlist/build asap

biscuit, rapunzel, rumani, noah, helm treasure, cinderella, trina

[lunar pawn]

I'm not mileaging trina, wishlist if I can't pull her, I ain't getting baited

[eager mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/evil-laugh-musanpro-nikke-doro-dorothy-gif-16158099313532557237

[tropic summit]

so, this didn't age well already

[lunar pawn]

can't work on something I don't have

[tropic summit]

i guess that's a good argument

[haughty mortar]

Yeah

[eager mountain]

💳

[lunar pawn]

I always welcome sponsors

[haughty mortar]

Not planning on Wishlisting any of the suggested. I am still struggling with campaign. HOWEVER, I will switch around my teams for SP Arena. What about Rookie?

[tropic summit]

if you've good feet or look female enough in cosplay, maybe you could sell

nowdays it seems people are content enough with that

[haughty mortar]

Same, please donate to the "Poor Sorter PVP Arena" Fund

[tropic summit]

for rookie go this

[eager mountain]

Plz donate books and rocks to me so that I can cook moran trina

[gentle dawn]

Idk what I'm doing with my life, Rumani isn't invested xD

[tropic summit]

nero moran helmT even better

[tropic summit]

that T3 is begging to be clapped by most of anything, then again maybe it's just a CP padded team

[eager mountain]

Running 3rl def when everything becomes 2rl

[haughty mortar]

Not rapipi?

[gentle dawn]

[tropic summit]

if you want to die against scarlet sure thing

sliced in tiny small pieces record time

[haughty mortar]

What about Blanc Cube?

[gentle dawn]

Help me guys, I dunno what to use in SP defense, I'm being clapped these days

[tropic summit]

vigor

[tropic summit]

hold on, i can see it

[haughty mortar]

I DROPPED BY 30K CP

[tropic summit]

needs 2 clip RL

[haughty mortar]

RRH vs RH is literally double

[tropic summit]

prefer CP over meta until you've invested more in core pvp units

especially jackal in your case, she needs to have more HP at least than SBS and your backup B3

[eager mountain]

And gets buffed Cindy nuked anyway,

[tropic summit]

you'll be surprised but that team can survive it

damage reduction is no joke

[haughty mortar]

Everyone from Modernia on down are 25K CP or lower. The next highest after her is RH at 27.

[agile grove]

i put the team as the def

if i die, i'll come back with reports

[tropic summit]

there's a problem with that team

[eager mountain]

clip?
Noise buff is bad tho

[haughty mortar]

So what you're suggesting is for now I should continue using my PVE team in Rookie?

[agile grove]

whar

[tropic summit]

it needs SR15, 10/10/10 nero and moran, high temperance cube level

since it's sp arena, ppl can also just skip it

[agile grove]

nero aint as raised as moran, temperance isnt as raised as I'd like it to be

[tropic summit]

yeah bench it for now and stick with the original

[agile grove]

which one is the original

[tropic summit]

one of the most common stall teams is this one

[agile grove]

for SP?

[tropic summit]

if you can afford to yeah

[agile grove]

no can do chief, noah noise biscuit are reserved for cindy, that team STOMPS

[tropic summit]

yup there you go

just choose accordingly to what your opponent is likely to run tho

helmT on 2RL kills jackal linked units

[agile grove]

well, nameko changes her stuff literally every time she loses

[tropic summit]

viceversa it may lose on 2RL emi double or triple buffed

[eager mountain]

Ridiculous of how many teams countered by 2rl rosa

[tropic summit]

well indeed

[eager mountain]

I scare rosa the most when building new def yesterday

[agile grove]

maybe i use on rookie?

[tropic summit]

sure you can try it out

[agile grove]

ok, if i lose, ill come cry

[tropic summit]

defense is made to be broken, unless you're way ahead of CP

because this then happens

[haughty mortar]

@tropic summit Railgun-sama, so is the verdict to scrap the pvp team in rookie and just use PVE?

[tropic summit]

if rookie team is far higher in CP sure can

[haughty mortar]

What about defense?

[tropic summit]

those were defense teams

although you can use them in attack aswell

attack is generally tailored to what you facing

[haughty mortar]

Wait what?

[tropic summit]

you won't run a scarlet 3RL against a noah 3RL for example

[haughty mortar]

So those 4 teams you gave me are defense?

