pvp-arena

[quasi prism]

Yeah!

It's not that big of a deal but I see how things would work if all the conditions are met

[tropic summit]

mhm

what other B3s do you've in case?

[quasi prism]

Also how did cindy get nerfed recently? does it only effect pvp?

[tropic summit]

just snapshotting got fixed, she no longer applies dmg when casted but when actually executed

before you'd cast at 2RL against a 2.5RL noah she'd take all dmg

now noah would only take partial dmg and shield the rest

(as intended)

[quasi prism]

https://i.gyazo.com/f0e45169ebd82e4c89ac63ec79b747b7.jpg

[sleek ginkgo]

What happended

[quasi prism]

Those are the only note worthy one's with either max doll's/ ol

[sleek ginkgo]

Need 2.5 RL ?

[tropic summit]

looks like you still have an option

as long as anis isn't bare minimun, then her ultra low HP could still steal indom

[tropic summit]

oh it's here let's see

oh yeah, he's doing what we talked about earlier

looks like he's running this

interesting setup, we gotta tweak your indom emi

[quasi prism]

yeah doesn't work 😛

[tropic summit]

@sleek ginkgo

helmT must've less atk% than emi and RH to work (or at the very least emi needs to be 2nd or 1st highest atk%, OL included)

[quasi prism]

It's all good for now, I'll work on centi later after I'm done with red hood

Thank you

[loud wraith]

3 teams def for SP, pls 🙏

[tropic summit]

@keen vapor all yours

[keen vapor]

Uuuuuuhhh why is Cocoa-chan as the first nikke?

[tropic summit]

epinel and cocoa on 1st row is the first time i see this

[loud wraith]

@loud wraith is my wife 😈

[tropic summit]

a real chad commitment

this man deserves the bestest cook in the finest kitchen @keen vapor

[keen vapor]

Why Red Hood is 3rd row

[loud wraith]

And Anne, Admi, Soline, Epinel xD

[tropic summit]

more than 1 waifu will kill your laifu

[loud wraith]

they can live with that 🥸

Leaving that aside 3 teams pls

[sleek ginkgo]

It works

Video coming

[tropic summit]

ah figured

@keen vapor not unbeatable afterall

although it got me the first try, it was a 2.5RL afterall

[sleek ginkgo]

Was ultrastall a new team ?

[tropic summit]

sort of, ppl are picking it up

i think we can safely assume there will be variations with nero involved aswell

it doubles down as anti jackal as it nukes linked units

(like your 3RL previous version)

as emilialess, i'm concerned tho 🤔

[tropic summit]

@quick lake anything else that would work if emilialess? are we cooked?

correction, we not cooked, we got rosanna

[shell hazel]

what's the significance of laplace tr here?

[tropic summit]

iron unit (splash ele weak on elec code), non weak to nukers besides reiT

although a rosanna + scarlet on 2RL might still be enough

oh and it doubles down to reach 2.5RL

[shell hazel]

centi there instead of laplace reaches 2RL as well?

[tropic summit]

well that would make the team actually weaker, rosanna B1 is cast before helm gets to B3 and even before noah gets to B2

say bye bye to your chain

[tropic summit]

look what happens to water code units against rosanna

[shell hazel]

how does laplace instead of centi prevent that though? same team comp otherwise

[tropic summit]

laplace can survive and let you burst

albeit losing helmT in that team would tank the heals

so rosanna is a pretty hard counter there

main function of laplace there is being offburst splasher iron code and allowing you to hit 2.5RL

[shell hazel]

I doubt I can build her, not for a long time

[tropic summit]

as above, works as a backup B3 in case helm is focused

still an interesting team

[shell hazel]

still no one in my brackets really using expert level comps yet

[tropic summit]

doubt they will soon, you're early synch lvl still

[shell hazel]

doubt anyone else bothered with laplace treasure either 😄

[tropic summit]

i'm barely reaching the point where i can start messing with rosanna

[shell hazel]

I do want to build a stall comp though looks fun

[tropic summit]

eh those are huge investiment oriented tho

SR15 for dmg reduction, max skills, 4OL, ideally some core

very late game imo

building them early would just brick you

[shell hazel]

I suppose, though still not that many invested in pvp much here, it's a long term goal I guess

plus we may get some new units to make it work

even betterer

2 more days for helm treasure phase 3

still stuck on 10/4/4 for now though

[keen vapor]

My Emilia always gets 2 defenders with immune

[keen vapor]

Rapi/Blanc/Cocoa/Centi/jackal

Noah/Biscuit/Summer Anis/Maxwell/Rumani

Liter/Anchor/RH/Helm/Ice Maiden

Now allow me to....

[oak rivet]

Need team

[keen vapor]

Emilia nuke?

[tropic summit]

wow people really liking running that lately, can run 2RL indom SBS or indom emi

conditions:

-SBS or Emi need to be 1st or 2nd highest atk% in the team, SBS or Emi need to have lowest HP compared to their other linked units (RH and Helm), you can enforce this by giving Vigor to the other linked nikke (no quantum needed as it's a natural 2RL)

[oak rivet]

My helm isn't well built tbf

[keen vapor]

2 RL SBS is tempting

[tropic summit]

if helmT is s1 lvl 10 and stage 2 treasure it's good enough

[tropic summit]

has always been, god sbs is also a very tempting team

[keen vapor]

Good

[oak rivet]

So what Cindy or Sbs

[tropic summit]

yeah that's not quite close enough

[keen vapor]

You know that I can't do that comp effectively cuz of my CS

[oak rivet]

what about now ?

[keen vapor]

Enough

[tropic summit]

you good to go

[tropic summit]

🧱

[keen vapor]

GIVE ME YOUR LINES

[oak rivet]

Which one between Cindy or Sbs

[tropic summit]

i'll give you thoughts and prayers

[keen vapor]

SBS

[pale knoll]

Sbs ftw

[oak rivet]

Any cube reco

[tropic summit]

quantum won't hurt (jackal centi), resil/bastion on SBS

noah temperance

blanc vigor

[oak rivet]

Why noah now ?

[tropic summit]

if you running her for other teams, if it's rookie you're good to go

[oak rivet]

Aight

Nah, my vigor is level 5

it's not even close to what my Resi gives

[tropic summit]

oh

mine is also on lvl 5 for reference, in that vid aswell

and helmT was running it to ensure she's higher hp than SBS

SBS is on lvl 7 bastion

[oak rivet]

Alright bro we ain't cooking

[keen vapor]

We told you to Vigor :deadge:

[tropic summit]

treasure stage 2 on helm right?

[keen vapor]

Yes

[tropic summit]

oh helm got indom i see

reading issue

[oak rivet]

why

[keen vapor]

BC HELM GOT INDOM

[tropic summit]

lowest HP in the linked group (SBS helm jackal) gets indom

if helm is lowest HP, she'll get it, like in ur case

can enforce she doesn't by giving her vigor

[oak rivet]

[tropic summit]

helm got indom again

[oak rivet]

Oh

Ah yes, Helm is indeed the least HP

[pale knoll]

[tropic summit]

[pale knoll]

Bro told you before anything

[oak rivet]

How i'm fixing that

[pale knoll]

Vigor on other linked to ensure lowest hp on sbs

[tropic summit]

it's fine, i think it's a good lesson if anything, nothing beats learning from mistakes

[oak rivet]

Which means ? In easier terms

I'm about to copy his team and just CP skill issue him you know

[pale knoll]

Both helm and rh will have higher hp than sbs, so sbs will get indom

[pale knoll]

How much hp% does it give again?

