pvp-arena

[tropic summit]

try to get jackal some HP through OL then, probably the fastest way

boots/body will do

[grand plaza]

I guess this team become a bit meh tho, I think I should make it 3-4RL team as well if I want it to have a chance

[tropic summit]

too slow team

aim for 4RL with feed and 3RL cindy

that's probably your best atm

another option, weaken cindy team on speed but raise its CP

[grand plaza]

I feel like my OG team were better in the end?

I mean first team become better but second one become too shet now

[grand plaza]

Checking this rn

[tropic summit]

you've gotta find the right balance between CP and speed

attack teams are then tailored based on your opponents

in some cases you may want to 3RL some other 4RL

if anything even losing these battles will be valuable experience to understand how far you can push your own nikke

in reiT example you need just more investiment, the indom link was fine
in the CP pad team, you're unfortunately unable to bypass biscuit, so might consider killing its CP a bit but getting it to 4RL

since opponent was 6RL, could try 4RL or 5RL cindy

an example of what you could try next against that same team

(CP allowing it ofc, you're still dealing with an opponent on 30 levels ahead with likely more gear and investiment)

[grand plaza]

Yeah that was what I somewhat achieved with my og team I think, first team was 4RL which most of the time guarateed win when Cind burst, second one was slower but Jackal was allowing it to survive enough, and with all the buffs Quency burst was wiping everyone clean

[grand plaza]

I really liked this as well, gonna try when I get some tries back. Looks like Rei Ayanami with Indom is working pretty nice

[tropic summit]

yeah, looked good just a tad more investiment and you're there

in general 1/1/7 is enough for reiT

[grand plaza]

Right now with units I have and how invested I am, I don't have many choices but yeah, all of this is experience for now. For example this Rei indom combo is much more stronger than I expected. Yeah it lost but she almost killed 3 of them by herself

[quick lake]

I still need to roll atk and crit on ReiT maybe

[tropic summit]

the best part, she's not even close to her best output

lot of room to grow there

keep in mind she was also on 10%+ deficit

[quick lake]

Tbh, focus on campaign team until sync ~250

[grand plaza]

I will make her 7 4 7 probably since I don't have any wind dps other than Asuka-Rei duo. Looks like worth it either way tho 👍

[tropic summit]

as rheax said, pve campaign team first tho

keep it as a side thing

[grand plaza]

Yeah currently I will make Quency 7 10 8 (or 7 10 10) as she is main main dps for story. Then supports to 7 7 7, then we will see depends on drops I guess

[quick lake]

Quency decent pvp too

10/4/10 Alice, 4x atk 3x ammo 2x cs and then

[grand plaza]

Currently 10 4 10 Alice with those Trying to drop her shoes for weeks -_-

Sadly I can't reach lvl3 on anomaly tho

I reach like 2.8-9

[quick lake]

Damn, those are good rolls

U’ll still be using Alice in ch30-36 hard mode. So investing in well, once and for all is great

[grand plaza]

Yeah I definitely don't regret investing on her at all

It feels great when you reach end of the stage and start blasting the boss while ignoring everyone else lol

I reached here at 160 wall thanks to that

Doesn't help aganst 23-34 boss tho

[grand plaza]

Small question, would replacing Drake with PrivMaid would worth 3k cp loss?

Almost reaches 3.5RL with it

Actually it does reach 3.5 rl probably, since I have Quantum3 on Jackal

[tropic summit]

pretty huge difference

from a 3RL with feed, to a 4RL with maybe a chance to hit 3.5RL on heavy feed

i'd stick with the drake one

get centi, rumani, noah or noir, you badly need batteries

push for helmT once you can

[frail torrent]

who do I use in SP arena?

[tropic summit]

have you cleared 11-13?

(normal campaign)

[quick lake]

At ur sync, better to just focus on campaign

[grand plaza]

I am ready for her

The only issue is getting 2 more copies of her

And SR15 doll ofc

[tropic summit]

naga marciana bsoda pepper mana
centi privaty rosanna dkw anis
auto

[tropic summit]

oh wow

jinn doing pretty damn well so far

break through that wall and you're set

[grand plaza]

I made my research lol 🤓

[frail torrent]

yes

[jagged sedge]

I have a guy guarding his #2 spot 24/7. He has wasted about 800 gems so far.

[grand plaza]

Just past it lol, didn't know you could iframe them

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJgQw8WKBLY

[dire root]

Modernia? I thought her burst fell off in high deficits.

or is she just there for hit rate

[pale knoll]

She can be used in high deficits, there are just more alternatives now, due to rrh being better b1 than liter etc

[fathom rock]

@tropic summit scar/cindy/bay/noise/jack do i shoot my shot with rrh indom

[crystal flicker]

Why RRH

[fathom rock]

I see lots of rrh weak enemies

And its bay, dont wanna end up like last time cindy nuke lost to her bc lack of dmg

[crystal flicker]

Noise though

I wont use RH against that coz too many feed

[tropic summit]

hmmmmmmmmmm

[fathom rock]

Do i gamble 2rl cindy then

[tropic summit]

it doesn't sound too bad as long as your feed doesn't kick them into lower than 3RL

considering they're only 65 gen for 2.5RL, i don't think you'd kick them that far

but it will be definitly 3RL

[crystal flicker]

Counter tho

[tropic summit]

yeah those are gonna hurt

might aswell just run SBS no?

[fathom rock]

Wont noise taunt rrh and therefore feed is low cuz link with scar and cind

[tropic summit]

🤔

feedless 3RL SBS double buff

against a non-biscuit team, should hurt

[crystal flicker]

What if he's link with NOise

[fathom rock]

Can add helmeT and make it triple buff

[tropic summit]

yep

if anything it's worth a shot on how much DPS that dishes out

[fathom rock]

With helmeT and p2 cindy can it hit 2rl

[tropic summit]

this is on 14%deficit, single buff

enemy team has noise aswell, but no jackal

the jackal + bay + noise combo is gonna be much stronger

although you're running on triple buff

damage gonna go

alternatively could consider just nuking link

bursting with HelmT on double buff, that's gonna delete jackal and linked

[crystal flicker]

Rosannna always there

[raven plover]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1113518275679228044/1113810828949463132/Rosannas_Insane_Ass_Jiggle.gif?ex=67cd8dab&is=67cc3c2b&hm=f244224f97d4bf25ae7e2035ef2bfc7b111d8aaf228ba749d1336bd860c74b5b&

[swift mango]

I remember you also stuck at Motherwhale less than a month ago.

[tropic summit]

that took a week indeed

[covert lintel]

why stuck at mw
just doro it

[swift mango]

Probably not real

[swift mango]

Count your RL units burst in 2RL separately, then multiple it by 1.25. Add the difference to the full team in 2rl to see if it reaches 100%.

