pvp-arena

[crystal flicker]

sec just to make the calculation easier

[wintry viper]

Hello, how do you beat this SP Arena defense?

[swift mango]

I remember Kosmiu said, he counts these numbers. After a standard RL shot hit their target. I assume no CS involved.

[spiral onyx]

Here's a secret:
None of the public burst gen calculators are derived by looking at the actual game. We calculate it outside of the game then verify it in-game

The main thing is, the calculations are then simplified into an "RL" system which excludes attack speed and charge speed modifiers rather than a more accurate "frame" system

[swift mango]

Are you implying a datamine or not.

[spiral onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/aragog-we-do-not-speak-of-it-harry-potter-chamber-of-secrets-harry-potter-chamber-of-secrets-gif-10584152205073767257

[pale knoll]

You can't be serious

[spiral onyx]

Take the burst gen numbers for Quency: Escape Queen for example

[pale knoll]

T2 2rl helm nuke, t3 scar jackal 3rl should be enough

[pale knoll]

[spiral onyx]

We clearly took super high resolution screenshots and pixel counted to get those 3 decimal places

[swift mango]

What chart are you using

[dire root]

Wait they lost that?

[crystal flicker]

Private chart

[spiral onyx]

either of the two in the pins

[crystal flicker]

yeh, I wont touch that data gathering hell

[swift mango]

I don't think I have seen those 3 decimal places in either of those charts...

[spiral onyx]

The thing you have to remember is, if you have a 3RL team that features 5 RLs against a 3RL team that features 4 RLs + 1 MG, that "3RL" team with an MG is bursting first

"but Keripo, both teams are 3RL, how does that make sense?"

Simple. Cause "3RL" is a lie

[crystal flicker]

coz MG works by the frame

PvP is a lie

[dire root]

Is blanc the perfect counter to single target burst III? It seems like it.

[swift mango]

Saw it, wow thank you for telling me it exists

[spiral onyx]

Makima is the perfect counter to single target Burst 3 lol

not that anyone should be using single target burst 3s in PvP

[dire root]

Yeah but only old people with dementia have the chainsaw man units.

[spiral onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/abe-simpson-abe-simpson-cloud-yelling-cloud-angry-gif-12558964

[swift mango]

Just use Moran

[swift mango]

I want to build that 5rls +1mg team too.

[spiral onyx]

4RL + 1 MG I meant lmao

[dire root]

Who would win, one of the strongest PvE units in the game also being one of the strongest single target bursts in the game or one blanc girl.

spoiler it is blanc, she kicks the shit out of red hood

[crystal flicker]

So, in order to get accurate burst gen, the game shooting formula itself is needed

[swift mango]

I think Blanc should be SSS in arena at this point along with Noah and Biscuit. Everyone and their mother are using them.

[dire root]

Yeah she is a hard counter to single target bursts, she really should be up there with noah.

[rich quail]

It’s deffo March

Shifty Up didn’t say WHICH March it was

March 2035 - BOOK IT

[swift mango]

She is the cornerstone of every team. All meta teams these days are built around Blanc and Noah. Everything else are replaceable.

[dire root]

I struggle to cheese teams with her, do you just need a buffed up high investment Rei T nuke?

crushing with combat power advantage also works I suppose.

[swift mango]

Either you burst 3 faster than their B2. Or you burst your own Blanc slightly lower than their Blanc but still faster than their b3. Or just turtle up with Noah and heal up.

[crystal flicker]

That's why you said obtaining the raw numbers is a secret

[swift mango]

Why comment so late without a quote?

I doubt Keripo would see it.

[crystal flicker]

this reminds me to a coding assignment that I did few years ago

[dire root]

Best option seems is getting a slightly slower blanc, but then again if you aren't careful your team may get nuked.

[crystal flicker]

Personally IF I'm busy, I don't want to get distrubed by anything
I assume he's busy so I don't want to disturb him

[swift mango]

But then you would be chatting with air.

[crystal flicker]

It's pretty fun

[swift mango]

Have fun

[crystal flicker]

I just remembered Nikke PvP is done before the battle animation shows up

[quick lake]

Its more so knowing how many frames/bullet. Which we dont have access to. So we can only analyse frame by frame

U technically also need to take into account projectile travelling time

Bullet travelling time too

[crystal flicker]

it's fixed tho

you only need bullet speed, sourcePos, targetPos to calc travelling time

[swift mango]

So you just need datamine

[crystal flicker]

as for frames/bullet, it's back to interval

and interval is time

[onyx scaffold]

investing in lapus now @umbral crown be proud of me -. -

[brazen nova]

wait i cant post pic?

this is my pvp team

this is my nikkes, how i can improve my pvp team?

[crystal flicker]

all your teams were too slow

[swift mango]

Wish list these units Helm, Viper, Noir, Centi, Rumani, Jackal, Noah, Blanc, Moran and pray.

[keen vapor]

Viper

[swift mango]

Every single burst gen units count at his point.

[crystal flicker]

Ludmilla BIscuit ScarletBS Pepper Anis
Noise Rapunzel Cindy MAnchor Maiden/Mana
Auto/Cp pad

[swift mango]

He has drake though

[crystal flicker]

too low

[raven plover]

https://tenor.com/view/drake-pointing-you-smile-gif-10763807

[swift mango]

Just need to move some equipment to her.

[crystal flicker]

It's too much work for me

[swift mango]

Look at these to see if those would be any helps. Otherwise just do 2 team and auto another.

[wintry viper]

thank you!

[pale knoll]

Assuming your thelm is p3 btw

[rustic sandal]

what should my team be?

[crystal flicker]

upgrade tactics academy in the out post to unlock more sync slot

[graceful umbra]

i need me some gears to Ol 😭

[graceful umbra]

Rapi, Anis, Neon, N102, and ether
You can thank me later

[crystal flicker]

For now just use
Novel Liter ScarletBS Anis Pepper
N102 Grave ReiT Neon La+
Auto/Highest CP

Only level up 5 Nikke, the rest should leveled by Sync

[graceful umbra]

Lmao i just noticed brid level 58

[mild lion]

What is the best comp to counter Scarlet Blanc?

[pale knoll]

What RL

Can noah, thelm nuke etc

[onyx scaffold]

@lone zinc 4 pic max per message

[onyx scaffold]

SBS Noah

[lone zinc]

Hello I've attached my arena teams. Note Rookie uses the same as team 1. It also includes all my synchro units ordered by power. Note viper has her fav item, nobody else does.

Looking for any advice on updating the teams to make them better. Thank you!

[shell hazel]

your overall CP there looks pretty low, I'm sync 251 with 800K and my teams are far from perfect

with your investment levels you'll probably find running two decent teams + 1 CP padded team the best option

scarlet / jackal / blanc is a common team comp, as is noah / biscuit / cindy

not sure how S.Anis fits in she is before my time I don't have her

#pvp-arena message

there's common rec teams I think you can do at least two of them

your team 2 is already following basic S.Anis comp, you lack RH to push Scarlet/Blanc that well

maybe these two and see what you have leftover to build around SBS

Cindy Teams
Noah Centi Cindy Anis Rumani (2RL)

SAnis Teams
Moran Biscuit SAnis ClipSG Rumani/Centi (3RL)

ClipSG / Rumani / Centi / Anis are similar role, battery

so first 3 in each team would be your core, and then the last 2 slots are just battery roles with ClipSG users

these sort of units fit the clip SG/RL roll, and you're using some already

I am not sure how treasure impacts Viper in PVP as I understand it does change how she functions here

each team will of course need a normal b1/b2/b3 for bursting, so check that is true. Cindy should not be in P1 or P2 if you can avoid it

I think Viper changes burst mode on treasure

if you run SAnis she should not have any ammo rolls on OL and no one in the squad should do +ammo (Noir for example)

[lone zinc]

Thank you for all the information and insight! Appreciate it. One issue is I don't have Rumani but I can work around it.

Also what is ClipSG? Sorry I don't know that term.

[shell hazel]

Rumani is good but not super important others can take her role

I don't see Noise here, are any units not shown/not synced?