[oak rivet]

7%

[pale knoll]

Yeah, helm should have higher hp now

[oak rivet]

[pale knoll]

[oak rivet]

Anyway, Thanks

[thin perch]

Could someone help me update my SP defense teams?

It’s been a while since I’ve made my teams and Im still trying to figure out how to incorporate new meta units like Cinderella

[keen vapor]

What's previous def

[thin perch]

One sec

[keen vapor]

I'm going to guess that Helm has no treasure but Laplace does

[thin perch]

Yeah

[shell hazel]

it's worth investing to get helm treasure if you care about pvp as it gives you the best burst gen unit in the game

[thin perch]

Emilia and SAnis are built

Bro I’m on a shortage of bond materials

[raven plover]

max core sanis

[shell hazel]

treasure phase 2 + 10/4/4 skills is what she needs

[keen vapor]

So close @tropic summit

[shell hazel]

yeah just a goal to look for, if you can, she will be meta for pvp for a while I think

[wanton island]

helm is meta pvp?

[shell hazel]

yeah highest burst gen with treasure

it's high investment as well to get her with the treasure though

[wanton island]

treasure? you mean her outfit?

ive been focusing on getting asuka and rei

[thin perch]

I just realized my Sanis is max core but I didn’t build her OL lines 💀

[wanton island]

whats this treasure you speak of?

[thin perch]

This is my current defense

[shell hazel]

no max ammo on s.anis wanted apparently, it bricks her

[thin perch]

Yeah I know that

[wanton island]

what is helm's treasure?

[raven plover]

https://www.prydwen.gg/nikke/guides/collection-intro/

[shell hazel]

was just about to post that 😄

if you're asking you're probably too new to go off and focus on helm treasure for now, but consider it a good goal to aim for when you can

[wanton island]

where do i whale it?

[shell hazel]

needs some setup, dupes, bond 30, bunch of treasure items, and sr-15 doll

[keen vapor]

[shell hazel]

[wanton island]

damn. mine is core 1

i just ignored her for pilgrims

actually... i dont have any treasure items

must be a lot further ahead

im only 238

[shell hazel]

nah I'm only 247

I just focused on it since start of Jan or so

[wanton island]

how are you focusing on treasure items?

its not like there is a treasure hunt icon

[shell hazel]

daily dispatch for 3 of the right ones for helm each day (you need 160 total)

I was doing bond levels on her since then as well, so each day + some bond tickets

I used materials from the solo raids (think we had 2 in this time since I started it)

[wanton island]

the useless item boxes?

[shell hazel]

you can change it to helms item it's 3 per day

you only need LB2 so 2 * - you can get spare bodies with silver mileage from the store

[wanton island]

i have no idea this aspect of the game

[shell hazel]

it's not easy still SR-15 alone is the hardest part really

I only have 3 units I had SR-15 on so far, Cindy, RH, and Helm

[wanton island]

im trying to figure out what youre talling about still

thats my neglected helm

[shell hazel]

go read near the end of the article you were linked to here #pvp-arena message

fav items are the treasures

[wanton island]

thanks

[shell hazel]

ah you have core 1 is more than enough copies then

[wanton island]

ok so you need to give it an sr doll and bond to 30?

[shell hazel]

sr-15 doll, all the way to the max

[wanton island]

then it unlocks?

[shell hazel]

then you can do the fav item upgrade at bond 30

[wanton island]

wow... what an investment

[shell hazel]

0 items for phase 1 needed
50 for phase 2
110 for phase 3
160 in total

[wanton island]

helm is worth?

[shell hazel]

oh yeah it's not small at all but it's a pvp meta unit and also good in general (fav item means she is usable elsewhere)

[wanton island]

here i was focusing on cindy...

[shell hazel]

I think so or I wouldn't have done it, but she isn't going to help you push campaign

[wanton island]

i only care about pvp anyway

[shell hazel]

not really, she can replace Naga in some stages and anomaly intercepts

[wanton island]

campaign is fine with the usual

fml... guess ill work on helm then

[shell hazel]

yeah get her bond thing daily

add some spare bond tickets to her when you can

farm her items etc

best to upgrade from blue r-doll to r-15 => sr-5 upgrade

[umbral crown]

just 1 treasured unit?
the brick gets more real than before @tropic summit

[wanton island]

i can give her a blue r doll but i wonder if its better to wait for a purple

[umbral crown]

[wanton island]

solo raid gives lots of dolls

[shell hazel]

blue doll and upgrade is cheaper

[wanton island]

blue doll it is

[shell hazel]

if you go straight to sr-0 it takes more materials to get to sr-5, which is what you get to if you max blue doll (with blue materials only)

so blue doll and only use blue materials, once r-15 swap it and you're sr-5

[wanton island]

thanks for looking out by guy!

now i gotta bond this ho muffin

ho muffin engaged

ahaha

[shell hazel]

I may have the same skin

btw don't upgrade this gear, get her some proper gear

that +5 normal gear can be sent in as XP onto the right elysion attacker stuff

should only ever upgrade t9m equipment normal stuff is just fodder

[wanton island]

yeah. it was a newbie hand-me-down

im still sporting stuff i upgraded when i didnt know about corporate specific gear

[shell hazel]

I only have 2/4 OL so far, need materials :S

had to OL other stuff first

[wanton island]

i spent most my time with my carry

[shell hazel]

my RH is all +4 I just had to halt that to get other gear to basics 😄

that +4 to +5 jump is expensive

[wanton island]

yeah. its pricey AF but i dont have to do it again

[shell hazel]

no I'll do it for my core units eventually

[wanton island]

alright. so whats a good team for helm in pvp?

[shell hazel]

once I got things mostly where I want them I'm going to +2 them all

she's flexible works on any team as a battery for the burst gen

[wanton island]

lets say i get her item and do all this nonsense... the ideal team would be?

(helm)

[shell hazel]

flexible a bit like I said but if you had every unit you could run her in an ideal comp like what Railtracer posted here: #pvp-arena message

she should also work for scarlet/jackal comps but have to check she doesn't steal the link

like scarlet / blanc / redhood / helm / jackal

she has more burst gen than the clip RL's like centi, so she doesn't need to burst, she simply speeds up how fast you can burst

10/4/4 is what you want for pvp Helm, you can level up the others more for pve or cp pad pvp, I intend to use mine for both

[wanton island]

damn.. i started rolling again and got pilgrims. why do i feel so salty?

[wanton island]

yeah... i got it to 7

[umbral crown]

[wanton island]

little bit

one thing i notice about whaling on this game. if you take a break for a month and whale again, luck increases

but if you just keep throwing it money the luck noticeably decreases

[umbral crown]

imma do that

[wanton island]

i get that the bunny twins are strong but is there a way to counter it?

another team 3 loss...

[glad meteor]

Looks like liter dies pre burst. SG target p5

[wanton island]

tank should be p5?

[glad meteor]

Could do, people say cindy p5 can tank sg. But she can lose decoy there.

[sleek ginkgo]

Yeah, it does this to me too, Emilia team is inconsistent

[glad meteor]

Feels like your on deficit on team 2

[wanton island]

my team 2 never dies

[whole pawn]

@tropic summit I got noise

[glad meteor]

For this fight. Next time multiply your opponents power by 0.846. If your power is less than that thenn your on deficit

This means you get a severe stat penalty for hp and attack

[wanton island]

swapping liter to p1 fixed it

the 2nd one is a whale

[glad meteor]

Yeah. Probably on deficit

[wanton island]

Definitely whaling harder than me

i have a 40k deficit to that guy

[glad meteor]

Biscuit s2 gives defender tagged nikkes invincible for 5s when health goes below 50%. So you can place nikke like centi in p5 to block sg

[wanton island]

like this?

thanks for explaining the positioning btw. usually people just give me a lineup and dont explain the details

[whole pawn]

mmm is this gonna work?