[strong hull]

He stacking 100m core dust

Gonna cashout at 200 lv+

[tropic summit]

back on the throne

2 months more and maybe you'll get competition with next reshuffle? else there's theoretical CA near end of this month

give yourself an handicap, 2 proper teams 1 blue team

that way opponent can commit on a single team

if they can't still win then,

[umbral crown]

[quick lake]

[umbral crown]

Imagine 25-36

[umbral crown]

Ola amigo

[tropic summit]

26-25 struggle atm

[umbral crown]

Me at 18-1

[tropic summit]

35% deficit is something else

[umbral crown]

900k

[tropic summit]

although it's again just RNG, need a good run where i do everything perfect

[umbral crown]

Oh but rail 361

[tropic summit]

can't miss a shot and it's doable

aye

[umbral crown]

I do want to live the dream

[tropic summit]

got so close in one the runs but RH obviously got killed at the last tick

that's what saturday is for:

-food
-sleep
-do nothing productive
-maybe, occasionally, when really have to, go touch grass

[whole shell]

Real

[umbral crown]

Si

[umbral crown]

This after work

[tropic summit]

working on saturday again?

[umbral crown]

Always, till 5 pm

Whale sleeping

[tropic summit]

well that was the idea

[swift mango]

Only 2 more level and I would be saved from malding MW.

Centi treasure when?

[umbral crown]

You shoul be 1.8 already uwu

[umbral crown]

@swift mango

Showing the world the units they love

[swift mango]

@spare brook

[swift mango]

Rem was actually my first unit to get an OL.

[upper grove]

who was getting hit again if 2 taunters, e.g. noise and noah hit enemies? slower unit taunts right?

[swift mango]

The one whose bullet hit later.

[upper grove]

thought so projectiles have the same speed I guess

[swift mango]

People said, Noah's is a tiny bit faster. But if Noise has more CS you could ignore it.

[covert lintel]

@swift mango

[digital fractal]

does anyone have sample teams for special arena

one without scarlet lol

thank you

[umbral belfry]

When did you guys start leveling your OL gear? or should I keep OLing my t9m gear for batteries?

[swift mango]

When I feel like I could use that CP for Campaign even a little.

[umbral belfry]

232, ive just been raising my batteries

I'm at ch 30 a little stuck rn so I'm just

wait why those only?

Ahh

okay dok, ty ty!

[quiet fiber]

What team should I use on this match up?

[keen vapor]

I just got to chapter 24

that guy from yesterday had C6 Nihilister

[strong hull]

[keen vapor]

NO, I'M NOT GOING TO THE BASEMENT

[warm monolith]

If its possible can someone suggest me 3 teams for pvp? Both atk and def if possible,i only have helm favorite item

[strong hull]

[keen vapor]

Attack depends on the target

[strong hull]

Whopping time

[keen vapor]

[warm monolith]

If possible defense?

[strong hull]

You give loyalty, to me.

[keen vapor]

Why people can't show their targets

[strong hull]

[warm monolith]

Not a problem,pls atk too

[warm monolith]

Its changing

[keen vapor]

NO

[warm monolith]

Enemy:D wife/Blanc/Noir/Alice/Tia
Volume/naga/maxwell/priv/alice bunny
Tove/Diesel/Scarlet/Cindy/Rapu

[pale knoll]

3rl noah sanis

[keen vapor]

You're having problem with those?

[whole shell]

Bro these teams are fkking garbage

[warm monolith]

Can you give me a team that can defeat scarlet? It just goes whoop

[whole shell]

Best they're doing with those teams is cp padding

[warm monolith]

If possible what teams i can do to defeat scarlet? And also two very good teams that i can form to defeat at least great amount of players in pvp

[whole shell]

The first team you literally just have to kill dkw to cripple it

Same for second team

Third team just idk a cookie cutter pvp team with the units you have

[whole shell]

There isn't a "one and done" attack team

[keen vapor]

Yup
@warm monolith you'll need to invest your PVP units

[whole shell]

Again, it all depends on who you're fighting

[warm monolith]

Okay

[whole shell]

Give me a second to cook

[keen vapor]

Woah Helm treasure

[warm monolith]

I was helm fan and i already had cb3,it was a good thing i we get fav item🙂

[whole shell]

No jackal? Oof

[warm monolith]

I wish the same for bay

[warm monolith]

I have

Just low cp

[whole shell]

Oh I see her head peeking out now

[keen vapor]

INVEST

[warm monolith]

Cook it my friend

[whole shell]

Last team scarlet/jackal and fill with high cp units

[warm monolith]

Skills ? Theyre 4/4/4 now

[whole shell]

It has the most auto weapons so scar/jack feed will push it to high rl and annihilate them

Other teams will take a bit

[warm monolith]

For atk right

[keen vapor]

Overloads and doll even

[warm monolith]

I dont have any leftover gem

Her skills: 4/4/4 to 7/7/6 i will continue to upgrade her gears once i get more materials🫡

Should i put ein or jackal on missilis wishlist

[keen vapor]

HOW DARE YOU
HOW YOU EVEN PUT LEVEL 1 NIKKES!
YOU.... YOU!

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/946720097031045161/1297132224541364246/kisama.mp4?ex=675763c5&is=67561245&hm=75448ce1e766fdbdf153671138ba7ff0ba79d5642bbf4f34dd6c067de52a2a93&

[unique mountain]

Does anyone else shake their face during each kisama

[strong hull]

[dire root]

Man I grow to hate blanc with a passion.

you just need to instantly kill the team or else they become immune for like 5 hours in PvP time

[unique mountain]

[dire root]

it might as well be 5 hours of immunity

[warm monolith]

Same for me but for noah

[dire root]

At least noah ends

[unique mountain]

[quiet fiber]

Would this work?

[dire root]

Blanc seems to last ages, she doesn't even have a cool shield

[warm monolith]

She is just annoying tbh

[dire root]

Red hood or SBS as burst III? I'm unsure.

[lunar pawn]

no

[pale knoll]

I don't know if rosanna will have enough dps to nuke rh, if she does you won't burst

[unique mountain]

Why am i in pvp channel

[pale knoll]

Can just use another b1 non attacker

[lapis field]

When you lose 2 already in RA, don't do kamikaze yourself on to one person only you semi whaler guy

[lunar pawn]

maybe he's testing teams

[warm monolith]

For campaign im using sbs/alice/crown/naga/liter should i replave liter with rapirh?

[keen vapor]

YOU HAVE ROOKIE ARENA

[lunar pawn]

rookie arena is only meant for testing teams mostly

[keen vapor]

Yes

[dire root]

Well they aren't going to die, unless I drop a atomic bomb on them that does a billion damage 5 seconds into the fight.

[lapis field]

For this guy, I don't think he's just testing me. I just copied his lineup but I changed 1 nikke of mine then it goes berserk on me

[dire root]

blanc and biscuit, what a nasty combo.

[keen vapor]

Do
Noah Anis RH Rumani positions

[warm monolith]

Bay and biscuit better?

[lapis field]

He's been like that when I'm at 2nd til I change 1 nikke then I got 1st now

[dire root]

Noah kept dying in P1 so I used Rumani in P1.

[keen vapor]

Yeah.... She needs SR doll and tempering cube :deadge:

[dire root]

No SR doll, I could give her a R doll and upgrade it a little, but not sure if that would be wise to use on a primary PvP unit. I do currently use her in campaign since my burst II rooster is pretty bricked atm.

I'm unsure of how to counter a blanc biscuit team without having a lightning fast burst gen with a extremely high damage nuke.

if blanc burst skill goes off the fight is pretty much lost.

it may not even be possible to get rid of blanc realistically with biscuits protection.