ClipSG/RL refers to how the clip works, I believe they can partially reload instead of all at once

for example Naga is normal SG and Noir is ClipSG - but don't quote me on that, there is a difference to how they work in pvp and in general it seems clip version is better here

[upper grove]

clip SG and RL generate more burst than regular SG and RL, that's why they are better in pvp

[shell hazel]

I wasn't sure on the definition of how they are split myself, just seemed sort of like what I said

[lone zinc]

Ah okay, great! Is there a list of the RL / clip SG units? Or is it in their descriptions in-game

[upper grove]

should be in the pins somewhere

[shell hazel]

I posted most of them above

this would be an option for example with your units

[lone zinc]

Yes definitely! Where did you find that image that is cool

[upper grove]

noir drake maiden are usable clip SGs, although maiden is kinda eh nowadays
meta clip RL are centi rumani anis jackal, meta nonclip RL are biscuit noah noise, xmaiden cindy also good

[bleak shale]

basically u cant let her burst if u want speed

because shes reenter and slows u down and doesnt progress b2

[shell hazel]

a little slow on this one 3.5RL

[keen vapor]

Clip RL are so rare that you can easily remember them

[raven plover]

I keep my viper treasure at base so she doesnt reenter

[glad meteor]

We need another term for clip rl level gen units

[keen vapor]

This can't burst

[glad meteor]

HelmT, noah, emi don’t fit the mold

[shell hazel]

ah yeah we need a b1 🙂

I did say to check it, is rumani b1?

[keen vapor]

Yes

But Rumani is "slow" clip RL so speed has to be double checked

[shell hazel]

they not got rumani here

[shell hazel]

https://nikke-deck.web.app/

[lone zinc]

Jackal?

[shell hazel]

you'd want to use her with SBS team I think

Jackal links to your two highest atk units

probably a diff b1 there after Anis, pepper is an option it looks like if you have her

which b1 units do you have? your image may be missing some?

[keen vapor]

@lusty gull small suggestion but it could be nice to add a warning for the case where a team can't full burst

[lusty gull]

it's already there

[keen vapor]

Huh?

Hungry Hippo, you didn't saw it

-# Me neither

[lusty gull]

bottom right

[keen vapor]

[shell hazel]

oh that isn't that obvious to me 😄

[lusty gull]

now you know it

[lone zinc]

Tia, Liter, DKW, Noah, Rosanna, Jackal, Moran, Volume, Milk, Misato, Yan, BAlice, Rouge, Dorothy. They should be in the image. Maybe it's low quality.

Here's a higher quality one

[shell hazel]

I see thanks, so you got no one out of synchro?

Noah is a b2 not a b1 ofc

[lone zinc]

Oh yea apologies. I do have units out of synchro but I don't have resources to level them, and it's nobody important

I do have Pepper, Noise and Volume tho

[shell hazel]

well you may need pepper here, or noise

I doubt your normal anis is that invested either?

pepper gets this to 2RL (though maybe she should swap place with Anis so she doesn't get killed by anyone target p5)

[quiet fiber]

What team should I use against this?

[lone zinc]

Okay I can do that

[keen vapor]

Pepper gaming

[upper grove]

pepper treasure next wave

[keen vapor]

2 RL Noah Anis

[shell hazel]

check what CP looks like, also we may need to put Noir here as you can't use her with S.Anis and you lack batteries

[limber rampart]

Could someone help me beat this guy?

[quiet fiber]

Normal Anis?

[keen vapor]

I have an idea

You have your own Helm treasure right?

[quiet fiber]

Yeah. Phase 2

[shell hazel]

2.5RL for this comp, think we'll need Anis for the other team

[keen vapor]

Scarlet Black Shadow/Blanc/Helm/Centi/Jackal

[shell hazel]

3RL S.Anis

[lunar pawn]

time to make a new defense, need fresh ideas if anyone got any

my current

roster #pvp-arena message

[shell hazel]

try those 2 teams out for CP, give Quantum to Centi + Anis + Jackal if you have 3 to give out

[lunar pawn]

that's rookie

[shell hazel]

Moran maybe even temperance so she is tankier as she is the only b1 there

[keen vapor]

I know

[lone zinc]

Okay great! Thank you. Then I'll try to throw together a third team with the guides you linked

[shell hazel]

I'd look at what you can build with Jackal / Blanc / SBS maybe

for 3rd team, depends who is left to use

[lone zinc]

The three you mentioned are available 🙂

[shell hazel]

I think that team should gun for higher CP than your other teams

because you don't have core units for a Scarlet/Blanc/RH/Jackal team

[quiet fiber]

That worked! Thanks.

[keen vapor]

2 RL Emi could also work

But whenever there's a Noah without a Biscuit I like to use SBS

[lone zinc]

Can Rapi RH sub for RH?

[quiet fiber]

Noted for future reference.

[shell hazel]

she could yes, her buff is not as strong and your scarlet is weaker than your SBS

[keen vapor]

No

[shell hazel]

so maybe try this:

[graceful grotto]

this comp just scream emi for me lol

[keen vapor]

Please avoid using MG in PVP if possible

[keen vapor]

Rapi won't be B1 bc jackal is there

She won't buff

[keen vapor]

See? Emi

[shell hazel]

ah yes ofc

[lone zinc]

Okay thank you! It's weird I'm not using Scarlet at all haha but let's see., should I use team 1 for Rookie?

[keen vapor]

@mod ah....

[shell hazel]

I don't set rookie teams to same as sp-arena teams

if you have same people in both they can just test your sp-arena def? seems silly

my rookie arena team is my campaign team 😄

[keen vapor]

[lone zinc]

Okay sounds good

[shell hazel]

honestly rookie barely matters

set high cp team who cares if it can win?

[upper grove]

rookie is good to cook some attack teams for free

[shell hazel]

note your 3rd team has crown (which is MG and is bad for PVP as noted)

[upper grove]

I actually use my campaign team for sp arena as pad team so I can't use it in rookie

[shell hazel]

but the CP should be higher there as you invested the units a bit it looks like

[lone zinc]

Yea Crown is highly invested

[shell hazel]

so people can take on two structured teams or gun for your higher CP 3rd team

if you luck into a RH you can build a proper scarlet/blanc team

[raven plover]

same I havent change my def since jackal released

[shell hazel]

if you built new Rei.T then she can also work OK as unbuffed b3 as she buffs herself more, don't see many using her yet

[keen vapor]

Round 1: Wait, you have Helm treasure?

Round 2: Scarlet/Blanc/Liter/Centi/Jackal

Round 3: Skip by putting Mihara alone, she likes pain, trust

[lone zinc]

Yes I will build new Rei for a raid team

[shell hazel]

what is the CP with these 3 teams / and per team? uninvested units can tank it a bit

you may need to up the investment in the two first teams a bit if they're weaker

[lone zinc]

I will look this afternoon to switch and check CP on the teams,

[shell hazel]

make sure everyone has a cube at least, and any gear you can throw on them

[sleek root]

I use Rookie to test comps to use in SP. It's not worth it to take Rookie rank seriously. The point difference u get per rank 1~10 is minuscule

[shell hazel]

as mentioned quantum onto centi + anis + jackal if you have 3 to give

[lone zinc]

Yup I will do that for quantum

[shell hazel]

for most of my pvp units I don't go insane on them yet as I need resources for campaign team... but basic OL's can help pad CP up a lot

so chest + boots reach stage to add OL and just kind of accept whatever the first rock does

units in p1 take more hits, so Noah + Moran would want a bit more TLC than say Anis

[lone zinc]

Feels weird not running Rosanna lol

[shell hazel]

she is good but around a specific comp that uses her, she is also pretty high investment

make sure you wish list any of the missing core units btw, if you didn't already

Rumani + OG Rapunzel at least

OG Rapu is revive + heal + b1 slot so useful swiss army knife

[lone zinc]