[tropic summit]

as you won't run a SBS against an enemy taunt + biscuit

[tropic summit]

they CAN be attack teams if opponent is not countering you

[haughty mortar]

I know next to nothing about PVP so wouldn't be aware when they'd be countering me ><

[tropic summit]

example to what a scarlet loses to:

example of what a cindy loses to

example of an indom SBS

you'll gather experience the more you learn how to play your cards

although when unsure you can ask here and someone can point you out

it's important to learn RL jargon aswell, as speed determines most matches

you can learn a lot from just reading this if you got time:

https://nikke.gg/arena-mechanics/

[haughty mortar]

I will once I have further established my pve team(s)

[coarse egret]

I'm cooking up some new def teams
What do the PVP experts think?
I don't have treasure laplace nor treasure drake

[haughty mortar]

So all these team suggestions are always defense? And attack is determined by the opposition and you as the player have to keep juggling around your team?

[tropic summit]

T1 doesn't need more than 2 or 3 clip RL (you're running 4, especially jackal is no longer needed if 2RL with trina)
T2 prefer another B3 over SBS, as she's easy to counter on def
T3 move anis away from p2, possibly either p3 or p4, noise being the solo B1 is also a bit alarming, add a backup B1 (like for example rumani in p5)

[tropic summit]

yeah you can run it the casual way

1 team fast scar nuke
1 team fast noah with followup B3

or you can actually tailor your team to increase your odds of winning instead of just throwing random things that may work

[haughty mortar]

So currently what 2 Rookie teams and 3 SP would you suggest for attack?

One can be the defense team you suggested, and the other just my highest CP units

[tropic summit]

the suggestions you said you were not going to follow are the core pvp units you need to tailor teams properly

atm your best cards are the same as your def teams

indom SBS as the video provided earlier can get you through anything that doesn't run p1 defender + biscuit

as that's a direct counter to you

the 4RL RH + privaty team can take care of equal slow teams

you're going to need core pvp units tho to climb higher in ranks

[haughty mortar]

I didn't say I'd not follow. I only said I won't be wishlisting specifically for PVP.

[tropic summit]

getting even just biscuit would raise your odds quite a bit

[umbral crown]

everyone has RH but me

[tropic summit]

add noah to that selection and remove RRH perhaps

[umbral crown]

[haughty mortar]

I rather attempt to get a 3rd or 4th copy of RRH honestly. Gremlin can rot for now.

[tropic summit]

game is actively nerfing you on purpose

[tropic summit]

well you're missing out on essentially the most important nikke for pvp

your choice

[haughty mortar]

I thought it was Jackal?

[tropic summit]

jackal is a core unit, but won't win alone a match

[haughty mortar]

Maybe during anni when I get more special recruit vouchers

[tropic summit]

noah can possibly win alone a match

[umbral crown]

[haughty mortar]

Hmmm

[umbral crown]

its a sigm

[tropic summit]

to give you a good idea, she's the only unit that can deny nukes, even emilia

[haughty mortar]

What do you use to record?

And also OK switching my teams to the defense ones you suggested

[coarse egret]

Thanks for the feedback, made some changes

[unkempt kestrel]

anyone got time to cook me a new pvp team. My current team is getting rekt so hard now. My RH and scarlet is not built yet but I can build them

[haughty mortar]

MUCH APPRECIATED RAILGUN-SAMA

Holy shit people started farming me in rookie ><

I lost to people I crushed today

[ornate mist]

@tropic summit any recommend 3 team for SP arena? , assume i have all unit. Thx

[umbral crown]

we can not asumme your investments

[eager mountain]

look heres irohasu

[graceful grotto]

Scarlet Blanc red hood centi Jackal

Noah Noise SBS/Sanis xMaiden Rapunzel

Rumani Biscuit Cinderella tHelm Anis (for 2RL), otherwise can consider Crown Biscuit Cinderella tHelm Rumani (for 3RL)

[umbral crown]

[graceful grotto]

i just got hit 5 times in a row by the same guys lmao

dude just use all its 5 attacks on me

[haughty mortar]

Well I swapped around my team for next time! I now know who to unload my load on tomorrow 😈

[haughty mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/letras-alfabeto-abc-gif-9605058

[eager mountain]

thats what i get for referencing oregairu

[umbral crown]

ei, bi, ci , di

[umbral crown]

https://tenor.com/view/oregairu-yahallo-yuigahama-yui-yui-yuigahama-gif-16928542338340463284

[haughty mortar]

Iroha means going back to basics. So...........THE ABCs!

[umbral crown]

yukinon besto grill

[tawny vine]

finally can justify trina mlb for pvp and not background fr

[umbral crown]

hahaha

im not sure if going for dupes for trina

[pale knoll]

[umbral crown]

sin miedo al exito?

[pale knoll]

Agreed

[umbral crown]

si

[rich quail]

Is there a need?

Don’t dupes help more with hp def and atk stats?

[eager mountain]

Mainly more s1 sustain for moran stall

Otherwise, it’s cp matter

Usually it should be for the latter

[raven plover]

despacito

[upper grove]

bay burst redirects dmg to cover right? would she be able to tank scar buffed by trina then?