[quiet fiber]

The team work. Thanks for the suggestion

[pale knoll]

[keen vapor]

Bud, I did give R doll and maxed it to every RL unit I use for PVP :pepeh:

I also have only one treasure unit

[lunar pawn]

at least you're challenger 1

[keen vapor]

Challenger 9

[dire root]

Yeah I just need to refuse to fight any team with blanc, she is far stronger then cindy.

I can counter cindy but her making units immune to everything turns every fight into their favor

[lunar pawn]

where's the return of investment

[keen vapor]

those whales

[tardy canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-we-one-gif-18212100

[tardy canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/wallet-money-travolta-gif-12741841

[chrome vortex]

Best PVP team I can do ?

[dire root]

Spending gems on attempts seems like it would be bad investment. The bracket rewards in the top 10 only shift by 300 gems. So you are gambling a hundred gems to try to make 200 gems?

and if you are struggling to rank top 11 to 30 buying attempts won't do you much good.

[tropic summit]

echo maldin'

next up 25 and 26, lots of fun, trust me

put jackal, blanc and pmaid in synchro: @chrome vortex

raise them to 4/4/4, focus anyway on campaign team (liter, RH are gonna be investiment targets)

[chrome vortex]

ok thanks

[wise horizon]

those people are just spending gems for their own pride because they dont want to lose. its bad investment for spending gems

[tropic summit]

don't need to make it sound complicated, it's just e-peen

people with weak control of their money generally have a massive one of those

following impulses to just waste resources? i wouldn't call it know what they doing, but i get your point

yeah this is on point

just like enjoying a consumable of sort (smoke, dinner, icecream etc)

mhm agreed

now if only we could get a specific bracket to group them all together, imagine the amount of daily gemming

[eager mountain]

inevitable
thats how gacha stonks

[shell hazel]

value of gems to one person can differ greatly to another tbh

I won't burn them for fun but some people just buy more when they run out without thinking too much about it

it's why I wipe out twice per day (once free + once 50 gems) and I'll also re-roll the bulletins once as well

[eager mountain]

if u have trillions cash, gem worth nothing to u, only time worth, and they aint spending time to learn the pvp

[shell hazel]

these kinds of people will just buy levels to win anyway

[eager mountain]

wealthy ppl/kids are way more common then i thought, thats what gacha taught me

[tropic summit]

moderation is good approach

[tropic summit]

[shell hazel]

but to me the value isn't there to spend them on stupid things

[eager mountain]

game just crushed on mobile without me clicking anything i was just chatting here whiles the games idle on home page

[shell hazel]

to someone else, re-roll bulletins for 500 gems each day is worth it

[tropic summit]

it depends on the whale, but i guess those who've a head on their shoulder don't have anything to worry about, it's those with weak money control that worry me in these games, then again... natural selection

[tropic summit]

seems like a skill wise

if CA is level locked you gonna see some whales getting fairly
imagine suddenly needing to know what a nikke does to win a fight

[shell hazel]

sad truth is some people are just born with unlimited money almost and to them the value is nothing on throwing it away

I have to work for mine, I'll spend it, but there is a cost

[eager mountain]

ye, just more opportunity cost for them to learn, consider their time is way more valuable then others since they can easily buy others, lol

[tropic summit]

at the end of the day, if anything, the game allowing these practices is the root cause anyway

then it varies on people having a head on their shoulders or not

to distinguish scams and control impulses

[shell hazel]

if you get handed money for no work and you can't realistically spend it, you'll just waste it on dumb stuff

[tropic summit]

even more so if never educated on the value of it in the first place

[eager mountain]

@tropic summit see u gonna charge for cooking and teaching here

[tropic summit]

ah yes, gonna have to open a business oi

iirc some lad yesterday was talking about paying ppl who cooked their teams

yeah that should be within their freedom

again, natural selection at that point

hopefully some ppl aren't spending more than they can afford on those dumb stuff

[shell hazel]

some people will though I wouldn't want to take money for helping people out. just helping out in general how people helped me (I do a fair bit in #team-building )

but for some people chucking cash at someone to help them for 30 mins is worth the cost

[tropic summit]

you got scammed, promised hope and dreams, yet gathering dust on that throne

[tropic summit]

good ol' Hippo, what a nice soul

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/overlord-gif-26103545

[tropic summit]

hold up

better not go on a genocide spree

[eager mountain]

u hoping modern ppl having any knowledge of saving and spending? nah
they gonna subscribe to 69 monthly services, daily gift to 60 streamers, uber every meal, and then complain their wage is too low

we are cooked

[shell hazel]

I work like Railtracer I think, I just help when I want to and not to feel obligated to doing it 🙂

[tropic summit]

69

[eager mountain]

and everything turning into monthly service means u dont own anything, and yet those monthly payments aint cheap either, in fact they getting more expensive despite business cutting staffs and costs thx to AI

[shell hazel]

Rail - SR-10 on SBS 🙂

[tropic summit]

you mean the world is going further down to 💩 ?
where's my dystopian future a la cyberpunk

[tropic summit]

soon you gonna be making a ton of rocks thanks to SBS, give her some elem atk

[shell hazel]

I need to roll ele on her but it's not arriving

[tropic summit]

make it arrive faster, by praying to RNGesus

[shell hazel]

pray for me

[eager mountain]

modern company also runs based on ideology instead of efficiency anyway thats some like twitch werent event revenuing despite they really shouldve.
not gonna elaborate that part

[shell hazel]

no re-roll even

[tropic summit]

still running those blue teams right?

surely after reset someone will hit

[shell hazel]

like 4 ish

across all things

[eager mountain]

not even reroll gets u 4 star, quite rare, im mostly rerolling for normal lines cuz of that

[shell hazel]

my previous days not been like this

[pale knoll]

Running full auto kraken is life changing

[shell hazel]

think it's been a bit since I even saw an orange kit

even with re-rolling

[tropic summit]

saving on those 2 minutes a day

[pale knoll]

Feels real nice

[eager mountain]

rerolled 5 star mat + 60gems + 5hr credit as i said that

[shell hazel]

want to roll Ele on the gloves next I think

lock atk % and try and add ele

boots line 2 is actually line 3, blabla bugged

^ SBS

[eager mountain]

sbs lines should start from having one of atk/elem for 2nd/3rd line for every gear

given ur progress

[shell hazel]

I haven't locked anything this is just the garbage I had so far

bunch of rocks into the Doro machine

https://tenor.com/view/doro-eat-ticket-summon-dorothy-gif-6254959793726031037

[eager mountain]

those who have semi decent lines before AI cant afford rerolling already decent lines and thus live with it

[shell hazel]

I'm OK with decent just need ele

keep rolling ammo

[eager mountain]

this is not decent tho

[shell hazel]

example

and next roll

I am aware it's not decent but this is 8 rocks now and no ele at all

[pale knoll]

At least you already have attack 3rd line

[tropic summit]

rock RNG PTSD

[shell hazel]

yeah this is just a game of re-rolling with the rocks until I get OK lines

I'm actually not going nuts for perfection but this is easily 20-30 rocks and I saw ele 2/3 times, and only line 1

the only ele I have is a line 1 13% odd, because that is how much RNG loves my rolls 😄

[eager mountain]

2*9/1.5
average of getting 1 elem there, 12 rocks

[shell hazel]

some guy rocks up and rolls once and gets ele, meanwhile I farm for 2-3 weeks to do the same

well I'm well below average luck lately on most things tbh

4% SSR? 2% for me

200 blue mats to get Blanc doll to R-5

280 rolls for a single Rapi etc

[tropic summit]

yeah you're getting kind of screwed from RNG

although statistically it should balance out at some point

hopefully... maybe...