Oh I might have OG Rapunzel I should check

[shell hazel]

if you got some spare dolls throw them out as well, it's hard to say go all in on dolls for pvp units when you got campaign units to boost

but if you got spare SR dolls you could go straight to SR-0 on some maybe, no doll mats then

[sleek root]

Rosanna... 43% atk OL, SR5, She still a bit iffy to 2hko. Had to soften them up 1st with Scarlet or emi, for a guaranty kill

[keen vapor]

I did

[keen vapor]

I wouldn't

[shell hazel]

I went to SR-0 on xmaiden and tbh it's fine, I doubt I can touch it for a while

Iike months and months 😄

I don't tend to if I ever want SR-15 later though

[sleek root]

SR5 Maidenx Normal attack hurts

That s2

[shell hazel]

I got my core units mostly to SR-15 this solo raid but I have so many dolls to do

Cindy + RH + SBS + treasure Helm are SR-15

rest are SR-5 or less

even Alice, poor girl 🙂

oh btw @lone zinc consider building Treasure Helm if you can spare the resources, she is the best pvp battery atm

at the least get the materials for her treasure for later on from the bulletins

10/1/1 skills is all she needs for that to work + SR-15 doll + LB2 (so high investment ish)

[sleek root]

ikr its a blasphemy. I definitely didn't put a SR0 doll on my Drunk scarlet when dolls was just introduced. I definitely didn't And i definitely didn't put a SR0 doll on Nero by accident

[keen vapor]

I did give an R doll to Privaty and lacked another one for Scarlet for quite some time

Nero

[upper grove]

green SR15, pink SR5, waiting for trina kit first before doing more SR5 pvp units or even maybe drunk scar SR15 so I can finally pair her with 2 invested units without them stealing jackal - nvm my crown also got SR15

[shell hazel]

Blanc ate all my doll mats 200 blue for R-5 I hope the rest of the stages go a bit easier

I need to upgrade Rapi + Alice from SR-5 to SR-15 which will be costly

[keen vapor]

180 dollars in skins

[shell hazel]

haha mine are worse

[upper grove]

"only 150", half price for 1 gacha

[shell hazel]

hacks

[keen vapor]

[keen vapor]

Helm treasure will be your only chance so

Round 1: Noise/Rumani/Anis/Cinderella/Helm

[lunar pawn]

is cindy's burst buffed by FB buffs?

[umbral crown]

But out of sync

Gogo

[keen vapor]

No

It means she doesn't gets buffed by Helm

[lunar pawn]

oh well

at least she can get noise/centi buffed in a 2RL team

well, centi debuff

[keen vapor]

Uh huh

[lone zinc]

Yes I am trying to level up the doll I need more kits haha. It's a priority, along with Rapi RH, Maid mast/anchor and new Asuka/Rei all for raid

[umbral crown]

I always start with SR0, easier to unbrick to SR5 than R0 to R15

[onyx scaffold]

she is sr6 now

[mild lion]

And @onyx scaffold thank you both. I took the SBS route and used the batteries you suggested.

[pale knoll]

[umbral crown]

Excellent

[fast relic]

Has something changed with Cindy in pvp recently? Mine is just not doing anything when she bursts now. Leaving 4/5 enemies levels of terrible. No cp disadvantage

[upper grove]

cindy aoe nuke doesn't snapshot dmg anymore if something like noah blocks slightly later. delay hits noah invuln now instead of bypassing it (assuming noah bursts a bit later)

[keen vapor]

Noah buffed

[upper grove]

too strong in pvp

[keen vapor]

Noah the strongest she can defeat her enemies while asleep

[quick lake]

Her burst is now delayed and Noah blocks her most of the time. Avoid using Cindy against Noah

[keen vapor]

Wait... That means Cindy gets FB buffed?

[quick lake]

Still no FB buff. She just runs into Noah shield now

[keen vapor]

:Alice sus:

[upper grove]

cindy 2nd portion of burst 28.9% always got FB buff. the big 1365% never gets buffed

[fast relic]

I'm not taking her against Noah, this is against a Moran/Biscuit/SAnis team for example

[glad meteor]

But double taunt with moran and helm burst cope

[swift mango]

Correction: Cindy Burst still snap shot but the dev fixed it so snap shot doesn't work on Noah and Noah only.

[upper grove]

interesting good to know

[quick lake]

🚮

[keen vapor]

Balanced thanks SU for making Noah super strong

[swift mango]

Snapshot used to not work against Blanc, Rapu, Jackal linked as well I guess but they just added Noah to the list.

[upper grove]

all teams (including mine) in my lower bracket have cindy, even easier noah food now

[keen vapor]

Can we see the preview? Like, full comps and levels

[quick lake]

Moran Bisc Anis should die to cindy

[fast relic]

Two teams where Cindy failed to kill more than one unit

[quick lake]

[keen vapor]

Maybe you die in the process

[quick lake]

Vid pls. Cindy should kill

Should win 2nd team at least

[fast relic]

I used to win these exact same matches 100% of the time a week ago, but something has gone horribly wrong the past few days

[quick lake]

Looks weird

Should be a win by right, or at least close win/lose

[fast relic]

I don't have anything set up to take a vid currently. Is it possible that someone Cindy is just hitting the same unit 8 times?

[quick lake]

I doubt so

[keen vapor]

For Moran? Is possible

[quick lake]

Hmmmmmmm

[keen vapor]

It is

[upper grove]

moran taunt works vs cindy burst?

[quick lake]

I think… might be new bug/feature

[umbral crown]

[quick lake]

I just check my revent vid, seems taunted

Noah taunted cindy nuke

[umbral crown]

[quick lake]

wtf shiftup

[keen vapor]

Why Noah shield no longer visible

[umbral crown]

Check my video on sp logs, there is one against cindy

[swift mango]

Your team isn't 2rl but 2.5rl or slower Both enemies the are 3rl or faster. Able to catch up to you.

In the second team case though... How was your Cindy investment looks like? Did Noise survive until she burst?

[upper grove]

wut

if all taunts work moran biscuit hard walls that as well

[quick lake]

lemme.. go through my vids again

[keen vapor]

So I was right, he dies in the process

[umbral crown]

Forget that Rheax, they do not burst on mine

[quick lake]

I only have one video that kinda looks like Noah taunted

[swift mango]

Could be his Cindy was never burst or no investment.

[quick lake]

Idk, my potato videos are inconclusive

[quick lake]

Do record a vid if u can next time so we can try to figure out what’s wrong

[swift mango]

Team 1 is surely a lose.

His team could also be 3rl, not 2.5rl if helmT has phase 2 but lv7 skill 1 or lower and he put in no quantum.

And having no CS ofc...

[quick lake]

Weird

[pale knoll]

[swift mango]

Well, we don't know how "exactly same match" look like... Maybe their Scarlet was uninvested and not even linked. Maybe theur jackal died early. Maybe a lucky Crit. Maybe you were putting them under stat deficit before with your high CP, but not anymore.

Need a video or screen when you burst. It's easy to download screen recorder nowadays if you want to learn why it happened and not just complain for the sake of it.

[fast relic]

My team is 2RL. Helm phase 3, 10/10/7

I am trying to learn why it happened - that's why I asked. I don't have time/mechanisms for a video immediately available. Will return when I do

[lone zinc]

Hello, based on the advice here (thank you @shell hazel) I redid my PvP teams as attached

And here is my full unit list including non-syncro

[shell hazel]

more cp!

[lone zinc]

Any further advice?

[shell hazel]

what is the cp per team?

focus basic OL investments on a) the weakest team and b) the the units most likely in firing line (p1)

and intra-team, worth boosting the lowest cp a bit as well for overall CP 🙂

[lone zinc]

1. 223k
2. 199k
3. 312k

[shell hazel]

so yeah team 2 needs some love

[quick lake]

Alternatively, a screen shot of the final dmg numbers would be helpful but vid is best

[lone zinc]

It also seems I do have Noise, OG Rapunzel

[fast relic]

Where can you get that?