[glad meteor]

Noah biscuit cindy liter centi

Want noah to burst

[wanton island]

i changed it.

[thin perch]

What are the best SP defense teams that include newer units like Cinderella and helm treasure, Rapi red hood, Ein, and rumani?

[quick lake]

Can reference these
#pvp-arena message

[umbral crown]

[coarse lake]

let's see if anyone shows up

[solid flare]

would this work? or is team 3 too garbage

[leaden canyon]

I run this but that's just because my Rosanna is built

and yes all those quantum cubes are needed to make it rl 3 lol

[solid flare]

maybe this instead?

[leaden canyon]

nah cindy team too vulnerable

somebody can just kill that with a full sg team

[quick lake]

Do u magically have 17% on everybody?

Best team should be 2x 2RL team + Stall team imo. Doesnt mean its perfect either

and no Cindy

[solid flare]

i rolled for this 17%s

[quick lake]

hard core pvp-er

[solid flare]

i don't have moran/nero stall teams

only rapunzel 17% 10/10/10

ill just post box 8 hours later. I slipped up.

[crystal flicker]

Moran Nero is kinda hard to use imo

[quick lake]

U can attempt some variation of this

[quick lake]

2x 2RL, and 2.5RL Blanc

[raven plover]

[solid flare]

haven't vested in rei2.0 yet

or mari

[unique mountain]

[dire root]

Is rapi red hood or red hood a better burst III in pvp?

[crystal flicker]

RH

Tbh, neither of them great B3 for PvP.
But RH B1 is very good to buff your Nuke

[tardy canopy]

"I upgrade just the level of my squad, but nothing else" starter pack
lv 240 / 275 but less combat power than me, c'mon

[sacred sphinx]

Please help how to counter rank 1 team? I have helm viper treasure

[whole pawn]

so when and where we usually use noise? either in attack or def ?

[dire root]

lol nothing moved

[final wedge]

guys? how u guys able to share deck like dat????????

like showing RL n stuff

[grand plaza]

https://nikke-deck.web.app/

[dire root]

It's sad, combat deficit stopped me from using the units I wanted to use.

[final wedge]

ah tyty

dem....i still using xcel calculator rofl

[swift mango]

RH could be used but she is often screwed by blanc or Biscuit.

RRH can used for Attack against what RH weak at, Biscuit. But outside of that not very good anywhere else.

[livid marsh]

What built for rosanna?

[swift mango]

I had a few +5 normal t9 gear early on as well for my campaign CP pad... Later on they all became exp ofc...

[onyx scaffold]

@quick lake Rei really good? Should I MLB?

[swift mango]

Time to dust off my Sakura.

[covert lintel]

u should

[swift mango]

The real question is, should I core+ her.

[onyx scaffold]

For you specifically, yes

Meh she is countered by scarlet. I shall pass

[onyx scaffold]

Meh she is countered by noah. I shall pass

[swift mango]

Who can't be counter by Noah?

[onyx scaffold]

sbs

[coarse lake]

noah actually the main character of pvp

[onyx scaffold]

Yes, so being countered by Noah is a no

[coarse lake]

the one unit that basically nullified noah, and not even in all situations? patched

honestly shocked they didn't "buff" emi by making her nuke only take 2 seconds to charge

[onyx scaffold]

If everyone is countered by Noah, I will MLB nobody

[swift mango]

She ded to Noah+Biscuit everytime.

If you had DEF cube upgrade, she ded to Anis+Biscuit as well.

[onyx scaffold]

She is countered by Biscuit, not noah.

[swift mango]

Noah alone can't really stop indom'ed ReiA or Scarlet.

Often Need 2 healer or biscuit or both to be safe.

[coarse lake]

still need to see reit followup dmg

see if it can break through god comp, or if it even does better than scar

honestly it could for most purely due to base ammo capacity + fast reload, but need to see numbers

my whale core 7'ed reit (ofc he did), hoping he uses her in pvp soon

[swift mango]

She only hit single target a nothing could break though Noah+Biscuit+B1 healer unless having advantage in CP, level

[coarse lake]

god comp doesn't use biscuit

[swift mango]

Or simple burst faster, 2rl slower.

[crystal flicker]

Seems like I need to settle for 2nd pos, since this guy choose to attack C1 instead of me

[swift mango]

Bruh that already lose to Scarlet indom'ed.

[coarse lake]

then you didn't do properly

[onyx scaffold]

scarlet indom'ed use biscuit?

[coarse lake]

I win against rh blanc buffed scarlet barely in cp range very consistently

[swift mango]

Maybe you just didn't buff Scarlet properly

[coarse lake]

god comp no longer means highest win rate against overall comps, to me it means winrate against indom scar

which.... is a win rate of 100% against indom scar, no matter the variation

and that was before I giga beefed up my noise, now I prob don't even need rapu against single buffer

[swift mango]

It just means the guy you fighted wasn't very stronk.

[coarse lake]

I only fight whales, cored out whales

it just means you didn't do your god comp properly

[crystal flicker]

Robinhood of Nikke pvp

[coarse lake]

every god comp I've coached to tune properly, has won 100% of the time

[swift mango]

Your barely 3rl won't even burst in time fighting my Scarlet+Blanc+RH+HelmT+Jackal, anyway.

[onyx scaffold]

i dont play pvp
i play a mind game

[swift mango]

[coarse lake]

scar blanc is guaranteed 2rl god comp

even with rosa no quantum or cs needed

literally the most underrated counter comp against the most common pvp archetype

[quick lake]

I think she’s good and here to stay. Im currently waiting out for last few days of banner to see if there’s any CA news/new banners before MLB-ing

[swift mango]

Yeah, your core whale apparently wasn't very Arena invested I guess.

Are you using

Noise+Noah+Rapu+SBS+HelmT now?

[onyx scaffold]

im hearing what i heard when 2B banner was here

[quick lake]

I know in my heart she’s good, but my gems are crying

[coarse lake]

why would I use helmt

I don't need gen

[quick lake]

But ReiT is bigger nuke than scar

[coarse lake]

been using it like a full year ago, 100% winrate btw

and in those days it actually needed to tank nukes from 2rl scar, until noah gen buff

[swift mango]

How else your SBS get to 2rl otherwise?

scar blanc is guaranteed 2rl god comp<

[coarse lake]

2 ars give a ton of feed

[onyx scaffold]

bigger nuke is meaningless if she cannot burst or get noah'ed

[coarse lake]

enough feed that even rosa unlink isn't fast enough

[swift mango]

Only 40 bullet.

[quick lake]

But that can be said for all nukes The main issue now is that Cindy fell off… alot. ReiT perfectly replaces Cindy imo

[coarse lake]

yes my god comp blocks snipes from 3rl scar blanc rosa cliprl jackal

[onyx scaffold]

we getting 1.5RL soon so AR in 2.5RL can go sleep -. -

[quick lake]

[swift mango]

Rosa is like the most useless against "god comp"... Like zero threat.

[crystal flicker]

K imma invest to Noise nw

[swift mango]

[coarse lake]

if you don't believe in the gospel, that's perfectly fine, the lesser known the setup is, the better it is for me

[quick lake]

2RL Rei is quite viable

[coarse lake]

reit dupe value will depend on her followup dmg

her nuke dmg is fine, maybe dupes for easier link? but eh

trash dmg in pve, already enough nuke dmg in pvp, wille dupes better if you had to pick

[swift mango]

What "god comp" you are using that could hit 2rl without HelmT? And use Jackal 40-50feeds?