[coarse lake]

Yes

[umbral belfry]

can noise solo b1 usually survive when on a cindy team?

[umbral crown]

suave suavecito

[swift mango]

The problem is that the cover needs to remain before the nuke hits.

[upper grove]

true

[umbral crown]

bay p4

[swift mango]

Even with Moran+p4bay there is still a chance for bay to lose her cover before the burst hit. So the timing need to be as close as possible...

[umbral crown]

give her SR15

fixed

[swift mango]

Hope this could counter Scarlet 2rl(doubt)... My helmT isn't strong enough to one shoot link unbuffed...

[umbral crown]

go max skill

phase 3

[swift mango]

Still not enough

[umbral crown]

my helm did 3.9m damage on the RH of the whale and it was 1 shot

unbuffed

[swift mango]

To one shot link you need enough dmg to kill 3 units at same time.

[umbral crown]

you kill 1 and the others follow

[swift mango]

Half hp on everyone more like

[umbral crown]

[swift mango]

Maybe if I got 4 AtK blue/black line or Crit the hit or hitting Fire unit...

[quick lake]

1. can replace Noise for Rapun
2. All ur pvp units should be overloaded.. eventually when u can.
3. Emilia needs 21% total. s1 maxed level with 8% cs from OL, lower s1 level means more cs% OLs

[umbral crown]

i have black lines of crit and crit damage

[swift mango]

I think I should have built my HelmT with ATK instead of CS after all. And LapT with Ele instead of CS..oh well.

[umbral crown]

uwu

[swift mango]

No point crying over spill milk.

[umbral crown]

when you focus just cs you see the unit just as battery

like i see emi now

[swift mango]

Nah I just need to buff my HelmT with Red and she would one shot.

[coarse lake]

Too much cs on lap could brick her

[umbral crown]

give me red hood

[coarse lake]

If fast enough to get both hits blocked by trina

[swift mango]

Brick what?

[umbral crown]

[swift mango]

Then fast enough to get off 3rd hit as well. Maybe even 4rd

[coarse lake]

Lap gen low enough that cs on her on most comps won't matter anyway

[swift mango]

[swift mango]

It's depending on which team you throw her in.

[coarse lake]

Normally you should get 3 hits off on 2rl scar, 1 blocked

If 17% now you prob still get 3 hits off, 2 blocked

[swift mango]

But with enough CS it's 4 hit off 2 blocked. The same.

[coarse lake]

4 hits in 3 hit time needs 25% iirc

[swift mango]

2rl Scarlet nuke at 3.2rl

[coarse lake]

Assuming that last hit is even fast enough, might not be, that's still 20% cs to... Do same dmg as before

Worse dmg unless you go 12/12 ele atk cs, but that's acc brick

Just build ele and atk

[swift mango]

That's not acc brick, that's either lucky or great investment or both .

[rich quail]

How much is “too much”?

The 17% we all know and aspire to get?

[eager mountain]

she don’t need 17 to be 17 anyway

[rich quail]

I don’t wanna brick my Laplus

[swift mango]

Defending on if you needed to use LapT to one shot Scar in the first place.
If you built LapT with ATK and ELE to one shot scar then she unlikely to have any CS.

So it's the same.

Nothing changed.

Assuming you want to 2nd shoot over Trina 2 second threshold you might want your LapT to have less than 10% CS...

[swift mango]

Well, My helmT actually have 3 Ele lines. One of them is black. But yeah, no Fire unit to one shot into.... Crit and critdmg line as well but useless if doesn't Crit on the nuke...

Rollinng for ATK stat now would be a pain.

[eager mountain]

i have 13% + 7% atk line on her

rerolling the 7% will cause her to have higher atk then emi and rez her if i put those in same team and sniped by rosa

[swift mango]

20% isn't enough to solo nuke link. Need around 50% at least.

Or enemy team lower invested.

[eager mountain]

c7

those still not enough ig

[swift mango]

But I hit whale 50lv higher than me only...

[eager mountain]

cant really get higher atk on emi she literally has best atk lines of all my units

[swift mango]

And he OL all his teams by now after getting hit by me for a whole year.

[eager mountain]

i need to stop rosa their jackal and actually use helm unke

tho its not even lv10 yet

its just too hard to def against mf that can cp gap u
as if its not hard enough to def with neutral cp

[unkempt kestrel]

if we have jackel and blanc in a comp, the carry must have the lowest total hp right(excluding blanc)?

[umbral crown]

if i was able to win 73 levels, 50 should be easier

[eager mountain]

ye, usually

[swift mango]

Well, my whale dude have full OL team and not just CP pad now.

I still can beat him though. 73 lv full CP pad x3 PvE teams was where I flop.