[quick lake]

once the match ends, bottom right there is a stats button. can screenshot the dmg numbers

[fast relic]

Got it thank you

[quick lake]

maybe noise died or something

[fast relic]

I notice when that happens lol

[shell hazel]

team 2 boost Moran a bit with upgrades for tankiness, 200K cp feels a bit too low maybe but depends where you are in sp-arena

[swift mango]

So quantum lv7 and something like this? I could easily be lower if you made a mistake and move cubes around. Or just unlucky getting Noir killed early.

[fast relic]

Noir with quantum but yes

[shell hazel]

you could swap out Anis for someone with a lot more CP for now, just gotta check RL speed

[swift mango]

Both team could easily kill Noir before 2rl and make your team slower.

[shell hazel]

Viper treasure makes it still almost 2RL

[fast relic]

She does die early on occasion, but Cindy still bursts before they do

[shell hazel]

2RL with Noah + Centi quantum 7

[fast relic]

Cindy not killing more than 1-2 units is the question

[shell hazel]

damn I am out of it lol no burst 1 😄

[quick lake]

Do update us if u have a vid/screenshot

[fast relic]

I will try try changing noir for someone else to see if that helps though

[swift mango]

Well, if she died after the 2nd RL then you would be already bursting. If she ded before she shot her 4th shot then your team would be 3rl.

[shell hazel]

4RL so it's a bit slow - what other high cp units are we missing?

you might need to sub in for CP for now in places with low CP - getting cp gapped hurts a lot

[lone zinc]

I think OG Rapunzel and Noise are the only other 2 strong PvP units we aren't using at all. I can level anyone I just need team formation first

My levelling has focued on PvE so far

[shell hazel]

of the unused units, who is highest cp?

[swift mango]

What is this team?

And don't add quantum to Moran, add them to Viper or Xmaiden.

[shell hazel]

no it remembers

the quantum cube positions, even if you swap a unit out

which is kind of a pain

[lone zinc]

They're all completely unbuffed, but I have dolls and gear I can level any of them just need the optimal unit

[swift mango]

Just click on it again to discard it....

[shell hazel]

yeah I know but it's like auto adding it lol

is laplace treasured btw?

[lone zinc]

No she is not, only Viper. Swapping Viper for Anis in squad 2 bumps it from 199k to 220k

Total is now 754k

[fast relic]

Of course it worked as expected for the first time in 3 days when I go screenshot lol

[shell hazel]

slow but what does this give you?

[lone zinc]

Bumps from 220k to 259k, total 793k

[swift mango]

Then it's just lucky Crit they killed your noir before she shot her 4th shot and won.

Or you somehow removed the quantum cubes the other day

[shell hazel]

you may need to, for now, until you can invest the other units a bit more

I'd cp gap a 200K team np

236K needed only

[restive heart]

how to defeat this team?

[lone zinc]

If Ice Maiden is better than Naga there I can just bump her and the rest of the team up a bit

[shell hazel]

ice maiden is better gen + no feed etc, she is better here but not for a huge cp loss

[fast relic]

Will keep an eye on it in coming days. Hoping it was just a string of bad RNG. Thank you

[swift mango]

Emi+Blanc+RH+Crown+Jackal

[lone zinc]

Okay. And I guess same with Anis v Viper, Anis is better but CP loss is tough?

[shell hazel]

right

I don't personally want to invest in anis either, not the SR one anyway

I prefer dual use units where I can use in raids + pvp etc, like ice maiden is good in both

or it's pvp only but does something unique

[restive heart]

[swift mango]

your synch level?

[shell hazel]

you need to check what the RL hits are though, as trading CP for speed will hit the RL speeds a bit

[restive heart]

490

oh wait

[swift mango]

Your CP?

[restive heart]

he is at 502 rn nvm

[shell hazel]

being able to burst quickly is a bonus, but if you get cp gapped you just die to normal fire 😄

[restive heart]

990k

[swift mango]

Well, CP mattered more...

[swift mango]

...Your Emi skill level?

[shell hazel]

you're running 990k very close to deficit there

[restive heart]

7-7-7

[swift mango]

Noah and Jackal not ded is a thing but Nosie survived too...

[lone zinc]

Okay, so final groups seems as attached

[harsh echo]

things have quieted down now

[shell hazel]

aim for minimum of 250K per team, should be possible, I have that and 251 sync

boost the weakest team until it's there if you can

[swift mango]

Is your HelmT phase 3 and skill lv7-10?

[restive heart]

10-7-4 phase 3

[glad meteor]

I don’t trust Emi against Noah biscuit anymore

LB diff / doll dr reduction / noise stronk

[swift mango]

Another easy win is

Scarlet+Blanc+RH+HelmT+Jackal....(Scarlet linked ofc)

Hope it works for you...

[lone zinc]

I had someone on Reddit suggest combos like above. What are your thoughts on them?

[restive heart]

did that team alr and nope cant win

[shell hazel]

first comp is scarlet/RH combo without RH

[glad meteor]

Time to invest in double taunt

[swift mango]

Did your scarlet slash got caught by Noah or not caught but can't kill Anis?

[shell hazel]

2nd I think you'd be too low CP your rapunzel/noise not invested enough

[glad meteor]

Biscuit p5 is sus

[shell hazel]

noise taunts you'd usually want her p5

[swift mango]

Or Miranda treasure.

[shell hazel]

so attacks split between p1/p5 and you don't horribly die

[glad meteor]

It still gets divided in to smaller numbers because of jackal

[shell hazel]

splash damage can be a thing hence you normally want enemy attacks to stay away from your centre

I think your s.anis comp is probably better here but you need to invest in some pvp units to support different team styles a bit

[swift mango]

Well , that only make Jackal immune. The rest should ded.

[restive heart]

nope but its just too tanky

[lone zinc]

Sounds good, thank you!

[glad meteor]

It’s enough to lose

[swift mango]

Your scarlet investment? Oh well...

[shell hazel]

think your team 3 being higher CP but also still decent is the right move here, you force them to throw high CP at it or to throw at least a biscuit at it

your SBS / Alice / Crown etc are quite invested may as well use them

where are you in sp-arena atm? I'd wager not top 30 with your CP/sync

probably somewhere 30-100 or so

[lone zinc]

Yes 47

[restive heart]

all 10-10-10
20% atk

[swift mango]

This looks like it could work... Replacing Anis with HelmT ofc....

[restive heart]

did that team alr and still lost

[swift mango]

Then your last option is 5rl Cindy+Rumani+Blanc+Biscuit+Flex

[glad meteor]

Invest in nero moran

[swift mango]

That too

Super stall

[glad meteor]

Is what I’m doing, but still need more materials. Doesn’t help my raid is cooked

[restive heart]

maybe if shift up is generous to give me rumani (did 100 pulls onher banner and didnt get her)

[glad meteor]

Struggling to push 5bil

[swift mango]

A joke team like

Noise+Noah+Quiry+RH+Jackal

Should win it easily.

[swift mango]

How is your Nero and Moran btw....

[restive heart]

0

[shell hazel]

@lone zinc not bad, ideally aim for top 30 if you can, 2k gems per season, if you can sit even 20-30 somewhere all season it's a win

investments into units like Noah / Biscuit / Centi / Jackal will not be wasted if you change your teams as well

they play key roles across various team comps and will be useful no matter what you do

[fast relic]

Is Nero good now?

[shell hazel]

check Keripo pvp tier list for ideas on how some of the units work and why they work: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1R6qzhnPx85kEoYidYUs-K0hJy61APMQGj5nRSgdvRUU/edit?gid=0#gid=0

[fast relic]

With helm

[lone zinc]

Sounds good, thanks!

[shell hazel]

likewise tr Helm is good in various places (and PVE) so again a good investment for longer term, but may find better short term boosts elsewhere

[glad meteor]

Maybe 2RL helm nuke?

If noise sanis linked

[lone zinc]

I think ultra short-term I should level X-maiden and Anis to replace Naga/Viper, and then start focus on the rest. I am chasing Helm+ regardless for campaign yup!