[shell hazel]

it took 8 rolls to add anything to line 2 for a rapi bit of gear, 50% odds

[tropic summit]

[shell hazel]

7 failed 50% rolls in a row

24 or so rocks

average luck is like 2-3 tries maybe

[eager mountain]

not enough gold ticket for rapi? u shouldve just gold it anyway with tickets u get from her banner

[shell hazel]

I did

I had to gold ticket her 3 times lol

my plan was to get a copy within first 1-200 tops, and gold ticket MLB, then luck was like nah, screw you

[eager mountain]

if ur trying to lb a pilgrim thats another story

[shell hazel]

well I had enough pulls, 1 every 100 copies is average

3 x avg to get a single one

I was planning to ticket most of them but wanted one to save mileage a bit

[eager mountain]

with pilgrim banner u shouldve been saving rocks not tickets

[shell hazel]

just pointing out luck is extremly variable

[eager mountain]

just dont mlb pilgrim unless u have a truckload of savings

[shell hazel]

one guy takes a single rock and gets god rolls, another takes 100 rocks for same result

I find in games of chance I have to brute force luck

because if the odds stack against me I'm screwed 😄

[pale knoll]

It's just all luck

[eager mountain]

the "newcomer buff"

[shell hazel]

I was playing first descendent with some friends, like 30% chance of some short raid thing dropping an item I needed, we all ran it

my friend had it 5 x meanwhile 20 tries later I had 0 😄

they can adjust anything they want server side, numbers in computers aren't really truly random

i'll keep pushing rocks onto SBS anyway as my other units are OK, I can afford to pause and improve her stats a bit

[pale knoll]

Ahead of the curve in what sense?

[shell hazel]

ahead of most other players who started near you

[pale knoll]

So a spender

[shell hazel]

I started with Cindy banner in November, probably 99% of people who started near me didn't progress as much as I did

I don't really attribute much of this to spending, I started on re-roll with 2 x Cindy + 1 x RH

Crown I got on random 10 x ordinary pull around chap 22-23 or so

[pale knoll]

Very lucky

[shell hazel]

well, re-roll I did 5 times

60-70 pulls on anni

[pale knoll]

Just balancing out

[shell hazel]

cindy banner was up, so it wasn't a huge leap to get a decent start with multiple tries

[tropic summit]

a very good starting account, following a lucky crown find, that's pretty damn good

stars aligned there if anything

[shell hazel]

yeah am happy with my units etc

[pale knoll]

Yeah, I wouldn't complain much with that start and everything honestly.

You get people that go a year+ without a vital pilgrim

[tropic summit]

rock RNG is still 💩 regardless, ppl spending 1-2 weeks farming kraken then seeing it all fly out of the windows on gaining nothing out of it would piss off anyone i think

regardless of it being luck or not, ofc

[pale knoll]

Me with no noah on my 2nd account and it's been 1.5 years i think

[shell hazel]

I don't mind rock RNG as such just wish they were a bit more plentiful

[tropic summit]

by the gods

[shell hazel]

not like 2 x as many rocks, but less days of 0

[pale knoll]

Just gotta cope with it

She makes things very easy on my other account. Never really lose attacks

[tropic summit]

that's what happens when you put

-battery
-tank
-defense buff
-defender
-anti nuke
-invulnerability whole team for 3s
-taunt

in the same nikke

[pale knoll]

Nah, a new player ain't ever catching up unless they swipe

[pale knoll]

Became worse with the fix to her burst gen

[shell hazel]

I was OK with starting without Crown you gotta go from something right?

I ran with Grave for 20 odd chapters before she showed up 😄

[pale knoll]

Well, as if 2 cindies and 1 rh isn't enough already lmao

[shell hazel]

can't re-roll forever gets boring, I just wanted OK start

[tropic summit]

still remember that scarlet grave rh centi jackal team because of that

or was it liter and xmaiden

[shell hazel]

no I know that now but obv I wasn't familiar with the game then

[shell hazel]

for mine?

for arena or campaign?

[tropic summit]

arena

[shell hazel]

I probably just auto it ;D

[tropic summit]

auto and wish for the best [c] Helen

[shell hazel]

haha

I was still doing OK I think was just down to breaking 160 wall (which I planned for)

and higher cp than the people who started around me due to campaign 🙂

[tropic summit]

rewarded by progression and starting account

effort and time invested paid off

how many hours wasted rerolling btw?

[shell hazel]

not many I rolled 5 times

[tropic summit]

oh noice

[shell hazel]

60-70 rolls on anni made it easier than now

knowing me I ran it whilst I was working

[tropic summit]

multitasking for efficiency

[shell hazel]

hell yeah!

[tropic summit]

having a job that allows smartworking sure comes in handy if anything, albeit it still steals a lot of time

[shell hazel]

I always min/max

I just have 1 grave was enough 😄

I was stuck there for a small time nothing insane

[tropic summit]

took me a month for the wall 🤔

although with the addition of support nikke back then i could still progress when using them accordingly

[shell hazel]

week or two but we had free rapunzel MLB

I kind of wish I got a smol white copy, oh well

I went all in for free MLB rapu

[umbral crown]

Waos, mine does not even have t9m lv5

[tropic summit]

today sure was productive 🤨

[covert lintel]

same, even though my chars mostly are for pvp

[white compass]

YES I maxed Helm purp doll and fav item today. What to do with sp def teams?

[tropic summit]

oh you running 2 stall teams

[white compass]

Idk what I'm doing. All I know is it's been enough to stay in diamond 3... Lol

[tropic summit]

that T2 is your main problem

T1 and T3 aren't off too bad

removing noir SG feed would also help

[white compass]

Plant seeds far and wide get higher chance at harvest

Get ignored sometimes. One server, less replies.

[tropic summit]

do you've laplace treasured?

[white compass]

Nope. Not even close. I was wondering if I should go drake or lap next

[tropic summit]

mhm go for la+

[white compass]

Helm is my first fav item. Only managed today. Cause Rapi took forever to hit lvl15

[tropic summit]

you need to reduce SG feed as those help enemy scarlet a lot

[white compass]

My nikkes rn. Missing Centi and like 4 others

[tropic summit]

as a direct upgrade you can remove SBS and place helmT, that team becomes full stall with jackal link counter

does emi have 21% CS?

[white compass]

Yeah also took way too long lol

But I got it... Had to lvl S1 or whichever gave small cs amt

[pale knoll]

I just realised my xmaiden is sr15

[tropic summit]

can upgrade to this, the noir circled red try to replace it with la+, ensure la+ will not have more atk% than scarlet tho, else you'll unlink her

give it a shot

[white compass]

Hmm okay but lap pretty uninvested rn. Besides me having enough spare bodies to mlb. She's pretty new to my squad I just happened to get spare bodies back to back to back. Still do lap?

[tropic summit]

nono you replace noir when la+ is well invested and treasured

[white compass]

Doll prob blue rn

Oh ok lol

[tropic summit]

just telling you ahead of time to work toward that

right now it would just kill that lineup

[white compass]

So even factoring pve usage still lap over drake?