Can't beat that shit.

[coarse lake]

Then just go all ele

[umbral crown]

time to be the whale i wish to be

[coarse lake]

You're not aiming to kill 2 RL linked scar trina

But rather unlinked

[eager mountain]

kinda want it for clearing hard black snake asap

[coarse lake]

Vast majority of lap value these days is as elemental splash threat

And in pve the only time you use her is in ele adv anyway

[swift mango]

Meet 2rl linked scar Trina.

Moran linked for some spice.

[coarse lake]

Lap won't kill it regardless

[eager mountain]

elem neutral wise, the best off burst when either healing or gen is needed and/or boss doesnt/barely have core
so atk lines still good on her

[coarse lake]

I used her... Only when I can pierce, where she did ok

[eager mountain]

for instance, kraken, asuka sbs + helm despite core is mostly present cuz of helm gen to replace alice gen, better then naga there

and kraken have core most of the time

insane enough, shes just that good even as off burst
and the best water dps

[coarse lake]

Are we talking about helm or lap...

[eager mountain]

i was talking about helm from where u ping

[coarse lake]

Nvm then

[umbral crown]

[eager mountain]

currently running Noah Emilia Helm Rosa Mana t1 to bait emi or rosa

and need emi atk higher to rez emi instead of helm there lol

[coarse lake]

Rez doesn't consider ol atk, at least for rapu

Mana being instant Rez might consider it ig?

[eager mountain]

i donno, but both highest atk rez might mean the same, ugh, gonna test it in rookie ig

[coarse lake]

Mana could also be left to right prio

[eager mountain]

skill only says highest atk

[coarse lake]

Ah ok

Then it might or might not consider ol

Or rosa first target dying triggers revive before second target is registered

[eager mountain]

f no one running rosa in rookiee cuz noah bis + non attacker carry immune

can run jackel link against helm but their helm has to be able to nuke c7 helm...

just gonna wait for reset ig... lower point range should have some rosa there

[eager mountain]

rosa snipe occurs the same exact frame
if it has delay between target somehow then this wont be an issue, sigh

[unkempt kestrel]

I decided to pull for trina. This seems okay? My jackel hp is very low

[eager mountain]

dont need rh nor jackel for trina scar

[white compass]

Did y'all OL Moran for pvp?

[eager mountain]

get a real b1 and fill the rest of t1 with battery

[eager mountain]

soom^tm
need books

[white compass]

She's the only one on my squad that doesn't have OL.

[eager mountain]

id like to see how 4 atk 4 def moran goes

lv7 def cube and sr15 and as high as possible lb ofc

tho better off just spend rocks on cs, gonna need those for ca i suppose

so waiting for ca to see if imma invest her yeah

[unkempt kestrel]

jackel doesnt fit in my T3 because it have too little hp compare to SBS. I switched it with rumani

[eager mountain]

then she goes to t2 link with p1 noise and also can use bis somehwere else and turn it 2rl

[hushed kelp]

Where is everyone using this team builder tool?

[unkempt kestrel]

https://nikke-deck.web.app/

[hushed kelp]

Tysm!

[coarse lake]

anyone able to test a moran trina helmt comp for me, against various enemy setups (as long as it's a good enemy setup, tests against scar is especially needed)

suggested comp for testing is moran/trina/helmt/xmaiden/rapunzel, but anything works as long as burst chain is moran trina helmt, and the comp is 2rl

[eager mountain]

If I ignore eva skill then I’d have some books lol rip

[loud sonnet]

I found a scar comp but cp gapped

@wild patio make a scar team for rookie

Were in the same bracket if you notice

[loud sonnet]

Is this enough?

[coarse lake]

what invest is your moran and trina

[loud sonnet]

10/10/10 moran
Trina 4/7/7

both sr5

[coarse lake]

hmm

what ol lines on moran? any atk lines?

[coarse lake]

what's your sync diff from that guy

[loud sonnet]

The cindy comp?

[coarse lake]

yeah

[loud sonnet]

Guy is 402

[coarse lake]

huh...

ok so against some setups you want atk buffer for moran

crown/xmaiden/maxwell

[eager mountain]

well thats still a bad def team, if used as def
wants mana instead of centi there, still 2rl

[hushed kelp]

Anyone have any suggestions for improving my defense teams? I also have nero moran and quiry to switch in as well

[eager mountain]

noise p5 helm p4 anis p2 generally better
swap rapun for rosa if u run scar trina with jackel
rumani wants as high cs as possible for ur t3

[loud sonnet]

I didn't pull for mana Mb

[hushed kelp]

Rosa worth bringing the team down to 2.5RL?