[shell hazel]

I'd more boost units like Noah perhaps

as she gotta tank and not die

[glad meteor]

Noah biscuit helmt redhood jackal

[shell hazel]

but OL chests on the core pvp units is good, if you can do it

[lone zinc]

I have way too much T9M gear problem is no fodder to OL, it's all going to Rapi RH, Maid Mast/Anchor, Asuka2/Rei2 etc. to boost PvE content. But once I am there I will start on the PvP units OL

I gave a doll to Pepper that should help, she also had no gear by accident

[shell hazel]

I had 4/4/4 skills on all units in my teams as well

small thing but helps a bit

[lone zinc]

Good idea

[shell hazel]

focus on the better ones first

you may be too late to really boost teams for this solo raid tbh

[lone zinc]

This time I managed 1.4bln with the above units which is very good for me

[shell hazel]

I pushed mine a bit but only a handful of days left

[lone zinc]

Considering I have no Helm+ yet

But yes it's too late

[shell hazel]

1.4B in total?

[lone zinc]

Yes on challenge. I've never broken 900M

[swift mango]

Well, he needed to upgrade HelmT s3lv7 at least.

[shell hazel]

might be a synergy issue, though you do miss some units

[lone zinc]

Yes without Helm+ I had to put Naga in and ruin my Tia group. And my 5th group is just leftovers

But I am happy with it

[glad meteor]

Should be invested

[shell hazel]

my team 5 was leftovers really but rest done OK, I can best this a bit more

[lone zinc]

Nice!

[shell hazel]

Naga probably needed instead of Helm on that team if no treasure Helm, actually every team needs a healer

[lone zinc]

Shouldn't Crown be in first spot in squad 4?

[shell hazel]

ah yes she should be

but not that it should matter too much

Helm heal is distributed unlike Naga

[lone zinc]

Oh I didn't know that haha

[shell hazel]

reason you Crown p1 is Naga heals left to right

Helm just mini heals all 🙂

[eager mountain]

Well technically p1 taunt is better but usually for the naga heal

[shell hazel]

if you're dying before end timer it's lack of healing OR you're not covering the lazer properly

the lazer if it hits boosts the AOE

[molten lodge]

some teams for defense SP arena?

[lone zinc]

No I just run out of time, or I miss the circles because I wasn't paying attention lol

[shell hazel]

either way, try out my teams if you feel like it, I think 1/2/4 are OK

3 less so but I ran out of good DPS to go with RH 😄

[lone zinc]

Yes I can try, I just need to replace RH and Helm+

[shell hazel]

when sp-arena resets I'll move the cubes about, my maid duo, asuka/rei combo, and mana are all pretty poorly invested

but the heavy MG team with crown still does pretty well

rapi carry 😄

[swift mango]

Try this I guess. Upgrade helmT s3 at least lv7 and as high as possible.

[restive heart]

ill do it at reset. thanks

[glad meteor]

Helm burst get’s taunted by noah

Need to be put in p3

Unless noise taunts

[swift mango]

Well, you could unlink with Rossanna but won't be able to hit if Noise had higher ATK than ASS...

[swift mango]

#pvp-arena message

[glad meteor]

I was thinking noah bisc helm rh jackal, but we lose the b2 buffer

[swift mango]

Could have B2 buffer easily but need RH in too... Jackal burst is rather weak and I doubt he had Jackal s3lv10...

[swift mango]

Try this instead, still 2 RL vs SG.

[restive heart]

[swift mango]

Your Crown and RH should be 101010 no? Max buffing that way.

[restive heart]

yes

[swift mango]

Is your Blanc s3lv10?

[restive heart]

yes

waait lemme check

[swift mango]

If Crown not working your could replace her with Blanc then.

Anyway get your HelmT s3 to lv7 at least

[shell hazel]

my crown is not 10's yet

10/7/8 need more manuals

[glad meteor]

Xanne

[shell hazel]

[glad meteor]

Where my xanne

[swift mango]

The ATK buff is diluted...

[glad meteor]

Overkill

plus no feed

[swift mango]

Well, in the off-chance Noah is linked he could try your team then.

[glad meteor]

Well, there should be no feed in 1rl if we think about it

If noah linked I will be suprised

[swift mango]

Crown is +57% dmg by herself.

Much better than +69% ATK form xAnne if he even had her maxed.

[lusty gull]

xanne p1 is not a good idea

[glad meteor]

Yeah, crown should be fine as long as it goes through

[glad meteor]

noise xanne helmt crown jackal maybe

[swift mango]

Blanc can better to counter max doll and tempering I guess.

+39% dmg taken.

[glad meteor]

Blanc stonks

https://tenor.com/view/cat-jam-stonks-stonk-jam-head-shot-hans-gif-21157324

[jagged sedge]

Blanc is amaze. That invincible perk makes her the best healer imo

[eager mountain]

wrong indom shenanigan

[lone zinc]

I ran your groups and got 1.5bln, although I also failed some of the circles due to the fact that I suck. Also without Helm+ it's stupid to run Helm but I had no alternative. I also should have probably swapped Scarlet with Quency Escape or S.Anis who are high CP for me. But it made the dmg more even across the groups, vs. my own groups which have 2 heavy hitters and the rest are not great. Thanks!

[swift mango]

Now you are just making it a stall team rather than one shot team....

[restive heart]

wrong channel lol

[jagged sedge]

is it daylight savings?

[glad meteor]

Double buffer, could switch noise out, but I don’t want feed

[swift mango]

Feed to Noah?

Team not gonna work if Noah and Noise are linked anyway.

[glad meteor]

Assuming noise and sanis is linked

[swift mango]

Then zero feed nada.

[glad meteor]

They need like 5 feed to be 2RL

[jagged sedge]

Could Maid Anchor be a potentially good in pvp with Cindi? She boosts hp potency and heals.

[glad meteor]

Add quantum only 4, i’d rather make a team that works under all taunt priority and positioning if noise and noah is linked

[lone sequoia]

fake hp doesn't work with cindy

[jagged sedge]

it has to be her actual hp? Ok

[swift mango]

You are thinking about Noah skill 1 giving Regen? I think there has been some misinformation recently around here.... Noah s1 doesn't give any burst gen.

[lone sequoia]

you can still use that unit if you plan to tank some nukes, noiseb1, anchor b2

or add a healer if your units can tank

[jagged sedge]

I was gonna put her in with Moran and Cindi

[glad meteor]

I’m trying to making a team that works as under the condition where it doesn’t matter if noise or noah is p1, why make a comp where if they switch noise and noah it loses when you can make a comp that works under both conditions

But you do you

[lone sequoia]

moran is an anti-nuke unit, anchor could be good in that team and cindy already hit hard, but at higher sync she need 1 buffer to wipe the enemy team, as for synergies and elements, that chain is fine check speed and units position if you want to try that

[restive heart]

bro i just realized

that i still have this

so ill grab rumani XD

[jagged sedge]

Hmm how about Moran, Cindi, Anchor, Biscuit, ice rose maiden?

[lone sequoia]

i claimed tove and this is the only raid i used her, you can keep that item for EoS if you don't need units

[jagged sedge]

Anchor and ice rose would boost cindis damage

Buscuit makes both moran and cindi invincible when their hp gets low

[swift mango]

Unless you compromise with weaker bursting you can't do it. HelmT+RH+Jackal already took all the positions. It's easy to fix if Noise taunt anyway, just put HelmT out to be taunted.

[lone sequoia]

too slow+ cindy p2. if your enemy use RLs, he will get more burst attacking p1~p2

[shell hazel]

I used mine for Blanc, and I still didn't find her by accident

[lone sequoia]

and your b2s can't tank a faster nuke(?

[glad meteor]

Are you saying we can’t make a helmt nuke team that works under both conditions where noise or noah is p1?

[jagged sedge]

hmm maybe add centi in somewhere

[lone sequoia]

if you plan to use moran+biscuit and cindy you can try a slower team and get a b2 defender to proc biscuit S2 before so those units can tank a faster nuke and cindy can skip noah if the enemy try to use her or keep a good speed and biscuit S2 for cindy if you trade b3s

still, you can try the team you want and make adjustments if needed

[jagged sedge]

My moran is pretty well invested, she tanks a ton of dmg

[glad meteor]

Because mari and xanne work as b2 buffers that don’t feed

[jagged sedge]

Def need speed boost, ill swap with centi

theres no good passive healers except Rapunzel

[lunar pawn]

how can I improve this offense?