[tropic summit]

up to you

if your priority is PvE and SR in particolar, go drake
if you want to improve PvP go for la+

[crystal flicker]

La+ should provide more cp

[white compass]

I don't have SG team built very much outside of req skill lvls I can hit Whenever

[tropic summit]

then could la+

[crystal flicker]

UNless you're using Dr+

Dr. Ake

[tropic summit]

Dr.Ache

[white compass]

Lol I didn't even see that reply 😅

Poor noir...

[tropic summit]

well, as long as it helps someone

doesn't matter where he gets to read it

[whole shell]

Is anything interesting happening

[tropic summit]

ppl sleeping hard in that bracket

either that or the trauma you placed upon them is too deep

not even better numbers make them motivated

[shell hazel]

I am certain if I placed level 1 def teams I'd be dropping position within a few hours tops 😄

you don't want to wake up to crickets inside

would be scary

[white compass]

Thanks for the tips. Time to switch gears and go Pokemon go hunting for pink fuecoco

[sleek root]

Does cindy need a buff from fellow nikke to nuke wipe? Or she's not enough and need buff from, Blanc or other b2

[tropic summit]

in general cindy can use a single buff at least, to ensure it's lethal, although can be run without if you're on 10/x/10 SR15 OL gear

keep in mind if enemy has got noise or any other def increase and/or sustain, you want at least 1 buff

[sleek root]

Yea i am

I guess HelmT s2 buff atk dmg is good enough then

[tropic summit]

ye that would do

[sleek root]

Got myself a stalker

[tropic summit]

that's a lot of tries

hopefully it was worth it for them...

[sleek root]

I'm literally 50syncro higher... wish he gave up ad, and leave me alone. or... better attack ch1, Lower syncro then me...

@tropic summit Don't help him if he came here asking how to beat my defense

[crystal flicker]

Prob he's also watame fan and want to keep her for himself

[umbral belfry]

soon...

[crystal flicker]

It'll take few weeks

[umbral belfry]

Don't jinx it

[umbral belfry]

whatcha waiting for

[sleek root]

SR 15 it? Honestly its not about time.. its more about luck/RNG, wish you GL!

[crystal flicker]

SR10 to SR15 is pain

[umbral belfry]

Oh I know

[crystal flicker]

I'm saving gold kit for that

[umbral belfry]

but surely super success comes sooner than my last 2

2 times at SR14

[sleek root]

I tend to use Purple for SR5~10, The Gold for SR10~15

[umbral belfry]

Solo raid don't let us down now

[whole shell]

Usually no, but one buffer pretty much guarantees

2 buffer is, well

You know

[crystal flicker]

another acc

[umbral belfry]

oof

[whole shell]

Rip

[umbral crown]

Bro is cooking, soon you gonna lose

[sleek root]

He's been cooking for 9 days

[umbral crown]

Auto and hooe for the best

[umbral crown]

Its a sigm

Sometimes food takes longer than expected

[sleek root]

The problem is, he's getting worst. At least before this, he won a few times.

[tropic summit]

i doubt any chinese player would use this discord, if anything

we surely have lurkers if anything

[umbral crown]

It happened to me when i was fightin the whale 72 levels more than me. After lot of tries i found the cirrect teams

[tropic summit]

72 levels

[sleek root]

I'll get back to you in a week or two

[umbral crown]

But weird thing is he has not attacked me yet

Probably cooking something good

[sleek root]

Or maybe couldn't be bothered?

[umbral crown]

Nah he is cooking

[tropic summit]

got stuck in the fridge

[umbral crown]

First time i beat him took him 2 days to attack back and he had new defense that put me in deficit and took me a while to be in range

Will hope new teams coming so i can have some action

[tropic summit]

ok i call this progress, i finally got to see the stage boss

26-25 is not for the faint of heart

[sleek root]

Im more curious if the guy an actual whale or just a casual spender. 75 syncro only? Whales in my bracket is 100+ synco with max all of his Nikke. Fighting the guy put me in 30-40% stat penalty. I literally got kill by normal attacks

[tropic summit]

CA copium for anti whale

[sleek root]

Got screen shot of his account n nikkes?

[umbral crown]

He is a whale, he is 408 and im 336. He has max core units and good stuff

There are many types of whales

[sleek root]

I'll take your word for it

[umbral crown]

[sleek root]

While the whale in my bracket has double the CP of everyone, me included

[umbral crown]

Thats a kraken

Try to kill it, maybe it gives rocks

[sleek root]

When CA come, u can try to defeat it, cook something

[umbral crown]

I will for sure

If we lock 400 things gonna be interesting

[sleek root]

Heh if its 400syncro lock, it'll just be about who can spend gems more for attempts.

[umbral crown]

Not just gems, cooking skills, knowlegde + investment

Here i do not think people gonna build teams for everyone

[sleek root]

Wont matter to a kraken haha. He'll just attack back n win, untill the other guy free attempt is gone

[umbral crown]

But depends if the boi can cook good teams

[sleek root]

Seeing how even in SP theres people tahts not even kraken spending gems

[umbral crown]

To get 10 units SRs and Rs people prefer to spend gems, thats how i see it

[sleek root]

Ahh~ let me guess, you spend gems in SP for extra attempts?

[cunning steppe]

Just got THelm so want to update my team

[sleek root]

Gratz!

[shell hazel]

we're not yet sure if CA allows extra attempts

[cunning steppe]

Anne also build just not sync

[sleek root]

SU not gonna milk us in pvp, where emotion run high~? Thats nice of them

[shell hazel]

they mentioned tournament format

so unclear atm, can't usually re-do tournament games

[sleek root]

We'll see, i guess when its release

[crystal flicker]

*We're not sure if they'll release CA soon

[umbral crown]

sometimes

[raven plover]

news today?

[umbral crown]

Imagine

[umbral belfry]

Yes news about delay

[umbral crown]

The news: no CA but Stellar blade collab

[raven plover]

[umbral crown]

[crystal flicker]

Back 2 Back collab

[umbral crown]

No fear to successs

[quick lake]

ReZero collab after this?

[eager mountain]

[tropic summit]

ah yes, the emilia rerun

soon right?

[tropic summit]

post your 3 teams so we can see if upgrade in place or remake

[eager mountain]

should i give win11 another try by resetting or install win10 instead
or go linux

[tropic summit]

done, your next shuffle will bring 6 whales

[tropic summit]

win10 out of support this year, rather go linux or win11

[eager mountain]

no way win10 out of support when they have win11 this piece of crap not fixed...