[strong hull]

double nuke Scarlet +Mari

[quick lake]

Dupes for cp mostly

[swift mango]

[quick lake]

Shhh Mari is still a secret

Look at this Rei team

[strong hull]

[coarse lake]

oh right there's a lot of god comp variations

[quick lake]

U still have another 2-2.5RL scarJack team available

No more stupid Cindy

[final wedge]

hmmm i didnt think of dat Mari before....interestin

i forgot she dealt dmg to all

[coarse lake]

those are all dead btw, the only viable god comp is the one I use, the others are just trash old comps maybe the scar version has slight value... very very slight

[quick lake]

Credits to @lunar dirge for the Mari idea

4x atk Mari

[lunar dirge]

Mari agenda lives on

[strong hull]

Its worth actually

Im gonna steal his idea

[quick lake]

I pulled dupes on Mari for more Mari dmg

[coarse lake]

last raid having a mari strong enough to kill all mobs was actually pretty useful

[strong hull]

[coarse lake]

I still ain't building her OLs tho

[swift mango]

This 2rl with 50 feeds? I would glad to see some idiots putting this in def honestly.

[quick lake]

I freakking MLB-ing Eva charas, nog because I like the collab, but because they’re all pvp viable

meta slave

[lunar dirge]

7/5/8 Mari with 44% atk was perfectly enough

[final wedge]

ty....this shud open up my option

now my Mari wont be wasted

[coarse lake]

oh don't worry, won't happen bc everyone forgot about god comps other than those still using scar version bc they didn't keep up to date for over a year in pvp

[quick lake]

Yeah, more SR peeps should have Mari at x/x/10 eitherway

[coarse lake]

burst 10 hell no

[swift mango]

Rather than worry I hope I met that idiot. So I could just Emi his ass.

[quick lake]

[coarse lake]

grave is higher prio, and a lot don't even have grave burst 10

[swift mango]

And waste both his Noah+Jackal in one team.

[lunar dirge]

Man

I still need to build maids before investing into champ areba

[coarse lake]

I would like to correct you on something, but.... I don't convert non-believers

[quick lake]

Rosanna + Mari can kill top 2 attackers as well

dont even need B3

[coarse lake]

that's all I have to say, gl with your indom scars

[pale knoll]

What God comp you using 👀

[lunar dirge]

Sneaky

[valid fern]

c7 10/10/10 noise lvl 20 temp cube, c7 10/10/10 rapu with lvl 20 vigor cube

[swift mango]

I would try to use this good comp of you to give advice on beating ScarblancJack in the future, wish them luck.

But it still using Noah+2 healer like I said in the begin though.

Need to do another team with just Blanc+biscuit

[lunar dirge]

I used this one minus jackal and rapu to beat scarjack(used helm instead+rumani iirc)

[fallow nebula]

Anyonr know what a helm.t is?

[swift mango]

1 healer + Noah + No biscuit? Idk... Do your Rumani stealing taunt from Noah?

[quick lake]

Treasured Helm

[fallow nebula]

Oof

[coarse lake]

yeah they gotta pray their opponent scar is single buff for that specific team to win

[lunar dirge]

she doesn't, I just hope that Noah+noise are phat enough

[fallow nebula]

Draket is as good as helmt right

[coarse lake]

god comp potency can range from basically pray to pvp gods they don't invest into scar at all to: unless they got the most built double buffed scar they possibly can, you just wait for the win

[lunar dirge]

And this team is 2rl guaranteed, so it works only against scar blanc and no 2nd buffer

[swift mango]

Indom'ed Scarlet is triple buffed now with HelmT s2

[coarse lake]

prob requires god comp units to actually be built well now, rather than min invest that they've always been fine with

[lunar dirge]

I'll only invest when ca is out

no ca=no resources for pvp

[swift mango]

Yeah

[lunar dirge]

And I still have maids to build

[fallow nebula]

For centi, burst speed or charge apeed

[quick lake]

Not really. HelmT still best in pvp

[coarse lake]

2rl indom jack seem to be getting more popular, conventional noah biscuit counters already have trouble working

[quick lake]

cs% OLs are good

[swift mango]

How about 40 level above you with arena investment about as much as you?

[coarse lake]

still remember a time a god comp follower had to deal with high cs enemy double buff indom scar, conventional setups wouldn't work (noise noah biscuit too slow, noah biscuit still need healer), then in comes god comp to save the day

enough preaching, time to go to bed

[swift mango]

Just need to 17% CS on everyone.

[coarse lake]

imagine needing to invest past min invest to deal with single or double buff indom scar

[lunar dirge]

Depends on Scarlet's ammo

[swift mango]

I do often advice people to use SBS stall on attack against Scarlet ofc. But not too successful without biscuit.

[fallow nebula]

Its too late 😦

[lunar dirge]

I like SBS against blanc scar for a simple reason:it might mess up indom placement

[swift mango]

Like this

[coarse lake]

Tuning issue

[lunar dirge]

Exactly

[coarse lake]

I ran into issue with that the other day, sbs was causing my higher HP linked unit to indom

[swift mango]

Just need your linked units having lowest Def.

[coarse lake]

The cause is the aoe of the second combo hit, the dmg doesn't get distributed through link properly, trick is to position your lowest def in the right spot

[final wedge]

man....i thought i just need 2 char for 17% CS....this new calc changes everythin for me 😦

[swift mango]

I know, the pic wasn't even mine, I don't have Rapu .

Edit: I'm missing something apparently.

[lunar dirge]

Ppl can't check it on defence tho

[coarse lake]

I've seen misindoms happen, but I never go in expecting it

[swift mango]

Wut?

[lunar dirge]

misindom happened
got sweeped by xmaiden

[quick lake]

All optional. Invest at ur own comfort level

[swift mango]

Guess I'm missing something.

[final wedge]

i need it now...my defense has been in brute attack

[quick lake]

17% is less useful in spa nowadays cause of THelm as well. Easier to build 2RL attack teams

[coarse lake]

I avoid Blanc comps whenever possible for such reason, not always gonna go the way you want it (unless it's scar indom ofc, that's free)

2rl reit Indom could be huge issue too

Fast enough to nuke 3rl noah noise biscuits

[quick lake]

After THelm, I went from winning often to losing often

[final wedge]

dats the reason why i need more than 2 char RL 17%.....if i wanna enable SBS Biscuit Blanc 2.5 RL...i need Rumani....cant work with RH....

[coarse lake]

But prob loses to 2rl Noah biscuit

[final wedge]

i need that flexibility at this stage

[swift mango]

And 2.3RL Scarlet indom doesn't?

[coarse lake]

Oh it can, seen it happen

[final wedge]

im opting Emilia indom now .....too desperate

[coarse lake]

But reit does more dmg

Like to the point you should expect a full team nuke if you don't block it

[swift mango]

That's why I said your barely 3rl SBS won't do.

[lunar dirge]

how much more damage she does compared to scar btw?

[coarse lake]

Never had it slower than 2rl against indom scar, but you do you

[coarse lake]

Like 40-50 or something

1 Blanc/rh buffer worth, so actually bit less

[valid fern]

man all this hype about ReiT but she gets hard cheesed by Sakura. I guess she's good for offense but man does it suck investing into a unit who's only good for attacking.

[lunar dirge]

autoattacks slap just as hard?

[coarse lake]

No idea

Rough maths suggest yes, need test

[swift mango]

The problem is who would brick themselves to invest in Sakura.

Rossana is already hard Arena investment. Then we have Nero. Then we come to Sakura... And she want burst skill level 10 as well.