[eager mountain]

its 2rl since they pretty much have to feed once

[hushed kelp]

Got it, thats super helpful to know. Thanks!

[eager mountain]

quantum trina + bad scar rng feed should still do it as well

[loud sonnet]

A lot of Cindy comp

[coarse lake]

this could be worth testing

prob a loss due to invuln removing lifesteal tho

[eager mountain]

its fully invuln all the way

[loud sonnet]

Same team?

[coarse lake]

[coarse lake]

see if you can fit in rapu while staying 2rl

[hushed kelp]

What harmony cubes do i need to prioritize leveling for sp arena?

[coarse lake]

well actually ig going to 3rl is fine against that setup

moran/trina/helmt/crown/rapu

[eager mountain]

depends on what u have leveled already

[coarse lake]

actually no, use a splash dps instead of crown

wanna try to trigger jackal invuln asap

[quick lake]

quantum, tempering mostly
Situationally, adjustant, hpUp and healing cube too

tldr: alot of cubes

[loud sonnet]

This will do?

[eager mountain]

well tempering is stonger but also more situational then vigor...

[hushed kelp]

Tempering 8, quant 6, adjutant 5, vigor 5, healing 5

[eager mountain]

quant and vigor
tempering is good at lv7

[quick lake]

Defenders take hp up; supported take tempering; adjutant for cs% breakpoints, healing cube on healers, quantum for rl breakpoints

[coarse lake]

yeah sure

if moran lives nuke you could win

[hushed kelp]

Aiming to get quant and vigor to 7 should suffice?

[quick lake]

Probably tempering maybe. Just slap them all on everyone

I'll just hoard union chips for now tbh

[eager mountain]

mostly enough for sp

[hushed kelp]

Kk

Thanks

[quick lake]

Yeah, what u have is good enough

[coarse lake]

ok that worked out nicely, should have swapped helmt and trina in hindsight since nuke getting blocked anyway, but glad trina lived

that setup might live against single buff emi

[eager mountain]

0 buff emi
tho team lived without much heal wtf

[coarse lake]

fundamentally it's a setup that forces them to run 2rl setups or have some other way to counter the snipe

doesn't seem worthy of god moran title, but eh, seems good enough for a champ arena team

I think a good setup does also need rapu, some off-burst healer

otherwise double invuln setups can wall it

[eager mountain]

well, mana helm heals

[loud sonnet]

Im willing to sacrifice my last attempt on sp if you want to test this team

[eager mountain]

needs mana against rosa anyway

[coarse lake]

oh yes that's a great test

single buff indom scar

run moran/helmt/trina/flex/rapu

2rl

[eager mountain]

lol the anti-rosa rapun there

[coarse lake]

put trina elsewhere so she doesn't die

[eager mountain]

enough of those blanc scar free rosa one click

[coarse lake]

yeah that should work

if it can't beat that, it might be a lost cause for sp

[eager mountain]

[eager mountain]

would better OL do it

[coarse lake]

oof

not enough lifesteal

[eager mountain]

well trina 4/7/7 so higher can also help

investment intensive....

[coarse lake]

xmaiden over emilia maybe? but doubtful that extra bit of atk is enough to sustain moran

hmm ig biscuit is prob needed

[tawny vine]

did the thing

[coarse lake]

moran/trina/biscuit/helmt/emilia, and just give up on a second burst chain

[tawny vine]

also how does she work with scar blanc? since there's hp increase too

[iron hatch]

someone explain to me why both of anis rockets are targeting noah

[quick lake]

Someone mentioned this happened to them recently

[raven plover]

it changes target from helm RH to noah cindy?

[eager mountain]

[iron hatch]

might have been me, i just didnt have any video footage then

[quick lake]

oh ya maybe

[coarse lake]

yeah I think it's noah cindy instead of double noah

[raven plover]

it is yea

[coarse lake]

2 projectiles

the one towards cindy is just mostly blocked so hard to see

it's working as intended

[eager mountain]

docoy shinenigan?

[coarse lake]

them being so close also makes the projectiles travel almost same time, only diff is the angle

[iron hatch]

so it would seem

[quick lake]

Solution: dont run sanis

[coarse lake]

no bug happening, but yeah still don't run sanis

[iron hatch]

well i'm stumped then, my scarlet/jackal team doesn't do enough damage before he full bursts

[coarse lake]

join the sanis bench gang

match speed and emi nuke it

gonna have to pull out the calcs to figure out true speed with their p2 cindy tho

[iron hatch]

i dont have emi

[coarse lake]

well that's a mega brick hmm

[iron hatch]

would have solved it, i agree

[limber rampart]

Could someone help me beat this guy

[umbral crown]

waos, nice

[limber rampart]