[tropic summit]

ikr... yet they're still pushing for that

[eager mountain]

win12 cope!

wait til its worse then win11

[crystal flicker]

just use w10 if it's still usable

out of support just mean they wont update it anymore

I got multiple bugs with win11

[eager mountain]

well just security concerns and, win10 not npu compatible from what i know

[crystal flicker]

Isn't that for newer procie

[eager mountain]

mine is

[crystal flicker]

and cloud just better for AI deez

[eager mountain]

[cunning steppe]

Used to be pepper but put Helm

[tropic summit]

why so many p1 moran p3 s.anis with more SG feed, who's the one spreading this heavy feed madness

and another cindy p1

daily reminder of cindy p1:

[eager mountain]

"chat my p1 cindy team mystically losing every match, how"

[cunning steppe]

I’m just copying my opponent strat lol

[quick lake]

2 SGs in 1 team? in this pvp economy??

[tropic summit]

"oh you know, just gives enemy 1.75x extra burst gen"

[tropic summit]

copying trash means you get trash tho

[quick lake]

Means if u have good teams, u opponent will just copy

[tropic summit]

if that bracket "good" teams are those, i've heavy concerns

maybe scarlet just doesn't exist there

a magical la-la land

[cunning steppe]

I’m in global my PvP is pretty chill

THelm introduction is what lower my spot but still get the same gems

[eager mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-kazoeru-kax-konosuba-megumin-gif-12499075982538045897

[tropic summit]

noise centi cind helmT rumani
scarlet blanc rh xmaiden jackal
noah biscuit rapu s.anis emilia

s.anis must be lvl 9 burst, no ammo OL, resil cube
xmaiden and emilia are interchangable based on CP needs, ensure scarlet is 1st or 2nd highest atk% (OL included)

[sleek root]

Cindy in P2 is still fine, right? P1 is a no no

[tropic summit]

p2 is doable as long as you don't expect enemy running emilia

[eager mountain]

even p3 has issues

[tropic summit]

should consider cindy in p3 minimun, best p4 or p5

[cunning steppe]

Rumani the only PvP meta Nikke I’m missing… and TLaplace

[tropic summit]

oke then lemme change that up

[tropic summit]

get la+ to remove some of that SG feed leftover (bsoda) and rumani to remove naga

[meager linden]

Hi, guys! How to beat this team? I see someone ask that question lately, but dont find the answer.

[tropic summit]

jackal AND biscuit AND helm AND noah in same team is a team you'd skip on SP arena

is that supposed to be rookie?

[meager linden]

Yes, thats rookie)

[eager mountain]

biscuit b2

[tropic summit]

so noah just there for emotional support and taunting

hmm might wanna s.anis that

gonna hit elem. weak linked

2RL emi might hurt too

maybe this:

should outdps post nuke, will likely kill link then gonna need to finish off whatever is left

[eager mountain]

or sacc

[meager linden]

Ok thanks. But if i havent THelm yet?

[tropic summit]

can run a weaker version:

[sleek root]

Yea haha, i can't

[eager mountain]

b2 bis would be for sanis only

that team becomes 4rl with sacc i think

[swift mango]

3rl slowest, helmT is stronk

[glad meteor]

bait

[umbral crown]

si

[umbral crown]

emi gacha skin, i really would

[umbral crown]

it worked for me for a long while

[umbral crown]

amd speed

[tropic summit]

won scarlet mirror for the lulz against whale, can't win other 2 teams cuz cp cut off

2 more months to go i guess

[hollow lagoon]

that team has no real damage boost, just catch cinder burst with noah and out sustain it during full burst and win

[raven plover]

cant you like mirror but use noah burst instead

[quick lake]

When shielded/invuln, no life steal from helm

[eager mountain]

Thought of that cuz 2rl Rosa can snipe helm before she get her 3rd shot, so 40% gen from helm, then it would be 3rl at best for them with feed, and possibly 4rl
Tho jackel is p1 can’t stop feeding her so still 3rl, rip

[hollow lagoon]

lol i just realized its a biscuit burst kek

[quick lake]

2RL Helm + Noah should work

[hollow lagoon]

people in my bracket aint really using scarlet much these days

they havent caught on the feeding thing yet

[dire root]

I wonder if the damage boost is applied to the burst skill damage.

[valid fern]

[quick lake]

Idts for MaidPriv

[dire root]

Idts?

[quick lake]

I dont think so

[dire root]

Damn that is a pretty nice burst II. Too bad it's gen must be terrible.

[quick lake]

#pvp-arena message

[fresh vapor]

GUYS I CANT BELIEVE IT WTF???

My first win in the game ever

[raven plover]

#pvp-arena message

[quick lake]

U’ll win more as u progress more

[umbral crown]

waos, means you need more SR15

[dire root]

I think diamond is the default league for players not falling behind in progression of their bracket.

[quick lake]

She’s here!!

[dire root]

My alt is burning every gem in a attempt to pull mari lol

I really hope she is mid as hell

D tier nikke so I don't have to feel bad about being broke on gems

[quick lake]

xanne rerun news gonna hit next

[graceful grotto]

[dire root]

[graceful grotto]

Seems doable

[dire root]

What is the logic for leveling alice that far past everyone else?

All your other PVP units would suffer

[graceful grotto]

She broke wall early?

Seems like that's the case

[dire root]

Oh wait she may not be past wall

[raven plover]

[graceful grotto]

Bully

[vapid lake]

pls no xanne rerun

i don't want anybody in my bracket to have xanne

[umbral crown]

yes , give us x.anne rerun

[vapid lake]

i don't have resources to build xanne

[dire root]

Combat power crush? How much deficit do I need to crush them?

[umbral crown]

wait a year then build her

10-10-10

[dire root]

round 2 is easy so win round 3 and it's over

[vapid lake]

that's not happening shiftup is releasing 10/10/10 units every month now

[umbral crown]

[vapid lake]

"wait a year" means xanne will never get built she'll just sit in the trash bin forever

[graceful grotto]

Indeed lol, 10 10 10 is the norm now

[vapid lake]

april pilgrim is gonna be another 10/10/10 100%

[graceful grotto]

I haven't even OL centi and rumani yet

[quick lake]

Summer units 10/10/10 and stellar blade too

[vapid lake]

Collab maybe not im genuinely surprised eva 2.0 units are not 10/10/10

[quick lake]

chatgpt said that 2.5 Anniv banner is Anis Overspec and Siren

[graceful grotto]

10 5 6 for my Asuka. Wille and I'm done lol

[vapid lake]

Asuka only s1 have huge impact on dps, rei is s1 and burst

[graceful grotto]

Haven't max out reiTA though

[vapid lake]

and rei's burst is more on pvp

asuka legit can just be 10/4/4 and it's done

rei maybe 7/4/7 or 4/7/10 if you pvp

[dire root]

Rip I wish I had a healer like that

this account is bricked anyways

no really meta pilgrims on it.

I suppose that can change with the pilgrim mold.

Yeah pilgrim mold is bound to pull a R unit.

[quick lake]

Dont expect anything from mold

[vapid lake]

i got rapi from mold

[quick lake]

Meanwhile my Doro core5

[vapid lake]

see, i got rapi from mold

[dire root]

Man I'm sick of co op, it's the most repetitive thing in this game, they should add a quick battle function to it.

no motivation to do well in it because the reward is the same, the same boss everytime. where is the fun in that?

[dire root]

All she needs is some hair dye and you got rapi red hood.

[quick lake]

Well, rather boring than monthly sweaty co-op worried about the coop revamp

[vapid lake]

surely they won't fk it up like union raid hard mode

[quick lake]

Back in cbt, coop rewards locked behind more dmg

Hope that doesnt happen

[dire root]

Babe wake up, it's time to fight the same boss 3 times a day so you can buy some gifts and resource boxes.

maybe I think this is worse then it is because I do it on 3 accounts

Is there a PvP tier list of burst III nukes?

not sure which nukes are the strongest, like you got maiden, maidpriv, rei T, noir, soda bunny.

I assume Cindy would be at the top of the list

[vapid lake]

yes

she's basically shittier version of fire rei

[dire root]

My brain is probably too smooth to understand this chart.