[lunar dirge]

looks like decent defence for me(can't test rn)

[swift mango]

Unless people start running SBS and ReiT as meta def+atk teams line up. I don't think I would see much invested Sakura around.

[valid fern]

I suppose so. If its true that you need sakura burst lvl 10 that is.

[swift mango]

At least not sth like Sakura burst lv5. Blanc s3 partly negate Sakura s3.

Sakura skill level 7 should be feasible enough.

[fallow nebula]

Hi help with team pls

[swift mango]

But you still need other Nikke effort to win.

[unique mountain]

[covert lintel]

i would if her burst gen get buffed

[fallow nebula]

Anyoen have tips

[swift mango]

Sakura treasure. Now with Burst gen of 2 HelmT just to destroy Wind further.

[whole pawn]

how does noise work? and which teams she works with/agaisnt

[solid flare]

im no cook, but the pins should help you out

[upper grove]

Noise is a support taunter so biscuit doesn't protect her. Max hp buff and heals which pair nicely with cindy, basically acts like a buffer for her. It's an okay defensive buff but less worth than dmg reduction like Moran afaik

Her gen is slower as she's no clip RL

[unreal latch]

can some1 ping me to the pvp def team sheet

i think rheax posted it days ago

oh this one nvm

[whole pawn]

so u can't give her the invulnerability? mmmm
but then she s used for HP buffs, so it's used with Cindy, my current Cindy team is still using centi biscuit
maybe noise isn't meant for high speed burst ig

[upper grove]

Correct, biscuit can't invuln her. You can still get a 2 RL cindy team with noise, thelm

[whole pawn]

mmm

not sure if I can use noise then rn, I don't even have thelm

maybe I should reorganize my teams, or gotta wait until I build her later

[upper grove]

Noise needs at least base ol and SR doll as she gets hit, I notice my lack of noise invest and she just dies

[covert lintel]

don't make her p1 if u are facing against laplace

[whole pawn]

mmmm I thought she s a good unit for pvp, didn't expect her to be that weak, and even worse is that u can use biscuit with her

[raven plover]

[harsh echo]

[swift mango]

Idk man, should I hit him one more time just so he wastes his 100 gems?

[pale knoll]

Yes

[swift mango]

At this point between hitting me and the CN whale Idk if his gem earning from Arena is plus or minus...

[unique mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/invincible-gif-22147048

[vapid lake]

pog steam communUty

[fading flicker]

SP arena team comp please

It's been a year since I changed it 😦

Big thank

[tropic summit]

[tropic summit]

@keen vapor playing hard mode within hard mode

[covert lintel]

high pride player same as my bracket
he waste 1chip today

[tropic summit]

won't help you yet, but it's a start

pray harder for noah, now that'd help immediately

[whole pawn]

mm so they don't play noise more often?

which unit she s usually pair with

[tropic summit]

no they do, but she's not gonna suddenly chance your outcomes

she's just a part of a stall team or buffer

your core of that stall team is noah

[whole pawn]

so in order to play noise, I need noah

well at least we have noise, a unit removed from the list

[tropic summit]

sort of, these are teams where you can use her

[whole pawn]

mmmm

it's either Noah or helmT

which I don't have both yet

[tropic summit]

well you can also go for the standard 3RL, which is weaker in speed but still delivers in strength

[whole pawn]

well helm needs more dupes and treasure

[tropic summit]

xmaiden can be any SG clip burst gen

noir / drake / bsoda / laplace+

the rest you should already have

[whole pawn]

mmmmm

I will think about this later, once I .... deal with my PvE problems

chal 7-10 is fine for me

[sleek ginkgo]

How Moran and noah both get immunity from biscuit ?

[swift mango]

Biscuit has 2 charge.

[sleek ginkgo]

Lol, didn't know that

[sleek ginkgo]

Why this time Moran died ?

[wicked horizon]

Damn, didn't know PvP was non-deterministic.

[cedar orbit]

I've never been scammed out of my 2 RL so hard

[quick lake]

U told me it was qunatum on Centi and xMaiden

[covert lintel]

i think it's because of crit your nikke dealt
it can cause immunity triggered if moran hp reached 50%

[quick lake]

HelmT doesnt benefit from quantum cube either

[cedar orbit]

you mean to tell me that the calc is trash?

someone at at Gatrix

[quick lake]

Are u using the old/outdated one

[cedar orbit]

probably, yeah, don't save it every week

[wicked horizon]

I think he meant that you don't get a lot from putting a quantum cube on HelmT. It's not that it doesn't do anything, it's that it doesn't increase the gains from the passive?

[quick lake]

Old calc miscalculates qunatum on HelmT, provides extra burst gen when it shouldnt

[sleek ginkgo]

I see, second time Moran didn't reach 50 % hp and got os by Emilia after

[quick lake]

Yep. Quantum doesnt boost Helm's S1

[cedar orbit]

does it boost xMaiden's S2?

[stray loom]

Just curious what the best pvp team possible is like what 5 characters is the best together

[quick lake]

#pvp-arena message

[wicked horizon]

It's a bit more like rock-paper-scissors.

[cedar orbit]

damn, have I been running around 3 RL Cindy as a def team all along?

[stray loom]

Hm

[quick lake]

Cant exactly rmb. I know for sure the basic attack gen is increased

I think xMaiden s2 is boosted. I think

[covert lintel]

there is no "the best" as every team has a counter

[cedar orbit]

sucks taking an L on an attack because of this

[stray loom]

Ohhh that’s good

[swift mango]

It's not the first time Gatrix sheet calculated it wrong.

Is your HelmT s1lv10? Phase 2?

Did all the bullet hit in that screen shot or one frame later?

Cindy could be flicker and miss too.

[cedar orbit]

I clearly needed Noise's 3rd shot to connect to get enough energy, she has 11% charge speed

[quick lake]

Hmm, that's weird

[swift mango]

So is your Noise s1 lv10 and phase 2+? Maybe Cindy misses her shot somehow....Anyway too close for comfort.

[cedar orbit]

yeah, I tested it with putting it back on Helm in rookie, it was 2RL

I guess I just randomly got 3RL in 1 fight?

[wicked horizon]

This happens

[quick lake]

Possible..

Might be Cindy's wonky attacks didnt hit

[swift mango]

Either that or you removed Quantum from HelmT to do a PvE fight and forgot.

[near plank]

who has a built reiTN?

does she need any buffers? or can she 1 shot with high enough investment?

[quick lake]

needs 1 buffer

[near plank]

is her burst instant?

[cedar orbit]

I always check my cubes when it matters

[near plank]

or theres an animation delay?

[quick lake]

instant

[near plank]

finaly a pve uniti can invest in

thanks for the answers but ill check myself cause im already building her

[wanton island]

i got my neglected and trash cindy up like you suggested

she was bottom of the barrel a week ago

[near plank]

i havent chatted in pvp arena cause my pvp was dead for a while

last time it was keripo and zick, whos the top pvp enjoyers here now?

[wanton island]

damn. you got tore up

[cedar orbit]

Same team, same cubes for reference

[quick lake]

Welcome back

[near plank]

[shell hazel]

[quick lake]

So it was the opponents?

[wanton island]

ive been leveling bastion and resilience cubes the most since nikke.gg suggests it so much

[shell hazel]

resi > bastion in general still, especially if you got crown in your main team

[near plank]

those are the best, for pvp quantum to 7 but i dont recommend it at all

[shell hazel]

I want quantum 8 (an extra quantum cube to assign out)

[quick lake]

Alot of pvp yappers nowdays. pvp gang is growing

[wanton island]

why quantum to 7?

[stray loom]

So what benefits does PvP give you item wise or ?