My issue is biscuitless noahless

[coarse lake]

use your own noise noah biscuit stall of some sort ig

[eager mountain]

i mean invuln will do it

[eager mountain]

moran trina thelm bis xmaiden should be the most well rounded setup ig

[coarse lake]

lol

moran healed herself to like full twice

[loud sonnet]

Xmaiden is not invested sadly

[coarse lake]

yeah using biscuit over rapu seems to be a lot more steady

second burst doesn't seem to be that important

[unique mountain]

Send the updated burst gen tier list with trina

[coarse lake]

xmaiden would be risky here due to possibly stealing invuln

[eager mountain]

kinda need the back up b3 to be non attacker to deal with rosa, thats why xmaiden

[coarse lake]

yeah ig emi or lap for the last slot to stay 2rl without risking wrong iinvuln

[eager mountain]

want to cook a moran trina def

[coarse lake]

yeah there is rosa risk

[loud sonnet]

Me done

[eager mountain]

thank you for your service

trina would be either aduj or vigor, longest proj time

tho.... dont need to be fast anyway

just vigor ig

[coarse lake]

that setup has another benefit I think

a bit of cs on everyone except moran, should be faster than 2rl

just need to be fast enough so you can b3 before you get nuked, for consistency against 2rl nukes

doesn't need 17% on everyone, just a line or two

[eager mountain]

yeah true its still very important that way

[coarse lake]

more expensive than before, but maybe good enough to use as sp def

[eager mountain]

not too expensive tbh consider how many options we have

[coarse lake]

for sp it's cheap yeah

biscuit helmt

and isn't weak to most scar jacks unlike moran biscuit sanis

run noah with cindy

then scar with blanc jackal

[coarse lake]

thanks for the help with testing

[eager mountain]

maybe its time to unleash the book boxes

[loud sonnet]

Im ready when siren release

[eager mountain]

mlb?

[loud sonnet]

Hope

[eager mountain]

tbh the only purpose for me to mlb any banner is good burst background

like reit personally

useless otherwise

[coarse lake]

now curious how it performs against noah noise biscuit cindy

could be where lack of second burst hurts it

well using up their noah biscuit + cindy while using only your biscuit and helmt is pretty impressive regardless

[eager mountain]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1177116972593463316/1349974851758067732/1218582560406503454.webp

[coarse lake]

esp if you run 2rl cindy and indom scar for other teams

[eager mountain]

well if its close to working then xmaiden is also better in that scenario dealing with leftover cindy there

[coarse lake]

it might win against 2rl scar trina, could use test there too

if moran gets a invuln proc it should win I think

[eager mountain]

it should, scar 10/7trina barely nukes c7 attacker at high sync 15% deficit

moran b1 should simply do it

[coarse lake]

it does lose against a triple buff scar

[quick lake]

Invuln Noah, no Moran heal

[coarse lake]

double it might lose as well

[eager mountain]

double should be more then fine as long as one of those aint trina

[quick lake]

I havr a vid against that setup above, completely dead

[coarse lake]

actually

double buff you should snipe

shouldn't feed them enough to reach 2rl

so the standard scar/blanc/rh/centi/jackal

[eager mountain]

?

[quick lake]

#pvp-arena message
Bad setup in hindsight

[coarse lake]

[quick lake]

Oh actually, maybe if I had burst using trina hmmmm

[coarse lake]

need to see how it performs against noah biscuit, if it can lose, that means it's not strict upgrade to moran biscuit sanis

[eager mountain]

well, thats why we bring bis with her

ur also in deficit, and stall team scales ridiciously with deficit

[loud sonnet]

Im not touching that

[quick lake]

The only somewhat interesting Triba teams are:

Scar Trina HelmT Laplace Moran
Moran Trina HelmT Biscuit Maiden

maybe

[coarse lake]

prob cp diffed

[loud sonnet]

51 level difference

[eager mountain]

to avoid xmaiden stealing invuln.... well... nah

[eager mountain]

Scar Trina Centi Anis(Q) Moran
Scar sacc Trina Rosa SSRclip

[quick lake]

Still lose to double buffed scar i think

[eager mountain]

best scar trina variations

[quick lake]

AnisQ is the sr version?

oh quantum okay

[eager mountain]

quantum for 2rl

[quick lake]

Scar Trina teams still kinda iffy. Either u nuke them, or u dont

[eager mountain]

sacc rosa would be the best there but obviously cp issue means insane investment

[coarse lake]

at that point use rapu over quiry

[eager mountain]

no burst chain against rosa

thats why xmaiden

guess have to accept xmaiden stealing invuln, can still make it agianst some bis i guess

before they cook a support b3 clip sg

[crystal flicker]

Scarlet Trina don't need Jackal for extra gen?