[quick lake]

Left column is raw nuke dmg, middle is single buffed, right is all applicable buffs

[dire root]

Rei 1 has more raw damage then scarlet? lol

[swift mango]

Meanwhile my doro doesn't exist.

[umbral crown]

[swift mango]

Keep it until the end of the season and you would be snipped to d10.

[vapid lake]

i mean it's an idle game afterall, most people strive to play as little pvp as possible and don't bother checking 24/7

[swift mango]

Maybe you could try this early next season. People become lazier at the end of the season.

Your bracket looks pretty lazy so probably only more attack on last day. Or early days of a season.

[vapid lake]

in fact constantly checking pvp is mentally ill behavior to me

[quick lake]

[umbral crown]

once your bracket is ded you recover from that

[swift mango]

Speak like someone who never be in competitive bracket once.

[umbral crown]

i can confirm that

[vapid lake]

my point is it's not worth losing sleep or think about pvp 24/7 over like what, 300 gems

[quartz prawn]

exposed

[vapid lake]

normal people aren't like that

they have more things to do and other games to play

[umbral crown]

[vapid lake]

surely nikke pvp cannot be the only one thing you spend your free time on

[jagged sedge]

@quick lake what is thay chart?

[vapid lake]

right

[swift mango]

Well, I mean you remove everyone at begin of next season.

There should be more people looking at arena at least once on that day.

[quick lake]

Ranking of B3 units nuke dmg

[jagged sedge]

@quick lake oh nice. Im saving that.

Thats nuts I had no idea Rei was 2nd

Cindi works well with biscuit. She make her invulrable for 10 seconds.

[swift mango]

So does B.Soda affected by Full burst bonus or not?

Gonna be testing this my self then

[unique mountain]

[vapid lake]

here's my prediction for when they reveal trina's kit
if trina is pvp meta unit, CA is coming for real
if she's a skip, CA delayed

[swift mango]

New meta CDR

No one put such useless pve kits on a CDR.

[glad meteor]

Need s1 7

I think

[swift mango]

Why s1lv7 affecting her burst timing?

[glad meteor]

The coins/chip mechanic

She starts at more of them, i forgot. But i remember s1 breakpoint

Oh full burst bonus. Not full burst effects. Don’t mind me

[jagged sedge]

@vapid lake we really need a break from meta characters. It would makes sense to release a meta pvp with champ arena though. Probably at the end of the month

[quick lake]

cant rmb. idk

From Keripo’s calc, doesnt benefit from FB bonus #pvp-arena message

[swift mango]

I remember Keripo and Merry told me B.Soda worked with fbb

[quick lake]

honestly idk

I vaguely rmb something. But idk if Im misremembering

I just know that Ein and BSoda was special

[vapid lake]

yea Bsoda multiplier is specially bad

[swift mango]

Worse than Privaty?

[swift mango]

I guess I would test it later today.

Don't have the time now. Maybe in a few hours.

[quick lake]

#pvp-arena message

[swift mango]

Yeah, that was when Keripo called merry out to confirm.

Testing can be done in 10 minutes so not that hard.

[quick lake]

@swift mango could u also test if “when entering FB” buffs also buff BSoda?

Like THelm for example

[swift mango]

That's what I was gonna test.

[raven plover]

https://tenor.com/view/he-knows-too-much-commander-agent-elvis-he-knows-everything-he-is-overly-knowledgeable-gif-17100119451379156693

[umbral crown]

[jagged sedge]

This guy is litterally checking pvp every 5 mins. What the hell?

I got all my hits in. Going to bar

[onyx scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/joker-batman-it's-not-about-money-it's-about-sending-a-message-sigma-meme-gif-12727666447538056487

[onyx scaffold]

i see one guy here

[covert lintel]

don't give up
keep harrass c2

[spiral onyx]

Cooking in progress...

[quick lake]

Eggcites for CA

[quick lake]

Oh wow, the updates are live on the sheet. Looking forward to ur commentary Keripo

[eager mountain]

[spiral onyx]

I'll backfill Mana, Helm+ and Rei2's analysis directly on the tier list, dont have time to do full writeups for them

its already been some time since they've been released anyway so people should already know what they do/how well they perform anyway

[dire root]

They broke wall. Now matching the deficit in the future will become difficult.

they also have cindy which is a auto win in one round

what a pain

[eager mountain]

helm+ is s+ tier imo for having her own level of burst gen + potential b3 usage lol

[dire root]

I should have rerolled for cindy and red hood when rerolling lol

not lucky enough

Actually I suppose I could

[eager mountain]

well just be faster then cindy team if u dont have noah

[dire root]

with enough brute force

[dire root]

I tried that, fastest Burst team I had wasn't fast enough, biscuit stalled the fight and their healer pilgrim long enough

[eager mountain]

[dire root]

bricked lol

[quick lake]

pre-200 sync is like this

[eager mountain]

ur top3 there anyway from the screenshot

just gotta break 160wall and hope pilgrims comes along, should focus on pve rn anyway

[dire root]

clearly just do what 1st place did and spend like 2k USD on rolls and gems to double the combat power of everyone in the bracket and get like 15 SR dolls.

[quick lake]

Cant be whales

[dire root]

They have 15 SR dolls

I mean what the hell is that

[quick lake]

How can u tell? SR15 are very limited even if u whale all the packages

[dire root]

They must have spammed dispatch refresh

[eager mountain]

15 sr or sr15

[dire root]

In pvp, I counted 12 I think on their teams.

[quick lake]

U can see whether ur opponent is wearing SR15?

[dire root]

The purple thing next to the nikke? I'm not sure if they were SR15 but they were SR dolls right?

[eager mountain]

its called reading steiner

[quick lake]

[dire root]

I kind of hate it won't let me look at their team

[eager mountain]

[dire root]

because I'm out of attempts

[quick lake]

Those purple things, are just dupes above 4 copies. core1,2,3… max core7

The guy indeed whaled for more pulls and dupes overall

[dire root]

They have, so so so many SSRs then, wow

[quick lake]

Yep. Whale things

[eager mountain]

thats diff from sr dolls

[dire root]

Ah 98 nikkes

[quick lake]

If u push campaign hard enough, u should still be able to compete somewhat

Early game is all about pushing campaign. All those extra coredust add up

[dire root]

lol everyone else had like 50

[eager mountain]

hes 160walled

[dire root]

I'm at whale, all is lost.

I do push hard campaign some

[quick lake]

what chapter was whale again

21? 22?

[eager mountain]

ur goal would be to unlock AI by beating ch22

[eager mountain]

ch21

[dire root]

it sucks because I thought there was a chance I would unlock that other interception mode soon before slamming into whale and wall at the same time.

[quick lake]

Whale is just an Alice dps check

[eager mountain]

ch22 is beatable while in 160 wall just that u want the right niks

[quick lake]

I’ve seen 160 walled at chapter 25+, but meta line up definitely

[dire root]

I did start building alice. She has 2 pieces of overloaded gear I do need to farm more skill mats to get her skill 1 and 3 up to 10.