[shell hazel]

7 is better quantum cube a bit

[unique mountain]

Wait a second , if i put destruction cube on my ein , will that help in beating MC?

[quick lake]

4k-6k gems monthly

[shell hazel]

8 gives you 4 assignments instead of 3

[near plank]

a lot of pvp yappers

[wanton island]

should it be focused?

[stray loom]

Ah that’s low ? Like 2 multi summons ?

[shell hazel]

nah, I mainly focus Resilience but I guess a nice goal

[swift mango]

Yeah, maybe put quantum on XMaiden as well next time. Cindy shot could miss.

[shell hazel]

vigor / temperance / quantum for pvp

[quick lake]

maybe Helm hitting cindy's decoy doesnt generate burst..?

[wanton island]

i got too much crap to focus on now. rrh for campaign. cindy and helm. now different cubes

[quick lake]

Yeah, about 15-20 pulls

[shell hazel]

gems are gems though right?

[swift mango]

He entered burst thank to the 3rd hit from helmT, not noise.

[cedar orbit]

it would have been much more noticable

[quick lake]

Nah no worries. Just focus on ur campaign teams. Can worry about cubes later too. Focus on Resilience first

[shell hazel]

resi cube also helps pvp (more cp for your dps)

[near plank]

if you are a relatively new player, get pve units first cause SYNC matters most in pvp/pve
get a good pve team first then you can invest some in pvp

[cedar orbit]

also if Cindy was the one missing, I would have had enough energy before Noise's 3rd hit

[wanton island]

do i not level bastion and resilence the same? or just load up resilience to what level?

[wanton island]

ive been playing for a few months but i dont know the specifics of this game

[quick lake]

Resilience to 10/13 is good. Focus on ur core 2-3 core DPS. Can worry about pvp slightly later imo

[swift mango]

Cindy does 1 hit first RL, 3 hit per RL later. Supposed she missed 3 hits out of the first 6... You won't have enough Burst gen .

Your HelmT can actually hit faster thank to faster bullet speed. I saw her bullet line the same time you entering burst.

[wanton island]

i just got bastion to level 6. is there anything other than raiding points to buy batteries?

[shell hazel]

Bastion can trail it some, no worries

[near plank]

most questions can be easily answered by the vets hanging out in this discord,
tbh if you just push campaign faster than anyone else in your bracket you will be in a good spot,
even without spending anything.
team comps only matter if you are within 15% cp deficit otherwise its impossible
whats your pve team atm?

[wanton island]

i did the opposite. resilience trailing

[cedar orbit]

Bastion is better than Resi

top units run Bastion

[quick lake]

[shell hazel]

I think resi is better if you run crown in main campaign team

[quick lake]

Arguable, but both are good. Just get them both up

[shell hazel]

I got both bastion + resi to 7 before deciding on what to do next anyway 😄

[quick lake]

Can replace Scarlet with Cindy, and see how things goes

[wanton island]

cindy cant touch scarlet's damage

[near plank]

hmm depends on the stage, but scarlet losses a lot of value here,

do you have alice/cindy/sbs built?

[wanton island]

not yet anyway

[cedar orbit]

some people want to cope you into the thought that Cindy is bad in campaign

[near plank]

also its great that i see people push through RED CP,
keep pushing your outpost, those things legit set you apart

[shell hazel]

I main Cindy in campaign she's OK but she does struggle with some stages, no screen wide AOE etc

[wanton island]

i just started building cindy last week due to rheax's suggestion. sbs is neglected. alice is trash at damage

[swift mango]

Moral of the story, Gatrix calculate could be wrong a little. Use other calculator instead.

And exactly 100,xx% isn't safe for Cindy team. Try get 1-2% more at least.

[quick lake]

So it was cindy missing her shots problem? I wasnt following the convo

[near plank]

sbs neglected

[cedar orbit]

you are bad at getting to the right conclusion

[near plank]

i guess cindy is ok cause next few chapters for you are electric weak. but SBS is really important too cause shes top 1/2 dps in the game

[wanton island]

id rather build askukaW than sbs due to lack of stars

[quick lake]

For campaign pushing, can head over to #team-building chefs there can help u out too

[swift mango]

Well, 2 team and 2 result. Only random factor is Cindy shoots missing that we all know happens from other testing.. you said 2 teams the same.

If you don't want that then good luck.

Gatrix failed me once on Grave. I test and Kosmiu version actually gave the right Burst gen for Grave. That's why I said, it's not the first time Gatrix being wrong.

[wanton island]

yeah. they made me replace liter with rrh

[shell hazel]

I hit chapter 33 and you need SBS

up until then I didn't need her, but chapter 33 onwards, the volleyballs are a'comin

[quick lake]

u need sbs for rocks too

[shell hazel]

also true

[near plank]

asukaW and reiTN is there to help new players

[shell hazel]

don't think they can do the volleyballs

will just make em angry and then you die 😄

[tropic summit]

try this next, ensure you record so we see if you outsustain them:

Moran Rumani Biscuit SAnis HelmT

it's a very targetted counter

(s.anis on burst lvl 9 minimun, resil cube, no ammo OL)

[near plank]

anyone here who has PVE investment but doing good in pvp?

[cedar orbit]

literally all of us

I laugh at people who treasured their Laplace

[quick lake]

[near plank]

ill just post my box and let the new people cook

[shell hazel]

I'm spread thin but thanks to the magic of Railtracer I am holding chal 1 whilst investing in both pve and pvp 😄

[sleek ginkgo]

Will try next time when he hit me

[shell hazel]

bro in 2nd is level 258 though vs my 247

so he'll get a bump at 261, maybe they'll try to steal chal 1 then

[near plank]

laplace no treasure, i have viper and helm at p3

current d team

any cooks?

[quick lake]

cooking

What's ur Mari's burst skill lv?

[near plank]

10

[wanton island]

I actually replaced scarlet with cindy due to her always killing herself and she did pretty good against the boss

thats my main gripe with scarlet. she just murders herself

[quick lake]

Yes Cindy great at bossing

[wanton island]

so i need to not neglect sbs for capaign 30s?

[quick lake]

Can try this

[shell hazel]

chapter 33 for SBS requirement, and/or Kraken

ignoring her pvp side, she will be good there too

[wanton island]

should i focus sbs over rrh?

[shell hazel]

I haven't done, your ways off 33 yet

[wanton island]

i was going to focus rrh and rh over the others

[shell hazel]

you got time just bear in mind 33 eventually, unless they release another unit that can handle the volleyballs better than SBS

it takes like 2 months or so from doing chapter 21 until you can really entertain 33 anyway

[wanton island]

...ill miss my scarlet carry

damn scaling

[quick lake]

Its okay. Scarlet still great in pvp

[shell hazel]

actually more than 2 months I reckon lol

I did mother whale (chapter 21) back at start of December

I hit chapter 33 like a week or two ago

[near plank]

i have every unit built except rumani but ill try it thanks

[shell hazel]

and I've been fighting all this time at deficit, 30-35% or so... not everyone can so this speed is probably quicker than most

[near plank]

i have quantum 9 im just gonna slot it to the above average burst gen units

[quick lake]

Yep! That's fine

[near plank]

does thelm need b1 to 10?

[shell hazel]

s1 to 10

10/4/4 is fine for her unless you want pve use or just want cp/potential burst 3 in pvp

am probably going to 10's mine in the end but due to shortages it might be like 10/7/7 for a while 😄

[near plank]

mine is 7-7-7 i need her for chapter 36-37 hard

i need to finish asukaW and reiTN, as well as mast and anchor first

[shell hazel]

yeah I use mine in pve/raids, but s1 to 10 is needed to max her burst for pvp

[quick lake]

s1 lv7 is fine

[near plank]

[shell hazel]

I have the same units and the same issues here 😄

[near plank]

this cp deficit in impossible atm

[shell hazel]

[sleek ginkgo]

This team 3 RL for me, still good ?