[pale knoll]

Wanna get 3/3?

[lunar pawn]

2/3 is always fine

remade the team and will try soon in vc

[covert lintel]

i think just change team 3 to fight opponent team 1 and team 1 fight opponent team 3
then change position of rh to p4

[tardy anvil]

[robust lodge]

Anyone able to help me build an optimal team for my Rookie and SP Arena Atk/Def? Would really appreciate the help.
1st row is built, still working on the equipment effects.
2nd row is somewhat built
3rd row is not really invested into at all except a bit into helm and centi.

[tropic summit]

helm treasured? reached s1 lvl 10?

[robust lodge]

working on the treasure unfortunately

[tropic summit]

scarlet blanc rh bsoda jackal
noise centi cind emilia pepper
noah biscuit rapu sbs noir

notes:

-finish building helmT to promote T2 to 2RL or enable a stall team
-consider building la+ to remove some SG feed
-wishlist/build rumani to remove some SG feed

cubes

quantum on jackal, centi
vigor on blanc, rapu, noise, biscuit
temperance on noah
any other nikke run highest lvl cube available

[robust lodge]

thank you so much! but what's la+ ? And sorry to ask, but whats SG feed?

oh laplus

[tropic summit]

-la+ = laplace treasured, an improved version of laplace that gives better burst gen also more off-burst splash damage
-SG feed or Shotgun feed, means shotgun produce a lot of bullets which then makes the enemy jackal more powerful against you, for both synergizing with the enemy scarlet but also to gain more burst gen when being hit

in general you want to avoid using SGs on defense

[robust lodge]

I see. I didnt even consider laplus to be a useful unit so i completely forgot about her

[lyric walrus]

Can you help me put together a team for S. Arena with what I have? My goal is to stay in Diamond 6 or 7 for now.

[tropic summit]

helmT treasured? s10 reached stage 2?
laplace treasured?

[lyric walrus]

treasure at max, but no skills.

[tropic summit]

that's fine, works for burst gen at least

[lyric walrus]

in Helm I do not have his treasure.

[tropic summit]

oke

[tropic summit]

where's your centi, rumani and noah?

[lyric walrus]

I recently upgraded Jackal and Noah who I was told are the queens of pvp.

[tropic summit]

oke for noah, no centi and no rumani down there?

[lyric walrus]

Here is the image of how I have the skills and OL. Wait a moment.

[tropic summit]

s.anis blanc rh laplace jackal
noah biscuit cind drake noise
auto

notes: wishlist/build your batteries to enable a 3rd team that is not CP padded:

centi, rumani, finish helmT, get your teams reviewed then

cubes

quantum on jackal and laplace
vigor on blanc, noise, biscuit
resil on s.anis, s.anis must be at least lvl 9 burst, no ammo OL
rest run highest lvl cube available

[lyric walrus]

ok

Rumani, skills 4 and without overload.

same from Centi

[robust lodge]

Oh btw, what might be the ideal team for rookie PVP or would that be more focused on team comp situational? Defense team?

[lyric walrus]

and Noah OL and skill at 4

[tropic summit]

for rookie rotate between these 3 teams, when one loses change to the other, see which allows you to def better

[lyric walrus]

I use the same team for both attack and defense?

[tropic summit]

those teams are for defense, on attack you tailor the teams based on the opponent

you can use the cindy team against equal speed non-noah teams
you can use the s.anis team against any team on equal speed, although avoid scarlet and mirror indoms

[lyric walrus]

Well, with what I had, I only managed to improve Noah, Jackal and Rumani, but I left them behind.

@tropic summit thanks a lot bro.

I had Biscuit with adjutant cube, is the vigor one better?

[tropic summit]

way better, allows her to live a bit longer, also makes her healing slightly better

[tropic summit]

you welcome

[lyric walrus]

Oh yeah, before I forget, should I reroll Overload?

[keen vapor]

~~I think I should ~~

[dire root]

I held 4th for days, so I suppose it's safe to say those directly bellow me can not move me.

[tropic summit]

doable...

[tropic summit]

on utilities/batteries get 3 lines and be done with it, ideally aim for CS% on rumani, centi, jackal, emilia (17%, if emilia 21%)

[keen vapor]

[tropic summit]

[azure latch]

Should I wait till Helm is maxed on fave item to put her in PVP line up?

[lyric walrus]

ok i'm going to sacrifice the crafting teams to be able to have the units ready today and then i'll see what i do with the reroll. i don't like pvp but i have to keep the gems that's all.

[tropic summit]

well 3 lines aren't mandatory, don't waste too many rocks. 2 are enough

the extra CP helps avoiding being CP padded against

[tropic summit]

you need helmT on s1 lvl10 and stage 2

[azure latch]

this stage 2?

ugh, I forgot about gear too! F*!

well, she'll be ready by next anniversary

[wise horizon]

Would this work? @tropic summit thanks by the way for always giving out advice and such

[tropic summit]

has your opponent gone mad? jackaless scarlet in p1

you're still punished because you lack noah although

contesting T3 will be a pain in the ass because they also kicked it into 2.5RL

[sleek root]

Haha i kinda understand if there's a Rosanna in the comp, though. But...

[upper grove]

my pvp characters get 2 or 3 lines on 1st OL but no charge speed wtf is this

centi just got ele def max ammo

[lone sequoia]

bruh

[lone sequoia]

i still use my +1 year old scarlet without jackal def

[ancient kayak]

tsk

[tropic summit]

let's put ein to work, seems well invested from your box

record match if you can

matchup above assumes you've s10 stage 2 helmT

[patent sail]

so if im using good pvp team against random pve team with high deficit, can i still win?

Like I'm about 200k against 300k pve team

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-jim-halpert-hmm-doubt-it-doubt-it-doubt-gif-20978255

[lone sequoia]

biscuit and rosanna teams can win at high deficit

[shell hazel]

going in at deficit you're asking for too much RNG to help you win

you get immediate stat penalty at 84.6% of the opponent cp

[patent sail]

so pve team best for pvp

[shell hazel]

not necessarily

[lone sequoia]

higher cp is the best def

[shell hazel]

thing is with sp-arena you'd have to spread your pve team across 3 teams and then gg cp padding strat

[patent sail]

i need biscuits

[shell hazel]

[sleek root]

A sagely advice

[shell hazel]

it's true if everyone knows what they're doing and has similar power

but whale some and you can just win with more CP 😄

[sleek root]

So true.. i can never imagine winning on the whale in my bracket, Double my CP

Literally 50% deficit, 90% stat penalty

And im a dolphin...

[tropic summit]

they're sponsoring stellar blade 2 and nikke 2.0

[sleek root]

So true

[dire root]

Wow that team is crazy strong

[wise horizon]

Here’s the recorded match you requested. Ein wins!

[dire root]

it is not even a close fight, my team just melts

oh right 20 level difference, combat power tricked me

Ah it's a whale, makes sense now.

[vapid lake]

for the ppl who wanted more clips of ein's defective drones ignoring cindy heres another 1

literally invisible to the drones until decoy broke

@coarse lake

[glad meteor]

SGs hit hard at low sync. They have 3 of them and level advantage.

They hit hard at high sync too. But units tankier

[shell hazel]

@tropic summit
From / To

[lyric walrus]

@tropic summit So everything was set up.

[jagged sedge]

wow laplace is underrated. Shes good against electric and has decent burst gen

[raven plover]

damn 11 lines centi

[lyric walrus]

that's what i play.