[eager mountain]

no, and adds helm weakness while should still weak to rosa and other stuff
and jackal in scar trina moran team is a minus
also a minus in scar trina rosa there bricking rosa b1
but might be needed for sacc rosa trina scar, thats why ssrClip there

[quick lake]

Even with sacc, u cant reach 1.5RL

Not enough gen

Damn, I thought there was a chance

[eager mountain]

its 2rl with 0cs
most importantly to sabotage their gen to 3-4rl so that they cant even noah it, invalidate a lot of options unless they can cp gap it

[quick lake]

true

[eager mountain]

but yeah need a ton of cp tons of ol lines

[crystal flicker]

Why Moran tho

[eager mountain]

sustain p5 team taunt and cope scar can live pass a regular nuke and kill

[quick lake]

Post-nuke survivability

[crystal flicker]

[radiant storm]

Try Noah, Biscuit, Rapi Rh, Rh, Jackal

Or Noah, Biscuit, S. Anis, Rh, Jackal

[eager mountain]

cp diff, and meant to test moran

[shell atlas]

Dude

I can't find someone with 60 k

Bro hitting me with a brick and leaving

[crystal flicker]

you're leaving the game once yeh

40sync diff is like 1 month leave

[shell atlas]

Yeah, I guess that's accurate ... I think I could still catch up on the Sync Diff because I got like 4k 1 hour core boxes, but I wanted to try and push campaign first, it's just a matter of needing mats like doll equips, materials to enchant and overlock my gear and so on

[eager mountain]

i cant help, by literal lol

[crystal flicker]

that's probably why

[plain owl]

Hey guys, what's a good counter for 2/2.5 RL Emilia other than blanc?

[shell atlas]

And to be honest I don't even want to like really push campaign hard, I just want to improve my standing to get a few more gems

[crystal flicker]

Push campaign, if you're stuck from high deficit you can open cd boxes (just enough to pass the deficit)

[eager mountain]

0.5rl faster or just slower noah
rosa
etc depends on their team
gtg

[crystal flicker]

tbh, just auto and let it run in the background, manual a bit if you're lose on low deficit

[shell atlas]

I'm already low on deficit, and I also ran into a problem where although I did plan my pulls efficiently to break the 160 wall, I never ended up getting the really good campaign units, so I ended up with a weird electric comp for campaign.

Right now I'm trying to build two different units at a time and slowly slot them into the team to try and turn this into a stronger campaign team, but it caused me to be stuck since it's still basically training 2 different units and investing my resources on them instead of making my main team stronger

[crystal flicker]

just invest on 1 team

stop investing to Nikke that you're going to replace

[wintry viper]

hello, what's the best team to beat the following teams in SP Arena?

[crystal flicker]

The moment I invest to a Nikke, I stop every investment to other Nikke

[shell atlas]

Yeah I mean, to be fair 4 out of the 5 units I did train for my main team are usable in other content, it's just that they don't work as well in camapign (Scarlet, Cindarella, Summer Anis, Naga)

[crystal flicker]

You don't have Crown or any Duos?

[shell atlas]

I only have Blanc Rouge Duo

Like, to give you an idea

[crystal flicker]

they're better

[shell atlas]

I have Core+1 Noah and no Crown

And for like 20 or a bit less chapters I was running Exia B1 and Marciana B2 because I had nothing else

[crystal flicker]

you have Rouge

[shell atlas]

Yeah, I have her now

And I did train her up, she and Blanc work wonders

[crystal flicker]

No RH?

You need Alice then if you don't have RH

[shell atlas]

I have her and she is planned for the new team but I got her late

[crystal flicker]

It's better

This is D1 account and still RH-less

[shell atlas]

I don't think I got helm lol

[crystal flicker]

I mileage her

[shell atlas]

hold up let me finish this cutscene and I'll send the team I have in mind

[crystal flicker]

200 gold mileage for 1 copy of Helm, 400 silver mileage for 2 spare bodies

[eager mountain]

worth ig if cant get her from wishlist

not like elysion wishlist isnt complete piece of cr*p that pulling after anchor is better

[shell atlas]

It's funny because I also had bad luk with Elysion wishlist

[jade merlin]

Trina best for scarlet rn?