[eager mountain]

just that ch22 is a hard milestone as a step to stop bricking rocks by unlocking AI

[quick lake]

Newer players have it tough

Lack rocks, lack gear, lack everything

@eager mountain now we only farming rocks all day everyday

[eager mountain]

and yapping here

[dire root]

Could red hood and crown blitz core with enough overloaded gear on red hood?

at 160

[quick lake]

Yeah, RH possible too.
B1 RH, Crown B3 RH

[shell hazel]

I used Red Hood instead of Alice, you can take both

[pale knoll]

Early game is substantially easier now tho 👀

[dire root]

Getting interception to drop the damn gear for red hood is a different matter

[quick lake]

That is very true. But i dont want to be farming both gear and rocks at the same time

I prob have enough T9M for another year

[pale knoll]

You'll have to at some point

[dire root]

Alice is plan B if red hood doesn't get the gear needed by the time alice is fully built

[eager mountain]

recently running out of some elysion t9m
yes elysion not tetra

[quick lake]

[shell hazel]

do you have a doll for her?

[dire root]

R doll, hoping to get a SR doll for her at some point, I'm not sure if it is better to go straight to SR or upgrade a R doll first and transfer the XP.

[quick lake]

Motherwhale is pretty tough. If u have really good skill and min-invest, can probably clear. I have skill issues

I struggled with blue cp

[eager mountain]

[quick lake]

[shell hazel]

some people seem to swear by SR dolls first but I think the logic is that R doll to R-15 should be cheaper on materials than trying to get SR-0 to SR-5

as you get a lot more blue materials than anything else

[eager mountain]

its cheaper as long as u didnt convert all r dolls

[spiral onyx]

PvP Damage Comparisons chart is now complete. See the second tab in the Tier List spreadsheet. Let me know if there are any issues or missed units worth adding in.
https://tinyurl.com/nikke-pvp-tierlist

[quick lake]

Does BSoda benefit from full burst bonus? I vaguely rmb her and Ein were special

Didn’t know Rei.T benefits from FB bonus as well

[shell hazel]

now hope you can get it back 😄

[spiral onyx]

I dont think so

[spiral onyx]

She doesn't. The Full Burst multiplier is for her continual damage

[quick lake]

Ahh okay, misread the formulas

[graceful grotto]

i wonder how viable is thelm as a b3 dps

[spiral onyx]

Yeah, all the calculations are manual, you have to check which multipliers they get applied

[graceful grotto]

i used her once and it was really nice

[spiral onyx]

Some of them are also kinda tricky, like what I did for Cinderella and 2B to factor in their HP -> ATK conversions

Scalter and SSakura's continual damage also isn't 100% accurate cause they change per hit

but its fine to give you a rough idea of the damage

[spiral onyx]

I guess you can run her in a stall team

Super sustain

[graceful grotto]

i ran her in a team vs this <-- enemy team on left and my team on right

[crystal flicker]

Quiry alt ye

[graceful grotto]

it was really nice

[spiral onyx]

yeah, you can use her as an assassin in that sense I guess

pretty valid attack strat

[quick lake]

Are u gonna downgrade Cindy’s tier after the recent nerf

[spiral onyx]

No, I wasn't even aware of the Noah thing lmao

I rated her based on the assumption that Noah would block her

the fact that Noah didnt block her would have been a bug in my mind

but imo its impractical to rate a unit based on minute timings when charge speed differences is a thing

[quick lake]

2RL Cindy gets half blocked by 3RL Noah

[spiral onyx]

like Rei.A1's nuke is slightly delayed. That does put her at a slight disadvantage over other AoE nukers, but if your fight boils down to having frame advantage, Id suggest you reconsider your attack strategy

Wanna pay me 2 weeks of time off work to build it? 😛

Someone else can build it, its not hard, just time consuming

Plus Id rather spend that time catching up on Throne & Liberty or even just catching up on reading Nikke story chapters

Im literally 2 full content patches behind in main story reading...

eh, maybe, but maybe not. Its not something that should be crowd-sourced imo. Its something that needs to be accurate and correctly done. Cant just throw a bunch of people in a room and expect a proper calculator to come out

The data input can be crowd sourced, but the calculator part needs to be properly planned out

Quick summary of how to build a frame-based calculator:

1. Input unit's rate of fire (apply charge speed buffs here)
2. Calculate unit's shots/s based on 60 FPS
3. Convert that to frames per shot for 30 FPS (rounded up)
4. Calculate the burst gen amount per shot (apply Quantum Cube here)
5. Create a step function that outputs the total burst gen based on the frame number
6. Do this for the 4 other selected units in the squad
7. Combine the 5 step functions and calculate the point in time when the total burst gen reaches 100%. This is your B1 start frame (when the Burst Chain starts).
8. Add in the animation time and effect delay times to determine your B1, B2 and B3 end frames (when the effect actually takes place)
9. Do the same for the enemy team to calculate when the 12 Burst events occur (start/end for B1/B2/B3 for the attacker/defender)
10. Generate a visual timeline so players can actually interpret the numbers

[crystal flicker]

yeah too much work

[spiral onyx]

Once you set it all up, you'll just need to plug in the raw numbers (which you may need to obtain through means that can't be shared here cough cough), but its the initial setup that's time consuming, even if you know exactly what to do

[quick lake]

If CA rewards are good, maybe the broader community might be incentivised to do it

[spiral onyx]

I doubt it. CA will only be accessible to a small subset of the community anyway

[crystal flicker]

Is this just PvP burst gen calc with B1 B2 B3 active time?

[graceful grotto]

have we been given a timeframe on when CA will come out?

[spiral onyx]

This is for building an accurate frame-based burst gen calculator

The current burst gen calculators are estimates using ~1s intervals that map to RL shots

But the game runs in frames, not seconds

A frame-based calculator would let you know exactly how much charge speed you need for your B2 to block the enemy B3, or exactly how much faster your "2.9RL" team is than their "3RL" team

[quick lake]

March. Community staff has no clue too

[spiral onyx]

March*

• = subject to getting pushed back for the 50th time

(remember, we are already currently in March right now)

[quick lake]

[swift mango]

No buff as far as this goes

@quick lake

So yeah, B.Soda bad, my bad for recommending her to others sometime.

You could see normal shots got upgraded to 58k with Privaty buff, not B.Soda burst dmg.

The dmg number sure is delayed though, long after FB window popped up

Ein is working just fine. Btw, her burst dmg number came up much earlier B.Soda. But she works when B.Soda not.

Both of them suck b,*** as wiper though.

[crystal flicker]

Seems like I need to see the burst gen formula to understand this
But I get the overall idea

If the data for current calc is estimate, then data gathering for frame-by-frame gonna be ass

[swift mango]

Well, Kosmiu came to this chat a while ago and said he counted the bullets. Not the second.

That's why we based it on RL, not secs.

When a RL hit he would looks at the ammo expense of other weapon. That's how it is.

[crystal flicker]

Can you give me example?
like for Jackal/clip RL, how they get 28.4 for 2RL?

[swift mango]

28.4 means 28.4% of 100% full burst. They counted it by eyes.

[lunar dirge]

Bsoda's nuke is buffed by her own atk buff in burst tho

[swift mango]

Yeah

[crystal flicker]

So the calc works with assumption 1RL = 1sec = other weapon bullets/s

incl shoot animation

[swift mango]

1RL is 1RL, it's about 1.2sec if anything. But we don't care about seconds in this game unless you wanted to slomo and watch the time frame like @cedar orbit

[crystal flicker]

I mean something like 1RL = 1RL bullet/s = Equal other weapon bullet/s