[raven plover]

good CP pad

[umbral crown]

[jagged sedge]

Does anyone have a chart of the top burst generation Nikke's

[raven plover]

https://tenor.com/view/check-the-pins-kowalski-penguin-gif-20219688

[rich quail]

Burst gen calculator in the pins

one of the sheets in the google doc tells you currently who has the most burst gen

All updated with even ReiTN

[lunar pawn]

any tips? I got the general idea of what to build but brain has given up at this hour

[sleek root]

It's the "whale" killer!

[raven plover]

team 1

blanc, emi, sanis, redhood, biskit

use your team 3 for their team 2

[vapid lake]

Hoboman cook

[umbral crown]

[covert lintel]

similar idea
team 3 goes their team 2
team 1 goes their team 3 but change liter to another clip RL
team 2 goes to their team 1

[raven plover]

I always avoid same RL vs emi noah biskit 3 RL because for me its kinda rng for the emi vs noah 1v1 part, maybe cus my emi has only 1 atk OL line

[umbral crown]

Rosanna to kill.emi

And if RH highest atk, Helen deletes her

[raven plover]

he has rosanna build?

[umbral crown]

[umbral crown]

Probably nope

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-jim-halpert-hmm-doubt-it-doubt-it-doubt-gif-20978255

[covert lintel]

that is the best way

[limber rampart]

what going wrong with this how can ein nuke my 2rl team?

[raven plover]

thats helm with treasure?

[limber rampart]

me phase 3 s1 lv 10 maybe he got too

[umbral crown]

Ein my beloved too op

[raven plover]

yea so the only answer is because you dont have any protection against ein nuke, like at all

[umbral crown]

You need at least noah or blanc to survive, you can not face tank ein

[raven plover]

how about using helm nuke

you said yours phase 3

[umbral crown]

Most people will not invest on Helen burst

[raven plover]

probably yea

[umbral crown]

They just happy with S1

Then you use helen against a team where the highest atk is a B1 ( Red Hood ) then once she dies, team not gonna burst

[frank dune]

Recommend team for defence?

[covert lintel]

i never thought copying opponent defense for my defense will make them trip

[lunar pawn]

cheers

[crystal flicker]

Hobo PvP MA

[lunar pawn]

submit the application

[umbral crown]

[limber rampart]

Can this winable?

[keen vapor]

No

[umbral crown]

rude

[umbral crown]

your helm treasured?

[keen vapor]

[umbral crown]

go cook

its your duty

[keen vapor]

Where are the ingredients

[umbral crown]

hidden

waiting for you to go for them

[vapid lake]

Helm is a pve 10/10/10 worthy unit who wouldnt invest in her burst

[umbral crown]

you would be surprised

[vapid lake]

sucks2 be them

[umbral crown]

most just see her as battery

[vapid lake]

I'm running her solo b3 in a meme stall team in rookie arena apparently a lot of ppl dont know how to deal with it

Just laughing every time i click history and see people feeding me points

[umbral crown]

how nice of them

people been avoiding me since like 3 shuffles ago

[vapid lake]

Noone's hitting me anymore

[umbral crown]

[vapid lake]

Theres a funny cycle going on everyday in my bracket

Basically everyone around me between 6 and 1 are hitting each other and for some reason i'm being ignored

Im invisible

[umbral crown]

thought i was the only one

i just go daily, hit some people and thats it

sp the whale just sitting C2 and not attacking, i can finally call this bracket dead

[limber rampart]

yah sure

[umbral crown]

can you share all your nikkes in horizontal mode shorted by power only?

at nikke tab on lobby, in-game settings > nearby > horizonal if on mobile and sort by power only.

follow this steps

[umbral crown]

@keen vapor

[raven plover]

whats their team 1

[umbral crown]

here hobo

[raven plover]

yea its just team 2 and 3

[limber rampart]

cant win noah biscuit cindy 🙉

[raven plover]

team 2

noir, rumani, naga, bunny soda, redhood

team 3

jackal, centi, anis, cindy, helm

whats both team CP

[raven plover]

ok go yolo

[lunar pawn]

new cooking session needed @raven plover

[umbral crown]

interesting teams

hobo sure can cook for you

[limber rampart]

bruh t3 too strong t2 failed

[raven plover]

damn not enough dmg to take sbs down fast

[glad meteor]

She got res’d by mana

I’m thinking of using mana in ca like that

[umbral crown]

mana tricks

[limber rampart]

yeh mana buff op

[raven plover]

yea I was thinking his sg strong enough to take it down before their burst start since its 4 RL

[raven plover]

[umbral crown]

imagine investing on SGs

[glad meteor]

Yeah, that bsoda nuke need to be s1 7, i don’t think it’s invested

[limber rampart]

real i didnt

does bsoda nuke strong in pvp?

[glad meteor]

You have scarlet og. I’d invest in that

[umbral crown]

would you

[glad meteor]

They have rapi b1. With invested scarlet. You can kill rapi pre burst with s2

[glad meteor]

[raven plover]

team 1

noah, biskit, sanis, redhood, emi

team 2

scarlet, blanc, noir, helm, jack

kinda need to check team 2 link tho

just incase your noir is c7 or something

[crystal flicker]

Hobo is Rail alter

[limber rampart]

oh i see another way i will use cp deficit to crush him can this way possible?

[umbral crown]

cindy p1

[lunar pawn]

yea, link will be scar and noir

[raven plover]

I think should be ok

[raven plover]

wait Im blind I didnt see noise

team 2 stays

team 1 move to team 3

[limber rampart]

but there are noah and biscuit

[lunar pawn]

wouldn't xmaiden be better there? or noir just to apply pressure as sg?

[raven plover]

whats maiden buff again I forgor trying to make sure rapun dead from slash

[limber rampart]

my last run this is my last chance

[raven plover]

ok this one I trust since its treasured helm

[lunar pawn]

maiden won't buff, but was thinking more along the lines og burst gen

but, rolling with this, trust

scar died before she ever said hello

[raven plover]

[lunar pawn]

t3 didn't win because I had a gauge at 99% before my next shot

[raven plover]

I fell off

[lunar pawn]

[raven plover]

still tho scar died so fast

[umbral crown]

could have been a nice way to use rosanna

[vapid lake]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Glpcb2kX0AIDa_4.jpg

[umbral crown]

if invested

[vapid lake]

it say thats an RL

[umbral crown]

thats a mg weapon

but RL type

[quick lake]

It means they changed her last minute

[raven plover]

https://tenor.com/view/he-knows-too-much-commander-agent-elvis-he-knows-everything-he-is-overly-knowledgeable-gif-17100119451379156693

[vapid lake]

Clip RL?

?

[coarse lake]

don't get hopes up

[umbral crown]

do not think so

[coarse lake]

probably regular rl with trash/niche pve kit that does basically nothing in pvp

[graceful grotto]

That's mg weapon but RL in the end lol

Am 90% sure she's gonna have trash kit but clip RL

[raven plover]

https://tenor.com/view/howareyou-not-perfect-but-good-gif-9262123

[bleak shale]

im 90% sure its not clip rl

[quick lake]

[bleak shale]

theres only been 2 clip RL since launch 1. jackal and 2. rumani

theres clip-like gen like emilia but not exactly clip

[coarse lake]

best you can cope for is like bay

decent pvp unit

[lunar pawn]

mine is

[raven plover]

https://tenor.com/view/homer-simpson-gif-3411894

[umbral crown]

[glad meteor]

Stronk rapunzel lap+

imagine 100 ele rapu

[swift mango]

Best luck in awhile, only 100 gems.

[swift mango]

I should have rolled my LapT for Ele rather than Charge speed.

Big mistake

[swift mango]

Who needs clip when you could give 15% burst gen directly to their skill?

[swift mango]

We definitely don't need another brick like Bay.

So don't need to cope for it.

[spiral onyx]

B1 RL defender with a Moran/Noise effect plz, kthxbai

[lunar pawn]

[bleak shale]

U know clip is like 2.5x right , adding 15% more of an RL is not even clip sg I'm pretty sure

[quick lake]

Really? I was thinking i should have rolled cs instead of ele

Rosanna investment?