[eager mountain]

scar or moran or both
need more testing to tell

[shell atlas]

because I had Wife D on wishlist the entire time and I have MLB Maid Privaty

[eager mountain]

and mpriv got benched pretty much everywhere a bit ago

[radiant storm]

Send here your Comps so that they can build you the teams

[crystal flicker]

bro really bench Scarlet Trina

[shell atlas]

This is my currently strongest team combat power wise and this is the team I'm training (Laplace for scale / maybe replaced by Liter for Rapi B3 or Centi for quick burst)

[crystal flicker]

post your Nikke box

[eager mountain]

saying to anchor

[crystal flicker]

I wont build Grave and La+ for campaign

[eager mountain]

grave is second best b2 for campaign in general

[crystal flicker]

not for deficit push

[eager mountain]

issue is no crown shield

[crystal flicker]

Crown > Duos > Grave / Mari

[shell atlas]

Also no Tia

[eager mountain]

just have to burst thru stuff with insane pierce buff

and use cover properly

[swift mango]

Considering his level and core+ nikke, his CP isn't even high... Probably unbuilt Noah ...

[crystal flicker]

You have ScarletBS

[swift mango]

[eager mountain]

its for moran test requested agianst cindy comp
but lv gap cp gap

[shell atlas]

Is she really that good for campaign? I remember using Drunket for so long but barely SBS

[swift mango]

She is good for scarlet because it allows for a good b2 third team... By freeing Blanc to use somewhere else...

Otherwise, it's still non protected 2rl wipe, easy to counter with 2rl SBS+Noah

[crystal flicker]

Duo: ScarletBS/Cindy Rouge RH Blanc Flex
1 B2: ScarletBS/Cindy Rapipi RH Grave Flex
RH B1: ScarletBS/Cindy Rapipi Alice RH Grave

Flex CP pad or good offburst

This the only Nikke you should need for PvE

[swift mango]

Not that good if your drunklet is 150k and SBS like 100k...

[tropic summit]

yep looks better

[swift mango]

Many elec weak stages in campaign too.

[tropic summit]

#pvp-arena message

[swift mango]

So if your drunklet has 60% Ele or sth SBS still worse.

[shell atlas]

Well, if I have to bring up numbers, Drunket is 39k while SBS is 25k

[crystal flicker]

Elec weak is mainly bossess though

[shell atlas]

Yeah like, that's my issue, I have a really good boss slaying comp ready

But the moment I get faced with like a campaign stage where they start by throwing a bunch of jumpers that oneshot my nikkes that are out of cover, I get stuck because my team can't handle that well

[crystal flicker]

build your SBS, ch 33-34 is wind weak and you NEED her

[eager mountain]

(distribute dmg weak)

[crystal flicker]

Volley ball is so ass

[radiant storm]

1st Pos Opposite: Noise, Noah, Biscuit, S. Anis, Laplace

2nd Pos Opposite: Scar, Blanc, Rh, Anis Sr, Jackal

3rd Pos Opposite: Naga, Rapu, Cindy, Helm T3, Centi

[shell atlas]

Okay so I am building Red Hood, Rapi RH and SBS

[eager mountain]

fine so far to me, expected it to be annoying without wind weak tbh

but not that bad didnt even need to manual snipe around 25 deficit, with sbs elem neutral

[crystal flicker]

I'm 30 defcit though

[radiant storm]

You just need to win his Sbs and Cindy Team

[shell atlas]

If I am lucky I am getting Crown before it becomes a big issue and I'll be able to slot in Crown + Naga

[eager mountain]

time rh burst ig

[shell atlas]

otherwise it's Alice Grave or Rouge and Blanc

[crystal flicker]

RH B1 goes brr

[crystal flicker]

ALice needs manual

[eager mountain]

no recent mob stage as bs as those really bad ones, few base defense/defense annoying but not mandatory, later chapter been about boss walling, as it shoould

[crystal flicker]

if you're stuck, try looking for the stage guide at YouTube, they'll show the place to spam ALice for burst gen

to beat that start bomber

[shell atlas]

Dude I'm stuck at 26-15 I know I can kill the boss, but those jumpers + projectiles that need a specific hit count mess me up way too hard

[eager mountain]

its a wall number

[crystal flicker]

modernia

Hit count is literally Modernia showcase

[shell atlas]

Too weak Why do you think I'm training a new team, because I was running the first team that can't handle this kind of pressure super early.

[eager mountain]

can try asuka
tho cp issue

[crystal flicker]

Tbh SAnis La+ barely have any place in PvE

You might want to tidy up your upgrade plan

[eager mountain]

la+ never had any real use outside of overclock

sanis, shes good enough to still have some use lol

[crystal flicker]

PvP gen

[eager mountain]

u said pve so

[crystal flicker]

The only time I use SAnis is when I'm running Elec Comp

[shell atlas]

To be fair La+ is a bit of a waifu pick but she's there for CP padding and I use her for burst generation (even though I have centi)

[crystal flicker]

Crown Rapipi Ein Cindy SAnis

[eager mountain]

and not really a battery by 2rl standard just happen to gen and elem pressure the same time so decent enough

[crystal flicker]

You can slot her for flex then for the time being

[shell atlas]

Yeah, I'll do that for now