[crystal flicker]

3RL is standard, should be ok if your enemies only 2.5 or higher

[bright mantle]

is defender p5 the safest spot?

[strong hull]

@tropic summit time to cook.

[copper goblet]

just got helm all the skills on her favorite item, not sure where to slot her in

Team 1: Drunk Scarlet/Blanc/RH/Rumani/Jackal
Team 2: Naga/Centi/Cindy/XMas Maiden/Noise
Team 3: Noah/Biscuit/Rapi/Summer Anis/Emilia

[primal lichen]

for an SAnis team, is Moran/Noah/SAnis/Biscuit/Emilia good?

[glad meteor]

It’s decent, double taunt, damage reduction, moran can survive emi nuke and outlast indom emi sometimes

[meager linden]

Hi guys! How can i beat this team? Scarlet have soooo much long invul...

[tulip quest]

WHEN C.A IT'S MARCH SU

[copper goblet]

asking has delayed it another week

[digital whale]

why

[tulip quest]

Biscuit's passive makes DISTRIBUTED DAMAGE DO 0 DAMAGE Because of invulnerability of not taking damage

[digital whale]

[pale knoll]

Can try noah biscuits noise cindy/sbs thelm

[onyx scaffold]

no replace for anis?

wow. 3 hit rate on rumani

[meager linden]

Thx that work well

[pale knoll]

Nice

[lime night]

would anyone have tips against this def?

[quick lake]

2RL Helm or xMaiden nuke
or 4RL Noah

Or 2.5RL Defender + Biscuit + Rosanna

[umbral crown]

Yeah we will never understand him

[glad meteor]

Xmaiden get’s wasted on blanc

4RL noah may need noise or moran. but maybe not at high sync

[umbral crown]

Si

[pale knoll]

Where from?

[covert lintel]

rosanna as always

[umbral crown]

From a world where just waifu exist

[umbral crown]

[pale knoll]

So you are a waifu too?

[umbral crown]

ies

[cedar orbit]

remember, everyone, the answer is always 2RL Cinderella

[pale knoll]

Just to get countered by 3rl noah

[cedar orbit]

if you get countered as a 2RL nuke vs 3RL Noah, that's a skill issue

[glad meteor]

2RL Cindy can’t beat noah noise sanis biscuit rapunzel consistently.

Or blanc indom, sequential hits aren’t synonomous with a nuke

[tropic summit]

what the hell happened here

[lunar pawn]

so rei applies her burst buff before damage in pvp as well right?

[quick lake]

Railtracer MA pings

[tropic summit]

can get inspiration from these aswell

#pvp-arena message

[tropic summit]

yes rei self buff applies to nuke dmg too

[tropic summit]

yes because moran will get invulnerability from biscuit, that team purpose is to essentially outstall their stall, because laplace needs to reload and helm is ele weak to s.anis in the first place

if reloading = no lifesteal

[sleek ginkgo]

Interesting

My Moran is ass tho, 4/4/4 no doll

[tropic summit]

naga centi cind bsoda pepper
ein blanc sbs noir jackal
noah biscuit alice liter anis

tell them to get helmT and rumani asap, once either are ready can remove anis on 3rd team

[tropic summit]

alternative if don't wanna run bricked moran:

you'll procc biscuit twice on noah + burst, that's a total of around 14-15s of invulnerability

by then the enemy will need to survive 10s of B1 + B3 RH

[sleek ginkgo]

Gonna try all, got gems to spare

[lime night]

thanks il lgive this a try

[tropic summit]

oh wow oki, record if you wanna for science

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/minions-shh-quiet-movie-movies-gif-11885588

me waiting for recording

[copper creek]

thats what i kook like wheb i waiting dor shots

[strong hull]

Good stuff.

[tropic summit]

@quick lake noise

4th piece for completition didn't even need CS%

is there an additional threshold on 21% CS ?

damn it unlocks this team

mother of sustain

[pale knoll]

[tropic summit]

guess i could replace rapu for natural 2RL

probably one of the safest anti nuke and high HP + sustain lineup

[upper grove]

Helm burst for nuking jackal links?

[tropic summit]

yes and no, gives lifesteal aswell so extra sustain

although it does double down as preventing jackal linked units against her, at least exposed in p1

you're also not wasting any clip RL on this, so you could still get decently fast teams elsewhere, jackal free

fascinating 🤔

[covert lintel]

meme team

[pale knoll]

With that team, the 17% cs noise is unnecessary tho since it will still be 2 rl either way

[tropic summit]

yes with laplace it is, but without it allows you to hit 2.5RL

[covert lintel]

i've tried this too and easily breached

[tropic summit]

you're then safe from default scar-blanc-rh-centi-jackal team

[pale knoll]

True

[tropic summit]

that's with moran though

p1 and p2 steal both biscuit stacks

leave noah alone without any other defender in those slots, she can get up to 15s invulnerability

at that point it would be matter of the enemy trying to run s.anis against you

now do that on a bracket without s.anis and emilia...

[upper grove]

Bracket w/o sanis and emilia? I could use that

[tropic summit]

the next alternative to deal with that would be a very invested rosanna, which i doubt you'd have at your sync around

that might be a real roadblock without those

since fastest realistic achievable speed is 2RL, any B3 will be eaten by noah

beware that the moment you use that, ppl will copy it in your bracket tho, use at your own risk

[crystal flicker]

Noah should be single P1 def, if you want you can use Noise for either P2 or P5 to add more sustain

Personally I tend to avoid stall/fast nuke, unless their formation is just stupid

[upper grove]

Yes that's the most compelling reason not to do it this early

I could do noise centi cindy thelm xmaid, that would also be 2 RL and I can counter that with Noah if they decide to copy that

[desert sphinx]

hi, would like some help to make SPA teams, can work on scarlet if needed so no need to take her out of the equation

[lunar pawn]

laplace and helm treasured? and helm s1 maxed?

[desert sphinx]

lapT p3 and helmT p2 yes

helm 7/7/7

with the reshuffling, a few whales got added in the top 10, need to redo defense

[sleek root]

i gave up on Defense. It's a lost cause There's always a way to counter if the guy know PvP mechanic comp building

[desert sphinx]

at least you have an edge over those who don't know

I don't mind top 10 or top 30, but needs to be sure not getting further

[sleek root]

Im tired rebuilding my def comp everytime the tryhard in my bracket figure out how to beat it.

[desert sphinx]

at my sync, not that many knows or tryhard on pvp (yet)

[sleek root]

If the guy want so much the xtra 300 gems different, take it. I'm just gonna chill on whichever Ch

[sleek root]

Got 1 in bracket, kept attacking me on ch2 instead of the ch1 (who is basicly same cp as me)
I can only facepalm and exhausted

[desert sphinx]

that guy got beef with you in particular

[sleek root]

Maybe in the future they gave us better Defensive type Nikke, then we can make a better sureproof defense

[sleek root]

No idea haha, he kept attacking me after the reshuffle, and ive never met the guy Haha

We need a 10sec team invulnerable like Noah-ish

[tropic summit]

well that's correct, equally skilled ppl on equal invest will just keep winning against each others, unless running specific comps that the other guy doesn't have the right counters of (rare)

[sleek root]

True that, Been thinking of building this stall comp, but not sure if it will work, afraid to waste resource...