Scarlet Laplace/Emilia Blanc Rosanna Jackal
Noise Centi* Cindy THelm xMaiden*
Noah SBS RH Biscuit Rumani

yepp

Got alot of options to play around tbh

Scarlet Grave Emilia Rosanna Jackal
Noah Centi Cindy THelm Noise
Blanc SBS Biscuit Laplace Rumani
alternatively

just 40L and 444 for CP padding

[swift mango]

15%, as in, add 15% burst gauge per hit, like HelmT.

[swift mango]

And Burst gen of Cindy

[quick lake]

Stop staying bad things about Trina she will be good

[nimble venture]

Guys, I have all the units in the game but am terrible at pvp. What are the best teams for the SP arena? Everyone is mlb+ except for Rouge and Ein. I don't have the Helm treasure yet because rng is killing me with the doll.

[quick lake]

No best teams per se, but can reference these if u need help
#pvp-arena message

@tacit coral If u need pvp team ideas
#pvp-arena message

[nimble venture]

Thank you. I'll look at it

[quick lake]

Updated, oops! thanks for catching

[eager mountain]

faster projectile and likely placed p4/p5 means slightless cs need… and her specific perk is heavy pressure to elec nik… so reasonable ig

[quick lake]

4x ele 4x cs monster Laplace

Rolled away an atk% for more cs on helm

[vapid lake]

[eager mountain]

too much atk on her might be a bad thing for offburst pve usage, buff stealing… tho probably not really that big of an issue

[vapid lake]

i think it fine, alice and sbs will be with maids forever and u won't see MW and helm on the same team

[swift mango]

Hey, Imma top 3% too

[eager mountain]

3cs is enough for helm, 4 is just for 3rl setups, tho helm team really should be 2rl

[vapid lake]

I have tough choice to make on last day of sr

1000 burst manual saved, is it lv 10 rei burst or pve unit

[quick lake]

Yeah, I’ll probably do 3. I cant fish for cs on this piece

[quick lake]

Rei burst is PvP too wdym

[swift mango]

I have nothing saved 443 both reiT and AsukaW. 3 mins fight for 300m dmg.

[vapid lake]

I mean do i lv 10 burst for rei or level other pve unit burst

Like get grave and mast up to burst 10

[jagged sedge]

Should I invest in laplace or Soda bunny?

[vapid lake]

Or choose the pvp memes

[quick lake]

Can probably wait till some info on CA, or last day of SR

[eager mountain]

boda is more for raid and laplace is PvP

[quick lake]

My ReiT has 4x ele. That im gonna roll away after this SR

[jagged sedge]

Pryden has both as SS teir..kinda confusing. I allready have Laplace max item so I'm thinking her.

[eager mountain]

Neither are worth/mandatory they are just plus to specific content.
Only do so if u have invested most others

[quick lake]

Laplace 4/10/1 if u wanna invest skills for pvp, 4x ele/cs/atk

[swift mango]

I probably could try for 4m or more if I OL new wind duo. But I think 3.5m is enough for 10% this time.

[tropic summit]

awesome, good job... defeating this opponent noahless is something else

[quick lake]

BSoda more for SG team, and needs ele% imo (and ammo for pvE)

[jagged sedge]

Good to know. Glad she dosnt take a lot on investment

[tropic summit]

wow it's fixed

[swift mango]

50 rock on Jackal and Scarlet, nothing changed. 4 rock on Rumani her CP improved almost 10%.

This game has bad luck lock FR.

[tropic summit]

looks good

[quick lake]

Rail cooking when he just woke up

[tropic summit]

scarlet didn't even live to 3RL...
as for ein, surprisingly better than expected for single buff

[swift mango]

Is SG team good this raid?

[quick lake]

1B dmg I guess? without T.drake

[eager mountain]

yet another no/bare core boss so sg team thrives

[swift mango]

I saw it, Blanc to heal

[quick lake]

Yeah, Tove Blanc BSoda flex Noir typically

[swift mango]

Not like I have BSoda OL.

Or Tove OL

[eager mountain]

[quick lake]

Skip Tove mald

[eager mountain]

tove is also rather ol intensive for a support, wants ammo

[quick lake]

yeah, ~ 240% ammo 10/10/10

[eager mountain]

sg just expensive yet not destructive but a stable t5

[quick lake]

Just have to wait for sustained dmg comp, or true dmg comp, or 5s burst comp

[eager mountain]

I fear there will be new type of dmg before those comps ever have a single chance

[swift mango]

Like a new true dmg but better.

[swift mango]

1 is just too low.

I guess I will bite it and reset Laplace to recover her burst 3 skill book then up her back to 5105 again...

Rather have my reiA at s3lv10 than lapT

Anyone think that MirandaT could buff Ein burst to 100% Crit?

[crystal flicker]

not enough by herself

[swift mango]

Base Crit is 15%. MirandaT by herself, would burst 1 hit after burst to 100% Crit rate guaranteed

[crystal flicker]

The issue is if Ein burst counted as "1 round"

[swift mango]

That's why I wonder.

Anyway, MirandaT with Snowwhite and MaxwellT looks like good T5 material instead of SG team to me.

She being more usable than Tove in Arena as well.

[crystal flicker]

w full build sw sure

[swift mango]

Both Snowwhite and B.Soda are bricked in Arena anyway.

[vapid lake]

mirandaT buff emi works

[swift mango]

Ofc

Before I thought BSoda like Ein, but it turned out I was misinformed. So B.Soda wipe is trash.

[crystal flicker]

I already said Ein the 🐐

[swift mango]

Ein is also weak anyway.

[crystal flicker]

she's not tank ye

[vapid lake]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/946720097031045161/1348567705552162816/image.png?ex=67cfef0c&is=67ce9d8c&hm=14fe3bbc66b265a0f43361c9fb18957bcbdfa8e013e6e3fe84b6745facec5e31&

Very very very niche kit

She support moran and scar

No ca in patch notes again btw

[pale knoll]

They did release the new chapters at the end of the month

[shell hazel]

guess work on Noah next a bit, I need to see how/where I slot her in once ready

[swift mango]

Only Scarlet then.

[vapid lake]

Soldier eg buffer

[swift mango]

Hard competition with RH

Need to be like 30-40% Crit rate buffer to make a difference.

[shell hazel]

honestly hope she's a skip for now can't build more stuff, not even finished building what I have 😄

[swift mango]

40% Crit rate buffer should be good

Stuff like "double the final Crit rate of Electric AR allies" should be nice.

[thin perch]

Is the new unit Rei or Asuka worth pulling just for pvp?

[shell hazel]

new Rei tn is more of a pvp unit than new Asuka

[thin perch]

I don’t wanna roll for rei unless she’s necessary for the meta

[shell hazel]

I don't think she is

[thin perch]

I rolled for Emilia purely cause she is great in pvp

[shell hazel]

but eva units go and you can't get em again

so that is a factor to consider

I got a copy of all 5 for collection reasons, so far only used new asuka / rei in the solo raid

[atomic wolf]

now vs a week ago

kind of pitiful that people in this sync is desperately building for pvp

well, i BM'd him in his union, two days after he starts rushing sync and hotswapping his PvP build to deal with me

took him a full week to actually repair the damage i've done but now he's bricked in every other mode because he only builds pvp

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1345320789041479788.webp?size=48&name=xd~2

[swift mango]

ReiT gonna replace Cindy soon after Trina replacing RH in Scarlet comp.

[atomic wolf]

it's a 4RL team buddy

unless it hits deficit it kills everyone

oh sorry you're NA

my bad, i underestimated your capability

[atomic wolf]

they're purely for PvE

[vapid lake]

Wind rei is pvp meta

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1177116972593463316/1348124940976525352/GkJNgndaIAAQcq8.png?ex=67cfa430&is=67ce52b0&hm=b92817372f164e1f2acbb9570568860bfc5123e397c3a54d4320802c2e221196&

2nd highest nuke and is instantenous with no delay

[umbral belfry]

[quick lake]

That's it! Single buffer Scar is here

[vapid lake]

How many people do you think in your bracket are crazy enough to have full OL og sakura with 7 in burst to counter her

exactly