[tropic summit]

that's actually one of the best stall teams minus mana

i wouldn't use mana but a backup B3, rosanna can still kill helm on 2RL (a well invested one will kill mana aswell)

although i've seen videos where mana still revives during death, so it might bug out and still work 🤔

[sleek root]

Yea.. alot of uncertainties haha.

[tropic summit]

biscuit also seems sometimes to apply her s2 when killed at the same time as the others WOULD be

but ye i don't think you'll waste resources, regardless nero moran helm and rapu have usage in other comps

the only one i can't personally recommend is just mana, but with CA approaching (hopefully), you can find a spot for her among the 5 teams

[sleek root]

I'll try building it after SR, and give it a test. 3/5 of the nikke are already invested

[pale knoll]

Your defense is your stalking skills to figure out their schedule and attack when they won't be able to

[tropic summit]

good luck doing that to ppl who check every 1-2hr

trust me, you'll get tired soon enough and settle with 300 gems less

[swift mango]

Only 100 gem

[tropic summit]

meanwhile this man spending gems daily for multiple rerolls of dispatch

[swift mango]

My gemer online 24/7. Only sleep around 5 hours a day.

[tropic summit]

seems pretty casual, 5 hours too much

[swift mango]

This is very lucky for just 100 gems.

[lone hill]

hi guys, Railtracer are you here?

[tropic summit]

what troubles thee?

[lone hill]

Im came here again seeking for you help

[tropic summit]

oke

[swift mango]

Want thou to open all thy boxes.

[lone hill]

in rockie arena today I woke up and saw this

[tropic summit]

it is already done tho, well almost

[tropic summit]

check their CP and your CP for starters, are they just CP padding you?

15,4% CP deficit and you'd generally lose

[lone hill]

I guess Im going to lose in anycase since I found one of the guys how defeat me ais BIGPIZZA and he is almost 700k while me 569K

[tropic summit]

yep, that's the issue

well you can safely ignore rookie arena for the most part, your main source of reward is SP arena instead

focus on climbing there instead

rookie just get rid of your 5 free attempts on opponent you can defeat

useful to test lineups, if you ever curious how your teams are doing

[dire root]

Should have used the credit card strat.

I think I would win this if Rei 2 had more investment to nuke

[tropic summit]

you're asking a lot from an early sync 4RL team without protection

[dire root]

Dude my burst charged like a solid 5 seconds before theirs. So their RL must be even worse

[tropic summit]

they are worse, but you're on deficit of 16,7%

[dire root]

Oh right deficit contiunes to screw me in all modes

[tropic summit]

that's automatic loss

[dire root]

I really need more overloaded gear to drop

[tropic summit]

[dire root]

to get my combat power up

actually on 2nd thought I wouldn't invest that much into PvP units

when my campaign team doesn't even have full overloaded gear yet

[tropic summit]

yes correct

killing your progression is meaningless, once you've maxed campaign team then you can bother with that

[dire root]

Alice is really funny

when she does the 20 second reload as her burst skill activates

[quick pivot]

I hath been knocked out of my SP Position and desire swift retaliation

Their teams and my roster (Helm and Laplace are both T3 Treasure)

[tropic summit]

laplace and helm treasured?

helm stage 2 s1 lvl 10?

[quick pivot]

Helm is T3 with S1 Lv 6 atm (still gathering books to raise her up)

[tropic summit]

ok won't use her yet then

[tropic summit]

arrange these, check CP (ensure you're not 15,4% deficit or worse) then can go

[quick pivot]

I have about a 6% lead on Team 1 and an 8% lead on Team 2

[tropic summit]

oh wow, free win then

go ahead

[quick pivot]

Eheheheh, ty, back where I want to be

Dayum that second team you made is NASTY, almost instant burst mode

[tropic summit]

T1 has got feed mechanics, albeit on the slower side as we gave centi and noah to T2

these are probably 2 of the best attack teams you can run with your current nikke

you could use s.anis instead of SBS as needed

[sleek root]

Am im missing something? Why is his Biscuit "Immune" and didn't die from my Drunk Scarlet Nuke? I tried a few times, same result

[tropic summit]

helmT meanwhile will make T2 even faster

[quick pivot]

My lack of Drunklet is making me very upset still :<

But yeah, imma start prioritizing helm s1

[tropic summit]

it's not the end of the world, if you pulled reiT she's as useful

scarlet only has the counter mechanic as extra, reiT has elem. advantage on rapunzel, RH and La+

[quick pivot]

I did get Rei 2.0, but she's not built yet

[tulip holly]

@tropic summit chilling in 4 pretty much , wasn't able to get 3 because I lost vs the guy (it's probably rng , since I didn't move my teams) , still getting 700 more gems kinda crazy lol

Maybe I should show you the guy teams and see if we can ensure the win

But he can win vs me too

[tropic summit]

go ahead

[tulip holly]

I think team 3 won always

[tropic summit]

biscuit gives immune to any defender unit that falls below 50%hp, those two conditions were met here

[sleek root]

I know that, but Biscuit is alive also.

[tropic summit]

unbuffed scarlet nuke hits for peanuts, makes sense she's still alive

[tropic summit]

so 2 teams won out of 3 correct?

[tulip holly]

Yes I won always until yesterday

[tropic summit]

yesterday you lost with 2 teams?

[tulip holly]

2 and 3 your teams

Yes 1 and 2

[tropic summit]

yeah you didn't tailor them to their defense

[tulip holly]

Yes Ik but I wasn't expecting going so far lmao

I just yolo attacked I wasn't expecting to win altho his cp is not much different

[tropic summit]

well that's the point, a strong defense generally counters half assed attempts

these are no dumb teams if anything

[tulip holly]

Yup

Pro gamer teams

[tropic summit]

remind me, you've helmT on treasure stage 2 s1 lvl 10?

[tulip holly]

Yessir

[feral thistle]

@tropic summit i got reiTN! wich team did you said i should change for her?

[tropic summit]

build her up to 4/4/7 first

R15 doll or SR5

[feral thistle]

here are her invesments

[tropic summit]

possibly 4 OL gear lvl 0

aim for atk%, elem atk and crit%

then she can be your scarlet

[tropic summit]

sooo, if quantum lvl 3 or 7 and you've emilia on lower atk% than scarlet, can run this:

(lower atk% calculates also OL lines)

else run this:

ensure you're not on CP deficit, no worse than 15,4%

i suggest taking a video of your fight, we can see if they're running some weird overload lines

[leaden canyon]

Need a new defense

Starting to get bullied

[tropic summit]

-any of your batteries/utilities on 17%CS? (centi, rumani, jackal, noah, noise, rapunzel)
-emi 21%CS?
-what is rosanna investiment?

[umbral belfry]

So quiet in my bracket yet again

[leaden canyon]

Emi is nearly 38% charge speed but not quite there yet, none of my other batteries are 17% and rosanna is built for 1 shot

[tropic summit]

you gonna grow old and rusty

[umbral belfry]

[leaden canyon]

Helm is 17% charge speed actually

if that matters at all

[tropic summit]

it does

[tropic summit]

hmm i've something you could try, one last question:

noise CS%?
noah CS%?

gotta fix the taunt priority as they'll run in same team

[leaden canyon]

Noah 5.80, noise 7.2

[tropic summit]

so noah taunt priority it is

[tropic summit]

let's go with this, i've another idea in case

scarlet xanne centi rosanna jackal
noah noise helmT rapu la+
blanc emi rh biscuit rumani

quantum on jackal, centi, rumani, helmT
vigor on noise, rapu, biscuit, blanc (if one more spare, xanne)
temperance on noah
any other nikke highest lvl available cube

[leaden canyon]

Alrighty I'll give it a try, thank you!